What is there to steal exactly? The original publisher isnt making money anymore for most of the old games. You are just filling the pockets of after market sellers. Émulation is amazing and wrongfully frowned upon. I have backed up complète romsets of most consoles from 80s and 90s myself. I only collect for the saturn now. In fact i built myself a sick classic console using retropie that plays 23 différent systems with tons of roms.
I haven't watched the video yet but am pretty sure that Golden Axe 2 - The Revenge Of Death Adder is going to be featured, that game was screaming out for a home port and being the 2D powerhouse that it was the Saturn would have been the ideal candidate for a near arcade perfect port.
@@SegaLordX Agreed, though I would have settled for just the one original mode doing the arcade game justice. I hate that publishers can't retroactively claim games based on properties they own. We'd have releases of all kinds of stuff if they could. But as it stands Disney owns Star Wars, but Sega owns the code.
I see someone else made this point that Fighters Megamix was likely conceived because they knew the Saturn was not up to doing a respectable port of Virtua Fighter 3, or was meant to fill a gap while they figured out how they could make VF3 happen. The timing of Megamix is consistent with that theory. And it was a great idea as well. I think it's reasonable that they at least considered using some kind of assistance cartridge to try to do VF3, especially since the RAM carts worked out for the 2D fighters and considering how versatile that cartridge port was in theory. Same with Saturn running Street Fighter 3. The only thing standing in the way of the system doing SF3 would be memory. It would all come down to whether the cart slot had any practical limitations on how much memory could be used and how much memory would be reasonably affordable. Golden Axe Revenge was one of many games lost to that transition period from about 1991-1994 give or take. These were games that were far too advanced for the 16-bit home systems, but came out far too early so they were already several years old by the time the Saturn and PS1 were available and could do them justice. And tastes were changing so that many of those games and genres were not in such demand as they may have been in 1992. In addition to Golden Axe, Sega's Spider-Man arcade game was another. The same thing happened with some Toaplan shooters like Dogyuun and Truxton 2. Somehow, the Genesis managed to run a playable version of Grind Stormer, but it wasn't the prettiest thing out there. That game running on the Genesis was a bit of a miracle. But there were a lot of games like those that had what we'd consider to be 32-bit-style graphics that were just out too early which worked against them getting ports, unfortunately. That seemed to be a factor in deciding on games to port. Only super-popular games like Out Run seemed to get ports if such games were more than a couple of years old. Great video as usual and a wonderful selection of games. I agree with all of it except for the games like Cool Riders that I just haven't ever played. But I have played a lot of AVP and others. Great stuff!
Nice SSG plug, dude! 🖒 Great to see the support between the channels 😁 I would have loved to see these games on the Saturn, especially Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder and Alien vs Predator. These would have indeed been perfect additions for Saturn owners 🤔
Loved to see Real Bout Fatal Fury 2 on this video as it was my favorite of the franchise outside of Garou. If it had come to the Saturn I would have definitely imported it but as fate would turn out many years later I got to pick up the actual MVS cart for my Neo Geo instead, seems we think alike on that aspect ;)
I asked this over a year ago, so it's time: does the method yet exist where the Saturn community can actually produce a repro-style Punisher that is playable?
It was the kind of game that Sega could have leaned on to give Saturn its own identity. Saturn was never going to "win" with the Playstation having the 3rd party support it had, and the massive list of exclusive games, so Sega needed to carve out its own niche, not follow in the same footsteps as its competitors.
I would've loved a port of Wolfenstein 3D. Perhaps the 3DO version or maybe a complilation of Wolfenstein 3D with Spear of Destiny and a load of unlockables.
Both Shock Troopers Wrestlefest Alien Storm Altered Beast Golden Axe Golden Axe Revenge of Death Adder Shinobi Street Fighter 3 (with ram cart bigger than 4 mb) Marvel vs Capcom Punisher both TMNT games X-Men Sunset Riders Vendetta Captain America Arabian Fight Spider-Man Segasonic The Hedgehog SNK arcade games before the Neogeo Really wanted to see each of these arcade games on saturn even if some couldn't have been 100% perfect ports to the system. I also would have liked to have seen a Streets of Rage collection on the system or even a graphical remake of the games. Also really wanted to see Fantastic Night Dreams Cotton on the system since it got Cotton 2 and Boomerang but sadly it never happened. it could have been a direct arcade version too since the game is on sega's system 16B board while all other home versions of it were altered versions.
Sega NEEDS to release a Sega Arcade Collection that has some of the titles that never came home. It'd sell like gangbusters on Switch. But unfortunately it seems that Sega is ashamed of much of its history. Or they lost the source code. I'm looking at you, Panzer Dragoon Saga.
I love my Saturn.. I only have 23 games now as I sold many, but I do have the ones I loved the most.. Looking to expand again with some of the amazing games I have seen on your channel.. What a bummer none of these made it to the system.. Saturn was ideal for all of these!
Along with Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder and Alien vs. Predator were a treasure trove of beat-em-ups locked to arcades forever, including The Punisher, Violent Storm, Cadillacs and Dinosaurs, Warriors of Fate, and others. It's a damn shame because these games are still to this day some of the finest in the genre.
Excellent list! It is strange that Shock Troopers was not ported to the Saturn, but other Saurus titles for the Neo Geo like Stakes Winner, Stakes Winner 2, & Ragnagard were.
Alien Odyssey from Martin Piper : Alien Odyssey. Yes I was working on the Saturn port alongside porting MAD video compression to the Saturn from the PC. MAD Video (Martin and Dave Video) compression was something a colleague and I had cooked up in out spare time while sharing a flat. It started life on the Archimedes and then ported to the PC at which point we sold the technology to Argument. It produced better visual results than AVC used on Creature Shock. This was in the day when typical home PCs couldn't decode MPEG in realtime so that's why other video compression systems existed in software. Anyway, it was about 50% complete when the plug was pulled. Don't recall why exactly. I was moved onto BRender projects at the time. This was when Argonaut was working with SGI to produce Firewalker which was a games development suite. Now that is a piece of gaming history and a whole story in itself.
