@@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem Honestly as a main of lightning id rather have them gone from arcane, they would inevitably over centralize the meta i think, why use more thoughtful magic when you can remove your enemies rights to even avoid your attacks at an admittedly VERY small cost to damage, the stuns were short, yes, but this game is very fast, and it only takes a single micromistake before youre absolutely screwed
When will vetex take a moment to just actually play his game normally and realise how incredibly buggy, poorly optimised and unbalanced it is? Also I will tear my skin off if we don’t get a search option for inventory and inventory optimisations so that each icon isn’t a 3d object
Yeah the way the game's balancing is handled right now is just a complete mess. I know Vetex isn't focused on making Arcane Odyssey a "competitive fighting game" but there should be a point where people don't feel obligated to change their builds every update just to chase a meta that's gonna get completely changed the next update anyway.
Idc about balancing in terms of pvp, as long as it’s useable for pve it’s good. However, thermo fist isn’t even viable to fight against lvl 90 npcs cause of how bad it is (and it’s my favourite fighting style)
After talking to balance team members (because they are at their wits end and just telling people how the back end works at this point) it seems like there are two issues: 1. Vetex does not listen to the balance team. AT ALL. Like, they will advise him on basic shit and he ignores them. And we might be heading into a spam meta because they proposed updates to intensity and vetex was like NAHHH WE ADDING COOLDOWN REDUCTION FUCK INTENSITY LOOOOLLLL 2. I recently found out the testers ONLY test pve. They don’t brother to test pvp, or at least only a small number of testers bother to. -once again, this comes from members of the balance team themselves who have slowly stopped giving a shit lmao
How the fuck they only test PVE and they nerfed Thermo? For me is either you lying you supposedly interviewed one of them, or they do not shit of what they're doing.
@@pixy7593 vetex does still push some changes from time to time. It was clear as day after a while that thermo was pretty fucking broken, and I can confirm as a user of thermo myself. Thermo became a hyper meta pick in PvP because it was simply statistically superior to every other fystyle. It may have had negative size, but it had .875x damage (+ 35% burn) and 1.3x speed. This has led to the balance team pushing for it to be nerfed patch after patch after patch. That’s insanely fucking strong. The fact thermo can’t start the fight charged now gives thermo a weak opening period for players to capitalize and “get ahead” before the thermo starts steamrolling until the balance team can successfully find a way to balance an fstyle with such ludicrously high stats. (As the heat maintenance style wouldn’t really be worth it otherwise…) Anyways, I’ve mainly talked to metapoly (who I’m pretty sure is on hiatus now so don’t bother him), raptorcaptain (also hard to get a hold of, I know him through clans), and J565. J565 is pretty much retired atm but he’s still involved to a decent degree behind the scenes and is the easiest guy to get a hold of, if you are interested in asking them any questions about what is going on. When metapoly’s back, if you have any deeper questions that haven’t already been answered then you can ping him with those. He should be willing to respond unless it’s shortsighted or poorly thought out.
i feel like instead of removing stun they should add a stun prevent stat that applies when your stunned and it last for 10-15 seconds so half your health isnt gone in like 4 moves
What’s crazy is that was actually in the game. Getting stunned preventer you from getting stunned again for 10 seconds but apparently people still cried over that because of ice warlock
All magics are the same! No fun in conjurer Warlocks are broken Shadow and crystal are OP Synergies and status effects are nothing Triasta is ground breaking NPC rivals are too strong Every update gets a new meta build and every one just changes to it.
@@samanyupalthihow the hell is warlock broken, so many fighting styles got a nerf, the new armor poercing and meta builds carey the classes. The classes themselves arent worth anything
@@karaltar7914 yes but there is a team that decides balancing in terms of magics,weapons, armors etc. Vetex just adds changes to the balance doc into the game. Him being a solo dev is in the context of him being the only one allowed to script the game. He has other people work on map structures, armor and weapon designs,etc. and one person helping him with story development.
I'm currently playing a thermofist boxing juggernaut with 0 agility (122 vitality 150 strength). I have 62 power, 620 defense, 16 atkspeed, 132 regen, and 237 resistance. Because nobody is running armor piercing, i'm just borderline unkillable which is made even funnier when I bring ironskin potions into the mix (if its in the special occasion of somebody randomly hunting me.) Maybe i've just fought bad players, but I've actually been doing pretty alright in terms of fighting. I've mainly fought warriors and warlocks though, so i'll have to see whats up with mage dueling. Still, I think the balancing is out of the window this update: but it doesn't stop my build from being so unfathomably fucked that I was able to (with ironskin 3 + recovery 4) hold G, type into chat "hey man just try to kill me, im gonna go grab a glass of water", successfully grab a glass of water, come back, and realize that they hadn't even been able to keep me under max HP because of how much I was healing + resisting. The reactions are priceless.
