I've got a VERY interesting video coming Friday about Kreia that I think you will enjoy. So be sure to turn on notifcations, because you don't wanna miss it! Also, big thanks to Fanhome for supporting the channel so be sure to simply head over to their website and check them out! - an7b.short.gy/100StarWars_MilleniumFalcon
Do you mind if I ask you a question? So, what the laws we know about there being other galaxies? Could she truly kill the force in its entirety? Cause , for example, yuuzhan vong had the force in there galaxie So my question is, would she have truly succeeded forever as my question Because eventually, is it possibly be a reawakening in the force again is basically what I'm asking 'cause. I think she'll be able to defend * Wars Galaxy as you know it, but to destroy the forests in its entirety that seems to be in chemist, the whole Star Wars universe. I don't know if she'll be able to do that. If I'm wrong please let me know. I'm just curious.
Funny the council made Arron Kei (Keira/Darth Traya) responcible for the Fall of Revan but if they don't expelled her, the shadow wars (Kotor 2) would probably never happen (Sion would just live and Nihlus would just die after some time).
Cool how Kreia taught and inspired Revan, and then followed in his footsteps and carried on his mission when he was beyond known space. The master took the trail blazed by the student after leading the student down their own unique path. It’s like poetry, it rhymes!
I remember playing this game for the first time and getting to the point where I could ask Kreia what she was. A jedi? A Sith? Kreia: "Does it matter? Of course it does, such titles allow you to break the galaxy into light and dark, categorize it." "Perhaps I am neither, and I hold both as what they are, pieces of a whole. Know that I am your teacher, and that is enough." *Continues to listen to her stories of light and dark followed by the cutscene on Malachor V, and later her hopes for the Exile.* I want to go home and rethink my life..
Also Kreia: Constantly spews Sith philosophy, holds opinions that give you dark side points for agreeing with, calls herself as a Sith, and becomes a Sith Lord again in the third act.
I think it was the "killing the force" part of story development that ultimately did in Kotor II and why we never saw a Kotor III. Amazing bit of storytelling but definitely something that would be poorly understood by upper managment.
It’s so hard for Star Wars to get deep. You’re either in or out. Unlike Star Trek it’s Always been extremely deep. I think Star Wars only wants to cater to kids
@@NDionneG005 I agree that Star Wars is targeted at kids and does not want to rise beyond that focus but in this case Kotor II had a really brilliant storyline that wasn't directed at kids and was somewhat shot down. However that being said Star Trek has more recently made that same drive as well then it once was.
I love Kreia for showing that there is no middle ground, no grey jedi. We knew this before from other pieces of SW media and even Revan (from kotor 2 stories) shows it in a way, but Kreia is one of the best examples. She was a jedi, got corrupted by the dark side and then tried to be somewhat in the middle, but unlike Jolee who became an apatheic coward- she was still active and tried to do something about it. What's interesting is that her methodology of dealing with the issue is a sith-like extreme. Lets kill the force by killing everyone attuned to it. So even when she's no longer a sith she still does things like a sith would, her love for the Exile which borders on obsession (I'd kill the galaxy to preserve you) is yet another wonderful example of her still thinking like a sith, it's something Darth Anakin would say to Padme. It's absolutely brilliant and I really want more Kreia. I wish someone more competent than me would write "Dating with Kreia" dialogue. Oh well, a blast from the past- drinking with Kreia, one of the favourite SW bits I wrote: - Why would You do such a thing? Waste an evening amongst the weak minded, drinking away their problems? Are You running away from Your past? Only a fool would fear what's already behind him and dead. You sit here doing nothing while the galaxy suffers, making a toast on it's burning body. Actions, good or bad, send echoes across the galaxy, bringing change, puting cogs of the future in motion. But apathy is death. There are no echoes from Your actions, only a mind numbing silence. That silence is a terrible thing, a void around You feasting on Your inaction. .... Pass me that Antakarian Fire Dancer, old lady got thirsty from all that talking.
It’s a strong possibility, given the force punished the Vong for what they did. The force can strike with a vengeance and has destroyed species before.
