Let's just keep one bloody thing secret for a change please? Leica M cameras and M lenses were not that ridiculously expensive five years ago until You Tubers started to buy up all the decent examples of them on the 2nd hand market, and the price just kept going up and up and up. The same is true of film. Please, enjoy the camera but leave the bloody price out of it.
@@alhOOO2O Film is expensive becuase Kodak/Alaris has near monopoly over colour emulsions. Ilford is still cheaper for B&W , but even there each time that I check the prices to order some more film( approximately every month or so) the prices have gone up in the shops. The irony is that I live 15 minutes drive away from the Ilford factory in Moberley in the N.W of England yet, you can get the Ilford films 20% cheaper 5000 miles away in the good old US.
I feel you but at the same time we are consuming content about all these cameras and films just as we are doing it with this video... and that itself makes them more desirable and consequently more expensive... it´s the curse of social media.
Great video bud! It’s always crazy to read the comments! Just had to say thanks for your effort. Keep up the great work. Looking forward to the updates as they come.
I got an R8 two years ago and its my baby I love it, and yes the lens CAMS are an hassle and changing the battery is the one most irritating experiences of my life. But shooting with it is just a joy in of its self and just advancing the film makes me smile
I can't figure out how to take off the battery door, my goodness. The R8/R9 weight disparity is actually pretty significant. Might have to upgrade to the R9 soon
I recommend adding power winder to R8. Yes, the camera is huge already, but believe me, the winder will give you even better grip, not making the body that much bigger. Plus the convenience of not having to take your eye off the viewfinder.
1:36 That is technically not true. The lenses are different because they sit at different distances from the film plane. That makes them render different images by design. Yes, they're close. But the rangefinder lens will always have an advantage because its rear element sits MUCH closer to the film plane than the R mount lens.
@@whoschrischu correct, that‘s why you make clueless - false statement videos for the people to learn nothing relevant - but the poser to get the clicks.
I have an R800 without a split image focusing screen and it’s fine. The large viewfinder lets me see exactly when the focus is sharp without excessive fiddling. It’s like a large format camera.
These are definitely more than 400usd overhere, more like 800usd (body only). Still want to try one out, such a cool camera, doesn't seem to be overly large.
Interesting to see you use a Leica SLR. I somehow always shy away from that line up, but honestly don't know why. So very curious to see upcoming videos how you compliment your M6 with the R8 :) For me I combine the Leica MP with a Nikon FM2 and do love the 1/4000 shutter speed on the FM2 just for the simple fact of cutting light to shoot wide open, so I can relate what you mean. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you Chris! Thank you very much for your awesome videos in 2024 which inspires me to shoot more film and looking forward for 2025 :)
The main reason is lack of repair options. Also...if the electronics in the R8 die...you have a Leica paperweight. Course, this is a good reason to stick to the R6.2 since its a fully mechanical camera that in the right hands can be repaired. I just had my R7 get a full new shutter from DAG.....but it isn't cheap.
I find ignorance irritating and being ignorant because it's your "style" much more irritating. Shutter speeds reference a specific Time Period, the SECOND. When you say 1/8000 Shutter the actual definition of that ridiculous statement is 1 part of an shutter divided into 8000 pieces. So wake up and smell the coffee, it is 1/8000 second.
changing one word in a video just to trigger people to post educational comments as well as boost engagement. I’d say it’s a net positive, 🎉. Great video per usual Chris
In the 1970's, I used a Leica screw mount 105mm f/2.5 Nikkor lens on a Canon P, using the 100mm frame. I had no problem with that rather large lens on my I-can't-afford-a-Leica M3 outfit. I found the Canon P on eBay, complete with Selenium cell meter and brown leather case and 50mm f/1.8 Canon lens for less than a Leica M3 body. Aside from quickly changing lenses, it all worked out just fine.;) Leica R8? I preferred my semi-professional Nikon FM2, which took (sorta) affordable lenses and WASN'T an automatic exposure camera like the Nikon EL/FE series.
