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The 5 Best and WORST Warhammer of 2023
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Question have you ever just wanted to paint bigger sculpts ? Now I’ve painted minis most of my life but just recently I’ve been searching for larger Fantasy Sculpts I’ve done a few conversions but I just want to buy bigger models to paint 😂😂😂
I think people are just sick of Mechanicus not getting more big robots, they feel like Guard but harder to paint sometimes.
Hell, yeah. Mechanicus Needs. More. Robots. I'd also like to see a unit of servitors, Omnissiah willing.
I dont mind the lack of servitors. I make my own. Is getting some stuff so we can kitbash would be nice
Deff want some Robots.@benjaminhayward5921
@@benjaminhayward5921 New Servitors would be nice, yes. Nothing would quite beat an entire chaff unit of menial laborers thrown into battle while their masters bring their real force to bear elsewhere.
And yes, more robots. There are tons of robots in Horus Heresy that were meant to make the transition to plastic and 40K, that never got to. It's time to bring the Not!Men of Iron in from the cold.
@@Bluecho4 Yes. Those automata are too cool to stay locked behind the Forge World paywall! 🤑
Like I would love more of the cataphron vibe on post human walkers and weird tanks with little heads popping out ❤
The nerf gun... or T-shirt cannon Marines (Desolation Squad) are the goofiest mini's I have ever seen, such a joke when I first came across them I thought they were conversions for a meme, then I realised they are real.... THEY ARE REAL!!!!!!!
Some of the memes for these minis have been Epically Legendary.
I love the 'Compensators' meme.
Sure you did. They are marines with a square launcher. They aren’t special, and they aren’t horrible.
The nerf gun Marines are real, and they can hurt you 😂.
It's evidence of GW trying to maximise Primaris Marine appeal but getting it badly wrong.
Personally I like Marines to be fairly plain and their weapons to look slightly smaller in their hands.
The smaller shoulder pads and longer bolt rifles are a fail with Primaris aesthetics I think but these Compensator Marines are utter trash.
@@BonusHoleI actually have grown to love them! At first I was like ewww but then I’m like these weapons are much more modern looking and that’s cool
That AdMech sniper is a callback to the ancient times of the '90's when 40k was legit about utter lunacy and embracing the derp, and I heartily approve.
I mean, back in the day, my Ork Warboss in GorkaMorka got shot in the head and the Painboy replaced his brain with an actual squig. Not some of his brain with squig bits - just the whole entire thing with a whole entire squig.
AdMech dude has stilts for shins! COME ON! That's AWESOME!
GW used to be a lot crazier than people give it credit for. And I hope they get back to that - it needs more fun stuff. I miss it.
At least they're bringing some of that silliness back in Age of Sigmar. Have you SEEN the new judge model from Flesheater Courts?
Before you read, I tear into the skatros in this comment, so if you love the thing and can't stand it being attacked, read no further
Breakdown of points
1. "Realism"
2. Filling a role already addressed in the range
3. Other possibilities for what it could have been
4. The sculpt
As an Admech player, I don't like the stilts. For 4 reasons.
1st, a sniper should not be standing that tall. I've heard arguments about trawling through swamps or needing highground and height advantage. I disagree, for a swamp trawler, make it a melee model with long hooks for dredging. For a sniper, give him hover movement, he can move fast, fly high, and stay stealthy.
2nd, there isn't a need for a bad sniper. We have two models to fill the role, the transuranic arquebus on rangers and the chicken walker. Snipers in general are not all that good in the rules right now so adding it in was always going to fall flat in general.
3rd, because we got this stilted skitarii, we didn't get the chance for a much cooler model, we could have gotten a chaff style servitor swarm, bigger robots, the start of a biologus 'range', a dunecrawler style servitor, etc.
