Denon DJ Prime 4+ and Engine 3.1 Review: The Evolution Continues | Beatsource Tech
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- Engine DJ 3.1 has just been announced for all Engine devices and includes a whole new suite of FX options, touch FX, and smart playlists. At the same time, Denon DJ is also releasing the Prime 4+, a new version of their flagship four deck, all-in-one device, which brings a few aesthetic changes and tweaks to things like the jog wheels. Mojaxx takes a close look at both the software and hardware on the new episode of #BeatsourceTech.
0:00 Intro
0:17 Engine 3.1 New Features
1:20 Main FX Demo
9:50 Touch FX Demo
12:48 Smartlists
13:24 Prime 4+ Review
18:08 Conclusion
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I kind of disappointed that the go to opinion on this channel is "where is the new hardware"
At a time when companies in the DJ space are releasing new controllers every month, I think it's refreshing to see Denon prioritising software updates to existing hardware, over new units entirely.
Not everyone has the cash to dump £2k on a new unit every 3-4 years, especially at the moment too, just to be able to access a couple of new features.
Kudos to Denon.
That’s always been the strength of Engine, and one of the reasons it’s so good as an ecosystem.
But inMusic DO want to sell hardware - if it was up them, every Prime 4 user would trade up to a 4+.
And I’m saying that this hardware is not enough to make that happen. Everyone who owns a Prime 4 should update that to 3.1 and continue to enjoy it with all those new features.
@@Mojaxx They don't need every Prime 4 user to upgrade to +. They need people buying Prime 4 + instead of XZs or Opus
I get that, but why even discontinue the Prime 4 to begin with? In my opinion, the Amazon music chip is not a great selling point to warrant a re-release of the same hardware. If I bought the Prime 4 used two weeks ago, I'd be super upset.
@@chinuarichardson8350 What does that have to do with discontinuing it or not? What specifically would yo be upset about, the prime 4 still gets all the updates.. What you said makes no sense.
@frank6013 what I'm basically saying is why go through the trouble of releasing a "new" piece of hardware that that's basically the exact same piece of hardware that was just discontinued not too long ago.
Honestly, what else could you possibly want from an all-in-one unit? Denon are properly kicking ass right now & I love it!!
Totally agree, just seen the update and had a play about and it is so much better now.
motorized jogs :)
S T E M S.
Larger/Motorized jog wheels
large motorised jogs and stems and that's all you would ever need ,thanks denon best decks iv ever had ❤
Man’s been eating clean and living the dream. Good work Mojaxx
it's great to see!
There's nothing better. I feel like going back to 2012 when playing on Pioneer gear for my gigs. Think I'll finally change my rider. Cheers Mojaxx!
Do another Inner sanctuary session!
You were one of the people I was thinking of when I said I know a lot of happy Prime 4 users… 😉
@@Mojaxx 🤗
@@AlienShine I wil 😊
Rating the songs straight on the stand alone units and creating a smart list based on that ,would be a cool feature as well..
Just upgraded my SC6000s to 3.1 and am VERY happy to see the Touch FX are on the standalone decks as well. AWESOME! I have a Xone 96 with an Eventide H90 on my FX loop, but having these on-deck FX is sweet. Reminds me of the Kaoss Pad days. Great job Denon!
woah, it's on the sc6ks as well? damn, upgrading to 3.1 tonight!
@@satchelm0uth Indeed. Super awesome.
I was debating buying a Kaoss Pad for my SC6000 and Xone 92 setup but now I don't need to! mega.
@@satchelm0uth its everywhere - even on the 6 year old SC5000!
thats what I love about Denon. 2017 SC still get all the updates. Now look at Pioneer $$$😂
Feels like every month is Christmas with my denon. Massive.
i run sc6ks with a mastersounds radius 4 and having fx on the players is a massive increase in capability for me. There's really no decent auto bpm 3/4 echo from guitar pedals or even the mastersounds fx unit. Free fx upgrade for my setup. Thank you Denon!
