I’m hoping Kairi becomes the playing protagonist in Kingdom Hearts 4. In it, while Riku searches for Sora, Kairi travels through worlds with Donald, Goofy, and Jiminy to search and identify the new 7 hearts after Maleficent and Pete steal one of the gummiphones with info of everything Sora and his friends have been through in all the games. If they do that I hope they do worlds for Brave, Frozen 2, Cinderella 3, The Little Mermaid 2, Pocahontas, Aladdin & The King of Thieves, Mulan 2, Moana, The Princess & The Frog, and Winnie The Pooh (2010 movie). Later she joins Sora and Riku for the game’s finale.
I don't think they should make a game out of it since it will take place while Riku is in Quadratum and would make more sense to show it all in cutscenes only
@@ntrg3248 I agree that they could make it all cutscenes but it definitely wouldn’t be bad as a game concept. She goes to the Disney worlds instead of Sora. Nomura could make an interesting plot with Aqua trying to teach her lessons. Either way just seeing the two of them have more interactions is going to be cool for me. Whatever we get I just hope it’s more than we got in KH3. We really only had one cutscene with their progress and didn’t get to explore anything else.
I want to try defending Kairi's writing a little: I can see what Nomura is trying to do, which is having Kairi go on her internal journey realizing how she IS weak, as shown multiple times and need to get stronger if she really want to stay on Sora and Riku side. That idea is not bad. What really is missing is showing a proper internal struggle of her, which can actually be applied to many characters in the series. Now, IF she does train with Aqua and next time we see her in actual combat actually SHOW she doesn't have to rely on Sora or the others again (and also talk more with other characters because it's sad how in a story based about all sorts of friendship pretty much all the "friendships" don't feel natural, minus SDG and Riku&Mickey), then Kairi will effectively be at least a decent character with actual (although little) development.
There may be hope for her yet, now that it's revealed that she decides to train under Aqua. Here's to hoping that Kairi will do more than what she did in KH3 (and yes I'm counting the part where she kept Sora tethered to the final world, even though all she did was believe in him), once the game that puts an end to the Master comes out.
@@dawnstar9557 the power of believing is a strong theme in kh whoever the next big villian is it will be stronger then the old man whenever i got to the cutscene where they freed the guardians i would say two hearts beating as one and now the power of the two halves restores the guardians kairi gave sora a second chance to stop xehanort i believe that she will save sora again after all she's one of the keys plus fans need to realize that no matter how hard a person trains n opponent could always be stronger its like when vegeta fought perfect cell nothing was damaging him or when the z fighters fought nappa anyway point is kairi will be stronger for sure
@@jorgemathiasbenitezsaldiva8131 No, just her making some autocritic, being angry at herself and show being motivated to become better. To give an example, Eren from Attack on Titan in season 2 has a great and tragic moment where he break down after not being able to do anything to save one of his closest friends and blame himself. That is what, in my opinion, Kairi should have had both in KH3 where she failed to help against Terranort and got kidnapped by Xemnas and even in MoM when Sora saved her again.
I think Sora helping her makes sense; he is a lot more Expirience. And of Kari went to Verum Rex she would probably be kidnapped again. So she is doing everything to better herself and so she won't be a burden to others and can be an ally instead of a hindrance. She recognised getting kidnapped by Xemnas, and beaten by Heart Xehnort; it made he realise she needs to be stronger. Also, about your Kairi and Aqua gams; it seems your more excited about Aqua playable than Kairi. Also u make a good point of her awareness
I mean Mickey showed Restraint when Aqua was lost, so... I guess Mickey wanted to help Riku because he's his son and he's more closer to Riku than he is with Aqua and the reason he kept it from them was because Sora would have recklessly gone to save her.
Well to be fair you can chalk up Mickey's reaction to his PTSD being triggered - last time he allowed Keyblade Master leave Mysterious Tower alone... It didn't end well... It ended with 10 of uncertainty, having no idea where to look (because that Keyblade Master erased crime scene with any clues to where look for them) and tremendous Survivor's Guilt (enough for Mickey to try turn in his keyblade and Yen Sid needing to talk him out of it)
Honestly, I'm feeling 90% certain that Kairi training with Aqua means she'll have a tutorial section to herself. Some very nice girl power is in the future. After said training is done, she might even go on to helping Mickey with Scala ad Caelum, along with Aqua I imagine. Not sure what the others would do right away, likely a more traditional adventure given Malificent and Pete are at large, same for Luxu and the Foretellers. I guess it just depends on whether the next game is Verum Rex in Quadratum (mostly) or KH4 proper.
Sora will somehow witness the past, present, and future along with gaining the means to give himself and his friends a chance against the MOM, the foretellers, and whatever else lies ahead.
I hope we actually get some significant development with Kairi's training under Aqua. Aqua needs to send Kairi on a journey like how Yen Sid sends Sora and Riku on journeys. Melody of Memories kind of robbed Kairi in several ways: 1. Kairi wasn't even playable in her own game (not counting flying around for a few minutes in the end)! They could have at least let Kairi be the one to fight Xehanort. They just had to have her transform into Sora. 2. Even worse was the fact that they didn't let Kairi go to Quadratum, saying that she needs to train. Now, that makes sense logically. The problem however, is that from the perspective of us fans, this seems like just an excuse to hold Kairi back. Sora and Riku never got any formal training or had a formal master. The likes of Yen Sid, Mickey, and Ansem the Wise just sent them on missions, and Sora and Riku just got stronger from experience. The funny thing is the fact that Sora, Riku and Roxas are 3 of the most impressive guardians of light that we have seen out of all of the guardians (especially in comparison to those like Ventus, who by the way, has received formal training from the age of fairy tales, from Xehanort, and from Eraqus), and they never had any formal training (as stated before). In fact, Roxas is literally technically an infant. Yet he was still able to carry out missions for Organization XIII and even single handedly defeat powerful opponents such as Saix, Axel, and even Riku! Then, we have Kairi who basically trained in a hyperbolic time chamber, but still turned out the way she did. This may not make much sense logically, but it seems to me that Kingdom Hearts is a series where experience in the field on adventures nets much better results than formal training. 3. Please tell me that I am not the only onw that has noticed this, but...every time Kairi gets her arm grabbed, why does she never use her other limbs?!!!! For example: @6:10 she could have used her legs/feet. She was in a prime position to kick Xehanort in the crotch, but she didn't attempt to do so. Similarly, when Xemnas grabbed her arm in Kingdom Hearts 3, her other arm and both of her legs were free. She could have tried something! In fact, I think that the arm in which she was holding her keyblade in was free, so she possibly could have even casted a spell. Imagine if she had casted stop magic. She could have killed Xemnas then and there. Now, I'm not guaranteeing that these strategies would work without fail, but she could at least try.