Dude, mad props bringing up night slashers. I agree it is extremely unknown and underrated. I found it through emulation years ago, glad to find out it finally has a official release.
I was surprised we didn't see Golden Axe. I do remember you mentioning it in another video Fighters Megamix was a good alternative to Virtua Fighter 3 It really blew me away back in the days
@@SegaLordX Sega abandoned many awesome franchises like streets of rage,shinobi,golden axe.Also titles like Eternal Champions,Ristar,Vectorman could have been remade in a way that have made an earthquake to the gaming industry.
I think the poor feedback Sega got from the flat shaded polygons of Virtua Fighter outside of Japan really scared them away from doing more Model 1 games on Saturn. It's why we never got Virtua Racing from them, or a port of Star Wars Arcade on Saturn.
Real Bout 2 is my single favorite fighting game of all time. It's in my top 10 of all games. I owned the AES cartridge, the NeoCD disc, and the Battle Archives for PS2.
I remember getting so close to beating the Royal Rumble mode on just 25 cents a number of times. I always got low on energy with a guy or two left and all my moves would get reversed. It was all over from there.
@@SegaLordX that game is no joke when you are playing it by yourself. I always liked the fast characters even though they did less damage. I've always been about speed. The 90s just had some of the best games ever made and biggest leaps in gaming and will always be the golden age of gaming for me.
Night Warriors has a hidden menu which can basically turn the game into the first Darkstalkers. There was a UK magazine back then that updated their review of the game and bumped up the score due to finding out about this menu.
The lack of Revenge of Death=Adder really kills me. But, like you, I've been banging the drum for a SEGA AGES version on Switch. Seems like the perfect time.
One game I would add to this list is Denjin Makai and it's jawdroppingly incredible sequel Guardians. The latter being one of the best beat 'em ups ever made. Ever.
Alien vs. Predator is my favorite beat 'em up of all time. It would have been so smooth on the Saturn. We really should have got a lot of beat 'em ups on this system. Too bad this is the generation where they kind of died out.
My big want for Saturn was Powered Gear / Armored Warriors to go along with the amazing port of Cyberbots. Sadly we would have to wait until the PS4/Switch/XBone before seeing a home port.
I thought that the title of the EP. was alluring, and aiming for, something such as releases like those who were released but could not get for one reason or for another reason, rarity, economy, not in your region, that kind of material, I also expected that there was some games that were the talk of the Town were you lived but you never had the chance for some reason but this was not what expected
Duuuude... you have CRAZY good taste, SLX! WWF Wrestlefest, Night Slashers, Alien vs Predator and The Revenge of Death Adder were games just begging for a Saturn release. And Shock Troopers is one of my favorite games of all time. Perfect run and gun. With all the great SNK releases the JP Saturn got (combined with the 1 MB RAM exp), I think that would have been a great fit for the console. Shame.
Saturn was before it's time sega should of held back with the release made a few tweeks, upgrades, signed up exclusives. We would be most likely be playing these games downloaded on a sega modern day console now Saturn is awesome a rare treat..
I always wanted to see a CPS3 game on the Saturn or a NAOMI. Warzard, JoJos and SF3rd Strike would have been amazing to see or CvS2 and MvC2 would be as well. Especially Warzard since that game is still exclusive to arcade only :(
It's episodes like this, that really make hard (or more difficult at the very least) to be a passionate Sega fan, so many missed opportunities, so much neglect, poor decisions, it sucks. I'm referring to Sega as a company. Death Adder and other MD era Sega owned IP never being ported to me is a sign that Sega never wanted anything to do with its most successful console, the Genesis, while going forward with Saturn as you implied in your excellent "Why Saturn Failed" video, and that to me, is crazily absurd.
By the time the Saturn came out in America, most of the wrestlers in WrestleFest had already left the WWF at the time, especially Hulk Hogan. So if a WrestleFest port were to happen, they'd have to completely update the roster with guys like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Razor Ramon, Diesel, Undertaker, etc. At least there was WrestleMania: The Arcade Game.
@@SegaLordX awesome I actually bought one of those Chinese made Pandora box s units. It has like 900 ole school arcade games on it like Simpsons arcade, Tmnt, etc. and luckily AVP. Unfortunately no super scaler games, but for the price you cant beat it. They have some built into arcade sticks that have hdmi and others you can slide into Jama arcade machines. Speaking of I gotta check it for golden axe revenge of death adder.
Martin Piper (Argonaut) talking about Alien games:A Sega Saturn version of Alien Resurrection was being worked on, as far as I recall no Dreamcast version. The Saturn version failed when the programmer was found to be wasting time by trying to hand code everything as one huge assembly file. It failed to progress beyond a technical demo, not a surprise really
Try to make a part 3, with games like Kof 98 and 99, Art of Fighting 3, Double Dragon (1995), Samurai Shodown 2/ Collection (1+2), Jojo´s Bizarre adventure, Red Earth and Guilty Gear... and Games I Really Wanted for the Sega Dreamcast ...my choices: Virtua Fighter 4, Kof 2003 , ToeJam & Earl III: Mission to Earth, Shinobi (2002).
They really should have given the US the RAM carts. I get the attitude of Sega add-on fever but those things were amazing. Games that use them look like even with the extra RAM they still shouldn't be able to play on the Saturn. Such an amazing console that was just unloved in the US.
You have great videos and content. Wanted to ask you a question. If I used a Saturn RAM cartridge on a USA Street Fighter game that used the RAM cart in Japan, would it still add the extra frames is animation to the USA version? Thanks.
To my knowledge, there is only one game released outside of Japan that used the RAM cartridges for Saturn. That's Marvel Super Heroes and its compatibility with the 1MB RAM cart. You can play the game without it, but you get more frames using it. Few of the Capcom Street Fighter games even used the RAM carts. Pocket Fighter, Street Fighter Zero 3 and the VS games being the only ones. Everything else that used them from Capcom(Vampire Savior, Cyberbots, D&D Collection, etc) was Japan only. Games like Street Fighter The Movie, Street Fighter Zero 1 and 2, and Street Fighter Collection, did not use the RAM carts.
