Better Value Than RED? Blackmagic Design URSA Mini 4.6k Full Review
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Full Review of the Blackmagic Design URSA Mini 4.6k! With All the goodies! How does it compare to the RED Scarlet or Epic? In NYC I test it to find out!
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"make sure you are running a 90 degree shutter angle at 60p" - no, you should not be doing this. Set it to 180 for any frame rate you are shooting since 180 degrees is based off an equation for whatever shutter speed you have it set to. For example , (60 x 360) / 180 = 120, and 1/120 slowed to 40% for a 24p timeline = 1/48.
I did make an error. It was a long day. The proper shutter angle for 1/120 shutter is 72 degrees.
Faymusmedia no problem, but that's not how you set it on this camera. You set it to 180 degrees on any frame rate. You'll notice that it is working properly as the image will get darker (from changing the frame rate from 24 to 60 for example).
The very reason why I looked down to this comment section is to see one of these comments above.. Isn't the purpose of shutter angle is to maintain it to 180 degrees and let it do its job no matter what frame rate you set with?
"The proper shutter angle for 1/120 shutter is 72 degrees." - makes me confuse again..
One thing just to be safe, if not sure if its a fact, better not say it for your own good and for others too.
No, FaymusMedia is correct. However, it all depends on how much motion blur you want. For a standard amount of blur, the angle should correlate to what double the framerate is in shutter speed (like 1/120). However, for less blur for action shots, you want a small angle. Some guys will even shoot a scene at 45 degrees to get almost zero blur. Watch American Crime Story for an example.
My camera, an Arriflex film camera, has a fixed shutter angle of around 173 degrees.
Hey Corey - I enjoyed your review of the 4.6K. A couple notes, native ISO is 800, not 400 as you mention. The grip can be mounted lower and further out if you connect the arri-rosette to the base of the shoulder mount (you had it connected to the side of the camera). Hard to tell from the video, but you SHOULD be able to mount the shoulder pad further back. It's funny because most people have commented that they want it to go more FORWARD to accommodate heavier glass. You said you wished the EVF displayed your histogram, it does. EVF menu: Display: Meters: Histogram. Oh and: how are you going above 1600 ISO on the UM4.6K and BMCC?
I will have to correct that. I don't know why I said 400. As all their cameras except production camera are native 800. I am adding 1 stop exposure increments in post. I tried using the histogram setting in he menu it didn't work, maybe it was just acting buggy? Not sure.
Faymusmedia what camera are you using for this review,the color is wonderful!
C300 Mark 2. Thanks!
Native ISO on the big Ursa was in fact, 400. I know this is old, but just wanted to let you know you weren't too far out of the ballpark there. ;)
Love my BMPCC. Wish I could try the URSA Mini on a shoot! Battery life isn't an issue anymore with the URSA lineups
I have the BMPCC too, only usable with external battery. But a great beginners cinema camera. URSA Mini would be very great to test.
I added an Arri rosette attachment on 15mm rails off the front to move the LANC grip further forward, that helps a lot with comfort or long, hand-held shoots.
Finally! I was waiting for your review! =)
I was laughing my ass off when you said the handle wasn't long enough. Sorry! Nice video.
Great review Cory. Also, it looks like the Canon C300 Mark II and the Blackmagic URSA mini 4.6k match up pretty well. Keep it up. I look forward to your reviews to give me a real world view on cameras, and I look forward to Christopher Frost when I need a real world view on lenses. Between you two, I don't think I can ever go wrong when buying a camera or lens. Maybe you can make another short video just pointing out any errors there may be in this one.
Hey man quick question, what ISO were you at when you pushed it digitally? Are you taking it from ASA 800 and pushing artificially to 3200 and beyond or are you starting at 1600 ASA and pushing it?
I do not know what is happening but the video is on low quality 360p no option for full or 4k
Hi Faymusmedia, what gloves are you wearing?
+Faymusmedia The handle isn't long enough, because you have the extension arm mounted to the regular side handle mount. I did the same thing when I got the shoulder mount kit and thought that it was uncomfortable. If you move it down to the rosette mount on the side of the shoulder mount kit, it sits out way further and is a lot more comfortable.
Great review, although would be better to test it's dynamic range when sun is a little bit higher, but well probably couldn't. Are you getting a GH5 for a review soon?
ALSO - YOU MOUNTED THE ARM TO THE WRONG SPOT. THERE IS ANOTHER MOUNTING POINT (METAL ROSETTE) ON THE SHOULDER MOUNT ITSELF. THAT WOULD HAVE SOLVED ALL YOUR PROBLEMS. You really should read the manual before doing a review on a product. This is one of the most comfortable and balanced setups on the market when used properly.
Rats and you should of have read the previous comments. It's all been mentioned. Also you should check your keyboard..something wrong with the capslock button.