Tbf nomura said it isn’t a kairi game, you guys just assumed that and also, comparing the journey of quadratum to the events things like kh1 is extremely different and more dangerous
Yeah, and Sora and Riku are reckless characters who still have not shown awareness that rushing off into dangerous situations did more harm than good. Kairi is IMO, the most level-headed and aware character, and I think for those reasons her ceiling is very high.
@@korede3986 nomora doesn't need to say it was a Kairi game she was the central character in the box art , she's the narrator of the game the final events involve her it was basically her game similarly to how ddd was basically a Riku game as he took front row center in the narrative
This is how I feel about the whole "Sora saving Kairi thing". If Nomura would have written it where Kairi needed no help, it wouldn't have made any sense for her character. In the previous KH games, Kairi is always needing to be saved. Even after all her training with Lea, it was still the same old story. So to randomly buff her up to make her seem better is more detrimental to her character than good. Their choice to show her needing Sora again, and then more importantly, having her realize and admit that she needs to grow stronger, was the best Kairi choice they ever made in my opinion, and now Kairi can really grow stronger, and help Riku save Sora in the end! Thanks for coming to my ted talk :D (Edit: yes. Natural progression. Couldn't have said it better myself, Prodigy :)
@@Falxifer95 You guessed correctly. I checked and they do share the same voice actress. It makes sense since Xion is supposed to be Sora's memories of Kairi.
@@MelodyofTime Thank you for that statement. In my experience it is possible for people both in fiction and reality to experience multiple emotions at once and they can mix depending on the circumstances. Of course (funnily enough) I have seen characters who only seem to express one at a time. I think we have already met such a character in this game series actually.
Sometimes giving people the benefit of the doubt can be helpful and sometimes it is not. For now, it does me little harm in believing that she was both angry and afraid. She has good reason to feel either one or both.
I’m hoping Kairi becomes the playing protagonist in Kingdom Hearts 4. In it, while Riku searches for Sora, Kairi travels through worlds with Donald, Goofy, and Jiminy to search and identify the new 7 hearts after Maleficent and Pete steal one of the gummiphones with info of everything Sora and his friends have been through in all the games. If they do that I hope they do worlds for Brave, Frozen 2, Cinderella 3, The Little Mermaid 2, Pocahontas, Aladdin & The King of Thieves, Mulan 2, Moana, The Princess & The Frog, and Winnie The Pooh (2010 movie). Later she joins Sora and Riku for the game’s finale. Worlds for Snow White & Tangled will be cutscenes only. By the end of the game, Kairi identifies 5 out of 6 princesses: Pocahontas, Tiana, Rapunzal, Anna, and Moana. Sora will identify the last one in KH5. I’m hoping the last one will be Eilonwy from The Black Cauldron. I soooo want a world based on that movie. As for summons in KH4, I’m hoping for Olaf, Genie, Fairy Godmother, Maui, Mushu, and the 7 dwarfs. I still can’t come up with how the lost masters would play a part in this, but I do have a theory involving Ava and possibly Namine and their connection with Kairi. So many theories, all complicated, but with so many Disney movies I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a KH7. Square-Enix, forget the spin-offs and just go straight into the main games.
I don't know how much Aqua can teach Kairi considering she can summon meteors of light she has her own shield teleporting. It's to much for me Nomura better follow up on it i'm super excited
Why is there any controversy at all about sora saving kairi? Shes fighting xheanort... you know the main antagonist for most of kingdom hearts so far and a person that many keyblade masters have had trouble with for literal years.. I'd personally be more upset if she didnt need some kind of assistance with him.
Its that every time we see Kairi she’s getting her ass kicked or struggling meanwhile Sora and Riku just kinda get their keyblades and they’re already leaps and bounds above where she is now. Everyone else who just got the keyblade with 0 combat training has been shown more capable than Kairi. I understand the xenahort point but you gave her a whole game that’s about her and yet she doesn’t have any room to prove herself which is the fault of the game. She’s still just Sora’s love interest to save
@@JakeTylenol that's fair i guess but lea is new and got beat very quickly when trying to fight just xemnus and he is just as new with a keyblade as kairi is and he even has the added bonus of having much more actual combat experience in general. So comparitivly she should be at his level or lower just based on them both being about the same skill with a keyblade. And I will agree that sora and riku seem to get good at fighting and using their keyblade relatively fast but they also dont go from having very little experience to fighting the main antagonist they have whole journeys to prepare for fighting ansem, xemnus, ect. And while I agree kairi should have some time to shine and not get saved or beaten but xheanort isnt the person to have that against she needs an actual journey so she can have the field experience to rival sora and co. I'm just arguing the fact that people shouldn't specifically get upset about her needing saving from xheanort when narratively it makes perfect sense that she wouldn't have a chance against him on her own.
@@BlazingLiger27 That's how I view it. I was just in a conversation recently where I pointed out that it seemed to me as though she went straight from the tutorial right to the final boss battle. I have played games where I have fought the final boss after learning all the controls. The result is that I get my butt handed to me. Actually I have seen one or two games in which I face mid-level bosses after the tutorial with the same result. Sora and Riku may lack formal training, but they are not lacking in practical experiences fighting various foes in different situations. In experience they are leaps and bounds ahead of her. Besides that, I view training as a baseline to be honest. It gives you a good grasp of the basics and how to act in certain situations, but you cannot be sure how you will use it in a situation that is not a controlled environment until you actually encounter such a circumstance. These are just my thoughts of course. I am just glad to see someone who seems to have the same thought process.
Except that excuse is bullshit since that was a fake version of xeahnort. You also can't say sora and riku lost plenty times since they have more wins to make up for it.