Broo everything aside I've been watching you since you were healthy and recently you're starting to get skinny i hope you're okay just checking up on you.i hope you're healthy and fine with you all the health in the World. ❤❤
I still have the SC5000s + X1800 and more recently a Prime Go.. The ever evolving Engine OS is making the strongest argument for hardware that CAN stand the test of time (and competition) as a result of a feature set that meets the evolving needs of today's DJs.
I was stunned to realize they added touch FX to the SC5k players. I have the x1850, but having x/y fx on each player independently is pretty damn amazing. So yeah, not bad for gear that came out almost 6 yrs ago.
same here. i just powered on my sc5000 & was grateful for bug fixes with an update, but when i saw the filter added, my brand loyalty went even further through the roof - the fact they're still updating their older hardware. i use an a&h mixer with my own external effects but having that on their for additional flavor & fun had me giddy.
@@audioel whoa wait. So you have effects in the players themselves now? Can you use the effects from the players while using another mixer that doesn't have effects? That would be tits
@@siggydj yes, only thing you can't do is run external audio through the player effects. Only one layer from each player at a time.
we are on year 7 of the SC5000 and still the most modern hardware standalone Deck Functionwise! :D
yoo mojaxx cheers bro, dang man have you lost weight bro, thanks for the reviews, always fun!
I own a Denon Prime 4 since February 2020. I absolutely love it. This has been my main controller since January 2021. I did love to get the Denon Prime 4+ , but I can’t justify buying it now just to add one new feature. I use Amazon music, which will be very convenient for weddings. But I rather wait for the next one.
The things I will like to see in the next generation Denon standalone controller is:
Toggle switches to activate effects
Stems feature
Spinning platters (maybe)
Bigger jog wheels (definitely)
Ability to playback videos
What do you pay for Amazon Unlimited? Can you still use regular Amazon music with the Prime series?
AMAZING! I'm waiting on a hopefully updated Prime Go to be released, so maybe it's finally on its way soon!
I never used these old effects before. But the news are just fantastic and so usable ! Love this ! Keep it up Denon
Real time stems separation on the standalone would be nice to see.
I have a feeling this is EXACTLY what Mojaxx wants to talk about but has to wait until the announcement
Lookin good mojaxx, ya lost that winter coat!
goddamn, just upgraded the 6k, and the FX is gooooooood. Denon got a customer for life with how good the hardware is and how good the software has become....
I currently use a Prime 2 and I fell in Love with it. I’ve been wanting a Prime 4 for a while, so im excited I waited. This definitely will be my new upgrade!!
You and me both! Denon is smart because us Prime 2 users wanted the Prime 4, they made us hungry for it by discounting it, and NOW they have us excited for the Prime 4+ !! I HATE Smart DJ companies 😂.
@@djedluva2021 Lmaoo Tell Me About It!
I own a Denon prime 4 and I would like the stems to be apart of the hardware
That is a crazy amount of FX ! Engine software is really putting out some great updates.
Hoping to see the new FX hit the X1850 too! Pioneer really needs to update the Opus Quad to include streaming services and onboard analysis, especially at a $1000 premium over the Prime 4+
Pionner will put everything in an update! Equipment upgrade kkkkk! Opus Nexus! Kkkkkk. Where have you seen Pioneer update the firmware of a device included new things? I've never seen it!
yep still no streaming on the Opus hahaha - fck Pioneer
The ability to play with stems in standalone would be amazing. To be clear, I'm asking for playing stems, not the ability to derive them. In the same way that music can be prepared on a computer and exported to a USB stick, whereby the analysis is done ahead of time, I see no reason this couldn't be expanded to include (where the user wants it) stem separation.
The hardware would require some sort of user interface to allow the user to solo/mute the stems, and obviously sufficient processing throughput to play, manipulate and mix more tracks of audio.
Denon is innovating through updates which in this day is a massive bonus for buyers until Denon NEEDS to implement a newer console thank god we have a company that's not bending us over like other companies using same outdated internals but adding something you have to pay a premium for.
The only thing Denon can do right now to get rid of this version of the prime 4 is to give it spinning jog wheel i am waiting on that thought it would come dot no still waiting 😂 Who says spinning jog wheel??
