one of my biggest pet peeves in movies and shows is terrible fight scenes. in this one scene alone, both characters have forgotten that they have 2 arms
Assassin's Creed was literally what I was thinking when that "assassin" in the Acolyte showed up. One of the tenants of the Assassin Order is to "hide in plain sight", even though Assassins are more than capable to fight multiple opponents upfront. And the reason should be obvious: it's much easier to get a pounce on your target if they don't know you are about to. What the hell is the point of her challenging them like that?! What?!!
Well, that's what it is. That's the problem with Star Wars, everything it's possible to write for it is going to feel like fanfiction no matter how good the writer because star wars has so much canonical and EU baggage that there's no space left to write in that isn't going to require overwriting or ignoring something else. Even Lucas would struggle to make a new movie that didn't feel fanfictiony. Star Wars as a franchise should just be brought to a close. No one should own it, there should be no new "canon" entries.
The Acolyte infuriates me with how horrendous its writing is but this sequence right here is everything wrong with modern Disney Star Wars. Rule of cool spectacle with no substance. And look; I love kung fu inspired fights. I do love my battle anime and series. But it’s meaningless if the setup and characters aren’t there. Imagine if we had seen more of Indara life before this moment? Show us that she embodies the Jedi teachings before Mae arrived? I think that could have been a more effective way than “ fight me bro” and having Indara be so incompetent to not stop Mae from attacking INNOCENT patreons. WTF.
BUT MUH LIGHTSABER Unfortunate every episode of any modern star wars show except for Andor has a minimum requirement of one uninspired, substanceless, and no stake fight scene, usually with lightsabers to fulfill Disney's obsession with iconography of a franchise they single-handedly destroyed.
The problem is rule of cool only applies when it's actually cool, and these fights aren't cool. Prequels got lots of rule of cool fight with minimum substance, but they're cool and it's so fun to watch unlike these new stuff.
Star wars is officially dead and there's nothing that can save it at this point. Some people might have thought that when Disney bought Star Wars. It was the beginning of the end. Now it's officially true and those people are right.
I feel like the tension of the whole scene would have been better if the audience followed INDARA into the cantina. She isn't there for any major reason in particular, but we see she's coded as a Jedi and Carrie Ann Moss has the stoic gravitas to pull it off. She solves a seemingly minor bar dispute diplomatically and sits down, but based on how the patrons are acting, we as the audience begin to notice something is not right at the same time she does. It is as that point that Mei explodes into combat with her, having used her own Force abilities to subdue the bar ahead of time. None of us know she IS a Force user yet in the audience, just more of a martial artist. Indara attempts to reason with her and surprise is when Mei exhibits the Force push. Then it could get into how, as she's losing, she uses underhanded tactics to put others in harm's way, resulting in Indara's death. We as the audience do not see Mei's face in the confusion as she flees. This would add heightened tension because it shows Mei is a DANGER to have taken down Indara, we don't know who she is, and so when it jumps to Osha being accused, we actually don't know if it's accurate or not. It keeps us on our toes because now we have a potentially unreliable protagonist narrator. Instead, Mei is nerfed in power and motives because we're supposed to sympathize with her or see her as conflicted or juvenile, but that doesn't make for a good Big Bad to carry your show. We haven't seen enough of her yet.
The writers are not hired based on talent so there’s no understanding of really basic concepts like degradation If you want your character to be cool by overpowering a jedi then don’t make the jedai a fool that can be beaten easily but again writing that would require talent
This scene kind of could exist as it is if was written a bit better. I.e. "an overly confident assassin tries to show off, but the fight doesn't go as planned, so she has to resort to taking hostages." Characters failing in stupid ways and killing people in the process is something Coen brothers could make. And consciously showing main characters' incompetence is underutilized trope IMO.
From what I've seen about the Acolyte, they're not only going for the speed running world record in bad writing, but also setting a record for having the most writing issues in one show.
The writing is terrible but it's the defenders that scare me so much excusing the just horrible motivation not to mention braking physics fire wouldn't burn in space
Star Wars has always had fires in space. If you're criticising that, you need to take a step back and think about exactly where your criticism is coming from. There's plenty to criticise already in Acolyte, there's no need to demand that it also obey physics more than Star Wars ever has before.