@@SegaLordX I have Vampire Savior and Cyberbots. I was just curious if the American versions of the Japanese games that used the cart could take benefit of it too.
Great video again. Would be intrigued to see you do a favourite Saturn vs Ps1 multi platform comparison video (unless you've done it already and I missed it 🤔)
Saturn ports might've saved me a lot of money I've since spent on arcade pcbs. Wrestlefest wasn't too pricey, but I spent a good amount of cash to get a good working GI Joe, and Saturn could've done that one. Punisher, Ninja Baseball Batman, Shock Troopers 2nd Squad, and dozens more definitey were more expensive to get and ship boards for than Saturn discs would've cost.
Getting PCB's and MVS carts back then was really hit and miss in the area I was in. A few amusement companies had torn up machines they'd junk and have boards for, but it was rarely anything of note. It wasn't until ebay and internet showed up full bore than those things were easy to get.
Great list of wishes! Always had that kind of feeling for sega like.. LoveHate.. started with Megadrive... soi got the Megacd.... they didn't support the mega cd like they should, trying to create better version of megadrive games or at least exclusive games (i don't even consider the tons of FMV like games at all)... when the 32x come out, i thought could be a good idea to buy one... i'm glad i didn't because sega did not support it with quality games.... so i wait to get me a saturn.. loved it... wanted a new street of rage....a new eternal champions... a new sonic... and tons of arcades 2d games... the amazing spiderman... asterix... karate blazers... AvP, the last golden axe, and so much more games which would perfectly fit in the saturn collection... so they were never released.. and plus the console was almost killed by sega itself creating and launching the dreamcast... so stopped to create any content for saturn really early... so it was so disrespectful against their own customers .. that's why i stopped to buy consoles. Other than that... sony was going on creating games and letting to the SW house to keep going on producing new sw for the playstation one... if i don't remember wrong until 2000 and few years... Loved the tons of great games i got... the unforgettable releases and the fun i had with sega consoles... but i hate the way they treated the customers... the way we were abandoned every time sega suddenly focused on a new project...They finally failed as Company because they failed their customers more than once...
Those VF3 screenshots were actually from an old model 3 emulator that was still in its early stages, hence the odd look . Personally I think that had Sega ported VF3 to the Saturn , even the masters at AM2 would probably have ended up with a game that wasn't that much better looking than Dead Or Alive. It may well be that due to the stage elevation, it would have been harder to use the VDP2 for the floor, which of course would have hurt performance even more. It may well be why Sega decided not to put any more effort into it given the state of things by 1998/9 It may well be that SF3 wasn't ported to the Saturn exactly because it would have needed some extensive reworking, while the engine it used for its previous CPS2 games, could be used with SFZ3. On a personal level ,I would have liked to see Marvel Vs Capcom on the Saturn. It was a CPS2 game after all .
I think the VF3 conversation becomes infinitely more interesting when you consider the existence of a cartridge accelerator. Just how much more it could have added is truly interesting. SF3 was almost a pure money decision I feel. Capcom likely would have needed a larger RAM cart, and since it didn't already exist, every copy of SF3 sold would have needed it. The return on that, coupled with a disappearing NA and EU market, led them to pass on the idea to the DC.
@UCT5qzgZ-Ta_5VRX5oiw1KpQ SFA2 on the SNES also used additional hardware in the cart to get that, and it was a pretty cut down port. Not saying Capcom couldn't have pulled it off , heck , the monetary incentive led them to do a half decent version of MvsC and SFZ3 on the PS1, so they certainly could, but the work involved would have been too much given the situation
@@SegaLordX Ive personally heard mixed things about that cart, including that it was more of a project at Sega America than at the Japanese branch. Thing about the cart Im wondering about is exactly what kind of hardware Sega would have packed in there? one of the options circa 1997-8 would have been something from 3DFX, but that wouldn't account for the fact that the Saturn's SH2s would have been a bottleneck at that point.
Yeah, Like I said in the vid, it was needing a roster update and a few new play modes for a home version. Though Technos also could have licensed the engine to whoever had the WCW license for them to use. I would have been happy with that too.
The Sega games and RE2 are the ones that I felt that way for on Saturn as well. I didn't realize SFIII was in 97. I'm sure that one has mostly to do with the DC taking priority already, while Capcom worked on stuff that was further in development for Saturn, SFZ3 and FF Revenge. 2 other notable ones that we knew had a planned Saturn port (questionable if any development actually took place though) were the original GTA, and Metal Gear Solid. MGS2 also made it to pre-production for DC, but no actual development began on hardware either. I have heard for ages about Revenge of Death Adder being the best sequel, but have yet to play it. Sega is so far out of touch with it's arcade roots now. These would make for great compilation volumes to sell in store, or individual digital releases now, all platforms. I think I recall the original excuse for no port of Revenge of Death Adder was because of the suicide battery. We have the rom now, and Sega hasn't shied away from using a content from the internet before! I loved reading about the rumored possibilities of the Saturn port of VF3. Supposably it was finalized and ready for production, but pulled at the last minute so as not to cannibalize the Dreamcast and it's VF3tb conversion. Supposably the Saturn version ran on stock hardware and AM2 was able to achieve the best graphics using the latest libraries pushing 750,000 polygons per second, at 30fps, running in standard resolution (also supposably the footage of Saturn Shenmue we saw could push a solid 1 million polys at 15fps at standard resolution). If any of that were true, even though it likely would have looked pixelated, it still would have been quite a feat to see running with that many polys smoothly on a Saturn with no upgrades. Furthermore, if such a thing were true, they could have filled the DC conversion with extras, and gone for a better than arcade perfect port like Soul Calibur did, to give reason for getting it on Dreamcast. As it was, there was no chance of VF3 coming to the west anyway at that point, so it still would have sold fine outside of Japan, worst case scenario.
I remember hearing Street fighter 3 was planned for the Saturn using an 8mb ram cart and heard that Art of fighting 3 was supposed to be on it aswell. I think KOF 98 should've been ported on the Saturn.
7:05 - Lol, does he have his son dangling his feet off of the back of that monstrosity? And he even dips close to the road service when when he boosts....pretty sure the ex-wife will be getting custody after that.
