An introduction to the formation of Irish clan names and their association to specific ancestry and medieval and early modern territorial organisation.
I am English with no Irish connection and for some reason the algorithm decided l would like this and it is correct. Always interested to learn something about Ireland
JUST EXCELLENT. As a Malone in America, it is fascinating to learn my history. I have done some research as well as my son. Curiously when we did a DNA test e came out mostly English and Scottish, with some Irish. My son, who is a serious researcher, found out that while we have both Malone in Wexford and Gallowglass Campbell in Northern Ireland, the vast majority of out DNA came from a Welsh ancsetor (Ellis) who emigrated to Dublin Ireland in the 1700s. So we are pretty much mixed up, but mostly from the Island of Ireland who emigratede to the USA during the famine. Personally, I identify my self as American with primarily Irish heritage coming from the Island of Ireland. I am having mny son look into clans, as we may belong to the Malone and perhaps the Campbell clans. Thank you so much for this., I learned a great deal.
Haven't drank some cabbage water in a few year's,I live it with a pinch of pepper magic.Since my granny and mum passing no more cabbage water. Make my own one of these days ✌️☘️
I’m only 1/3 of the way through this video… which really fascinates me. Primarily due to your choice of words in terms of the Irish inclination to remember the voices of our ancestors
my mothers people were from Lester, her last name was Lester also. apparently they were noted sheep breeders/farmers. the name wexford was also mentioned. she left ireland with her husband by the name of Pollock when she was young. they sailed to ontario, canada, and pioneered. they built their homestead farm. Charlotte R. Lester was my gr. gr. grandmother...from an upstanding background. ( i think she eloped !) it is so very interesting to know these things.
Thank you for this most interesting explanatory analysis re Ireland's Heritage! I know I'm in there somewhere? did some time in past read my family name which back in times & onwards had it's letters considerably changed to how it's spelled to day and elsewhere apart from 'Killkenny' all best!
@@garyoconnordbaairrepair7775 whether your grandparents were driven out or just left due a sense of adventure, rest assured you have many relatives still in Co. Kerry. Although, they say about the O'Connors, they are known to this day for robbing banks to withdraw their own money just because they dont like filling out the forms.
How're ya man, Irishman here. When reading your comment I saw something funny which made me want to clarify something. It was the way you said contae ciarrai descent. We would just say ciarrai descent but I think and forgive me if I'm wrong here, you said it because you guys name the 'county' part of placenames? How are things doing over there at the moment? Did you ever come back and visit for a cup of tea?
I didn't know Clans of Ireland was still operating. Its a nice idea, and it would be quite nice for it to remain in place. Hopefully, they will continuing to receving goverment backing and move into DNA mapping which will help us understand our collective history and the ancient texts which proport to tell our story and may be verified throught research.
My Irish ancestors emigrated in the late 1700s. Their surname was Ragan. They claimed to be of County Cork, although they sailed out of Shannon. The emigrant, Private John Ragan also served in the Continental Army.
Saint Bridget, daughter of Conchraidh mac Tal was reputed to have crossed paths with Saint Senan. If that statement holds any truth, someone went a long way back to find us a Surname. If anyone thinks that being thin on the ground means anything, my great grandfather left Ireland around 1850 - you should see how many Dal gCais now live in my part of the state of Victoria
A very impressive presentation about genealogy; my takeaway is that what's in a name isn't written in flesh & blood & that place & time may make a greater difference.
In hopes that I find my Irish roots. Carroll and Quirke. My Grandfather (Robert Carroll) left Ireland, county Cork for the usa in 1900. My Grandmother (Mary Quirk, or Quirke) left county Tipperary for the US in 1906.
Our ancient ancestors all shared a profound understanding and held the science of Earth reverently.. The impression written history gives depicts a false narrative, our true history stolen.. There's a spirit of the Irish, perhaps this reflects ancient clann 🙏
My parents where both from Derry my dad was a catholic and my mum was a president. I have ancestors in Donegal and my great grandparents on my dads side was from Maghera and my mums I think Carrickfergus. Thank you for sharing this video
I assume my ancestors were from 5he english plantation period as the surnames seem english. They were from Co Fermanagh and Tyrone; Robinson, Keys, Johnston are the main lines. They came to USA in early 1830s.