Still waiting on anything decent from TRAKTOR..!!
i feel left away since traktor d2
I don't think there will be any new hardware this year. The software needs updating much much more first and the new owners at NI clearly made this their priority.
Every month, it's "we're working on stems, but here's a new drum pattern that most of you will never use". Totally ready to jump ship to Serato.
@@DJShaiGuy It's coming.
And anyway, we want flexible beatgrids before stems.
The reason I moved to serato about for years ago. Before that, I was an hardcore traktor user for 15 years. NI just seem to completely lose interest in Traktor and it's customer base.
I’ve been saving up for this bad boy!!! LETS GO!!! 😍😍😍🤗🤗🤗
Mine's coming tomorrow 😊
It is still the best. I get the marketing and reason for adding the +. This unit is a really good pro-gear that was only missing a new chip which the + has. That will make future enhancements possible that are not on the Prime4. On the other hand I understand the dissapointment of not seeing a brand new design which could be "Prime 4 Pro" or another Prime name with larger wheels. But as it is..there is nothing much this cannot do and they are leading ALL competitions already so why waste $ on designing an already great product. Love the updates..
Really glad to see a ¾ roll -- I've been wanting a ¾ loop feature forever so I can do this trendy house to dnb transition I've seen all over youtube, seems like that could do the job.
I own a Denon Prime 4 and a Prime Go. I want to be able to ditch my computer for music management. Just want to be able to do everything stand alone!
On the standalone aspect…
The one thing that’s stopped me from being a standalone veteran is stems.
I was just about to go full USB when stems dropped in 2020 (VDJ), and until that can be implemented on standalone gear, I really can’t see me moving away from my laptop as it’s become fundamental to my workflow. It’s the one thing I wouldn’t have now.
Well who saw that coming so quickly…?
SC6000 series next.
Would be nice if they could add mixer controls for blend adjustment when linked, but not sure how that integration might work.
21:22 the stem feature is still missing in a standalone unit. I would love to have that built in rather using my laptop just to use that feature
Thanks again for the excellent review! Would love to see the ability to rate songs directly on the players so you can easily fill a smart list with ratings filter.
This is my my all time request as well
I love the touch fx brilliant from Denon
1) we need a simple tag system. 2) we need to be able to convert comments into tags, since some have put weeks of work into this.
And I need a billion dollars because my 500 million is not enough me.
Fuck, we got the best gear on the market right now, for the ridiculous price of $2,300.
There's never been anything like it in the past.
You get all the Engine OS upgrades for free. But it's not enough for you... you want all the whistles and bells at once and immediately.
A lot of customers are just plain ungrateful idiots.
@@djmartinsk 1) Tag system is not a whistle or bell, it's the main navigation if you are a truely flexible dj - for many age groups and preferences. Not all of us stay in the club and bounce between 2 genres only. I see people who constantly buy new music but don't even use what they have because they don't know how to tag music. It is not wrong to say that selection can be up to 90% of all the dj work in a live-situation. Doing the selection live is what makes me feel alive and that feeling is delivered to the people. Clubbing is not the only way for dj-s, the world is much wider, take your time and have a look.
Brilliant review!
Thanks for the review...
Hi thx for your nice review as usual bro... what i would like to see next on my prime 4 is to have the ability to copy tracks from a usb stick or sd card inserted to it to my integrated ssd on the go through the unit itself without using the laptop to do it... and vice versa... 😊😉🤩
It wouldn't surprise me if the new update for the Denon prime 4 plus Will be standalone stems as Denon has been in the forefront of the latest technology for DJ gear. I currently have the Denon prime 4. But if this will be the update I'll be more than happy to buy the plus as stems gives the DJ the ability to remix songs like never before.
I hope the update Mojack is talking about will be for both the 4 and 4+. Ive owned my prime 4 since march 2020 plan-demic and I love my controller...just with i didnt need a laptop to play with stems...Besides my laptop barely can keep up with stems I5 5200 processor, Max of 12 gig Ram and 1T SSD hard drive. she barely gets the job done and i dont have the money to invest into a Mac with M1 right this moment. SO Denon, please please please give us prime 4 users stems. Prime 4 already a pioneer killer, lets input the fatality. Finish em!
