2:10 THANK YOU!!!! Finally!! I'm so used to hearing other "punks" say they're Anarchist but dont care about the government at all. I mean how can one oppose something and be indifferent to it? Take a stand, believe what you want! thats what punk is really about. Not studded jackets or hairstyles. Jello 4 Prez!!!
when i listen to albuns by DK i understand that they in 1984 talked about what we are living today, corporations werent that big in the 80s but they knew where things here going, and now DK songs have come true, corporations and governments and banks control us all, and the grip is getting tighter and tighter and people dumber and dumber
Anarchy isn't some kind of 'oh if only people were all perfect, we could have anarchy'. Anarchy is a necessity precisely BECAUSE of how people treat each other, the abuse of power structures and so forth.
@@isetmfriendsofire If people were 'perfect', authoritarian modes of organising human society wouldn't be such a problem because people in positions of authority would always act to the best of their ability in the public interest (etc.). Think the Stoic Marcus Aurelius as emperor of Rome - but he was an extremely unusual person in history. The reality, i.e. the world we actually live in, is totally different. People go power mad, pursue their own career, riches, glory, lie, are bought off, act cowardly, and so on. The sensible thing is, in short, to decentralise power as much as practical. That's the essential purpose of democracy (actual democracy), 'political' and 'economic'. Also why any 'anarchism' that eschews democracy is socially irrelevant. This is just one aspect but it answers your question. In a positive sense, you need a social system which facilitates people cooperating and resolving their differences in a productive, win-win, way. Good will is fairly irrelevant when institutional incentives are anti-social. 'Good' people achieve little on a board of directors when market force dictate that acting on good will means economic annihilation. That's why you must change the system, not just populate it with do gooders. But I digress.
I largely agree with the #1 poster above, but creating a society that is "non-hierarchical" is impossible. There will ALWAYS be some form of hierarchy because some people DO THINGS BETTER than other people and those people will naturally be looked to as "leaders." Jello Biafra himself is at the top of a "punk rock" hierarchy as is Henry Rollins and Ian McKaye. In fact, since the # 1 poster above is at the top of this RUclips thread, he is part of a hierarchy too!
@ofilhodaviuva Hierarchy is just a social ordering system, not necessarily connected to government and not necessarily a bad thing. Recognition for one's art does indeed create a sense of hierarchy because some artists are better than others. In the world of classical music, Yo-Yo Ma is "high" in the hierarchy. People naturally gravitate towards "leaders" or "high achievers" in any given social system. Hierarchy is unavoidable.
Vote 4 Ron Paul 2012! If u want something close to true anarchism, vote libertarian, Ron Paul is the anti-government politician and the only man in congress that is fighting for our Freedom and civil Libertys
I don't know if anarchism is neat enough to be put into a political ideal. its really a method as I understand it. chompsky talks about how anarchism can be a tool for tearing down what doesn't work when it doesn't work and starting a fresh. s it is about the self regulation of a society where you have small groups of people who determine there own destiny in their area with the combined power of everyone in the community and anything that interrupts that cohesion is removed. similar ideals to socialism in a way but using different methods, using people to enforce social cohesion not the state imposing it on the popul population. see the anarcho cyndicalism in spain, it's been sprouting over there for 80 plus years. worker run and owned enterprises etc
it's also interesting that the United States only intervenes in countries under the flag of 'humanitarian intervention', when they have something to gain. Hence why they have left Darfur alone, the Chinese have a monopoly on the fuel supplies there.
No it doesn't. You see, music doesn't define who I am. I define who I am. Just because I like the Dead Kennedys doesn't mean have to agree with their policies.
@obnoxiousnickname Well "Libertarian Socialists" are a bit different than Democratic Socialists, the main difference being that Libertarian Socialists usually call for revolution.
what i mean by that is that as you sink more into a socialist economy we become dependant on the government for support. such as those collecting welfare. in many situations its not wrong to help those in need but we have to stay closer to "equal opportunity" and farther from "equal payoff"
well yeah. less government is the way this country started. and it worked for a long time. recently with the government getting more and more involved our countrys been slowely sinking down. both economically and moraly
thanks atleast someone understands what im saying...people also need to realize Anarchy is not Chaos...its just a system without a centralized governing body...it doesnt mean that we would be killing each other in the streets...although maybe we would.
