Wow, Jack let's the cat out of the bag and the interviewer changes the subject. "There are people who create chaos so they can be elected to take care of the chaos."
"Order Out of Chaos"....it's a masonic belief, that some believe they must do to re-create society to THEIR perfect utopian society, which they are still doing today......" the one world government, religion, currency". It won't be. According to Biblical prophecy these same people will start world war III, which God Himself will end. Revelations talks about this in detail.
Considering that Wm. F. Buckley (and brother Sen. James Buckely) were both members of SKULL & BONES, that is a very interesting statement. Buckley drove the presidency of Richard Nixon at NATIONAL REVIEW by beating down the conservatives who thought Dick was part of the conspiracy. After the deal he cut with Mao Tse Tung, it appears they were right. GHW Bush became Dick's envoy to China....?
If this is a dismissal of the existence of Coronavirus itself, I disagree with you. But I do agree with Klein and how corporations gain so much from chaos.
@@kamrynm9780 - 11 months later and it's so clear. Huge sign somebody posted in my town, "End the Chaos, Vote Biden", the riots/looting continuing non-stop is the chaos, along with many other things including the response to Corona virus (not necessarily the virus itself, though it too resulted from the same side), the left is the cause, and they are literally saying elect us to end the chaos we created.
@@jrstf An interesting response. Has the looting stopped yet? I'm Canadian and don't follow too much on U.S. politics. Curious though, but how did the left create the chaos of coronavirus? Would the political party in charge of the U.S. government be more responsible for the failures of the COVID response than their political rivals? Or perhaps it would be simply more personal failures in response to the pandemic? Sorry for all of the questions I pose, but I would love to hear back.
Kerouac really hit the nail on the head when he said: “There are people who create chaos so they can be elected to take care of the chaos.” Relative today …March 26, 2024 …as it was in 1970’s.
Indeed. In fact, the whole interview seems to really hinge on when Jack pipes up and says something. Maybe he realized that, and didn't wanna 'play', not really to any meaninful degree. But he was certainly doing a fair amount of listening from what I saw to perhaps see where he might wish to actually contribute to a conversation controlled by the notorious arrogant right wing fanatic, Buckley who in this particular interview curbed himself, to some degree. Buckley, perhaps realizing the delicacy of the subject matter for a youth generation still on the search for meaning in a capitalistic society that smells of rot for most.
@@letthesunshinethru2355 ..good comment.Yes Jack was listening..he was a practicing drunk at this time.He respected sincerity and tried to be real in his comments.But bottom line,Jack wasn’t wealthy,he was always pushing his agent for royalties to come through.He had to support his mother who was disabled.This Big City gig on TV..payed Jack good money,which he truly needed and gave him a social outing,from being stuck back home.For Jack I think the $,etc,was the bottom-line.I can dig that.All the political..counter-culture stuff he became tired with years earlier.Dissafected.
Drunk looks good often enough. It usually depends on what stage in the buzz the drunk is in as well as what stage of their life as a ''drunk'' they are in. To say that drunk people are never entertaining or look cool is insane.
It's really interesting to see how, just like today, people say a whole lot of words but say nothing meaningful at all. Kerouac had the most interesting things to say because he wasn't trying so hard to sound important.
Actually the U.S. armed the Vietnamese ( to the teeth!) after WW2 and gave them the war machinery which they used to defeat the French in '54..It's a long sad and convoluted story but Jack is not far from the truth, albeit cynical.
Bort is still correct; not that Yablonsky didn't sound intelligent, he just sounded dull. Sanders was tormented by earnest intensity, and it was frustrating to watch.
The truth is that all those nice middle-class kids were the guinea pigs and playthings of the deviates of the former generation. Alan Ginsberg was certainly one of them. At first, they laughed at the kids that came to see them read poetry and drink Red Mountain Burgundy in North Beach dives or at the City Lights Bookstore, but the girls were so cute and fresh that they decided to encourage them, calling them "hippies," sort of junior hipsters. And that is where the term originated. Yes, I knew some of them and have some of the original source materials.
This program aired on September 4, 1968. It is the original Firing Line and has nothing to do with that CNN trash show. It was the longest running public affairs show in the history of PBS. Buckley and Kerouac had been friends since their college days, even though they went to different ones. It was the last time Kerouac was on a TV show. He made few appearances in his life. In total he made only five appearances on TV. The professor is Lewis Yablonsky, who wrote the book, "The Hippie Trip". For reasons unknown after the show concluded, Kerouac attempted to attack Ed Sanders as they were exiting the studio.. He was stopped by several people from doing real damage. Within a year after his appearance on Firing Line, Jack Kerouac died of internal hemorrhaging due to chronic alcohol abuse on October 21, 1969.