It could never have looked arcade perfect, but the SS could manage high res characters and more complex 3D environments than just VDP2 planes and layers, as this is basically what we saw in Winter Heat.
Saturn ports of these games would've been towards the end of the console's life. Which means limited runs and these games going to collectors. I did have a chance to buy Panzer Dragoon Saga for a mere $30 once brand new but I chose to buy something else. Sad decision.
Nice video man for me a big skip from sega is virtua striker a soccer arcade game that uses model 2 hardware even in the game itself you can see sega saturn billboards during games
JUST FYI. ... when doing these SNK vids .. check GOG .. all SNK games you mention on here are all on GOG .. including Shock troopers ..that twinkle star shooter is there too .. they had a sale on SNK titles there like a year or 2 ago and they had a bundle with a crap ton of SNK games
@@SegaLordX yayayay i didnt think about that before why we never never seen emulation on saturn console !!! is it so hard to do it i hop arcade mame emulator on saturn wooow it well be awesome man at list mame let saturn fan enjoying having there lovly console big hi from moroccain berber to all sega fans
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Great video! I would definitely like a part 2!
Personally, I would include Tomb Raider 2, as well as FF7 and MGS (if these two were ever really seriously considered for Saturn ports).
VERY GOOD WORK.
And i wish( like the others ) more parts :D.
See you and have nice days ;)
These games would have saved the Saturn
This is why emulation is important. It's not just people stealing games. It's saving games that would be lost to history.
Jeremy Seal Agreed there brother
Without emulation many Sega games would be completely lost.
I totally agree
Also trying games out before buying them (if they had a physical release)
What is there to steal exactly? The original publisher isnt making money anymore for most of the old games. You are just filling the pockets of after market sellers. Émulation is amazing and wrongfully frowned upon. I have backed up complète romsets of most consoles from 80s and 90s myself. I only collect for the saturn now. In fact i built myself a sick classic console using retropie that plays 23 différent systems with tons of roms.
Really appreciate the shout out brother! Great content as ever, and for me SF3, Shenmue, and RE2 are the games I so wanted to see happen back then.
You are a credit to the community my friend. :)
I haven't watched the video yet but am pretty sure that Golden Axe 2 - The Revenge Of Death Adder is going to be featured, that game was screaming out for a home port and being the 2D powerhouse that it was the Saturn would have been the ideal candidate for a near arcade perfect port.
Agreed on all points.
You just made me purchase a copy of Night Slashers lol.
It's a good game. Hope you enjoy it.
Yeah it's going on my wish list when I get home so I can buy it later when I've got spare cash. I've spent too much on Saturn stuff lately...
Yeah I was thinking about buying some these on the Switch now.
I would definitely be interested in part 2 of games that never got release or the Sega Saturn.
For me: Star Wars Arcade. They were idiots for releasing it to the 32X instead. A Saturn port would have been more faithful and played more smoothly.
Agreed. That game would have been killer on the Saturn. They could have added a texture mapped mode to spruce up the presentation too.
@@SegaLordX Agreed, though I would have settled for just the one original mode doing the arcade game justice. I hate that publishers can't retroactively claim games based on properties they own. We'd have releases of all kinds of stuff if they could. But as it stands Disney owns Star Wars, but Sega owns the code.
I see someone else made this point that Fighters Megamix was likely conceived because they knew the Saturn was not up to doing a respectable port of Virtua Fighter 3, or was meant to fill a gap while they figured out how they could make VF3 happen. The timing of Megamix is consistent with that theory. And it was a great idea as well. I think it's reasonable that they at least considered using some kind of assistance cartridge to try to do VF3, especially since the RAM carts worked out for the 2D fighters and considering how versatile that cartridge port was in theory. Same with Saturn running Street Fighter 3. The only thing standing in the way of the system doing SF3 would be memory. It would all come down to whether the cart slot had any practical limitations on how much memory could be used and how much memory would be reasonably affordable.
Golden Axe Revenge was one of many games lost to that transition period from about 1991-1994 give or take. These were games that were far too advanced for the 16-bit home systems, but came out far too early so they were already several years old by the time the Saturn and PS1 were available and could do them justice. And tastes were changing so that many of those games and genres were not in such demand as they may have been in 1992. In addition to Golden Axe, Sega's Spider-Man arcade game was another. The same thing happened with some Toaplan shooters like Dogyuun and Truxton 2. Somehow, the Genesis managed to run a playable version of Grind Stormer, but it wasn't the prettiest thing out there. That game running on the Genesis was a bit of a miracle. But there were a lot of games like those that had what we'd consider to be 32-bit-style graphics that were just out too early which worked against them getting ports, unfortunately. That seemed to be a factor in deciding on games to port. Only super-popular games like Out Run seemed to get ports if such games were more than a couple of years old.
Great video as usual and a wonderful selection of games. I agree with all of it except for the games like Cool Riders that I just haven't ever played. But I have played a lot of AVP and others. Great stuff!
Nice SSG plug, dude! 🖒
Great to see the support between the channels 😁
I would have loved to see these games on the Saturn, especially Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder and Alien vs Predator.
These would have indeed been perfect additions for Saturn owners 🤔
Sam deserves so much more support. I hope I can give him some.
Your ideas and choices for content are original and fantastic. Thank you for making this.
Happy to hear you enjoyed it. :)
This came in my recommendations, you have earned a sub.
Loved to see Real Bout Fatal Fury 2 on this video as it was my favorite of the franchise outside of Garou. If it had come to the Saturn I would have definitely imported it but as fate would turn out many years later I got to pick up the actual MVS cart for my Neo Geo instead, seems we think alike on that aspect ;)
As you already know, the Punisher would have been perfect.
It truly would have.
The Punisher is my favorite beat em up of all time. I would have killed for it to be on Saturn.
I asked this over a year ago, so it's time: does the method yet exist where the Saturn community can actually produce a repro-style Punisher that is playable?
Mega Drive version wasn't bad.
The Return of Death Adder would have been amazing on the Saturn. I've always thought as well that it was a wasted opportunity.