On my Maternal side, my Grandfather was a descendant from the O'Brien's and Curtin's. We never got far back enough to know if our O'Brien's were born directly from Brion Boru. Apparently, from what I learned there are O'Brien's in Ireland that didn't come directly from Brian Boru. It would be nice if we were directly from him.
@dianebremer9408 go back far enough and you'll find a connection.We are a fairly tight country even though we fought a lot between ourselves. The name says it all regardless of what part of the country your from.✊☘️
Not sure which clan I would belong to - don't know as much about my dad's side of the family - kerry/Limerick I believe. Not that sure of my moms side either.
There are a lot of Americans whose heritage is mostly English, Irish, and Scottish. My Scottish ancestors immigrated to Ireland and then to America. My English ancestors immigrated to Canada, and then my grandfather immigrated to America from Canada.
Clans were generally associated with a geographical area of Scotland. For example Clan Armstrong originated in the Borders , the MacGregors in Argyll & Clan Campbell across much of the Scottish Highlands.
Kilteasheen-22 (960-1300 A.D.) and I are “a rare and close” Big Y DNA match says FTDNA. My surname is PAYNE but I have used primary/secondary sources over many years and found my ancestors had come out of Ireland into East Anglia via Leicestershire where Nicholas Payn is found at North Kilworth by 1333 with a Ralph BOTILLER I believe was likely of the hereditary Chief Butler of Ireland family as Nicholas’ son, John, became Chief Butler of England in 1399 and the family had intermarried with the Boleyns in Norfolk attached to that Irish clan as well as with other families that had deep interests in Ireland. Blomefield’s Norfolk also held that we descend from an Adam Payn, of Ireland. Interestingly, our genealogical records solidly suggest that we originated in Jersey and, according to the family in Jersey (still there today) they were part of the Paynel’s from Normandy, leading us to think we’re Norman/French. However DNA says I am 95.5% CELTIC! R1b RM269 type. I could use some help to understand it all and attempt to find traces of my family in Ireland at this early time, likely in Roscommon. However, I have also found Payne’s elsewhere including 2 Payne Bishops - of Armagh and Cork- near this time too. If anyone can help Point me in the right direction I would be grateful as there is some very interesting history uncovered that needs to be told properly! Thank you for the consideration! Patrick Payne- Domesday to America Project on Facebook and RUclips.
I cannot find the History of my family name and in particular is it regarded as an Irish name and when and how it came to be known in Ireland ? The name of my family is Stynes and it is known around the world but I cant find a family crest while Irish family's all seem all to have one , Thanks to anyone who can Help .
My grandmother’s family were McNamaras from County Clare. I only know what my grandmother told me back in the 1970s. She said she had relatives in Clare and also in Mayo. They were poor, that I know, as most people in 19th Century western Ireland is. I would be unable to prove any of this, but I take my sainted grandmother’s word for it. I’ve been to Clare. I’ve been to our castle-Bunratty, which my brother and I reclaimed from the O’Briens during our visit to the throne room. On behalf of our particular McNamara diaspora to Northern New England, I’d like to say, we appreciate what the current owners have done with the place. As for who is related to whom, go back far enough, and everyone in the whole wide world is a cousin.
McNamaras from Achill Island, County Mayo. Our emigrant could not have been any taller than 4'10. But he got on that boat at age 15-yrs old and we are grateful. Enjoyed your post!
As an Aussie McNamara, I also enjoyed my visit to Bunratty. But according to a book I have "The Story of an Irish Sept - The Origin and History of the MacNamaras" first published in 1896, Bunratty is just one of more than 40 castles constructed by them as rulers of Clancullen in Clare from the 5th Century until their demise in the 15th Century. The book can be difficult to understand in parts but well worth a read if you have an interest.
@@2anthro thank you for saying this-Mom mentioned Mayo, but I didn’t have anything beyond that.Giving me the name of an island is a precious clue. I appreciate you! 💚
Having Family born in Cahirciveen,County Kerry ( i was born in London,but my Parents& Grandparents and so on are from Waterville,Kerry)So that's all i know.. But i was curious by the comments he underlined at 9.16 considering the lengths his Organization are willing to go with their research & investigating on the subject of the Historical irish linage..Why did he feel it necessary?
