Kip Thorne - Why Black Holes are Astonishing (Pt. 2)
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- Black holes warp space and time, squeeze matter to a vanishing point, and trap light so that it cannot escape. Black holes, with masses millions or billions times that of our sun, sit at the center of galaxies. How can black holes perform such stupendous tricks, and what can we learn from them?
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Kip Thorne is a theoretical physicist, known for contributions in gravitational physics and astrophysics. He was the Feynman Professor of Theoretical Physics at the California Institute of Technology until 2009.
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A person with so much knowledge, yet took the time to explain something so elementary in layman's language..respect to this Nobel Laureate!
"Aaahhhuuuugggghhh!"
😂😂😂😂😂
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You have my pity, may You get well soon.
Best regards
Most of these subjects are better described mathematically. Describing them with any accuracy in prose is really difficult. Takes a real genius.
He must have an IQ of 200.
“Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.”
― Carl Sagan
I found this channel...I found my purpose.....I hate when channels like these have so less subscribers....it shows the mindset of the people ....these questions about Cosmos.. reality..are so fascinating.....
My exact thoughts. I find it mind boggling how anyone could not be curious about ourselves and the universe, absolutely boggles the mind.
My favorite Kip Thorne quote:
"Aaeiiyeihueaie"
Are you sure about the spelling?
I think he's aiming for "all right' yet it comes out as ahhhh-it or ahhhhhhr-it.
Making fun of someone's stutter is the coolest! Good job man.
@Dr Deuteron nah..he is just casual drunk pirate
Awesome quote! 😂
Kip Thorne is eighty years old
Now, but this episode was recorded in 2008.
Curiosity, at least, is one thing anyone watching this has in common with Kip Thorne
Wow, I love this guy. Kip, if you ever read this, thank you so so much for taking the time to explain these complex ideas in such a way that I believe I understand. Obviously I mean I understand what you are saying not the actual physics. Wonderful to be alive at such times that brilliant minds like Kip’s will casually discuss such complex theories and give us the chance to tag along. Much in your debt forever.
he won't.
When he, after explaining Black Holes a million times, kindly remembers to explain what a horizon is, I thought to myself "he surely is not only a great scientist but a great teacher".
I met Kip Thorne at the Roy Kerr's Crafoord Prizegiving Stockholm. I was there as a New Zealander and am interested in such things, I met them both. Roy is a really nice guy, but I remember though Kip asking me: "Do have the time?" I'll never forget that. he he
"Aaaiiggghhjj"!!
You should have told him it’s relative.😜
This interviewer is one of the great interviewers. No ego and knowledgeable enough to guide the person being interviewed but also humble enough to stop talking as he guides the person being interviewed.
Thankyou for posting this and the last episode so much!
Wow, time flowing into the singularity, that's mind-blowing. Love this. Thank you!! 😚
A good illustration of this is that once you pass the event horizon, reaching the singularity is as inevitable as moving forward in time, and because space/time reverse their roles, it is considered the equivalent of doing so.
Favorite channel on RUclips!
I love how Kip is able to describe crazy complicated phenomena in very understandable laymen terms and analogies.
I wonder if Kip ever does public lectures anymore? I was lucky enough to score Stephen Hawkins tickets around 20 years ago when I lived in San Diego.
This makes me wish I had studied physics rather than engineering 😱
So you're basically Howard Walowitz
It's ok physicists need engineers.
These concepts are mindboggling.
Is gravity time ? Ouch my brain hurts
@@LoLreality1 Gravity is not time, but gravity influences (space)time
Lol bruh he cant answer acharya agnivrat
@@dlevi67 then what the hell gravity is??
@@KKKVVV-ox6sm Actually, I should have said "mass/energy influences space-time" -it causes the effect we call "gravity" on space-time by distorting it.
Captain Spaulding cleans up well. “Aaiiiggghh”
Hahahaha!
I noticed that too. Eeihhh.
Aiiuh... has he got Toutette's Aiiyaa or wh@¿
My man Kip ! One of my favorites, no question. Ah ight !
Ai ight!!
Alright
The reason you can’t escape a black hole is because a time vortex is pulling you in! Once again, Kip Thorne absolutely blows my mind.