@Problems123 even the best insurance companies spend time searching for loop-holes that enable them to withhold money that YOU GAVE THEM! The health-care bill may not be perfect (because the public option was removed and lobbyists fucked the bill's ass with pork) but it is better and far more ethical than any for-profit institution.
@utube9000 I guess there is not that kind of hierarchy whereby you place Biafra, Rollins and McKaye as "leaders". In my opinion they are people who has gotten attention for their work, not as part of hierarchy, but essencially as notable artists.
@chrisolaf530 With Noam it's really hard to tell, I've heard interviews where he talks about how great anarchy is but then I hear ones where he trashes it as an impractical theory and talks about socialism. The best bet would be that he is a libertarian socialist which pretty much falls under the umbrella of democratic socialism
You know if you take the song Bleed for me and replace Ronnie with Bush it sounds like it was made just a month ago. Same thing with if you replace Reagan with Bush in "We got a bigger problem now" it sounds like it was made just a year ago. It's really spooky. Dead Kennedys rule.
well I understand that. I just guess I was thinking you like their music because you agree with the message they want to portray about certain topics. its you and I am not trying to judge in any way
If the Holy Bible was still being written, some 1900 years after the Book of Revelation, Eric (Jello) would definitely be included in it. "The Book of Jello". Only problem is the Book of Jello might be longer than the entire Bible itself.
ves with codes of conduct and such, we are by nature very gentile creatures we just have to let down all this armour of sensibilities beliefs and such and just relax and fall back into nature dont worry reality isn't out to get you you belong to it
um, how would you suggest the habits of behavior would chance at all. I´m not saying anarchy is an ideal I´m saying implementing anarchy on any larger scale than could fit comfortably on a few acres is damn near impossible and therefore a waste of energy when we could be focusing on implementing things in our own life that DO work.
@chrisolaf530 Well the divide between reform and revolution is something that has always been present in politics. While it is a big problem with the radical left, most leftist political theories have more to say about how a government is to be run rather than the reform vs revolution. Libertarian Socialism is basically Democratic Socialism with an emphasis on individual rights and freedoms instead of economic equality and classlessness
@Problems123 I don't understand you....This video is about not being selfish or greedy and here you are hating on a flawed yet inherently selfless proposition. the Government can take better care of you than a corporation who's only goal is to leech as much money out of you as possible without actually having to pay for your well being. Insurance companies only offer better coverage because it is the only commodity they have to bargain with....continued
@BeatnikFromHell666 So how much land is required for, say, one family to sustain themselves for one year growing their own food? Multiply that by the amount of families in the world then divide that by the amount of arable land available on the planet and tell me if it's sustainable.
Can someone please tell me how anarchy would work? So we can't believe in god? And how would we get an education or learn the laws of the road and other little things like that?
Depends on what kind of republican you are talking about. Sure, I think that Jello doesn't agree with the Christian-right republicans (Sarah Palin for example). But he does want as small of a government as possible, which is what most non-religious and religious republican want.
@straightedge442 A better term for that particular term that is so readily bandied about these day is Propertarianism. Libertarianism is the word the original European anarchists ascribed to themselves, now it has been corrupted and recouperarated by the hard right.
@TheAnarcrusty so because he is black that makes him unable to be criticized for anything, including pushing the very same policies as Bush did? Wow...
See that's the thing, we are not by nature gentle creatures. We are savage greedy and violent by nature, what we need to do is stand against the system that says we need to ignore the greedy corporates. Fuck that, I am through starving because our country doesn't give a fuck about us. It is time to take a stand and rise to the occasion, and fight for our rights. How do you think Rosa Parks got known? What about King? JFK? They stood up for them because they had nothing left to lose.