Juggernaut is kinda goated, i run an iron leg one with like 2.4k hp and 45% resistance and while the fights are long i usually never get to less than 1k hp
Not only thermo was nerfed beyond any nerf but it also got in a position where only berserker could use it so any warlock/warlord does worse. Literally as warlock if i just spam magic, i overperform if i use both fs and magic or fs only.
arcane odyssey meta starter pack: warlock: always use iron and heavy magic, you can hurt people with the air!!! mage: shadow and attack speed, just use shadow, everything else sucks warrior: waste your whole social life trying to get the warrior sunken set and sunken staff other classes doesnt exist
I have hopes that maybe just maybe vetex might bring it back a little? I mean, come on. You can't have a fighting style that requires 100 str points be this terrible
had a couple of fights with a iron leg 300 atk size warlord today. Dealt 250 dmg minimum (doesn't include the x2 bleed dot) with his lion's halberd striking gale weapon move. His striking gales hit me even though I was an entire sailboat's distance away from it. (we both were at 50 ping) Striking gale has a 3 second cooldown btw so fighting the warlord was totally fun and enjoyable. Somehow he had 2000 hp (without focus) and about 60 power without any insanity. atk size/ ileg aoe (normal and imbue affinity) nerf when?
Ileg Warlord main here. I run 93 atk size and my attacks are still atrociously big with lions halberd. Dense does so much for weapons. I kinda hate that no other enchant except tempered on a few select weapons is viable.
@@stereotypic_asian I think other enchants just don’t give enough buffs to actually mean anything also halberd+ileg AoE is just insane without enchants
1:00 why are so many people mad at pvp switch? 💀 Are people mad that they won't be able to gank underleveled or not players for 342 rep? Just don't make it spammable aka extremely high cooldown and complicated to switch (goofy confirmations), outside combat, and only for certain player-kills-to-hour ratios Ao pvp will never die anyways It might make the player count go up a little as many people quit because of pvp toxicity
I'll have the nice day but I find myself in a difficult conflict here... does this mean armor piercing is a good thing? -does it actually pierce blocking?
No offense, I understand the point as I try and am a competitive player, yet there is lots of nick picking currently. First of all, weapons are being add each with their only specialties will result in power balance, a team with limit staff who are dealing with problems like bugs means poor balance is expected. However, this doesn't mean to be an excuse as balance recently has been poor as fighting skills got nerf mostly and magic dramatically buffed, I argue the game is much more healthy than before. Reducing agility and dodge reflexes has made the game more skill-reliant as I feel more punished for my moves. Notable buff to weapons, but I stand to argue the only really fighting class kinda struggling are them, and boxing with just a small change would be fine. The dodge reflex Nerf overall improves fighting and warrior styles class, but I agree on the topic where the berserker is difficult since magic is much stronger. Also, the new stats being pointless is unfair. Regen honestly instead horrible, kinda mid honestly but has potential for fast att spd build. Resilience is my new PVP build, needs work but shows huge possibility with weapons combinations. Lastly, armor piercing is right as I use a small amount of piercing on different build ranges from high to low which honestly increases my damage.
had a decent 70 hour playthrough, did pvp and theorycrafting on my warlock, seeing the changes in nimbus update made dropped the game a few days after completing nimbus story, i will play again once vetex picks up the slack and actually drops a good balance update
all this is really just cos ppl r in a constant race for meta sweating over numbers and minmaxxing rather than enjoying the game. arcane adventures pvp felt so much better bc the lack of class specialisation/equality between magics/same movesets meant everyone was on a more level playing field n most things felt viable (besides impact fist being crazy op but we’re not gonna talk abt that… we had fun) i think what vetex needs 2 do instead of playing this constant balancing act game with ao is try n make the pvp less incentivising to crazy meta races and stat build minmaxxing. get things on a more level playing field like in aa. but i’m not sure how that’s gonna happen without ruining the cool hybrid class system + customisation that makes things so interesting in the first place, it’s tough
as someone whos been playing vetex's games since 2016 id rather play the broken and unpieced together version of AA right before it was shutdown than play this disaster of a reskinned game on top of the balance team who do everything in their power to make unnecessary changes to put the game in a worse state than it was before
Wrong, 100% wrong, nerfing things over and over never fixes anything, Vetex needs to competely rethink how balancing is done, and find new testers as the current ones seem to only care about PvP.
@@xanthiusdrake2775why should the team dedicated to balance between player builds care more about the aspect of the game where you don't fight other player builds
@@Q_ari Because it effects the entire game, if you "balance" things while only thinking about how it effects PvP, it will only further damage the game, as they will forget that it effects PvE as well. This isn't something I am just pulling out of thin air to stir drama, this is a real thing, far to many games and their communites have rotted away from the same mistake Vetex and his team have been making.
@@Q_ari Okay you literally just shot yourself inthe foot BIG time, any time you try to change something for PvP, you need to consider how it will effect PvE as well, you can't just go around changing things for the sake of something that only makes up a small percentage of the gameplay. You need to open your eyes dude, your current mindset is not a healthy one for the playerbase, not everyone is into PvP, never asume that kind of case, it is unhealthy, and toxic, and makes you look like your putting yourself on a pedestal above PvE players. This is why people look at PvP communities with distain, because of how they are unwilling to consider how these kinds of things effect others as well. And clearly Vetex has hired people on his team who are also to PvP focused to consider the general playerbase.
No it makes a big difference even at like 100. Cus like 25% while holding an attack is Really nice. You do more damage by holding down the attack and they do less damage to you.
Honestly I like when things are unbalanced and I don't even use unbalanced things it can lead to some funny things but I agree with people and the dev team that it shouldn't be keep has it will get quite stale after a while.