A very interesting connection, could definitely see that being the case. The force struck back against the Vong for their cruelties, and Kreia wanted to eliminate the force to remove its influence on the galaxy
100% Star Wars: *Posts video about Kreia* Me: “Well time to head to the comments to share my opinions on my favourite literature character for the nth time!” I’ll spare you this time… 😂
1:1 milenium falcon... 1 to 1 one to one... That's gonna be quite a long series to gather all the parts to create a 35m model. But I've cleared up the hellipad now, so I am ready to start assembling.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Ancient Sith and their knowledge, or lack thereof about the Star Forge! Ajunta Pall alludes quite heavily to the treasure of the Ancient Sith from his era to be the Star Forge, but I have yet to see this referenced anywhere else. I don't believe anyone other than the Rakatta, Revan, and Malak had anything to do with the Star Forge, or even had any knowledge whatsoever about its existence, and yet Pall seems to state otherwise and the Star Map is located within Naga Sadow's tomb, which couldn't have been a coincidence. Continuity error? Plot thread left unresolved?
Honestly, the best ending imo if Kreia did create a third wound by killing Surik, would have been for nothing to actually happened (I.e she was completley wrong and everything she did was just another Darkside/Sith tragedy). Her like Sion, Anakin, Ulic Qel-Droma, etc, etc, learning that they got nothing from the Darkside in the end would have been an amazing ending. I wish they were given a far longer time to develop the story as Kreia, following Revan's footsteps should have in the end also came to the same conclusion (as during the time of KOTOR, "he" decided to stay in the Lightside) that the Darkside was flawed. Throughout the whole story it's very hard to actually tell what she thinks and truly believe and what is just corrupted due to the Darkside as just like Palpatine, she is actually deformed when you meet her in Malachor (She was already twisted due to the Darkside).
I hear you but how then do you reconcile that with Meetra. Her very existence as one who can disconnect from the Force and still be, suggests that it should be an option. Is it really so dastardly that the will of the force should be capable of being denied? I am not sure that this idea is so corruptive. The Jedi teach that the will of the Force is good but is it? I think Kreia asks us to interrogate that. Yes, her teachings were often too much influenced by the dark-sided, particularly her views on manipulation and charity but I think in the end, we see (light sided) Meetra as the best parts of her teaching without the worst parts of it and it makes you wonder, how possible could it be for all persons to be able to freely connect and disconnect from the Force whenever they wish so that its will and their wills could be distinguished.
@@GlenDivo The will of the force is the will of nature, the force being in balance mean the natural order is not perverted by the dark side, that's why in the movies the empire is representitive of tecnology and sterility,basicaly the man imposing himself against nature, as opose to the jedi who live in the nature like Yoda in Dagobah, i think that's what actually represent the real conflict in star wars, not good vs evil as people usually says, but man against nature, so people do have free will in star wars that is the reason why many fall to the dark side, because they impose their selfish desires on the world around them and that is what creates the imbalance
It makes the story much worse, there is no longer a tale of how the wheel could have been broken Once. Plus Kreia defeat actually proves her right and gives her a conclusion.
The music for these games are so iconic to this day they give me a uniquely strong desire to play the games again think ill reinstall again time to put together a massive modpack again rofl
the more I looked at the thumbnail I was like why does this pic look so familiar? oh that was one I generated a few months back haha. funny how it somehow found its way into your thumbnail ;)
@@100StarWars yeah I posted it on another website (civitai), and it appears when you search for 'Kreia fan art' on Google. All these thirsty comments about the thumbnail pick lul
I loved the fact she went against the dogma of the jedi. Trained Revan, took in the exile and when you find out she was the handmaidens mother I truly felt sorry for this character. She did fight in the war. It was from this war handmaiden was born. She tells you not to tell handmaiden. Ultimately her conundrums made me realize the jedi were not as ethical as I once thought. The attack of the clones showed they crossed a questionable line of morals.
Darth Nihilus is second only to Revan in my eyes. Even if he isn't as complex and deep as Kreia, his very being presents a great challenge to the idea that the Force is all-powerful. The strength of Darth Nihilus is terrifying and awe-inspiring.
