Avro 533 Manchester | Aircraft Overview
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- Опубликовано: 7 мар 2024
- Today we're looking at the other Avro Manchester - equally as cursed as the one from the second world war.
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Rather ironic that both Avro Manchesters were both lemons.
Can you do a video on the SR-71 pls? RUclips only has 10 million videos on it and I think it needs more.
Absolutely love you videos, would you consider doing the Jetfire at some point? Keep it up Rex!
I have just watched one of Yours videos about torpedo bombers. It was older one so i think commenting there could be useless so i comment here.
Have you ever heard of Soviet style of "torpedo" bombing?
Soviet Black Sea fleet had american Boston B20 bombers, obtained through Iranian branch of Lend-Lease program .
They had interesting tactics of bombing german ships using plain heavy bombs.
It was like this:
Top speed - lowest possible altitude, just over the water, and they dropped bomb near the ship, on the water.
Bomb had jumped 2-3 times and slammed into ship hull, while airplane flies over the top of the ship.
Boston B20 was best for that kind of use, but they used other types of aircrafts too. La-5, IL-2... whatever they had.
Can you do a video on the DO-26 please? It's one of the most beautiful aircraft of all times ( Well, in my opinion that is.)
Ah, British understatement - "flight characteristics mediocre at best". Anyone else - frankly terrifying.
😅
Avro clearly agreed, seeing as they kept the corrected Pike's around to use as testbeds but tossed the 529 in the bin.
Ah yes Avro and the curse of Manchester
Seems to be a running theme
G'day,
Yay Team !
Och..., aye...; truth be told
Olde Bean, the
Avro-504 k was probabubblie the absolute
Pinnacle of British Edwardian
Aeroplanology...
After that, it was
All Downhill
Until coming of
The Lancaster....
The Lancastrian was vile, and the York was still significantly horrible...; while the Lincoln ran out of Fattles to Bight, until Malaya submitted an Imperial Request for Rainforest to be Pattern-Bombed to better intimidate the more rebellious local Native Yokels into submission to "their betters", in the 1960s.
And the Shackleton could outfly most Submarines for as long as it operated under an impenetrable CAP in Airspace free from Aerial Opposition.
The 504 k during the Great Patriotic Existential War of One..., and the Lancaster in the Sequale staged 20, years later ; were the twin Peaks of Avro's Achievement...
Such is life.
Have a good one...
Stay safe,
;-p
Ciao !
I'd watch that VHS video
Like your familure with this example in aircraft history...lol...
Twice they tried, twice they failed!
The RH Dobson who crawled along the top of the Pike's fuselage in flight is better known to history as Sir Roy Dobson, Avro's Managing Director during WW2 and after.
Code name 'Gekko'
Serious "those magnificent men in their flying machines" vibes here
When an aircraft goes from _AVRO_ to _AV-NO._
'Av no what?
Oh, a tail.
"My Mum wouldn't like it Cap'n Mainwaring."
"Shutup, Pike."
When you’re just along as an observer and wind up crawling half the length of the plane’s exterior.
One would think someone would have actually bothered to verify the Center of Gravity before the first test flight. Just imagine the finger pointing afterwards. "I thought you checked the CG! No, I thought YOU checked the CG!"
Only awake one minute this morning, literally. This is a great was to start a day at 0430 hours.
Something you didnt seem to notice with the Pike. The pic of the original Sunbeam Nubian powered machine appears to have counter-rotating props, something the later versions appear to do away with
Funnily enough, the Avro 529 also has counter-rotating props, albeit four-bladed ones. The 529a had two-bladed ones rotating in the same direction. I guess it depends on the engines and perhaps the associated reduction gears driving the actual propellers.
That was well spotted - I missed it completely
1:39 pushers counter rotating. 4:53 4-blade tractor counter rotating, inboard direction; 5:16 counter rotating outbound. As they struggled with longitudinal control, wondering if they were experimenting with prop rotation.
"Have you heard the tale of the Avro Manchester..."
"It's a tale you won't hear from the Jedi...."
Dang it, I thought I was witty with my other comment, but you beat me to the meme.
When BAE systems go through the former RAF titles Typhoon, Tempest etc "I know, we haven't done Manchester in a while, I wonder why?" 😅
Or a Whirlwind ........... which, well, RR Kestrels ... Nah
Which reminds me
Does the RAF must have a thing about wind?
@@Farweasel Westland, and the RAF, did re-use Whirlwind pretty soon after WW2 for a licence-built Sikorsky S55.