There is a little film rewind window on the back door to the right. You will see a zebra pattern move as you rewind the film - this is to show when the film is actually released from the ‘sprocket’ so you can stop rewinding if you want to leave the film leader out. Also if you use ROM lenses (the ones which are chipped) the interaction with a dedicated flash is crazy good - fill in is effortless as it balances back light w your subject. The 60mm macro is an insanely good lens and better for street photog than a 90 as it is more versatile.
0:29 "those frame lines (at, say, 75mm) are very tiny" No, of course it's not the frame lines that are 'tiny', they can be seen clearly. it's the in the viewfinder projected field of view that seems tiny, to be more precise.
I’ll admit after having a Leica for a couple years. It’s a blessing to shoot with these gorgeous machines. But it’s really just buying into the name and what the brand represents. While there are some things I wish my film M have like shutter speed past 1k or the viewfinder to be bigger for glass wearers. I’m fine with it and it fits the way I shoot.
Ii struggle with the rangefinder/slr question every time I travel and I have to choose which system to bring along. I love rangefinders and making images with my M6 has become an intuitive process. But I also often crave the range of lenses that I have for my Nikons. Different tools for different situations, but especially when flying and I have to limit my load, I usually have to leave one behind. I usually default to the M6, almost every bring a 90mm. BTW, nice homage to Bill Cunningham.
Primer vídeo tuyo que veo, me encanto y más al poder escucharlo en español. Espero que pongas el resto también con opción lengua española. Saludos desde España.
I've been a Nikon fanatic for ages and I also have Leica M for companions... but... I also have an R8 ;) This camera has an exceptional look, it's a UFO. I've never seen such a bright viewfinder, it's really exceptional! Its only flaw is that it's very big and relatively heavy. It's criticized for its lack of reliability, I can't say anything about it, my R8 works perfectly, I need to have it taken more often ;)
1/8000s shutter speed is nothing new. Nikon’s N8008 (F801) that came out in the mid 80’s had a 1/8000s shutter speed. Most prosumer models did after that. In 1999, Nikon released the D1 with a 1/16000s shutter speed.
@@suzukitaka4470 its because of videos like this. The only reason I liked it was because I love the number 8. I thought maybe I'll see one at 200 someday. Now they're $500. I'll pass. This thing is a brick without manual dials.
I am glad that I am not obsessed with the Leica logo and I can enjoy film with autofocus and VR/IS. The R mount by comparison is extremely limited. It doesn't even feature a 16-35mm f/2.8 or 24-70mm f/2.8. People are better off with a F6, F100, 1V and other film cameras from the same era with the R8/R9.
This is a bad take. angenieux make Leica r zoom at 2.8 and Leica even makes some at 2.5 & 3.5 aperture zoom lenses. Saying a specific focal range and aperture means nothing to practical photographers just specs. Not taking anything away from nikon I think the lens and price point of nikon is amazing, but Leica r also perform and have outstanding glass.
great video. it’s really true a leica m is more like a wide angle reportage camera in my opinion and rhe keica r8 is much more versatile. also the leica r7 is very nice (or the mechanical r6) and much smaller than the r8.
Medium tele on rangefinders (like 85mm or 90mm) is still doable. One of the fine examples, I think, is Ralph Gibson. Macro work is practically the domain of SLR. Put a 55 macro and you get a short minimum focusing distance (30-cm ish). Good luck doing that with rangefinder. It's reasonable to have those 2 systems because they work better on different use cases. .. .. Yeah, Leica R system is kinda underrated. Most folks go crazy for the M system. Perhaps I need to buy one, say the R3.
a video on the Hunchback of Solms! Huge, fat, too late,too expensive! The R series Minolta! The R4 worst Leica ever. Minolta version only less expensive! No better.. go to Canon, Nikon, Pentax...
