I've wondered a lot about that question about Rodney Mullen. Like you said it's impossible to know, but you really can go deep with the butterfly effect with that question, not only with how skateboarding would be drastically different, but society as a whole. Say if skateboarding did die out and street skating never formed, how many other "extreme sports" that are so heavily influenced from skateboarding would have suffered/never existed? People were jumping bikes long before skateboarding but would it have ever evolved into attaching pegs to the bike so they could grind like the skateboarders could? Other things such as fashion, which Skateboarding has influenced to an extent far greater than most probably realize. Then also things in music and media. Without skateboarding Big Brother Magazine would have never been created, thus Jackass never existing and the dozens of other MTV spinoffs and movies.
I actually don't think so. Street skaters like Natas had almost zero Mullen influence and a much better style than him. People would still be riding around on their skateboards and use the environment, not just hang out at one spot and try all different variations of flip tricks. I actually think Mullen has regressed street skating in some way, since the fun part of riding around on your deck has gotten lost. Mullen introduce the small, hard wheels from freestyle skating, riding around with your friends is only fun with bigger, softer wheels. And the cool parts were handrails, wallrides and lip tricks, not hanging around in just one spot and learning all different variations of flatground flips.
One could argue the first World Industry video Rubbish Heap from 89 is the first new school skateboard video, and Blind Video Days even topped that. Everybody else was still doing old school stuff in 89. Rocco basically presented the world with the new style of street skating.
Yo! You mentioned soap shoes. Now that's obscure... By the way, you have one of the best skate related channels I've seen. You are not pretentious, or try to be someone you are not. These videos remind me of conversations I would have with my friends after a day of heavy skating. Keep it up!
It might seem like the cheesy choice but Mullen is my all time favourite skateboarder. I think that without him we might have been roughly at the same point as we are today, but the tricks would probably have been invented by different guys instead of one single genius :) Great content as usual Aron!
You caN come up with NBDs all day...Nollie Tre-flip to Smith Grind. But one that is emminetly DOABLE but possible NBD are Nollie Flip lip/board slides down rails. Btw, I think that Nollie Boardslides and Lipslides are misnamed!
I think without RM, skateboarding could have evolved into something completely different than what it is today. It could have taken people a hundred years to figure out the tricks he did. Who's knows, maybe longer, or not at all. It's incredible how one person had such a huge impact on skateboarding being what it is today.
seanissomething yeah, it feels like a trick that would've been done by now. Most other variations have been done (big flip front board, treflip lip etc) but not this. And if someone has done it, it should be more well known because it would be a sick trick
question: do you think so skaters are too good to the point that it's almost like watching robots to an extent? I often get this feeling while watching skaters like Paul Rodriguez and torey pudwill with their crazy switch and technical tricks and others as well
feel like skateboarding without Mullen would be 10-20 years back skateboarding , so yeah skateboarding would had died out or be wayyy behind tricks we know of today
If we consider the fact that even in today’s are Rodney Mullen’s tricks are not for every skateboarders (almost impossible to think about them or landing them), Skateboarding wouldn’t have been around anymore. Or it would be a kind of 😪 sport. He’s the 🐐
SUCH an awesome feeling to have asked the NBD question and then having it answered in a video and having the comments talk about; SUPER educational!!! :D
I think it goes Mullen -> Natas -> Mullen. When Rodney Mullen saw what skateboarding had become he got all fired up again and went back did more impossible shit. Natas was the missing link and is another living legend. Luv and Peace.
Ed templeton comes really damn close in a skate demo in the early 90s with mike V to doing a double impossible off a little box, probably the only one will ever see. double merlin, 2 impossibles, 1 rotation has been done though, Johnny giger does it on accident in one of his videos, that seems more reasonable because of being able to stabilize the rotation.
Starting with (flatground) freestyle and then vertical afterward, alongside the artistic views of Stecyk, Friedman, as well as many others , skateboarding would have "died" and become a novelty without Rodney Mullen.