Broodje Aap Film - didn't mean to shout. My apologies. Your reviews are very entertaining and very well done, i watched the entire thing. Great job and keep it up. But for god sakes - get your specs and information correct before posting a review video as you sound very convincing and people will listen.
You're going to mess with people's decision to buy products based on incorrect info. Perhaps correct the information on RUclips using subtitles so people aren't thrown. (Especially changing shutter angle - this causes all sorts of issues)
Anyway. Great job on the video. Sorry for shouting. Keep it up. Cheers brother
-rats
Rats No it's not my review:-) Just a folIower that has this thing against capslock messages:-) I do agree with you tho. This review was filled with wrong information and he sure has a lot of viewers, so should check, so your comment was valid:-)
Broodje Aap Film my apologies for the incorrect information. I know it's 800 ASA however I said 400 as we were running around all daY and i messed up. Also my EVF was not working with the Instagram so that's why said there's no histogram as mine did not work.
Faymusmedia No need to apologise, you make amazing reviews and that's why ot's good to allow people to comment like you do so we together can get the facts right. I understand how much work you put in it so please keep up doing that. always love watching the reviews
So you receive the camera a week before the it's mini pro? That has got to suck
The native ISO is 800
Spiro Angelatos correct I was running around all day and left my brain at home haha
Definitely sold on this. Great video
some day some day. Some day soon I will own that. My goal is by summer. I hope to head out to Willow Springs and make a pilot.
How is the auto focus performance on this camera? You tried it with the Sigma 18-35 mm?
Why do you suggest having a 90 degree shutter for 60p? Since the shutter angle is based on the frame rate, won't having a 180 degree shutter get you the 1/120 shutter speed you want?
I see that this was resolved in an earlier comment, never mind :)
Hello.. Please I bought a BlackMagic URSA mini 4.6K for a friend on my last trip to the US, she called me today that the camera isn't showing options to shoot in 4.6K just options for 4K, I went to check the camera myself and 4.6K option isn't on the recording menu at all just the option for 4k, she actually has 2 URSA mini 4.6K and the other one is showing options for it in comparison. I actually believe it is the settings on the camera or maybe the camera has to be updated but she is really worried and probably thought I bought her a fake camera even when 4.6k is written on the camera, Blackmagic is closed for the weekend so I can't reach them... Please what do you think could be hiding the options to shoot 4.6k...
Can you review the new Mini Pro?
why would you change the shutter angle to 90 degrees when shooting 60p? makes no sense to me
Did you push the ISO/ASA in camera or in post for the lowlight tests? And hat was your method?
6:50 why shoot at 90 degree angle when shooting 60p?
Great footage. AND now the pro version.is out... trade in time?
Would you use your monopod to help balance this?
Can you please compare this with the red scarlet? I am torn between the two
exFAT is not "crummy", it is simply a proprietary file format from Microsoft. Its only 10 years old and Microsoft has heavy patents and enforces licences for the technology which keeps it from being tested and improved by more people. One should always be careful with media, no matter which format. If you use an OSX operating system, HFS+ may be a better option for you, but exFAT is completely supported in OSX.
exFAT is unreliable. I have been shooting film and video for 15 years. I can tell you that its a non journaled file system. Nobody, I mean nobody in hollywood is shooting in exFAT for a major motion picture. RED file system is journaled, HFS+ is journaled, NTFS is journaled. Since most if not all proprietary file systems are Journaled. The fact that exFAT is not, is a issue. I do recommend alot of care when ejecting a exFAT card. I have seen many cards lose all data on exFAT.
Faymusmedia I agree don't use exfat
They just announced the Ursa Mini Pro which is shipping now.
NATIVE ISO FOR THIS CAMERA IS 800... NOT 400.
YOU ARE THINKING OF THE 4K VERSION.
Rats like I've said a few times I was running around all day filming the review and made a mistake but I do know that most of their cameras are 800 ASA with exception of the production camera
great review as always; the other folks already told you about the 800 native iso and 180 degrees rule, but I have one more question: did you use an ND at all? what were your settings?
did you adjust your exposure only with your lens' iris?
Liviu S. Ungureanu yes I know this camera is 800 ASA I was running around all day and must've left my brain at home LOL. However, the correct shutter angle for 60p is 72°
Thank you very much for the review! In the 7400$ you forget the couple of cfast cards you recommend... With those you will very easily get over 10'000$...;-)
Hi loved the review and subbed ;)! I have one question, did you use an IR cut filter or you don't think the ursa needs that? As in some other reviews out there, they say an IR cut filter is a "must". Thank you
JensEngels1 yes IR is a must but only when using considerable ND and using wide apertures. ND .6 and above I would IR. The URSA Mini Pro addressed this
Would you recommend an Ursa Mini rather than a second hand Red Epic MX?
