Is 'High End' Alloy A Rip Off? + Avoid THESE Training Mistakes - The Wild Ones Podcast Ep.26 SPECIAL
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
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This week, we’re joined by Francis’ former coach and ex-Commonwealth Games racer Pete Hawkins, for a deep-dive into training. We chat ‘high end’ alloy bikes, motivation, managing expectations, juggling your work/life/cycling balance, how to know if you’re over training and ask the Big Question - is training like a pro actually a good idea?
Here's the full breakdown:
00:00 Coach Pete is here!
02:54 Pete's approach to training
04:41 Fitness in your late 30s vs your 20s
08:40 Would you pay £3,100 for a 105 alloy bike?
18:10 The danger of comparison in training
22:37 Is training like a pro a good idea? | The Big Question
28:00 Is pro nutrition, bikes and kit really worth the hype?
30:25 The pro 'look'
33:22 Cycling has a HUGE body image problem…
38:58 Motivation & changing negative mindsets
43:43 Overrated/Underrated: branded sports nutrition
45:35 Overrated/Underrated: power meters
48:01 At what age do most people get a coach?
49:25 Pete reveals what it was like coaching Francis
51:18 Overrated/Underrated: New Year’s fitness resolutions
51:47 Overrated/Underrated: Riding In Snow
54:22 Fluff Up Of The Week
55:28 (TW: eating disorders) ‘How do I know if I’m overtraining?’
01:01:26 ‘How do I keep fit after having a baby?’
01:04:03 ‘How do I get fit enough to ride the Alps?’
01:08:30 ‘Help! What nutrition should I be using?’
01:12:24 Pete’s coaching deets
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Nice podcast. IMO...just ride whatever bike you want and can afford. I stopped worrying about what other people can afford to crash. I only worry about what I can afford to crash.
Don't race what you can't replace!
People will happily live in debt to impress other people. The cycling industry is fantastic example of that.
Body position and stealing a draft is way more important than riding a $10,000 dentist bike. I also eat gummy bears, mars bars, and diluted Coca Cola with a pinch of salt in my bottle (which I love the taste of). The only sport nutrition I spend extra money on are salt tablets for hot summer days. I have no trouble keeping up with my buddies on my 7 year old aluminum Trek Emonda that I spent $1800 on.
lol, dentist bikes! I ride with lots of dentists and doctors, and Strawberry Twizzlers are my go to energy source
The most expensive bikes never makes one a better rider...it make you the dude with an expensive bike in a group. .😊
Here is my 5-star review.
But seriously, Pete's approach to cycling and coaching is spot on. It was time well spent listening in on the conversation. Cheers.
Pete was a great personality to have on the podcast, he came with a great view of training and looking at training, life, family, etc with a holistic approach. Very comforting to see this approach to cycling at a higher than average level.
Excellent podcast. It's refreshing to hear Pete's pragmatic viewpoint regarding training and realistic expectations.
What a great story, and great to talk about these body image topics - very important.
Love Coach Pete! Got a lot of time for this! Down to earth, well thought out and everything explained really clearly 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Of course I miss Francis but really enjoyed having Pete sit in. He seems like a common sense coach who has great training and nutrition advice. Just a request for future episodes.. can you discuss what a 60+ cyclist should be doing as far as number of training days, long easy vs higher intensity rides etc? Not sure where I fall in your viewer demographics so just representin' 😁😁 thank you.
That was one of the best cycling podcasts I’ve heard in a long time. Relaxed, down to earth and very informative. Well done all of you
I started shaving my legs in the 70s (before tall socks!) and still do at age 70. I get a bit lazy in winter, but the stubble starts to drive me crazy. It’s just become a clean feeling after all this time.
Great podcast, Pete should come again 👍
I think that was the best, most insightful cycling podcast I’ve ever listened to.
Confession of an alloyholic anonymous here: I actually did end up spending that much on an alloy bike. The caveat is that it's a Mason, their frames are hand made in Italy which matters to me. I also bought as frame+wheels, which allowed me to spec it exactly as I wanted, and there is a second wheelset in that budget too.
