I haven't tried the clay method myself, but I saw a video where the clay was stuck onto the thread first. The the wires were poked in fairly well lined up. This leaves both hands totally free to make adjustments and take the measurement. It looked pretty practical, I think I'll try it.
Been watching for a while but I just now noticed in your opener the lathe tool storage wall. I am stealing that for the home shop. A video on tool storage ideas for the home shop (compact, cheap) would be a good one!
Hi Philip! One of my early videos covers quick change tool posts and I show that rack in better detail. In the years since I've found myself wanting something that holds them a little differently so I can get more density/see the tools better. My welder is in storage right now, so that will probably have to wait. Besides, nobody wants to see me weld.
Very entertaining! You might consider comparing the 3 wire method to the 1 wire method. Joe Pi described it in one of his videos, but didn't comment on its accuracy. If accurate enough, the 1 wire method should be easier for us fumble-fingered individuals.
You can also measure using only one threadwire, but that requires a little bit more math. Joe Pieczynski did a video on it as well if you're interested.
I use grease but I broke down and bought a set of holders from flexbar. They were cheap and seemed to work well although I did not do any comparison to see if they effected accuracy. I found they work best for smaller threaded parts were the grease did not work that well, at least for me.
Have you ever use tape to tape one end of the wire? it very convention for me for difference size of wire and thread. tape two wires parallelly together space apart as a pit wide, tape one wire on one end of the tape, when folding the tape the two wires and one wire make it about the same as pit diameter.
That sounds interesting. I'll give that a try to see how I like it. Could you email me a picture or two of it so I can make sure I do it correctly? My email is my channel name with no spaces at gmail.com.
Hi, Stuart. My question is off-topic; I hope you don't mind. I received a brand new set of gage blocs today. I have an older set that was purchased on CL and came from the toolroom of a company I once did business with. Small world. As those blocs aren't in great shape, it was time for an upgrade. Naturally, they're wrapped and protected with a coating. What would you suggest for removing the coating? I was told not to use alcohol, as the blocs would be "too clean." Is these such a thing? I have a number of degreasers and solvents. Just not sure what to grab. This is my first ever new set of blocs and I'm feeling a bit cautious. Would a good degreaser be the way to go, or perhaps a solvent for a more masculine approach? Thank you in advance!
@@chrisstephens6673 I can imagine. That said, American Badgers really are tremendous bastards. By far one of the meanest animals in North America. Probably only second to the Canada Goose.
Wires are a misused technique. They are 3rd rate for measuring threads being machined. They are intended only for perfect threads such as on a ground thread plug gage where the thread form is dead on. Better is a thread micrometer that can account for some form variation and best of all is a calibrated precision thread ring gage. Wires can show a good measurement when the thread is actually a reject. Ask me how I know.
There is no doubt that thread mikes probably the best way to measure thread pitch. The problem is the cost. Most if not all thread pitch mikes don't come with all of the anvils one might need. You can easily spend a could a couple of hundred more to get the full range of available anvils. In addition, to measure ACME tread you will need five micrometers to cover the range up to 5" ACME. If buying brand name tools a full set up could easily run you $1000.00+. How many garage type home machine shops have that kind of cash laying around.
@@oh8wingman Yeah, wires are better than nothing for home gamers but you have to be aware of the shortcomings. It's always presented as a viable and valid alternative and it is not. They are intended for inspecting precision gauges with very accurate thread forms. That is why serious professional wires have to be and are made to gauge block tolerances. Van Keuren wires go for $100-$200 for 3 wires, per size, ~ $2000 for a set of 16 sizes. That compares well with thread micrometers. Those cheesy 16 sizes per set for $18 are not up to snuff. You can get away with it if you stay away from the limits of the tolerance AND you know what to look for aside from the measurement itself. Then again you can do almost as well with the old cut and try method if you are careful and know what you are doing but there is a hell of a lot to know.EX: I can see the thread shown here is out of spec regardless of the wire measurement.
The rubber band war..... after a minute I was enthralled and forgot what I was doing here.
If you could all give your input to the folks at Cannes, I'd love to have a Palme d'Or on my bookshelf.
@@StuartdeHaro let’s start with getting you one of those gold RUclips play buttons first!
@@seanwolfe9321 That sounds good. Yes, that's better.
I haven't tried the clay method myself, but I saw a video where the clay was stuck onto the thread first. The the wires were poked in fairly well lined up. This leaves both hands totally free to make adjustments and take the measurement.
It looked pretty practical, I think I'll try it.
Been watching for a while but I just now noticed in your opener the lathe tool storage wall. I am stealing that for the home shop. A video on tool storage ideas for the home shop (compact, cheap) would be a good one!
Hi Philip! One of my early videos covers quick change tool posts and I show that rack in better detail. In the years since I've found myself wanting something that holds them a little differently so I can get more density/see the tools better. My welder is in storage right now, so that will probably have to wait. Besides, nobody wants to see me weld.
Here's the video:
ruclips.net/video/XaTVSRuePEw/видео.html
This makes me appreciate my 3rd hand. Thanks
Good stuff sir. Alignment is not something I had considered. Definitely gonna use grease. Thank you for your work.
