As a local I completely agree that the 3, 5 and 57 should receive the extensions you proposed. However instead of terminating the 3 at Chadstone, what if instead it continued down Poath road to terminate at Hughesdale station. It would provide another great train connection and make possible further extensions easier to implement.
other tram extensions i would like to see: - extension of the 75 to Knox - new turning point at the Elizabeth St/Flinders St intersection - extension of the 75 to Footscray - extension of 48 to Doncaster - extension of 58 with left turn to terminate at Glenferrie - extension of 6 to Glen Iris Station
If you want to dream real big, how about extending route 6 to Knox, connecting with route 75. I like the Footscrat extension idea. 58 should be extended to Hartwell to connect with route 75.
My hope is that when LXRP is complete they'll move over to a tram line improvement project. These would be good projects to start on while they prepare larger projects.
ahhhh yes that route 5 and 3 extension. One time I had to talk about several tram extensions for a school project and I specifically mentioned those two but one thing about the route 5 terminus is that it should also be extended to chadstone to provide a higher frequency along waverley road with route 3 as well as ensuring that it is served by partially low floor trams as route 3 is currently entirely high floor trams. Also thanks for the shoutout on my video (this is my other account)
What a brilliant video. I think the government should take notice of your suggestions all of which are incredibly sensible and would facilitate public transport travel in Melbourne. Ian Nosworthy
Its interesting to see how close some trams get to train stations without actually linking to them, and the History behind that These extensions are quite similar to the Box Hill Exention of the now Route 109 I believe, so its quite feasible that they could/should happen one day sooner rather then later. Nice & Interesting Video!
Tram 19 also terminates in a random spot in North Coburg where there's almost nothing around. It would make sense to extend it towards Fawkner or perhaps even up to Campbellfield Plaza (but that would probably cost enough to bankrupt a small European country)
I agree with you 100%! Tram should go under Sydney Rd to Boundary Rd. A train station should be built at Campbellfield (there is room); dupiicate the train line etc. The State Govt scrapped the duplication of the Upfield train line on New Years Day 2025!
Excellent suggestions - time to think bigger though with pressure put on government to commit to light rail being integrated with the strategic planning of the 50 centres identified for urban intensification. I’m also old to remember a proposal to provide a tram network as infrastructure to incentivize the Fishermen’s Bend urban renewal development project with that linked into Docklands. However the failure to extend trams along Footscray Rd from Docklands to Footscray as part of the Westgate tunnel project tells us that such imaginative thinking is the exception rather than the rule.
While I like the principle of the idea, as a passenger transport it would be zero. People are not going to use a slow tram with multiple suitcases from across Melbourne . It might suit those on that side and with little luggage.
Yes to an airport tram extension, ideally in addition to the train because they will (eventually) take very different paths between airport and city, so the team would still be adding a lot of value in its own right. And I reckon it would be possible to fit the vehicles plying this route with luggage racks similar to what dedicated airport buses and trains have in other parts of the world. This combined with low floors and accessible stops will make the tram a viable option for air passengers and airport staff anywhere north of the CBD
@@alexmccutcheon7381 Yes! Agree absolutely! Other cities in the world have special model trams. There is plenty of space down the middle of the road all along to the airport. There could be "special" airport trams with limited stops into the city so as to decrease the time of the journey. I am sure it would be considerably cheaper than a train. Melbourne transport to the airport is an embarrassment. Even small cities like Oslo have an excellent airport train and a tram connection in Melbourne would use a great deal of infrastructure already in place.
Another major but simple extension would be connecting Routes 58 & 75 along Toorak Road, from Kooyong to Glen Iris. It currently has not even a bus service along this section. A dead zone. Would connect to many other tram/train lines & bus services.
My pitch is 1.5/2 lines in the west between Hoppers Crossing, Tarneit and Werribee Stations. It'd hit a shit ton of community services, shopping centres and would drastically improve the walkability of the entire region
Completely agree with this. I'd like to see a few new massive tram routes in the west - a few centred on both Sunshine and Hoppers Crossing would be very welcome
THANK YOU, YES it would complement the overextended buses, and make ppl actually use public transport more in the congested west (saying this as a privileged point cook user)
@@The_Jazziest_Coffee Absolutely, the bus routes around here are an embarrassment. I’m in Westbrook and would barely be near such a tram service myself; but running something down Derrimut Rd and forking to Hoppers and Werribee would be a no-brainer. So many schools, shops, services, pools. Could make for a fantastic medium density corridor. But that would require forward thinking politics
Agreed a tram line connecting Wyndham Vale to Hoppers Crossing via Heaths Rd/ Werribee Plaza with ext.to Williams Landing/Pt Cook Town centre . Werribee to Tarneit via Werribee Plaza/Derrimut Rd.
Advocacy tip: In addition to simply providing additional connections, building what you suggest would also make things easier during disruptions, both planned and unplanned. If you for example need to stop traffic on the inner section of one of those rail lines during a weekend, you could just use the trams that normally aren't in use on week ends instead of using replacement buses. Also if the tram line has to be cut, a few trams could be stored on the outer section shuttling back and forth between the rail station and nearby tram stops. It won't give you much comfort, but there are similar examples elsewhere. Berlin has a gap between Krumme Lanke at southwestern end of one of the metro lines and Mexicoplatz on the S-Bahn network. It's been like this for over a century, and now there are at least some plans to fill in this gap.
There was also a proposal to extend the route 11 tram to Keon Park station via Best Street & Botha Avenue and one to extend the 86 tram to Mernda station via Bush Boulevard. I think both of these would be worthwhile projects.
While living in Preston without a car, the lack of connections between trams and trains let alone traveling sideways around Melbourne drove me nuts. On a hot or wet day it was awful. Great plan!
quick thought on the first one, make both alternatives and build it as a loop, avoid turnover time, and maybe if there are two sets of tracks, there could be one or more lanes end or start there in distant future...
i’d also extend the 109 to Ringwood. Gives people another option for transport & can be a direct connection to several schools along Maroondah Highway, as well as shopping districts, especially the western side of Ringwood. Additionally, it would allow for future branch line to Doncaster (a second one following an extension of the 48)
300m of distance is just a few seconds of extra time for the 67 tram, especially considering its long length already, and would definitely be worth it in terms of increased connectivity. Additionally it makes use of some existing tramway, though the current single track Truganini terminus would have to go.
When the Nepean Hwy was widened in the 1970s the original design allowed for a reserved track tramway running from Elsternwick to Moorabbin. It would have been a new direct route rather than an extension of the 64. The Libs were in power then so it didn't get beyond the planning stage.
@@AshleyReynolds-vc6ly I thought because of the extension of Southland in the late 1980s , they proposed to extend the 64 route to Southland. Then the proposal was shorten to Moorabbin Station. Then the proposal was scrapped.
