They Called My Opening "Garbage"
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"Garbage opening" that guy was just mad because he had skill issue lol
Salty
@@kingpm3586 Fr
a skill issue*
@@ambush_but_the_worst Plural not singular because he has multiple skill issues, therefore "he had skill issue"
Wait until he got beaten up by someone who played bongcloud
A dude once stalled me for 15 minutes straight because I apparently played "boring, without risks or mistakes," worse yet, I had to wait the whole 15 minutes doing nothing else but wait because otherwise, my phone would have made the app abandon the game.
damn thats really sad, i hope you reported them for stalling though
They were probably mad because they were losing
What did you play? :D
Landan
@crystallized1676 The Giuoco Piano
I love how the opponent played a tricky line you have to go out of your way to study, to forget about your rook and blunder their queen lol
I was so happy with myself for finding queen takes a1. It’s really easy if you’re too stupid to think of what you’re opponent can do.
Yeah I found it and I am 1200 but I am really good at puzzles
I saw it too, but like Nelson, I got frightened and figured it was no good.
Found it okay but when he pointed out the longer Q+ line, I did not consider that so would have probably messed it up in the fololow up.
I found it right away, seeing Qxf5+ and thinking it was alright... but I had the wrong followup lol
As an 800 i also found that
If you are upset because your opponent uses a "garbage opening" (which you then proceed to lose against) it means you rely on memorization of opening theory rather than actual chess skill.
This is why Chess960 ultimately isn't necessary and it will never replace standard chess. There's only so much a human mind can memorize, and if one relies on memory by assuming the opponent will only play the best moves, you can easily punish them by not playing the best move.
I run into this a lot. I have a good deal of theory memorized for the openings I play, but can get into trouble when they play inferior lines. Its getting better, but it is one of my weaknesses I am working on.
imagine having good memory
@@deepwicked it does feel nice
@@kirillzakharov7336 i suppose personally i wouldnt know
Well, I think that Fischer-random can be fine for high level players. For my level it is not necessary for sure.
Never a good look to call someone a garbage player immediately following a one move blunder of the queen 😅
At the end of the day he showed to be worth his rating only in opening theory
Just wanted to say thank you for your phenomenal content. I started Chess recently, and watched GothamChess’s videos and my head nearly exploded. You make it understandable. Thank you!
$4.99 donation but he doesn't even respond? sad xd
Appreciate that! I'm glad you're learning!
@@ChessVibesOfficialhey chess vibes, i like your content
@@silent4198 he did
@@salazar778 he did after i said that
Clearest chess content creator. I wish there were three more of you
Why 3?
I want 5 more.
I want 69 more.😊
What about Levi?
I mean I see the Content of both of them
@@siddharthsinghjadon7252 They are both awesome in their own style.
He’s such a sweetheart
He’s literally saying he understands why this guy got mad at him
I'm around 1200 rated and blundered my queen one time, but I kept playing and it payed off, because my opponent blundered checkmate. It's never over until it's over, even if you blunder, you have to realize that if you make a blunder with your elo, your opponent with a similar elo could very well make a blunder of the same degree, especially while they might be overconfident because they're up in material.
Same! I was around 1100 back then and lost my queen. I didn’t think much and played on, and won’t the game. If I remember, I think I lost my queen for 2 minor pieces. They ended up blundering their pieces and my pieces swarmed the queen and took it
Oh absolutely, can’t count how many times I was way up in material and completely threw the game (also 1200)
When I lose huge material, and it is a blitz game, I just guard my king with all the pieces left, and win on time. It is pretty nice way to save games, especially when you are beginner or intermediate. This kind of players do not really know how to start an attack and breakthrough in position like this, so they just play random moves, and lose on time
Yeah I am 1200 and I mousesliped losing my queen but he premoved in a fork and I blocked it and he lost his queen and I was up a bishop and won
I once went M1 0-1 to M1 1-0 because I distracted the king by moving my rook diagonally next to him. He took it, which made him open for a M1 checkmate.
I know I shouldn't be depending on my enemy's lack of awareness to win because it's better to win with positions and tactics but that one felt so good because of how badly I was losing.