Dope!!❤
Would love to see a prime 2+ with the Rane One jogs, effect paddles + phono input to be able to also use real vinyl and as a Bonus stems.
Considering how on point InMusic has been with their brands lately, It wouldn't surprise me if the next update is gonna be amazing. They're killing it with Akai, Denon gear has been improving in leaps, i like how solid their hard and software is to a point it has replaced all the Pioneer gear in my studio. I'm very curious to see what's coming next.
Great review sir
You're the man!!!
Thanks for Sharing!
Standalone with moving platters $$$
Does the beat fx and color fx apply to the external inputs this time? The only reason I got the xdj-xz because I wan't to applay fx to my vinyl tunes.
Stems is what I'm waiting for 😊
You look amazing man!! Congrats on the weight loss
i would like to see more standalone official customisations, like different feet or themes for the OS
Having done the 3.1-update on my Prime 4 I don't hear the SWEEP FX on my headphones any more (when the fader is turned down). If you can’t hear the low pass filter or high pass filter on the headphones (with fader down) I would call that a really bad result in terms of transitions with the filters. Is there any way to fix that? Thanks in advance!
Great video, very well explained!
I need help. For many years, I have owned pioneer(s) with serato,
I do mobile DJ, clubs, and events (pool parties and festivals where they always provide equipment)
I see Denon Prime 4, Pioneer Xdj xr3, and I am debating which to buy, I see Denon works with Serato and Engine standalone, Xdj xr3 with, Serato Rekordbox and is standalone. I keep hearing that Denon Prime 4 is one of the best in the market now, but I don't know if it will be an easy transition from Pioneer equipment to the Prime.
My question is, which one do you guys recommend buying, because it is time for me to upgrade my equipment.
@@djstuc thank you!
The only review that matters
I wanna see motorized platters on the standalone controllers for the next generation
I literally just got the SC Live 4 - just placed the new package and ready to unbox today when all of a sudden, Mojaxx, Cleveland Terry, Phil w Digital DJ Tips videos drop for the Prime 4+. I knew this unit was going to come out based on my investigation weeks prior but any new gear drop can cause that fear n shock. In the end, I think I need to sit well with my decision for going with the SC Live 4 for $1300 vs a soon to be posted $2200 Prime 4+ which may or may not (most likely may) include stem features. I think with the money saved, I can wait for the Prime 4 mk3 a few years down the line if I get mileage out of the SC Live 4 and find myself looking for that upgrade. I can do Stems in Serato so ...yeah I'll live.
i think as soon as you get playing you'll be super happy and all the gear fear will dissolve away :)
@@djason_music for sure! I just opened the new unit and super happy with everything! It's a great size, not too cramped but also smaller than my numark ns7iii that I will be selling off. The speakers are so convenient too! Not at all worried about jumping to a flagship prime 4
The sc4 is a completely different product due to its light weight. For the prime 4 with flightcase you need a truck, not something you carry around without preparation.
the only thing missing as lighting already was implemented to create the perfect Streaming Controller is mb a Coop with Blackmagic to create a Prime4 Stream! with HDMI Inputs and Outputs for Twicht and live Video Streaming Sessions. That would be a Killer. But i think thats not realistic sadly as willbe too expensive and BM is not part of the Inmusic Company. In Opposite to that i could imagine as they bought Arkaos that there will be a live Feature to control Arkaos or even do it live inside the unit with an external HDMI Out Box or something like that. That would make sense and make a difference on the market. Sadly they didnt develop further the Resolume Coop which is obviously the much better Software then Arkaos in many Points. Just the CPU in the + then need to be massivly stronger then in the P4 and im not sure if that makes sense from a Bussines Stanpoint about Production Costs.
how do you apply the effects to vinyl if you've connected a turntable? How do you input bpm of a record?
Oh I forgot to add, it’s in the setup options to reduce the noise generation so the Noise Gate effect can have the level you’d like. Try reducing that a little.