4th, the sculpt itself, there is no reason to think this thing is any different from a cardboard cutout practice target, no walking motion, not even aiming at anything. And due to the dumb A-pose, and relatively small base size, there isn't any option for changing the pose. Transportation of this thing is also difficult, it's taller than any other model in the range (excluding knights and flyers) so a player is less likely to have storage that can fit it, in gameplay its liable to keel over at a stiff breeze, and has enough fiddly bits on it to garuntee a break with every touch
I honestly looked at stilt boy and thought to myself, that is the ugliest thing I've ever seen. And I've seen old Guardian faces, the old screamer, and many other old GW models. I understand you like the sniper, so I'm sorry I ripped so hard into it, but I just don't see the appeal, unless it's just the sheer peculiarity of the thing, but even then Admech already has a lot of that.
The craziest thing about the Skatros is that it costs A$150
A note about the guy standing on the back of the Rogal Dorn's turret, that was actually something that happened with Sherman tanks in WW2. The roof mounted .50 cal was for shooting at aircraft, and the tank crews would frequently make a deal with the infantry they were supporting to get a guy to stand on the engine deck of the tank and use it.
The rogal dorn tank is a great kit lots of options and I’m not surprised the assault marines made the list but the jump pack commander is worse who puts a cloak on a figure with a large jet engine on his back
Someone with just enough imagination to think 'cloaks are cool' yet not quite enough imagination to notice hot jet exhaust and large, flappy pieces of cloth do not mix well. No matter how cool it looks. 😁
@@kdog3908they used fire retardant material ! Cloak made from the flesh of some alien that lives in lava pits
No capes! XD
Putting the Dorn this high made me laugh it’s certainly meme worthy tbh
The Guy on the back of the Turret of the Rogal Dorn is a Reference to one of the bravest soldiers of all time : Sgt Audi Murphy who Jumped on the back of a M10 Hellcat that was crippled near him and Sigle handedly captured or slew 80 German soldier's by operating the Air Defiance pintle mount .50 cal Browning M2 Machine Gun with withering effect and reckless disregard for his safety .. Rock of the Marne !
That’s bad ass
@@minishaw280 whats also not mentioned is that said Hellcast was also *on fire* when he jumped on the machine gun and had a high chance of just fucking exploding at any moment. He stood ontop of it...for an hour...whilst also calling in coordinates for artillery strikes over the radio after having told his men to retreat.
Hollywood approached him to do a biopic of his life into an action movie and he actually suggested toning *down* the scene because he thought nobody would actually believe it was real.
Their biggest miss was not releasing a marine with hand on forehead and a disappointed look on their face.
I can’t disagree the rogal dork does have a little something something. Even though I like the dual little gun big gun turret.
Of course Alien is a Christmas move - it's about the devastating consequences of a virgin birth.
I would hardly call "Hello! Ma Baby" devastating.
Upfront. Thanks for the grind so close too the new year. Hope too see more of you again in 2024. Happy New Year to you Discourse :D !
The Sydonian Skatros belongs in DoW. I just want to see how they animate it.
Dark Troopers with the big "We have Necrons at home" energy.
When you got to your number one I said 'THAAANKKK YOUUU' out loud. Also thank you for introducing me to Hametsu, I genuinely didn't know it existed.
I'm so glad! :D
Happy new year. Glad you're back 👍
The insistence that your rankings are objective had me cracking up because there's another creator out there, not gonna name any names, but who's whined a lot that reviewers of his book who disliked it were not being objective, which just has me imagining someone leaving a review that just talks about the number of pages in the book.
90% of the time when people talk about objective analysis, they're just fooling themselves and insisting that their subjective analysis is actually based on a logical formula. The other 10% is people being sarcastic.
thx for the work so close to the new year, now go enjoy festivities wherever you are. should i crowdsource bail?
Happy New Year!! I've enjoyed your videos and learned so much from you. I'm looking forward to seeing what 2024 brings from you.
The Skatros makes me smile and as much as I love Lion El Johnson, I'm glad stilts won out.
Happy New Year, Discourse! Thank you for all the quality -content- videos.
Those Star Wars Dark Troopers have got a fairly strong Cam Kennedy vibe to them; but I agree that they could have done with some added Salsa lessons to give them some hip action.
My custom Space Marine chapter has some Iron Warriors in its ancestry. I was determined to make Desolation Marines work in the army, so I put MKIII helmets on them. I really like how they turned out. They make sense visually in that role, especially with the huge weapons; way more than as Ultramarines with basic primaris helmets.