The issue ius that the R mount glass is no good compared to Nikkors, for example :-). Much worse contrast, worse anti-reflex... I have dozens of Nikkor manual lenses, and owned five different R Summiluxes and Summicrons (kept only 50/2 and 28/2.8). There's no legendary Leica glass look. It's just in the brain. So many times I've manipulated people by pretending Nikon-shot pics are from the Leica M and got all those "aaaahs" and "ooohs" and comments about the legendary bokeh etc. (Note: Apart from R-mount I also own quite a bit of M-mount gear...) I admit I like the R8 looks. And I like the heritage of the brand. But that's all :-).
@@MichaelCortese1 you don't think the R Summilux's are worth it? I do agree that some of the lenses are overhyped by the cine mod filmmaking community as I see no "defining characteristics" for filmmaking; however, you can't deny the consistency in high performance with Leica glass. But obviously, to each their own. I've seen the 35-70mm around the block before, but never saw much or heard much about it until now. Maybe I'll try it out. Nikkor F lenses are indeed legendary though
BS, many talk about and always have. The best SLR is a great tool, but once it‘s not a great tool anymore, not even Leica will repair it - expensive paperweight. So have fun with promoting waste of money to others.
I'd never buy a Leica. It's only a status, show off, look at me I have a Leica, camera. There are plenty of camera brands out there that are just as good or maybe better.
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I have talkeed about it. Quite a lot.
The Hunchback of Solms!
I bought mine after watched your video of R8 ! really a gem with the summicron 50 and the 100 APO macro lens
Hey Bellamy.
@@bigheadtaco Hey Take, happy new year.
I had a Nikon f801 with 1/8000 of a second speed in 1989.
Let's just keep one bloody thing secret for a change please? Leica M cameras and M lenses were not that ridiculously expensive five years ago until You Tubers started to buy up all the decent examples of them on the 2nd hand market, and the price just kept going up and up and up. The same is true of film. Please, enjoy the camera but leave the bloody price out of it.
Bodies yes, but film isn't more expensive 'because people are buying it'
@@alhOOO2O Film is expensive becuase Kodak/Alaris has near monopoly over colour emulsions. Ilford is still cheaper for B&W , but even there each time that I check the prices to order some more film( approximately every month or so) the prices have gone up in the shops. The irony is that I live 15 minutes drive away from the Ilford factory in Moberley in the N.W of England yet, you can get the Ilford films 20% cheaper 5000 miles away in the good old US.
I feel you but at the same time we are consuming content about all these cameras and films just as we are doing it with this video... and that itself makes them more desirable and consequently more expensive... it´s the curse of social media.
This camera just went up to $1000 after this video. In 3 months Leica M6’s have increased in price by $600
Had nothing to do with this video
@@Zetaphotography Leicas whole schtick is hype so yes it has to do with all the videos made about the camera
This is quickly becoming my favorite photography channel 😂
Great video bud! It’s always crazy to read the comments! Just had to say thanks for your effort. Keep up the great work. Looking forward to the updates as they come.
FYI, I/8000 shutter speed is expressed as "one eight thousandths of a second," not "1/8000 of a shutter."
Loads a Leica rangefinder without a problem. Struggles to load an SLR. lol. Make it make sense, Chris.
I'm built poorly, what can I say
I got an R8 two years ago and its my baby I love it, and yes the lens CAMS are an hassle and changing the battery is the one most irritating experiences of my life. But shooting with it is just a joy in of its self and just advancing the film makes me smile
I can't figure out how to take off the battery door, my goodness. The R8/R9 weight disparity is actually pretty significant. Might have to upgrade to the R9 soon
@@whoschrischu Unfortunately the only advice I have for the battery door is persistence.
I’ve got two R9’s and an MP and to me the R is a way more useable camera than the M, no contest.
I recommend adding power winder to R8. Yes, the camera is huge already, but believe me, the winder will give you even better grip, not making the body that much bigger. Plus the convenience of not having to take your eye off the viewfinder.