Great video BTW
It was the kind of game that Sega could have leaned on to give Saturn its own identity. Saturn was never going to "win" with the Playstation having the 3rd party support it had, and the massive list of exclusive games, so Sega needed to carve out its own niche, not follow in the same footsteps as its competitors.
I would've loved a port of Wolfenstein 3D. Perhaps the 3DO version or maybe a complilation of Wolfenstein 3D with Spear of Destiny and a load of unlockables.
Oh man, night slashers is amazing. I missed this one back in the day but I bought it Day one last year on the Switch!!
Both Shock Troopers
Wrestlefest
Alien Storm
Altered Beast
Golden Axe
Golden Axe Revenge of Death Adder
Shinobi
Street Fighter 3 (with ram cart bigger than 4 mb)
Marvel vs Capcom
Punisher
both TMNT games
X-Men
Sunset Riders
Vendetta
Captain America
Arabian Fight
Spider-Man
Segasonic The Hedgehog
SNK arcade games before the Neogeo
Really wanted to see each of these arcade games on saturn even if some couldn't have been 100% perfect ports to the system. I also would have liked to have seen a Streets of Rage collection on the system or even a graphical remake of the games.
Also really wanted to see Fantastic Night Dreams Cotton on the system since it got Cotton 2 and Boomerang but sadly it never happened. it could have been a direct arcade version too since the game is on sega's system 16B board while all other home versions of it were altered versions.
Cotton 1 would have been a great addition. Imagine the TMNT games in a compilation pack back then!
I remember when there was talks of Street fighter III being released on Saturn. I probably would have got one back in the day if that happened.
Sega NEEDS to release a Sega Arcade Collection that has some of the titles that never came home. It'd sell like gangbusters on Switch. But unfortunately it seems that Sega is ashamed of much of its history. Or they lost the source code. I'm looking at you, Panzer Dragoon Saga.
Awesome video as usual and the shout out for Sam with a sample of his video cut in was a lovely touch.
Always have enjoyed Sam's work. Any help I can send his way is worth the effort.
I love my Saturn.. I only have 23 games now as I sold many, but I do have the ones I loved the most.. Looking to expand again with some of the amazing games I have seen on your channel.. What a bummer none of these made it to the system.. Saturn was ideal for all of these!
Along with Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder and Alien vs. Predator were a treasure trove of beat-em-ups locked to arcades forever, including The Punisher, Violent Storm, Cadillacs and Dinosaurs, Warriors of Fate, and others. It's a damn shame because these games are still to this day some of the finest in the genre.
Well at least we got some Virtua Fighter 3 moves in Fighters Megamix... ; )
What i was REALLY looking for, was Art of Fighting 2/3 for Saturn!
I'm actually shocked that Art of Fighting 3 didn't make it. It was released in 1996 and would have fallen in perfectly with many of the Neo Geo ports.
Think it would be interesting to see if the Saturn would have gotten the original Guilty Gear game since it was only released on the PlayStation.
In the Saturn's high rez mode. Could have been cool.
Excellent list! It is strange that Shock Troopers was not ported to the Saturn, but other Saurus titles for the Neo Geo like Stakes Winner, Stakes Winner 2, & Ragnagard were.
Agreed. Shock Troopers was such a good fit for the Saturn since it didn't have a ton of those kinds of games.
Makes sense tho. Japan was the only viable platform for the Saturn by '97 and weird horse racing games sell better there than actioney shooting games.
It's strange that Shock Troopers didn't get a home version on any platform for many years.
Alien Odyssey from Martin Piper : Alien Odyssey. Yes I was working on the Saturn port alongside porting MAD video compression to the Saturn from the PC.
MAD Video (Martin and Dave Video) compression was something a colleague and I had cooked up in out spare time while sharing a flat. It started life on the Archimedes and then ported to the PC at which point we sold the technology to Argument. It produced better visual results than AVC used on Creature Shock. This was in the day when typical home PCs couldn't decode MPEG in realtime so that's why other video compression systems existed in software.
Anyway, it was about 50% complete when the plug was pulled. Don't recall why exactly. I was moved onto BRender projects at the time. This was when Argonaut was working with SGI to produce Firewalker which was a games development suite. Now that is a piece of gaming history and a whole story in itself.
Dude, mad props bringing up night slashers. I agree it is extremely unknown and underrated. I found it through emulation years ago, glad to find out it finally has a official release.
Yeah, hopefully the modern releases and remakes get people to understand how special it was back then. Good stuff.
I was surprised we didn't see Golden Axe. I do remember you mentioning it in another video
Fighters Megamix was a good alternative to Virtua Fighter 3
It really blew me away back in the days
I think the entire reason we got Fighters Megamix was because Sega knew VF3 was likely a no go.
Shenmue,
Resident Evil 2,Sonic Xtreme(maybe the system savior),Final Doom,Sega Rally 2,Streets of Rage 4,C&C Red Alert.Great video as always man.
Streets of Rage 4. Still can't believe Sega abandoned that franchise.
@@SegaLordX Sega abandoned many awesome franchises like streets of rage,shinobi,golden axe.Also titles like Eternal Champions,Ristar,Vectorman could have been remade in a way that have made an earthquake to the gaming industry.
I wish wing war got a port on the saturn, even if the graphics in the saturn port are weak as the 32x version of virtua fighter, I'd still play it
I think the poor feedback Sega got from the flat shaded polygons of Virtua Fighter outside of Japan really scared them away from doing more Model 1 games on Saturn. It's why we never got Virtua Racing from them, or a port of Star Wars Arcade on Saturn.
First arcade games I ever saw, street fighter 2, the Simpsons, and that wrestling game
Yeah the Golden Axe would have been phenomenal on the S back in the day! Hell I would gladly take an online version today! Great Vid Man.
It's just got to come to the Switch's Sega Ages line. If Sega skips it yet again, I'm rioting.
Great list. Not getting Alien vs Predator and the Golden Axe Revenge of Death Adder game were the biggest missed opportunities I feel.