My family name is anglicized from Ó MAOILCHIARÁIN, or “Servant of St. Ciarán” - but if surnames weren’t used until 1100, then history better suggests that the name comes from someone who worked/lived at Clonmacnoise at the birth of surnames - am I correct in that thinking?
My family names are Ross and Kennedy which I understand can be either Irish OR Scottish? My genetic DNA and documented family history puts my family coming from South West Munster/ West Cork but I also have records and pictures of family coming from lowland Scotland area. Is there anyway to tell which one my family belonged to? Are they the same people just migrated to Ireland from Scotland? Just started my research and have a lot to figure out. :/
Chandler was my great great grand father coming from Ireland they say that catholique moved to Canada because of the potato famine my great great grandfather immigrated to Canada as a gentelman he was protestant. But I wonder from what region he came from he was freeman fleury or John. Tks if anybody has leads
Peter Gore Seer, There Is A New Irish Clan On The Block, Eastern European, A Big Change Of Territories, The Bankers Are Making Big Changes, You Need To Learn More Dilects, Polish, Ukrain, Pluss Much More.
Research on the Anglo-Irish suggests that as many as 40% were Irish families who converted, and I'm sure there was mixing between these indigenous families and the "settlers" or "colonists." There are also numerous examples of Anglo-Irish people adopting the general label "Irish" as a descriptor, and in the 18th Century something like a "cult of St. Patrick" emerged among Irish Anglicans. In the end, I think we need to move away from these narrow and exclusive definitions of 'Irish' and accept that, like most countries, Ireland had different ethnic and social classes that engaged with Irishness in different ways, and sometimes not at all. I don't really find the narrow approach educational, nor is there much evidence that the Anglo-Irish were perceived as "English colonists" by their class peers in England. Both the Duke of Wellington and Edmund Burke were caricatured as "Irishmen" in the British press, for example, and both had a rather mixed genealogy, although certainly upper class (especially Wellington).
I don’t know why he didn’t just say we are not classifying anyone as an Irish clan member who descends from the English. To qualify, do you have to have your DNA tested? For example the Y chromosome is passed from father to son so is an excellent indicator of someone’s origins.
I am fairly disappointed by this presentation - The Dal gCais Ydna group currently exceeds 1000 testers who have qualified for membership. I have been tracking our Crowes from Ceneuil Baoith whose last Chief from the Battle of Clontarf was Mael Meada The Mac Conchroes were described as warlike in the account of the Battle of Lough Raska - many Mac Enchroes served across hundreds of years but the Crowes are for the most part ignored by lazy academics who pick out their favourites for mention. The descendants of Aengus Cenn Nathrach are still on the surface of this planet and we have not forgotten our forebears .
Actually quite a bit is known about the Crowe, of Thomond at least. I am fairly sure that they are mentioned in the 14th century text, Cathréim Thoirdhealbhaigh, though it's evident that they were always a minor lineage whose hereditary estate appears to be near Slieve Callan, and is called Skeaghvicenroe. One branch became Protestant and were landlords in the 19th century-- that branch being the best known in Clare.
