All I know for sure is Shadow Lugia’s design, even though it’s just a color swap with some “sharp points” added is freaking awesome, and I would love to see it brought back
Did you fill your entire Purification Chamber with Hoppip? I settled for using Pokémon that already existed in the game, so it never occurred to me to use a bunch of Pokémon who were effective against themselves.
@@WriterKing92I mean Hoppip already exists in XD as well, but it'd take so much more effort to catch 36 Hoppip than it would be to just try out the Pokemon you already have.
I literally did the same thing with hoppip lol. I remember I had friends asking me how I did this & I loved every minute of having Lugia in my Gen 3 games
I never really thought about questioning how Shadow Lugia worked TILL this video was in my RUclips recommended. Great video and this was some interesting stuff.
Thanks! I just want a space to talk about the stupid things I try out/discover in the games I play. I'm glad so many people were interested in this topic, cause I wasn't sure how well this was gonna do lol.
@@SaltedNeos you're appealing to the minority crowd like me that stays up at night thinking about the (non-essential) hard hitting topics lmao thank you by the way!
I remember trying to purify Shadow Lugia back in 2010 and struggling so much because I didn't know what to do until I just messed around enough and figured it out. Gale of Darkness is still one of my favorite Pokemon games of all time and I can only hope that one day The Pokemon Company references it in someway once more.
You forgot to test the Daycare, which also lowers the heart gauge as you walk, albeit at an increased rate. Seeing as normal walking failed to do anything to Shadow Lugia, the Daycare method would likely also fail.
Normal walking was also the only method that worked on Lugia. Besides, even then, considering its replaced by the purify chamber, which didn't work on Lugia, I'm fairly certain even if it did still exist, it wouldn't have worked.
@SaltedNeos They removed it???? Never would have guessed. Still, very cool dissertation of a mechanic most people will never see because you have your chamber maxed out like halfway in.
@@lordlouie3550 Realistically no one was using the daycare (the price was ridiculous) so I think it was the right call. I'm not entirely sure if Purify Chamber just replaced Daycare on the Nature chart from Colo, but if yes, removing Daycare meant they didn't need to rebalance all the purification mechanics again to have a 6th method. (Even though, as you said, most people wouldn't bother with any of the others cause the Chamber is OP, unless you're a weirdo like me who just doesn't allow himself to use it in some playthroughs)
@SaltedNeos Daycare can be a godsend in Colosseum on rare occasions. Pokemon with natures that like it drop their gauges much faster than with anything else. On a recent 100% run, I put Hitmontop there when I got it, and by the time I cleared Mt. Battle and got Entei in the story, it was already 90% empty. Costed 7000 to withdraw, but that's not so bad when considering that sprays cost 1200 a pop and usually don't give you nearly the same return on investment. Having finally played XD though I agree it's gonna be hard going back to not having the chamber and spending an extra 15 hours purifying stuff in a game I already beat.
If it's anything like colosseum 1 i'd just empty the heart gague and keep it shadowed forever. The loss of 1 move and exp are worth the cool factor of the white eye thingies. Shadow lugia is just too pretty.
I was gonna point out that shiny Lugia predates shadow Lugia, but then I remembered that they went out of their way to change shiny Charizard from purple to black, so there really is no excuse
@@GloomdrakeThe era where they redesigned shinies still predates Shadow Lugia, since XD was the last generation 3 Pokemon game. They only did that to a major extent jumping from gen 2 to 3, and most likely not even by choice, the colour palettes were probably different between the gameboy and gameboy advance games to such an extent that they couldn't get all the same shiny designs. They typically just picked a color palette that didn't look glitchy when they made shiny sprites before XY.