Kreia is an interesting character my friend but at times I find her annoying when playing KOTOR 2. I've heard Kreia say many times to the Exile how she hates the force in that finale battle on Malachor V. I do see how you can destroy the force so I agree that she wouldn't have been successful
Just got the craziest, wildest and stupid(est?) idea ever! What if ... In some unknown, distant galaxy, some other being came to same conclusion ... but ACTUALLY suceeded ... or partially suceeded ... And that is how Yuuzhan Vongs were created. :3 Thats why they didnt exist in the force! And take it even one step futher ... and another 10.000y back: What if ... and i admit this is ever weirder ... Some Rakatan technology got to their galaxy, but since it was using The Force as power source, and since they despited The Force so much ... they destroyed it ... but as time was marching on, that reason was forgotten, but the tradition of breaking machines remained, and naturally it expanded to all synthetic creations. Anyway thats my head cannon from now on. xD
Omg despite myself playing this game for several times and listening Kreia's dialogues quite accuately, I've never understood the real implications of her plan to essentially decimate the life in galaxy, with survivors becoming resistant to Force and others just dying.
Please no because anything in SWTOR contradicts everything in Kotor 1 and 2. also if it is true then it wouldn't have made any sense. That entity literally says it loves vitiate when kreia never even mentions vitiate or met him. Kreia did not seek the death of the Jedi order because she wanted prove that the teachings of the Jedi are wrong. Sorry for the little rant I just hope that rumor is never proven true because it's proof that bioware did not care at all about Kotor 2.
It was in the Jedi archives, she just deleted it after she found it that's why no one knows about it. It happens a lot, it's just that the Jedi don't want you to know.
Despite all the time and effort, and constant heartbreak surrounding the kotor remake, when the kotor 2 remake finally hits mainstream, this character will go down as the best character of all time within the star wars universe, if she isnt already..
I'd argue Jolee is more similar to Iroh, with Kreia being rather Zaheer, who similar to Kreia in Star Wars desired to destroy bending. I guess that would make Unalaq the Darth Nihilus of Avatar, in the sense that he sought out to find harmony, sacrificing thereby more and more to what is essentially avatar's darkside until eventually ending up fully becoming one with it.
Interesting. I don't remember anything in the game about Kreia having an actual plan to 'kill' the Force (deafen the galaxy, technically); maybe that's in some supporting media? It's been years since I last played the game, so I may be misremembering. Anyway, I've always interpreted Kreia as being on a journey of discovery. Before she finds the Exile, she doesn't understand what it is to turn away from the Force. During their time together, she studies the Exile intensely, trying to ascertain the great secret. That's why she's so disappointed on Dantooine; the truth (the Exile was afraid) is so mundane, so banal, that it infuriates her. She enacts her plan to eradicate the last Jedi and Sith almost as a temper tantrum. On Malachor, I don't believe that Kreia had any grand goals or ambitions. It was all a pretense to draw the Exile to confront her. All she wants is for the last of the Jedi and Sith to perish, for the old religions to die. She wants the Exile to pass on her 'truth', of independence from the Force, acting as an example. Kreia's legacy is the most dangerous of all: knowledge. The unspoken truth that Kreia never understood, that the Exile and Nihilus did, is that life without the Force is not life at all. The Exile had the unique perspective of understanding the Force's absence, granting her a certain wisdom. She is, in that sense, Revan's counterpart; where he is the "heart of the Force", the Exile is the "death of the Force". Combine those perspectives and you start to gain answers to, as Sidious calls it, "the great mystery".
I find it funny because the "true" Sith of Kotor (being the Shadows of Babylon 5) they would never win but even if there defeated there is so much suffering that the win doesn't matter, this wouldn't work for Star Wars (if the game Kotor 3 would been made, it would been not even part of the EU). The Only Species i see is like them is the Esh-Ka of SWTOR, they see everyone else as Cancer who has to be killed, they also have a god who sleep in belsavis it will break free and you can't stop it.
I like to think that Kreia did kill the force at Malacore, that her death sent an echo out that would take a millennia, but people would slowly lose their connection to the force. That is why Jedi/Sith of the movies are so weak in the force compared with KOTOR and the general population has no knowledge/feeling of the force.
So if Kreia was Arren Kae, which theory I currently do subscribe to, then was she doubly exiled, on the one hand for having a secret affair with Echani general Yusanis AND on the other for creating who would later become Revan and Darth Revan through her teachings? Cause that is in itself both curious and impressive... 🤔
Kreia could not kill Force, but she could do her best to sever it's connection to galaxy. Cut the string between manipulative Force and sentients of galaxy.