I mean 11:53 why would they give them anything when one is in a coma and one is possessed lol? Aqua had the excuse to get more stuff cause she can still move and fight.
I'm not mad that she got "benched" in her own game, as long as it doesn't happen again. She took initiative in saying she wanted to train with Aqua, and she learned from her mistakes when Xehanort grabbed her keyblade. I have high hopes.
So square does seey comments. What happened with Kiari and Sora because of their heart connection, should have been exactly what happened with Sora and Ven, and Riku and Terra when saving Aqua from the darkness in KH3.
Ya know, so far Kairi's the only main character who hasn't gone through personal struggles yet, mentally and emotionally(albeit due to limited screen time). She is unable to conquer her inner demons on her own like Sora and Riku have, and the former would always have to be there for her to protect her from being harmed. And the memory-visioned Xehanort was only representation of the plague of Kairi's life, a product of her heart, and the embodiment of the very man who brought all the pain and suffering upon her. Even though the fight scene in MoM was all just in Kairi's head, it could be seen as symbolic with her inner turmoil as she tries to fend off her personal demon to for her to destroy. But even so, in the end she's still too weak and inexperienced to overcome him by herself, and Sora has to be the one to take care of the rest for her.
I think the perfect rival for her would be some kind of dark sora, that would really shock her, and maybe even make her more angry and make her struggle with her own emotions about sora. We all know kairi has something for sora, and seeing an evil version of him can make the things far more personal with something like "this is between him and I" or "I must be the one to destroy him" and maybe kairi leaving her hatred for this "dark sora" take control over her, something like that is what I think could be fitting
@@jasondavis2381 maybe, but I think this is JUST what she needs: a personal nemesis to force her to make her heart and emotions stronger, something to put her to her limit, both physical and emotional. And you're right, maybe nomura will not make it THAT dark, but a little more dark story doesn't hurt anyone. And if that's the case, then how you think nomura will make kairi's character development?
@@jorgemathiasbenitezsaldiva8131 Hopefully he'll might have to make her into her own person, and not just a cute, precious little thing that needs constant protection from all bigger dangers.
I really have to agree with all the points you made here prodigy. I really loved what they did with kairi overall in melody of memory. I mean fair enough it could’ve maybe been handled a little bit better but I was fully satisfied with the overall direction. They just give more riku in the next kh game! Whether it’s a verum Rex game or kh4 I’m ready for 2022!
I don’t know about y’all but seen Kairi go train with Aqua got me hype it give me that Sakura going to train with Lady Tsunade vibe at ended of part 1 Naruto ...👌🏾😤
@@xxChainingHeartsxx Lol, I'm not even a sakura fan but dam I know that she did lot in the second half of series y’all people really need to acting like sakura didn't grow as a character an part 2 Naruto...🤦🏾♂️
A game with Aqua and Kairi? Altho im down for it I say No for now, Aqua already had 0.2 we need to look at other main characters instead of ignoring them.
They should Make 1 games that focuses on riku and has him as the main playable character. Then make 1 with kairi as the playable character. Then a 3rd game with 9 playable characters or sora, riku and kairi playable
I think the abilities kairi used in the remind DLC against master Xehanort is just random game physics being thrown into the mix. I don’t think they mean anything. Lol
I'm honestly afraid that they could just as easily do ALL of her training OFF SCREEN. and by the next game which should revolve around her from whatever reason it's going to be. that they could start off with her when she pretty much ended her training. they do LOVE their stupid time skips after all. so it's not impossible to see this actually happen
I wonder if all the story beats at the end are going to be seperate games or mysteries to uncover in the next? Mickey's research seems like something that can be shown in a cutscene, I love the ff characters but they never leave their hub world, the bbs trio on the other hand I cant imagine they'll standby when they find out about riku.
With regards to the Kairi/Sora vs Xehanort fight, in my unprofessional opinion, they should've just kept the Kairi character model, but have her fighting with the KIngdom Key and using Sora's combat animations.
Personally I am really happy with what they did with Kairi. I was really worried that they would try and make her go with Riku only be be in way over her head and becoming one of the main problem makers for getting Sora home. Which was really the only way I could have seen it happening if she had gone with Riku. Which yes might have forced her into character growth but would have also made her annoying, which thankfully she has never been yet in the KH story. No what Kairi needs more then anything else is to show us who she is when she isn't being a love interest to Sora, what are her interest, her problems, what is she like when she is forced to stop thinking about Sora every second of the day. Something that I feel very confident that she will be able to do under the care of Aqua. Plus having a Princess of Heart go to a different World where light and darkness don't exist sounds like a very bad idea to me. I am not sure it would be a bad idea but it really sound like it could be. After all she is holding one of the seven lights of the World can KH really afford her leaving even for just a little time. As for what Kairi is going to be doing in the future I don't really know. I was looking forward to Aqua, Terra, and Ventus having an adventure together in the realm of darkness or learning about Scala together maybe even both. However now it is looking like we will not see the year in the realm of darkness looking for Sora at all and Mickey is the one going to Scala. So I am really not sure what the Land of Departure group is going to be doing. I can think of a few ways this can go. One, Lauriam and Elrena cause trouble for the Land of Departure group because of Ventus. Two, Darkness(race) start acting out and the Land of Departure group is the ones to act because Roxas and Xion are trying to be normal kids instead of wielders for a time. Lea and Isa might also be more willing to act but they are more likely looking for Subject X. Three, the foretellers finally start to act what have they been doing for the past year? I am kind of expecting the foretellers to take control of Twilight Town before Sora gets back. Though it is true that I think that the foretellers are really going to like Kairi and not like most of the other Wilders because of their ties to darkness. So maybe having a game where Kairi is kidnapped for her own good by the foretellers where she ends up getting herself out and running away though the stars trying to find her way home ending up saving a whole lot of worlds from the foretellers or darkness(race) makes a lot of sense to me. I do kind of want her to be in a group of three they would most likely be characters that the foretellers would kidnap to keep save from evil wielders. So Kairi, Ventus, and maybe Demyx or Namine? I guess Kairi and Ventus could most likely spend a game together. With Aqua and Terra being a party looking for the two of them. Sure they are groups of two instead of three but it would make a cool game. Plus Lea and Isa being in a group looking for Subject X. Roxas and Xion in a group after the fall of Twilight Town. If the gameplay is made with having a two person party then we could have a very nice game here explaining all that happens in the realm of light before Sora and Riku get back.