Jack Kerouac was a product of counter culture of his time...he wrote what he saw...his chemical refreshment got the best of him at the end...if he was more of a sober character in life, he would have been better off. Love his books.
Great writers help create their time, or more precisely, great artists create the time that comes during and after their time. The argument that an artist is the product of her/ his time is one that discounts art's influence on the times altogether. It robs the artist of all agency.
@@jd35711I agree with you. The whole point of Jack's existence was to live automatically. I doubt he could have done that sober. Without the drinking, smoking and drug use- he wouldn't be himself.
Jack is too funny. He didn't give a damn about hippies or liberal or conservative. Jack liked to explore the world in his own way without labels. It's the hippies who took to Jack because of his writing. Jack's close friend and fellow traveler Neal Cassidy was the man who dug the hippies, the magic bus, LSD and young hippie chicks.
That is why I respect him and Jim Morrison. I grew up looking up to the hippies. But I finally found out they're like everyone else. Flawed. As an individualist, you are responsible for your own works, be they good or otherwise. Be your own archetype. Labels confine, works define.
Jackturned very sour as he got older and further down the bottle...fame did not sit well with him but he left us a wonderful legacy of prose n poetry ..tender enlightening inspiring and entertaining
Buckley always drove me up a wall. He was all head and no heart. He seemed to approach life this way. A worshipper of the intellect. He came across, at least to me, as not a fully developed individual. I got the distinct feeling he postured a lot. But then, those were the times - men were taught to suppress feelings very early in life.
i agree, the greatest men have open hearts and minds, not in some "acting feminine" way but in the sense that they've opened up to the existential pain of life, and that is the braver route. all great art/progress comes from opening up and taking in all the pain and all the emotions.
William F. Buckley Jr. is a DOUCHEBAG. He's a pretentious racist who wants to be intellectual. Just watch him debate James Baldwin at Oxford. I think it was 1964. He failed miserably
BINGO ! Though I feel you're holding back and being too kind. He was an instrument, not as blunt as some of the current ones, but an instrument none the less.
I've seen this interview many times. Jack Kerouac was one of my heroes when I was a kid. I read On the Road when I was 14 & it changed my life. Through on the road I went on to discover the beat writers and then Kesey and the Merry Pranksters, Haight-Ashbury, and the Grateful Dead - all of these events that add let up to the time right before I was born in '72. I was completely enraptured buy all of it. I saw that it got really out of hand when the Height Ashbury scene became nationally known and all of a sudden every middle-class brat in the country converged on San Francisco. I can understand Jack's frustration at this time. This interview, and reading a lot about Jack's experiences and frustration with the hippies and all that has really helped me come to terms with my own thoughts and feelings about the progression of those ideas going back to that time and leading up to now when my youthful naive idealism is rapidly disappearing in the rearview mirror, and I am faced with a world that appears to be falling apart around us because of many of the ideas and movements that began then. I've become very much more conservative, and I was afraid that I would lose interest in, lose touch with, or have to let go of these things that I have always loved so much and found so much hope & inspiration in. It was Jack Kerouac's writing, along with Cassidy's antics, Kesey's bus & acid tests, The Deads music, informed a lot of my view of the world. The hippies took everything that was truthful and beautiful about what was happening up to the point of the Haight and turned it into something pretty ugly. I don't think that the truth and beauty is gone forever, I think those things are still around and still accessible, but much less noticeable.
Nice response, indeed , the combination of the bus, riding through West America and giving LSD to people who wanted it , that created a whole movement on the westcoast. In New York Lou Reed and Hard drugs like Heroin, cocaine, etc. created a different kind of music. Humanity has been using drugs as long as it exists. just like alcohol. You can drink yourself into the grave but you cant smoke a joint... ridiculous.
All four of those men proved anyone can show up in public and be accepted as representative of a group of people and the concepts they purportedly live by. Everybody should come to understand and accept that everyone else is just making it all up.
@@unclebennyscreepycampfires6828 Expertise is built on a foundation of evidence. A lot of evidence. There's also comparative analysis. Why is one person an expert while another person isn't? There is criteria set in place to identify competencies. This is part of the transmission of skills and knowledge that is an integral part of culture.