@@ctwentysevenj6531 There were prob lots of options to the proposal. I know Elsternwick to Moorabbin was planned with the highway widening. You are prob right that there was a 'bigger' option to go to Southland and a 'smaller' option to extend it only from the 64. Couldn't have been many votes in it bc nothing got built!
A lot of the classic tram lines have terminii seemingly in the middle of nowhere... because they do. They basically built track till they ran out of money for that line, and that's where the line ended. The rt3, 5, 6, 11 are all examples of this (there may well be others). I'm not even sure the Glen Waverley line was even built when the tram lines were. But yes, extensions on all those to the nearest shops & rail station would be worthwhile.
Excellent video. One idea regarding Carnegie could be to use both of your suggestions making it a loop line and serving all the streets involved. Another tram extension that could be useful would be Airport West to Tullamarine Airport. Yes, a Metro or train line is planned, but this could be an extra line which could be built quite quickly.
Or, north along Truganini Rd, then into Neerim Rd and up Koornang Rd. Best of all worlds. I especially like the Victoria Street link. Also the extension to Doncaster seems a no-brainer.
That's quite informative, I once made a video a year ago detailing a lot of official planned tram extensions. There is a map from 1923 showing plenty of proposed tram extensions that were not built (the M&MTB General Scheme), some lines were even proposed for Williamstown and Heidelberg.
What about Sydney Rd Route 19 North Coburg. Ends at Bakers Rd (middle of nowhere). An Extention could easily be done on Sydney Rd adding connection to Fawkner Station and Cemetery and extend it to Mahoneys Rd/Camp Rd Campbellfield Plaza
Great suggestions, you have my vote. For the Route 5 to Darling Station extension, why not a single track loop along Hurstmon St, Clynden Ave, and Illowa St? Double track could be provided where the nature strip is on Clynden Ave, to allow for passing, or tram layover. For the Route 3 extension, go all out. To East Malvern, then along the old Outer Circle to Dandenong Rd, past Chaddy, left turn onto Wellington Rd, and terminate at Monash Uni.
I think if any tram route were to be built to Monash University it would be better to build a short shuttle from Huntingdale to Monash - otherwise it would be too long and indirect - and even that route already runs as a frequent bus, so it's probably not necessary. The other issue with what you say is that the intersection at Dandenong Road would be very dangerous due to the width of the road and the speeds of the cars, which is why I prefer the Chadstone Road route.
67 tram extensions: idea 1 - left into Koornang Road, straight up Darling Road, making routes 67 and 3 one continuous bi-directional loop. It serves Koornang Road shops, Carnegie Station and connects Carnegie with East Malvern. Idea 2 - right into Koornang Road, left into North Road and on to Huntingdale station and Monash Uni. Idea 3 - right into Koornang Road, left into Oakleigh Road, Kangaroo Road and terminating at Oakleigh station.
The car lobby would reject another tram line being built on Victoria St. Obviously cars have to drive all over it despite it being pox to actually drive a car into the city. With the Metro tunnel taking up most of the money I think any of these will be a ways off.
I could very easily see the route 72 being split into the 7 (City - Gardiner) and a new 72 (Heidelberg - Caulfield) at some point in the future, which I think would be extremely useful
Very interesting and you could extend a tram line along Arden street to the new Arden station. Also today is my birthday so could I say this is my present from @MetroManMelbourne?
Someone pointed out on Twitter that you could extend the Victoria St link from North Melbourne to Arden, which is probably a good idea. Hope you had a Happy Birthday!
Wasn't there a recent proposal to make a new tram/light rail line from Caulfield station (so just before the route 3 terminus) along Dandenong Road as a Chadstone tram link? One that would even be extended to Monash University. Granted this was also suggested as a cheaper alternative to building a heavy rail line to Rowville that would serve the same purpose, but eh it's an idea, even if the route 3 idea mentioned in this video seems shorter and cheaper. Something I've also wondered about is the connection between Footscray and the CBD tram wise. It feels like a pretty conspicuous gap, then again the western suburbs always had less developed tram lines anyway.
The Caulfield to Rowvile tram thing was proposed in 2018 and hasn't seen any update at all since then; it's now 7 years later, and it's essentially assumed to be dead. The gap between Footscray and the CBD tram lines has its origins in the initial development of the Footscray system radiating out from Footscray station (see my _Melbourne's Forgotten Tram Lines_ video). No one has ever bothered to fill it, because, plainly, the direct route along Footscray Road has absolutely nothing along it, and it parallels a high-quality train line, so you would basically be burning money.
I work in cbd and live in the malvern east/chadstone area, i always catch the route 3 tram home after a late shift because in the everning glen waverley line goes around the city loop after departing from flinders. I wish it gets extend a little bit, at least to malvern east station so it can save me 15min walk to home from the route 3 terminal😂
Looking at the map for 67, there's a third alternative. Left at Truganini Road, then right onto Neerim Road running all the way to Murrumbeena station.
All very sound suggestions and ones that it would seem logical to proceed with. Having said that, don't hold your breath waiting for something to happen. Unfortunately we have a government who is more interested in developing absurd projects such as the North East Link. Projects that are blown out of all proportion and that have created such extreme levels of debt such that there are no funds for anything else.
you know I've been thinking for a while that the 6 can be extended to Moonee Ponds junction or Essendon Station. This would allow an interchange between the 58, 59 and either the Craigieburn line or the 82
A better option would be to build a light rail line along the full length of Bell/Banksia Street from Heidelberg to Pascoe Vale a kilometre or so north
The extension of the 3 tram to Chadstone sounds great, but the sharp turn into Chadstone Road would probably require the acquisition of 1-3 properties on the corner to make the curve radius appropriate for trams.
You could probably make it work without any I think. Move the vehicle stop lines back from the intersection and slew the tracks to the outside to make the turn as gentle as possible. 25m radius on the inside track's centreline is ideal.
Great video! I feel that any extensions to the tram network are often ignored when trams can be a very quick, cheap and easy way of providing public transport to areas that are in need of it.
I don't know to be honest. It's the same thing with SRL - it shouldn't cost anywhere near $1.5bn/km to build a tunnel, but it does. There's some interesting research on why transit costs so much in western countries (which I am nowhere near qualified to speak about), some of which has been discussed on RUclips
@@smedleyfarnsworth263 absolutely correct for all the Big Build projects. LXRP is absolutely justified as is the NE Link but the rail tunnels are securing Vic ALP coffers for sometime yet
@@damienbull9291 Not all of the LXRP projects needed to be done, Dublin Road Ringwood East, why, a minor road with little traffic? Nor do the stations need to be so grandiose.
I loved Melb trams. Spent a lot of time there and never hired a car and rarely caught a cab, just took trams everywhere. Sometimes just got on a random tram for a tour. Then Vic went completely insane with the Jabby Jabby Face Nappy Incarceration and I've never been back since.
