The pinch in the copper is what is called a frost pinch happens on the outlet of the valve we use to get them on flare valves before sweat in valves driers etc. we're starting to come into the refrigeration picture.They do make frost proof flare nuts
Always blows my mind how you guys have open jaw contactors . Ours ( EU ) are protected with plastic , it's much harder to accidentally touch the power lines . Still possible don't get me wrong but much harder. Always nice to see how they do it in other parts of the world.
Hey Sterling Archer, what part of the world are you from? Any chance you could email me a pic of one of your contactors? curioushvacguy@gmail.com- id like to see what your working with Thanks
Sometimes solenoid in condensers will cause your liquid line to pump down also. Just depends where solenoid is located. Confused a new tech at our company he condemned a evaporator cause he thought there was no charge in system when he gauged up and it was pumped down and it was just a bad temp control in the box.
Oh yeah thatll get a new guy- I remember when I first started out I front seated the service valves on a condensing unit once thinking they where opened all the way, I powered the unit on and of course got nothing so I condemned that compressor-- luckily a senior tech helped me and showed me my mistake, lol
Perfect job.. Start with electricity.( Liquid line solenoid), was a great start..and work towards your condensing unit..( textbook)!! Great explanation,and good catch.. Good video,all around! Thanks for the detail and walk through.and your time. A good job,will a go along way! Bryan Tyler Refrigeration
Thanks Joseph- I try to follow a similar process for each service call so I make sure I cover all my bases- It really helps with good quality diagnostics each time, sometimes I do forget a step and wind up going back and covering it but hey where all human right, lol
@@curioushvacguy6876 Absolutely right... We are only human.. We all screw up.(.once or twice daily), at times with me..lol..small.stuff..im 57yo. Looking at about 2-3 more years and call it a career...lord willing.. But it takes a man to man up and correct it! Your right on,my man!
I just got the hot block, it seems like ground up shop towels, its missy and sometimes hard to pack it around items without losing a lot, how did you like the wet rag stuff? better, worse, the same. FYI... you're going to hell for using the 1/4 hoses and the micron gauge placement. LoL Good Video!
Your torch is also called a smoke key. I have yet to see a lock it wouldn’t open. When it comes to safety don’t trust a breaker you can’t see. A lock without a key is a safety issue and should be removed.
Safety first. Always safety first. Had someone turn 460 on while I was replacing a contactor. Knocked the crap out of me. I lifted him up and was walking him to the edge of the roof. He was laughing at first then he quit laughing. He will not turn on any breakers any more lol. No I didn’t throw him off but I wanted to. I can laugh now but it wasn’t funny then.
Another great one. I had system Friday night for smoked meat open case low charge. Couldn’t find leak anywhere so have to go back and recover n pressure test. But 26lbs low and almost certain it’ll hold about 75lbs of 404. Gotta love grocery stores! Ha
Curious HVAC guy leaning toward the huge ancient multi fan multi circuit condenser on the roof just because it’s much harder to find the leaks there and we have looked multiple times. System has 1”1/8 lineset and ultra long lineset plus huge receiver otherwise wouldn’t be nearly as much charge. Praying it isn’t in the lineset ran Thru the concrete floor with ten other runs from compressor room because idk how that will get found or repaired yet. Guess we will find out.
Bro this is great exactly the type of equipment I work on, I work with Coolsys in LA and I needed this great video ps I know that’s a dollar tree or dollar store I can tell by the tags 😂
Great video and thorough explanation of your troubleshooting process, Could have got yourself in trouble by not inspecting your leak but you got out of it without issues lucky you THIS TIME, Great content , editing and I love your monicker matches your personality
Nice job of circuit analysis / re:load of interest and using EEPs instead of digging for and measuring at the LLSolenoid. EEP = Electrically equivalent point
Forgive my ignorance but I always thought that if you take the voltage across any load, you should be able to read the voltage the load is under, whether is 24V, 120V, 240V etc. and a solenoid is a load. You mention in your video that the 24V and 120V is different. I am I little confused. I’ll appreciate if you take the time to educate me a bit in this subject. Thanks.
We used to use a old gym sock and fill it full of ice and wrap it to the txv for a backup to the other weld chill on the other side of the txv . Paranoid I guess.
They pinched that copper to make an easier sweat. I'm telling you every time I see joints that are soft sweated in they fail. Hacks always try to say that it's ok to sweat. But that's a bunch of bs.
O we here it's very much forbidden to use Freon as a tracer gas , it used to be common practice but it's in the past now . What we do is we use a mixture of nitrogen and very little hydrogen , that comes in a green painted top nitro tank , and we do have newer electronic leak detectors that beep for both refrigerants and hydrogen . I think it's much better this way , because you don't vent out refrigerant , better for the planet .