Tbf does it make sense that Kairi becomes as strong as Sora and Riku? I mean, they started wielding the keyblade way before her and also have more experience. I'm not that disappointed for her going to train. HOWEVER, if she is still the weakling after training I will be mildly infuriated.
I think that practical experience (building her way up in a variety of circumstances similar to Sora and Riku's journeys) would help her a great deal in this regard. They grew strong by facing enemies in different places and under different conditions and gradually increasing their abilities.
I am gonna keep hope. Maybe we can see Kairi come at the end of the Yozora/Riku game to save in a pinch during that time. Rush of progression would make Kairi a Mary Sue, which no one wants
I would also like a game involving time traveling featuring Roxas and Xion. Plus it would be nice to see a growing relationship between them if you know what I mean.
@@grimsongreen3217 Not really. Sure if you think about it Roxas is the nobody of both Sora and Ven, but Xion was never really a nobody. She was a puppet created from Sora’s memories of Kairi. So of course there should be some attraction between Roxas and Xion. It’s not like they are blood related.
If it weren't because I'm interested to find out what's the deal with the MoM and Foretellers, I would've dropped the series here because I'm so sick and tired of Kairi being sidelined. And knowing Nomura, Kairi's training with Aqua will probably be just a couple of cutscenes while Riku is looking for Sora.
Aqua is an opposite to Kairi in so much as Aqua has ive based powers but Kairi seems to have fire based powers. Also Kairi training under Aqua will balance her more & Expand her abilities
@@TheFixer_1 I know... but sometimes Some like to use ice more then water and some use water more then ice, for example Demyx and Vexen both use water one is normal and the other is just cold water, Aqua in the other hand is supposed to be more in the water side not Ice, but eh no big deal.
Honestly, I feel like hoping for Kairi at this point is futile. How many times have we all been burned? She got a Keyblade in 2, but it didn't amount to much. She already did the training thing, in a hyperbolic time chamber no less, and it amounted to nothing. Then she gets her own side game, but is barely playable and then gets benched. In her own game. Face it, she'll have one good moment in the next climax and then be useless or a flat out impediment the rest of the time as is her usual. Which is a damn shame. Given what she showed in actually pushing back Xemnas and fighting Goatnort, I think she's just suffering imposter syndrome. It's not like Riku's showing in the realm of darkness or really in KH3 in general, inspired much confidence.
i kinda felt like kh3 and kh mom made it seem like sora is on xehanorts level. i mean, im just on some powerscaler nonsense rn... but when i seen kairi change into sora, it made me think that square was saying sora can beat xehanort in a 1v1. when, in my mind,kh mom riku is the strongest guardian of light. I mean, sora couldnt beat terranort. but ill agree with you that square has been doing better with the cutsceen fights
I sincerely advise that you forget about the power scaling in this series, it's just as much a clusterfuck like the story so save yourself the headache.
While I would love to be excited about aqua training Kairi I don't have confidence he'll make it Matter I simply don't trust him he had her train in 3 and he made that not matter so if it didn't matter before why should I believe it this time ?
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE I mean her training not Kairis role in the story her training didn't matter in the base game so I have no confidence in beliving it's going to matter in the future because training never matters in Kh it's only an excuse because multiple characters are strong without training
I genuinely have the lowest possible expectations for this supposed "training" from Aqua. Knowing Nomura, she'll turn out to be an even worse teacher than Yen Sid(who's already garbage-tier, btw).
This video will mean nothing, watch as Nomura offscreens her training with Aqua and then come up with another excuse to bench her while Riku and Sora save the worlds again. While countless KH fans buy his new excuse which will be Kairi didn't train hard enough.
I'm sick of this shit. Why does Sora get to get strong all on his own by gaining battle experience, but Kairi gets stuck "training" forever only to never be good enough? Honestly, this bitch never should've gotten a keyblade in the first place if this was what was going to happen.
I’m praying that we actually get a Kairi and Aqua game. I didn’t know I wanted it so much until I heard her line at the end. Please Nomura!!
yeah, she was like, I wanna train under aqua. my brain went wild with game ideas
I’m hoping Kairi becomes the playing protagonist in Kingdom Hearts 4. In it, while Riku searches for Sora, Kairi travels through worlds with Donald, Goofy, and Jiminy to search and identify the new 7 hearts after Maleficent and Pete steal one of the gummiphones with info of everything Sora and his friends have been through in all the games. If they do that I hope they do worlds for Brave, Frozen 2, Cinderella 3, The Little Mermaid 2, Pocahontas, Aladdin & The King of Thieves, Mulan 2, Moana, The Princess & The Frog, and Winnie The Pooh (2010 movie). Later she joins Sora and Riku for the game’s finale.
@@chuumon95 I honestly wouldn't mind if they gave kh4 the birth by sleep treatment with multiple campaigns
I don't think they should make a game out of it since it will take place while Riku is in Quadratum and would make more sense to show it all in cutscenes only
@@ntrg3248 I agree that they could make it all cutscenes but it definitely wouldn’t be bad as a game concept. She goes to the Disney worlds instead of Sora. Nomura could make an interesting plot with Aqua trying to teach her lessons. Either way just seeing the two of them have more interactions is going to be cool for me. Whatever we get I just hope it’s more than we got in KH3. We really only had one cutscene with their progress and didn’t get to explore anything else.
I'm so pumped to see what else the series has in store for us.
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I want to try defending Kairi's writing a little: I can see what Nomura is trying to do, which is having Kairi go on her internal journey realizing how she IS weak, as shown multiple times and need to get stronger if she really want to stay on Sora and Riku side. That idea is not bad. What really is missing is showing a proper internal struggle of her, which can actually be applied to many characters in the series. Now, IF she does train with Aqua and next time we see her in actual combat actually SHOW she doesn't have to rely on Sora or the others again (and also talk more with other characters because it's sad how in a story based about all sorts of friendship pretty much all the "friendships" don't feel natural, minus SDG and Riku&Mickey), then Kairi will effectively be at least a decent character with actual (although little) development.
if nomura could go as hard as he did with riku's character, i wanna see it for kairi too. itll be great!