we are pack animals we are inherently incapable of anarchism. The modern (mis)understanding of the term's anarchy or anarchism or what have you has effectively created a well needed mockery of "isms" which I view as insecure premeditated methods of babysitting ourselves. If you dare call yourself an anarchist why don't you just take one more step and just admit that like us all you have no idea who you are or what life is or how we should behave at all. we can get along without forcing oursel
I wasn't trying to win shit you just pissed me off, but thats "survival world" for ya my point (has nothing to do with being right just necesary) is that noone has to stay in it and most people can't handle it ("trash a bank if you got real balls"). I'm sorry about your dad I know what thats like.
friends for sure but if anyone in the world is just a dick it might be me. And its all good on the knocking of opinon thing.... its easy to misinterperet it for some kumbiah shit but I just gotta live simply or I go crazy and start attacking strangers again, and like most people I usually think everyone should agree with me lol..... I'm less of a hippy and more just struggling to stay off my meds and out of prison at the same time.... Just try to do the same homie its a interesting lifestyle
not necessarily, I think you're thinking of "MTV anarchy" not conceptual anarchy. under an anarcho-capitalist society we would have private police hired by the people, we would have a localized court system that would only have jurisdiction to the town or city and would run under most of the basic constitutional laws that America should be running today but has forgotten. Peace
Anarchism is naturally socialist anyways. Anarchism is just radical socialism. I'll try and make a venn diagram type thing for you all: ((Anarchism)Socialism)
first of all you are the one getting quite a rise out of someones opinions contrary to your own, second of all 21 and 14 are pretty much the same thing. And third of all you werent merely opening up new levels of thought you were expressing your difference of opinion in an oppressive manner thus being totally hipocritical and THAT is why I called you a teenager. get into it or get over it. I've been on the street (not in a college town or some road kid hub)........
exactly so why did you start it. your still stuck in this whole "god desn't exist" shit its true but get over it.... were all omnipitent in our choices and we actually can survive effortlessly. Just go have fun being a teenager you have plenty of time for surviving believe me.
2:10 THANK YOU!!!! Finally!! I'm so used to hearing other "punks" say they're Anarchist but dont care about the government at all. I mean how can one oppose something and be indifferent to it? Take a stand, believe what you want! thats what punk is really about. Not studded jackets or hairstyles.
Jello 4 Prez!!!
I guess lotsa undercover punks out there. No studs, no leather, no died and spiked hairs!
Not only that, but they ignore Capitalism too as if the rich arent only on it for themselves
when i listen to albuns by DK i understand that they in 1984 talked about what we are living today, corporations werent that big in the 80s but they knew where things here going, and now DK songs have come true, corporations and governments and banks control us all, and the grip is getting tighter and tighter and people dumber and dumber
Love Dead Kennedys. I feel like they’re the closest we had in the 80’s to the English anarcho-punk scene in terms of sound and message.
Spot on, DK and SubHumAns are still the two best at opening up the mental floodgates
Jello Biafra for president.
Anarchy isn't some kind of 'oh if only people were all perfect, we could have anarchy'. Anarchy is a necessity precisely BECAUSE of how people treat each other, the abuse of power structures and so forth.
I know this is super old, but can you elaborate on this? Now with 7 years of experience since?
@@isetmfriendsofire If people were 'perfect', authoritarian modes of organising human society wouldn't be such a problem because people in positions of authority would always act to the best of their ability in the public interest (etc.). Think the Stoic Marcus Aurelius as emperor of Rome - but he was an extremely unusual person in history.
The reality, i.e. the world we actually live in, is totally different. People go power mad, pursue their own career, riches, glory, lie, are bought off, act cowardly, and so on.
The sensible thing is, in short, to decentralise power as much as practical. That's the essential purpose of democracy (actual democracy), 'political' and 'economic'. Also why any 'anarchism' that eschews democracy is socially irrelevant.
This is just one aspect but it answers your question.
In a positive sense, you need a social system which facilitates people cooperating and resolving their differences in a productive, win-win, way.
Good will is fairly irrelevant when institutional incentives are anti-social. 'Good' people achieve little on a board of directors when market force dictate that acting on good will means economic annihilation. That's why you must change the system, not just populate it with do gooders. But I digress.
@@EclecticSceptic that’s actually so sick you were able to respond to them after 7 years
Boulder in Colorado. I love his accent too; it's very soothing.
punk has and always will be to me more then music
Music is still relevent, What a stage dive by jello!!
