So you can hold on for your dear life? 🤔 I handled it with brakes. It didn't cascade. It didn't change flight direction. It didn't cravat. I am happy. Can I be quicker and more sensitive, so I don't have to release Bs? I certainly strive in that direction. Meanwhile, I take it as a good outcome.
@@JANI137 have you even watched the video? The collapse happens while I am still holding b-risers. Could I have caught it with b-risers? Probably, but since my first reaction was to release the speedbar, it didn't matter much after that. Easier to deal with the brakes. The glider didn't spin, didn't cascade, didn't change the direction. Since my goal wasn't winning the comp, a little bit of slowing down was not a big deal. I was back on the bar shortly after. While I appreciate superman reflexes you exhibit in your flying videos, I am ok with the outcome in mine.
@@SkyMaxOne No offense, I see what you're saying but if you learn to active fly on speed bar you can prevent these kind of collapses. Sure you can "deal" with them on the brakes but why do that if you can simply not have a collapse at all ;-P?
@@jonathansummerfield8390 none taken. If you can prevent all collapses before they happen - good for you. All I am saying, if collapse already happened, dealing with it with the brakes is easier and I don't see anything wrong with it. To me, the outcome is important here. It didn't cascade, it didn't change direction etc etc. The pilot happily continued with the flight.
Many thanks for your video Sky Max. I also fly the Klimber 2 20 (78kg) at about 76kg. You fly at 88 kg all in the 21 (93 kg). I think if you add about 3 kg more, the glider will be more solid and less prone to collapse
Awesome! Thank you for your perspective. 88kg is already with some ballast 🙂 I also heard different reports of rough behavior when loading klimber to the top. In any case, it's my hike and fly wing, I just wanted to get it through different conditions so I knew what to expect. It's definitely not a competition wing. That being said, I consider the glider really well behaved. It was some really rough air and it opened without a problem, cravats, or sticky ears.
All things considered, they weren't too bad. The main thing, I let the wing fly. The initial event didn't cascade, flight path didn't change much. Can it be improved? Most likely. But I am happy with the outcome as it is.
Why it collapses? We are flying soft, ram air wings. Any abrupt change in air speed can cause a loss of pressure and, as a result, loss of wing structure. Transition into a strong thermal can easily create that speed change. That's why active piloting is important, you want to re-pressurize the wing as fast as possible, and regain the airspeed. Flying en-b requires a little bit less input, and the wing usually reopens on its own, if you let it. With high aspect ratio wings, a little bit more input is needed as the wing might not reopen on its own. Klimber is really well behaving wing in that regard
Thank you for sharing. With active flying it behaves surprisingly well. Was very impressed by the full speedbar collapse reaction. Niviuk does a good job and it seems their gliders don't cravat as easy as other 2-liners out there.
@@SB-fe5pc it folds where it loses pressure. It just happen to be the right side in this case. The wing was retrimmed after this trip and didn't need big adjustments.
@@SkyMaxOne It could be a loss of pressure. It could be that the angle of attack of the wing in these places is incorrect. In your case it turned out that the angle was wrong.
Some of these collapses are nasty and could potentially be dangereous in rough terrain... are you sure you are ready for this type of glider? Maybe you should take a step back to a wing more suitable for your skill level
All collapses are potentially dangerous. Please elaborate on your comment. What's wrong with my handing of the collapses you see? And what wing would be suitable for my skill level exactly?
@@SkyMaxOne What's wrong is that you get collapses at all... what wing? I don't know, try one that you can handle and you don't let collapse all the time :)
@@JANI137 you didn't answer my question but fine. If you think you can prevent all collapses then you probably never fly in strong conditions. Anyway, good luck with whatever flying you do.
@@SkyMaxOne je suis moniteur de parapente depuis 35 ans et un des trucs que j'ai appris est que les pilotes qui n'écoutent pas les conseils et ne se remettent pas en question ne progressent jamais. Sur cette vidéo il est clair que tu voles dans des conditions inadaptées et que cette voile ne pardonne pas tes petites imprécisions de pilotage.