Interesting- so your leak detectors sense a lack of oxygen then? I wonder how they work exactly - yeah alot of other countries are like yours, we however seem to be behind the times on these things. Whats the max amount of R290 you can have in a system, here its 55 grams I belive
@@curioushvacguy6876 I just looked it up and I'm starting to get a headache now . From what I understand , it's 1.5 kg per circuit , or 1kg if in an underground floor . But there's another reg that seems to allow more , depending on the surface and what not , but I'm not sure I understand correctly 🙄 The leak detector detects Freon and hydrogen as well , so the tracer nitrogen we use trips the sensor . The only downside is that it can beep when it smells glycol , or sometimes when you blow on the sensor , bit if you're careful it works pretty well .
Hey Is it for learning purposes you spend so long time with the leak detector on the condensing unit.. I mean if the system is completely flat you will see oil where the leak is.. And i love the way you take the viewers hand and guide us through what you do.. If someone can't learn from you.. Well there is no hope for that person. Oil traps. What is the rule of thumb were you are.. In DK we say every 2 hight meters
Christian Sommer don’t always see oil especially on condenser side where you have mainly high pressure vapor. Have seen many of these leak on the left side of that condenser where he was getting hits and yet no visual signs of a leak.
@@jphvac5725 I know you don't always see oil, but when you see the amount of dust on the unit, let's just say i was 99% sure the the leak wasn't there.. But i understand that as a learning video, that you will start from point A and slowly work through to point Z.. On a set up like that the money is on a leak on the indoor unit.. At least that's my experience.
@@curioushvacguy6876 and I really appreciated the long road ! After awhile a flow chart in your head start appearing. And of course it doesn't hurt while winter time to take your time somewhat, imo
@@curioushvacguy6876 I'm starting to think that the way to go is : electronics for smart probes , analogs for manifolds . I think that's pretty solid . Sorry to barge into a conversation I wasn't involved in , but I saw 550s trashing and I couldn't resist getting involved 😄
thats a good question- since soldering is done at a lower temp than brazing id say you could but it wouldnt go well, I assume the solder would flow out of that joint before you ever got the silver to stick-- this would make for a good little experiment
All you people amaze me has anyone ever heard of a smaller torch tip?? I have been doing commercial refrigeration for 35 years and only have put holes in piping when I don’t use the right tip jus saying though nice old school repair would be nice if the copper was like the good old days!!!
wow family dollar store. and it looked like soft solder at the leak. i need to make videos i guess find it in no time but still wait a week for approval
Good find and better fix but PLEASE, no hair singing! I used to grow a beard every winter and shave it in the spring from being outside on equipment with no cabs and I used to be the only one with but now looks like I'm the only one without. Full circle? Good video! A-PLUS!
@@curioushvacguy6876 I kept one for 2 years straight but when I whacked it off, my son who was a little tyke, hid for 3 days. I guess he couldn't handle the real me! Or just the un-haired me? I don't know.
The pinch in the copper is what is called a frost pinch happens on the outlet of the valve we use to get them on flare valves before sweat in valves driers etc. we're starting to come into the refrigeration picture.They do make frost proof flare nuts
Always blows my mind how you guys have open jaw contactors .
Ours ( EU ) are protected with plastic , it's much harder to accidentally touch the power lines .
Still possible don't get me wrong but much harder.
Always nice to see how they do it in other parts of the world.
Hey Sterling Archer, what part of the world are you from? Any chance you could email me a pic of one of your contactors? curioushvacguy@gmail.com- id like to see what your working with
Thanks
that leak detector is harshing my buzz, man!
Sometimes solenoid in condensers will cause your liquid line to pump down also. Just depends where solenoid is located.
Confused a new tech at our company he condemned a evaporator cause he thought there was no charge in system when he gauged up and it was pumped down and it was just a bad temp control in the box.
Oh yeah thatll get a new guy- I remember when I first started out I front seated the service valves on a condensing unit once thinking they where opened all the way, I powered the unit on and of course got nothing so I condemned that compressor-- luckily a senior tech helped me and showed me my mistake, lol
Wicked video please make more like this. My only suggestion is Clear shots of the schematic so I can follow along and learn.
Thanks, will do!
That's more faygo soda that I've seen my whole life
Perfect job..
Start with electricity.(
Liquid line solenoid), was a great start..and work towards your condensing unit..( textbook)!!
Great explanation,and good catch..
Good video,all around!
Thanks for the detail and walk through.and your time.
A good job,will a go along way!