She didn't. She's basically Thanos. She seems to make some kind of sense but then you stop and think about it and realise she's mad. There is only ONE way to kill the Force and that's to destroy all life in the galaxy.
That depends on what theory one goes by. If we go by the theory stated by Obi-Wan in episode 4, where the force is stated to be an energy field controlling the galaxy itself, then yes, only galactic destruction would destroy the force. However the theory of the living force being essentially the cosmic force's avatar seems to make a lot more sense within the expanded universe: Not only was there a celestial race, that disappeared from the universe, but also there existed a race outside of the galaxy knowns as the Yuuzhan Vong who were once force sensitive but became no longer, thus not having midichlorians (living force avatars) and separating them from the will of the cosmic force. The bigger problem with her plan is, that she would only remove the living force on a galactic level through an amplified exile. It is very likely, that the mysterious heirs of the ancient sith were somewhere out there, meaning if they ever returned, the galaxy would be completely helpless.
Wait, that was the plan?! Where's the evidence for her wanting to kill Meetra on Malachor? I thought that was just a final test not her actually trying to kill you to fulfill the entire plan.
For The Exile to prove she has learned everything she must abandon her teacher by rising above her. The Exile must destroy book she learned from and book will encourage her to do so. If The Exile wins by killing Kreia she has learned everything she needs. If The Exile dies she had not learned enough.
She was bluffing. She never intended to kill the Force, she was just using that lie as an extreme means to spurn the Jedi Exile into acting on their honest personal whims (no matter how sickeningly saccharine or morbidly unhinged), purging out the obsolete elements of both the Jedi and Sith at the time, bringing back the galaxy to a brutally necessary status quo that was temporarily broken by Revan's actions (and one that'll stay that way until Darth Bane showed up a few millennia later; we do not condone the so-called The Old Republic records), and also to finally finish Kreia's well spent tenure in the mortal coil by doing a suicide by cop (think the Zero Requiem). Suffice to say, that old hag is a magnificent manipulative witch, and it's a shame future generations ended up never remembering much of her and her ambiguous apprentice, apart from some cluttered up and somewhat unfinished historical records.
This is a joke, right? With respect, I need to pay the bills, just like you - and if you're that vexxed by something that can take you literally 2 seconds to skip... then don't let the door hit you on the way out.
I've got a VERY interesting video coming Friday about Kreia that I think you will enjoy. So be sure to turn on notifcations, because you don't wanna miss it! Also, big thanks to Fanhome for supporting the channel so be sure to simply head over to their website and check them out! - an7b.short.gy/100StarWars_MilleniumFalcon
Now I'm curious...
PLEASE do another video in the Kotor game, I still believe it has a chance but its nice to hear it from someone else🙏
Do you mind if I ask you a question? So, what the laws we know about there being other galaxies? Could she truly kill the force in its entirety? Cause , for example, yuuzhan vong had the force in there galaxie So my question is, would she have truly succeeded forever as my question Because eventually, is it possibly be a reawakening in the force again is basically what I'm asking 'cause. I think she'll be able to defend * Wars Galaxy as you know it, but to destroy the forests in its entirety that seems to be in chemist, the whole Star Wars universe. I don't know if she'll be able to do that. If I'm wrong please let me know. I'm just curious.
Funny the council made Arron Kei (Keira/Darth Traya) responcible for the Fall of Revan but if they don't expelled her, the shadow wars (Kotor 2) would probably never happen (Sion would just live and Nihlus would just die after some time).
Kreia is the best written Star Wars character in entire franchise. Sara Kestelman voiced this character to perfection.
Agreed
Truth.
Agreed on both counts
Couldn't agree more. KOTOR and KOTOR 2 are the two greatest pieces of Star Wars media ever in my opinion.
It's just a perfect creation perfect character and the voice of Sara just help Kreia become even more great.
All these years and this game still has so many mysteries.
Best written Star Wars story
It’s a testament to how well written, well thought out and caringly crafted it was. My favorite story in all of Star Wars
Cool how Kreia taught and inspired Revan, and then followed in his footsteps and carried on his mission when he was beyond known space. The master took the trail blazed by the student after leading the student down their own unique path. It’s like poetry, it rhymes!