@@lukemcinerney7458 The warlike MacConchroes from Cenel Baoith were mentioned in the account of the battle of Lough Raska - Yourself I understand, uncovered various records from Inchiquin that mentioned various McEncroes. Dr Maire ni Mhaonaigh of Cambridge, has referred to Rawlinson 486 (a neglected account of the battle of Clontarf), where Mael Meada of Cenel Baoith was particularly singled out. His pedigree is shown in several manuscripts. My Ydna shows a direct link back to Cas. - In the book of the Brown Cow (Edinburgh), mention is made of Conchraidh mac Tal - Cas is also referred to as Cas mac Tal. I cannot progress any further at present. Since there is scant mention of Conchraidh and the selected surname for us was Mac Conchrada, I have presumed there is a close relationship to Cas
@@lukemcinerney7458 It is quite clear from my research that the tribal territory of Ceneul Baoith was the homeland of the Mac Conchroes, the MacEnchroes, the Chroes, the Crows, the Crowes the Croughs, the Crokes and last but certainly not least, Mael Meda who was present at the Battle of Clontarf. The latter is featured in a number of Genealogies showing his descent from Baoith, a son of Aoengus Cenn Nathrach and Cas mac Tal
So refreshing to listen to something that doesn't have an AI voiceover. ❤
I am English with no Irish connection and for some reason the algorithm decided l would like this and it is correct. Always interested to learn something about Ireland
JUST EXCELLENT. As a Malone in America, it is fascinating to learn my history. I have done some research as well as my son. Curiously when we did a DNA test e came out mostly English and Scottish, with some Irish. My son, who is a serious researcher, found out that while we have both Malone in Wexford and Gallowglass Campbell in Northern Ireland, the vast majority of out DNA came from a Welsh ancsetor (Ellis) who emigrated to Dublin Ireland in the 1700s. So we are pretty much mixed up, but mostly from the Island of Ireland who emigratede to the USA during the famine. Personally, I identify my self as American with primarily Irish heritage coming from the Island of Ireland. I am having mny son look into clans, as we may belong to the Malone and perhaps the Campbell clans. Thank you so much for this., I learned a great deal.
You know why this guy is so boring. He's not drunk. Break out the shelean.
To all Irish descent, remember the cabbage water to settle the stomach and for maximum absorption for iron/minerals 👍 🇮🇪
Haven't drank some cabbage water in a few year's,I live it with a pinch of pepper magic.Since my granny and mum passing no more cabbage water. Make my own one of these days ✌️☘️
I’m only 1/3 of the way through this video… which really fascinates me. Primarily due to your choice of words in terms of the Irish inclination to remember the voices of our ancestors
my mothers people were from Lester, her last name was Lester also. apparently they were noted sheep breeders/farmers. the name wexford was also mentioned. she left ireland with her husband by the name of Pollock when she was young. they sailed to ontario, canada, and pioneered. they built their homestead farm. Charlotte R. Lester was my gr. gr. grandmother...from an upstanding background. ( i think she eloped !) it is so very interesting to know these things.
Thank you for your work and generosity. We’re Colonial American McGuires with yDNA traced to Fermanagh. So much sad and turbulent history.
My mother was a McGuire, her mother was an O’Connell who told us that she had emigrated to USA from Claire.
Thank you for this most interesting explanatory analysis re Ireland's Heritage! I know I'm in there somewhere? did some time in past read my family name which back in times & onwards had it's letters considerably changed to how it's spelled to day and elsewhere apart from 'Killkenny' all best!
An excellent presentation - very informative & interesting. Many thanks..
Gearóid Ó Ceallaigh, Bravo! Absolutely very well done and said. Your very distant cousin Karen Mac Giolla Phádraig Dál gCais.
Great book by Dr. Mannion! Thank you for this! Well done.
I am a USA decendant from Contae Ciarrai ancestry. My GreatGrandParents moved to America near the late 1980s. My Irsih name is UaConchuir.
I'm guessing you mean 1880s? 🙂
@@mikeOnTheChoob Yes. My mistake.
@@garyoconnordbaairrepair7775 whether your grandparents were driven out or just left due a sense of adventure, rest assured you have many relatives still in Co. Kerry. Although, they say about the O'Connors, they are known to this day for robbing banks to withdraw their own money just because they dont like filling out the forms.
Iraghticonnor.
How're ya man, Irishman here. When reading your comment I saw something funny which made me want to clarify something. It was the way you said contae ciarrai descent. We would just say ciarrai descent but I think and forgive me if I'm wrong here, you said it because you guys name the 'county' part of placenames?
How are things doing over there at the moment? Did you ever come back and visit for a cup of tea?
I didn't know Clans of Ireland was still operating. Its a nice idea, and it would be quite nice for it to remain in place. Hopefully, they will continuing to receving goverment backing and move into DNA mapping which will help us understand our collective history and the ancient texts which proport to tell our story and may be verified throught research.
My mother's side is from Blacklion Cavan and west Cavan
That was very good. Informative and well presented.
My Irish ancestors emigrated in the late 1700s. Their surname was Ragan. They claimed to be of County Cork, although they sailed out of Shannon.