Bryan Tyler Refrigeration
Thanks Joseph- I try to follow a similar process for each service call so I make sure I cover all my bases- It really helps with good quality diagnostics each time, sometimes I do forget a step and wind up going back and covering it but hey where all human right, lol
@@curioushvacguy6876
Absolutely right...
We are only human..
We all screw up.(.once or twice daily), at times with me..lol..small.stuff..im 57yo.
Looking at about 2-3 more years and call it a career...lord willing..
But it takes a man to man up and correct it!
Your right on,my man!
Good you didn't have to replace the TXV. Good repair. 👍
I just got the hot block, it seems like ground up shop towels, its missy and sometimes hard to pack it around items without losing a lot, how did you like the wet rag stuff? better, worse, the same. FYI... you're going to hell for using the 1/4 hoses and the micron gauge placement. LoL Good Video!
Looked like stay brite 8 was used previously at the txv.
@@curioushvacguy6876 are you joking?
Looked like stay brite 8 to me also. When you were brazing it looked like the heat was right (dim cherry red) but the 15% would not flow properly.
Fill the sight glass and your good to go
Your torch is also called a smoke key. I have yet to see a lock it wouldn’t open. When it comes to safety don’t trust a breaker you can’t see. A lock without a key is a safety issue and should be removed.
Smoke key, lol thats a good one- but on a serious note your right about the locked breaker, cant hit it in an emergency if its locked
Safety first. Always safety first. Had someone turn 460 on while I was replacing a contactor. Knocked the crap out of me. I lifted him up and was walking him to the edge of the roof. He was laughing at first then he quit laughing. He will not turn on any breakers any more lol. No I didn’t throw him off but I wanted to. I can laugh now but it wasn’t funny then.
Very good video thank you for your teaching, God bless
Another great one. I had system Friday night for smoked meat open case low charge. Couldn’t find leak anywhere so have to go back and recover n pressure test. But 26lbs low and almost certain it’ll hold about 75lbs of 404. Gotta love grocery stores! Ha
Curious HVAC guy leaning toward the huge ancient multi fan multi circuit condenser on the roof just because it’s much harder to find the leaks there and we have looked multiple times. System has 1”1/8 lineset and ultra long lineset plus huge receiver otherwise wouldn’t be nearly as much charge. Praying it isn’t in the lineset ran Thru the concrete floor with ten other runs from compressor room because idk how that will get found or repaired yet. Guess we will find out.
Bro this is great exactly the type of equipment I work on, I work with Coolsys in LA and I needed this great video ps I know that’s a dollar tree or dollar store I can tell by the tags 😂
Great video and thorough explanation of your troubleshooting process, Could have got yourself in trouble by not inspecting your leak but you got out of it without issues lucky you THIS TIME, Great content , editing and I love your monicker matches your personality
Bill getting back to you on the ghost voltage on the Traulsen, tech support said it has to do with the relay box.
I do the family dollars down here in Virginia also🤘 rock on brotha.
gotta love em- lol
Great video !! Keep them coming very helpful 👍🏻
Nice job of circuit analysis / re:load of interest and using EEPs instead of digging for and measuring at the LLSolenoid.
EEP = Electrically equivalent point
Thanks for feedback Dave- much appreciated
@@curioushvacguy6876 little different world equipment wise but similar approach to repair... Samurai Appliontology
Forgive my ignorance but I always thought that if you take the voltage across any load, you should be able to read the voltage the load is under, whether is 24V, 120V, 240V etc. and a solenoid is a load. You mention in your video that the 24V and 120V is different. I am I little confused. I’ll appreciate if you take the time to educate me a bit in this subject. Thanks.
Great video once again.
What do you think of that leak detector?
I have the same one, it’s kinda loud and finicky
I honestly prefer a rosebud. More even heat. Adjust ur torch to the size
We used to use a old gym sock and fill it full of ice and wrap it to the txv for a backup to the other weld chill on the other side of the txv . Paranoid I guess.
They pinched that copper to make an easier sweat. I'm telling you every time I see joints that are soft sweated in they fail. Hacks always try to say that it's ok to sweat. But that's a bunch of bs.
My fingers are crossed I dont get to see that to often
Great video.
Thanks!
O we here it's very much forbidden to use Freon as a tracer gas , it used to be common practice but it's in the past now .
What we do is we use a mixture of nitrogen and very little hydrogen , that comes in a green painted top nitro tank , and we do have newer electronic leak detectors that beep for both refrigerants and hydrogen .
I think it's much better this way , because you don't vent out refrigerant , better for the planet .