I remember playing this game for the first time and getting to the point where I could ask Kreia what she was. A jedi? A Sith?
Kreia: "Does it matter? Of course it does, such titles allow you to break the galaxy into light and dark, categorize it."
"Perhaps I am neither, and I hold both as what they are, pieces of a whole. Know that I am your teacher, and that is enough."
*Continues to listen to her stories of light and dark followed by the cutscene on Malachor V, and later her hopes for the Exile.*
I want to go home and rethink my life..
Also Kreia: Constantly spews Sith philosophy, holds opinions that give you dark side points for agreeing with, calls herself as a Sith, and becomes a Sith Lord again in the third act.
I think it was the "killing the force" part of story development that ultimately did in Kotor II and why we never saw a Kotor III. Amazing bit of storytelling but definitely something that would be poorly understood by upper managment.
It’s so hard for Star Wars to get deep. You’re either in or out. Unlike Star Trek it’s Always been extremely deep. I think Star Wars only wants to cater to kids
@@NDionneG005 I agree that Star Wars is targeted at kids and does not want to rise beyond that focus but in this case Kotor II had a really brilliant storyline that wasn't directed at kids and was somewhat shot down.
However that being said Star Trek has more recently made that same drive as well then it once was.
That's a good question. And I think that is why the story for this game was SO GOOD. (and deep)
Soooo many questions!
I love Kreia for showing that there is no middle ground, no grey jedi. We knew this before from other pieces of SW media and even Revan (from kotor 2 stories) shows it in a way, but Kreia is one of the best examples. She was a jedi, got corrupted by the dark side and then tried to be somewhat in the middle, but unlike Jolee who became an apatheic coward- she was still active and tried to do something about it. What's interesting is that her methodology of dealing with the issue is a sith-like extreme. Lets kill the force by killing everyone attuned to it. So even when she's no longer a sith she still does things like a sith would, her love for the Exile which borders on obsession (I'd kill the galaxy to preserve you) is yet another wonderful example of her still thinking like a sith, it's something Darth Anakin would say to Padme.
It's absolutely brilliant and I really want more Kreia. I wish someone more competent than me would write "Dating with Kreia" dialogue.
Oh well, a blast from the past- drinking with Kreia, one of the favourite SW bits I wrote:
- Why would You do such a thing? Waste an evening amongst the weak minded, drinking away their problems? Are You running away from Your past? Only a fool would fear what's already behind him and dead. You sit here doing nothing while the galaxy suffers, making a toast on it's burning body. Actions, good or bad, send echoes across the galaxy, bringing change, puting cogs of the future in motion. But apathy is death. There are no echoes from Your actions, only a mind numbing silence. That silence is a terrible thing, a void around You feasting on Your inaction.
....
Pass me that Antakarian Fire Dancer, old lady got thirsty from all that talking.
I wonder if we can relate Kreia's plan to what happened to the Yuuzhan Vong when they destroyed their Force-rich homeworld?
Maybe!
It’s a strong possibility, given the force punished the Vong for what they did. The force can strike with a vengeance and has destroyed species before.
@@msutter117Like the rakata
A very interesting connection, could definitely see that being the case. The force struck back against the Vong for their cruelties, and Kreia wanted to eliminate the force to remove its influence on the galaxy
100% Star Wars: *Posts video about Kreia*
Me: “Well time to head to the comments to share my opinions on my favourite literature character for the nth time!”
I’ll spare you this time… 😂
1:1 milenium falcon...
1 to 1
one to one...
That's gonna be quite a long series to gather all the parts to create a 35m model. But I've cleared up the hellipad now, so I am ready to start assembling.