Real Bout 2 is my single favorite fighting game of all time. It's in my top 10 of all games. I owned the AES cartridge, the NeoCD disc, and the Battle Archives for PS2.
Yup. Mark of the Wolves gets the lions share of FF attention, but Real Bout 2 is right up there.
Wrestlefest ! What a game ! I remember completing this at the local arcade near my high school with just 40 pence. A classic game !
I remember getting so close to beating the Royal Rumble mode on just 25 cents a number of times. I always got low on energy with a guy or two left and all my moves would get reversed. It was all over from there.
Loved shocked troopers. Game is so great. You can pick your own paths.
Yup, You could even pick different characters for each path.
@@SegaLordX that game is no joke when you are playing it by yourself. I always liked the fast characters even though they did less damage. I've always been about speed.
The 90s just had some of the best games ever made and biggest leaps in gaming and will always be the golden age of gaming for me.
I would of loved if Capcom released Rival Schools to the saturn and the first Darkstalkers game. It only got a ps1 port.
At least Saturn got Night Warriors and Vampire Savior. 2 really good games.
Night Warriors has a hidden menu which can basically turn the game into the first Darkstalkers.
There was a UK magazine back then that updated their review of the game and bumped up the score due to finding out about this menu.
Night Slasher looks soooo cool!
The lack of Revenge of Death=Adder really kills me. But, like you, I've been banging the drum for a SEGA AGES version on Switch. Seems like the perfect time.
The best. The Switch audience would eat it up.
Capcom's punisher for sure. I still have my wrestlefest pcb. Such a great game. Shock troopers didnt even get an aes release.!
My favorite Virtua Fighter games are:
1. Virtua Fighter Remix.
2. Virtua Fighter 2 (Saturn port).
3. Virtua Fighter 3: Team Battle.
4. Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution.
And 5. Virtua Fighter 5: Final Showdown.
Some of those arcade isometric rally games woulda been cool. World Rally 1 & 2, Neo Drift Out & Blomby Car
Neo Drift Out! :)
Thanks for the tip on Night Slashers
One game I would add to this list is Denjin Makai and it's jawdroppingly incredible sequel Guardians. The latter being one of the best beat 'em ups ever made. Ever.
The gameplay of that always reminded me of Streets of Rage 2.
Kizuna Encounter (with 4 controllers), KoF 98 (without loading), Marvel vs Capcom and a action/adventure Sonic game
Alien vs. Predator is my favorite beat 'em up of all time. It would have been so smooth on the Saturn. We really should have got a lot of beat 'em ups on this system. Too bad this is the generation where they kind of died out.
My big want for Saturn was Powered Gear / Armored Warriors to go along with the amazing port of Cyberbots. Sadly we would have to wait until the PS4/Switch/XBone before seeing a home port.
Oh man you had me at Wrestlefest! Shitty WWF Arcade and In Your House instead. 🤬
Uhg. Neither of those even compared to WrestleFest.
Yup. Those just blew you away the first time you saw them.
I thought that the title of the EP. was alluring, and aiming for, something such as releases like those who were released but could not get for one reason or for another reason, rarity, economy, not in your region, that kind of material, I also expected that there was some games that were the talk of the Town were you lived but you never had the chance for some reason but this was not what expected
I own every Sega Saturn game I want. Always have. It's been my favorite system from day 1.
Yea, I should have understood that long before you informed me O, Saturn my Saturn
Duuuude... you have CRAZY good taste, SLX! WWF Wrestlefest, Night Slashers, Alien vs Predator and The Revenge of Death Adder were games just begging for a Saturn release. And Shock Troopers is one of my favorite games of all time. Perfect run and gun. With all the great SNK releases the JP Saturn got (combined with the 1 MB RAM exp), I think that would have been a great fit for the console. Shame.
Yeah, SNK had a wealth of games that Saturn could have benefited from. Had the system sold more outside of Japan, we may have seen them.
SEGA not porting the likes to Outrunners & Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder are outright criminal.
Here's a bit of trivia about the Alien VS Predator game on the SNES. It came out the year before the arcade game was released.
Saturn was before it's time sega should of held back with the release made a few tweeks, upgrades, signed up exclusives.
We would be most likely be playing these games downloaded on a sega modern day console now
Saturn is awesome a rare treat..
Stellar work as always.
Thanks. :)
I always wanted to see a CPS3 game on the Saturn or a NAOMI. Warzard, JoJos and SF3rd Strike would have been amazing to see or CvS2 and MvC2 would be as well. Especially Warzard since that game is still exclusive to arcade only :(
I wonder why Saturn never got Warzard/Red Earth. Capcom was no stranger to releasing oddball fighters on the system.
I can 100% confirm that the supposed Saturn Virtua Fighter 3 screenshots are just images taken from a bad Model 3 emulator.
? You mean early Supermodel emulator build? The current builds are nigh on arcade perfect.
I have a lot of these games on my phone. Sega has a treasure trove of arcade games most however ended up on dreamcast.
It's episodes like this, that really make hard (or more difficult at the very least) to be a passionate Sega fan, so many missed opportunities, so much neglect, poor decisions, it sucks. I'm referring to Sega as a company. Death Adder and other MD era Sega owned IP never being ported to me is a sign that Sega never wanted anything to do with its most successful console, the Genesis, while going forward with Saturn as you implied in your excellent "Why Saturn Failed" video, and that to me, is crazily absurd.
Sega Super GT is a game I wanted so badly on the Saturn
By the time the Saturn came out in America, most of the wrestlers in WrestleFest had already left the WWF at the time, especially Hulk Hogan. So if a WrestleFest port were to happen, they'd have to completely update the roster with guys like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Razor Ramon, Diesel, Undertaker, etc.
At least there was WrestleMania: The Arcade Game.
That was pretty common in ports. WWF Royal Rumble for the SNES has different wrestlers than WWF Royal Rumble for the Genesis for example.
Nive mention on alien vs predator game. I wanted that on the 32x!!!
Great work segalordx
There's now an opportunity for hombrewers to bring some of these to the system now that the Saturn's code's finally been figured out
We still need Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder on Switch, and we need it now!
I wish Red Earth had gotten a Saturn port at least, and Last Blade too.