The emigrant, Private John Ragan also served in the Continental Army.
Saint Bridget, daughter of Conchraidh mac Tal was reputed to have crossed paths with Saint Senan. If that statement holds any truth, someone went a long way back to find us a Surname. If anyone thinks that being thin on the ground means anything, my great grandfather left Ireland around 1850 - you should see how many Dal gCais now live in my part of the state of Victoria
A very impressive presentation about genealogy; my takeaway is that what's in a name isn't written in flesh & blood & that place & time may make a greater difference.
In hopes that I find my Irish roots.
Carroll and Quirke.
My Grandfather (Robert Carroll) left Ireland, county Cork for the usa in 1900. My Grandmother (Mary Quirk, or Quirke) left county Tipperary for the US in 1906.
Keefe from Charleville, Cork. Rearden/Riorden from Cork. Also Dorsey and Barry (Commodore John).
Our ancient ancestors all shared a profound understanding and held the science of Earth reverently.. The impression written history gives depicts a false narrative, our true history stolen.. There's a spirit of the Irish, perhaps this reflects ancient clann 🙏
Scanlan here,been trying to find some history on the clan.The only thing I found out is our family name in it's original form meant contintion.
My parents where both from Derry my dad was a catholic and my mum was a president. I have ancestors in Donegal and my great grandparents on my dads side was from Maghera and my mums I think Carrickfergus. Thank you for sharing this video
Donegal.... me too.
Come from Keenan and O’Neill However, I know very little of the Keenan’s
I assume my ancestors were from 5he english plantation period as the surnames seem english. They were from Co Fermanagh and Tyrone; Robinson, Keys, Johnston are the main lines. They came to USA in early 1830s.
My familys name goes back to Brian brou and the battle of Clontarf ☘️
On my Maternal side, my Grandfather was a descendant from the O'Brien's and Curtin's. We never got far back enough to know if our O'Brien's were born directly from Brion Boru. Apparently, from what I learned there are O'Brien's in Ireland that didn't come directly from Brian Boru. It would be nice if we were directly from him.
@dianebremer9408 go back far enough and you'll find a connection.We are a fairly tight country even though we fought a lot between ourselves. The name says it all regardless of what part of the country your from.✊☘️
Not sure which clan I would belong to - don't know as much about my dad's side of the family - kerry/Limerick I believe. Not that sure of my moms side either.
There are a lot of Americans whose heritage is mostly English, Irish, and Scottish. My Scottish ancestors immigrated to Ireland and then to America. My English ancestors immigrated to Canada, and then my grandfather immigrated to America from Canada.
I'm an O'Neill from Rathlee near Sligo
From the “one”, Niall of the Nine Hostages
Outstanding, and Comprehensive. THANK YOU.❤☘️❤🍀❤
Clans were generally associated with a geographical area of Scotland. For example Clan Armstrong originated in the Borders , the MacGregors in Argyll & Clan Campbell across much of the Scottish Highlands.
Kilteasheen-22 (960-1300 A.D.) and I are “a rare and close” Big Y DNA match says FTDNA. My surname is PAYNE but I have used primary/secondary sources over many years and found my ancestors had come out of Ireland into East Anglia via Leicestershire where Nicholas Payn is found at North Kilworth by 1333 with a Ralph BOTILLER I believe was likely of the hereditary Chief Butler of Ireland family as Nicholas’ son, John, became Chief Butler of England in 1399 and the family had intermarried with the Boleyns in Norfolk attached to that Irish clan as well as with other families that had deep interests in Ireland. Blomefield’s Norfolk also held that we descend from an Adam Payn, of Ireland.
Interestingly, our genealogical records solidly suggest that we originated in Jersey and, according to the family in Jersey (still there today) they were part of the Paynel’s from Normandy, leading us to think we’re Norman/French. However DNA says I am 95.5% CELTIC! R1b RM269 type.
I could use some help to understand it all and attempt to find traces of my family in Ireland at this early time, likely in Roscommon.
However, I have also found Payne’s elsewhere including 2 Payne Bishops - of Armagh and Cork- near this time too.