Interesting- so your leak detectors sense a lack of oxygen then? I wonder how they work exactly - yeah alot of other countries are like yours, we however seem to be behind the times on these things. Whats the max amount of R290 you can have in a system, here its 55 grams I belive
@@curioushvacguy6876 I just looked it up and I'm starting to get a headache now .
From what I understand , it's 1.5 kg per circuit , or 1kg if in an underground floor .
But there's another reg that seems to allow more , depending on the surface and what not , but I'm not sure I understand correctly 🙄
The leak detector detects Freon and hydrogen as well , so the tracer nitrogen we use trips the sensor .
The only downside is that it can beep when it smells glycol , or sometimes when you blow on the sensor , bit if you're careful it works pretty well .
Great video and explanation 👍
Hey
Is it for learning purposes you spend so long time with the leak detector on the condensing unit.. I mean if the system is completely flat you will see oil where the leak is.. And i love the way you take the viewers hand and guide us through what you do.. If someone can't learn from you.. Well there is no hope for that person.
Oil traps. What is the rule of thumb were you are.. In DK we say every 2 hight meters
Christian Sommer don’t always see oil especially on condenser side where you have mainly high pressure vapor. Have seen many of these leak on the left side of that condenser where he was getting hits and yet no visual signs of a leak.
@@jphvac5725 I know you don't always see oil, but when you see the amount of dust on the unit, let's just say i was 99% sure the the leak wasn't there.. But i understand that as a learning video, that you will start from point A and slowly work through to point Z.. On a set up like that the money is on a leak on the indoor unit.. At least that's my experience.
@@curioushvacguy6876 and I really appreciated the long road ! After awhile a flow chart in your head start appearing. And of course it doesn't hurt while winter time to take your time somewhat, imo
Great explanation Thank You
My 550's are junk, I can't use them to pressure test. I still use 1/4 hoses for vacuum unless it's flat rate.
So far mine are ok, I think next im going with the Joblink wireless probes but Im not completely sold on that idea yet-- thanks for watching
@@curioushvacguy6876 I'm starting to think that the way to go is : electronics for smart probes , analogs for manifolds .
I think that's pretty solid .
Sorry to barge into a conversation I wasn't involved in , but I saw 550s trashing and I couldn't resist getting involved 😄
Nice job!!! I don't have all the fancy tools but I get the job done(nice video)
Right there with ya! Still using an old set of rebuilt jellow jackets
There more then likely a void in the solder on the bottom on that valve and ice began forming your seeing the end result
can you braze over a solder joint
thats a good question- since soldering is done at a lower temp than brazing id say you could but it wouldnt go well, I assume the solder would flow out of that joint before you ever got the silver to stick-- this would make for a good little experiment
Great video Bill! Is that heat absorbing compound reusable?
Yes
All you people amaze me has anyone ever heard of a smaller torch tip?? I have been doing commercial refrigeration for 35 years and only have put holes in piping when I don’t use the right tip jus saying though nice old school repair would be nice if the copper was like the good old days!!!
I'm new to refrigeration, just got my 608 a couple months ago. Is there a guide or rule of thumb on how to chose the correct size tip?
Sweet dude.
Note to self.... carry a new lock and bolt cutters.
What's the procedure for testing the cut in & cut out controllers if you suspect their maybe not working properly
Got it 👍
wow family dollar store. and it looked like soft solder at the leak. i need to make videos i guess
find it in no time but still wait a week for approval
19:10 lol 😂
Why the hell do people soft sweat refrigeration lines. Looks like they sweated that leaky joint. Hack ass shit.
Yeah somebody sure did-
You guys have red and blue hoses? Those aren’t code here, everyone uses yellow.
Good vid bud
@@curioushvacguy6876 I've realized lol
Good find and better fix but PLEASE, no hair singing! I used to grow a beard every winter and shave it in the spring from being outside on equipment with no cabs and I used to be the only one with but now looks like I'm the only one without. Full circle? Good video! A-PLUS!
Yeah, man Its time to grow it back for good now, lol
@@curioushvacguy6876 I kept one for 2 years straight but when I whacked it off, my son who was a little tyke, hid for 3 days. I guess he couldn't handle the real me! Or just the un-haired me? I don't know.
I always write the total charge in the unit when I start one up. I wish others would.
Pretty sure I seen it in sharpie, I guess I could be mistaken.
I've done the same Sharpie it inside the cover
who used the GD stay bright on the txv some one screwed ya
@@curioushvacguy6876 color looked like plumbers stay bright but I have seen txv come from the factory installed like that
56 silver looks similar... you need a ton of heat and doesn't flow like 5 or 15 %
Who the fuck puts a lock on service disconnect in the on position. How are you supposed to turn it off if something happens?
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