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I once played some salty guy who said that my openings were boring (I played the Fried Liver as White and the Schmid Defence as Black), I only trade pieces and get into an endgame and that I would run from rematches, but I ended up playing 7 games against them, won 6 and only drew 1. Turns out my "boring" openings were more exciting than their losing endgames.
I'm 800 and once my opponent insulted my opening, and I got so anxious that I blundered. They then said "learn better openings" but my blunder had nothing to do with the opening. I blocked the chat ever since.
"It was a rubbish opening ..." ..." Yeah, but I beat you with it"... Thats what we call "a sore loser"
I play a garbage opening as black (Duras gambit) and I FINALLY had someone play it against me in a rated game aaand... I lost against my own terrible opening... we didn't chat or anything but it was kinda depressing...
I looked at the most critical line of the 4...Qh4 Scotch recently (a line also recommended in Jonathan Tait's A Disreputable Chess Opening Repertoire btw). It reminds me of some Englund Gambit lines (1.d4 e5) where Black brings the queen out early and White catches Black's king in the centre by playing Nd5 or Nb5 early on. But in many of those Englund Gambit lines, material is level, or Black has an extra pawn but the queen gets stranded on the queenside, and Stockfish usually assesses them as +2, whereas in this 4...Qh4 Scotch line Black has an extra pawn and centralised queen and is only +1. Lines like these that violate traditional opening principles but are hard to refute over the board can be very psychologically effective.
I once had someone call me trash after they fell for a fools mate.
Lmao nice description of your opponent
I love moments like 8:42
Please never cut these out!
@chessvibes1 no thanks.
Yeah, Nelson. I have faced the people who insult me hacking even I play inaccurately.
When I lost to him(not evening on the time), he said me "noob hacker".
He doesn't even know how to catch the hacker. I was so annoyed from him. I know the feeling.
I feel you dude, those kinds of players are the worst... among cheaters and early queen attackers lol
@@benprescott9217 who are cheaters though? It's certainly not possible to play any illegal moves, so who do you call cheaters?
And regarding early queen attackers, I once played a game (as white) which started with:
e4 e5
Nf3 Qh5
Idk what he was thinking lol, of course I took the queen
@@ohyeahohyeah1071 People who use an engine to relay and play the best moves during a game are considered cheaters
@@ohyeahohyeah1071 That's a true garbage opening right there.
Hey man just wanted to say that your content has helped me improve so much. Keep putting out the good videos!
Thanks a lot, Natsco! Keep going!
Bad openings?
My kind of style.
Everytime I play the Clementz, Blue Moon Defense, or the Irish; Chicago/Halloween Gambit, it's always a fun game. My goal in chess is to have fun, whether winning or losing.
bro recited the bible
@@eggiosus bro is the one who wrote the bible
@@eggiosus
Commenter: writes more than 3.5 words
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@@JMZReviewwhen your attention span is as long as a goldfish:
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When you watch TikTok and RUclips shorts every day
Keep up the good work and ignore bad people. Block them or make a public video for them. Love to see youre games, nothing fake and so much to learn from you. Best wishes.
Garbage Opening?
Mate you chose the opening lol
Hey Nelson, if you see this comment I thought I might offer a video suggestion. I saw a meme where the chessboard was turned sideways with the pieces on it. It was called "chess, but sideways." I thought it could be something fun and interesting to try out.
The board was set up so that instead of the pieces being set up in their normal starting positions, all the pieces were set up on the a and b files for white and the g and h files for black. In other words, white's setup was rook on a8, knight on a7, bishop on a6, queen on a5, king on a4, bishop on a3, knight on a2, and rook on a1, and then the b file was full of pawns. Black then had the same kind of setup for the g and h files where their back file pieces were set up similarly, and then the g file was full of black's pawns.