I love berserker idk if it got nerfed I love and I have for ages like what did boxing do boxing is funny and I love it but then they nerf it why????? Mage is so op
The new update im nimbus sea is really boring and out right not giving people good lvls like thinking they might expanded to lvl 150 to 200 but we got pranked again. As you know that i abandon being a savant and switch to warrior the problem with the build between warrior and mages and warlocks are really damn broken and was never balance. Like mages and warlocks are still overpower like getting to a lot of damage and has more varieties of arsonal to escape. Whlie warriors are still bit powerful but had at disadvantage against both mages and warlocks like the aoe in mages and warlock are damn bad. Like really balance are still bad at situation also pluging and tp tracking is just bad due to people doing fame hunt or outright creepy tracking people. Edit: this is me just took a break for few days.
Man, Thermo is already Good Enough as a Plasma Thermo i can say proud Thermo isn't weak at all, the dmg is really good + the seared effect is applied in the moment you reached 50% of the heat (same for scorch effect) + you gain heat extremlly fast, just play aggresive and you will get almost full heat in like 4-5 skills used
the problem is at.size ngl going up against insanely large attack size users with earth is hard to deal with because of their dumb frame dropping attack and u could prob lag so hard that it makes u an easy target and i agree plasma thermo is rn op because of status effect combined with intensity u can make an insane powerhouse tho u will be glass cannon with no defense thats why i rn hate mage users just for this single reason
@@hyoga4939 You don't need Intensity for Plasma Thermo. Plasma imbue decrease the dmg of Thermo Fist but if you can get a right Build and practice aim, the synergy and doing combos will give you the victory agains the opponent
vetex j incompetent if he wouldve listened to bteam and not aired them, as well as giving them access to TU to actually test their changes and see if theyre positive things wouldve been better also not hidden clash rates from the bteam Also direct them to do things instead of expecting them to know what to do without guidance
Maybe vetex rather than giving access to the actual TU maybe should give access to a balance version of elysium, where they can test the balance changes there
@@Sonic44885 maybe but they also I assume have no unlimited stat resets so if they get reports that a build is broken they have to make a new save and regrind to test it
FINALLY PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING THE COST TO EFFICIENCY RATIO THAT IS AP, THE MOST USELESS STAT IN THE GAME. Oh, so they will do more dmg to me if I block? Ok I just wont block anymore and will be able to be even more aggressive as I'll take slightly less dmg from not blocking anyways!! Also 270 power 9 drawback got nerfed so hard it's not even WORTH considering as a meme build as it's just not gonna win any fights unless ur fighting a non so basically my 2 month grind for my silly 700 dmg build is invalidated since all the changes made basically any combination of the metas able to reach eitehr near dmg through raw output OR reaching my dmg through dps...
Someone more educated please answer, but was conj op or sumn last update? Why nerf? God I hope my shadow conj doesn't get nerfed, it feels like the only viable conj magic rn 😭
@@GrooveAtlas365 I agree the balance is managed poorly, but that's because of vetexs schedule of patches, changes often have to wait ages to go through so there's often a large backlog of changes which result in huge changes at once which just make the bteams job more difficult.
@@Q_ari I understand, they should make an update focused on polishing the combat system, balancing and finishing the munera garden storyline, calling it the fighters update or something like that.
I'm kinda pissed that this game has gone down a shithole, It's so poorly optimised that I can't even play the game anymore without my pc nearly crashing and the fact every update we gotta change the meta is so sad.
You can't nicely skate tho from what I've heard Your T jump and leap doesnt recharge anymore when you step on platform made from ice/magma magic hitting the sea
I just deeply hate how annoying it is to play Warlock or Berserk against PVE content, and they keep making it worse. Grabs almost never works on NPCs, meanwhile their grabs straight up magnet to you. Hitboxes on ships feels janky af and if you do not have a ton of AOE, the chance you will miss is big. I truly do not know what has been happening with balance of this game for a while, and nerfing Thermo again proved me they do not know jackshit of how is to balance the game.
tbf combat on all moving objects in roblox is fucking messy as shit. the unfortunate thing with npcs is they have functional aimlock and perfect understanding of hitboxes because of it.
@@Q_ari Perfectly, I understand that as I've been playing Roblox for a while and I spot the limitations. The issue tho is that apparently no one on the developing side of the game is taking those into account, if they're not able to fix it, why NPCs can still grab you? Can't tell how many times I've got canceled from a spell or attack. Like, it feels someetimes Vetex is not accounting that he is developing a game inside Roblox a bunch of times, and simply ignore a bunch of inherent issues with the platform.
@@HamBurger-qh7lb yeah that's all well and good for the first time you play it but the story and boss battles stop being fun a lot quicker than the pvp
@@Begebuk6t if you gon cry about getting random killed when you lose nothing, run a crutch build if you have renown and are crying about people hunting you, uninstall roblox
cool idea: ADD A STUPID SWITCH FOR DISABLE OR ENABLE PVP, BUT IT WILL PREVENT OF YOU GAIN BOUNTY/FAME (if you disable it you need to pay for disable or enable and it resets your current reputation)
Regardless if your a tester or a liar, Vetex and the team need to stop using the method of nerfing things back and forth, it will never break metas or balance the game, it will only make matters worse, making the community hyper-toxic with metas. The best advice to give, is look up the content creator Pirate Software, go to the shorts page, and look for the short on breaking metas, I hate shorts but this is a case of watching it being worth the trouble.