The extension/update I would do would be to have the 75 continue through Burwood Rd instead of turning off, and to go down Camberwell Rd through the junction to connect to where it does now. This would better serve Auburn and Glenferrie train stations, Swinburne University, and all of the businesses along this stretch of road. This reroute/extension was part of the original vision of the 1930s tram network, but never got finished. Currently, the 75 diverts from Burwood Rd onto Power St and then Riversdale Rd, which is already served by the 70 tram. Riversdale Rd has a lot less commercial activity and it's bizarre that the Burwood Rd stretch is left to suffer congestion from cars, despite having so many businesses and a popular university.
I support this in theory, but sometimes it's necessary to remember that we don't have infinite money to build our dream network. In this case, building a line on Burwood/Camberwell Rds would duplicate a very frequent train line (~200m away) and tram line (~600m away) in what is already one of the best-served areas of Melbourne in terms of transit. It would be far better to build other extensions, even elsewhere on the 75 itself (such as from Vermont South to Knox/Upper Ferntree Gully) to add coverage in currently unserved areas.
Great video! Do you have any more info on the West Preston tram extension? I'm in that area and would love to help support this getting built - we're in desperate need of more connection infrastructure this way up north.
I don't have much in the way of further information. If you want to help make it happen, I would suggest joining the PTUA (Public Transport Users Association), and talking to your local council/state MP to advocate for it.
There's a really low hanging fruit that will serve well to connect Collingwood to Sth Yarra. Right now it's faster to walk from Collingwood to Sth Yarra then to catch 3 trams 86 > 109/12 > 78 or alternatively 86 into the city then Sandringham line to Sth Yarra. All they need to do is instead of terminating 78 at Church/Victoria intersection connect the tracks to 109/12, which can be done overnight. Then add some 300m track turning into Collingwood from Victoria st along Smith street joining the tracks of 86, and extend the line 78 to Clifton Hill. These are the 2 busiest suburbs in Yarra and Stonington councils, yet the connectivity between the two is abysmal.
Regarding putting a heavy train link to Chadstone, how about linking Ashburton and Oakleigh stations. The easement is largely there and it is only a short distance. A station at Chadstone could easily be included.
Not a tram extension but is there any reason that the Alamein line couldn't be extended to finish at East Malvern, even as a seperate platform across the freeway. It always struck me that this would allow an easy link between lines making the access across the network better.
Current easiest way to visit Chadstone is train to Oakleigh (Cranbourne, Pakenham) and take one of many bus lines from Oakleigh to Chadstone Otherwise, train to Caulfield (Cranbourne, Pakenham, Frankston) and take 900 bus. Much better than taking slow trains to East Malvern.
Yeah, I’d have that extension from East Malvern continue to terminate at Oakleigh rather than terminate at Chadstone. For not much more track, you’d connect a lot more people a heck of a lot more efficiently
I was looking at your proposal for cross city and I love it, but it got me thinking how annoyingly disconnected Arden is from the Craigieburn and Upfield lines. I was thinking you could extend the line from North Melbourne to Arden, but that would be similar to taking a train back from Footscray to North Melbourne. While it would be great to put some more rail in the outer suburbs - especially some trams to ferry people to train stations - I do think inner suburban connections like this can be just as useful for people who don't live in these areas. Being able to get more places more directly is great for longer distance commuters. People who live in these areas can often fill gaps by driving (I do, and I do).
The problem is that the White Elephant suburban rail loop has sucked up all the funds in the State so nothing else can be built. Even the modest Park Street South Melbourne extension has been canceled as a result.
I wouldn't mind being able to cut across the city, rather than go into the city, just to get to the other side. However, it's a long time to wait for it to be built. Still, it will probably be completed before we even get a rail link to the Airport.
Sending another tram route into the St Vincent's Plaza terminus might cause problems with the existing 30 tram. Might need to build another terminus in the area, or replace the 30 with another route. The 12 has been suggested, but is currently not viable to do using only low capacity, high floor A class trams - definitely inadequate for peak hour demand and providing no accessible trams on La Trobe in this case.
Instead of shortening the tracks on Acland St they should have extended them, turning right onto Barkly St then left onto Glenhuntly Rd and left again onto Brighton Rd to create a route through Elwood.
I Subbed you as i like a young person with ideas to help our city a few in power need to not be driven around to see Problems that can solve with a few small Projects. A few of your ideas are Generational to old thinking... Trams should be running all the time no End Stops = hence should be Loops connecting to another Tram Line so Trams run often = no delays. Think you need to think about how alot the Northern Trams will be busier with the new Metro Train Line to open soon(Again a Few Lines should run a Loop to these Stations not to City,these Trains will take 14 Trams worth of Passengers every few minutes) I really think,many of the current Tram Line's will be needing a upgrade. 67 Should be as your video but connecting all 4 Tram Lines to North(Up Darling around to Malvern Road other 3 Trams Lines to be extended East)it will than be Loops that will be 100'0s better than you can remove many Buses that connect all the above. 11 use to be up to Edwards was removed showing my age not enough Customers.Alamein Train Line should be taken underground via Chadstone linking up to Tram/Train interchange like Anzac..... come out at West of Oakleigh Station....this will link up most of the Southern and Eastern Trams if taken to a Eastern Loop Super Station. Having Multiple Loops will also give Options for Trams to keep moving should 1 Line be Closed for Accidents etc.The Train Line option would give the Trains a option to still run should something happen.The Former Inner Eastern Train Line should have a Tram Line,in 3 Sections to have most Tram Lines to be Loops allowing better connections between parts of city that you have no Option currently to go nearly into Melbourne via Train or Tram(many buses cover these missing Links now but isn't going to take the City into future.
Sometimes I think that we'll never be able to fix our public transport and I should just piss off to Europe or something. But then I remember that in spite of its flaws our trams are the world's largest and our suburban trains are some of the world's best - it wouldn't be enormously hard to make our Public Transport better with only a few small upgrades
The 86 needs to be extended to Plenty Valley Westfield/South Morang Station. I don't know if there is a valid argument for it, other than pure selfish reasons on my part.
When l was a young Lad at school mid “60’s”. A study course was proposed for Melbourne railway system and the study produced Government plans,land and been set aside to connect Sandringham to Cheltenham, also Frankston to Cranbourne. However over time to land was sold. What a waste.
It was such a wasted opportunity to not use the construction on Footscray road to extend the 75 to near Footscray station. It would give those who are on the sunbury line to change onto the tram network to get into docklands over having to go through the new tunnel as an option. Plus the tram that goes to Footscray currently takes way too long!
The 75 to Footscray makes no sense. There’s absolutely nothing between the city and Footscray along Footscray road, so you’d just be duplicating an existing (and very frequent) train line for no extra coverage at all.