@@SaltedNeos3D shinies before XY were also a crapshoot. A lot of Pokémon clearly just had their entire texturemap hues changed instead of properly recolored, leading to Voltorb being really blue even on top, but Electrode being properly half-and-half. The most egregious I think is most Deoxys forms are like, an off-orange, except default form for some reason, which is properly yellow. Like how does that even happen. Also cucumber Digglet
@@SaltedNeosoh, my point was they were kind of arbitrarily doing it then but there was never a pattern or real reason to it, so it'd have been odd to be like "yes actually the shiny form now references this specific spinoff for some reason"
All I know for sure is Shadow Lugia’s design, even though it’s just a color swap with some “sharp points” added is freaking awesome, and I would love to see it brought back
Fun fact, it was made by mangaka Hiromoto SIN-ichi.
@@jensvide777not quite, Hiromoto conceptualized it but the final design was by James Turner
@@bongjovi4928 fuckin love that guy
In 2025 you will see it in legends.
To this day, I still think about the purification chamber when I see hoppip. I just hatched a bunch of them to purify shadow lugia.
Did you fill your entire Purification Chamber with Hoppip? I settled for using Pokémon that already existed in the game, so it never occurred to me to use a bunch of Pokémon who were effective against themselves.
@@WriterKing92I mean Hoppip already exists in XD as well, but it'd take so much more effort to catch 36 Hoppip than it would be to just try out the Pokemon you already have.
@@WriterKing92 Yup. I just hatched a bunch of them in the GBA games to max the chamber out without having to think about it. 😂
I literally did the same thing with hoppip lol. I remember I had friends asking me how I did this & I loved every minute of having Lugia in my Gen 3 games
I hate how this mon is stuck in XD not even made an appearance in pogo where shadow pokemon are a thing
Really was a weird call in Go to not make Apex Shadow Lugia use this design.
This version was renamed dark Lugia if I remember correctly. I wish they would've used it in go. It would have been so much more interesting.
@@delta5287 It's called Dark Lugia in Japanese too, and Shadow Pokémon are called Dark Pokémon. Team Cipher is called Team Shadow.
I wouldn't want in in just GO because it would be stuck there too
I never really thought about questioning how Shadow Lugia worked TILL this video was in my RUclips recommended. Great video and this was some interesting stuff.
Same 😂
Shadow lugia needs to be some sort of special shiny that you can get, it would be great for nostalgia.
I kinda like the GameCube footage. More authentic to how it was back in the day on a dim crt screen.
I haven't played XD in well over a decade now, but hell yeah ill watch this video on shadow Lugia's strange purification traits!
Cool vid! It's interesting that all the unique aspects of Shadow Lugia are mechanically split between "Lugia traits" and "XD001 traits". Great find!
damn. i was just randomly thinking about shadow lugia lately and here's a new video conveniently in my suggestions. crazy how that happens sometimes
A small channel that's asking the hard questions nobody thinks about nor will even care for that matter...
Take my sub! 😂
Thanks! I just want a space to talk about the stupid things I try out/discover in the games I play. I'm glad so many people were interested in this topic, cause I wasn't sure how well this was gonna do lol.
@@SaltedNeos you're appealing to the minority crowd like me that stays up at night thinking about the (non-essential) hard hitting topics lmao
thank you by the way!
I remember trying to purify Shadow Lugia back in 2010 and struggling so much because I didn't know what to do until I just messed around enough and figured it out. Gale of Darkness is still one of my favorite Pokemon games of all time and I can only hope that one day The Pokemon Company references it in someway once more.
You forgot to test the Daycare, which also lowers the heart gauge as you walk, albeit at an increased rate. Seeing as normal walking failed to do anything to Shadow Lugia, the Daycare method would likely also fail.
I didn't forget, that method was replaced by the purify chamber in XD, she doesn't accept Shadow Pokemon in XD.
Normal walking was also the only method that worked on Lugia. Besides, even then, considering its replaced by the purify chamber, which didn't work on Lugia, I'm fairly certain even if it did still exist, it wouldn't have worked.
@SaltedNeos They removed it???? Never would have guessed. Still, very cool dissertation of a mechanic most people will never see because you have your chamber maxed out like halfway in.