@@Chowman741 I beat several players by blocking with a shield until they are too exhausted to dodge. Blocking is not gonna kill you, in fact it could probably win you the game if you use it excessively. Players jump around needlessly to dodge you regardless of if you’re attacking or not. Sitting still and blocking unironically puts you at a massive advantage 10 seconds later.
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testers:
-remove the gimmick that made certain magics unique
-gut 2 of the most used fighting styles
-nerf mobility
-buff size
-"nerf" attack speed
FR
Tbh stuns shouldn't have been removed but definitely needed a nerf cause stun builds were irritating af
@@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem Honestly as a main of lightning id rather have them gone from arcane, they would inevitably over centralize the meta i think, why use more thoughtful magic when you can remove your enemies rights to even avoid your attacks at an admittedly VERY small cost to damage, the stuns were short, yes, but this game is very fast, and it only takes a single micromistake before youre absolutely screwed
Vetex should do this alone
And yet the testers get mad at you when you point their flaws 😭
testers be useless we just gotta get used to it
600 damage dealing crystal warlock with 1.7k hp in this update is crazy
thats me!
Iron leg upright deals 300 dam without dam boost
Thats fine now since armor piercing exists and we can bring the fight right back to them. The main issue are the warriors with sparrow thrust.
@@kiryukazuma7960 I agree sparrow thrust is the only where it's unavoidable and giving the warrior more advantage also whirlwind is on the list also.
bruh that just 1.12 ironleg crystal warlock
When will vetex take a moment to just actually play his game normally and realise how incredibly buggy, poorly optimised and unbalanced it is? Also I will tear my skin off if we don’t get a search option for inventory and inventory optimisations so that each icon isn’t a 3d object
vetex is king of 'interesting' game design
He should play the game without using cataclysm for once on an alt account,just to see.
I love how the answer for inventory being a laggy mess was bloating the system with 300 sets and new items.
Yeah the way the game's balancing is handled right now is just a complete mess. I know Vetex isn't focused on making Arcane Odyssey a "competitive fighting game" but there should be a point where people don't feel obligated to change their builds every update just to chase a meta that's gonna get completely changed the next update anyway.
Like the only people that change their build are the people that chase meta
I think you would really like deepwoken
@@Sleepy_Neranot
Idc about balancing in terms of pvp, as long as it’s useable for pve it’s good. However, thermo fist isn’t even viable to fight against lvl 90 npcs cause of how bad it is (and it’s my favourite fighting style)
But the thing is, if AO isn’t supposed to be a competitive fighting game why can’t you turn off pvp?
After talking to balance team members (because they are at their wits end and just telling people how the back end works at this point) it seems like there are two issues:
1. Vetex does not listen to the balance team. AT ALL. Like, they will advise him on basic shit and he ignores them. And we might be heading into a spam meta because they proposed updates to intensity and vetex was like NAHHH WE ADDING COOLDOWN REDUCTION FUCK INTENSITY LOOOOLLLL
2. I recently found out the testers ONLY test pve. They don’t brother to test pvp, or at least only a small number of testers bother to.
-once again, this comes from members of the balance team themselves who have slowly stopped giving a shit lmao
Liking and commenting to get this higher in the comment section
same
balance team when they need balance
How the fuck they only test PVE and they nerfed Thermo?
For me is either you lying you supposedly interviewed one of them, or they do not shit of what they're doing.
@@pixy7593 vetex does still push some changes from time to time. It was clear as day after a while that thermo was pretty fucking broken, and I can confirm as a user of thermo myself. Thermo became a hyper meta pick in PvP because it was simply statistically superior to every other fystyle. It may have had negative size, but it had .875x damage (+ 35% burn) and 1.3x speed. This has led to the balance team pushing for it to be nerfed patch after patch after patch.
That’s insanely fucking strong.
The fact thermo can’t start the fight charged now gives thermo a weak opening period for players to capitalize and “get ahead” before the thermo starts steamrolling until the balance team can successfully find a way to balance an fstyle with such ludicrously high stats. (As the heat maintenance style wouldn’t really be worth it otherwise…)
Anyways, I’ve mainly talked to metapoly (who I’m pretty sure is on hiatus now so don’t bother him), raptorcaptain (also hard to get a hold of, I know him through clans), and J565. J565 is pretty much retired atm but he’s still involved to a decent degree behind the scenes and is the easiest guy to get a hold of, if you are interested in asking them any questions about what is going on.
When metapoly’s back, if you have any deeper questions that haven’t already been answered then you can ping him with those. He should be willing to respond unless it’s shortsighted or poorly thought out.
2:27 yoo i love this new ao update guns are so realistic now!
😭😭
vetex finally added clan building 🙀🙀
We have seen how overpowered the drill shape and mage builds can be, so we have decided to nerf thermo fist again.
drill is bugged and is 33% larger than intended
warriors are more op with their elephant sized aoe and massive damage
i feel like instead of removing stun they should add a stun prevent stat that applies when your stunned and it last for 10-15 seconds so half your health isnt gone in like 4 moves
What’s crazy is that was actually in the game. Getting stunned preventer you from getting stunned again for 10 seconds but apparently people still cried over that because of ice warlock
This game is literally covered in band aid fixes. If vetex wants people to stick around for the cool endgame he gotta actually fix bugs
All magics are the same!