God bless this man! Such a treasure
When I try to image what Kip Thorne are talking about, and the stupendous amount of energy involved in black holes, I am moved to tears.. And my stupid, tiny, microscopic brain isn't even CLOSE to imagining the vast, unbelievably, gargantuan, braindemolishing energy-outputs of these beasts.. is just mindblowing. It fills me with wonder and joy, just knowing I'm too stupid to understand how STUPID I REALLY am when it comes to the unbelievability of the cosmos..........
One of those videos that capture you
Good interviewer to be honest. Loved this
Totally mind bugling..!
Great interview, thank you. :-)
“A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality.”
― John Lennon
Albert Einstein dream alone and is very true. John Lennon... ??? ??? ???
Why can i understand this? So amazing how Kip can help explain this to the common person. Thanks this is a wonderful discussion.
He is very good at using simple analogies to help explain complicated phenomena, but it’s important to remember he is over simplifying these concepts.
Understanding it fully is much more complicated often requiring mathematical equations to really grasp the concepts.
My father was a genius and studied astrophysics and relativity theory, but he studied it using mathematics (calculus and geometry).
I was never good at the math but studied these concepts from reading theoretical physics (with little math) and it was really difficult for my father and I to discuss these theories and agree on concepts.
I thought we live in the post fact era where science doesn’t exist. Glad to see a few people still think math and physics are not fake news.
What are you talking about?
Wow, the bit about the flow of time towards the center of the black hole makes more sense now as I think I was listening to NGT who said once your past the event horizon of a black hole you’re going to the singularity and it will happen no matter what, trying to avoid it would be like “trying to drive away from next Thursday” 😀
Respect Kip Thorne
Kip is the best explainer of black holes
Imagine being in a space ship and entering the event horizon. Time stops for you but when you look out, you see the universe quickly age and experience thermal death. The event horizon evaporates, freeing you into an empty, black, ever expanding universe.
My brain stalled a few times during this video and I had to rewind bits a few times.
I love Kip. I wander what he is using the oscilloscope for ? ....
The universe is a terrible place of frightening proportions and activities, either burning or frozen, empty or energetic and everything is maddeningly extreme. But here we are, on Earth, at a Goldilock point where life and consciousness can happen....
It is beyond strange...
So I did find this next, Google’s algorithm is amazing better than Facebook etc...
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I see this is a Part 2 video, published 23 JUN 2020. Then I see the Part 1 of this video was published 5 years ago. So I'm wondering... what's up with that?
Time dilation. It must have been produced near the event horizon. It's all relative.
video might have been corrupted, so had to re-upload
They are just re-uploading all the seasons to RUclips. But if you go to the website all the seasons are there for you to watch. This episode in particular was recorded in 2008.
I didnt watch part two but I figured the best will be at the end of time.
So we have these jets we can measure, and we have an understanding of matter, which includes very elaborate time scales and processes that describes the build up and tear down of said matter. Then, we have GR which will define how quickly and in what manor the matter will behave, or be digested by the black hole. I suspect the size of the black hole will be a factor in how quickly the matter that falls into the hole will be digested or repealed by the process. Can we have a black hole that feeds but is undetected by some detector that is out side the horizon?
Gonna save this video for the weekend when I get stoned, then I got a shot of almost understanding it, till I wake up next day
Could the energy from spinning of black hole be used to wheel spiral arms of galaxy at constant rate proportional to radius?
When was this recorded? Those monitors look like they time traveled thanks to the black whole!
2008
Beyond the event horizon all the possible futures point toward the black hole. It's not that you can't escape a black hole but that you won't.
Is the gravitational force weakest at the poles of a black hole ?
Matlockization I wouldn’t expect that to be the case, right?
For a spinning black hole gravity is less at the poles if you are comparing the gravity at a particular altitude relative to the black holes center of mass. We know this for sure because the event horizon is an ellipsoid for spinning black holes.
What's even more astonishing is parallel universes beyond the black holes .
If the rotation could theoretically reach a fraction of c an observation made from outside would appear to be slowed by time dilation such that any measurement of it's rotation would be reduced
Black Holes are really interesting
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and magnatars physics extremes in general.