48 to Doncaster and probably Donvale, 75 to Upper Ferntree Gully, 86 to Hawkstowe, 57 to Keilor East Station (on the future Airport Line), 59 to Melbourne Airport, new 81 Footscray - Sydenham via Ballarat Rd, Station Rd, Kings Rd, Rowville to Gardenvale (North/Wellington Rd LRT), Heidelberg - Pascoe Vale (Bell St LRT), various lines in the Hoppers Crossing area, I could go on forever...
Why does light rail cost so much? 50M per km just to put some railway lines and electrical lines down the middle of a road and some concrete stops on the side? crazy
In my ideal tram network, I'd have the 82 take over the long route from Moonee Ponds Junction to Essendon, and have the 59 run direct along Mount Alexander Road; however, I think that with the Craigieburn line only a few hundred metres away, anyone travelling long distances is likely to change to a train at Essendon anyway, so there probably wouldn't be a need for this extension
Not a chance unless SRL get scrapped or regional train and coch network gets dismantled leaving everything outside metropolitan Melbourne without public transport or any government services.
That joke about Reservoir extension of the Route 11 is off - the Parliamentary Budget Office report says 2043 opening for SRL North Section 1 to Reservoir so much sooner than 30 years.
@@MetroManMelbourne Funding is already tight and most of the other projects you mentioned are more worthwhile if they are doing anything, especially in a corridor already planned and actively being worked on for heavy rail. But I think their focus should be on actually meeting their legal requirements for accessibility first, Melb is way behind peer cities with large legacy tram networks.
the issue with that is that you would create an extremely dangerous junction where the tram needs to turn into Dandenong Road - that road is very wide and cars are going very fast, I suspect there would be a lot of crashes - so I chose the other route.
@@MetroManMelbourne The tram could run on the north side of Dandy Rd in reserved track, it would not cross the traffic and will have minimal impact on the traffic flow. In any case, even if the tram did cross the traffic, the junction would be designed to make it safe. Even speeding cars will stop at red lights!
In my opinion the absolute worst is the 75 - the last tram terminates in the middle of nowhere with no connecting buses and no train stations within walking distance. Its a joke! As a woman getting stranded there late at night once, it was an absolute nightmare.
To be fair that sounds like a bus problem rather than a tram one given the service hours - 75 ends at a bus interchange and mid-size shopping complex which is the most notable landmark between Knox and Burwood One. I'm sure the residents near the end of the route (as you recognise, not near any other rail) appreciate the service. Men never experience such nightmares - famously they've developed the ability to teleport their way out of any inconvenient or unsafe situations
you forgot one was the route 59 tram route flinders street to airport west extension to melbourne airport it would be more easier for people who live in the Northwest suburbs there
First things first, more smart buses in the outer suburbs AND reducing the tickets price by at least half considering we have some of the most expensive public transport relative to wages in the world
As someone who works in constriction, I think your proposed costs are a little optimistic. Some of the extensions are not possible due to space and therefore safety limitations.
For what it's worth, I have absolutely zero qualifications in any of construction, transit planning, engineering etc. - I'm sure there are a lot of problems with what I'm suggesting, but I think that doesn't mean it's not worth talking about
ROUTE 5 SHOULD GO PAST THE MALVERN PRIVATE HOSPITAL WITH A STOP RIGHT OUT THE FRONT, THEN TO DARLING STATION, GIVING THE ELDRERLY AND DISABLED PASSENGERS EASY ACCESS TO THE HOSPITAL
It bugs me to no end that if we just stopped expanding roads and building new ones, we'd have piles of money to massively expand the network. Soooo many roads can be made single lane each way without even reducing throughput all that much, because, ya know, lights. Makes me sad how car brained we are.
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As a local I completely agree that the 3, 5 and 57 should receive the extensions you proposed. However instead of terminating the 3 at Chadstone, what if instead it continued down Poath road to terminate at Hughesdale station. It would provide another great train connection and make possible further extensions easier to implement.
If I were the treasurer, I would grant you these brilliant ideas.
These aren't new ideas. They are from The Greens tram route extension plan.
hear hear
Sorry, Pallis spent the money already💲🤑
@@soulsphere9242 Many have been in plans for years (excluding the extension to Chadstone), including the key 1969 transport plan
other tram extensions i would like to see:
- extension of the 75 to Knox
- new turning point at the Elizabeth St/Flinders St intersection
- extension of the 75 to Footscray
- extension of 48 to Doncaster
- extension of 58 with left turn to terminate at Glenferrie
- extension of 6 to Glen Iris Station
64 to Moorabbin as well and a future extension to Southland S/C
If you want to dream real big, how about extending route 6 to Knox, connecting with route 75. I like the Footscrat extension idea.
58 should be extended to Hartwell to connect with route 75.
The Westgate Tunnel works on Footscray Road could have been a great opportunity to build a tram line to Footscray
59 from airport West to the airport
I may well make a second video talking about some of these!
My hope is that when LXRP is complete they'll move over to a tram line improvement project. These would be good projects to start on while they prepare larger projects.
West Preston extension to Reservoir station has been discussed as far back as the 60s. Gilbert Road is wide enough to accommodate this extension.
What about the South Melbourne simple link that's just been scrapped? That was a terrible decision to cancel that project, as part of Metro Tunnel.
I wasn't certain whether or not they were going ahead with that - now that it's definitely cancelled, I may cover it in a future video
ahhhh yes that route 5 and 3 extension. One time I had to talk about several tram extensions for a school project and I specifically mentioned those two but one thing about the route 5 terminus is that it should also be extended to chadstone to provide a higher frequency along waverley road with route 3 as well as ensuring that it is served by partially low floor trams as route 3 is currently entirely high floor trams. Also thanks for the shoutout on my video (this is my other account)
What a brilliant video. I think the government should take notice of your suggestions all of which are incredibly sensible and would facilitate public transport travel in Melbourne.
Ian Nosworthy
Its interesting to see how close some trams get to train stations without actually linking to them, and the History behind that
These extensions are quite similar to the Box Hill Exention of the now Route 109 I believe, so its quite feasible that they could/should happen one day sooner rather then later.
Nice & Interesting Video!
Tram 19 also terminates in a random spot in North Coburg where there's almost nothing around. It would make sense to extend it towards Fawkner or perhaps even up to Campbellfield Plaza (but that would probably cost enough to bankrupt a small European country)
I agree with you 100%! Tram should go under Sydney Rd to Boundary Rd. A train station should be built at Campbellfield (there is room); dupiicate the train line etc. The State Govt scrapped the duplication of the Upfield train line on New Years Day 2025!