If you do plan on jumping in, be sure to use the channel link as it supports me greatly! :)
What an interesting question! Added to watch later for something after work :D
Thanks for the video! Love learning about Darth Traya
it always was a really vaguely explained story so I never did entirely understand it but I think you are spot on. 🤘
Lol, did he just make a Game Theory reference?! If so that's awesome
:O
Young Kreia in the thumbnail looks cursed.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Ancient Sith and their knowledge, or lack thereof about the Star Forge! Ajunta Pall alludes quite heavily to the treasure of the Ancient Sith from his era to be the Star Forge, but I have yet to see this referenced anywhere else. I don't believe anyone other than the Rakatta, Revan, and Malak had anything to do with the Star Forge, or even had any knowledge whatsoever about its existence, and yet Pall seems to state otherwise and the Star Map is located within Naga Sadow's tomb, which couldn't have been a coincidence.
Continuity error? Plot thread left unresolved?
Honestly, the best ending imo if Kreia did create a third wound by killing Surik, would have been for nothing to actually happened (I.e she was completley wrong and everything she did was just another Darkside/Sith tragedy). Her like Sion, Anakin, Ulic Qel-Droma, etc, etc, learning that they got nothing from the Darkside in the end would have been an amazing ending. I wish they were given a far longer time to develop the story as Kreia, following Revan's footsteps should have in the end also came to the same conclusion (as during the time of KOTOR, "he" decided to stay in the Lightside) that the Darkside was flawed. Throughout the whole story it's very hard to actually tell what she thinks and truly believe and what is just corrupted due to the Darkside as just like Palpatine, she is actually deformed when you meet her in Malachor (She was already twisted due to the Darkside).
I hear you but how then do you reconcile that with Meetra. Her very existence as one who can disconnect from the Force and still be, suggests that it should be an option. Is it really so dastardly that the will of the force should be capable of being denied? I am not sure that this idea is so corruptive. The Jedi teach that the will of the Force is good but is it? I think Kreia asks us to interrogate that. Yes, her teachings were often too much influenced by the dark-sided, particularly her views on manipulation and charity but I think in the end, we see (light sided) Meetra as the best parts of her teaching without the worst parts of it and it makes you wonder, how possible could it be for all persons to be able to freely connect and disconnect from the Force whenever they wish so that its will and their wills could be distinguished.
@@GlenDivo The will of the force is the will of nature, the force being in balance mean the natural order is not perverted by the dark side, that's why in the movies the empire is representitive of tecnology and sterility,basicaly the man imposing himself against nature, as opose to the jedi who live in the nature like Yoda in Dagobah, i think that's what actually represent the real conflict in star wars, not good vs evil as people usually says, but man against nature, so people do have free will in star wars that is the reason why many fall to the dark side, because they impose their selfish desires on the world around them and that is what creates the imbalance
It makes the story much worse, there is no longer a tale of how the wheel could have been broken Once.
Plus Kreia defeat actually proves her right and gives her a conclusion.
I'll always hope we get kotor 3 these game were something special.
I don't know if you created Young Kreia with AI but damn she looks hot
Oh...
The music for these games are so iconic to this day they give me a uniquely strong desire to play the games again think ill reinstall again time to put together a massive modpack again rofl
Thumbnail looks like Lagertha to me.
Happy Birthday Kotor II!
Thank you for the video LUKEY 😘🥰❤️
Oh, cool they reissuing the falcon. I have fully assembled mine a couple of years ago. It is huge. I wish Ebon Hawk would get the same treatment
Don't we all haha
the more I looked at the thumbnail I was like why does this pic look so familiar? oh that was one I generated a few months back haha. funny how it somehow found its way into your thumbnail ;)
Oh?
@@100StarWars yeah I posted it on another website (civitai), and it appears when you search for 'Kreia fan art' on Google. All these thirsty comments about the thumbnail pick lul
7:05 a good question for another time 😂
I loved the fact she went against the dogma of the jedi. Trained Revan, took in the exile and when you find out she was the handmaidens mother I truly felt sorry for this character. She did fight in the war. It was from this war handmaiden was born. She tells you not to tell handmaiden. Ultimately her conundrums made me realize the jedi were not as ethical as I once thought. The attack of the clones showed they crossed a questionable line of morals.
This what I think is Baylon Skoll’s plan.
Darth Nihilus is second only to Revan in my eyes. Even if he isn't as complex and deep as Kreia, his very being presents a great challenge to the idea that the Force is all-powerful.
The strength of Darth Nihilus is terrifying and awe-inspiring.
100% Star Wars Kreia video LETS GOOOOOOO
Heh, I caught that MatPat reference lmao, nicely done haha!