1:36 That is technically not true. The lenses are different because they sit at different distances from the film plane. That makes them render different images by design. Yes, they're close. But the rangefinder lens will always have an advantage because its rear element sits MUCH closer to the film plane than the R mount lens.
I learn something new everyday
@@whoschrischu correct, that‘s why you make clueless - false statement videos for the people to learn nothing relevant - but the poser to get the clicks.
This also isn't true for all of the lenses; for example the 35mm R design is different from all of the 35mm M Summicron designs
I have an R800 without a split image focusing screen and it’s fine. The large viewfinder lets me see exactly when the focus is sharp without excessive fiddling. It’s like a large format camera.
I hope people can still fix these gorgeous cameras.
1/8000 is old. I have 1/8000 on my Nikon F4 from 1988. ;)
These are definitely more than 400usd overhere, more like 800usd (body only). Still want to try one out, such a cool camera, doesn't seem to be overly large.
Interesting to see you use a Leica SLR. I somehow always shy away from that line up, but honestly don't know why. So very curious to see upcoming videos how you compliment your M6 with the R8 :)
For me I combine the Leica MP with a Nikon FM2 and do love the 1/4000 shutter speed on the FM2 just for the simple fact of cutting light to shoot wide open, so I can relate what you mean.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you Chris!
Thank you very much for your awesome videos in 2024 which inspires me to shoot more film and looking forward for 2025 :)
The main reason is lack of repair options. Also...if the electronics in the R8 die...you have a Leica paperweight. Course, this is a good reason to stick to the R6.2 since its a fully mechanical camera that in the right hands can be repaired. I just had my R7 get a full new shutter from DAG.....but it isn't cheap.
Love my R9, have the 50, 90, and 180mm lenses. All fantastic lenses. The camera itself is a joy to use.
That blue jacket looks really good on you
Thanks, Chris! I enjoyed your review of the R6.
I find ignorance irritating and being ignorant because it's your "style" much more irritating. Shutter speeds reference a specific Time Period, the SECOND. When you say 1/8000 Shutter the actual definition of that ridiculous statement is 1 part of an shutter divided into 8000 pieces. So wake up and smell the coffee, it is 1/8000 second.
changing one word in a video just to trigger people to post educational comments as well as boost engagement. I’d say it’s a net positive, 🎉.
Great video per usual Chris
In the 1970's, I used a Leica screw mount 105mm f/2.5 Nikkor lens on a Canon P, using the 100mm frame. I had no problem with that rather large lens on my I-can't-afford-a-Leica M3 outfit. I found the Canon P on eBay, complete with Selenium cell meter and brown leather case and 50mm f/1.8 Canon lens for less than a Leica M3 body. Aside from quickly changing lenses, it all worked out just fine.;) Leica R8? I preferred my semi-professional Nikon FM2, which took (sorta) affordable lenses and WASN'T an automatic exposure camera like the Nikon EL/FE series.
There is a little film rewind window on the back door to the right. You will see a zebra pattern move as you rewind the film - this is to show when the film is actually released from the ‘sprocket’ so you can stop rewinding if you want to leave the film leader out.
Also if you use ROM lenses (the ones which are chipped) the interaction with a dedicated flash is crazy good - fill in is effortless as it balances back light w your subject.
The 60mm macro is an insanely good lens and better for street photog than a 90 as it is more versatile.
0:29 "those frame lines (at, say, 75mm) are very tiny"
No, of course it's not the frame lines that are 'tiny', they can be seen clearly.
it's the in the viewfinder projected field of view that seems tiny, to be more precise.
Love the review!
that opening had me rolling 🤣🤣🤣
I’ll admit after having a Leica for a couple years. It’s a blessing to shoot with these gorgeous machines. But it’s really just buying into the name and what the brand represents. While there are some things I wish my film M have like shutter speed past 1k or the viewfinder to be bigger for glass wearers. I’m fine with it and it fits the way I shoot.