Would not put that money on this Specialized.
What an awesome conversation. I really enjoyed the perspective on joy in cycling. Wonderful content.
Great conversation and a really refreshing aproach to both kit/nutrition choices and enjoyment, particularly for the 99.999% of us who will never "go pro". Ride what you have and enjoy it!
So truthful, fine tuning all the details is what will really count toward progressing in Our cycling lives!
Well some of us are enjoying being slower than we used to be, well, at least I am. I was never that fast, but the older I get, the more I enjoy riding sweep and helping the stragglers home. Having a conversation to end the ride has become more fun than cooking off whatever energy I have left.
I am PROPER CHUFFED you read out not only my over-/under-rated on nutrition, but also my question (Alps fitness ").😁😁😁
Loved this edition. Really enjoyed Pete's contribution. Thanks for the responses, I feel really motivated. Loved that it was lots of solid, common sense advice. 💯
Excellent podcast really informative. Well done
41:20 I totally agree. When I was racing competitively back then, the best results came always ONLY when my mindset was: I want to give everything I have and I can give everything I have, because I'm having fun doing it and this is my own decision and goal, and not somebody else's
Oh man I'm glad I found this podcast. Great info subscribed 👍
I hired a bike earlier this year with 105 Di2 and it performed exactly like my 2017 era Ultegra Di2. Very nicely.
Love the down to earth practical approach to cycling and training
Excellent, very enjoyable easy listening on a rainy day in Yorkshire
24:22 James was riding around circuit races on a cross bike with two snapped lever blades as a kid. Absolute class
Specialized does lifetime warranty on its frames. So if bought new keep your receipt and not worry about the frame too much. We'll other than it may take forever for it to come in
my road bike from the 80's had a lifetime warranty. I'm on my third frame, it better last because the store and manufacturer are long out of business. (Velo Sport in canada)
@@stevenhowes530You’ve learned that life time warranty really means the life of the company !!!
You can quite likely get the lost footage back from the SD card if you use recovery software. I've done the same thing one too many times. Just don't use the card until you've had a go!
11:30, he’s right, you should. I bought this frameset off eBay (~$600), I put my caad12 parts on there (1x11 Force, super cheap Chinese carbon wheelset) and it’s a rocket ship. It’s overpriced brand new, but it truly is almost as good of a race bike as its carbon SL7 counterpart.
I've ridden its predecessor and very simply put, it's similar to a Venge, minus the acceleration due to the weight. This is my favourite Specialized road model.
If there's anything I don't like about it, it's its proprietary headset bearings. There is literally no aftermarket option for it, even Enduro Bearings told me they don't have plans to manufacture it when I e-mailed them back in February 2023.
For the guy with a newborn, welcome to compromises! When my kids were born recently, here are the changes I made that felt like they worked well for me and my wife:
1. Once nap time is dialed in, plan to do your rides then. At this point, kids nap for ~2 hours, so I get in 2 hour rides around noon on each day of the weekend
2. Long weekend ride? Be ready to set off super early. If you set off at 5:30 am (usually mid summer), not only do you avoid the heat of the day, but you can also get in 60+ miles and be back by 9-10am to help with family
3. Weekdays, just load up on early evening turbo sessions. Make it a routine to put the kids to bed and have your wife be on alert if something is needed, that way, you are helping with the bedtime routine and then getting a workout in.
Same here. Being in sync with your parental partner is key to finding time to ride. Getting an indoor trainer was key to finding more time to ride. I ride when I can in between the gaps of work & family responsibilities. I have to shift/adjust training plans on the fly, and I'm totally okay with it. I love being a dad.
Re: shaving the legs... It massively helps when treating road rash if there's no hair in the way to stick to bandages and what not. I learned the hard way with a nasty crash some years back, and have shaved religiously ever since.
That was really good interesting to know bit more about Pete and his coaching, be interested to see who's on next week I have an idea who it might be.