No fun in conjurer
Warlocks are broken
Shadow and crystal are OP
Synergies and status effects are nothing
Triasta is ground breaking
NPC rivals are too strong
Every update gets a new meta build and every one just changes to it.
Most people will stick around because they don't care for the pvp anyway.
@@samanyupalthihow the hell is warlock broken, so many fighting styles got a nerf, the new armor poercing and meta builds carey the classes. The classes themselves arent worth anything
@@samanyupalthi you forgot about berserker being 6 ft under
@@helix276 it’s not just PvP I have died countless times to bugs in the dark sea
is it really the balance team being braindead or is it vetex forgetting to add balance changes or adding his own dumb balance changes?
both
mostly the balance team i think since vet said he doesnt really touch balancing and just goes along with the doc
@@cassiovieira2939no its vet not adding over half the balance changes
He didnt nerf speed scaling so speed is still good you just need more of it
@@Volcanic_Emperor your sentence made no sense
360 dmg crystal warlock with 2.8k hp is so balanced
Just like the good ol' days
Armor piercing, you cant even make an excuse about high hp users
@@kiryukazuma7960 i have over 100 armor piercing, shit doesn't do much at all.
@@TheFiniteOne boosting one stat to an absurd level won't do anything, you need a balanced stat allocation
@@kiryukazuma7960 yeah but the fact that it doesn't do anything beside reducing a damage reduce on block is crazy,why would anyone build this stat
please fire the entire balance team…
There is no balancing team…
@@karaltar7914is this a joke?
@@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem I’m pretty sure I heard somewhere that Vetex is a solo dev
@@karaltar7914 yes but there is a team that decides balancing in terms of magics,weapons, armors etc. Vetex just adds changes to the balance doc into the game. Him being a solo dev is in the context of him being the only one allowed to script the game. He has other people work on map structures, armor and weapon designs,etc. and one person helping him with story development.
@@Ether_Liner_Ado_Edem ah
I'm currently playing a thermofist boxing juggernaut with 0 agility (122 vitality 150 strength).
I have 62 power, 620 defense, 16 atkspeed, 132 regen, and 237 resistance.
Because nobody is running armor piercing, i'm just borderline unkillable which is made even funnier when I bring ironskin potions into the mix (if its in the special occasion of somebody randomly hunting me.)
Maybe i've just fought bad players, but I've actually been doing pretty alright in terms of fighting. I've mainly fought warriors and warlocks though, so i'll have to see whats up with mage dueling.
Still, I think the balancing is out of the window this update: but it doesn't stop my build from being so unfathomably fucked that I was able to (with ironskin 3 + recovery 4) hold G, type into chat "hey man just try to kill me, im gonna go grab a glass of water", successfully grab a glass of water, come back, and realize that they hadn't even been able to keep me under max HP because of how much I was healing + resisting.
The reactions are priceless.
Juggernaut is kinda goated, i run an iron leg one with like 2.4k hp and 45% resistance and while the fights are long i usually never get to less than 1k hp
Not only thermo was nerfed beyond any nerf but it also got in a position where only berserker could use it so any warlock/warlord does worse. Literally as warlock if i just spam magic, i overperform if i use both fs and magic or fs only.
the game was more balanced back when pulsar was op then it is right now
i miss metal mage era
Unironically, fucking hell.
arcane odyssey meta starter pack:
warlock: always use iron and heavy magic, you can hurt people with the air!!!
mage: shadow and attack speed, just use shadow, everything else sucks
warrior: waste your whole social life trying to get the warrior sunken set and sunken staff
other classes doesnt exist
When we are getting mad at solo indie devs times are grim indeed
Being a solo indie dev is not an excuse for refusing to make your game more fair and balanced instead of flat out ignoring your entire fanbase
@@Electrobolt913 indeed.
To me it's odd how lightning mage sparked in popularity even though the stun was removed (replaced by slowness)
lightning is OP
@@Q_ari fr, and imo it was from the beginning
Still odd that the high popularity happened just now, lol
Every time I go into nimbus I feel like I’m stepping into a warzone
Its wild how they removed KO's, yet another nerf to rushdown which is broken for the past few months already.
Wasn’t vetex going to reduce fighting move level requirements by 30? That seems to have never happened.
he's vetoed that change I believe
I hope someday Thermo comes back maybe just a little 😭🙏
We all wish for that brother
This update made Thermo fist literally unplayable with it taking two minutes and twenty seconds to get to full heat
Like step not giving any heat or m1 give even less heat makes Thermo feels D to F tier.
thermo is 6 feet under forever 😢
I have hopes that maybe just maybe vetex might bring it back a little? I mean, come on. You can't have a fighting style that requires 100 str points be this terrible
its still the best fighting style on zerker
You can quite easily avoid sparrow thrust by just being infront of the warrior player. But the cooldown on it should be almost double imo.