On the one hand, I actually do think that from what little we've seen of the show the writers are actually trying to show that Mae is easily manipulated and generally not the sharpest tool in the shed. At least, that's what I hope. For example, when the Jedi form a plan to capture Mae in episode 2, it is actually a more reasonable and careful strategy than Mae's hotheaded and foolish challenge. Other than that, I will agree it is looking quite bad. Dialogues are shallow at best and nonsensical at worst (why would Master's Sol first thought be 'you attack me without a weapon or whatever the English original says? Also, what's that about, doesn't she have the little kunai things?). The second Jedi's death also doesn't make much sense - if the guy wanted to die to atone for whatever happened, why the protective barrier and why would he talk to Mae only after she comes back. Don't tell me he changed his mind, because he says he'd been waiting. I'm not an expert, but there don't seem to be any good shots, it all seems fairly mid. I also think that if you're really going to go with the identical twin trope you should try to make it interesting, but nope, all mystery is revealed as soon as possible. I'm pretty sure they'll predictably use this to connect to the reylo diad they made in the sequels, there are already enough Episode 8 parallelism for me to give them the benefit of the doubt. The actors are a plus I think - again not an expert, but they do seem to be doing great, and the fight scenes are nice to watch.
Omg YES! Mae was more like a cocky bounty hunter than an assassin! What a total NOOB! I was yelling at my screen at the stupidity of it all!!! Sending Mae out to challenge Indara first was a freaking suicide mission and an absolutely MORONIC move on the part of her masters who were TRYING to hide their presence from the Jedi because they were still gathering their strength!!! ISTFG this is SO STUPID!!! This is someone's tumbler self-insert fanfic!
This whole thing relies on the assumption that Mae is supposed to be viewed as smart. I didn't get that impression, I thought this scene was about showing that Mae is an immature, prideful kid. Like, if this *is* bad writing, it's writing so bad that it loops back round to being good writing of the exact opposite of the intended scene. The way that all the civilians immediately mocked Mae, and Indara dismissed her challenge as if it was beneath her, really made it clear to me that we were supposed to be mocking Mae too. With the fight choreography genuinely being pretty good (better than the vast majority of Disney projects), I don't think it's very likely that this scene is badly written. I think it's just a scene about characters you're supposed to not like. It's everything after this scene where the problems start to arise. For example, no one knows how to pronounce "mechanic" and virtually everyone has a gratuitous American accent, even the Jedi who are supposed to represent peak sophistication.
Now normally assuming a show would be bad if the protagist was a POC or some other minority, would kinda be racist... But nowadays with all of this Woke garbage, it's normal to expect it will be bad (with only a few exceptions here and there, but 99.9% of the time, if the character is a POC (or even a Woman of Color) you can rightfully assume "Yup, this is gonna be garbage.")
@@inactivehorse9753 It's not even just a woman of color in this case, but a woman of color that's a "girl boss" and also lesbian too apparently. So no racism here.
You express this in bad way / wrong worlds. Woke agenda success if they provoke you, and you allowed yourself to be provoked. Now they can say that they were right and the racist world is not ready for their woke characters. Now they can say that they were right and they have to create such show / characters to fight racism and break stereotypes :D. As we say in Poland: Have mercy and delete your comment.
@@OhKayEl yeah, this seems to be the only type of character that these modern woke writers can write, thinking it earns them diversity points. But what I say that is, is pure lazyness and narcissism.
A dagger is doing more damage then modern lightsabers
"Death is a concept invented by the Jedi. I don't even know how to spell it."
-Palpatine, from Palpatine's Journey.
@@superspicysoysauce8231 "D-E-A-...!"
one of my biggest pet peeves in movies and shows is terrible fight scenes. in this one scene alone, both characters have forgotten that they have 2 arms
Assassin's Creed was literally what I was thinking when that "assassin" in the Acolyte showed up.
One of the tenants of the Assassin Order is to "hide in plain sight", even though Assassins are more than capable to fight multiple opponents upfront. And the reason should be obvious: it's much easier to get a pounce on your target if they don't know you are about to.
What the hell is the point of her challenging them like that?! What?!!
This just looks more like a fanfiction. More and more plot like this are popping out nowadays, but only few are actually good.
Well, that's what it is. That's the problem with Star Wars, everything it's possible to write for it is going to feel like fanfiction no matter how good the writer because star wars has so much canonical and EU baggage that there's no space left to write in that isn't going to require overwriting or ignoring something else. Even Lucas would struggle to make a new movie that didn't feel fanfictiony. Star Wars as a franchise should just be brought to a close. No one should own it, there should be no new "canon" entries.