Excellent suggestions - time to think bigger though with pressure put on government to commit to light rail being integrated with the strategic planning of the 50 centres identified for urban intensification. I’m also old to remember a proposal to provide a tram network as infrastructure to incentivize the Fishermen’s Bend urban renewal development project with that linked into Docklands. However the failure to extend trams along Footscray Rd from Docklands to Footscray as part of the Westgate tunnel project tells us that such imaginative thinking is the exception rather than the rule.
I think they should extend the Airport West tram to the airport since we will probably never get a train there.
While I like the principle of the idea, as a passenger transport it would be zero. People are not going to use a slow tram with multiple suitcases from across Melbourne . It might suit those on that side and with little luggage.
Yes to an airport tram extension, ideally in addition to the train because they will (eventually) take very different paths between airport and city, so the team would still be adding a lot of value in its own right. And I reckon it would be possible to fit the vehicles plying this route with luggage racks similar to what dedicated airport buses and trains have in other parts of the world. This combined with low floors and accessible stops will make the tram a viable option for air passengers and airport staff anywhere north of the CBD
that would be great for workers living in that area, but not for anybody else
@@xr6ladEssendon airport used to have a tram terminal at the airport terminal… It was removed in the 1980’s.
@@alexmccutcheon7381 Yes! Agree absolutely! Other cities in the world have special model trams. There is plenty of space down the middle of the road all along to the airport. There could be "special" airport trams with limited stops into the city so as to decrease the time of the journey. I am sure it would be considerably cheaper than a train. Melbourne transport to the airport is an embarrassment. Even small cities like Oslo have an excellent airport train and a tram connection in Melbourne would use a great deal of infrastructure already in place.
Another major but simple extension would be connecting Routes 58 & 75 along Toorak Road, from Kooyong to Glen Iris. It currently has not even a bus service along this section. A dead zone. Would connect to many other tram/train lines & bus services.
My pitch is 1.5/2 lines in the west between Hoppers Crossing, Tarneit and Werribee Stations.
It'd hit a shit ton of community services, shopping centres and would drastically improve the walkability of the entire region
Completely agree with this. I'd like to see a few new massive tram routes in the west - a few centred on both Sunshine and Hoppers Crossing would be very welcome
You'd sooner see a new line starting in Melton.
THANK YOU, YES
it would complement the overextended buses, and make ppl actually use public transport more in the congested west (saying this as a privileged point cook user)
@@The_Jazziest_Coffee Absolutely, the bus routes around here are an embarrassment.
I’m in Westbrook and would barely be near such a tram service myself; but running something down Derrimut Rd and forking to Hoppers and Werribee would be a no-brainer. So many schools, shops, services, pools.
Could make for a fantastic medium density corridor.
But that would require forward thinking politics
Agreed a tram line connecting Wyndham Vale to Hoppers Crossing via Heaths Rd/ Werribee Plaza with ext.to Williams Landing/Pt Cook Town centre . Werribee to Tarneit via Werribee Plaza/Derrimut Rd.
Advocacy tip: In addition to simply providing additional connections, building what you suggest would also make things easier during disruptions, both planned and unplanned. If you for example need to stop traffic on the inner section of one of those rail lines during a weekend, you could just use the trams that normally aren't in use on week ends instead of using replacement buses. Also if the tram line has to be cut, a few trams could be stored on the outer section shuttling back and forth between the rail station and nearby tram stops.
It won't give you much comfort, but there are similar examples elsewhere.
Berlin has a gap between Krumme Lanke at southwestern end of one of the metro lines and Mexicoplatz on the S-Bahn network. It's been like this for over a century, and now there are at least some plans to fill in this gap.
I love our Melbourne Trams, and any public transport extension benefits us all. Great eposide.
There was also a proposal to extend the route 11 tram to Keon Park station via Best Street & Botha Avenue and one to extend the 86 tram to Mernda station via Bush Boulevard. I think both of these would be worthwhile projects.
While living in Preston without a car, the lack of connections between trams and trains let alone traveling sideways around Melbourne drove me nuts. On a hot or wet day it was awful. Great plan!
The tram line from Westfield in Airport West should have been extended to the airport decades ago and it wouldn't cost a fortune.
quick thought on the first one, make both alternatives and build it as a loop, avoid turnover time, and maybe if there are two sets of tracks, there could be one or more lanes end or start there in distant future...
Great video mate, very insightful and concise
no way you're still alive??
@ just hiding in the shadows, hoping to post again soon
Great ideas! Interesting the way the networks were originated to deliberately keep rail and trams separate. The folly of private systems.
For the 67 extension, you could shorten it with a 3rd option, directly along Graceburn Ave, with two property acquisitions to get to Carnegie Rd
i’d also extend the 109 to Ringwood. Gives people another option for transport & can be a direct connection to several schools along Maroondah Highway, as well as shopping districts, especially the western side of Ringwood. Additionally, it would allow for future branch line to Doncaster (a second one following an extension of the 48)
That would cost an awful lot of money to parallel an existing line - there are many far better locations to build more tram routes
300m of distance is just a few seconds of extra time for the 67 tram, especially considering its long length already, and would definitely be worth it in terms of increased connectivity. Additionally it makes use of some existing tramway, though the current single track Truganini terminus would have to go.
If there's a part 2, I'd suggest the route 48 to Doncaster
Nth Balwyn to Doncaster is another extension just as Vermont to Knox city
What about the tram that stops at Vermont? Extend to Knox.
We need the trams to be completely separated from car traffic before these changes you suggest.
I vaguely remember there was a proposal many years ago to extend the No.64 tram to Southland shopping center along the Nepean Hwy.
When the Nepean Hwy was widened in the 1970s the original design allowed for a reserved track tramway running from Elsternwick to Moorabbin. It would have been a new direct route rather than an extension of the 64. The Libs were in power then so it didn't get beyond the planning stage.
@@AshleyReynolds-vc6ly I thought because of the extension of Southland in the late 1980s , they proposed to extend the 64 route to Southland. Then the proposal was shorten to Moorabbin Station. Then the proposal was scrapped.
@@ctwentysevenj6531 There were prob lots of options to the proposal. I know Elsternwick to Moorabbin was planned with the highway widening. You are prob right that there was a 'bigger' option to go to Southland and a 'smaller' option to extend it only from the 64. Couldn't have been many votes in it bc nothing got built!
A lot of the classic tram lines have terminii seemingly in the middle of nowhere... because they do.
They basically built track till they ran out of money for that line, and that's where the line ended.
The rt3, 5, 6, 11 are all examples of this (there may well be others).
I'm not even sure the Glen Waverley line was even built when the tram lines were.
But yes, extensions on all those to the nearest shops & rail station would be worthwhile.
Excellent video. One idea regarding Carnegie could be to use both of your suggestions making it a loop line and serving all the streets involved. Another tram extension that could be useful would be Airport West to Tullamarine Airport. Yes, a Metro or train line is planned, but this could be an extra line which could be built quite quickly.