You can just avoid getting hit by not getting hit!
the max power build is dealing 2300 dmg with surge even tho there is drawback it is still so op u just hve to 1 tap
had a couple of fights with a iron leg 300 atk size warlord today. Dealt 250 dmg minimum (doesn't include the x2 bleed dot) with his lion's halberd striking gale weapon move. His striking gales hit me even though I was an entire sailboat's distance away from it. (we both were at 50 ping) Striking gale has a 3 second cooldown btw so fighting the warlord was totally fun and enjoyable. Somehow he had 2000 hp (without focus) and about 60 power without any insanity.
atk size/ ileg aoe (normal and imbue affinity) nerf when?
i fought this commodore at munera he was an ileg warlord too, i was a boxinglord with 0 size and managed to get him to orange (he ran away lol)
Ileg Warlord main here. I run 93 atk size and my attacks are still atrociously big with lions halberd. Dense does so much for weapons. I kinda hate that no other enchant except tempered on a few select weapons is viable.
@@stereotypic_asian I think other enchants just don’t give enough buffs to actually mean anything
also halberd+ileg AoE is just insane without enchants
1:00 why are so many people mad at pvp switch? 💀
Are people mad that they won't be able to gank underleveled or not players for 342 rep?
Just don't make it spammable aka extremely high cooldown and complicated to switch (goofy confirmations), outside combat, and only for certain player-kills-to-hour ratios
Ao pvp will never die anyways
It might make the player count go up a little as many people quit because of pvp toxicity
I'll have the nice day but I find myself in a difficult conflict here...
does this mean armor piercing is a good thing?
-does it actually pierce blocking?
it's kinda mid outside of blocking targets
No offense, I understand the point as I try and am a competitive player, yet there is lots of nick picking currently.
First of all, weapons are being add each with their only specialties will result in power balance, a team with limit staff who are dealing with problems like bugs means poor balance is expected. However, this doesn't mean to be an excuse as balance recently has been poor as fighting skills got nerf mostly and magic dramatically buffed, I argue the game is much more healthy than before.
Reducing agility and dodge reflexes has made the game more skill-reliant as I feel more punished for my moves. Notable buff to weapons, but I stand to argue the only really fighting class kinda struggling are them, and boxing with just a small change would be fine. The dodge reflex Nerf overall improves fighting and warrior styles class, but I agree on the topic where the berserker is difficult since magic is much stronger.
Also, the new stats being pointless is unfair. Regen honestly instead horrible, kinda mid honestly but has potential for fast att spd build. Resilience is my new PVP build, needs work but shows huge possibility with weapons combinations. Lastly, armor piercing is right as I use a small amount of piercing on different build ranges from high to low which honestly increases my damage.
had a decent 70 hour playthrough, did pvp and theorycrafting on my warlock, seeing the changes in nimbus update made dropped the game a few days after completing nimbus story, i will play again once vetex picks up the slack and actually drops a good balance update
all this is really just cos ppl r in a constant race for meta sweating over numbers and minmaxxing rather than enjoying the game.
arcane adventures pvp felt so much better bc the lack of class specialisation/equality between magics/same movesets meant everyone was on a more level playing field n most things felt viable (besides impact fist being crazy op but we’re not gonna talk abt that… we had fun)
i think what vetex needs 2 do instead of playing this constant balancing act game with ao is try n make the pvp less incentivising to crazy meta races and stat build minmaxxing. get things on a more level playing field like in aa. but i’m not sure how that’s gonna happen without ruining the cool hybrid class system + customisation that makes things so interesting in the first place, it’s tough
as someone whos been playing vetex's games since 2016 id rather play the broken and unpieced together version of AA right before it was shutdown than play this disaster of a reskinned game on top of the balance team who do everything in their power to make unnecessary changes to put the game in a worse state than it was before
I swear after Ds and this update I would say that 1.13 was the most balanced time of all
And i yet can't beat my level 260 savant rival with thermo fist + spear user and crystal magic
Sisyphus Fist seems to get nerfed again
Wrong, 100% wrong, nerfing things over and over never fixes anything, Vetex needs to competely rethink how balancing is done, and find new testers as the current ones seem to only care about PvP.
@@xanthiusdrake2775why should the team dedicated to balance between player builds care more about the aspect of the game where you don't fight other player builds
@@Q_ari Because it effects the entire game, if you "balance" things while only thinking about how it effects PvP, it will only further damage the game, as they will forget that it effects PvE as well. This isn't something I am just pulling out of thin air to stir drama, this is a real thing, far to many games and their communites have rotted away from the same mistake Vetex and his team have been making.
@@xanthiusdrake2775 vro pve doesn't matter
@@Q_ari Okay you literally just shot yourself inthe foot BIG time, any time you try to change something for PvP, you need to consider how it will effect PvE as well, you can't just go around changing things for the sake of something that only makes up a small percentage of the gameplay. You need to open your eyes dude, your current mindset is not a healthy one for the playerbase, not everyone is into PvP, never asume that kind of case, it is unhealthy, and toxic, and makes you look like your putting yourself on a pedestal above PvE players.
This is why people look at PvP communities with distain, because of how they are unwilling to consider how these kinds of things effect others as well. And clearly Vetex has hired people on his team who are also to PvP focused to consider the general playerbase.
I love seeing them nerf resistance when it does absolutely nothing when you're not running the max amount
No it makes a big difference even at like 100. Cus like 25% while holding an attack is Really nice. You do more damage by holding down the attack and they do less damage to you.
