Excellent video! Thank you I live right across Rt31 from the mounds. I’ve wandered over there many times. I had no idea it was so extensively ‘studied’ thru the years. I have a large spring on my property. It lies at the base of the ridge the mounds are on. Imagining Rt.31 gone ,it would have been directly adjacent to the mounds. I theorize that could have been why they built them there. Sweet water!Along with the fact the lay of the land would have funneled all foot traffic back in the day right past the mounds making it easy to remember and pay homage to their ancestors. People in Chile put grave monuments along road sides for the same reasons. There is another ‘mound’ down in the floodplain along Ferson Creek, very similar in size?? Yes there was formerly a quarry nearby, (Carr’s Quarry)and it could be spoils from removing overburden, but it is actually quite removed from that area. So…. hmmm I would be happy to guide a more knowledgeable person to it. And you could see the Illinois State Champion Walnut tree down there as well! Steve Patzer
Hi Steve, Thanks very much for watching our video, the kind words, and for the very interesting comments and observations! Your observation regarding the location of the spring close by the mounds is indeed very significant - and does suggest a possible reason for their location along the ridge - not only in terms of the potential spiritual significance of the spring - but also the draw of the clean water for day to day living. In our research, we did identify the presence of one or two other possible burial or mound sites further west along Ferson Creek. The area is quite rich in prehistory. We'd love to see the mound that you are describing at some point. Please contact us at our email brian@behistoric.org or joyce@behistoric.org and we can discuss further. Thanks again!
I was born. raised and lived in St. Charles for more than 67 years and quite frankly was not aware of the significance of that site. The 1972 dig was a year after we graduated HS and one of our classmates lived directly across Rt. 31, another classmate lived in a rental house also across Rt. 31's eastern shoulder. I should have realized the significance of the road due south being Indian Mound Rd, but those days are just memories of misspent youth. I know I and at least one other classmate will be watching and enjoying your channel as subscribers, we'll pass the word among our friends who are interested in the history of our community.
Thanks very much for watching ! Very glad that you found it informative and enjoyed it. And thank you too for sharing our channel with others. That helps us and helps our channel grow. Thanks again!
I lived out on Crane rd at the time, and was 5 when the dog took place in 72. I also remember a really bad accident on Crane rd a few years later that killed 4 kids. They’d been at the POE which is now the park across from the mounds. I found a few arrowheads where I lived on Crane rd west of Randall rd. Not far from Fearson creek. I’ve found many over the years here in the Fox Valley since. And some out in DeKalb Co as well. From mid archaic to Mississippian Madison points.
@@NocturnalIntellectFascinating!!! I live near the Fox R in McHenry, and the Nippersink Creek area-- I have a fairly substantial collection from various farm fields, and creeks-- Let's go scouting!!!!
Hi Kirk, thanks for the kind words and for watching! We can be contacted at our email addresses, at either brian@behistoric.org or joyce@behistoric.org
Thanks for all of your detective work,. Like Brian, I too saw the original Dixon Mounds site as a youngster and it did make me more curious about the past. I think this was your best series yet. What I take away from the way the records and artifacts were moved around is very similar to the way that a lot of historical artifacts vanish from historical societies that end up dissolving due to funding and participation problems. People have good intentions with preserving history, but nothing lasts unless the future of the organization is well planned and funding is secured. We have good examples like Stacy’s Tavern and Naper Settlement, but I have seen some bad examples too.Thanks again for all your hard work.
Thanks for watching and for the kind words regarding the series! Curating the past is indeed a difficult and tricky endeavor. We're seeing that the history of the excavation of these sorts of sites is often quite messy. It's gotten far better in the past 50 years especially with centralized databases, organizations such as ISAS, and NAGPRA documentation - but putting these sites back together is literally like undertaking an archeological dig through partial and incomplete records - and that's excluding most of the pot-hunting digs that too plagued these sites.