Kreia is an interesting character my friend but at times I find her annoying when playing KOTOR 2. I've heard Kreia say many times to the Exile how she hates the force in that finale battle on Malachor V. I do see how you can destroy the force so I agree that she wouldn't have been successful
Simple she sat there and medicated!!! What???
Meditated*
Just got the craziest, wildest and stupid(est?) idea ever!
What if ...
In some unknown, distant galaxy, some other being came to same conclusion ... but ACTUALLY suceeded ... or partially suceeded ...
And that is how Yuuzhan Vongs were created. :3 Thats why they didnt exist in the force!
And take it even one step futher ... and another 10.000y back:
What if ... and i admit this is ever weirder ...
Some Rakatan technology got to their galaxy, but since it was using The Force as power source, and since they despited The Force so much ... they destroyed it ... but as time was marching on, that reason was forgotten, but the tradition of breaking machines remained, and naturally it expanded to all synthetic creations.
Anyway thats my head cannon from now on. xD
Someone else mentioned that idea too!
Did those teachings from the true sith contain anything about eating people all raw? lol.
Maybe? :D
Omg despite myself playing this game for several times and listening Kreia's dialogues quite accuately, I've never understood the real implications of her plan to essentially decimate the life in galaxy, with survivors becoming resistant to Force and others just dying.
If i could pick one jedi to train me from the entire star wars universe I would pick her.
It has been rumored that she was the Entity in the Sith Warrior story in SWTOR.
Please no because anything in SWTOR contradicts everything in Kotor 1 and 2. also if it is true then it wouldn't have made any sense. That entity literally says it loves vitiate when kreia never even mentions vitiate or met him. Kreia did not seek the death of the Jedi order because she wanted prove that the teachings of the Jedi are wrong.
Sorry for the little rant I just hope that rumor is never proven true because it's proof that bioware did not care at all about Kotor 2.
Darth Traya is far better Antagonist than Darth Mouse.
It was in the Jedi archives, she just deleted it after she found it that's why no one knows about it. It happens a lot, it's just that the Jedi don't want you to know.
Despite all the time and effort, and constant heartbreak surrounding the kotor remake, when the kotor 2 remake finally hits mainstream, this character will go down as the best character of all time within the star wars universe, if she isnt already..
She went to Sith School.
Kreia just needs a pumpkin spice Latte and a cute kitten. She's a bitter post wall, she will be all right.
LOL
There's simply no other character like Kreia.
You're so right!
wow she is so much more then i had thought. she was just a lady that was hurt one to many times and wanted to see her revenge. pore girl
Kreia is Star Wars' Iroh!
I'd argue Jolee is more similar to Iroh, with Kreia being rather Zaheer, who similar to Kreia in Star Wars desired to destroy bending.
I guess that would make Unalaq the Darth Nihilus of Avatar, in the sense that he sought out to find harmony, sacrificing thereby more and more to what is essentially avatar's darkside until eventually ending up fully becoming one with it.
Does the natural resistance to the Force of the Yuuzhan Vong prove that Kreia's plan would have worked?
there is more to the ending which you forgot to mention.
Interesting. I don't remember anything in the game about Kreia having an actual plan to 'kill' the Force (deafen the galaxy, technically); maybe that's in some supporting media? It's been years since I last played the game, so I may be misremembering.
Anyway, I've always interpreted Kreia as being on a journey of discovery. Before she finds the Exile, she doesn't understand what it is to turn away from the Force. During their time together, she studies the Exile intensely, trying to ascertain the great secret. That's why she's so disappointed on Dantooine; the truth (the Exile was afraid) is so mundane, so banal, that it infuriates her. She enacts her plan to eradicate the last Jedi and Sith almost as a temper tantrum.
On Malachor, I don't believe that Kreia had any grand goals or ambitions. It was all a pretense to draw the Exile to confront her. All she wants is for the last of the Jedi and Sith to perish, for the old religions to die. She wants the Exile to pass on her 'truth', of independence from the Force, acting as an example. Kreia's legacy is the most dangerous of all: knowledge.
