How to fix the Education System in Pakistan - Dr. Faisal Bari -
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- Dr. Faisal Bari is an economist with over twenty years of research/teaching experience in the areas of economics of education, social protection, industrial organization and economic development. He is an associate professor of economics at the Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS), Lahore, Pakistan, where his areas of teaching and research relate to the economics of education, inclusive education, philosophy of education, microeconomics, game theory and industrial organization. He was also the Dean for the School of Education at LUMS (2020-2023). He is a Senior Research Fellow at the Institute of Development and Economic Alternatives (IDEAS). Previous to this, Dr. Bari was CEO for IDEAS (2015-2020), Executive Director for Mahbub ul Haq Human Development Centre (2004-2006), and Visiting Assistant Professor of economics at Yale University, New Haven (2000-2001). A former Rhodes Scholar (Pakistan-1988), Dr. Bari has a BA (honours) from Oxford, and a doctorate from McGill University. His research has been published in numerous journals/books. He is a regular columnist for the daily Dawn, Pakistan.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:30 Single National Curriculum
9:30 Education Emergency: Rethinking Education
15:30 How did Bangladesh increase literacy
19:30 Schools in low-income housing
25:30 Public Sector Education
29:30 Quality of Education and Exams
34:00 Quality Teachers
37:30 Madrassa Education
41:00 Edtech
46:30 What is Education and Languages
56:30 Teaching Methodologies
1:06:00 Audience Questions 
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In India, we have started mid day meals which works as an incentive for primary and secondary school students to not drop out. Also, many provinces provide free cycles and school uniforms to girls to come to school. Central government has made RTE a law and every private school across India has to keep certain percentage of the seats in each grade for students from weaker sections of the society.
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True , even I benefitted from this initiative( govt school mid day meals),now studying at iit roorkee for btech (2019-2023) and can provide my family and society with some valuable contribution
@@ThePakistanExperienceInvestment in education is pretty important
@@ThePakistanExperience❤❤ from India
I studied free of cost upto class 12 .
My mother served as teacher in Punjab govt sector all her life.
And let me tell you the one of the core problems of our education system is the lack of passion in our teachers. My mother worked so hard and often went out of the way to inspire girls to continue education and not drop out. She personally gave incentives to her students. Asked us( we were schooled in the best of the best schools) to give her ideas on how to teach her students in a better way.
She had the opportunity of establishing a new girls school in a very run down area and there were numerous challenges and she tirelessly worked to promote enrollment and created funds to provide sweaters, bags and amenities to children.
What I'm trying to say is if our teachers are poor, the quality difference between the public and private sector will grow by light years.
Bah !! Your mother was great.
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kudos to your mom, massive respect to your mom
@@ThePakistanExperience Chutiya reply MC shahazad ka
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I was researching Pakistan's education system for about 15 days and trying to find the point on how we can improve the system. This video is very helpful for me. may Allah Make our system successful.
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As a PhD in Architectural Education from UK, I absolutely loved this podcast, so many thoughts and ideas I resonate with, so many inspirations for me to explore further. Thank you for this.
Who asked for your qualifications here?
Your show introduced me to so many new people I didn't know before. You really go all out to share different sides of our society. Can't wait to listen during my long commute - I'm sure I'll learn a ton!
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@@ThePakistanExperience this is a code language
@@RaviRajput-bc9qu IT'S astonishing to see buddha's statue on a muslim's table.
Dr. Faisal shb is exactly telling the ground realities. One of my family members is serving as AEO in Tribal Area, Dr. Shb Mentioned the role AEOs so he knows things better. Mera chota bhai and bhanja khel thy the m ny unko bulaya kh suno ye bnda kh rha hy Nashta kr k jao school wrna kia phro gy, khty hn hm kr k jaty han m ny kia khaty ho, they replied 2 cup Chye and ak ak Rus cake ye hy nashta culture hy in lower middle class. Once our AT (Arabic teacher) said hmry han log Bhook sy chye peety han
I heard this podcast thrice and on the third time ended up taking important notes. Outstanding!