DK in the magical year of 1984? Awesome!!
~now it is nineteen eighty-four, knock-knock at-a your front door!~
2:04...sadly almost everyone I work with thinks that way...
ah man! they cut it short b4 the song ended. jello has an awesome stage presence
I largely agree with the #1 poster above, but creating a society that is "non-hierarchical" is impossible. There will ALWAYS be some form of hierarchy because some people DO THINGS BETTER than other people and those people will naturally be looked to as "leaders."
Jello Biafra himself is at the top of a "punk rock" hierarchy as is Henry Rollins and Ian McKaye. In fact, since the # 1 poster above is at the top of this RUclips thread, he is part of a hierarchy too!
Ray looking quite dapper in that concert footage 😎
"If you liked 1984 ...................... you'll love 2020"!
"To a new world of old God's & invisible monsters".
@ofilhodaviuva Hierarchy is just a social ordering system, not necessarily connected to government and not necessarily a bad thing. Recognition for one's art does indeed create a sense of hierarchy because some artists are better than others. In the world of classical music, Yo-Yo Ma is "high" in the hierarchy. People naturally gravitate towards "leaders" or "high achievers" in any given social system. Hierarchy is unavoidable.
this video is not really that much of jello on anarchism but more of the song we've got a bigger problem now
@obnoxiousnickname
Orwell was a Trotskyist-leaning Democratic Socialist, Noam Chomsky is an Anarchist, Zinn was somewhere in between these two.
He didnt change the words at all. This song is called we gotta bigger prolem now, its on the in god we trust inc. ep.
Many kudos to you!!!
good observation
Thanks for posting, good vid
he might run for prez in 2012
@BeatnikFromHell666 ... that's a lot to get thru! x
jello sounds like he needs to blow his nose hahaha
but he is so AWESOME!!!! i would totally vote for him for prez!!!
Vote 4 Ron Paul 2012!
If u want something close to true anarchism, vote libertarian, Ron Paul is the anti-government politician and the only man in congress that is fighting for our Freedom and civil Libertys
In a democracy the government should fear the citizens. In America, it is quite the opposite.
ye! hes really good when it comes to taking the piss out of people. he can just change lyrics on the spot
I don't know if anarchism is neat enough to be put into a political ideal. its really a method as I understand it. chompsky talks about how anarchism can be a tool for tearing down what doesn't work when it doesn't work and starting a fresh. s it is about the self regulation of a society where you have small groups of people who determine there own destiny in their area with the combined power of everyone in the community and anything that interrupts that cohesion is removed. similar ideals to socialism in a way but using different methods, using people to enforce social cohesion not the state imposing it on the popul population. see the anarcho cyndicalism in spain, it's been sprouting over there for 80 plus years. worker run and owned enterprises etc
it's also interesting that the United States only intervenes in countries under the flag of 'humanitarian intervention', when they have something to gain. Hence why they have left Darfur alone, the Chinese have a monopoly on the fuel supplies there.
No it doesn't. You see, music doesn't define who I am. I define who I am. Just because I like the Dead Kennedys doesn't mean have to agree with their policies.
@obnoxiousnickname Well "Libertarian Socialists" are a bit different than Democratic Socialists, the main difference being that Libertarian Socialists usually call for revolution.
what i mean by that is that as you sink more into a socialist economy we become dependant on the government for support. such as those collecting welfare. in many situations its not wrong to help those in need but we have to stay closer to "equal opportunity" and farther from "equal payoff"
chillin out maxing relaxing and cooling shooting somw b-ball outside of the school.....lol
🤘🏻🖤
well yeah. less government is the way this country started. and it worked for a long time. recently with the government getting more and more involved our countrys been slowely sinking down. both economically and moraly
thanks atleast someone understands what im saying...people also need to realize Anarchy is not Chaos...its just a system without a centralized governing body...it doesnt mean that we would be killing each other in the streets...although maybe we would.
too fucking rite mate!
Sorry to hear about your father, but don't give up, because we can live in peace if we try hard enough.