I just love the fact that you build keybs too! bikes, business, keybs... (you probably like PC's too like I do) You're simply what I aspire to be bro sheesh!
yow, RUclips's buggin' I dropped this comment earlier on GC Performance's video how did that get here?
I went with the 2022 Allez Sprint (mechanical 105), with Vel 60 wheels from Sigma. I've spent the past year racing on it, and really rate the bike highly. I came from a carbon Specialized Tarmac (2015), and no regrets going aluminium.
I go with the "if I'm having the conversation with myself, then don't do it." Just learnt from experience that if I'm on the edge, then step back
And yep, recovery based training. You train up to but not over what your able to recover from. It's why Wolverine would be an amazing athlete - awesome recovery abilities.
Very nice guest if i hadnt already have a coach i would have messaged after first 2mins in.
Outstanding commonsense approach to the lifestyle hobby of coaching style for his athletes 🤙
Who knew Dougal from father Ted was expert on Cycling! What a nice guy. 👍
If I knew what it feels like now in my mid 60's, back when I was 39, I would have felt a lot better about getting older. In other words, once you get to about your mid 40's, your peak potential will always be behind you, but being at ease with that is important to staying motivated.
I so agree with you at age 64 myself, just being an enthusiastic rider is a victory every single day, something for which to be thankful as who knew it would be so applicable to good health and fitness and the whole everything. And only a race is a race, and perhaps you and I will be dueling for a trophy in the over-50 class at a gravel event one day and that'd be fun, but sanctioned races are but a sliver of anyone's riding, just do all the rest with zest and safety and a great sense of adventure and imagination. And that was my deal throughout my childhood, my seven years on a Schwinn Sting-Ray from '67 to '75. It was fun and motivational to pretend I was driving a racing car or riding a motorcycle or whatever. And I was focused, too, on progression, like with my bike jumping and later my road racing. It was an enriching pursuit and I knew when to say enough was enough for the sake of my body and my future--or real life as I called it after a ridiculous crit crack-up which was not my fault and failed to elicit any help from my teammates to get my broken bike--I had cracked my steel Peugeot--and my broken body to my car so I could drive home. I kept riding, of course, but no need for any more of that and while I have had injuries from crashes, I learn from them and work to avoid them, something you can't really do when racing alongside other amateurs and O well, a race is a race. 😀
It'll be good to hear your thoughts on the best Aluminium frames that have been in the past 10 years
Very good insight into mental approach of cycling - I fully subscribe to listening to your body! Particularly as I'm now 64! 😂😂
Very interesting. Great insights.
Chromoly Steel (chromium, Molybdenum)is an Alloy just like 7075 Aluminium (zinc,magnesium) and 6-4 Titanium ( Aluminium Vanadium) . All metallic frames are "alloy" be it steel aluminium or titanium ! Rant over, love the podcasts 👍
Agree. Always irritated me when people talk about “alloy” bikes! They usually really mean aluminum alloy!
Great conversation at 40 min!
you guys are doing gods work!
Man, what a great guest! Totally enjoyed this segment…highlights: Emily of course…plus Mars bars, jelly babies and Fanta with a pinch of salt now that’s worth putting the hard miles in for…oh and he races with rim brakes!!! Epic.😜❤
Can someone explain to me, but why in English alloy and steel are used as categories? Steel is an alloy.
I would also be surprised if any company really uses pure titanium. I'm pretty confided guessing that only titanium alloys are used.
Great episode
Hi! is it possible to do a review on those 3D printed saddle as compared to the traditional saddles long and short ones? What’s James’s view on those from a bike fitter’s perspective?
Yes! I would love this as well.
"Strava, what are you doing it for?", to document ridden distance on my chain and other parts
As long as its not wet on the roads or trails... i will go biking... cold weather dont affect my riding...wet surfaces do. Sunny or cold ok.. but not wet.