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listen de Anjum altaf on black hole with pervaiz hoodboy
One of the best podcasts of all time, all the right questions were asked and Dr. Faisal Bari is a fountain of knowledge, truly enlightening.
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Some new realities are unrevealed in this podcast, love the way FB explained these realities and also told the ways to solve these issues
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Wonderful conversation. Definitely one of those I'll be listening again.
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Important conversation--Knowledge, experience, wisdom and fact based. Thank you Faisal Bari. Thank you Shehzad.
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It’s surprising that Dr. Faisal Bari just didn’t get it at 1:56 when shehzad intuitively said “Sur ye to meri zindagi ka masla hai”..! It was an epic punch line which was right on time but seems except Shehzad no one in comments could get it ..!!?
What an excellent initiative and so comprehensive a conversation with great coherence Thank you
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The entire education system of the subcontinent needs a fixing today...We r still so focussed on rote learning that the students do not even develop a mind that can think critically and question everything...
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Question papers are so framed that children have no go but rote, those who don't won't get admission in institute and stream of choice.
Has any Business, Management Institute nominated students on its Board to give them real exposure. After all educational institutes are being operated akin ti business.
if we could shift to curriculum based asessments rather than textbooks so students will be needing to rely on 2-3 books to get the concept in much details. Bas abh ye implement hojae and we will be seeing its result within 5 to 10 years.
Again, me working on my code and this podcast in the background! What a treat 😀
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Education Liberates U. 👍
Very humble and thorough personality Dr.Bari. it's really a very informative podcast. 2 hours with him is very less time.
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Another best podcast so far i wish our state must takes his services like Dr umer saif❤ we need such people who have immense knowledge on education crisis
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I've been waiting for you to cover education from a macroeconomic perspective in Pakistan. Thanks! Looking forward to listening to it
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One big advantage of shifting from textbooks based assesments to curriculum based is tha our students wont be relying on ratta you can see fbise implemented SLOs based examinations successfully so why not all the other provinces.
Didn't know who Dr. Faisal Bari was before but it has become one my fav podcasts.
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listen anjum altaf on black hole with pervaiz hoodboy
@@user-np4kq5wf1l Thanks for the suggestion. Would listen to it tonight
Lovely to see professsor bari. I did a field trip with him and took a course as well and the depth of the person and the humbleness is legendary.
I would wonder though - we are also educating individuals in a variety of schools, colleges and universities and leaking them from the country in the form of brain drain. Would an emphasis on education curb that flow or we have to create other incentives for that to happen
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Excellent podcast as always! Hurt but hopeful that Pakistan will see better days! Ameen. Keep up TPE for always keeping Pakistan first !
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It became one of my favourite podcasts. Sir Faisal Bari is my columnist, and I love reading his articles. Thank you Sir bringing a gem like Faisal Bari. He is blessed with enormous knowledge and skills,especially in educational fields ❤.
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Good education is power of world. And change your life. ❤❤❤❤❤
“Only education, self-respect, and rational qualities will uplift the down-trodden.” - Periyar E. V. Ramasamy
The episode I have been waiting for! Thank you Shehzad for bringing Dr. Faisal Bari to TPE!
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Keep it up pakistan ......kya bariya education system hain.
It’s surprising that Dr. Faisal Bari just didn’t get it at 1:56 when shehzad intuitively said “Sur ye to meri zindagi ka masla hai”..! It was an epic punch line which was right on time but seems except Shehzad no one in comments could get it ..!!? Sorry Shehzad.. some people just don’t get you and you the way you got on with it after blank from Dr. Faisal shows how adjusting you are.
Very keen observation from you .. I too paused and expected a witty reply after Shehzad said “ye meri zindagi ka masla hai”.. ! BTW it’s not your masla Shehzad, you have made one for yourself.