I can't help but be disappointed. The Prime 4 was a great release, but it was missing the Standalone Sampler function and split cue button and after they added it to engine 3.0, I was really hoping to see a Sampler button to replace the Slicer Loop on the next piece of hardware they released. I'll stay on the fence until they release the new unspoken feature. Again to recap, great Standalone, just barely missing the mark to begin with, and a reskin with an Amazon music chip doesn't even have the wow factor of the original.
Split Cue button is in the center next to the Sweep FX. Accessing Sampler is to double-tap Roll twice, which occupies an empty inventory slot where otherwise Slicer Loop is accessed by double-tapping Slicer button twice.
Hi . I have a SC LIVE 4. How do I prepare the list on the standalone ( no laptop) . And how to include the samplers in the songs I am mixing ? New to djing, it might be a novice question, but I liked your video, so I thought I'll ask . Thanks
You know the next step is stem. But this is what will differ from the old hardware, STEM will need more processing. So with the new chop in the 4+. The 4+ will be the only controller that will have it (it think).
So if that be the case, then denon dj need to bring out a new SC6000 and 6000M.
I don’t think after STEM denon could do anymore. So they would need to start looking at hardware again.
unless you do the stems not in real time -- for example it could be part of of the initial analysis stage
Still hoping for a daylight mode!! I need that 😝
Day Light mode will be in next update, maybe 3.2.0 or next... comming soon
It would be nice if they would have USB-C inputs. What about stems! Did they add it yet?
I just want to search the playlist not the entire library like how you can do it in serato. My next feature is to switch between standalone and laptop seamlessly like on the pioneer xdi rx3
any luck on the new fx on the x1850 mixer?
As always, another great review 👍thank you 🙏
Does it have bluetooth built in now, so can use bluetooth headphones and speakers?
stems for my prime 4 without using the laptop and or serato or virtual dj. thats what i wanna see. im waitting for it. because the prime 4 does everything else. stems Stem STEMS! Denon, Stems! then i think the prime 4 would be the killer stand alone...i mean to me it already is but if we add stems to the stand alone...no need for laptop and or serato. i love not having to lug around my laptop but ive been intrested in the stems feature and so ive been playing with that. But i dont like the wave forms for serato...really confusing to me since ive gotten use to engine os and now i have to get use to serato! ughhh. PLease Denon i beg for stems.....Mojack, put in a good word for me please. thanks again bro..just updated and gonna go play around! lol
A magical - for the ones who use it BIG question: Will the 4+ support Resolume as well as the P4 did?
What’s the happy dance track ID during initial FX demos please?
The main track played throughout is "Rivales" by DJ Rebel
Oh btw... Are the Play / Cue buttons rubber on P4+ ?
Jeez bro, been a while since I dropped in a you’ve lost hella weight 👏🏻👏🏻
The first Standalone to NAIL the Stems is going to be very disruptive. Engine dj would be smart to make this happen . Being able to load a STEM FILE and make stem files on the fly would be dope as hell . Maybe the making part gets done on the computer. Oh ya and just give us the RGB on the tracks … everyone has it .. its pretty standard at this point .
If Native Instruments would actually utilize the stems system they developed years ago rather than kill the most effective ways to use it on their platform they would've had a major leg up...
@@TheBraveBlaze the issue why NI failed is that they put the cart in front of the donkey…. Had they nailed a STEM making algorithm that allowed users to make their own stems from stereo tracks and then released the STEM player I think it would of been a real game changer. But NI has the bad reputation of making things that have potential that are left to die . Look at the maschine plus as a big example … it’s an overpriced midi controller at the end of the day . For it to be effective you still need to complete tracks with a computer attached… bake (vst ) all the tracks as audio back out them back into the unit for it to be a viable live playback instrument. Fred again makes that thing look like the best thing since slides bread . When in reality it’s under powered and hasn’t been popular enough for them to even have rumours of a MK2 in 3 years . And even when they have hit gear they just move on to the next thing. The Kontrol D2 was a favourite amongst tons of DJs … Carl cox … chus & ceballos are still playing on those units and yet NI hasn’t made a new version since it’s launch date in 2015 ! I was a NI fanboy for the longest time they just pivoted too hard into their toy controllers for new djs . And I hear rumours that NI is looking to sell the DJ division. So I’m not really paying attention to NI . It’s too bad
@@OldGuyDJTipsnailed it. I was specifically referencing the D2 too
Hey, havent watch your videos as often like in the past, and I was concern is everything ok with you health vise?