Or, north along Truganini Rd, then into Neerim Rd and up Koornang Rd. Best of all worlds.
I especially like the Victoria Street link. Also the extension to Doncaster seems a no-brainer.
Excellent ideas!
That's quite informative, I once made a video a year ago detailing a lot of official planned tram extensions. There is a map from 1923 showing plenty of proposed tram extensions that were not built (the M&MTB General Scheme), some lines were even proposed for Williamstown and Heidelberg.
It's quite interesting that that 1923 MMTB Scheme is still to some extent relevant today
What about Sydney Rd Route 19 North Coburg. Ends at Bakers Rd (middle of nowhere). An Extention could easily be done on Sydney Rd adding connection to Fawkner Station and Cemetery and extend it to Mahoneys Rd/Camp Rd Campbellfield Plaza
Great suggestions, you have my vote.
For the Route 5 to Darling Station extension, why not a single track loop along Hurstmon St, Clynden Ave, and Illowa St? Double track could be provided where the nature strip is on Clynden Ave, to allow for passing, or tram layover.
For the Route 3 extension, go all out. To East Malvern, then along the old Outer Circle to Dandenong Rd, past Chaddy, left turn onto Wellington Rd, and terminate at Monash Uni.
I think if any tram route were to be built to Monash University it would be better to build a short shuttle from Huntingdale to Monash - otherwise it would be too long and indirect - and even that route already runs as a frequent bus, so it's probably not necessary.
The other issue with what you say is that the intersection at Dandenong Road would be very dangerous due to the width of the road and the speeds of the cars, which is why I prefer the Chadstone Road route.
The east-west cross-city route across Victoria is a no-brainer. I think it should run from Vic Gardens to Nth Melb Station.
67 tram extensions:
idea 1 - left into Koornang Road, straight up Darling Road, making routes 67 and 3 one continuous bi-directional loop. It serves Koornang Road shops, Carnegie Station and connects Carnegie with East Malvern.
Idea 2 - right into Koornang Road, left into North Road and on to Huntingdale station and Monash Uni.
Idea 3 - right into Koornang Road, left into Oakleigh Road, Kangaroo Road and terminating at Oakleigh station.
The car lobby would reject another tram line being built on Victoria St. Obviously cars have to drive all over it despite it being pox to actually drive a car into the city. With the Metro tunnel taking up most of the money I think any of these will be a ways off.
Long-term, I'd love to see the #70 extended all the way to Heidelberg station for the suburban rail loop.
I could very easily see the route 72 being split into the 7 (City - Gardiner) and a new 72 (Heidelberg - Caulfield) at some point in the future, which I think would be extremely useful
Very interesting and you could extend a tram line along Arden street to the new Arden station. Also today is my birthday so could I say this is my present from @MetroManMelbourne?
Someone pointed out on Twitter that you could extend the Victoria St link from North Melbourne to Arden, which is probably a good idea.
Hope you had a Happy Birthday!
Route 19 to Campbellfield Plaza. I hope you add this option to a part 2 video .. please...
Wasn't there a recent proposal to make a new tram/light rail line from Caulfield station (so just before the route 3 terminus) along Dandenong Road as a Chadstone tram link? One that would even be extended to Monash University. Granted this was also suggested as a cheaper alternative to building a heavy rail line to Rowville that would serve the same purpose, but eh it's an idea, even if the route 3 idea mentioned in this video seems shorter and cheaper.
Something I've also wondered about is the connection between Footscray and the CBD tram wise. It feels like a pretty conspicuous gap, then again the western suburbs always had less developed tram lines anyway.
The Caulfield to Rowvile tram thing was proposed in 2018 and hasn't seen any update at all since then; it's now 7 years later, and it's essentially assumed to be dead.
The gap between Footscray and the CBD tram lines has its origins in the initial development of the Footscray system radiating out from Footscray station (see my _Melbourne's Forgotten Tram Lines_ video). No one has ever bothered to fill it, because, plainly, the direct route along Footscray Road has absolutely nothing along it, and it parallels a high-quality train line, so you would basically be burning money.
I work in cbd and live in the malvern east/chadstone area, i always catch the route 3 tram home after a late shift because in the everning glen waverley line goes around the city loop after departing from flinders. I wish it gets extend a little bit, at least to malvern east station so it can save me 15min walk to home from the route 3 terminal😂
But what about the line to Vermont South. It should always have been to the Knox shopping center !!
Connecting Route 82 to the city would be my dream 💭
Looking at the map for 67, there's a third alternative. Left at Truganini Road, then right onto Neerim Road running all the way to Murrumbeena station.
pretty good ideas,, I tip my hat to you
All very sound suggestions and ones that it would seem logical to proceed with. Having said that, don't hold your breath waiting for something to happen. Unfortunately we have a government who is more interested in developing absurd projects such as the North East Link. Projects that are blown out of all proportion and that have created such extreme levels of debt such that there are no funds for anything else.
you know I've been thinking for a while that the 6 can be extended to Moonee Ponds junction or Essendon Station. This would allow an interchange between the 58, 59 and either the Craigieburn line or the 82
A better option would be to build a light rail line along the full length of Bell/Banksia Street from Heidelberg to Pascoe Vale a kilometre or so north
The extension of the 3 tram to Chadstone sounds great, but the sharp turn into Chadstone Road would probably require the acquisition of 1-3 properties on the corner to make the curve radius appropriate for trams.
I've just had a look and it would probably only need to be one property.
You could probably make it work without any I think. Move the vehicle stop lines back from the intersection and slew the tracks to the outside to make the turn as gentle as possible. 25m radius on the inside track's centreline is ideal.
Great video! I feel that any extensions to the tram network are often ignored when trams can be a very quick, cheap and easy way of providing public transport to areas that are in need of it.
Thanks very much!
You could have a light rail section along the Princess hwy
Why are tram extensions so expensive? What exactly costs so much? The track? Overhead wires? Stops?
I would like an answer to that as well.
I don't know to be honest. It's the same thing with SRL - it shouldn't cost anywhere near $1.5bn/km to build a tunnel, but it does. There's some interesting research on why transit costs so much in western countries (which I am nowhere near qualified to speak about), some of which has been discussed on RUclips
@@MetroManMelbourne Well a possiblility is that the SRL is simply a conduit for funds to go from the public to the CFMEU.
@@smedleyfarnsworth263 absolutely correct for all the Big Build projects. LXRP is absolutely justified as is the NE Link but the rail tunnels are securing Vic ALP coffers for sometime yet
@@damienbull9291 Not all of the LXRP projects needed to be done, Dublin Road Ringwood East, why, a minor road with little traffic?
Nor do the stations need to be so grandiose.