If anyone can help
Point me in the right direction I would be grateful as there is some very interesting history uncovered that needs to be told properly!
Thank you for the consideration!
Patrick Payne- Domesday to America Project on Facebook and RUclips.
Thank you, thank you, thank you
Thank You! McDonagh's of Lough Arrow
I decent from Achille Islanders who were MCHugh/ Gallaghers.
I cannot find the History of my family name and in particular is it regarded as an Irish name and when and how it came to be known in Ireland ? The name of my family is Stynes and it is known around the world but I cant find a family crest while Irish family's all seem all to have one , Thanks to anyone who can Help .
O Meachair of Ui-cairin , still living in Tipp 💚
My grandmother’s family were McNamaras from County Clare. I only know what my grandmother told me back in the 1970s. She said she had relatives in Clare and also in Mayo. They were poor, that I know, as most people in 19th Century western Ireland is. I would be unable to prove any of this, but I take my sainted grandmother’s word for it. I’ve been to Clare. I’ve been to our castle-Bunratty, which my brother and I reclaimed from the O’Briens during our visit to the throne room. On behalf of our particular McNamara diaspora to Northern New England, I’d like to say, we appreciate what the current owners have done with the place. As for who is related to whom, go back far enough, and everyone in the whole wide world is a cousin.
I'm a McNamee and I was told our real name is McNamara also.
McNamaras from Achill Island, County Mayo. Our emigrant could not have been any taller than 4'10. But he got on that boat at age 15-yrs old and we are grateful. Enjoyed your post!
As an Aussie McNamara, I also enjoyed my visit to Bunratty. But according to a book I have "The Story of an Irish Sept - The Origin and History of the MacNamaras" first published in 1896, Bunratty is just one of more than 40 castles constructed by them as rulers of Clancullen in Clare from the 5th Century until their demise in the 15th Century. The book can be difficult to understand in parts but well worth a read if you have an interest.
@@dozermc5220 WOW! I guess we have to go back and reclaim more thrones! Thank you for sharing this book.
@@2anthro thank you for saying this-Mom mentioned Mayo, but I didn’t have anything beyond that.Giving me the name of an island is a precious clue. I appreciate you! 💚
I'm O'Reilly from County Cavan
The 0 Reilly were the biggest rulers in cavan back up to the 16 th century cavan was your kingdom
@@seanohare5488 Still a very strong name in Cavan and Meath.
My O’Reilly family was traced to County Cavan, too 💚
@@Janiebelle01 Which town ? I'm from Ballyjamesduff
I can never find out where my Darmody family originated from
Look up Dermody, the much more common spelling.
Erin Go Bragh! Correction sorry all!
Having Family born in Cahirciveen,County Kerry ( i was born in London,but my Parents& Grandparents and so on are from Waterville,Kerry)So that's all i know..
But i was curious by the comments he underlined at 9.16 considering the lengths his Organization are willing to go with their research & investigating on the subject of the Historical irish linage..Why did he feel it necessary?
Thanks mate
My family name is anglicized from Ó MAOILCHIARÁIN, or “Servant of St. Ciarán” - but if surnames weren’t used until 1100, then history better suggests that the name comes from someone who worked/lived at Clonmacnoise at the birth of surnames - am I correct in that thinking?
KELLY ❤
I’m Flynn/Ó Floinn know locally as Michael Johnny Bháin
My family names are Ross and Kennedy which I understand can be either Irish OR Scottish? My genetic DNA and documented family history puts my family coming from South West Munster/ West Cork but I also have records and pictures of family coming from lowland Scotland area. Is there anyway to tell which one my family belonged to? Are they the same people just migrated to Ireland from Scotland? Just started my research and have a lot to figure out. :/
Family name is Cooley. Understand they found in Galway and County Claire.
I'm an Irish American my family Martin comes from county Galway! Bless all Irish help them reclaim there homeland.
how can I find out about the ancient history of my surname O'Leary? I only know we are from southwest Ireland, Cork county.
Researching Spratt and Bowe surname.
We might be related, my name Conchúir Ó Síocháin.