I was hoping to hear something at NAMM 2024 in regards to a New Prime 2+ or anything Denon DJ gear related. Bummer.. Still going to hold out this year to see if my wishes come true. If not, I have a few options. 1. Prime 4+, Pioneer Dj RX3. Rane 4 or DDJ FLX10. Wallet is standing by
Where did u purchase ur aftermarket knobs?
Does the Engine 3.1software support offline mode with Beatport Link & Beatsource?
I thought the added Sampler would allow you to Record Samples on the fly. That would’ve been so much better since no other Controllers offer that feature.
Wish they had that engine OS in a IPad version since they said MCX 8000 is part of the engine Eco system. IJS!
What about effecting the input line?
When I double tap roll my samples don't come up.What am I doing wrong?
Possibility to have software to add automatic cue points would also be a nice feature to have
I currently use a Pioneer DDJ 800 at home and take my DDJ 400 to hang out with on the road. I'm close to making the move to stand alone and I'm about ready to pull the trigger on an XDJ RX3.
I've always been a fan of the Dennon DJ Prime 4 and now with this somewhat updated Prime 4+, is it worth the upgrade in hardware to switching from Rekordbox to Engine software
denon prime reads rekordbox data so....
Most definitely a very strong contender I’d say.
For standalone future something with moving platters or incorporated into a mixer for dvs/rane 12 input
Alternatively, given what in music have accomplished creating a great standalone experience across the board on relatively cheap hardware, full blown serato/engine/rekordbox on a dedicated hardware tablet. I.e. a bolt on to make any controller standalone
Hi was wondering if the sc5000m got the update?
Yep!
@Mojaxx will you be posting a video on the FX implementation for the SC6000 players? Really curious how that works.
As for standalone, I think Denon has nailed it, for Pioneer they need to fix their terribly outdated browser and search, it's so bad they almost force you to create playlists which is not how I play.
it's the exact same as what he shows in the "touchscreen fx" portion of this video :)
I have a gut feeling Denon will be releasing a more subdued GO version especially after dropping them old school play and cue buttons on the last model which still has me wondering why they wouldn't have done so back then which would have made them perfect and not just almost.
Serato on one deck and stand-alone on the other
🔥
Denon owning pioneer… again…
Has it still got a bit where you can fit an ssd underneath
Yup
Beatbreak effect is on the dn x1600 as well , nearly 15 years ago
I never played with that, so it’s news to me! Good to know.
Mojaxx, would like to see the stand alone to have their version of stems. I thought the new update would give me the option to have serato control but I want the option at lest or give me stems…
Im using prime go and prime 2, i would like to have a feature where u will be able to Annalise the whole hardrive with folders instead of creating playlist.
Can you please help me, any website out there where i can buy ??
The Recycler effect sounds great when tweaked. Just a few more seconds on that would have been a good time to show it off. Awesome review bud!
I’ve owned the Prime 4 for 4 years and love it. I’ve only had to replace the crossfader. However I have 2 questions I’m hoping you can answer as you have the hardware: 1) Are the channel faders changeable? 2) Please tell me the pads may look like the ones on the SCLive, but they are velocity pads not ‘click’ pads. The pads on the SC just click and they’re horrible 😢
Pads in Prime4+ is normal (Akai style) pads. Not a microswitches pads, like in SC Live series consoles. Channel faders is not changeable! In case of damage, they are replaceable in the authorized service. Prime 4 is not club style mixer, with user-replaceable channel faders. Any standalone console or MIDI software controller has not user-replaceable channel faders. Channel faders on the Prime4+ are of higher quality, than on the older Prime 4 model.
@@djmartinsk thanks for sharing this information - much appreciated 👍
The KING of @allinone systems. PIONEER, sorry, but u are at the second time underdog
The secret is in what is under the covers of that unit. Bigger better processor and memory. Something Denon doesn't disclose is in the box. So going to be allin the software and the units ability to run new features.
when prime 4 + will be delivry for market?