Very entertaining! You might consider comparing the 3 wire method to the 1 wire method. Joe Pi described it in one of his videos, but didn't comment on its accuracy. If accurate enough, the 1 wire method should be easier for us fumble-fingered individuals.
5:10 The most dramatic machining video I've ever seen. You been channeling your inner Stanley Kubrick? Nice take on the thread wire methods.
Thanks, very useful post.
You can also measure using only one threadwire, but that requires a little bit more math. Joe Pieczynski did a video on it as well if you're interested.
Thank you. Great presentation
Thank you for acknowledging the devastation caused by the rubber band wars - the public has been kept in the dark for far too long.
Silly pratt - the nuclear option comes with a ball-pein :-)
Craving something :)
I truly thought it was April 1st
I should definitely do an April Fool's video next year. What to do? What to do?
@@StuartdeHaro All you need to do is do what you do,
That should do it
@@rickpalechuk4411 I can do that
I use grease but I broke down and bought a set of holders from flexbar. They were cheap and seemed to work well although I did not do any comparison to see if they effected accuracy. I found they work best for smaller threaded parts were the grease did not work that well, at least for me.
Have you ever use tape to tape one end of the wire? it very convention for me for difference size of wire and thread. tape two wires parallelly together space apart as a pit wide, tape one wire on one end of the tape, when folding the tape the two wires and one wire make it about the same as pit diameter.
That sounds interesting. I'll give that a try to see how I like it. Could you email me a picture or two of it so I can make sure I do it correctly? My email is my channel name with no spaces at gmail.com.
With the finer thread wires I have used masking tape to keep them together...
In the hand
or in the chip tray!!
looks like I should have read the previous comments. Fred Flintstone already referenced the 1 wire method
Hi, Stuart. My question is off-topic; I hope you don't mind. I received a brand new set of gage blocs today. I have an older set that was purchased on CL and came from the toolroom of a company I once did business with. Small world. As those blocs aren't in great shape, it was time for an upgrade. Naturally, they're wrapped and protected with a coating. What would you suggest for removing the coating? I was told not to use alcohol, as the blocs would be "too clean." Is these such a thing? I have a number of degreasers and solvents. Just not sure what to grab. This is my first ever new set of blocs and I'm feeling a bit cautious. Would a good degreaser be the way to go, or perhaps a solvent for a more masculine approach? Thank you in advance!
I would use brake cleaner to get the crud off and then coat them with a light oil or WD-40 to keep the moisture away.
@@StuartdeHaro Thank you very much!
Since you asked,👍for the Meles Meles (european badger) but mine are in semi hibernation right now so i could not get their opinion.
I remembered all your badger videos, so I thought I'd throw that out there to give you a laugh.
@@StuartdeHaro so kind.😁
Winter is arriving and temperatures are near 0/32 at night so they are staying home. Saves a fortune in dog food though.😉
@@chrisstephens6673 I can imagine. That said, American Badgers really are tremendous bastards. By far one of the meanest animals in North America. Probably only second to the Canada Goose.
@@StuartdeHaro typical, European more cultured than US.😁😁😁
its always been grease for me keep up the good work did you ever think about doing a video on the circle with the flat in it for the gear
Hi Lee. I do want to do that. I'm just very short on time. Maybe when I get some time off around Christmas.
@@StuartdeHaro cool with me if you do you will be the first youtuber that has shown a video on a problem i have asked about
Wires are a misused technique. They are 3rd rate for measuring threads being machined. They are intended only for perfect threads such as on a ground thread plug gage where the thread form is dead on. Better is a thread micrometer that can account for some form variation and best of all is a calibrated precision thread ring gage. Wires can show a good measurement when the thread is actually a reject. Ask me how I know.
There is no doubt that thread mikes probably the best way to measure thread pitch. The problem is the cost. Most if not all thread pitch mikes don't come with all of the anvils one might need. You can easily spend a could a couple of hundred more to get the full range of available anvils. In addition, to measure ACME tread you will need five micrometers to cover the range up to 5" ACME. If buying brand name tools a full set up could easily run you $1000.00+. How many garage type home machine shops have that kind of cash laying around.
@@oh8wingman Yeah, wires are better than nothing for home gamers but you have to be aware of the shortcomings. It's always presented as a viable and valid alternative and it is not. They are intended for inspecting precision gauges with very accurate thread forms. That is why serious professional wires have to be and are made to gauge block tolerances. Van Keuren wires go for $100-$200 for 3 wires, per size, ~ $2000 for a set of 16 sizes. That compares well with thread micrometers.
Those cheesy 16 sizes per set for $18 are not up to snuff. You can get away with it if you stay away from the limits of the tolerance AND you know what to look for aside from the measurement itself. Then again you can do almost as well with the old cut and try method if you are careful and know what you are doing but there is a hell of a lot to know.EX: I can see the thread shown here is out of spec regardless of the wire measurement.
I ask my students who have braces if they would care to donate those tiny rubber bands. They work very well and don't seem to affect the measurement.
You know you can just buy those right? You don't have to take them from people who have had them in their mouths.