I loved Melb trams. Spent a lot of time there and never hired a car and rarely caught a cab, just took trams everywhere. Sometimes just got on a random tram for a tour. Then Vic went completely insane with the Jabby Jabby Face Nappy Incarceration and I've never been back since.
Excellent graphics 🥳🥳
Thanks, I've really worked at trying to improve the quality of videos on this channel!
The extension/update I would do would be to have the 75 continue through Burwood Rd instead of turning off, and to go down Camberwell Rd through the junction to connect to where it does now. This would better serve Auburn and Glenferrie train stations, Swinburne University, and all of the businesses along this stretch of road. This reroute/extension was part of the original vision of the 1930s tram network, but never got finished. Currently, the 75 diverts from Burwood Rd onto Power St and then Riversdale Rd, which is already served by the 70 tram. Riversdale Rd has a lot less commercial activity and it's bizarre that the Burwood Rd stretch is left to suffer congestion from cars, despite having so many businesses and a popular university.
I support this in theory, but sometimes it's necessary to remember that we don't have infinite money to build our dream network. In this case, building a line on Burwood/Camberwell Rds would duplicate a very frequent train line (~200m away) and tram line (~600m away) in what is already one of the best-served areas of Melbourne in terms of transit. It would be far better to build other extensions, even elsewhere on the 75 itself (such as from Vermont South to Knox/Upper Ferntree Gully) to add coverage in currently unserved areas.
Great video! Do you have any more info on the West Preston tram extension? I'm in that area and would love to help support this getting built - we're in desperate need of more connection infrastructure this way up north.
I don't have much in the way of further information. If you want to help make it happen, I would suggest joining the PTUA (Public Transport Users Association), and talking to your local council/state MP to advocate for it.
Have you sent this video with a back up written presentation to PTV for future PT planning in the Melbourne Metro area?
There's a really low hanging fruit that will serve well to connect Collingwood to Sth Yarra. Right now it's faster to walk from Collingwood to Sth Yarra then to catch 3 trams 86 > 109/12 > 78 or alternatively 86 into the city then Sandringham line to Sth Yarra.
All they need to do is instead of terminating 78 at Church/Victoria intersection connect the tracks to 109/12, which can be done overnight. Then add some 300m track turning into Collingwood from Victoria st along Smith street joining the tracks of 86, and extend the line 78 to Clifton Hill.
These are the 2 busiest suburbs in Yarra and Stonington councils, yet the connectivity between the two is abysmal.
Regarding putting a heavy train link to Chadstone, how about linking Ashburton and Oakleigh stations. The easement is largely there and it is only a short distance. A station at Chadstone could easily be included.
Completely agree with this
Not a tram extension but is there any reason that the Alamein line couldn't be extended to finish at East Malvern, even as a seperate platform across the freeway. It always struck me that this would allow an easy link between lines making the access across the network better.
These are the things the spend-happy government should be doing instead of the grotesquely expensive rail loop. What about North Balwyn to Doncaster?
Current easiest way to visit Chadstone is train to Oakleigh (Cranbourne, Pakenham) and take one of many bus lines from Oakleigh to Chadstone Otherwise, train to Caulfield (Cranbourne, Pakenham, Frankston) and take 900 bus. Much better than taking slow trains to East Malvern.
Yeah, I’d have that extension from East Malvern continue to terminate at Oakleigh rather than terminate at Chadstone. For not much more track, you’d connect a lot more people a heck of a lot more efficiently
you can get a bus from any of the stations between caufield and huntingdale to chadstone.
Bused stop around 9pm. Having a tram would be bettet, as trams run until midnight.
I was looking at your proposal for cross city and I love it, but it got me thinking how annoyingly disconnected Arden is from the Craigieburn and Upfield lines. I was thinking you could extend the line from North Melbourne to Arden, but that would be similar to taking a train back from Footscray to North Melbourne.
While it would be great to put some more rail in the outer suburbs - especially some trams to ferry people to train stations - I do think inner suburban connections like this can be just as useful for people who don't live in these areas. Being able to get more places more directly is great for longer distance commuters. People who live in these areas can often fill gaps by driving (I do, and I do).
Someone pointed out exactly what you say about Arden on Twitter and if I could remake this video now and include that I absolutely would!
The problem is that the White Elephant suburban rail loop has sucked up all the funds in the State so nothing else can be built. Even the modest Park Street South Melbourne extension has been canceled as a result.
I wouldn't mind being able to cut across the city, rather than go into the city, just to get to the other side. However, it's a long time to wait for it to be built. Still, it will probably be completed before we even get a rail link to the Airport.
Sending another tram route into the St Vincent's Plaza terminus might cause problems with the existing 30 tram. Might need to build another terminus in the area, or replace the 30 with another route. The 12 has been suggested, but is currently not viable to do using only low capacity, high floor A class trams - definitely inadequate for peak hour demand and providing no accessible trams on La Trobe in this case.
Instead of shortening the tracks on Acland St they should have extended them, turning right onto Barkly St then left onto Glenhuntly Rd and left again onto Brighton Rd to create a route through Elwood.
I wish we had more public transport options for Chadstone tbh
I Subbed you as i like a young person with ideas to help our city a few in power need to not be driven around to see Problems that can solve with a few small Projects. A few of your ideas are Generational to old thinking... Trams should be running all the time no End Stops = hence should be Loops connecting to another Tram Line so Trams run often = no delays. Think you need to think about how alot the Northern Trams will be busier with the new Metro Train Line to open soon(Again a Few Lines should run a Loop to these Stations not to City,these Trains will take 14 Trams worth of Passengers every few minutes) I really think,many of the current Tram Line's will be needing a upgrade. 67 Should be as your video but connecting all 4 Tram Lines to North(Up Darling around to Malvern Road other 3 Trams Lines to be extended East)it will than be Loops that will be 100'0s better than you can remove many Buses that connect all the above. 11 use to be up to Edwards was removed showing my age not enough Customers.Alamein Train Line should be taken underground via Chadstone linking up to Tram/Train interchange like Anzac..... come out at West of Oakleigh Station....this will link up most of the Southern and Eastern Trams if taken to a Eastern Loop Super Station. Having Multiple Loops will also give Options for Trams to keep moving should 1 Line be Closed for Accidents etc.The Train Line option would give the Trains a option to still run should something happen.The Former Inner Eastern Train Line should have a Tram Line,in 3 Sections to have most Tram Lines to be Loops allowing better connections between parts of city that you have no Option currently to go nearly into Melbourne via Train or Tram(many buses cover these missing Links now but isn't going to take the City into future.
Bring back the Holden Street tram, St Georges Road to Lygon Street!
It must be so hard being the Metro Man knowing how far behind our system is.