@@Farweasel - and another thing - the twin-engined fighter Whirlwind was powered by the RR Peregrine not the Kestrel. The connection between the Peregrine and the second Avro Manchester is that the RR Vulture that powered it was an X24 engine based on two V12 Peregrines joined together.
@@rjs_698 👺 ! Rolls up anorak sleeves ...
*Sir, The Peregrine was the successor to the Kestrel & derived from it*
Whirlwind of different types used BOTH 🙄
@@rjs_698 👺 ! Rolls up anorak sleeves .........
*Sir, Might I just point out that the Peregrine was a successor derived from the Kestrel* (&)
The Whirlwind, in various types, used BOTH 🙄
R.H. Dobson had balls of steel.
Omg I didn’t know about the earlier part of the “Manchester curse”.
It's like a horror story for Avro.
The Fall of the House of Manchester.
To be fair, I think the second Manchester's issues derived mainly from the silly design requirement to be able to fit inside a standard hanger of the time, limiting it's wingspan, and the dodgy RR Vulture engines.
Seems a common thread in British aircraft "failure", the Air Ministry design requirement.
The A.B.C. Dragonfly *was* a very unsuccessful engine. Of the 19 different aircraft it is known to have been used for, only a total of 236 aircraft were ever built. 200 of those were Sopwith Dragons, with the 1A development of the engine installed, and some Nieuport Nighthawks, initially developed with the A.B.C. Dragonflies in mind, were exported to Greece, Sweden and Japan (but only after the replacement of the engine). There were the 485 Armstrong-Whitworth Siskins produced, but those too had the engine switched out during development.
So, leaving aside the Sopwith Dragons (because of the improvements in the 1A version) the original engine ended up being used in an average of 2 aircraft of the other 18 types, which were all prototypes except for the Sopwith Rainbow, That was a racing plane, was scratched before the single race it entered with the Dragonfly engine, Of the three races it was entered into ,it only flew in the third (fitted with a Bristol Jupiter II powerplant) and was then destroyed in a crash less than a month later
As soon as you hear “was designed to fulfil several roles” you know it’s going to be mediocre at best.
Falling asleep to these videos is just amazing
Your vids are superb mate not only for the detail and the enthusiasm that comes thru in your voice which makes them even more watchable and fun but also because you cover all the aircraft that others don't and it's not just a list of the usual suspects. Please keep them coming!!
Looping that aircraft would have required mind boggling courage
Avro Pike? cue dads army jokes hahahaha
Don't tell 'em that
Sad - Ian Lavender left us on February 2nd. RIP.
if i had a Nickle for every time there was a plane named the Manchester, I'd have two Nickels. which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice
Glad to see you posting again 🤙
Forgive the pedantry, dear sir, but at 1:41 you say "a wingspan of 60ft (or 8.2m)", that cannae be right. :P
When AVRO’s first design was rolled out, it had 150 hp engines and I it could have been designated as an ultralight!
But you’d think that after almost 20 years they’d get things right the first time….
It wasn’t until someone decided to add 2 more engines did things work out.
Interesting video
Great video as always.
Cheers
Performing a loop in a big bipane! Open cockpit! Wow! 👍👍
Oh god damn it Avro, you did it again?!
Thanks Rex
Enjoyed this one.
RAF: alr the plane has a good look what did you name it?
Avro: we named it the Manchester! What do you think?...général?
RAF: *gone as they heard the name manchester*
*sounds of screaming and smashing glass as they throw themselves out the nearest window*
Another great video!
Good information! Thanks 👍
Never build an engine designed to run at its natural vibration frequency! Precisely what the Dragonfly did.
When I heard "disastrous tale" I immediately thought of the Tail of the Halifax and all those lives lost owing to rudder stall.
"Dragonfly" yes that's all we need to hear...
"Completely let down by its engine" 😂 yeah, that's usually the result...
9:30 Gee, an engine with great performance promise that ended up shafting (to one degree or another) every aircraft development program in which it was utilized! A distant predecessor to the J40 (and the Vulture, but the Vulture never carried the hopes and dreams of as many aircraft as some others...).
The moment I saw the Dragonfly engine, I knew exactly where this was going.
"Oh! Manchester, So much to answer for".
Don't tell them your name, Avro Pike!
Rex, I am sure we all appreciate your hopes to build up a backlog and all, but you do know making promises like that are just a gift to Chance and Fate to come a-calling with the analagous equivalent of a Dragonfly engine for an Avro Manchester, right? :)
Nice one.
At least it's not a Blackburn...
What a deal.....Thanks Rex's Hangar.....