@Problems123 even the best insurance companies spend time searching for loop-holes that enable them to withhold money that YOU GAVE THEM! The health-care bill may not be perfect (because the public option was removed and lobbyists fucked the bill's ass with pork) but it is better and far more ethical than any for-profit institution.
@BeatnikFromHell666 we need peace and smarts for it to work
Let's put it this way, Republicans want less govt. spending unless it's military spending.
I think he is a Distributist in practice, especially since he started his own record label.
@utube9000 I guess there is not that kind of hierarchy whereby you place Biafra, Rollins and McKaye as "leaders". In my opinion they are people who has gotten attention for their work, not as part of hierarchy, but essencially as notable artists.
@chrisolaf530 With Noam it's really hard to tell, I've heard interviews where he talks about how great anarchy is but then I hear ones where he trashes it as an impractical theory and talks about socialism. The best bet would be that he is a libertarian socialist which pretty much falls under the umbrella of democratic socialism
You know if you take the song Bleed for me and replace Ronnie with Bush it sounds like it was made just a month ago. Same thing with if you replace Reagan with Bush in "We got a bigger problem now" it sounds like it was made just a year ago. It's really spooky. Dead Kennedys rule.
What is this version of California Uber alles it's lyrically better tenfold!
Bubble Gum “we have bigger problems now” it’s on in god we trust and it uses a lot of jazz elements too, it’s pretty good
well I understand that. I just guess I was thinking you like their music because you agree with the message they want to portray about certain topics. its you and I am not trying to judge in any way
If the Holy Bible was still being written, some 1900 years after the Book of Revelation, Eric (Jello) would definitely be included in it. "The Book of Jello". Only problem is the Book of Jello might be longer than the entire Bible itself.
Jello has a cold.
i would read the shit out of that book
For chrissakes have an opinion!!
ves with codes of conduct and such, we are by nature very gentile creatures we just have to let down all this armour of sensibilities beliefs and such and just relax and fall back into nature dont worry reality isn't out to get you you belong to it
Around thre playground is where he spent most of his days...
thats what most people gotta do if they stay real keep ya head up
um, how would you suggest the habits of behavior would chance at all. I´m not saying anarchy is an ideal I´m saying implementing anarchy on any larger scale than could fit comfortably on a few acres is damn near impossible and therefore a waste of energy when we could be focusing on implementing things in our own life that DO work.
@chrisolaf530 Well the divide between reform and revolution is something that has always been present in politics. While it is a big problem with the radical left, most leftist political theories have more to say about how a government is to be run rather than the reform vs revolution. Libertarian Socialism is basically Democratic Socialism with an emphasis on individual rights and freedoms instead of economic equality and classlessness
Well thats what i m talking about, but no one ever listens
I have no opinion on Obama or politics but the DK's rule! They don't have a bad song!
Oh I knew that. Don't worry.
jello biafra rules
FOR CHRISSAKES HAVE AN OPINION!!!!!!
San Francisco.
@Problems123 I don't understand you....This video is about not being selfish or greedy and here you are hating on a flawed yet inherently selfless proposition. the Government can take better care of you than a corporation who's only goal is to leech as much money out of you as possible without actually having to pay for your well being. Insurance companies only offer better coverage because it is the only commodity they have to bargain with....continued
Either that or Wikipedia is fucking with me....
What do you mean "roman?" Anyway, I know he's talking about Orwell's novel. I've read it.
@BeatnikFromHell666 agreed, however most anarchist societies would wipe out the monetary system anyway.
@BeatnikFromHell666 So how much land is required for, say, one family to sustain themselves for one year growing their own food? Multiply that by the amount of families in the world then divide that by the amount of arable land available on the planet and tell me if it's sustainable.
@oftenlostinwhat kinda like jello i guess
He was almost made a candidate to represent the Green Party in the 2000 election, wasn't he?
@arachnoblaster No gods, no managers - Choking victim :0
Jello's saying "think for yourself" unless you're Republican. That's a contradiction.
Can someone please tell me how anarchy would work? So we can't believe in god? And how would we get an education or learn the laws of the road and other little things like that?