This is probably the best, and leanest, breakdown of Acolyte's issues that I've seen.
Theres no reason a jedi master would even lose to her
The Acolyte infuriates me with how horrendous its writing is but this sequence right here is everything wrong with modern Disney Star Wars. Rule of cool spectacle with no substance. And look; I love kung fu inspired fights. I do love my battle anime and series. But it’s meaningless if the setup and characters aren’t there.
Imagine if we had seen more of Indara life before this moment? Show us that she embodies the Jedi teachings before Mae arrived? I think that could have been a more effective way than “ fight me bro” and having Indara be so incompetent to not stop Mae from attacking INNOCENT patreons. WTF.
BUT MUH LIGHTSABER
Unfortunate every episode of any modern star wars show except for Andor has a minimum requirement of one uninspired, substanceless, and no stake fight scene, usually with lightsabers to fulfill Disney's obsession with iconography of a franchise they single-handedly destroyed.
The problem is rule of cool only applies when it's actually cool, and these fights aren't cool. Prequels got lots of rule of cool fight with minimum substance, but they're cool and it's so fun to watch unlike these new stuff.
Star wars is officially dead and there's nothing that can save it at this point. Some people might have thought that when Disney bought Star Wars. It was the beginning of the end. Now it's officially true and those people are right.
Very good breakdown. i don't often find these outside of large essay videos, but a good breakdown is worth its own video
maybe someone will re-edit this like kenobi and yet again it will show fans are actually better then the hacks that are being hired at disney
Well, fans have to rely on actual talent and imagination. Disney hires just have to tick the right identify boxes.
I feel like the tension of the whole scene would have been better if the audience followed INDARA into the cantina. She isn't there for any major reason in particular, but we see she's coded as a Jedi and Carrie Ann Moss has the stoic gravitas to pull it off.
She solves a seemingly minor bar dispute diplomatically and sits down, but based on how the patrons are acting, we as the audience begin to notice something is not right at the same time she does. It is as that point that Mei explodes into combat with her, having used her own Force abilities to subdue the bar ahead of time. None of us know she IS a Force user yet in the audience, just more of a martial artist.
Indara attempts to reason with her and surprise is when Mei exhibits the Force push. Then it could get into how, as she's losing, she uses underhanded tactics to put others in harm's way, resulting in Indara's death. We as the audience do not see Mei's face in the confusion as she flees.
This would add heightened tension because it shows Mei is a DANGER to have taken down Indara, we don't know who she is, and so when it jumps to Osha being accused, we actually don't know if it's accurate or not. It keeps us on our toes because now we have a potentially unreliable protagonist narrator.
Instead, Mei is nerfed in power and motives because we're supposed to sympathize with her or see her as conflicted or juvenile, but that doesn't make for a good Big Bad to carry your show. We haven't seen enough of her yet.
The writers are not hired based on talent so there’s no understanding of really basic concepts like degradation
If you want your character to be cool by overpowering a jedi then don’t make the jedai a fool that can be beaten easily but again writing that would require talent
This scene kind of could exist as it is if was written a bit better. I.e. "an overly confident assassin tries to show off, but the fight doesn't go as planned, so she has to resort to taking hostages." Characters failing in stupid ways and killing people in the process is something Coen brothers could make. And consciously showing main characters' incompetence is underutilized trope IMO.
From what I've seen about the Acolyte, they're not only going for the speed running world record in bad writing, but also setting a record for having the most writing issues in one show.
Modern Disney
Community deserved to montage of Acolyte scenes with Kung Pow sounds / dialogues.
The writing is terrible but it's the defenders that scare me so much excusing the just horrible motivation not to mention braking physics fire wouldn't burn in space
Star Wars has always had fires in space. If you're criticising that, you need to take a step back and think about exactly where your criticism is coming from. There's plenty to criticise already in Acolyte, there's no need to demand that it also obey physics more than Star Wars ever has before.
@@yurisei6732 sorry I should have mentioned it only existed to force the PTSD drama so sorry to offend you
@@yurisei6732 Are you sure it weren't just explosions in the past? I don't remember Luke sitting in space next to a fire.
i am so sorry George Lucas😞
we are grieving, too
this was a great class mate!