Great listen. 🙏
Listened to it while out for a night ride
@30:38 Shockingly! I am one of those that wants to look good! And darn I’m good at it! 😅 I may say my riding is not bad for a weekend warrior (be able to hang a bit with the more serious riders on the road). I do like it because it’s one of the things that really motivates me to be better! Bought the cool and expensive gears so I better make the best use of it or I’ll regret it! 😂 Albeit, I don’t look down on other riders who have poor fashion. They are usually the serious good riders! … Health is my primary cause and looking good while at it why not! 😁👍🏼🚲
Great podcast 👍
great advice from a fellow Norn Iron man..
As 48 y/o in perimenopause, I struggle with that exact question - am I being lazy or do I need to take the day off. It's a struggle to know!
Additionally, as a new-again cyclist a few years ago, I got signed on with a coaching program that was quite intense...but that's what I thought i needed to do. And for what? A couple of age group podiums. The training I was doing wasn't proportionate to where I was and what I needed. I burned out and this year I've barely ridden. I think I am still recovering and I hope my passion for cycling returns.
The “look” may not be more important than what’s under the hood, but it’s still important, to me anyway. Aesthetics matter, particularly bike aesthetics. Who doesn’t want a sharp looking bike?
It's about motivation. If it gets you out and riding, it's all good.
if you get a stitch on a ride tense the hand that's on the same side of the stitch :)
Choose your Jelly Babies wisely though... they're awesome, but the originals are mostly the best still. Something about the texture. Some own brands have nice taste, just not quite right on texture.
best one yet🙌
Peter says he rides rim break bikes but his funnest race was gravel … aren’t these two things mutually exclusive ? Unless you go with cantilever breaks?
11:50 LOL watching you guys I feel old, even though generally speaking I don't feel old. You say, Shimano 105 was the entry level... ROFL. When I was doing 5 trainings a week at the club (on some rubbish old steel bikes I didn't even own, as they were the property of the club) I was a member of, the Shimano Exage just came along... and the 105 looked to us like a meteorite from another galaxy - expensive, pretty, well performing...
And then there were two guys in the club, whose families were running bike shops - and when those guys showed up with Dura Ace and Ultegra components and custom built, fitted frames, this was something really out of this universe.
I'm a clydesdale so for racing mountain bike i still ride alloy full suspension. I don't think carbon helps with full suspension , other than a few grams that a top tier racer might need. Alloy breaks less with sticks and rocks kicking up on it.
to the person that wanted to stay in shape with a toddler. Get a chariot or trailer for your bike. Me and my kids mom used to ride all the time. She used to ride for hours with the baby in the back. It put him to sleep like nothing else! They're expensive, but we had ours for probably 10 years.
Time management hack, commute on your bike, include intervals.
Did a costing exercise of building up an ally bike. Emonda frame, ultegra 11spd, ultegra carbon wheels, selle italia carbon saddle and carbon post and bars = 3300 quid. So Specialised arent that far off the difference is that Id get exactly what I want with the correct sized cranks and ideal gearing. Good bikes are pricey, gonna take quite a while to save up for that lot! Wonder if .gov will let me buy a race bike as part of tge ride to work scheme...hmmm...
800$ for 5devs 6061-t6 cranks or Absolute Crap chainrings for the price of leg.
Yes that's too expensive for alloy.
Absolute Crap X Tupperware derailleur cage is a good example or overpriced composite.
It's not a material issue it's a marketing & pricing issue.
alloy bikes should still come with 105 mechanical and rim brakes
When Jimmi says 'Get more gears', am I correct in thinking he means get a wider range of gears at the easy end.
Not quite the same as getting more gears. 🤔
You are.
‘More range’ doesn’t make sense to non experts.
You are of course correct. Maybe better statements are needed all-round. 🤷♂️
Someone making Jimmy very happy about...? ex pro? maybe Thomas or Cavendish? Sure Francis without miss that. Can't wait!
I have nothing against aluminum frames (I do own one as and endurance/winter bike), but 3100 pounds for 105 & cheap wheel bike is not a great deal even in carbon frames bike territory. I've got my Tarmac sl7 on Ultegra Di2 with carbon wheels for 4900 pounds this summer... If you consider wheels and groupset upgrades, then the difference between frames is like what 400 - 500 pounds? Not great value then...