Hello Brian and Joyce, the research you both performed on this series bespeaks the quality and character of the presentations. Also, I am gratified that you were both able to located NAGPRA records as this can be a very difficult challenge when conducting archaeological research. I toured Dickson Mounds Museum on four occasions prior to the closing of the main exhibit hall in 1992. My memories of Dickson Mounds inspired me to pursue a career in archaeology, and until this day I continue to have a strong desire to perform field work, perform curation, and publishing my findings.
@@BeHistoric weird how they wouldn’t have any jewelry or gold which is almost always with Native American burial grounds…… perhaps they were all taken when the 1800s excavation happened . They just didn’t report it.
Brian, and Joyce--- Have you done any research in, or around Antioch, down to McHenry, along the Fox R, Pistakee Lake, or around the Chain o Lakes area??
What a magnificent series this is, you two! Thank you! I had known about the mounds destroyed by construction, but didn’t know three remained. Along with the video you did on the Batavia site, and fermi lab, these videos have given me a much better understanding of the natives history here in the fox valley. I’ve found many points, very old sea shells, a nice pecking stone all here in the tri cities. One of the points is for sure a hopewell. That now all ties in to what you guys have confirmed. Good stuff! I hope you find more mounds, and produce more videos! Maybe DeKalb Co? 👍😃 You guys are great!
Thanks for commenting and watching the series! Very much apreciated! Wow - fascinating that you found a Hopewell point in the area. Those are not common, as far as we know. We hope to continue to explore regional mounds for some time to come. Very possible we will explore the DeKalb area in the months/years to come! Thanks again!
Well done! I thoroughly enjoyed this 4 part series. It was well researched, well written and perfectly paced. Thanks very much for sharing it.
Thank you for watching the entire series and commenting! We are very glad that you enjoyed it, and we appreciate the kind words and support!
Thank you for such an interesting series.
Thanks for watching the entire series and for commenting! Very much appreciated! We are very glad that you found the series of interest.
Excellent video!
Thank you
I live right across Rt31 from the mounds. I’ve wandered over there many times. I had no idea it was so extensively ‘studied’ thru the years.
I have a large spring on my property. It lies at the base of the ridge the mounds are on. Imagining Rt.31 gone ,it would have been directly adjacent to the mounds. I theorize that could have been why they built them there. Sweet water!Along with the fact the lay of the land would have funneled all foot traffic back in the day right past the mounds making it easy to remember and pay homage to their ancestors. People in Chile put grave monuments along road sides for the same reasons.
There is another ‘mound’ down in the floodplain along Ferson Creek, very similar in size??
Yes there was formerly a quarry nearby, (Carr’s Quarry)and it could be spoils from removing overburden, but it is actually quite removed from that area. So…. hmmm
I would be happy to guide a more knowledgeable person to it. And you could see the Illinois State Champion Walnut tree down there as well!
Steve Patzer
Hi Steve, Thanks very much for watching our video, the kind words, and for the very interesting comments and observations! Your observation regarding the location of the spring close by the mounds is indeed very significant - and does suggest a possible reason for their location along the ridge - not only in terms of the potential spiritual significance of the spring - but also the draw of the clean water for day to day living. In our research, we did identify the presence of one or two other possible burial or mound sites further west along Ferson Creek. The area is quite rich in prehistory. We'd love to see the mound that you are describing at some point. Please contact us at our email brian@behistoric.org or joyce@behistoric.org and we can discuss further. Thanks again!
Thanks for the history lesson regarding my grandfather AL Allen. Mark Allen
Glad that you found it of interest. It was a complicated and nuanced set of events. Thank you for watching and commenting!
I’m grateful someone was able to perform a reburial ceremony with some of the artifacts… ❤
Indeed, that was very gratifying for us to hear as well. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I was born. raised and lived in St. Charles for more than 67 years and quite frankly was not aware of the significance of that site. The 1972 dig was a year after we graduated HS and one of our classmates lived directly across Rt. 31, another classmate lived in a rental house also across Rt. 31's eastern shoulder. I should have realized the significance of the road due south being Indian Mound Rd, but those days are just memories of misspent youth. I know I and at least one other classmate will be watching and enjoying your channel as subscribers, we'll pass the word among our friends who are interested in the history of our community.