Pawns would be advanced by moving sideways across their respective ranks, and capturing diagonally one square as they do, but moving to a different rank as they do so instead of a different file. A white pawn promotes by reaching the h file, while a black pawn promotes by reaching the a file. Also, en passant could be done if a pawn reaches the e file for white or the d file for black and a pawn in an adjacent rank suddenly rushes forward two squares. The advanced pawn could then slide diagonally one square above or below that pawn to capture it. Most of the other rules were the same except for those kinds of adjustments to pawn move rules. Lastly, castling would be done by moving a king up or down two spaces instead of across two spaces, then moving the rook up or down over it (depending on which way a player chooses to castle).
chess can be frustrating, but when you start insulting your opponents you need to take a break.
I love you even more for that, at the beginning Chess Vibes. Love you even more.
You Chess Vibes are an awesome person you, and a million respects to you, Chess Vibes for being such an awesome awesome person.
And Chess Vibes that, is a massive massive understatement to you.
Love the video, it’s awesome
Hello Nelson Id like to further my knowledge regarding the English and its theory but not sure which book to study about my favorite opening.
Great video as always I love your exposition. I've done thousands of puzzles but find games against real people stressful. Rapid rating 900, puzzle 2400. If I get past the midgame even with a piece down, I destroy opponents my level.
Same. I mostly play against the bots because playing real people stresses me out.
I have fallen into this way of thinking several times.After studying an opening and learning the traps i am always delighted when my opponent falls for it.
However i've then gone on to lose the game...so frustrating!
Hey I have a question. When white played Qh7, couldn't we play Rook on B file to B1? If he takes with either of the rooks it is a forced mate. He could only take the pawn on f5 with queen and we end up with a much better position.
"I didn't think opening is that important when I was young.." - Magnus asked about his openings as a young player
Someone once told me I made absolutely nonsensical moves and then thanked me for hanging my queen right before walking directly into my M2 checkmate with a killer pawn, lol.
A bot replying to a bot comment. Would you look at that?
@@wasifchowdhury2004 I'm not a bot. This is a troll account made to look like a bot account but I'm not botting.
And then he sacrifices THE QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for sharing your story. Quite inspiring.
Never in my life have i seen someone trash talking in chess and its hilarious
In a regular slow chess tournament with a standard time for moves, I played the Goering gambit. I was around USCF rating of about 1200, he was around 1700. Near the end of the game, he liquidated the pieces too soon, and I was able to win by queening the a pawn. He stormed out ranting and raving under his breath.
3:55 "Lucky for me for some miracle I had checked this line recently it was such a Ridiculous miracle...I don't even know why I checked it! I just saw Qh6!"
-Hans Nelson
10:15 no, I have not had a similar experience. I've never won a game against a 2100 player. yet.
Dude was like: "Hey you cant play that bad line. I didnt memorize it"
Everytime I play any other game i'm always just really upset, but when I play chess i'm just calm.
one time i traded queens which i think ruins the opponent’s entire plan so he said “why trade queen so stupid” and after a few moves he resigned
for content creators, this is like the best thing to run into. It gives content and they don't even realize it
I only roast my opponents when they play literally the most basic moves and they think that it's illegal to not capture a piece whenever you have an opportunity. That always leads to the same position and they're wondering why I always win (after meeting the 1500th player in a row with the same boring line).
7:29 Yup, saw that!
It always happens to me, once one literally said "I'm going to use the rest of the time I have to insult you" when he was one move away from being checkmated lol
Your opponent was hacked off because he should have won. I would have thought that for you guys at 2000+ a Wayward Queen should be easy enough to swat away and not get upset about it.
I was once he blunders his queen and he called me a Bum and then told me that he was still gonna win
He lost
Sometimes I like to offer draw when I'm in a bad position and my opponent declines and somehow I win at the end.
I'm a lower rated player, and while I'm learning as much as I can my favorite opening so far is the fool's mate opening, a continuation of the Barnes opening. Sure if someone sees it (I'm confident I won't be allowed to play it at higher levels) it's lost, but if they don't it's weird enough that chess is no longer about memorizing lines, but becomes about seeing tactics which is more fun.
Got a pawn checkmate first time I played it too, wish it were actually good though.