Overall Yes. The RED Dragon Scarlet is better than the URSA Mini tho by far.
He's talking about the MX sensor not the Dragon. I would get the URSA Mini FIRST. The MX is like 6 years old now?
Did you not read the question? He asked whether to get the Ursa Mini instead of the Red Epic MX and Faymus responded with a, "Yes." Then he added an extra detail that the Red Scarlet Dragon is a better camera, which used is not much more expensive than the Red MX used.
I'm curious if you would be so kind to recommend a #Follow-focus setup for the BLACKMAGIC DESIGN URSA MINI 4.6K and PRO? Thank you
Hello! Tell please how can i operate with WB or iso when i put camera on DJI ronin?
I like shooting at 800ASA on my Sony camera because it gives me a little grain. I'm used to shooting on film so I like that.
or even higher
to be able to shoot in better dark situation would the sigma 18-35 1.8 help with that problem rather it s a bmcc or ursa mini 4.6
Good review! Have it for 3 months now but I have a question; did I miss something but how did you manage to select iso values more than 1600 on Ursa? I mean mine is 200-1600 ISO range...
Thanks!
Belamarimages pushing the stops over in post I assume.
It would be good to compare the URSA mini pro on rolling shutter with the canon C300 mk 2. The German test and one other on RUclips showed no rolling shutter.
Does this camera support Canons IS Lenses?
Hello thanks very much for the great work and tips.
I need your advice.
I am planning on buying a new Ursa mini 4.6k (non pro for almost half price than the pro version) here in the UK by end of May 2018 which is on a killer sale offer but for the PL mount version only as PL lenses seem to be more expensive and people buy more of the EF versions due to the vast and cheaper EF lens options.
I can only find Samyang Xeen 's and Slr Magic lenses in PL mount in the UK which are still expensive and Xeens give a greenish tinge and slr magic seems just okay
hence now I am thinking to buy this camera with EF mount which is £1000 more than PL version (: and buy sigma art 18-35 1.8 lens to begin with.
My main interest is feature films for which I want to get this camera.
Are Xeens and slr magic really worth?
Kindly advice which mount would be better and why.
I have very tight budget though. Would you still buy ursa mini 4.6k (non pro for half it's original price) in mid 2018.
BMPCC 4K is coming but still far.
Thanks very much for your support.
Regards.
Please review the ursa mini pro. I rely on your reviews for video cameras.
360p ?
Isn't it dumb to compare the prices between Blackmagic and RED when making different setups?
Yes an URSA Mini 4.6k with Shoulder Mount, EVF, Battery Plate, Batterys and CFast Cards will cost you up to 8000 or in 2017 probably up to 10,000$ and close to the cost of a RED Scarlet Dragon 5k.
But thats only the body for 12,500$... When getting the same Items on the official RED website you have to pay 26,500 for the RED with shoulder mount, batteries and mini mags... The EVF is only included in the Cinema Package which would cost 10000$ more but just look it up on google where there are some offerings for about 2500$...
Which makes the RED 29,000$ and the BM 10,000$...
And only the bodies are RED 12,500$ and BM 5000$...
And now you can even use a CFAST to SSD adapter with the BM which is gonna save you a ton of money and unlike RED you can use any 3rd party storage you like...
So it would be 512GB SSd = 150$ vs. 460GB Mini Mag = 1,850$... you see BM is realy a better value than RED.
I like RED and I know you love Blackmagic so I just wanted to state that I think it's not that easy to say that a RED is a better camera overall because of course... it should be when it costs you three times more... and there is a big price gab so you can't just go for the Scarlet when you have only Budget for an Ursa Mini...
In my opinion RED isn't an budget option anymore (maybe to an alexa... but not) compared to the newcomers like BM...
Since when did ISO go past 1600 for the UM46 and BMCC?!
In post...
what camera and lens did you use to record this?
MrAndr144R C300 MK2
Your choise?
Ursa Mini 4.6 or C300 Mk2?
Did you ever got broken BM product :)
What camera did you shot the review with. Thanks!
c300 mark 2
Is the Ursa Mini 4.6k better than the KineMINI 4K?
Izzy Tamayo yep
yes.
Can it shoot the movies????
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And now the Ursa Mini Pro is out, sorry mate!!!
How can it compare with Sony fs7?
Little late for a review for this camera...
VIEWFINDER WILL SHOW HISTOGRAM (EVF SETTINGS)
Rats mine must of had an error or been acting buggy because it wouldn't work for me that's why said that.
This is machine gun.
In a few years, this dude is going to be so embarrassed about the stupid fake fro. This guy is single-handedly destroying the environment with 3 pounds of hair gel every day.