Awesome video!
AVP not coming home hurt me bad. We had a machine at our local mall pumped a bunch quarters into it.
We actually still have one at my arcade. It's beat up, but playable.
@@SegaLordX awesome I actually bought one of those Chinese made Pandora box s units. It has like 900 ole school arcade games on it like Simpsons arcade, Tmnt, etc. and luckily AVP. Unfortunately no super scaler games, but for the price you cant beat it. They have some built into arcade sticks that have hdmi and others you can slide into Jama arcade machines. Speaking of I gotta check it for golden axe revenge of death adder.
Martin Piper (Argonaut) talking about Alien games:A Sega Saturn version of Alien Resurrection was being worked on, as far as I recall no Dreamcast version.
The Saturn version failed when the programmer was found to be wasting time by trying to hand code everything as one huge assembly file. It failed to progress beyond a technical demo, not a surprise really
Try to make a part 3, with games like Kof 98 and 99, Art of Fighting 3, Double Dragon (1995), Samurai Shodown 2/ Collection (1+2), Jojo´s Bizarre adventure, Red Earth and Guilty Gear... and Games I Really Wanted for the Sega Dreamcast ...my choices: Virtua Fighter 4, Kof 2003 , ToeJam & Earl III: Mission to Earth, Shinobi (2002).
Night Slashers got pulled from the Switch Online store in the UK.
Mine was Marvel vs Capcom,so close! if it wasn’t for the Dreamcast.Great list.
They really should have given the US the RAM carts. I get the attitude of Sega add-on fever but those things were amazing. Games that use them look like even with the extra RAM they still shouldn't be able to play on the Saturn. Such an amazing console that was just unloved in the US.
Did you know there was a planned english release of Policenauts for the Sega Saturn?
I did. I'm really glad the team that translated it got it finally done.
You have great videos and content. Wanted to ask you a question. If I used a Saturn RAM cartridge on a USA Street Fighter game that used the RAM cart in Japan, would it still add the extra frames is animation to the USA version? Thanks.
To my knowledge, there is only one game released outside of Japan that used the RAM cartridges for Saturn. That's Marvel Super Heroes and its compatibility with the 1MB RAM cart. You can play the game without it, but you get more frames using it. Few of the Capcom Street Fighter games even used the RAM carts. Pocket Fighter, Street Fighter Zero 3 and the VS games being the only ones. Everything else that used them from Capcom(Vampire Savior, Cyberbots, D&D Collection, etc) was Japan only. Games like Street Fighter The Movie, Street Fighter Zero 1 and 2, and Street Fighter Collection, did not use the RAM carts.
@@SegaLordX I have Vampire Savior and Cyberbots. I was just curious if the American versions of the Japanese games that used the cart could take benefit of it too.
Great video again. Would be intrigued to see you do a favourite Saturn vs Ps1 multi platform comparison video (unless you've done it already and I missed it 🤔)
Funny you should say that, it's coming.
Funny I remember WWF SUPERSTARS being released on the AMIGA or COMMODORE or something like that tho
I loved night slashers!
Saturn ports might've saved me a lot of money I've since spent on arcade pcbs. Wrestlefest wasn't too pricey, but I spent a good amount of cash to get a good working GI Joe, and Saturn could've done that one. Punisher, Ninja Baseball Batman, Shock Troopers 2nd Squad, and dozens more definitey were more expensive to get and ship boards for than Saturn discs would've cost.
Getting PCB's and MVS carts back then was really hit and miss in the area I was in. A few amusement companies had torn up machines they'd junk and have boards for, but it was rarely anything of note. It wasn't until ebay and internet showed up full bore than those things were easy to get.
Great list of wishes!
Always had that kind of feeling for sega like.. LoveHate.. started with Megadrive... soi got the Megacd.... they didn't support the mega cd like they should, trying to create better version of megadrive games or at least exclusive games (i don't even consider the tons of FMV like games at all)... when the 32x come out, i thought could be a good idea to buy one... i'm glad i didn't because sega did not support it with quality games.... so i wait to get me a saturn.. loved it... wanted a new street of rage....a new eternal champions... a new sonic... and tons of arcades 2d games... the amazing spiderman... asterix... karate blazers... AvP, the last golden axe, and so much more games which would perfectly fit in the saturn collection... so they were never released.. and plus the console was almost killed by sega itself creating and launching the dreamcast... so stopped to create any content for saturn really early... so it was so disrespectful against their own customers .. that's why i stopped to buy consoles. Other than that... sony was going on creating games and letting to the SW house to keep going on producing new sw for the playstation one... if i don't remember wrong until 2000 and few years...
Loved the tons of great games i got... the unforgettable releases and the fun i had with sega consoles... but i hate the way they treated the customers... the way we were abandoned every time sega suddenly focused on a new project...They finally failed as Company because they failed their customers more than once...
Sega made a ton of infuriating calls during its console run. Sometimes you just wanted to scream.
I'm surprised that Alien vs Predator didn't get released on the Capcom Beat em Up bundle.
License probably. Cost more than its worth to obtain.
It would had been great if The Last Blade, The Last Blade 2 and Garou MOTW were released on SEGA Saturn.
Alien vs Predator was released on the Atari Jaguar, as far as I know, a great game along with Jaguar's Doom....
You're thinking of the FPS. It's the Capcom beat 'em up Sega Lord is talking about.
@@thefroyukenfiles3641 true, that was my 1st thought & forgot to check it out b4 commentin', thnx a lot, mate!
Those VF3 screenshots were actually from an old model 3 emulator that was still in its early stages, hence the odd look . Personally I think that had Sega ported VF3 to the Saturn , even the masters at AM2 would probably have ended up with a game that wasn't that much better looking than Dead Or Alive. It may well be that due to the stage elevation, it would have been harder to use the VDP2 for the floor, which of course would have hurt performance even more. It may well be why Sega decided not to put any more effort into it given the state of things by 1998/9
It may well be that SF3 wasn't ported to the Saturn exactly because it would have needed some extensive reworking, while the engine it used for its previous CPS2 games, could be used with SFZ3. On a personal level ,I would have liked to see Marvel Vs Capcom on the Saturn. It was a CPS2 game after all .