Sounds like they optimize training in that things that bring the most benefits relative to expenditure. Minimize wasted time. Eat exceptionally well. Make sure recovery is thorough. Marginal gains still matter but balance is key. An example might be spending 8 hours in zone 1 training, or killing yourself on a ride when you began it with your whole body still extremely sore from the last one. Why?
Overrated or underrated.. "Francis Cade" you cheeky bastard 😂 s'what he gets for being a part-timer I guess. Loved the guest show and the conversation bridging the pro-casual gap
I get irritated whenever I don't ride and even there's verbal quarrels withy family since riding my bike makes me feel good for the day
My road bike is carbon, I like the weight and the way it rides. My MTB is alloy so I don't get anxiety when a rock strikes the downtube.
Is the Specialist Alloy based on their new SL8 racer? Saw the Alloy SPRINT in rutland cycles with a free royal c38 carbon wheel upgrade except it was 3 a half grand all in which is such a joke!!! 😮
The one on rutlands water which is the gravel Mecca for my kinda rides. Better than hamstery woods
Seems like such a sweet and wise man
.. maybe that DI2 105 makes the high price ?!?
I think it is over rated for diabetic to ride a bicycle I am diabetic and my blood sugar goes up 5 to 15 miles but it goes down after 20 miles and I have to not eat anything until I get in 20 miles
I bet it's Geraint Thomas
One of the problems is that the guy shows up on a $15,000 bike and it’s financed. 😄 and yes at 54yrs old I still shave the legs. I don’t think I can stop
Get Tony on the podcast
Some people think looking good whilst cycling is part of enjoying the sport. You don’t buy the best bike because you need to save 5 watts @ 40kph but rather you enjoy riding a good looking, fast bike. A lot of people who have money to buy all the top spec gear don’t have much time so when they do go out they wanna have as much fun and enjoyment on the bike as possible.
The podcast should grow from 2.5 persons to 3.5 persons.
Jamie Dornan would be a cert to play Pete if there was a film about him
No need for high end, just get a Kinesis !
What about aluminium from an eco point of view? Apparently aluminium is much better.
Hell, a caad13 is $3700...
KEEP IT CUUMING!
The overtraining comment is interesting. I'd bet you are more than likely under fueling than overtraining.
about the weight , i would prefer some bodyfat for the improved energy levels , id rather be 8 kg heavyer than my leanest because having no libido is not something a 24 yo enjoys
A RUclipsr Memeulous has made some anti cyclist comments. Could be fun to get him on the show for a different take
Jimmy, you’re 38 not 98.🤦🏻♂️🤣
Should you train like a pro? Absolutely. That doesn't mean you do the same training the pros do (which pro, btw?). If you're going to train, do it professionally. Assess your needs, develop a plan, follow the plan, just like the pros do.
Or just go out and ride, and enjoy it......training isn't going to be enjoyable, is it. And that's why we go out to ride - to have fun - not to take it too seriously.
@@WerdnaLiten what you describe isn't training, and is thus a moot point. I didn't realize someone would need this explained, but IF you're going to train, train smart (aka like a pro)
wow 38 is old now lol
Pro look, pro cyclists look very un healthy it's like a rib cage on a set of fit legs.
From someone outside of cycling (commuter), seeing people like that is a turn off for the sport imo.
Snore
Caad9 was better🤣😉
I lost my mind at age 56 and tried to turn into a competitive racer ( ultra & gravel). I became a narcissistic pain in the ass to my close people. After a few podiums (usually because no other geezers showed up in my age class) I woke up and realized that it wasn’t making me a more content and well-rounded human - rather, it was making me angrier and more aggressive, so I quit racing. Epilogue: I ride a ton for pleasure, health and community now, but I do love the practices and fitness I picked up during the racing period. The aggro trait of wanting to beat everybody on a bike? I think it’s almost gone…🫠
For what it's worth, I'm glad you found your happy place on a bike. Not everyone does. That is worth more than any podiums.
What a great podcast,,,,,,really insightful,useful and level perspective from Pete and yourselves, loved it!