Once, I had a player that started insulting and I quit the game and reported him
I even remembered the Magnus weirdest ridiculous opening and didn't lose XD, I also get the idea from "Grandmaster doing tricky openings" and I like it. Love the allure teaching quintessential benevolent skills❤
the Qh4 line is what I always play, works like a charm on lower levels 😂
7:19 black can play Qxa8 sometimes also
"Garbage opening"
If garbage doesn't get punished, it's not garbage lol. Wayward queen Scholar's mate is a bad opening above 600, but that doesn't make people bad for trying it at low level if it it actually works. Stockfish may not like this opening either, but apparently it works at 2100.
During a tournament game, I got angry at both myself and my opponent after losing a rook from ... Nc2+ (my king and rook on their original places). I had evidently done that a few times just before then, so I got mad at myself for falling into that yet again. Then I played probably the most aggressive chess I'd ever played up until then. (I picked away at defenseless pieces and gradually infiltrated his defenses.)
That’s the reason I always turn chat off. No discussions, no insulting, just play Chess………
It happened to me too, I was called 'noob' and other things. I reported the user for verbal abuse and told him I did it. I won the game after that.
7:10
Could you have sacrificed the Queen with Qa1 here because if rook takes you have rook b1 which forces another rook trade followed by the pawn promotion with back rank mate?
Edit: oh lol nvm he explains it
Of course, this happens all the time. Just ignore all messages during the game and never respond to anything.
This way, They would get even angrier since they think the other person do not care lol
@@adamizz-warith1540 So mute them.=)
When I was still 600 in bullet, I once lefonged an opponent. He told me, and I kid you not, "You play like a j**, burn like one." literally choked on my soup.
My proudest check is when someone said “you suck at the game” and then I pawn checkmate him few moves later
1279 elo - I was 7 points ahead, by a rook and 2 pawns. He left the backrank open, by moving his rook to e8, also a blunder, whilst I was castled to kingside, and my rook has open on the rightside, so I move to a1, and it was a backrank checkmate. Got chatted the same stuff 😂😂😂
The guy had such knowledge that he could even use the botez gambit when it was neccessary 😆
I was also insulted this very week. Played an Owen Defense, white blundered the e4 pawn in like 5 moves and I forced a queen trade to then be called a coward idiot who should learn how to play by my opponent. I tried to tease, but actually losy my cool, blundered the pawn back to some rookie tactic and got mated in an equal rook endgame. Reached one of my peak salt ratings.
On a serious note, I think websites should be stricter towards cussing and harassment during games. Some strike system based on bot/human analysis on what's said. I actually am a bit oversensitive but feel like these situations can really make your day worse
I play hippo defense it is just getting everyone out of prep so it is not bad
mean while hikaru in disrespect stream "lets play ke2"
My friend and my other friend played against each other
White was winning materials and position
All black had was a queen and a knight which his rook was undeveloped too
And white was checking the king continuously, didn't realized the checkmate in one and blundered queen taking a pawn and checkmated himself LOL
in low ratings it happened many time to me that i blunder something and my oponent says: "GG" in chat like the game is over (maybe even in the opening) . I used to don´t say anything but if i won i would say gg back in chat and then leave.
Don't you just love it when your opponent calls you garbage and they lose to you? Kind of like them kicking themselves lol.
If he wrote garbage player to me after I won, i would have happily responded "but still good enough to beat you,...checkmate!
Wait i think i found a brilliant move at 7:07
The white queen went to h3 which (based on what i found is a forced mate)
Qh3 Qxa1 Rxa1 Rb1 Rxb1 and pawn takes b1 promoting into a queen then backrank checkmate!!
All openings/defences are playable. The proof is in Stockfish's ability to play anything. Sure, its superior technique wins the day; but the great Capablanca was accused of this! You can't win!! Well, of course you can. Anderssen played his own opening 1.a3 against Morphy. Result? A win & a draw for the man from Breslau. On the opposite end of the scale, I would quote Alekhine in the New York 1924 tournament book: "he (Capablanca) took the liberty of playing this joke opening (1....g6 in reply to 1.e4). One should never commit oneself to a certain position before one's opponent has made his intentions clear". And this from a Hypermodern! To sum up, like an old fella said to me when I was fourteen "I like to take them out the book". Apparently, so does Stockfish. Let's do a Stockfish, & completely ignore all bad mannered individuals.