Honestly I like when things are unbalanced and I don't even use unbalanced things it can lead to some funny things but I agree with people and the dev team that it shouldn't be keep has it will get quite stale after a while.
As a light conj I can confirm im outclassed regularly ✨️ but option B- powerful Naruto speeches trying to turn the villian good 😂
Huh, welp, I am still not changing my berserker slot with 1 attack size
I love berserker idk if it got nerfed I love and I have for ages like what did boxing do boxing is funny and I love it but then they nerf it why????? Mage is so op
@@Crystalpeppers01 boxing got hit with the speed nerf. I can tell the difference because I use it as my main
Yes, you don't need to follow the meta, play what build you actually like.
@@Chowman741 yea same
Does vetex have a say in the balance changes or does he just put whatever the balance team decides on?
he has final say but overall not that interested
Well, i'm not changing my 202 attack speed lightning conjurer anyways
I’m using 35 intensity because it gives me an extra scorched and I think that’s kinda cool 😎
I’m a light conj with no skill so this doesn’t rly affect me
What do you think are the best weapons for warriors are other than dense sunken sword? Tell me the best enchantment to have on them too
Smth that increases attack size on triasta of bronze
The new update im nimbus sea is really boring and out right not giving people good lvls like thinking they might expanded to lvl 150 to 200 but we got pranked again.
As you know that i abandon being a savant and switch to warrior the problem with the build between warrior and mages and warlocks are really damn broken and was never balance.
Like mages and warlocks are still overpower like getting to a lot of damage and has more varieties of arsonal to escape.
Whlie warriors are still bit powerful but had at disadvantage against both mages and warlocks like the aoe in mages and warlock are damn bad.
Like really balance are still bad at situation also pluging and tp tracking is just bad due to people doing fame hunt or outright creepy tracking people.
Edit: this is me just took a break for few days.
Next lvl cap should be 155 we won't get to 200 or beyond until the end of the nimbus story
Man, Thermo is already Good Enough as a Plasma Thermo i can say proud Thermo isn't weak at all, the dmg is really good + the seared effect is applied in the moment you reached 50% of the heat (same for scorch effect) + you gain heat extremlly fast, just play aggresive and you will get almost full heat in like 4-5 skills used
the problem is at.size ngl going up against insanely large attack size users with earth is hard to deal with because of their dumb frame dropping attack and u could prob lag so hard that it makes u an easy target and i agree plasma thermo is rn op because of status effect combined with intensity u can make an insane powerhouse tho u will be glass cannon with no defense
thats why i rn hate mage users just for this single reason
@@hyoga4939 You don't need Intensity for Plasma Thermo. Plasma imbue decrease the dmg of Thermo Fist but if you can get a right Build and practice aim, the synergy and doing combos will give you the victory agains the opponent
vetex j incompetent if he wouldve listened to bteam and not aired them, as well as giving them access to TU to actually test their changes and see if theyre positive things wouldve been better
also not hidden clash rates from the bteam
Also direct them to do things instead of expecting them to know what to do without guidance
I feel like vetex is j busy with college and stuff and the balance team just sucks
I feel like vetex is j busy with college and stuff and the balance team just sucks
@@hexap3410vetex has never gone to college
Maybe vetex rather than giving access to the actual TU maybe should give access to a balance version of elysium, where they can test the balance changes there
@@Sonic44885 maybe but they also I assume have no unlimited stat resets so if they get reports that a build is broken they have to make a new save and regrind to test it
FINALLY PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING THE COST TO EFFICIENCY RATIO THAT IS AP, THE MOST USELESS STAT IN THE GAME.
Oh, so they will do more dmg to me if I block? Ok I just wont block anymore and will be able to be even more aggressive as I'll take slightly less dmg from not blocking anyways!!
Also 270 power 9 drawback got nerfed so hard it's not even WORTH considering as a meme build as it's just not gonna win any fights unless ur fighting a non so basically my 2 month grind for my silly 700 dmg build is invalidated since all the changes made basically any combination of the metas able to reach eitehr near dmg through raw output OR reaching my dmg through dps...
no you take less damage when you block the effect of blocking is just reduced
270 power 9 drawback builds arent supposed to be viable if ur expecting to instakill people consistently without dying you're just completely lost
Someone more educated please answer, but was conj op or sumn last update? Why nerf?
God I hope my shadow conj doesn't get nerfed, it feels like the only viable conj magic rn 😭
i was ice conj and now the game is unplayable
Shadow conj is boring as hell, plus there are viable options like ice or sand
@@Sleepy_Neranawghjj
Conjurer got a size nerf but it's not unplayable. If you're doing dark sea runs however...yeah good luck with that
its like they want not good builds to suddenly become meta instead of making a balanced game
The world would be a better place if Vertex and testers weren't so undecided and stopped "balancing" already existing stuff every single update.
yknow balance is important so that pvping (yknow, feature that retains players better than any other feature) is fun and fair
@@Q_ari but they should balance new things, not change all of them at all times just because they realized they forgot to change something.
@@Q_ari It makes no sense
@@GrooveAtlas365 I agree the balance is managed poorly, but that's because of vetexs schedule of patches, changes often have to wait ages to go through so there's often a large backlog of changes which result in huge changes at once which just make the bteams job more difficult.
@@Q_ari I understand, they should make an update focused on polishing the combat system, balancing and finishing the munera garden storyline, calling it the fighters update or something like that.