Really pleased to see Footsore make the +ve list
Fantastic and fun video, as always. Hope you have an amazing New Year!
Interesting. I was heartened to see Footsore and Bad Squiddo get a mention. Have a happy New Year.
I love the year end roundup ! ! !
It's funny, because I see George Clooney batman as one of the newer ones.
Michael Keaton was mine as a kid.
The guy standing on the back is a throwback to the 50 cal on Shermans
So by the end you still liked a big boy ^^. This was a fun video. Loved to hear your thoughts and perspectives. And you should definitely do one again in 2024. Happy Newyears too Everyone.,
love the videos and the passion you put into them! thanks for the hard work you put into it! hope you have a happy new year
Happy new year!
12:40 "Custard 🍮 colored" ouch ! ! !
😀😃😄😁😆😅🤣😂
I painted a 12 inch model of batman from the Adam West campy TV show type from the 60s with blue cape and yellow utility belt. Hand me the bat-shark repellant robin!
Stilt sniper is actually totally in line with the Mechanicus' tendancy to reinvent C-List Spiderman villains. First Atomic Snail (Cawl) now Stiltman!
Oh, it's cool to see alternatives to Games Workshop. Those Queen Amidala guards looks really good, amongst others.
The worst choice were so bad that even the GW staff were mocking them.
I don't even play 40k anymore but I love the sydonian stilt boy. Glad to see they made the list.
Shoutout to Corvus Belli for fitting the whole range of Infinity minis in the honorable mentions.
Love you, Discourse. Happy 2024 and keep up the good fight! Don't let the bastards grind you down.
Those Xenomorph minis are my bane! Have them for Alien RPG & I've given up trying to store & transport them in anything beyond shoved all together in a small cardbox. Trying to get them out for an encounter results in the wiedrest gam,e of Barrel-o'-Monkeys you've ever seen - way to ruin immersion when you're searching your dimly lit room (for ambience) for an almost black mini of a shadowy nightmare that got flung from the mass when you were trying to set up. Great minis on the table though.
Not even including Lion El or Angron is criminal
Lion el is just a standard Space Marine, and I'm not a fan of the Angron sculpt
@@DiscourseMinis standard??? He’s definitely not standard…in what way is he standing or posed like a standard marine? Saying a Primarch is a standard space marine is like saying your channel is a typical doom posting page, to say the least that’s super specious and wholly pedantic. But saying Angron sculpt is not amazing based on personal preference is fine, but certainly the community loved it and I’d argue that your list putting the Dorn as high as this is really just stretching it.
@DiscourseMinis Lion El'Jonson is not a standard space marine. Also, you still felt the need to include him in the thumbnail for the clicks ; )
Excellent videos, many of those great honorable mentions were new to me.
Thanks for an informative and funny year, discourse!
How about a list of models that were discontinued in 2023?
There are quite a few that just got deleted from GW this year.
It's kind of funny, I initially wrote off the Desolation Squad as just "whatever" but after this examination... I kinda love them. Not for the reason GW intended mind you, but more it just gives me major early-90's vibes. Maybe get the Cable model from Crisis Protocol to be their commander.
Hard to pick what my personal best for the year would be. A few that came to mind are "Salaacia" from Carnevale, basically anyone from "Skabbik's Plaguepack" from Warhammer Underworlds, "Solcurus - Aspect of Sol' Myr" from Archvillain Games, and "Dranyer" from Moonstone.
A little telling that there’s no mention of this year’s biggest release, Gambler’s Chest. No box even comes close to the models in it. Atnas could be a contender for one of the best models of the year, same with the Gambler and the Bone Eaters. The dynamic player miniatures in it are also very good, with some very clever tooling and bases.
Aliens AGDITC is fantastic. Glad you endorsed it!
Have the happiest of New Years. Looking forward to see what you have in store fir 24 ! ! !
Wonder if Game Workshop would understand:
The "minimalistic debris" look is just unnatural.