I've seen one but it was on a ledge that dropped down to another ledge and shifted over. So it wasn't as hard to do the rotation. I've never seen it all at once.
You mean on a rail? like get into a frontside tailslide and then just let it get steeper until it's a bluntslide? Sounds pretty easy in fact... or do you mean front tail to front blunt?
yea it is possible skateboarding would have completely died off to the extent that agressive inline did without mullen. Either that or right now we would be at the level that skating skill was in in the early 90s i bet.
If you guys want to see a lot of flatground NBDs, check out Olli Fevang's channel, he has quite unusual half flip/late flip/backfoot flicking stuff, I was legitimately blown away first time I saw his content
Miguel Gonzalez treflip noseslides, and treflip blunts have been dome, I’m sure treflip crook has happened before. I know manny Santiago can do varial heel back 50, and back 5-0 but idk about a laser flip. I’m sure someone like deshawn Jordan, or yoshi tannanbaum could do it onto a box if they tried
coming up with your own tricks is always fun , fingerflip , boneless , and early grab variations , take that and think about how to make it technical boneless 540 hardflip , finger flip hard flip , its very fun , but in contests ? no f that , judges will not take you remotely serious , anyways , alot of people have their own style , but some people think you steal from other peoples style cause that other person is mainstream , even so , its the mindset of doing the tricks not the tricks per se themselves :)
Hmmmm...idk, like you say it's almost impossible to tell.....even today Mullens influence is clearly visible in how people skate today.....other thing is the deck design, if u think like from 1980 to 1990, boards changed shape every like 3 years....there were those pig shape, very wide , stubby....something like 10 by 29....then by like 89 they had narrowed a bit, and the tail was even more narrow....rhen the popsicle came out in like 91, something like that....even though in 91s video days those guy are using wider boards.....26 years later still using that shape....any way, others were probably able to ollie around the same time.....Dressen had sick height......seen vids of him ollieing ( is that a word?) Over picnic tables.....Again like u said Natas , in that same doc. It also says how he was very isolated at times, and skated alot by himself. And when he would meet with Gonz. He sometimes didnt know the names of the tricks he was doing.....Of course Mike v..... BUT MULLEN IS DEFINITELY THE GOD FATHER..... Just to hear him talk..... And he just put out that liminal couple months back Mullens virtual reality part.....CRAZY. 25 years later.....its still CRAZY..... 👍👽👌
The same place we'd be without daewon on instagram he's my favorite no discussion He kicked a wheel off in the air put a different one on no bolt and landed it ridiculous
I think it would've happened with or without Rodney Mullen. Maybe not the same time but at some point most tricks he invented would've got done. I heard a story about Jason lee thinking he invented I think it was tre flips but then finding out Rodney did em first. So what I think would've happened is there would've been a couple different skateboard legends that get recognized for things Rodney Mullen is known for. But who knows like u said maybe he is the reason it didn't fully die out and maybe it would be lame idk.
Kaleoliko Paalua But would he have "thought he invented the tre flip" if there was no such thing as the kickflip, let alone the Ollie! People weren't even doing "tricks" as we know them on a skateboard before Rodney came along. I think you're really underestimating just how much he shaped skateboarding.
Joe Goodwin well theres a hipster style skating , and then old school mind set like myself , but i live in phx hugely hipster style skating area but i have a unique style , just a matter of getting creative :)
Skating would of progressed the same, most stuff Rodney did people cant do n e way, The street tricks are more basic, The battle of the berrics thing is so lame, Rodney would of just done all that crazy freestyle stuff and the other skaters wouldnt even be able to do it at all.