@@randolphpinkle4482correct, but where that system falls apart is when we the laymen have no way to check the so called experts for their qualification and no immediate in hand evidence...in 99.9 percent of cases of citizen dissent, it always comes down to being redirected back to just taking the authorities word for it and no one will question much, no matter how obvious the cognitive dissonance for fear of looking stupid. A person can take only so much humiliation and mockery before they finally submit to Orwell's idea of Doublethink, and even though we know the experts either don't know or are lying, we tell ourselves we must remain functioning members of society so we ignore the issue altogether, or pretend we can ignore it. The paradox is that this way of thinking and doing things will inevitably keep us stupid and completely helpless to the conspiring powers that be. I think this state of retardation we're under is referred to as learned helplessness. ...just take the 9/11 commission for example, we all know how questionable (putting it lightly) the report by the NIST was but no one can do anything because there is no easy course of action for us whenever these duplicitous experts fail us on the most basic levels. They can actually get away with murder by the rule of "what are you gonna do about it"
Growing up in the North San Fernando Valley I was surprised to hear 0:38 San Fernando College, Had to look it up But turns out that College changed its name to CSUN/Cal Sate Northridge. These old videos really do show us so much & are unbelievably important to the history of our country! Thank you so much for taking the time to Post these videos!!
Born in '52, I knew the 60s firsthand. From my point of view a hippie was a hip person. Someone who was 'hip' to all the dirty underpinnings of our society. They wanted love not war. They wanted to get back to our basics. I think it was a glimpse into our better future.
It was just another shit show of young people who think they know better than those that came before. Your movement sold out like everyone does if they live long enough.
Keroak was such a sad alcoholic at the end. He had invited William S, Burroughs to go on the show with him, but Burroughs sensibly said: "No jack, I want no part of this, you are too drunk." Which is kind of sad, because Burroughs was sort of a dark mirror to Buckley, a brilliant, an older, Harvard educated guy from a wealthy who wore a suit and talked in a drawn-out voice, Also an anarchistic gay junky who wrote really freaky stuff.
@@mrsmagoo5710 some neurosurgeon said that. But unless Jack Kerouac kept daily, detailed journals, his memory, as shown in his story-telling, was impeccable. This is not the case with CTE. He was probably more affected by very heavy alcohol use, which is also associated with impulse control problems, aggression, mood swings, and "crazy talk." Few people can comprehend how much alcohol that man put away in his lifetime.
To Jack Kerouac. "A wise man knows what to say yet a Wiser Man knows when to say it". alcohol is such a shit drug. But thank you, Mr Hoffman, for posting this. so sad Alcoholism destroyed the mind of a wiser man and made him less than wise.
And you are absolutely right. I might add that alcohol is the worst drug of them all. It does the most damage and it has the worst effects. Yet it is sold, legally, in every street corner. But I have to give it to the elite who control us, it is the perfect drug for the sheeple: it enhances and complements their innate stupidity...
You live in a world of little slots and boxes people must be put in. Everyone must be diagnosed and givin a pill, an avalanche of dead never born clinical language to ''treat'' their ''condition''. Who is it you, me and everyone is talking about? Alcohol is the very best vehicle all the rest break down barely out of the gate. ''So sad'' take your cheap ineffectual pseudo sadness and wallow in it. Then see who talks about you. I of course would be remiss if I did not mention how excruciatingly predictable and unoriginal your obedience is.
@@MrGiorgioud In vino veritas that's ancient wisdom. ''Sheeple'' ''innate stupidity'' Just all the greatest poets, writers, musicians and philosophers through out time. But who are they to argue with the likes of you? A damaged specimen who can not lift them selves above their personal story long enough to get any other idea of the world other than your pinhole view. And then there's the lies the monumental lies. People can drink everyday with little to no ill effect. In fact the majority of people who drink do so without ruining their lives. Unruined lives that span decade upon decade of happily imbibing. But you insist that the guy shooting meth and Heroin speedballs is better off. Lousy people are lousy drunks. It takes character to hold your liqueur as they say. If one lacks what it takes to drink like a decent human being just imagine how fast they would go down smoking crack, shooting speedballs or doing meth. ''Alcohol is the worst drug of them all'' Wildly absurd!
Or hear him. On the Road book was arguably the most influential artwork of the 20th century, when you consider its influence on Dylan, The Doors, Ken Kesey, basically the entire subculture that arose ten years after. I think Kerouac in his brilliance understood it all and, the true Catholic, felt guilty about some of the resultant extremities. Perhaps pathetic here, but really a complex, conflicted man which in a way makes him all the more interesting.