My dads fathers family were Quigley’s. We know nothing
Chandler was my great great grand father coming from Ireland they say that catholique moved to Canada because of the potato famine my great great grandfather immigrated to Canada as a gentelman he was protestant. But I wonder from what region he came from he was freeman fleury or John. Tks if anybody has leads
Sorry he was named chandler married a fleury.
A dying people. Thank you for preserving this for posterity
Who's a dying people?
The only thing I know about my Irish kin is the name Nolan which I named my son
Me come from an Irish Kingdom^^ the most southern.
callahan from county Cork
I have the surname O Loingsigh of Cavan, I’m hoping that I have no links with the Galway Clan other than Che Guevara
Peter Gore Seer,
There Is A New Irish Clan On The Block, Eastern European, A Big Change Of Territories, The Bankers Are Making Big Changes, You Need To Learn More Dilects, Polish, Ukrain, Pluss Much More.
Research on the Anglo-Irish suggests that as many as 40% were Irish families who converted, and I'm sure there was mixing between these indigenous families and the "settlers" or "colonists." There are also numerous examples of Anglo-Irish people adopting the general label "Irish" as a descriptor, and in the 18th Century something like a "cult of St. Patrick" emerged among Irish Anglicans.
In the end, I think we need to move away from these narrow and exclusive definitions of 'Irish' and accept that, like most countries, Ireland had different ethnic and social classes that engaged with Irishness in different ways, and sometimes not at all. I don't really find the narrow approach educational, nor is there much evidence that the Anglo-Irish were perceived as "English colonists" by their class peers in England. Both the Duke of Wellington and Edmund Burke were caricatured as "Irishmen" in the British press, for example, and both had a rather mixed genealogy, although certainly upper class (especially Wellington).
I don’t know why he didn’t just say we are not classifying anyone as an Irish clan member who descends from the English. To qualify, do you have to have your DNA tested? For example the Y chromosome is passed from father to son so is an excellent indicator of someone’s origins.
O Maolain
Dougherty , Innishowen
I am fairly disappointed by this presentation - The Dal gCais Ydna group currently exceeds 1000 testers who have qualified for membership. I have been tracking our Crowes from Ceneuil Baoith whose last Chief from the Battle of Clontarf was Mael Meada The Mac Conchroes were described as warlike in the account of the Battle of Lough Raska - many Mac Enchroes served across hundreds of years but the Crowes are for the most part ignored by lazy academics who pick out their favourites for mention. The descendants of Aengus Cenn Nathrach are still on the surface of this planet and we have not forgotten our forebears
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thank you for this, I am a Crowe it is very hard to trace the Crowe line. I have cousins called Mcelroy
Actually quite a bit is known about the Crowe, of Thomond at least. I am fairly sure that they are mentioned in the 14th century text, Cathréim Thoirdhealbhaigh, though it's evident that they were always a minor lineage whose hereditary estate appears to be near Slieve Callan, and is called Skeaghvicenroe. One branch became Protestant and were landlords in the 19th century-- that branch being the best known in Clare.
@@lukemcinerney7458 The warlike MacConchroes from Cenel Baoith were mentioned in the account of the battle of Lough Raska - Yourself I understand, uncovered various records from Inchiquin that mentioned various McEncroes. Dr Maire ni Mhaonaigh of Cambridge, has referred to Rawlinson 486 (a neglected account of the battle of Clontarf), where Mael Meada of Cenel Baoith was particularly singled out. His pedigree is shown in several manuscripts. My Ydna shows a direct link back to Cas. - In the book of the Brown Cow (Edinburgh), mention is made of Conchraidh mac Tal - Cas is also referred to as Cas mac Tal. I cannot progress any further at present. Since there is scant mention of Conchraidh and the selected surname for us was Mac Conchrada, I have presumed there is a close relationship to Cas
@@lukemcinerney7458 It is quite clear from my research that the tribal territory of Ceneul Baoith was the homeland of the Mac Conchroes, the MacEnchroes, the Chroes, the Crows, the Crowes the Croughs, the Crokes and last but certainly not least, Mael Meda who was present at the Battle of Clontarf. The latter is featured in a number of Genealogies showing his descent from Baoith, a son of Aoengus Cenn Nathrach and Cas mac Tal
@@mariGentlemcelroy come from ulster Scots, the invaders.