It's always a great intelligence check watching these videos. Imagine what we could achieve collectively, if all our brains where this smart.
Is the center of black hole dense and hot (temperature), while at the horizon is colder?
How come the matter falling straight down into the black hole do not steal the rotating momentum of the black hole?
I get the object that once turned into a black hole rotated, but when it 'eat' matter, that matter must loose it's rotating momentum already when it enters the event horizon, falling straight down, and eventually make the black hole stop rotating?
As a computer hardware geek I couldn't help but notice the Sun Microsystems Sun GDM-5420 monitor in the background displaying the CDE windowing environment running the Sun Solaris operating system. I can't make out the model of the other monitor but it is also displaying the same environment.
i love his voice when explaining there is an aaaaa sound 😃
All this is elementary astrophysics known for very long. What would be of more interest is if he discussed the singularity, which is a ring in the Kerr case and not a point. If time flows towards it, what would a comoving observer see? A transport into the infinite future?
Do objects passing the horizon become stretched from matter at the horizon to energy inside black hole?
If nothing can escape a black hole then where does the spin energy come from? Also, if we are seeing spinning close to the speed of light then doesn't that mean that it's actually spinning significantly faster than the speed of light once you factor in the slowing of time as you get close to the black hole? I mean, if you got closer to the black hole you would see the spin increasing well beyond the speed of light wouldn't you?
Does any time or space get destroyed in black hole?
If time runs faster outside the event horizon of a black hole than it does inside the black hole, Hawking radiation would evaporate the black hole before enough time has passed inside the black hole for such an event to have occurred. So how is it that a black hole could experience two frames of reference at the same time? There seems to be a real paradox here. If an observer inside a black hole looking out could survive long enough, could she witness hawking radiation evaporate the black hole before enough time in her frame of reference passed for the evaporation to occur?
"Ahaiiighhh"
was gonna make the same exact comment but couldn't quite figure out how to spell it.
@@mtolives you Sir, made me lol
Scrolled down looking for someone to say it. Satisfied. Thank you.
Jjh Hand k you know how much power of knowledge is packed in this weird wordo?!
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Does the warping of space and time mean energy densities and pressures?
how does warped spacetime rotate? would the angular momentum, along with the mass, be converted to warped spacetime? i just don't understand why spin is maintained but all other information is destroyed.
Making a pseudo "water wheel" for a black hole, would take more resources and energy to keep in place than what energies you might drive from it. You might find a sort of Lagrange Point for a self sustaining orbit which derives energy for keeping such a close orbit... but I doubt the energy could do more than offset the energy necessary to keep orbit.
Maybe we could use it to slingshot like space craft do off planets .
Channel should be called "closer to not false" :)
So time is equal to gravitation? Electrons in atom spins slower in dense gravitation? Sorry if that is stupid question. But if it true that explain why universe expand. With no gravitational object no mass time rush like crazy.
if the matter that created the black hole is converted into warped spacetime, what is maintaining the persistent warping of the spacetime?
It takes energy to stretch a spring. It doesn't take any energy to hold it stretched.
The matter isn't converted into space time. It's literally crushed to the point of a singularity. We don't know what's happening inside but theoretically the matter is still at its center just crushed to a point in spacetime.
The matter isn't converted to space-time, it's only warping it. The matter is still inside the black hole and is what makes it dense enough to warp space-time.
Now I believe what may be causing the confusion here is the incorrect notion that anything that falls into a black hole is destroyed. In principle that would be impossible. Matter is made up of information, you could even say it's a physical manifestation of information in some regards. What this means is that if you start breaking matter down into smaller and smaller pieces you would ultimately reach a point where you couldn't do that anymore. But those smaller and smaller pieces that once made up said matter are still there. This is due to the law of conservation of mass and energy which explains that matter can't be created or destroyed.
While I did say the matter is still inside the black hole, it's interesting to note that it may not actually be matter. Rember, e=mc^2. Mass doesn't only have energy, it IS energy. That's the equation used to convert mass to energy and vice versa. So that matter inside the black hole could actually have just been converted into energy.
I hope that's at least somewhat helpful.
@@JadeRabbit-je4gd Many scientist will still argue that information cannot be accessed by an observer and is therefore de facto destroyed and a conservation violation.