I think the VF3 conversation becomes infinitely more interesting when you consider the existence of a cartridge accelerator. Just how much more it could have added is truly interesting.
SF3 was almost a pure money decision I feel. Capcom likely would have needed a larger RAM cart, and since it didn't already exist, every copy of SF3 sold would have needed it. The return on that, coupled with a disappearing NA and EU market, led them to pass on the idea to the DC.
@UCT5qzgZ-Ta_5VRX5oiw1KpQ SFA2 on the SNES also used additional hardware in the cart to get that, and it was a pretty cut down port.
Not saying Capcom couldn't have pulled it off , heck , the monetary incentive led them to do a half decent version of MvsC and SFZ3 on the PS1, so they certainly could, but the work involved would have been too much given the situation
@@SegaLordX Ive personally heard mixed things about that cart, including that it was more of a project at Sega America than at the Japanese branch.
Thing about the cart Im wondering about is exactly what kind of hardware Sega would have packed in there? one of the options circa 1997-8 would have been something from 3DFX, but that wouldn't account for the fact that the Saturn's SH2s would have been a bottleneck at that point.
No way WWF Superstars would have been released during the Saturn era because most of those guys were in WCW at that time.
Yeah, Like I said in the vid, it was needing a roster update and a few new play modes for a home version. Though Technos also could have licensed the engine to whoever had the WCW license for them to use. I would have been happy with that too.
I liked shocktroopers so much I brought the MVS version. Still have to get a MVS to play it on though.
I admire the dedication. 1 slot MVS boards actually aren't expensive, nor are the Superguns to use them.
The Sega games and RE2 are the ones that I felt that way for on Saturn as well. I didn't realize SFIII was in 97. I'm sure that one has mostly to do with the DC taking priority already, while Capcom worked on stuff that was further in development for Saturn, SFZ3 and FF Revenge. 2 other notable ones that we knew had a planned Saturn port (questionable if any development actually took place though) were the original GTA, and Metal Gear Solid. MGS2 also made it to pre-production for DC, but no actual development began on hardware either. I have heard for ages about Revenge of Death Adder being the best sequel, but have yet to play it. Sega is so far out of touch with it's arcade roots now. These would make for great compilation volumes to sell in store, or individual digital releases now, all platforms. I think I recall the original excuse for no port of Revenge of Death Adder was because of the suicide battery. We have the rom now, and Sega hasn't shied away from using a content from the internet before!
I loved reading about the rumored possibilities of the Saturn port of VF3. Supposably it was finalized and ready for production, but pulled at the last minute so as not to cannibalize the Dreamcast and it's VF3tb conversion. Supposably the Saturn version ran on stock hardware and AM2 was able to achieve the best graphics using the latest libraries pushing 750,000 polygons per second, at 30fps, running in standard resolution (also supposably the footage of Saturn Shenmue we saw could push a solid 1 million polys at 15fps at standard resolution). If any of that were true, even though it likely would have looked pixelated, it still would have been quite a feat to see running with that many polys smoothly on a Saturn with no upgrades. Furthermore, if such a thing were true, they could have filled the DC conversion with extras, and gone for a better than arcade perfect port like Soul Calibur did, to give reason for getting it on Dreamcast. As it was, there was no chance of VF3 coming to the west anyway at that point, so it still would have sold fine outside of Japan, worst case scenario.
I remember hearing Street fighter 3 was planned for the Saturn using an 8mb ram cart and heard that Art of fighting 3 was supposed to be on it aswell. I think KOF 98 should've been ported on the Saturn.
I remember reading something about a bigger RAM cart for SF3 as well. Gamefan maybe.
7:05 - Lol, does he have his son dangling his feet off of the back of that monstrosity? And he even dips close to the road service when when he boosts....pretty sure the ex-wife will be getting custody after that.
Revenge of Death Adder is still a sore spot for me as well. Golden Axe the Duel doesnt make up for it either.
Not even remotely.
I remember a game called Red Earth that I was hoping to be on the Saturn unfortunately never did!
From Capcom. I remember it.
Vf2 graphics on the saturn were far from arcade perfect. It's a good thing they didn't try to bring out vf3 on the system.
It could never have looked arcade perfect, but the SS could manage high res characters and more complex 3D environments than just VDP2 planes and layers, as this is basically what we saw in Winter Heat.
As a NES kid I could not comprehend the awesomeness of Wrestlefest.
Hell, as a Genesis and SNES kid, nor could I. That game was so far ahead of the puny wrestling games of the time.
Yeah it's too bad we missed out on all these classics, so many great games potentially could have made it to the saturn
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Saturn ports of these games would've been towards the end of the console's life. Which means limited runs and these games going to collectors. I did have a chance to buy Panzer Dragoon Saga for a mere $30 once brand new but I chose to buy something else. Sad decision.
Nice video man for me a big skip from sega is virtua striker a soccer arcade game that uses model 2 hardware even in the game itself you can see sega saturn billboards during games
Saturn did some great soccer games, so I think it could have done Virtua Striker justice.
Great video as ever mate
Thank you good sir. :)
JUST FYI. ... when doing these SNK vids .. check GOG .. all SNK games you mention on here are all on GOG .. including Shock troopers ..that twinkle star shooter is there too .. they had a sale on SNK titles there like a year or 2 ago and they had a bundle with a crap ton of SNK games
heavy episode segalordx thank you i wish some programmers make like those games on saturn this days
That'd be awesome if we got some new blood making Saturn homebrew releases. Saturn fans would eat them up.
@@SegaLordX i hope so segalordx that it well be solution to do hombrews on saturn on the futur for shur
@@SegaLordX yayayay i didnt think about that before why we never never seen emulation on saturn console !!! is it so hard to do it i hop arcade mame emulator on saturn wooow it well be awesome man at list mame let saturn fan enjoying having there lovly console
big hi from moroccain berber to all sega fans
I have one particular title that would have been a pleasure: Battle Circuit by CAPCOM.
Yup. Another good choice.