@@dr.sofiaqazi thanks. Shezad brings interesting topics and that’s why I follow him. The only thing that i don’t appreciate is belittling hindus
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Do invite *_BILAL GHAURI_* he a columnist from jang paper.
He likes you in politics who supports principal instead of parties or people.
He also has a RUclips channel name TARAZZO in which he makes series on all 3 institution of Pakistan and their roll in history from 47-22 with unbiased opinion and fact's from different sources.
Please do make a podcast with him on Pakistan future it's going to be success.
((its not spam just a fan of his work))
Truly insightful discussion by a great education expert Prof Faisal Bari.
I just love this gentleman.....he talks so sense.......!!
Wow....Quality has improved...With great writer and educationist.
Regarding transport system, the thing is Lahore city wasnt planned in an organized manner. The traffic situation is bad here. Public transport i.e. busses can't function here now. If Govt. initiate them somehow it means more traffic jams considering narrow roads.
I really like your podcast the reason is the guests you invite and you let them share their ideas , we need these ideas to go into the public in order for us especially me to develop an understanding about a particular topic or even think critically.
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As an educationist in the health sector a lot of these are common sense issues and solutions. But nothing changes much over the decades because 'jinko parwa ha, unko ikhtyar nahin; aur jinko ikhtyar ha unko parwa nahin"
Eye-opening podcast! It was my first time listening to Dr. Faisal, but it's abundantly evident he's studied and thought about our education-crisis deeply and has immense wisdom and knowledge.
Is there any way us, the privileged, can do our part and help out?
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Yar idk much but if a privileged person wants to help out he should first influence children towards education. Ap ek ya do needy bachon ka education ka kharcha needs wagera sub kuch uss ek ya do bache ko do. Achi school ka khud search krk usko uss school mei admission dilwado. Do as much as you can afford for that kid. Ek ya do bache k education ka kharcha bhi ajkal lakh sei oupr chala jata lekin agr log zakat o khairat ya achi achi asashon pei ithna paisa laga sakte toh ap k liye ek bache ki education expenses uthana koi ithni bari mushkil nhi ho sakti
@@balachshahwani3577 Love it! Really well said buddy.
Discovery channel made me fall in love with science.
Really loving your podcasts. For me , i love listening to smart people who have passion of upliftment of country. Hope your podcast has positive effect on pakistan in long term
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We must be increase madresa education in the world ❤❤
The level of importance being given to education in Pakistan is proved by the fact that we do have a caretaker minister for Culture but not for Education!!
Want more podcast with Dr bari. I just want an unending podcast ❤. Happy to hear such an intellectual
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I discovered my dad's grandpa's school documents from British era 1800's 😊 they were infact given Certificate of passing in school final. Hygiene was one of the subjects too at that time. He did his schooling from his village in Southern India.😊 I am really surprised and shocked sitting in 2023 u guys r discussing Education at a bare basic level!? What were u guys doing during Pre-independence Pak geography of current time!??? My Grandma was a qualified Chartered accountant went on to learn software programming in her 50's😊.
BW - Every generation of my family one or the other became teachers- school , college , University. To this day it continues. We r so happy luckily that we r still seen with Respect , honour by our alumni across the world.
Wahh. Congrats. Really glad on your success! Hope u got the validation u were seeking on a podcast from a country that God knows what they were doing while your grandma was learning software in 50’s :) As a Pakistani, im here because the matter of education in my country effects me and my patriotic spirit. But always wonder what all the indians in the comments are listening these podcasts for? Validation and feel good vibes I assume :) very telling of the educated mindset in india.
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The narrative of hate is the downfall of your nation Saeed.
Good luck
The fact that you took my comment as hate makes me wonder how everything in your life must be stimulated externally. Why care about my nation’s downfall while yours is clearly succeeding. And before you see irony in my statement, look inwardly to find out why ‘you’ think im actually not applauding that but must mean something else. Also you never answered my question, ‘why are sooooo many indians watching Pakistani poscasts? To get educated or feel good about themselves. Its a shame you wouldnt agree to either 🫤
Wow! U really come from an educated family.