Glad you enjoyed it!
WTF? First of all she lost when she took a hostage. Second of all that is not how you assassinate. Asking for a bout is a different thing.
This show it a joke
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!
With each new star wars series was a glimmer of hope that it'll be at Andor's level but I think this was their last chance and they fucked it up
The creators should have played some Hitman
They played it with cheats on.
Definitely what happens when you make a show try to fit your narrative.
2:31 lol joshimuz
The Alcoholic*
Just saying for the assassin part compare that to episode 2 with the failed assassination attempt on Padme.
On the one hand, I actually do think that from what little we've seen of the show the writers are actually trying to show that Mae is easily manipulated and generally not the sharpest tool in the shed. At least, that's what I hope. For example, when the Jedi form a plan to capture Mae in episode 2, it is actually a more reasonable and careful strategy than Mae's hotheaded and foolish challenge.
Other than that, I will agree it is looking quite bad. Dialogues are shallow at best and nonsensical at worst (why would Master's Sol first thought be 'you attack me without a weapon or whatever the English original says? Also, what's that about, doesn't she have the little kunai things?). The second Jedi's death also doesn't make much sense - if the guy wanted to die to atone for whatever happened, why the protective barrier and why would he talk to Mae only after she comes back. Don't tell me he changed his mind, because he says he'd been waiting. I'm not an expert, but there don't seem to be any good shots, it all seems fairly mid. I also think that if you're really going to go with the identical twin trope you should try to make it interesting, but nope, all mystery is revealed as soon as possible. I'm pretty sure they'll predictably use this to connect to the reylo diad they made in the sequels, there are already enough Episode 8 parallelism for me to give them the benefit of the doubt. The actors are a plus I think - again not an expert, but they do seem to be doing great, and the fight scenes are nice to watch.
Omg YES! Mae was more like a cocky bounty hunter than an assassin! What a total NOOB! I was yelling at my screen at the stupidity of it all!!! Sending Mae out to challenge Indara first was a freaking suicide mission and an absolutely MORONIC move on the part of her masters who were TRYING to hide their presence from the Jedi because they were still gathering their strength!!! ISTFG this is SO STUPID!!! This is someone's tumbler self-insert fanfic!
Leaving comment.
hitman unga bunga strat
$180M?
Spoilers: the weiting in the show didn´t got more competent. XD
This whole thing relies on the assumption that Mae is supposed to be viewed as smart. I didn't get that impression, I thought this scene was about showing that Mae is an immature, prideful kid. Like, if this *is* bad writing, it's writing so bad that it loops back round to being good writing of the exact opposite of the intended scene. The way that all the civilians immediately mocked Mae, and Indara dismissed her challenge as if it was beneath her, really made it clear to me that we were supposed to be mocking Mae too.
With the fight choreography genuinely being pretty good (better than the vast majority of Disney projects), I don't think it's very likely that this scene is badly written. I think it's just a scene about characters you're supposed to not like. It's everything after this scene where the problems start to arise. For example, no one knows how to pronounce "mechanic" and virtually everyone has a gratuitous American accent, even the Jedi who are supposed to represent peak sophistication.
My thoughts exactly it doesn’t seem like any alternative was considered
Velocipastor is better than this garbage.
this doesnt even look like star wars wtf
I mean it stars a woman of color protagonist, what did you expect?
Now normally assuming a show would be bad if the protagist was a POC or some other minority, would kinda be racist... But nowadays with all of this Woke garbage, it's normal to expect it will be bad (with only a few exceptions here and there, but 99.9% of the time, if the character is a POC (or even a Woman of Color) you can rightfully assume "Yup, this is gonna be garbage.")
@@inactivehorse9753 It's not even just a woman of color in this case, but a woman of color that's a "girl boss" and also lesbian too apparently. So no racism here.
You express this in bad way / wrong worlds. Woke agenda success if they provoke you, and you allowed yourself to be provoked. Now they can say that they were right and the racist world is not ready for their woke characters. Now they can say that they were right and they have to create such show / characters to fight racism and break stereotypes :D.
As we say in Poland: Have mercy and delete your comment.
@@OhKayEl yeah, this seems to be the only type of character that these modern woke writers can write, thinking it earns them diversity points. But what I say that is, is pure lazyness and narcissism.
That we're past the point where people are still defaulting to "non-white women = bad"?