There may be hope for her yet, now that it's revealed that she decides to train under Aqua. Here's to hoping that Kairi will do more than what she did in KH3 (and yes I'm counting the part where she kept Sora tethered to the final world, even though all she did was believe in him), once the game that puts an end to the Master comes out.
@@dawnstar9557 the power of believing is a strong theme in kh whoever the next big villian is it will be stronger then the old man whenever i got to the cutscene where they freed the guardians i would say two hearts beating as one and now the power of the two halves restores the guardians kairi gave sora a second chance to stop xehanort i believe that she will save sora again after all she's one of the keys plus fans need to realize that no matter how hard a person trains n opponent could always be stronger its like when vegeta fought perfect cell nothing was damaging him or when the z fighters fought nappa anyway point is kairi will be stronger for sure
An internal struggle, maybe some kind of dark sora?
@@jorgemathiasbenitezsaldiva8131 No, just her making some autocritic, being angry at herself and show being motivated to become better. To give an example, Eren from Attack on Titan in season 2 has a great and tragic moment where he break down after not being able to do anything to save one of his closest friends and blame himself. That is what, in my opinion, Kairi should have had both in KH3 where she failed to help against Terranort and got kidnapped by Xemnas and even in MoM when Sora saved her again.
My reactions to press the notification was almost as quick as me trying to deflect the lasers from Yozora 😂❤️
I’m so happy that Kairi decided to be trained by Aqua!
That will certainly benefit her.
I think Sora helping her makes sense; he is a lot more Expirience. And of Kari went to Verum Rex she would probably be kidnapped again. So she is doing everything to better herself and so she won't be a burden to others and can be an ally instead of a hindrance. She recognised getting kidnapped by Xemnas, and beaten by Heart Xehnort; it made he realise she needs to be stronger. Also, about your Kairi and Aqua gams; it seems your more excited about Aqua playable than Kairi.
Also u make a good point of her awareness
I love the topic transitions bro! Love it! Respect your hustle so much.
I mean Mickey showed Restraint when Aqua was lost, so... I guess Mickey wanted to help Riku because he's his son and he's more closer to Riku than he is with Aqua and the reason he kept it from them was because Sora would have recklessly gone to save her.
Aqua is Mickey's friend from work.
Riku is essentially Mickey's godson now.
Well to be fair you can chalk up Mickey's reaction to his PTSD being triggered - last time he allowed Keyblade Master leave Mysterious Tower alone... It didn't end well... It ended with 10 of uncertainty, having no idea where to look (because that Keyblade Master erased crime scene with any clues to where look for them) and tremendous Survivor's Guilt (enough for Mickey to try turn in his keyblade and Yen Sid needing to talk him out of it)
Honestly, I'm feeling 90% certain that Kairi training with Aqua means she'll have a tutorial section to herself. Some very nice girl power is in the future. After said training is done, she might even go on to helping Mickey with Scala ad Caelum, along with Aqua I imagine. Not sure what the others would do right away, likely a more traditional adventure given Malificent and Pete are at large, same for Luxu and the Foretellers. I guess it just depends on whether the next game is Verum Rex in Quadratum (mostly) or KH4 proper.
Sora will somehow witness the past, present, and future along with gaining the means to give himself and his friends a chance against the MOM, the foretellers, and whatever else lies ahead.
I hope we actually get some significant development with Kairi's training under Aqua. Aqua needs to send Kairi on a journey like how Yen Sid sends Sora and Riku on journeys. Melody of Memories kind of robbed Kairi in several ways:
1. Kairi wasn't even playable in her own game (not counting flying around for a few minutes in the end)! They could have at least let Kairi be the one to fight Xehanort. They just had to have her transform into Sora.
2. Even worse was the fact that they didn't let Kairi go to Quadratum, saying that she needs to train. Now, that makes sense logically. The problem however, is that from the perspective of us fans, this seems like just an excuse to hold Kairi back. Sora and Riku never got any formal training or had a formal master. The likes of Yen Sid, Mickey, and Ansem the Wise just sent them on missions, and Sora and Riku just got stronger from experience. The funny thing is the fact that Sora, Riku and Roxas are 3 of the most impressive guardians of light that we have seen out of all of the guardians (especially in comparison to those like Ventus, who by the way, has received formal training from the age of fairy tales, from Xehanort, and from Eraqus), and they never had any formal training (as stated before). In fact, Roxas is literally technically an infant. Yet he was still able to carry out missions for Organization XIII and even single handedly defeat powerful opponents such as Saix, Axel, and even Riku! Then, we have Kairi who basically trained in a hyperbolic time chamber, but still turned out the way she did.
This may not make much sense logically, but it seems to me that Kingdom Hearts is a series where experience in the field on adventures nets much better results than formal training.
3. Please tell me that I am not the only onw that has noticed this, but...every time Kairi gets her arm grabbed, why does she never use her other limbs?!!!! For example: @6:10 she could have used her legs/feet. She was in a prime position to kick Xehanort in the crotch, but she didn't attempt to do so. Similarly, when Xemnas grabbed her arm in Kingdom Hearts 3, her other arm and both of her legs were free. She could have tried something! In fact, I think that the arm in which she was holding her keyblade in was free, so she possibly could have even casted a spell. Imagine if she had casted stop magic. She could have killed Xemnas then and there. Now, I'm not guaranteeing that these strategies would work without fail, but she could at least try.
Tbf nomura said it isn’t a kairi game, you guys just assumed that and also, comparing the journey of quadratum to the events things like kh1 is extremely different and more dangerous
Yeah, and Sora and Riku are reckless characters who still have not shown awareness that rushing off into dangerous situations did more harm than good. Kairi is IMO, the most level-headed and aware character, and I think for those reasons her ceiling is very high.
@@korede3986 nomora doesn't need to say it was a Kairi game she was the central character in the box art , she's the narrator of the game the final events involve her it was basically her game similarly to how ddd was basically a Riku game as he took front row center in the narrative
So saving the multiverse three times is more harm then good josh.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 bet so fuck what the creator said, what we think is facts then
This is how I feel about the whole "Sora saving Kairi thing". If Nomura would have written it where Kairi needed no help, it wouldn't have made any sense for her character. In the previous KH games, Kairi is always needing to be saved. Even after all her training with Lea, it was still the same old story. So to randomly buff her up to make her seem better is more detrimental to her character than good.