Ii struggle with the rangefinder/slr question every time I travel and I have to choose which system to bring along. I love rangefinders and making images with my M6 has become an intuitive process. But I also often crave the range of lenses that I have for my Nikons. Different tools for different situations, but especially when flying and I have to limit my load, I usually have to leave one behind. I usually default to the M6, almost every bring a 90mm.
BTW, nice homage to Bill Cunningham.
lol,
Sold my R8 over a year ago when all the prices came down. Sold it for $900. I can rebuy it today for $350-$400.
I love the colour quality you have created. Very "Kodachromy" and that also applies to you video! How did you do it?
Is that the guy from New York who be balling in the beginning?
Primer vídeo tuyo que veo, me encanto y más al poder escucharlo en español. Espero que pongas el resto también con opción lengua española. Saludos desde España.
I've been a Nikon fanatic for ages and I also have Leica M for companions... but... I also have an R8 ;) This camera has an exceptional look, it's a UFO. I've never seen such a bright viewfinder, it's really exceptional! Its only flaw is that it's very big and relatively heavy. It's criticized for its lack of reliability, I can't say anything about it, my R8 works perfectly, I need to have it taken more often ;)
Love my R8!
1/8000s shutter speed is nothing new. Nikon’s N8008 (F801) that came out in the mid 80’s had a 1/8000s shutter speed. Most prosumer models did after that. In 1999, Nikon released the D1 with a 1/16000s shutter speed.
Yeah I guess I'm behind the times haha
Minolta 9xi had 1/12000 in 1992.
6:00 it does bother me. Of course I want to feel when the film drops of the take-up spool, so that I can stop winding with the leader still out.
lmao for some reason I can't switch audio in this video from German to US English
some youtube bug I guess?
Love your work.
Good luck getting crons and luxes for the R series at that 400 dollar price tag LOL. Just saying.
Wait color film???? 😝 it’s been a sec
Also…. Jacket is lit
lol I was looking at this camera on eBay last week and there were good copies for $240. I went to look now and they're all $400
might be because of the black friday thingy
@@suzukitaka4470 its because of videos like this. The only reason I liked it was because I love the number 8. I thought maybe I'll see one at 200 someday. Now they're $500. I'll pass. This thing is a brick without manual dials.
_The Leica no one wants to talk about_
*the Konica Hexar AF*
So true
Love the way the R8-9 looks...but is still to much $$$$
Actually lots of people are talking about this camera for at least 3 or 4 years u know... and some even for a couple of decades.
No one gonna mention the vintage casio gold watch?? I have the same one and I looooove it
I am glad that I am not obsessed with the Leica logo and I can enjoy film with autofocus and VR/IS. The R mount by comparison is extremely limited. It doesn't even feature a 16-35mm f/2.8 or 24-70mm f/2.8. People are better off with a F6, F100, 1V and other film cameras from the same era with the R8/R9.
This is a bad take. angenieux make Leica r zoom at 2.8 and Leica even makes some at 2.5 & 3.5 aperture zoom lenses. Saying a specific focal range and aperture means nothing to practical photographers just specs. Not taking anything away from nikon I think the lens and price point of nikon is amazing, but Leica r also perform and have outstanding glass.
R8/9 are sleepers.
8:56 jumpscare
fabulous
great video. it’s really true a leica m is more like a wide angle reportage camera in my opinion and rhe keica r8 is much more versatile. also the leica r7 is very nice (or the mechanical r6) and much smaller than the r8.
Bro this camera is like $100000000000 now!
Nah
@@whoschrischuyah I have proof
You need the Digital Back with 16Bit and10 MP😉
Leica would like to pay you
to forget about that camera.
Failure is just too painful.....
The R8 is the better manual focus ever made nothing more to say!
What R lens did you get? $400 is quite the bargain!
If ANY Leica R, ever... than ONLY the Leica R6.2... All. Day. Long.
You should also try the Leicaflex🙂 SL2
Are the electronics on the R8/9 reliable? I've read that is the reason why they are cheap. Unfixable.