@@lordlouie3550 Realistically no one was using the daycare (the price was ridiculous) so I think it was the right call. I'm not entirely sure if Purify Chamber just replaced Daycare on the Nature chart from Colo, but if yes, removing Daycare meant they didn't need to rebalance all the purification mechanics again to have a 6th method. (Even though, as you said, most people wouldn't bother with any of the others cause the Chamber is OP, unless you're a weirdo like me who just doesn't allow himself to use it in some playthroughs)
@SaltedNeos Daycare can be a godsend in Colosseum on rare occasions. Pokemon with natures that like it drop their gauges much faster than with anything else. On a recent 100% run, I put Hitmontop there when I got it, and by the time I cleared Mt. Battle and got Entei in the story, it was already 90% empty. Costed 7000 to withdraw, but that's not so bad when considering that sprays cost 1200 a pop and usually don't give you nearly the same return on investment.
Having finally played XD though I agree it's gonna be hard going back to not having the chamber and spending an extra 15 hours purifying stuff in a game I already beat.
This was really cool! Thanks for documenting and sharing
Electabuzz gettin down to the background music at 4:57
Remember when this game tricked you into thinking Lugia was supposed to be a wallbreaking special attacker?
Anyway.
Shadow Blast is Physical though.
This was really interesting, great video 🎉🎉🎉
If it's anything like colosseum 1 i'd just empty the heart gague and keep it shadowed forever. The loss of 1 move and exp are worth the cool factor of the white eye thingies. Shadow lugia is just too pretty.
I'm sorry what? I am genuinely more confused every time I reread this comment to try and figure out how to respond.
30 hundred algorithm check
I’ve never played a Game like this so, maybe if they make another one or remake these then I could finally play one
Its unfortunate that scalpers and RUclipsrs overhyping these two games made their price point unreasonably high.
Overhyped? More like underhyped also just use an emulator@@SaltedNeos
Avast! Matey! Sail the high seas, go on a swashbuckling adventure!
@@mups4016also probably play a rom hack lol
Isnt shadow lugia a whole new form? Not jus a shadow lugia like in GO wit a different aura.
Cool video, you should look at the code of the game, might be interesting
I do datamine some spin offs actually, but I'm not very good at dealing with code. I'm more of a find things in the files kind of guy.
Hi, when will this be released in Canada? Great video!
What?
@@Nickbronline its an inside joke lol.
Any chance you could reveal the Action Replay Randomizer code??
Just use a modern randomizer, that AR code is insanely glitchy aside from this. One of the shadow Pokemon I got purified to a blank move slot
Shiny Lugia should have been its shadow lugia color pallet
I was gonna point out that shiny Lugia predates shadow Lugia, but then I remembered that they went out of their way to change shiny Charizard from purple to black, so there really is no excuse
@@GloomdrakeThe era where they redesigned shinies still predates Shadow Lugia, since XD was the last generation 3 Pokemon game. They only did that to a major extent jumping from gen 2 to 3, and most likely not even by choice, the colour palettes were probably different between the gameboy and gameboy advance games to such an extent that they couldn't get all the same shiny designs. They typically just picked a color palette that didn't look glitchy when they made shiny sprites before XY.
@@SaltedNeos3D shinies before XY were also a crapshoot. A lot of Pokémon clearly just had their entire texturemap hues changed instead of properly recolored, leading to Voltorb being really blue even on top, but Electrode being properly half-and-half. The most egregious I think is most Deoxys forms are like, an off-orange, except default form for some reason, which is properly yellow. Like how does that even happen.
Also cucumber Digglet
@@NAFEDUDE Again, you're right, but why would they change shiny Lugia in XD to be confusing with the Shadow? Colo/XD/Battle Revolution share shinies.
@@SaltedNeosoh, my point was they were kind of arbitrarily doing it then but there was never a pattern or real reason to it, so it'd have been odd to be like "yes actually the shiny form now references this specific spinoff for some reason"
When does this game come out?👀
October 5th, 2005
@@SaltedNeos Nice one!
It's a very old game for the gamecube. Very fun, if you ever get a chance, I recommend playing it or pokemon colosseum ❤