Old F-4 2 Shoe🇺🇸
I think no aircraft role ever produced less impressive results than the anti-Zeppelin fighter
To be fair, these aircraft are quite appropriate for the city of Manchester.
after watching so many videos, why am I still baffled by how sketchy airplanes looked a good hundred years ago
I had the curse of Manchester once. Some antibiotics cleared it up though.
Thats what you get from naming a plane after that city
I guess Manchesters can't be choosers!
The Avro Nettlebed, the best!
1:41 - No, wrong feet/ metres!
Men were men in those days! Imagine looping one of these things.
I have watched so many of your videos that I'm starting to believe that you might start running out of material soon. I haven't actually gone back and looked at your playlist but I would be interested to know if you have done the Wright flier or any Zeppelin's.
Interesting that the glazed bombardiers position is very similar to the Armstrong Whitworth Whitley
The Manchester was mad fer it
I believe that is 18.2 meters for wingspan.
How about a history of drones? They have been around a while. You might understandably want to stay with manned aircraft.
Such a shame. They were nice looking planes.
I know many aircraft could be quite similar looking back then. However this Manchester looks very much like a re-engined DH10?
0:36 tbf they were named after manchester. i wouldn't wish that fate on my worst enemy.
Manchester, so much to answer for
Ah yes, Nubian! We have lots of that!
please more
But it work then
Alliot Roe was from Manchester and the factory i s in the district of Woodford in Manchester.
Woodford didn't open until 1924 and was only a final assembly and flight test facility. The main manufacturing site before the Chadderton site opened in 1939 was at Newton Heath, not too far from where Manchester City's stadium now is. Flight testing in the Manchester area prior to Woodford opening was done at Alexandra Park.
Woodford is not in Manchester. The main factory was in Chadderton, Manchester. The final assembly hangar was at Woodford, Cheshire and also the Flight Sheds and Experimental Hangar at the other side of the Airfield. I was an Avro Apprentice until 1970. Sadly, the airfield no longer exists, as it is now a large housing estate, although there is a heritage museum, including an early Vulcan in anti-flash white scheme.
Avvvroooooaaaaneson
You've heard about the disastrous tale of the Avro Manchester, but have heard of the tale of Plageous the Wise?
Darth Plagueis the Wise.
If they'd just named it for Salford instead of Manchester they'd have neve had such problems 😋
A.V. Roe's house (birthplace) still stands on the corner of Green Lane and the A57 Liverpool Road in Patricroft. Salford Council claim AV Roe as a son of the city but Salford as a city wasn't created until 1926 and Patricroft wasn't incorporated in to it until local govt reorganisation in 1974. I think the Council still own the building, but it is in a declining unoccupied state and no blue plaque or anything. Wouldn't be suprised if in the coming years they let it get burnt down or decline to such a state thry can legally demolish it. Very sad.
@@mikedowd2094 Ah BUT
Salford was the original 'big town' for the area when Manchester was two cottages & a shared outhouse.
Possibly plus a Goat.
Is the city of Manchester cursed, too?
The Dragonfly engine! Leave it up to the British to keep using a shit engine in their planes...
Except, they didn't, there were a lot of aircraft "planned" to use it but when it turned out to be a dud they were dropped. Granville Bradshaw was a far better salesman than an engineer. He managed to convince the War Dept to make the ABC the standard aircraft engine for the UK before one had been built. After the war he was responsible for some strange motorcycle engines, like the ABC. His main actual success would be the P&M Panther 600 Single.
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Too bad. It was actually a nice looking aircraft.
No the manchester wasn't that bad. They discovered someone was messing with the engines and that they had metal particles added or not cleaned out. After they were carefully dismantled and cleaned the engine problems went away. They never managed to catch the people responsible.
What Manchester are you talking about? Chris goes into the particulars of the 533 Manchester (and its engines) in this video.
The Rolls-Royce Vulture engine of the WW2 Manchester was unreliable due to several problems, mainly with lubrication and overheating. During wartime it would have been a waste of resources, time and money to iron out the Vulture's problems, so Rolls-Royce focused on further development of the Merlin and Griffon engines instead. Both eventually equalled and even surpassed the Vulture's projected power output. Both were also set up far simpler than the X-24 layout of the Vulture, the Griffon more so than the Merlin.
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But they need to Know. or they do not know.@@NellaCuriosity
That David dude also doesn't realise that Chris is a Briton-turned-Aussie and therefore probably doesn't have anything to say about US politics. Which is just as well, really.
AVRO: From Manchester with love, and a hint of curse!