It's interesting to consider in light of quantum mechanics.
@@tommygunrunner4656 I would agree to a certain extent, granted that the black hole information paradox is something that we probably won't ever have a definite solution for. Or if we do it will more than likely be an exceedingly long time from now. I guess the only thing I'm not 100% convinced of is the idea of information being nonexistent simply because it can't be accessed by an observer. The best analogy I can formulate to illustrate my reservations would be a bank vault.
Let's say there is a bank vault that has a mail slot that allows you to insert money, but there's no door or locking mechanism that would allow you to open it. We can slip money into the vault, but because of its design we have absolutely no way of getting the money out once it's been deposited. Obviously the money inside has been permanently taken out of circulation, it's completely irretrievable in every sense, but that doesn't mean it isnt still inside the vault. It's definitely in there because we can see it going into the slot, it's just that now it's essentially worthless because it can no longer be accessed.
It seems like a fairly intuitive analogy on the surface, then again when has quantum physics ever been intuitive? 😆
It's very interesting. Reality is just really damn weird in a lot of ways.
I can imagine everything he's explaining I wish someone showed me though
Interviewer: So how could a technologically advanced civilization harness the energy of a black hole, if light can't even escape
Kip: Euuuuaaaghhh
So, if the mass collapses and disappears, leaving behind warped space time, why doesn't it snap back once the mass has gone. Also, if black holes move and rotate, what is it that is moving and rotating?
The forces of the black hole are.moving. I thought the center of a black hole was neutrons packed together.
sclogse1 I believe you’re referring to a neutron star.
I love Science
Maybe we find a way to get energy from the spin of very small black holes if can find nearby
Not the same without John Michael Godier narrating but fascinating nonetheless
His talks are awesome.
Hair on my screan
I have a question that I hope someone can answer.
He said that near a black hole, two people wpuld experience time dilation relative to one another: one would see the other as moving very fast in time and the other would see the one moving very slowly although they would both feel normal respective to their relative space, yet in another video he said that two people traveling across space at two different speeds would see each other moving very slowly although they would feel normal? Is this a difference in general relativity and special relativity respectfully?
If so, is this also the idea and concept behind the theory of quantum gravity? Because particles seem to move quickly in time?
I would imagine that if the two people in the black hole scenario could talk to one another, for the arguments sake, that the one circling above and moving quickly through time would have to wait for the person falling in to finish their sentence because they would be speaking so slowly, while yet the person falling in would hear the person up top replying to things they haven't said yet.
This allegedly has been observed in quantum physics with particles like the double slit experiment? Is this a time dilation that general relativity can explain?
So if you're almost at the horizon and you're watching your space ship friend age, what about if you found a way to push away from near the horizon and revisit him? Does that mean you would be pretty much the same whilst your friend is pushing a Zimmer frame after what felt like seconds/minutes to you?
Un freaking real!
Black holes may be extremely cold (near absolute zero) to us from the outside, but if the gravity of the black hole swallows up all matter and energy, then how do we know that all that mass and energy inside, which cannot escape the event horizon and is trapped inside, is not in fact extremely hot inside? How do we know what the temperature is just inside of the event horizon?
If there is no radiation emitted by the black hole, then what are the astrophysical jets that come from the black hole? (1) What is space expanding into? (2) What is time? (3) Where does spacetime come from? (4) Why was the universe born hot and dense to begin with?
Kip Thorne has one of the dopest beard!
Could time going to center of black hole be quantum gravity?
How does space act inside black hole?
Couldn’t make the audio more high pitchy noisy?
I cannot even imagine , what happens in the singularity
tru vacuum exposed to our energy based space?
how i think of it just no there there to allow any quantum or other processes ultimate density as far as our universe with fields and energy is concerned.
why it tries so hard to keep it away from your universe.
I don’t think anyone can.
@@fredmeebley not for certain no.
but it is fun to think about.
we may be able to probe these things out in a few decades however, best shot is better detection devices to watch stellar collisions around BH and quasars and the like.
vs building several generations of new colliders nm the energy requirements to run them at the energies needed is well ridiculous.
So time is an energy?