Their choice to show her needing Sora again, and then more importantly, having her realize and admit that she needs to grow stronger, was the best Kairi choice they ever made in my opinion, and now Kairi can really grow stronger, and help Riku save Sora in the end!
Thanks for coming to my ted talk :D
(Edit: yes. Natural progression. Couldn't have said it better myself, Prodigy :)
I don't really care what Kairi does next, all I care about is whether or not Square will actually rehire Hayden Panettiere to do her voice again.
Alyson stoner still does a rlly good job tho especially now but I can see why u’d want the OG to come back
Alyson Stoner is already voicing Xion, and it's gonna be really hard to differentiate their voices.
@@Redxan600 laughs in Ventus/Roxas.
My guess is that since in the Japanese dub Xion and Kairi are voiced by the same actor from day one.
@@Falxifer95 You guessed correctly. I checked and they do share the same voice actress. It makes sense since Xion is supposed to be Sora's memories of Kairi.
Didn't SE and Panettiere have some kind of falling out? Or did she just quit?
I don't know think Kairi was shaking because she was afraid of this man who killed her. She was legit shaking in anger. That's how I see it 😊
It could be both. Fear and anger can be felt at the same time and both can overwhelm a person.
@@lordofcreativity9637 Yeah I guess you're right
@@MelodyofTime Thank you for that statement. In my experience it is possible for people both in fiction and reality to experience multiple emotions at once and they can mix depending on the circumstances. Of course (funnily enough) I have seen characters who only seem to express one at a time. I think we have already met such a character in this game series actually.
That's giving the writers the benefit of the doubt.
Sometimes giving people the benefit of the doubt can be helpful and sometimes it is not. For now, it does me little harm in believing that she was both angry and afraid. She has good reason to feel either one or both.
I’m hoping Kairi becomes the playing protagonist in Kingdom Hearts 4. In it, while Riku searches for Sora, Kairi travels through worlds with Donald, Goofy, and Jiminy to search and identify the new 7 hearts after Maleficent and Pete steal one of the gummiphones with info of everything Sora and his friends have been through in all the games. If they do that I hope they do worlds for Brave, Frozen 2, Cinderella 3, The Little Mermaid 2, Pocahontas, Aladdin & The King of Thieves, Mulan 2, Moana, The Princess & The Frog, and Winnie The Pooh (2010 movie). Later she joins Sora and Riku for the game’s finale. Worlds for Snow White & Tangled will be cutscenes only. By the end of the game, Kairi identifies 5 out of 6 princesses: Pocahontas, Tiana, Rapunzal, Anna, and Moana. Sora will identify the last one in KH5. I’m hoping the last one will be Eilonwy from The Black Cauldron. I soooo want a world based on that movie. As for summons in KH4, I’m hoping for Olaf, Genie, Fairy Godmother, Maui, Mushu, and the 7 dwarfs. I still can’t come up with how the lost masters would play a part in this, but I do have a theory involving Ava and possibly Namine and their connection with Kairi. So many theories, all complicated, but with so many Disney movies I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a KH7. Square-Enix, forget the spin-offs and just go straight into the main games.
I don't know how much Aqua can teach Kairi considering she can summon meteors of light she has her own shield teleporting. It's to much for me Nomura better follow up on it i'm super excited
Why is there any controversy at all about sora saving kairi? Shes fighting xheanort... you know the main antagonist for most of kingdom hearts so far and a person that many keyblade masters have had trouble with for literal years.. I'd personally be more upset if she didnt need some kind of assistance with him.
Its that every time we see Kairi she’s getting her ass kicked or struggling meanwhile Sora and Riku just kinda get their keyblades and they’re already leaps and bounds above where she is now. Everyone else who just got the keyblade with 0 combat training has been shown more capable than Kairi. I understand the xenahort point but you gave her a whole game that’s about her and yet she doesn’t have any room to prove herself which is the fault of the game. She’s still just Sora’s love interest to save
@@JakeTylenol that's fair i guess but lea is new and got beat very quickly when trying to fight just xemnus and he is just as new with a keyblade as kairi is and he even has the added bonus of having much more actual combat experience in general. So comparitivly she should be at his level or lower just based on them both being about the same skill with a keyblade. And I will agree that sora and riku seem to get good at fighting and using their keyblade relatively fast but they also dont go from having very little experience to fighting the main antagonist they have whole journeys to prepare for fighting ansem, xemnus, ect. And while I agree kairi should have some time to shine and not get saved or beaten but xheanort isnt the person to have that against she needs an actual journey so she can have the field experience to rival sora and co. I'm just arguing the fact that people shouldn't specifically get upset about her needing saving from xheanort when narratively it makes perfect sense that she wouldn't have a chance against him on her own.
@@BlazingLiger27 That's how I view it. I was just in a conversation recently where I pointed out that it seemed to me as though she went straight from the tutorial right to the final boss battle. I have played games where I have fought the final boss after learning all the controls. The result is that I get my butt handed to me. Actually I have seen one or two games in which I face mid-level bosses after the tutorial with the same result. Sora and Riku may lack formal training, but they are not lacking in practical experiences fighting various foes in different situations. In experience they are leaps and bounds ahead of her. Besides that, I view training as a baseline to be honest. It gives you a good grasp of the basics and how to act in certain situations, but you cannot be sure how you will use it in a situation that is not a controlled environment until you actually encounter such a circumstance. These are just my thoughts of course. I am just glad to see someone who seems to have the same thought process.
@@JakeTylenol Ummm, Sora & Riku got their asses kicked a lot too you know
Except that excuse is bullshit since that was a fake version of xeahnort. You also can't say sora and riku lost plenty times since they have more wins to make up for it.
I'd love to see a Kairi and Aqua game, sort of like DDD, with Kairi training and Aqua having to deal with her own issues.
I mean 11:53 why would they give them anything when one is in a coma and one is possessed lol? Aqua had the excuse to get more stuff cause she can still move and fight.
I'm a bit confused. What do yo mean?