The unspoken truth that Kreia never understood, that the Exile and Nihilus did, is that life without the Force is not life at all. The Exile had the unique perspective of understanding the Force's absence, granting her a certain wisdom. She is, in that sense, Revan's counterpart; where he is the "heart of the Force", the Exile is the "death of the Force". Combine those perspectives and you start to gain answers to, as Sidious calls it, "the great mystery".
I think if she had succeeded, true balance had come 'cause no more Jedi, no more sith, no light vs dark, only normal people.
Swkotor 2 like swkotor 1 is a masterpiece.
Interesting🙂
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I find it funny because the "true" Sith of Kotor (being the Shadows of Babylon 5) they would never win but even if there defeated there is so much suffering that the win doesn't matter, this wouldn't work for Star Wars (if the game Kotor 3 would been made, it would been not even part of the EU).
The Only Species i see is like them is the Esh-Ka of SWTOR, they see everyone else as Cancer who has to be killed, they also have a god who sleep in belsavis it will break free and you can't stop it.
I like to think that Kreia did kill the force at Malacore, that her death sent an echo out that would take a millennia, but people would slowly lose their connection to the force. That is why Jedi/Sith of the movies are so weak in the force compared with KOTOR and the general population has no knowledge/feeling of the force.
So if Kreia was Arren Kae, which theory I currently do subscribe to, then was she doubly exiled, on the one hand for having a secret affair with Echani general Yusanis AND on the other for creating who would later become Revan and Darth Revan through her teachings? Cause that is in itself both curious and impressive... 🤔
Kreia's plan was never to kill the force. Her plan was to test the Exile.
Kreia could not kill Force, but she could do her best to sever it's connection to galaxy. Cut the string between manipulative Force and sentients of galaxy.
Why kreia look like such a baddie in the thumbnail🥵😮💨😮💨
Go to Horny jail, sir.
She learned how to kill the force because she attended the university of CVNTington and got a PhD in Motherlogy
From what I can understand she believes the Force is the cause of everything wrong with the galaxy
and overall universe
She didn't. She's basically Thanos. She seems to make some kind of sense but then you stop and think about it and realise she's mad. There is only ONE way to kill the Force and that's to destroy all life in the galaxy.
That depends on what theory one goes by. If we go by the theory stated by Obi-Wan in episode 4, where the force is stated to be an energy field controlling the galaxy itself, then yes, only galactic destruction would destroy the force.
However the theory of the living force being essentially the cosmic force's avatar seems to make a lot more sense within the expanded universe: Not only was there a celestial race, that disappeared from the universe, but also there existed a race outside of the galaxy knowns as the Yuuzhan Vong who were once force sensitive but became no longer, thus not having midichlorians (living force avatars) and separating them from the will of the cosmic force.
The bigger problem with her plan is, that she would only remove the living force on a galactic level through an amplified exile. It is very likely, that the mysterious heirs of the ancient sith were somewhere out there, meaning if they ever returned, the galaxy would be completely helpless.
I don't think it wouldve worked.
And she was complety right. The force needs to die, for the people be free.
Wait, that was the plan?! Where's the evidence for her wanting to kill Meetra on Malachor? I thought that was just a final test not her actually trying to kill you to fulfill the entire plan.
For The Exile to prove she has learned everything she must abandon her teacher by rising above her. The Exile must destroy book she learned from and book will encourage her to do so. If The Exile wins by killing Kreia she has learned everything she needs. If The Exile dies she had not learned enough.
Crazy and butt hurt, this one is.
She was bluffing. She never intended to kill the Force, she was just using that lie as an extreme means to spurn the Jedi Exile into acting on their honest personal whims (no matter how sickeningly saccharine or morbidly unhinged), purging out the obsolete elements of both the Jedi and Sith at the time, bringing back the galaxy to a brutally necessary status quo that was temporarily broken by Revan's actions (and one that'll stay that way until Darth Bane showed up a few millennia later; we do not condone the so-called The Old Republic records), and also to finally finish Kreia's well spent tenure in the mortal coil by doing a suicide by cop (think the Zero Requiem).
Suffice to say, that old hag is a magnificent manipulative witch, and it's a shame future generations ended up never remembering much of her and her ambiguous apprentice, apart from some cluttered up and somewhat unfinished historical records.
The art for Kreia sucks she supposed to be extremely old not really young 😂
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