Your best videos are game analysis videos like this.
I'm 1400-1500 and for some reason when I play the Vienna as Black I can't stop getting trapped in the Meitner-Mieses gambit line / trap. It's bad, as in +1-ish and many Queen-trapping threats for White. However I've got a decent 50-50 record with it (while the overall Lichess record is 64% win for White), and I think it's mostly due to the fact that I got decently good at defending it (as in, for a player of around my level) and many opponents get frustrated that they can't convert the advantage into a win and end up blundering at some point.
I just had a game where I was flat out winning and won, playing a decent line, so the other player started insulting me (even throwing in racial slurs for an ethnicity I am not even a part of). Blocked and reported him. Its so sad when people act that way. While I do hate losing, i never insult the player (even if I have suspicions of foul play) - I just move on and report as necessary.
Nelson you are awesome, not even exposing the crazy person who ofended you. I've been playing chess for almost 2 years now, and I have been ofended at least 3 times, I am a beginner same as the people I play against, most likely none of us will never be a grand master o famous or anything, its just about enjoying a cool game, still there's toxic people out there, the kind we don't want in the chess or any other community for that matter
Fascinating game. Too bad you're opponent couldn't appreciate the beauty of the position. Love how you make these offbeat ideas work.
Bro accidentaly popped his winston ult
3:56 thats what Hans said
i feel like i am always in his shoes blundring winning positions all the time
however maybe i never thought from my oponent side whenever they blunder
I'm 800 elo so correct me if I'm wrong but isn't queen takes rook on a1 at 7:07 lead to checkmate.
Again maybe there's something I'm missing plz sb clarify.
Oh nvm he did clarify
This is the reason I never, EVER accept chat requests. :)
Okay I have to admit this and I don’t know why I do this. Everytime I lose a game of chess, even though I made the mistakes, I still get very upset at my opponent. Sometimes if they play a queen move on the 2nd move and end up winning the game later, in my mind I feel like I lost to a garbage player. I feel like I should be banned for the amount of times I’ve got into the most pointless arguments with my opponents. I guess mentally I hate losing cause I know I lost to someone smarter than me
The problem with this kind of opening is that it is very tricky for the opponent to defend the first lines if they don`t know it well. This is what bothers people. You have to rely on very specific moves to survive the first few developments of the game
Lasker once said, on the chessboard there is no hipocrisy, it's all shown at the sunlight.
Qa1?
At 7:10, why can’t you play Queen takes Rook a1?
Your opponent is going to write all about it in his new book, 'Waaagh' - and it'll be featured on South Park!
I’m bad at openings I always start off losing but I’m okay at middle game and pretty good at endgame so I usually get a comeback game
One time my opponent was toxic, then asked to draw. I refused. Ten moves later, he resigned.
7:28 Queen sac
I usually play worse against bad opening lines because I dont know what to do
My go to reply to that kind of thing is something like:
"I know! I completely suck at this game! I'm just lucky that matchmaking exists and that it finds me garbage players to play against, or else I'd NEVER win! (kiss emoji)"
was hoping you opened with the bongcloud given how angry the guy got
Qh4 was the first opening my coach taught me. I go insulted so much yet i went up 200 points
That was funny, thanks for sharing :-D A quick question though, why are you playing a line you know is bad, rather than choosing something that is sound and will serve you over the long-term.
Because it's blitz and attempting to take your opponent out of prep is a strategy.
That is how life goes. If you lose, people make fun of you and if you win, it is definitely your fault!
I see this a lot at my low limit, even see a number of 4 letter words. People forget that it’s a game. Why they play I have no idea, anyone that gets upset, to the point were they try to insult the winner needs to quit and play checkers.
Noooo Nelson plays qh4 in the scotch this was what I play and now more people know it
that happend a player tried to offer draw when he is in a completely bad postion (unescapable) and he started talking rubbish