I feel like living in black hole now
black holes matter
I am absolutely certain that black coffee exists!
You are sharp.
Black coffee is just a curvature in 4 dimensional sleepiness :|
If I'm near the horizon looking out, seeing everything moving faster, would I see light moving faster than the speed of light?
And what does time do around White Holes?
I suppose light woul still have the same speed because it's relates to time?
Not according to General Relativity; light would keep moving at the same speed from your point of view (and nothing else would move faster than light either; you would simply see the speed of everything approach the speed of light).
(Space)Time around white holes (if they exist) would also be strongly curved; one possible solution is symmetrical to a Schwarzschild or Kerr black hole, just "in reverse", i.e. time would run incredibly fast near the white hole, as seen from an outside observer: particles ejected from the white hole horizon would seem to come from infinitely far into the past (just as particles falling into a black hole would seem to take infinitely far into the future to reach the horizon)
Fletcher DeMaine You would see everything turn blue.
Light would blueshift to ultraviolet and x-rays... possibly gamma.
Davido Vasquez would I turn into hulk hogan ? I mean the hulk ?
If nothing can escape the event horizon of a black hole or move away from it, then how could anything remain conscious? Nerve impulses surely couldn't move around in your body?
Yeah it’s weird that amount of power, form it self somehow
what is the gravitation of blackhole?
E2N2
I was under the impression that we didn't know whats at the center of a black hole. Yet Kip Thorne in several occasions mentioned that all the matter is destroyed inside the black hole leaving an object made up of only warped space time. Is this correct?
As a follow up. How can the destruction of an object create a black hole allowing for the warping of space time to continue without anything at its center causing the gravitational pull?
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We don't know that a black hole has anything going on inside of the event horizon. But what we do know is that radiation, light rays of of any wavelength, cannot escape the event horizon, which only means that within the event horizon, all light that fall onto the black hole will undoubtedly cause a grand display of blinding light just inside the horizon, because of the light pulled in and trapped into a decaying orbit to the center of the hole. If there were radiation emitted by the core of the black hole, then this would not leave the physical surface of the singularity, time and gravity would prevent it. This means two things, though the black hole will not let any motion out possible, the temperature just inside of the event horizon must rise due to all of the radiation being concentrated into an orbit within the event horizon. We see the same thing outside the horizon in the form of an accession disk.
I think this must have been a old interview.. but were getting closer to truth lol.
Space in motion.. blackholes strip matter into its parts.. which are fundamentally space.. everything is space. Matter is just the intersection of the different types of space.. dark matter and dark energy.. wish I could explain what I see in my mind better but it's hard to describe warped space.
If black holes near enough stop time at the event horizon, would we even notice it spinning if we looked? Would it not appear static?
but they do not go that fast ever, the laws of nature apply to it it spins NEAR the speed of light not AT it, so time would be dilated extremely but not stopped. your perspective its been said time would but you would be torn to shreads and smeared all across a singularity.
@@scottmiller4295 I know but I mean for an outside observer, surely the back hole would not appear to spin? Just as someone falling in would appear to move extremely slow, then surely the black holes spin would also appear extremely slow, to an outside observer.
Found out what Jeff Goldbloom’s brother is up to.
Time is a measurement. A black hole will not increase or slow down your biological clock. Light takes time to travel the distance to an observer. Gravity and matter are the fundamental players, but to observe gravities effect on matter will take time for light to travel the distance depending how far the observer and how gravity might interact with the light if there is any light to see.
no but if i am close to the black hole my clock will run slower than someone farther away.
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Is that what makes a galaxy a spiral; the warping of space around a super massive black hole?
I don’t think so. The rotation of galaxies comes from the aggregate angular momentum of the massive glass cloud that formed the galaxy. Similar to why a star like the sun spins, but on the level of a galaxy.
Crazy
Kip is the reason I am where I am... Black holes and time warps - thanks kip!
5 years for pt 2??????
Me: Wow, Kip, space and black holes are amazing. It seems the real form of communication is mathematics since its difficult to put all the complexities into words.
Kip: Euuuuaaaghhh
I once called these things life suckers, but wives all over the country were offended
Then there
All this time and i never even considered/realized that even time falls into black holes. Thats fucking nuts🤯