That is the problem with Game Workshop Jet-Pack models, there isn't enough debris on the ground to make it look like natural motion. Few other models later on, non-jet pack Models in "leaping over" poses, that catch the concept of motion so much better then any Game Workshop Model has. All because the debris being moved across are more then something the space marine stubbed a toe on!
Even the smoke billows of other companies jet-pack models do this, better capture the feeling of motion by using the area around the Model!
Bonne Année Discourse. Wish you the best for 2024.
They failed on Amiibo....
The community had been asking for a virtual table top for decades, and a few even suggested tying them into model purchases!
The jumppack assault intercessors are ridiculous. They look like tripping over these awful tactical stones, the poses are just ... baaad. And way overpriced.
The admech sniper single handedly makes me want to collect admech, I can't stress enough how right you are
The fart sound at the mechanicus model had me cracking up 😂
The biggest sin of the Tall Snipey Boi is that they didn't commit to the Martian Tripod reference and give him a third leg instead of the tail.
Alien is a christmas movie 🎅 ! Best thing I heard this week 😂
100% the Desolation squad. It doesn't even match the new established naming style.
They've literally just strapped a bunch of rocket pods onto the front of the intercessors, and not even done it well. The rockets backdraft will hit them right in the face, the weapons are poorly proportioned and look like they're about to spin forward out of their hands, and just... look silly.
Happy New Year 2024 ! ! !
Agreed on the desolators, a lot of the primaris stuff just looks stupid. Not a fan of the Rogal Dorn though, the turret mounted stubber is just moronic - it's so far back on the large turret that it can't hit anything close to the vehicle (and the gun mantlet gets in the way as well), you can't turn it much side to side without bumping into the guys either side, and you can't fire it without deafening them.
Bought Another Glorious Day In The Corp plus its expansions and the Escape from Nostromo game just before Xmas. My eyes are open to other game systems now, especially as you can find entire games for the cost of one character model from 40K.
Greetings and a happy new year from Germ-any. - Eileen (yea I don't know why my parents gave me an Irish name, guess Germ-any isn't a country after all)
I don’t think I have never thought the dorn tank when I think guard.
It’s always the Russ or bane blade but that may be just a me thing.
the Carnivale mini was a jab at the human centipede...if you don't know what that is, look it up
Those Star Wars Legion Dark Imperial Dark Troopers look like blatant ripoffs of the old Copplestone Future Wars Terminator Robots.
"The lore is just wind" YEEEEESSSSSSS
The fandom would benefit so much from understanding that. Good on you, Discourse.
If you like the footsore stuff - check out reconquer designs
Surprised silver bayonet didn't get honourable mention
As an Imperial Fists player who also owns lots of Imperial Guard, I feel as though I am required to buy a couple Rogal Dorns
Best mini of the year: The Gambler from v Kingdom Death
Dammit, man, that thing is WILD!
Wonderful vid!
Love to see Carnevale getting some love, even if it's calling out their abominations against man and god
❤😂❤🎉happy new years🎉😂❤ luv it
What new mini would you like to see for the beastmen army box for the old world? A plastic Preyton or Jabberslythe would be cool.
Ha thats not happening for a long time. First any beastman it will be released for AoS and can be used in old world
Bit sad there was no mention of the Koi Dragon mini from Ryoko's Guide to the Yokai Realms. That thing's a beast and a brilliant design!
Looking forward to getting my hands on that Pegasus Lord alright. January 20th!
Sorry Discord, I should have known I was wrong all along
I wholeheartedly agree with your choice of worst miniature when I first saw the Desolators I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. Mind you I’m not a Primaris fan full stop, I’m so happy we’ve got the Horus Heresy range and I’ve plenty of other glorious firstborns. Not a fan of 40k tanks though so couldn’t support you on the Rogal Dorn.
I suppose it's fitting that the Dark Troopers do come from a PS1 game.
It actually looks better as a 2d sprite in the MS-DOS version.
Honestly I think all those units look sic. Im a heritic and I love the looks. As a rule of cool guy I buy models that I for one like the look for first regardless on the challange of painting it. I guse if you had and only had to buy 1 army you might get get a compitive one so you can still play local and have a better change in a tornament. Iv only one 1 game and iv loved very game i play.