I'm not mad that she got "benched" in her own game, as long as it doesn't happen again. She took initiative in saying she wanted to train with Aqua, and she learned from her mistakes when Xehanort grabbed her keyblade. I have high hopes.
So square does seey comments. What happened with Kiari and Sora because of their heart connection, should have been exactly what happened with Sora and Ven, and Riku and Terra when saving Aqua from the darkness in KH3.
Ya know, so far Kairi's the only main character who hasn't gone through personal struggles yet, mentally and emotionally(albeit due to limited screen time). She is unable to conquer her inner demons on her own like Sora and Riku have, and the former would always have to be there for her to protect her from being harmed. And the memory-visioned Xehanort was only representation of the plague of Kairi's life, a product of her heart, and the embodiment of the very man who brought all the pain and suffering upon her. Even though the fight scene in MoM was all just in Kairi's head, it could be seen as symbolic with her inner turmoil as she tries to fend off her personal demon to for her to destroy. But even so, in the end she's still too weak and inexperienced to overcome him by herself, and Sora has to be the one to take care of the rest for her.
I think the perfect rival for her would be some kind of dark sora, that would really shock her, and maybe even make her more angry and make her struggle with her own emotions about sora.
We all know kairi has something for sora, and seeing an evil version of him can make the things far more personal with something like "this is between him and I" or "I must be the one to destroy him" and maybe kairi leaving her hatred for this "dark sora" take control over her, something like that is what I think could be fitting
@@jorgemathiasbenitezsaldiva8131 Perhaps, but I don't think Nomura will go THAT deep.
@@jasondavis2381 maybe, but I think this is JUST what she needs: a personal nemesis to force her to make her heart and emotions stronger, something to put her to her limit, both physical and emotional. And you're right, maybe nomura will not make it THAT dark, but a little more dark story doesn't hurt anyone.
And if that's the case, then how you think nomura will make kairi's character development?
@@jorgemathiasbenitezsaldiva8131 Hopefully he'll might have to make her into her own person, and not just a cute, precious little thing that needs constant protection from all bigger dangers.
@@jasondavis2381 you're right, it could be with any enemy, but I still think that a dark sora could be fitting, just my opinion thou
I really have to agree with all the points you made here prodigy. I really loved what they did with kairi overall in melody of memory. I mean fair enough it could’ve maybe been handled a little bit better but I was fully satisfied with the overall direction. They just give more riku in the next kh game! Whether it’s a verum Rex game or kh4 I’m ready for 2022!
i'm always up for more Aqua content.
This vid has a bit more editing and effort put into it than your norm. Looks good.
Thank you ^_^
I don’t know about y’all but seen Kairi go train with Aqua got me hype it give me that Sakura going to train with Lady Tsunade vibe at ended of part 1 Naruto ...👌🏾😤
Same
That's...not really a good thing considering how Sakura turned out.
@@soul6733 LoL, dude let's not go there ...
I get where you going with that but nevertheless that's an awful..& very UNREASSURING comparison to use😅
@@xxChainingHeartsxx Lol, I'm not even a sakura fan but dam I know that she did lot in the second half of series y’all people really need to acting like sakura didn't grow as a character an part 2 Naruto...🤦🏾♂️
I LOVE kairi! But she NEEDS a real game of her own!
A game with Aqua and Kairi? Altho im down for it I say No for now, Aqua already had 0.2 we need to look at other main characters instead of ignoring them.
They should Make 1 games
that focuses on riku and has him as the main playable character. Then make 1 with kairi as the playable character. Then a 3rd game with 9 playable characters or sora, riku and kairi playable
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i believe she will confront this memory version of him again
maybe
I'm happy that you just jump into videos now instead of the annoying discord ad lol. Much better for keeping viewers and myself engaged
Keep it up 👍
I think the abilities kairi used in the remind DLC against master Xehanort is just random game physics being thrown into the mix. I don’t think they mean anything. Lol
Yea cutscenes and gameplay are just two separate things, in MoM Kairi didn’t teleport or anything.
I'm honestly afraid that they could just as easily do ALL of her training OFF SCREEN. and by the next game which should revolve around her from whatever reason it's going to be. that they could start off with her when she pretty much ended her training. they do LOVE their stupid time skips after all. so it's not impossible to see this actually happen
Kairi's journey so far is pitiful, and that's just really sad.
I wonder if all the story beats at the end are going to be seperate games or mysteries to uncover in the next? Mickey's research seems like something that can be shown in a cutscene, I love the ff characters but they never leave their hub world, the bbs trio on the other hand I cant imagine they'll standby when they find out about riku.
The problem is that Kairi barely fought Xehanort before Sora came to save her she should've had an actual fight
With regards to the Kairi/Sora vs Xehanort fight, in my unprofessional opinion, they should've just kept the Kairi character model, but have her fighting with the KIngdom Key and using Sora's combat animations.
Personally I am really happy with what they did with Kairi. I was really worried that they would try and make her go with Riku only be be in way over her head and becoming one of the main problem makers for getting Sora home. Which was really the only way I could have seen it happening if she had gone with Riku. Which yes might have forced her into character growth but would have also made her annoying, which thankfully she has never been yet in the KH story.
No what Kairi needs more then anything else is to show us who she is when she isn't being a love interest to Sora, what are her interest, her problems, what is she like when she is forced to stop thinking about Sora every second of the day. Something that I feel very confident that she will be able to do under the care of Aqua.
Plus having a Princess of Heart go to a different World where light and darkness don't exist sounds like a very bad idea to me. I am not sure it would be a bad idea but it really sound like it could be. After all she is holding one of the seven lights of the World can KH really afford her leaving even for just a little time.
As for what Kairi is going to be doing in the future I don't really know. I was looking forward to Aqua, Terra, and Ventus having an adventure together in the realm of darkness or learning about Scala together maybe even both. However now it is looking like we will not see the year in the realm of darkness looking for Sora at all and Mickey is the one going to Scala. So I am really not sure what the Land of Departure group is going to be doing.
I can think of a few ways this can go. One, Lauriam and Elrena cause trouble for the Land of Departure group because of Ventus. Two, Darkness(race) start acting out and the Land of Departure group is the ones to act because Roxas and Xion are trying to be normal kids instead of wielders for a time. Lea and Isa might also be more willing to act but they are more likely looking for Subject X. Three, the foretellers finally start to act what have they been doing for the past year? I am kind of expecting the foretellers to take control of Twilight Town before Sora gets back. Though it is true that I think that the foretellers are really going to like Kairi and not like most of the other Wilders because of their ties to darkness.