In those times passing the matric examination was also an achievement!
Insightful and thought provoking discussion
I urges you to invite professor joga singh virk of punjabi univercity patiala , who have deep knowledge on this topic ,several state govts in india take his advice regarding education and linguistic issues.
It is Dr. Murali Manohar Joshi who planned and implemented Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan to improve quality of education, NIT, more IITs. He looks humble but a nuclear physics professor...
The guy is philosopher and has such a calm rational tone. Nice.
I noticed in pak experts opinions either they suggest impossible things or not reasonable ideas.
Everyone ,try to show other nation policies, rather than understanding their own strength .
Salam, good talk. I hope all the recommendations of Dr Bari Sb are implemented soon.
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The most realistic podcast on education.
An interesting and thought Provoking discussion. However, discussion on the role of non-profits, their limitations and plus-points could also have given some more insights into the subject. Anyways, was an excellent discussion!
"i almost think this is unique problem to Pakistan "
sums it up lol
Shezad, you're amazing. Lots of love and dua's. Keep safe, and keep doing what you do!
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The results of your trip to Lahore are great. I hope you go to California in the near future,
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Thank you so Much Shehzad Bhai.......!!
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Right focus.
I loterally cried jab he said 19:09 ki kaam karna padta hai Ghar nahi chalta and security ke masle hai kitni aam ho gayi hai ye baat ki itna casually bol dia
Awesome set and insightful debate
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This was really educating podcast. Gave me a bigger perspective on society and education system. Please invite more people like him instead of IK bashers.
This will be interesting...my favourite topic education
@ThePakistanExperience i hope the nation gives u due credit and respect for respectable podcasts and extraordinary information u bring out for us and in a common man terms ....bhai let me put forwaes a request can u do 2 podcasts ...1 on moral values and what we lack n how we can improve ....2nd a chit chat cast videi with junaid akram bhai ( not a serious 1 bus ahugal ho which covey msg to awam )...please 😊
Firstly, i would congratulate you on utilising this platform on highlighting the very basic issue of our country and bringing so much knowledge to us. Thankyou for that. Secondly, being a lawyer, who graduated from an external programme degree (University of London), wants to pursue his career but degree itself is not enough for graduates like me to start from scratch, we need at-least 2 more years to understand the very basic of Pakistani Law. Please do have an experienced lawyer to critically evaluate the whole problem and provide solution to this.
Thankyou.
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It's very difficult to change education/mediawhen Army is in control.....these things form identity of person...Army don't want to loose old India/pakistan narrative..which can only be controlled by identity
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Dr. Bari is a proper legend
Great Discussion
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A Humble Request!
Please invite Dr Ashu Lal Faqeer ❣️
36:50 pe inka joke bohot hi sarra hoa tha.
But it hit me hard. I got my son into a cheap Kindergarten here in China as we will leave in a few months. The fees is 3000 RMB a month. And the English teacher they have hired is a Moroccan who did exactly this. G.I.R.L Gurrrll.
3000 main yehi level milay ga.
Thanku for this wonderful podcast ❤
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Richard Feynman* Keep up the good work!!
Such a valuable podcast!! 💯
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Indian here. From karnataka, state language is kannada but govt has opened urdu medium school with kannada as a subject. I feel so grateful to be born here
Urdu?so what was the reason for that?
I mean urdu is not karnataka's language, I think it's uttar pradesh's.
There are some people who do speak urdu but there are more people who speak other languages like hindi and stuff.
I have seen people in karnataka being conservative when it comes to kannada but getting liberal for Urdu seems new.
@@Shva927 muslims speak urdu here in karnataka. Not all but enough do
EdTech can be very very helpful in primary education, but not for students. It can be used extensively for teachers training and evaluation.