It would have been camp balay cause the dancer sk8ers would have won!! Rocco and Mullen where the only two who studied out clearly !! Did People juggle ball and object's back then in them days? Revers juggling???People tripping out back then seeing a board being monipulated like that , lol like jugglers with devel sticks or Baton's ( reversed but underneath feet , less hands then none,,,you having to have to time your jump / phisics come flooding in !brought years of pushing the envlope !! Were is it going ? My guess super combos! And so on ! Always will stand out more than anything for the fact it's not strapped to you !! Lol And my spelling lol dam
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I've wondered a lot about that question about Rodney Mullen. Like you said it's impossible to know, but you really can go deep with the butterfly effect with that question, not only with how skateboarding would be drastically different, but society as a whole. Say if skateboarding did die out and street skating never formed, how many other "extreme sports" that are so heavily influenced from skateboarding would have suffered/never existed? People were jumping bikes long before skateboarding but would it have ever evolved into attaching pegs to the bike so they could grind like the skateboarders could? Other things such as fashion, which Skateboarding has influenced to an extent far greater than most probably realize. Then also things in music and media. Without skateboarding Big Brother Magazine would have never been created, thus Jackass never existing and the dozens of other MTV spinoffs and movies.
Great comment! That's interesting to think about
You broke my brain in a good way. There would be no skate stoppers in that universe most likely.
I actually don't think so. Street skaters like Natas had almost zero Mullen influence and a much better style than him. People would still be riding around on their skateboards and use the environment, not just hang out at one spot and try all different variations of flip tricks. I actually think Mullen has regressed street skating in some way, since the fun part of riding around on your deck has gotten lost. Mullen introduce the small, hard wheels from freestyle skating, riding around with your friends is only fun with bigger, softer wheels. And the cool parts were handrails, wallrides and lip tricks, not hanging around in just one spot and learning all different variations of flatground flips.
Rad Rat the people have spoken... we want to see your new skate footage.
word but I think he is recuperating from a hurt ankle or something
And I want to film it! I'm headed to my knee doctor in an hour or so. Hopefully he can finally fix me
Thanks for featuring my question! Great content as per, keep it up!
No problem! Thanks for the question bro
Steve Rocco deserves way more credit than he gets for street innovation. at least you mentioned him.
He invented the frontside shove it! As shown in the video
Credit where credit is due
One could argue the first World Industry video Rubbish Heap from 89 is the first new school skateboard video, and Blind Video Days even topped that. Everybody else was still doing old school stuff in 89. Rocco basically presented the world with the new style of street skating.
Yo! You mentioned soap shoes. Now that's obscure... By the way, you have one of the best skate related channels I've seen. You are not pretentious, or try to be someone you are not. These videos remind me of conversations I would have with my friends after a day of heavy skating. Keep it up!
Soap shoes were great. They should have combined them with those shoes that had little wheels in the back that came out a couple years later.
I had a pair of this soap shoes. They were very fun to grind benches and hand rails with but it felt like you were walking in high heels.
They should have combined them with those little wheels on the heel of shoes that came out a couple years later.
It might seem like the cheesy choice but Mullen is my all time favourite skateboarder. I think that without him we might have been roughly at the same point as we are today, but the tricks would probably have been invented by different guys instead of one single genius :) Great content as usual Aron!
I agree. It seems like it would be 'cooler' to have a more obscure choice, but I just can't honestly say anyone is better
What are the advantages/disadvantages of a double kick vs. single kick freestyle board?
Good question! I'll see what I can do
You caN come up with NBDs all day...Nollie Tre-flip to Smith Grind. But one that is emminetly DOABLE but possible NBD are Nollie Flip lip/board slides down rails.
Btw, I think that Nollie Boardslides and Lipslides are misnamed!
I think without RM, skateboarding could have evolved into something completely different than what it is today. It could have taken people a hundred years to figure out the tricks he did. Who's knows, maybe longer, or not at all. It's incredible how one person had such a huge impact on skateboarding being what it is today.
i legit love this channel. been following you for years. since i was kid. lol.
Haha thanks dude
Tre-flip to backside lipslide on a handrail. Don't remember seeing that
Mecha Studio Pretty sure I've seen Chris Joslin do it. I'm gonna look for the video part. Also didn't Shane O'Neill do on in Street League?