Sometimes I think that we'll never be able to fix our public transport and I should just piss off to Europe or something. But then I remember that in spite of its flaws our trams are the world's largest and our suburban trains are some of the world's best - it wouldn't be enormously hard to make our Public Transport better with only a few small upgrades
@MetroManMelbourne I live in a PT deadzone. I hate it, we really need more decentralised planning aided by expanded metro projects
why not keon park via reservoir stations for route 11 and theres a bus to latrobe uni from reservoir
how do you propose to link to Keon Park *via* Reservoir?
The 86 needs to be extended to Plenty Valley Westfield/South Morang Station. I don't know if there is a valid argument for it, other than pure selfish reasons on my part.
When l was a young Lad at school mid “60’s”. A study course was proposed for Melbourne railway system and the study produced Government plans,land and been set aside to connect Sandringham to Cheltenham, also Frankston to Cranbourne. However over time to land was sold. What a waste.
Koornang rd. is pretty narrow.
Carnegie extension??? Why oh why
It was such a wasted opportunity to not use the construction on Footscray road to extend the 75 to near Footscray station. It would give those who are on the sunbury line to change onto the tram network to get into docklands over having to go through the new tunnel as an option. Plus the tram that goes to Footscray currently takes way too long!
The 75 to Footscray makes no sense. There’s absolutely nothing between the city and Footscray along Footscray road, so you’d just be duplicating an existing (and very frequent) train line for no extra coverage at all.
What extensions would you do for the outer suburbs too?
48 to Doncaster and probably Donvale, 75 to Upper Ferntree Gully, 86 to Hawkstowe, 57 to Keilor East Station (on the future Airport Line), 59 to Melbourne Airport, new 81 Footscray - Sydenham via Ballarat Rd, Station Rd, Kings Rd, Rowville to Gardenvale (North/Wellington Rd LRT), Heidelberg - Pascoe Vale (Bell St LRT), various lines in the Hoppers Crossing area, I could go on forever...
Why does light rail cost so much? 50M per km just to put some railway lines and electrical lines down the middle of a road and some concrete stops on the side? crazy
You're forgetting the dedicated substation which is probably required (including redundancy), and the maze of red tape to do anything
I’d hope it would cost a lot less than $50 million for 900 metres on route 67.
So would I, but I am pessimistic that it could be any cheaper...
Extend the 82 tram from Footscray to Essendon Station.
In my ideal tram network, I'd have the 82 take over the long route from Moonee Ponds Junction to Essendon, and have the 59 run direct along Mount Alexander Road; however, I think that with the Craigieburn line only a few hundred metres away, anyone travelling long distances is likely to change to a train at Essendon anyway, so there probably wouldn't be a need for this extension
How likely are these to be built?
Not a chance unless SRL get scrapped or regional train and coch network gets dismantled leaving everything outside metropolitan Melbourne without public transport or any government services.
Hmm, I feel like Koornang road is already fairly congested, and a tram wouldn't help with that
Remove the parking when you put the tram in. Simples
You're suggesting say $50 million for one km of track? What's going wrong in Sydney, Canberra and the Gold Coast?
Just do all this!
That joke about Reservoir extension of the Route 11 is off - the Parliamentary Budget Office report says 2043 opening for SRL North Section 1 to Reservoir so much sooner than 30 years.
Even still, running the 11 to La Trobe Uni would be a great stop-gap measure and could be retained even after SRL opens.
@@MetroManMelbourne Funding is already tight and most of the other projects you mentioned are more worthwhile if they are doing anything, especially in a corridor already planned and actively being worked on for heavy rail. But I think their focus should be on actually meeting their legal requirements for accessibility first, Melb is way behind peer cities with large legacy tram networks.
Route 3 to Chaddy should go via the Outer Circle then Dandy Rd. Shorter, faster, reserved track.
the issue with that is that you would create an extremely dangerous junction where the tram needs to turn into Dandenong Road - that road is very wide and cars are going very fast, I suspect there would be a lot of crashes - so I chose the other route.
@@MetroManMelbourne The tram could run on the north side of Dandy Rd in reserved track, it would not cross the traffic and will have minimal impact on the traffic flow. In any case, even if the tram did cross the traffic, the junction would be designed to make it safe. Even speeding cars will stop at red lights!
In my opinion the absolute worst is the 75 - the last tram terminates in the middle of nowhere with no connecting buses and no train stations within walking distance. Its a joke! As a woman getting stranded there late at night once, it was an absolute nightmare.
To be fair that sounds like a bus problem rather than a tram one given the service hours - 75 ends at a bus interchange and mid-size shopping complex which is the most notable landmark between Knox and Burwood One. I'm sure the residents near the end of the route (as you recognise, not near any other rail) appreciate the service. Men never experience such nightmares - famously they've developed the ability to teleport their way out of any inconvenient or unsafe situations
you forgot one was the route 59 tram route flinders street to airport west extension to melbourne airport it would be more easier for people who live in the Northwest suburbs there
First things first, more smart buses in the outer suburbs AND reducing the tickets price by at least half considering we have some of the most expensive public transport relative to wages in the world
As someone who works in constriction, I think your proposed costs are a little optimistic. Some of the extensions are not possible due to space and therefore safety limitations.
For what it's worth, I have absolutely zero qualifications in any of construction, transit planning, engineering etc. - I'm sure there are a lot of problems with what I'm suggesting, but I think that doesn't mean it's not worth talking about
agree, especially a tram line down Koornang Rd Carnegie as #2 proposal for that area- already very tight with cars. #1 would be better
ROUTE 5 SHOULD GO PAST THE MALVERN PRIVATE HOSPITAL WITH A STOP RIGHT OUT THE FRONT, THEN TO DARLING STATION, GIVING THE ELDRERLY AND DISABLED PASSENGERS EASY ACCESS TO THE HOSPITAL
The North Melbourne-St. Vincents Plaza route should be extended towards Chapel Street, while retaining its' route number.
Or just reroute the 30 to North Melbourne and then reroute 12 along La Trobe street and lastly boost the 109 tram frequency.
And I want a train to Mornington.
I dont live in melbourne I think 59-Airport West/Matthews Ave could be extincted to Tullamarine Airport
skybus, dont want any public transport at the airport and pay off the govt to stop this.
@@2_pelicans that would be right yet the cost goes up and not fair for tourist
This extension has been rumoured for decades now. Train link to airport looks like it will eventually happen. 11:26
Tram 64 to Bentleigh Station
The costings make me laugh. I wish they would cost this much.
It bugs me to no end that if we just stopped expanding roads and building new ones, we'd have piles of money to massively expand the network.
Soooo many roads can be made single lane each way without even reducing throughput all that much, because, ya know, lights.
Makes me sad how car brained we are.
Am I the only one who finds the cost estimates literally insane? $50m for
It's in line with international standards - I also think the prices are ridiculous but I am unsure what could be done about it