I love horror miniatures.
You need to swap your 3rds
Not joking
Everything you talked about with lazy sculpts is perfectly examplified by the scatros it's shit.
The unholy union - AAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH - I am so sad I saw this, but at the same time happy.
Banger video, banger thumbnail.
Nice selection of minis, particularly like those templars, very cool! Personally I like Skabbiks Plague Pack or the Kruhlboys Warcry Team as my favourites. But FairPlay to your choices, except the Hellbrute remains the worst model of all time!
Thank you for the amazing videos over the year o7
aw thanks :3
5:43 Hero Quest Chaos Knight? Holy blast from the Bat-past, Discourse!
7:45 It's the Giantess with none of the sex appeal, if that's not a reason to make the worst model of the year list I don't know what is.
8:50 Wins a spot just for boosting the meme-economy.
10:48 Too skinny. IG and HK series are no good as imperial jackboot droids, the original Lucas Games DT or something like the DT sentry droid looks much better.
Shatterpoint made me decide to give up on gaming. I thought Legion could be an alternative to GW. So right on cue they dilute the game space with Shatterpoint. Now it is One Page Rules and Battletech or nothing.
You dislike the Dark Troopers? I'll admit the one who points makes no sense to me. I can at least fix the dark troopers up a bit to look decent. Technically, they are the phase 1 dark troopers. I wonder if we gamers will ever get the phase 2 and phase 3 Dark Troopers. 🙄
The Rogal Dorn is best? Yes it probably is the most fun I had with a GW kit in a while, even if does have no bottom... lol. I think no serious gamer will use the double barrel variant in the game, tho. The double barrel one looks pretty cool, however.
They're so skinny. Skinny droids are scary but don't feel oppressive like I imagine Imperial combat droids would. I like the original Dark Forces DT, even though it's just a bigger stormtrooper. The DT sentry droid also works because it's squat and broad shouldered, if a bit too brutish.
Yeah can't agree. The Rogal Dorn is a fail for me, particularly because of the hole in the bottom and the derpy guy hanging off the turret. I put it in the same class as the Desolators, a rushed "upgrade" of existing models.
Using the word 'objective' is actually not valid. It's purely subjective :P I feel like you can have your subjective opinion, and I appreciate hearing about it, even if I don't agree you can totally have your subjective opinion! I do take exception to the use of the word 'objective' tho :D Thanks for posting.
I do not agree with the rankings, or een about best/worst models. Buuuut, the reasoning is consistent. Your best model shocks me.
No apologies lol but the Rogal Dorn is possibly my choice for worse mini. Every time I look at it, I keep finding new reasons to hate it.
The really funny thing? That Wetherspoons is in Nottingham. Dunno if you planned that.
Oh please i kitbash my own deathwing knights with swords and grey knights helmets...come 10th gw does too... the risen Bladeguard? Look an awful lot like bladegaurd aincent judicer champion and 2 generic... they look great but... i have them already
13:00 Sometimes streamlining is just a bad idea ! ! !
Thanks for the video. Personally my favourite minis was a hacker from stargrave (from Northstar minis) paint with the bisexual pride flag colours. I really liked their metal characters both simple but.... with character. Don't really know why may be because they have this handmade vibe
Well. Surprised by some but I mostly agree. All in all I like the goofyness of the desolation squad... I don't know. I see why they suck but also I'm like what the hell, nothing makes sens in 40k anyways 😂
Same for the skitary sniper guy...
People buy new miniatures? huh, well there you go... fun video.
Agreeing about the Ad-Mech sniper on stilts. They're a bunch of superstitious weirdos that don't fully seem to understand the technology they're working with, like human versions of ork meks. It just sucks the rules seem pretty lackluster for it.
Footsore foot knights! I like your style kid👍
Cmon don’t keep us waiting where is the video on how awful the release of the old world was and how Gw is almost definitely heading for bankruptcy 😂 😂
The jump pack marines look awesome ! You’re wild
To me the admech is nice but the pose is so akward, I saw artist redo it but with a much better pose and it's stunning.
Space Marine Compensator Squad was GW trying to imitate Infinity The Game but failing badly.