If EdTech added with AI is implement at public sector for evaluation of teachers that is linked with incentives and promotion etc. can be very helpful.
Good show, invite the guest again.
EDTech is good only for older or matured people/kids. Kids need social interaction and human involvement. So its better that we stick to im person in school teaching with a little bit of hybrid model showing informative videos in class.
Who is responsible for the curriculum?
Without doubt, the most important person in the curriculum implementation process is the teacher. With their knowledge, experiences and competencies, teachers are central to any curriculum development effort.
Prof Bari ❤
One of my favourite❤
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Abdul wahab Suri ko ap janty han ya ni I don't know but I think he is one of the best lecturer and wonderful human being I hope you reach him
I love your podcast man .Love from India ❤
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30:00 SLOS kia they sir ?
Madrasa Education is the best in the World.
Yeah!! Better than believing in Monkey,Elephant wala Bhagwan.
@@manu.ba374Yeah! Better than believing in a Pedophile Prophet😂
Yes I have seen progress of Pakistan.
@@manu.ba374that elephant is more intelligent than Muhammed the father unknown
@@rohanpawar2166Phat se headshot de diya bhai
Since he emphasised reason/rationality, there are two really great books related to this: Enlightenment Now, and Rationality by Steven Pinker.
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The biggest problem in Pakistan is that most people aren't getting an education that can develop critical, rational, and scientific thinking. Bad education eventually leads to a high crime rate, and human rights violations.
Good Stuff Man!
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Madarsa education is good for.islam we love Islamic education and western and It education is Haram for the Islamic world we all should go to madrasa
Why fight war when one can surrender !! ~ The greatest army in the world whose 93,000 Very brave soldiers surrender to Indian armed forces (93,000 wow )
Man! There was no need to comment this in this podcast.
Great work yaar... absolutely unexpected.
P.s: I am a regular viewer and I really have to say this set up is very good than the old green one..I wonder if u could get this over Karachi podcasts too😅
Thanks. No chance though 😅
Keep up the good work shezad bro, once again I'm saying please invite sir tariq ali again😂❤.
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Exteremly exellent guest.
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Not only fix it but increase investment exponentially as national strategic framework of massive investment in human capital.There is no other option that will add value.
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What is syllabus in American?
What Is a Syllabus? Why Syllabuses Are Important | Shorelight
A syllabus is a document that outlines all the essential information about a college course. It lists the topics you will study, as well as the due dates of any coursework including tests, quizzes, or exams. Your professors will give you a syllabus for each of your college classes
Till the truth is taught to students from the school itself, even students passing has no meaning.
Plz upload few podcast on teaching method
Please share the portion on vouchers as a part of the clips. I think too many of these suggestions are part of a top down approach from pollicy makers with a very limited perspective. Miftah Ismail's suggestion seems to be a bit vague and based on anecdotal evidence.
On it
We in India too have to go through the local language issue. We have more languages in this country than in Pakistan.The educationists came up with a three language formula where in the student learns English, their local language and a third language of any other state/Sanskrit/or a foreign language. One should remember that language is only a medium through which the child learns other important subjects like Math, Science and Social studies. I personally feel one only one language should be mandatory (English) and a second language could be taught which could be the child's mother tongue. Instead of using their valuable time to acquire the knowledge of a third language they could learn other important subjects.
Amazing podcast but you skipped Homeschooling, pls do a separate podcast in homeschooling phenomenon.
Hopefully, his comments will help me in CSS essay.
First step Pakistani elite read Nation Education Policy 2021& it's implementation plan.
Reality of Pakistan is 30,000 Madrasa produce 30 Lakh Jehadi mindset every year
Well poken by a Bromen servitude extremist.😂😂
You had British made education system and still produced 1000 million fake history peddling superstitious zombies. You are the last ones to advice Pakistan on how to run their country.
How to improve teaching plz do podcast on this . plz
V r willing to improve but plz provide interaction talks of intlectual ,