I'm kinda pissed that this game has gone down a shithole, It's so poorly optimised that I can't even play the game anymore without my pc nearly crashing and the fact every update we gotta change the meta is so sad.
so true groomson
EXPLAIN
WHAT DO YOU MEAN
So the mage meta is shadow + any magic with good arcanium?
Shadow glass
@@Volcanic_Emperorye that power on a powerful blasted glass arcsphere is just crazy. Aka 50 power on a single item
i like the ice magic because it looks nice and i can walk on water
You can't nicely skate tho from what I've heard
Your T jump and leap doesnt recharge anymore when you step on platform made from ice/magma magic hitting the sea
...okay,i know this is extreme but...should Vetex fire testers who made certain...decisions
probably tbh
Wait, what fs gear that gives 400 defense?
Probably ironleg.
Give vetex and the balancing team some time to cook
we did, vetex originally said nimbus sea would begin work in may last year
I just deeply hate how annoying it is to play Warlock or Berserk against PVE content, and they keep making it worse.
Grabs almost never works on NPCs, meanwhile their grabs straight up magnet to you. Hitboxes on ships feels janky af and if you do not have a ton of AOE, the chance you will miss is big.
I truly do not know what has been happening with balance of this game for a while, and nerfing Thermo again proved me they do not know jackshit of how is to balance the game.
tbf combat on all moving objects in roblox is fucking messy as shit.
the unfortunate thing with npcs is they have functional aimlock and perfect understanding of hitboxes because of it.
@@Q_ari Perfectly, I understand that as I've been playing Roblox for a while and I spot the limitations.
The issue tho is that apparently no one on the developing side of the game is taking those into account, if they're not able to fix it, why NPCs can still grab you? Can't tell how many times I've got canceled from a spell or attack.
Like, it feels someetimes Vetex is not accounting that he is developing a game inside Roblox a bunch of times, and simply ignore a bunch of inherent issues with the platform.
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Halfway through the video bro just said f it and started throwing Fortnite clips in Fr 🔥
Ah yes I love when 90% of the community of a game about story, boss battles and progression solely focus on PvP
@@HamBurger-qh7lb yeah that's all well and good for the first time you play it but the story and boss battles stop being fun a lot quicker than the pvp
still enjoying life as the worst savant in the game 🙏
bro tried to sneak in fortnite clips
no sneaking about it
And yet vetex refuses to add a no pvp option 🤦
pvp is part of the game
@@Q_ari Gankers rlly ruin the game
Getting hunted down and bushwhacked contributes a lot to the game despite how sucky it appears
getting hunted by a level 136 mage that does 300 damage per move as a level 90 with 500 renown is so fun fr 🗣🔥
@@Begebuk6t if you gon cry about getting random killed when you lose nothing, run a crutch build
if you have renown and are crying about people hunting you, uninstall roblox
ari, actually cooked?
yes I did girly pop
bring back thermo warlord airstall meta 🔥🔥🔥🔥
cool idea: ADD A STUPID SWITCH FOR DISABLE OR ENABLE PVP, BUT IT WILL PREVENT OF YOU GAIN BOUNTY/FAME (if you disable it you need to pay for disable or enable and it resets your current reputation)
and just being neutral doesnt help, its annoying gain reputation from everything
balance team member here we nerfed it because we got killed by someone using it (joke)
Regardless if your a tester or a liar, Vetex and the team need to stop using the method of nerfing things back and forth, it will never break metas or balance the game, it will only make matters worse, making the community hyper-toxic with metas. The best advice to give, is look up the content creator Pirate Software, go to the shorts page, and look for the short on breaking metas, I hate shorts but this is a case of watching it being worth the trouble.
Why is bro actually cracked at fn
💀
Are you a Oggie's VOICE ACTOR from Oggie and thr cockroaches bro 😭😭😭
your words cut deep (idk what that is)
Warlord is so bad in pvp if you use flintflocks or muskets
guns are good wym
@Arisell. they have projectile size of an atom and its difficult to aim cursor right on the person whilst also dodging their attack
your not cooking gun m1s are easy as hell this update
@@Q_ari idk wym
@@Q_aripiercing shot got nerfed :( I used to do 315 now I do 260
they nerfed the dodge reflex and not the warrior HIGH AOE cringe
Warrior aoe wasn't that good until this update. The reflex nerf is what made it cracked cause you can't go 50 ft away anymore
oh no shadow is the problem !
*next update*
*shadow gets thermo'ed*
wow that's pretty interesting! nerf thermo again
Buff metal fr
Wth is the best class right now?
mage
Always been mage
Man this shits gone cuckoo
I've pretty much lost interest to AO
PLASMA MAGE HAHAHAHA
Soy mage players angry cause aoe warlocks on top🗣🔥🦍🇧🇦💪
my double drill begs to differ
the ice sailor watching in horror as a shadow mage spams 57 different skills
block. parry. dodge (dont block)
Blocking kills you. Don't block
@@Chowman741 I beat several players by blocking with a shield until they are too exhausted to dodge. Blocking is not gonna kill you, in fact it could probably win you the game if you use it excessively. Players jump around needlessly to dodge you regardless of if you’re attacking or not. Sitting still and blocking unironically puts you at a massive advantage 10 seconds later.