@@patrickmichel782 what I learned over the years is that taking an advise from an internet troll is as useful as hitting yourself in the face. You don't know me, and I don't know you. You also not giving an advice, you are stating your opinion. I'm not arguing that my skills need improving, but saying that this wing is not appropriate for the pilot is not an advice. It's just your opinion based on a short video clip. Everyone's situation is different. I don't have an easy access to flying sites with conditions like in the video, so considering the situation - it went well. If it's not up to your liking, well, internet is a big place.
@@SkyMaxOne Si tu ne souhaites que des compliments sur ton formidable pilotage et ta maitrise incroyable des conditions évite d'afficher tes vidéos en public sur RUclips. Sur cette vidéo il est clair que tu ne maitrise pas ces conditions et que tes gesticulations ne correspondent pas à un pilotage précis de ce type de voiles. Maintenant libre à toi de ne pas écouter les commentaires d'un professionnel et de continuer à te mettre en danger en volant au dessus de tes compétences.
@@patrickmichel782 It's my life to do as I pleased with it. For sure I don't need you or anyone else to tell me how to live it. That being said, it wasn't the point I was making earlier. Cheers.
the last on on full speed - I hope you know why there are handles on the B risers 🙂
So you can hold on for your dear life? 🤔 I handled it with brakes. It didn't cascade. It didn't change flight direction. It didn't cravat. I am happy. Can I be quicker and more sensitive, so I don't have to release Bs? I certainly strive in that direction. Meanwhile, I take it as a good outcome.
@@SkyMaxOne lol you remove the reflex profile by using the brakes... so you probably even made the wing collapse by your actions
@@JANI137 have you even watched the video? The collapse happens while I am still holding b-risers. Could I have caught it with b-risers? Probably, but since my first reaction was to release the speedbar, it didn't matter much after that. Easier to deal with the brakes. The glider didn't spin, didn't cascade, didn't change the direction. Since my goal wasn't winning the comp, a little bit of slowing down was not a big deal. I was back on the bar shortly after.
While I appreciate superman reflexes you exhibit in your flying videos, I am ok with the outcome in mine.
@@SkyMaxOne No offense, I see what you're saying but if you learn to active fly on speed bar you can prevent these kind of collapses.
Sure you can "deal" with them on the brakes but why do that if you can simply not have a collapse at all ;-P?
@@jonathansummerfield8390 none taken. If you can prevent all collapses before they happen - good for you. All I am saying, if collapse already happened, dealing with it with the brakes is easier and I don't see anything wrong with it. To me, the outcome is important here. It didn't cascade, it didn't change direction etc etc. The pilot happily continued with the flight.
Good handling. Especially of the last collapse the pilot released the bar just when the collapse started.
Thank you
Many thanks for your video Sky Max. I also fly the Klimber 2 20 (78kg) at about 76kg. You fly at 88 kg all in the 21 (93 kg). I think if you add about 3 kg more, the glider will be more solid and less prone to collapse
Awesome! Thank you for your perspective.
88kg is already with some ballast 🙂 I also heard different reports of rough behavior when loading klimber to the top. In any case, it's my hike and fly wing, I just wanted to get it through different conditions so I knew what to expect. It's definitely not a competition wing. That being said, I consider the glider really well behaved. It was some really rough air and it opened without a problem, cravats, or sticky ears.
@@SkyMaxOne Yeah, top loaded the Klimber becomes a lot more stable and gives a bit less feedback (so more comfort)
Do you have any reflections on your inputs @SkyMax?
All things considered, they weren't too bad. The main thing, I let the wing fly. The initial event didn't cascade, flight path didn't change much. Can it be improved? Most likely. But I am happy with the outcome as it is.