Mecha Studio actually, I've done my research and I think you're right. Shane's was a switch tre flip FRONTSIDE lipslide. Can't find a backside one.
seanissomething yeah, it feels like a trick that would've been done by now. Most other variations have been done (big flip front board, treflip lip etc) but not this. And if someone has done it, it should be more well known because it would be a sick trick
seanissomething thats easy tho specialy for shane everyone in my town can 360 flip fs lip no kidding!!! well except me:(
Miguel Gonzalez I'm sure you'll get them soon. 加油💪
question: do you think so skaters are too good to the point that it's almost like watching robots to an extent? I often get this feeling while watching skaters like Paul Rodriguez and torey pudwill with their crazy switch and technical tricks and others as well
I kind of do... That's a good question. I'll try to talk about it soon.
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feel like skateboarding without Mullen would be 10-20 years back skateboarding , so yeah skateboarding would had died out or be wayyy behind tricks we know of today
Backside 180 to any kind of fakie grind the hard way on a rail. NBD?
primo rail grind slide thing? i don't know how to word it
If we consider the fact that even in today’s are Rodney Mullen’s tricks are not for every skateboarders (almost impossible to think about them or landing them), Skateboarding wouldn’t have been around anymore. Or it would be a kind of 😪 sport.
He’s the 🐐
SUCH an awesome feeling to have asked the NBD question and then having it answered in a video and having the comments talk about; SUPER educational!!! :D
Thanks for the question dude!
I wanna see a nollie 360 flip frontside bluntslide
I think it goes Mullen -> Natas -> Mullen.
When Rodney Mullen saw what skateboarding had become he got all fired up again and went back did more impossible shit.
Natas was the missing link and is another living legend.
Luv and Peace.
Was the sal flip ever popular?
Zane Hubay from what I've heard, it was HUUUGE in the late 80s/early 90s on mini Ramps and even on street. It's such an underrated and sick trick too.
Yeah! You'd see it all the time in 89-92 or so
Do you think Rodney Mullen tricks like the impossible, would later be invented without him?
Since you made this about street skating, how about where would pool skating or half pipe/mini ramp be without Duane Peters.
Ed templeton comes really damn close in a skate demo in the early 90s with mike V to doing a double impossible off a little box, probably the only one will ever see. double merlin, 2 impossibles, 1 rotation has been done though, Johnny giger does it on accident in one of his videos, that seems more reasonable because of being able to stabilize the rotation.
Starting with (flatground) freestyle and then vertical afterward, alongside the artistic views of Stecyk, Friedman, as well as many others , skateboarding would have "died" and become a novelty without Rodney Mullen.
have a frontside tailslide to bs bluntslide ever been done?
I've seen one but it was on a ledge that dropped down to another ledge and shifted over. So it wasn't as hard to do the rotation. I've never seen it all at once.
Berran SkejtMann Eric Koston in Pretty sweet. It may have been front tail to front blunt now that I think of it.
You mean on a rail? like get into a frontside tailslide and then just let it get steeper until it's a bluntslide? Sounds pretty easy in fact... or do you mean front tail to front blunt?
yea it is possible skateboarding would have completely died off to the extent that agressive inline did without mullen. Either that or right now we would be at the level that skating skill was in in the early 90s i bet.
What do you think about brands like Creature or santa cruz makeing legit youtube videos?
Shake Junt as well ;) Also, Thrasher (King of the Road) And some Transworld vids.
Good question. I talk about it a bit in Ask Rad Rat 19
Do you think X-Games will still be relevant in 5-10 years? I feel like it's dying, especially with skating in the Olympics being a thing.
If you guys want to see a lot of flatground NBDs, check out Olli Fevang's channel, he has quite unusual half flip/late flip/backfoot flicking stuff, I was legitimately blown away first time I saw his content
360 flip front crook? or laser flip back 50?