So maybe having a game where Kairi is kidnapped for her own good by the foretellers where she ends up getting herself out and running away though the stars trying to find her way home ending up saving a whole lot of worlds from the foretellers or darkness(race) makes a lot of sense to me. I do kind of want her to be in a group of three they would most likely be characters that the foretellers would kidnap to keep save from evil wielders. So Kairi, Ventus, and maybe Demyx or Namine? I guess Kairi and Ventus could most likely spend a game together. With Aqua and Terra being a party looking for the two of them. Sure they are groups of two instead of three but it would make a cool game. Plus Lea and Isa being in a group looking for Subject X. Roxas and Xion in a group after the fall of Twilight Town. If the gameplay is made with having a two person party then we could have a very nice game here explaining all that happens in the realm of light before Sora and Riku get back.
Hayden Panettiere was Kairi in the archive cut scenes but Alyson Stoner is still KH3 Kairi why? Why not just bring back Hayden?
Maybe Hayden doesn't want anything to do with Nomura's poor writing...
@@1992holycrap Not to be that guy but your comment sounds like you were insulting nomura. Kinda disrespectful don't you think.
Tbf does it make sense that Kairi becomes as strong as Sora and Riku? I mean, they started wielding the keyblade way before her and also have more experience. I'm not that disappointed for her going to train. HOWEVER, if she is still the weakling after training I will be mildly infuriated.
I think that practical experience (building her way up in a variety of circumstances similar to Sora and Riku's journeys) would help her a great deal in this regard. They grew strong by facing enemies in different places and under different conditions and gradually increasing their abilities.
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I am gonna keep hope. Maybe we can see Kairi come at the end of the Yozora/Riku game to save in a pinch during that time. Rush of progression would make Kairi a Mary Sue, which no one wants
Kiari should have been playable in this game
I’m just bummed we couldn’t even get Kairi in any of the teams in MoM 😕😕
Not surprising since it's not really her game despite Nomura's half baked insistence
I would also like a game involving time traveling featuring Roxas and Xion. Plus it would be nice to see a growing relationship between them if you know what I mean.
@@grimsongreen3217
Not really. Sure if you think about it Roxas is the nobody of both Sora and Ven, but Xion was never really a nobody. She was a puppet created from Sora’s memories of Kairi. So of course there should be some attraction between Roxas and Xion. It’s not like they are blood related.
If it weren't because I'm interested to find out what's the deal with the MoM and Foretellers, I would've dropped the series here because I'm so sick and tired of Kairi being sidelined.
And knowing Nomura, Kairi's training with Aqua will probably be just a couple of cutscenes while Riku is looking for Sora.
Aqua is an opposite to Kairi in so much as Aqua has ive based powers but Kairi seems to have fire based powers. Also Kairi training under Aqua will balance her more & Expand her abilities
Aqua is more of Water but strangely they keep making her use Ice, in bbs she had one water attack bubble blaster which was her shotlock.
@@aoto8897 Ice is frozen water...
@@TheFixer_1
I know... but sometimes Some like to use ice more then water and some use water more then ice, for example Demyx and Vexen both use water one is normal and the other is just cold water, Aqua in the other hand is supposed to be more in the water side not Ice, but eh no big deal.
Honestly, I feel like hoping for Kairi at this point is futile. How many times have we all been burned? She got a Keyblade in 2, but it didn't amount to much. She already did the training thing, in a hyperbolic time chamber no less, and it amounted to nothing. Then she gets her own side game, but is barely playable and then gets benched. In her own game. Face it, she'll have one good moment in the next climax and then be useless or a flat out impediment the rest of the time as is her usual. Which is a damn shame. Given what she showed in actually pushing back Xemnas and fighting Goatnort, I think she's just suffering imposter syndrome. It's not like Riku's showing in the realm of darkness or really in KH3 in general, inspired much confidence.
The science boys!
i kinda felt like kh3 and kh mom made it seem like sora is on xehanorts level. i mean, im just on some powerscaler nonsense rn... but when i seen kairi change into sora, it made me think that square was saying sora can beat xehanort in a 1v1. when, in my mind,kh mom riku is the strongest guardian of light. I mean, sora couldnt beat terranort. but ill agree with you that square has been doing better with the cutsceen fights
I sincerely advise that you forget about the power scaling in this series, it's just as much a clusterfuck like the story so save yourself the headache.
While I would love to be excited about aqua training Kairi I don't have confidence he'll make it Matter I simply don't trust him he had her train in 3 and he made that not matter so if it didn't matter before why should I believe it this time ?
She DID matter in KH3 though. Just not in the way we wanted/expected.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE I mean her training not Kairis role in the story her training didn't matter in the base game so I have no confidence in beliving it's going to matter in the future because training never matters in Kh it's only an excuse because multiple characters are strong without training
I genuinely have the lowest possible expectations for this supposed "training" from Aqua.
Knowing Nomura, she'll turn out to be an even worse teacher than Yen Sid(who's already garbage-tier, btw).
MMMMMMMMM... OCOTPATH TRAVELLER MUSIC
This video will mean nothing, watch as Nomura offscreens her training with Aqua and then come up with another excuse to bench her while Riku and Sora save the worlds again. While countless KH fans buy his new excuse which will be Kairi didn't train hard enough.
Please don't jinx us. There's plenty folks out here who legit want the best for her😞
Thank you zero, a man reason.
As long as it's not another Rhythm game...
It won’t
I'm sick of this shit. Why does Sora get to get strong all on his own by gaining battle experience, but Kairi gets stuck "training" forever only to never be good enough? Honestly, this bitch never should've gotten a keyblade in the first place if this was what was going to happen.
why does she wears and fight in a short jacket skirt? lol
She has no future. KH3 killed her, and the new game pounded her corpse into paste.
I wasn't completely satisfied with her for this game but I'm not mad by any means that she will be taught by master Aqua! I can't wait for that! 💯
I legitimately have the lowest possible expectations for this supposed "training" from Aqua.