Why!? I am a fairly new pilot and get this quite a lot when there are strong thermals, and I am only using an EN-B-
Why it collapses? We are flying soft, ram air wings. Any abrupt change in air speed can cause a loss of pressure and, as a result, loss of wing structure. Transition into a strong thermal can easily create that speed change. That's why active piloting is important, you want to re-pressurize the wing as fast as possible, and regain the airspeed. Flying en-b requires a little bit less input, and the wing usually reopens on its own, if you let it. With high aspect ratio wings, a little bit more input is needed as the wing might not reopen on its own. Klimber is really well behaving wing in that regard
Thank you for sharing. With active flying it behaves surprisingly well. Was very impressed by the full speedbar collapse reaction. Niviuk does a good job and it seems their gliders don't cravat as easy as other 2-liners out there.
@@haukeplambeck agreed. A very well behaved glider. I had an easy transition from a en-c
😂 At 0:29 the pilot above you (yellow wing) was dealing with a cravat on his right side...
I know. 😁 I saw him taking a collapse and getting a bump. I went right there. On a low save I'll take that trade off
Beautiful handling bro..
Thank you so much 😀
There is a problem with the right side of the paraglider.
Is there now?
@@SkyMaxOne Folds only on the right side. I noticed the moments of unloading the right part of the wing (without folding).
@@SB-fe5pc it folds where it loses pressure. It just happen to be the right side in this case. The wing was retrimmed after this trip and didn't need big adjustments.
@@SkyMaxOne It could be a loss of pressure. It could be that the angle of attack of the wing in these places is incorrect. In your case it turned out that the angle was wrong.
un petit-pois 🙂
Um...
Some of these collapses are nasty and could potentially be dangereous in rough terrain... are you sure you are ready for this type of glider? Maybe you should take a step back to a wing more suitable for your skill level
All collapses are potentially dangerous. Please elaborate on your comment. What's wrong with my handing of the collapses you see? And what wing would be suitable for my skill level exactly?
@@SkyMaxOne What's wrong is that you get collapses at all... what wing? I don't know, try one that you can handle and you don't let collapse all the time :)
@@JANI137 all ram air wings collapse. It's what you do when it happens what matters. Just curious, Where do you fly and what kind of flying you do?
@@SkyMaxOne all ram air wings collapse... if you don't fly them actively and let the lines go slack :)
@@JANI137 you didn't answer my question but fine. If you think you can prevent all collapses then you probably never fly in strong conditions. Anyway, good luck with whatever flying you do.
Une voile et des conditions au dessus des compétences du pilote.
Sure. If I listened to people like yourself, I wouldn't have ever flown. The pilot was just fine, and learned a thing or two.
@@SkyMaxOne je suis moniteur de parapente depuis 35 ans et un des trucs que j'ai appris est que les pilotes qui n'écoutent pas les conseils et ne se remettent pas en question ne progressent jamais.
Sur cette vidéo il est clair que tu voles dans des conditions inadaptées et que cette voile ne pardonne pas tes petites imprécisions de pilotage.
@@patrickmichel782 what I learned over the years is that taking an advise from an internet troll is as useful as hitting yourself in the face. You don't know me, and I don't know you. You also not giving an advice, you are stating your opinion.
I'm not arguing that my skills need improving, but saying that this wing is not appropriate for the pilot is not an advice. It's just your opinion based on a short video clip.
Everyone's situation is different. I don't have an easy access to flying sites with conditions like in the video, so considering the situation - it went well. If it's not up to your liking, well, internet is a big place.
@@SkyMaxOne Si tu ne souhaites que des compliments sur ton formidable pilotage et ta maitrise incroyable des conditions évite d'afficher tes vidéos en public sur RUclips. Sur cette vidéo il est clair que tu ne maitrise pas ces conditions et que tes gesticulations ne correspondent pas à un pilotage précis de ce type de voiles.
Maintenant libre à toi de ne pas écouter les commentaires d'un professionnel et de continuer à te mettre en danger en volant au dessus de tes compétences.
@@patrickmichel782 It's my life to do as I pleased with it. For sure I don't need you or anyone else to tell me how to live it.
That being said, it wasn't the point I was making earlier. Cheers.