Depends on what kind of republican you are talking about. Sure, I think that Jello doesn't agree with the Christian-right republicans (Sarah Palin for example). But he does want as small of a government as possible, which is what most non-religious and religious republican want.
You wanna reevaluate your statement 13 years later? Lol
@straightedge442 A better term for that particular term that is so readily bandied about these day is Propertarianism. Libertarianism is the word the original European anarchists ascribed to themselves, now it has been corrupted and recouperarated by the hard right.
what ever happened too all the teenage angst we had as teenagers todays punk bands ive you want too call it that suck. all sounds like whining
WTF did the Army do to him why was he against the army??
1984 is real.
blathering
Depends on what your morality is.
@SLACKINGJUGGALO punk should be, bad sadly isn't. Bands like DK don't exist any more.
Reference 'Libertarian Socialism' esp. Mikhail Bakunin to Avram Noam Chomsky...
@TheAnarcrusty so because he is black that makes him unable to be criticized for anything, including pushing the very same policies as Bush did? Wow...
See that's the thing, we are not by nature gentle creatures. We are savage greedy and violent by nature, what we need to do is stand against the system that says we need to ignore the greedy corporates. Fuck that, I am through starving because our country doesn't give a fuck about us. It is time to take a stand and rise to the occasion, and fight for our rights. How do you think Rosa Parks got known? What about King? JFK? They stood up for them because they had nothing left to lose.
If you listen to Dead Kennedys and punk rock I think your opinion on politics should be obvious.
yeah he sounds like Dee Dee
LOL im pretty sure Jello doesn't want to be president.
I've seen anarchy it sounds like you have too. DO YOU REALLY THINK HUMANS ARE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT WORK?
As opposed to putting the mechanism of economy and power into the hands of bureaucrats? Are they not human as well?
spooky or typical for american history ha
we are pack animals we are inherently incapable of anarchism. The modern (mis)understanding of the term's anarchy or anarchism or what have you has effectively created a well needed mockery of "isms" which I view as insecure premeditated methods of babysitting ourselves. If you dare call yourself an anarchist why don't you just take one more step and just admit that like us all you have no idea who you are or what life is or how we should behave at all. we can get along without forcing oursel
I wasn't trying to win shit you just pissed me off, but thats "survival world" for ya my point (has nothing to do with being right just necesary) is that noone has to stay in it and most people can't handle it ("trash a bank if you got real balls"). I'm sorry about your dad I know what thats like.
ya still talkin
@obnoxiousnickname Biafra is an Anarchist, Debs was a Marxist.
they where a great band. but,as it shown, no anarchists at all. jello biafara went for the california elections ffs!!
friends for sure but if anyone in the world is just a dick it might be me. And its all good on the knocking of opinon thing.... its easy to misinterperet it for some kumbiah shit but I just gotta live simply or I go crazy and start attacking strangers again, and like most people I usually think everyone should agree with me lol..... I'm less of a hippy and more just struggling to stay off my meds and out of prison at the same time.... Just try to do the same homie its a interesting lifestyle
not necessarily, I think you're thinking of "MTV anarchy" not conceptual anarchy. under an anarcho-capitalist society we would have private police hired by the people, we would have a localized court system that would only have jurisdiction to the town or city and would run under most of the basic constitutional laws that America should be running today but has forgotten.
Peace
*kill or be killed
Anarchism is naturally socialist anyways. Anarchism is just radical socialism. I'll try and make a venn diagram type thing for you all:
((Anarchism)Socialism)
then eventually we end up right where we left off. Anarchy does not work, Libertarianism is far more realistic.
first of all you are the one getting quite a rise out of someones opinions contrary to your own, second of all 21 and 14 are pretty much the same thing. And third of all you werent merely opening up new levels of thought you were expressing your difference of opinion in an oppressive manner thus being totally hipocritical and THAT is why I called you a teenager. get into it or get over it. I've been on the street (not in a college town or some road kid hub)........
exactly so why did you start it. your still stuck in this whole "god desn't exist" shit its true but get over it.... were all omnipitent in our choices and we actually can survive effortlessly. Just go have fun being a teenager you have plenty of time for surviving believe me.