Miguel Gonzalez treflip noseslides, and treflip blunts have been dome, I’m sure treflip crook has happened before. I know manny Santiago can do varial heel back 50, and back 5-0 but idk about a laser flip. I’m sure someone like deshawn Jordan, or yoshi tannanbaum could do it onto a box if they tried
#askradrat. I'm new to your channel. I'm a huge fan keep it up. Great stuff man thank you
coming up with your own tricks is always fun , fingerflip , boneless , and early grab variations , take that and think about how to make it technical boneless 540 hardflip , finger flip hard flip , its very fun , but in contests ? no f that , judges will not take you remotely serious , anyways , alot of people have their own style , but some people think you steal from other peoples style cause that other person is mainstream , even so , its the mindset of doing the tricks not the tricks per se themselves :)
What's your take on Todd Falcon?
I think it's cool that he does his own thing.... but he kind of seems like the crazy neighbor that try to avoid whenever you see him
What's your take on Frankie Jackson?
man it was so easy to get sponsored back then
Hmmmm...idk, like you say it's almost impossible to tell.....even today Mullens influence is clearly visible in how people skate today.....other thing is the deck design, if u think like from 1980 to 1990, boards changed shape every like 3 years....there were those pig shape, very wide , stubby....something like 10 by 29....then by like 89 they had narrowed a bit, and the tail was even more narrow....rhen the popsicle came out in like 91, something like that....even though in 91s video days those guy are using wider boards.....26 years later still using that shape....any way, others were probably able to ollie around the same time.....Dressen had sick height......seen vids of him ollieing ( is that a word?) Over picnic tables.....Again like u said Natas , in that same doc. It also says how he was very isolated at times, and skated alot by himself. And when he would meet with Gonz. He sometimes didnt know the names of the tricks he was doing.....Of course Mike v.....
BUT MULLEN IS DEFINITELY THE GOD FATHER.....
Just to hear him talk.....
And he just put out that liminal couple months back
Mullens virtual reality part.....CRAZY. 25 years later.....its still CRAZY.....
👍👽👌
I don't think I've seen a 720 double flip on flat before.
Alfonso @Herrreinsch
most of the stuff on olli fevang channel.
How Many Tricks Did Rodney Mullen Invent?
The same place we'd be without daewon on instagram he's my favorite no discussion
He kicked a wheel off in the air put a different one on no bolt and landed it ridiculous
I think it would've happened with or without Rodney Mullen. Maybe not the same time but at some point most tricks he invented would've got done. I heard a story about Jason lee thinking he invented I think it was tre flips but then finding out Rodney did em first. So what I think would've happened is there would've been a couple different skateboard legends that get recognized for things Rodney Mullen is known for. But who knows like u said maybe he is the reason it didn't fully die out and maybe it would be lame idk.
Kaleoliko Paalua But would he have "thought he invented the tre flip" if there was no such thing as the kickflip, let alone the Ollie! People weren't even doing "tricks" as we know them on a skateboard before Rodney came along. I think you're really underestimating just how much he shaped skateboarding.
Has anyone kickflipped into a back sugarcane? That would be so sick!
I Saw a double impossible on instagram
You can't stop progress.
Why do people now do no complys and boneless and how is it progressing today's skateboarding
Joe Goodwin well theres a hipster style skating , and then old school mind set like myself , but i live in phx hugely hipster style skating area but i have a unique style , just a matter of getting creative :)
people would drive skateboards with their heads
Skating would of progressed the same, most stuff Rodney did people cant do n e way, The street tricks are more basic, The battle of the berrics thing is so lame, Rodney would of just done all that crazy freestyle stuff and the other skaters wouldnt even be able to do it at all.
It would have been camp balay cause the dancer sk8ers would have won!! Rocco and Mullen where the only two who studied out clearly !! Did People juggle ball and object's back then in them days? Revers juggling???People tripping out back then seeing a board being monipulated like that , lol like jugglers with devel sticks or Baton's ( reversed but underneath feet , less hands then none,,,you having to have to time your jump / phisics come flooding in !brought years of pushing the envlope !! Were is it going ? My guess super combos! And so on ! Always will stand out more than anything for the fact it's not strapped to you !! Lol
And my spelling lol dam
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