Thanks very much for watching ! Very glad that you found it informative and enjoyed it. And thank you too for sharing our channel with others. That helps us and helps our channel grow. Thanks again!
I lived out on Crane rd at the time, and was 5 when the dog took place in 72. I also remember a really bad accident on Crane rd a few years later that killed 4 kids. They’d been at the POE which is now the park across from the mounds.
I found a few arrowheads where I lived on Crane rd west of Randall rd. Not far from Fearson creek. I’ve found many over the years here in the Fox Valley since. And some out in DeKalb Co as well. From mid archaic to Mississippian Madison points.
@@NocturnalIntellectFascinating!!! I live near the Fox R in McHenry, and the Nippersink Creek area-- I have a fairly substantial collection from various farm fields, and creeks-- Let's go scouting!!!!
What a pleasant surprise to see and hear Mick Aston. Love his work. Great videos by the way.
Glad that you enjoyed it! Yes, Mick Aston was/is a favorite of ours as well. :-)
Wonderful awork. Thank you the thoughtful research. How would one contact you about giving a presentation?
Hi Kirk, thanks for the kind words and for watching! We can be contacted at our email addresses, at either brian@behistoric.org or joyce@behistoric.org
Thanks for all of your detective work,. Like Brian, I too saw the original Dixon Mounds site as a youngster and it did make me more curious about the past. I think this was your best series yet. What I take away from the way the records and artifacts were moved around is very similar to the way that a lot of historical artifacts vanish from historical societies that end up dissolving due to funding and participation problems. People have good intentions with preserving history, but nothing lasts unless the future of the organization is well planned and funding is secured. We have good examples like Stacy’s Tavern and Naper Settlement, but I have seen some bad examples too.Thanks again for all your hard work.
Thanks for watching and for the kind words regarding the series! Curating the past is indeed a difficult and tricky endeavor. We're seeing that the history of the excavation of these sorts of sites is often quite messy. It's gotten far better in the past 50 years especially with centralized databases, organizations such as ISAS, and NAGPRA documentation - but putting these sites back together is literally like undertaking an archeological dig through partial and incomplete records - and that's excluding most of the pot-hunting digs that too plagued these sites.
Hello Brian and Joyce, the research you both performed on this series bespeaks the quality and character of the presentations. Also, I am gratified that you were both able to located NAGPRA records as this can be a very difficult challenge when conducting archaeological research. I toured Dickson Mounds Museum on four occasions prior to the closing of the main exhibit hall in 1992. My memories of Dickson Mounds inspired me to pursue a career in archaeology, and until this day I continue to have a strong desire to perform field work, perform curation, and publishing my findings.
Thanks for watching and for all of your help on this series. It made a big difference. Hope we can collaborate again in the future!
No jewelry or gold found at all huh ?????
No, nothing like that was found.
@@BeHistoric weird how they wouldn’t have any jewelry or gold which is almost always with Native American burial grounds…… perhaps they were all taken when the 1800s excavation happened . They just didn’t report it.
@@BeHistoric if not gold 100 percent there would be some type of jewelry
Brian, and Joyce--- Have you done any research in, or around Antioch, down to McHenry, along the Fox R, Pistakee Lake, or around the Chain o Lakes area??
What a magnificent series this is, you two! Thank you! I had known about the mounds destroyed by construction, but didn’t know three remained.
Along with the video you did on the Batavia site, and fermi lab, these videos have given me a much better understanding of the natives history here in the fox valley. I’ve found many points, very old sea shells, a nice pecking stone all here in the tri cities.
One of the points is for sure a hopewell. That now all ties in to what you guys have confirmed. Good stuff! I hope you find more mounds, and produce more videos! Maybe DeKalb Co? 👍😃
You guys are great!
Thanks for commenting and watching the series! Very much apreciated! Wow - fascinating that you found a Hopewell point in the area. Those are not common, as far as we know. We hope to continue to explore regional mounds for some time to come. Very possible we will explore the DeKalb area in the months/years to come! Thanks again!