Only one way to find out
The R line definitely has a reputation for poor quality.
Bro if you want to sell that R8, hit me up, I’m NYC too.
nice watch
1/8000 isn't that rare on DSLR days,only not common on entry level DSLRs. For film though it might be something more uncommon i guess?
Medium tele on rangefinders (like 85mm or 90mm) is still doable. One of the fine examples, I think, is Ralph Gibson.
Macro work is practically the domain of SLR. Put a 55 macro and you get a short minimum focusing distance (30-cm ish). Good luck doing that with rangefinder.
It's reasonable to have those 2 systems because they work better on different use cases.
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Yeah, Leica R system is kinda underrated. Most folks go crazy for the M system. Perhaps I need to buy one, say the R3.
I bought my R8 body for 359€ 2 years ago. ; )
The only leica ive given a crap about. I think its the body shape and that shutter speed. I moved on quickly though. Ha.
I was thoroughly surprised with how smooth the operation of this camera was. Aside from the grip, this setup is a steal
If you’re in NYC I’m selling an R8 body, an R8 DMR setup, and some R glass.
DM me on Instagram
@ DM’d
will Leica still repair the R8?
Yes and no, Leica Classic store in Austria still repair but only some faults and it depends on the spare fault.
The film equivalent to the Q lineup.
pretty good comparison
My first and preferred Leica. Owned one since 1998. All pale in comparison.
I finally see a picture of my brother in your video!
The R9 is 100g more light weight !
how did this car youtuber understand that rangefinders have different lens designs than slrs and you didnt?. ruclips.net/video/10x32_0zvIA/видео.html
Is that faizal?
Or, you know, you could just buy a much newer Nikon SLR and a modern Zeiss lens.
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I prefer my R7
There are cheaper cameras with a red dot out there and nobody talks about them.
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R.I.P Leica R8 and R9's at sensible prices....
400$ when ? 10 years ago ? not relevant today
First comment.
welcome to the club, mate
a video on the Hunchback of Solms! Huge, fat, too late,too expensive! The R series Minolta! The R4 worst Leica ever. Minolta version only less expensive! No better.. go to Canon, Nikon, Pentax...
The issue ius that the R mount glass is no good compared to Nikkors, for example :-). Much worse contrast, worse anti-reflex... I have dozens of Nikkor manual lenses, and owned five different R Summiluxes and Summicrons (kept only 50/2 and 28/2.8). There's no legendary Leica glass look. It's just in the brain. So many times I've manipulated people by pretending Nikon-shot pics are from the Leica M and got all those "aaaahs" and "ooohs" and comments about the legendary bokeh etc. (Note: Apart from R-mount I also own quite a bit of M-mount gear...)
I admit I like the R8 looks. And I like the heritage of the brand. But that's all :-).
the only R lens I've used that has characteristic Leica look is the 35-70mm F4. That's a pretty magical lens
@@MichaelCortese1 you don't think the R Summilux's are worth it? I do agree that some of the lenses are overhyped by the cine mod filmmaking community as I see no "defining characteristics" for filmmaking; however, you can't deny the consistency in high performance with Leica glass. But obviously, to each their own.
I've seen the 35-70mm around the block before, but never saw much or heard much about it until now. Maybe I'll try it out.
Nikkor F lenses are indeed legendary though
I think you've never seen through a Leica R 80 mm Summilux
That’s bs. I have both. The Leica R glass is beautiful. Why do so many video and cinematographers use them? The look.
What? No, I think that you are right.
BS, many talk about and always have. The best SLR is a great tool, but once it‘s not a great tool anymore, not even Leica will repair it - expensive paperweight. So have fun with promoting waste of money to others.
I'd never buy a Leica. It's only a status, show off, look at me I have a Leica, camera. There are plenty of camera brands out there that are just as good or maybe better.
What?! Everybody talks about the R8 and R9’n
Liked my M6, love me M3, Love my M8 FKn never sell my Mamiya 7II