Well, he told the truth about the fact that a lot of his crowd were "hoodlums". Cassaday certainly was. Thief, hustler, con man, etc. Perceived as an artist, given wide latitude. Kicks on benzedrine the norm. The first hippies were pretty innocent and naive, open, loving and kind. That only lasted a relatively short time. Things got really hairy in 68. Changed everything.
William F. Buckley Jr certainly had a strange style of delivery. To this day he still sounds to me like a parody of a high snob, or maybe a flaming gay man. Why did he talk that way?
I have known quite a few sons-of-wealth snobs, and they do have a certain way of talking, but I have never heard anyone speak with drawn-out syllables in that pause-filled way as Buckley did.
I am familiar with the accent you refer to as transatlantic. I believe it was taught to many actors. Although that accent contributes to the drama and interest of Buckley's speech, it is not the characteristic I am emphasizing. I am talking about the drawn-out syllables and extended pauses he used. Often they were ironic in tone, a way of putting quotes around something he wished to question or ridicule. There is an example from about 0:01 to 0:03 on this video, when Buckley refers to "the hippies" as follows: (pause) theee (pause) hiippiees (pause). Buckley uses the drawn-out syllables and pauses to convey a witchy mixture of disgust, ridicule, incredulity and disdain.
This was back in the day when there were TV intellectual celebrities. Like everyone on TV it was useful to have a persona for marketing one's self, in Buckley's case as "the intellectual" (as opposed to "the leading man" or "the tough guy", etc.). So Buckley's a bit over the top with his Ivy League upper-class snob thing. Gore Vidal had an exaggerated patrician delivery also, though not as broad as Buckley. Norman Mailer never could figure out whether he supposed to be "the intellectual" or "the tough guy".
"ipi, or hipi, in Maori dialect was the word for sheep. I started with local New Zealand gurus- and then began to read Kerouac. There were different clans and strands of Hippy life. familiar to most people. I was anti-drug- pro- natural illumination. Growing up in rural poverty- a lot of the 60-70's lifestyle have some familiar notes. I was not an urban middle class escapee. Many of my friends were smack users [heroin] and not a few were prostitutes. I was politically active, at a local level and still am. I promote personal gentleness. Our current leader Jacinda Adern promotes the idea of kindness. This weekend i will have to opportunity to meet her- and maybe be able to exchange a few words with her. In the 70's I had long hair and dressed in rags. Today I am a grandfather of 6 beautiful kids.
It takes all kinds. Not sure why main stream media has to pigeon hole everyone. And most if not all people goes thru a phase of discovery. It looks like what hippis did. It's just what happens a lot. Like my mom told me in 1986, "You guys didn't invent sex, your Dad and I invented sex in 1954." Lol what she meant is every 16 yo thinks they just invented sex, drugs, and out there lifestyles. Pretty sure nothing new under the sun.
😂 the part about sheep made me laugh so hard I cried. I thought this was from West African language, hipikat meaning in the know, or knowing what's current. Great comment man
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Ardern is only kind to those who obey. She is a WEF stooge.
Closest thing I see to this kind of respectful conversation among those with social and political differences is/was the discussion on Maher’s show. Before Covid. 2020 seems to have squashed it entirely.
@@zachmorley158 Maher is a hypocritical grifter. Plenty of info about his disingenuous shift out there to validate this. The conservatives have successfully “owned the libs”…destroyed democracy….the Supreme Court has gone rogue and defied our constitution. It’s inconceivable to me that the red scare has been recirculated, reinvented, redistributed and people that consume conservative media are buying it somehow. It was propaganda then and it’s propaganda now. Corporations, Christianity, and corruption rule. The strong eat the weak. The worser of the evils go the extra mile to retain power and feed their greed. The more corrupt the party, the more corrupt they are. They are willing to cheat in ways The lesser of the evils isn’t. Empathy and caring for others is the values we need to survive. We need to protect each other..black, white, Gay, straight, trans, binary, non-binary, cis, men, women, children..instead of feeding into the Hate being pushed by MSM and politicians. We are Supposed to be able to Speak to power and critique our government without being demonized or “othered” - divided along the lines of identity- and thus an easily identifiable enemy has been constructed to for perpetual exploitation and to protect the status quo. I feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for letting me share. Let’s do better.
Kerouac is a genius. His insight is so far beyond most poor fools. Despite being drunk out of his mind. He and his contemporaries like Hunter understood what was happening, and most of its materialised. Smart, funny, crazy people. And Mr Yablonski sounds like one of the cops from Fear and Loathing. ‘She must’ve had one hell of a trip!’
jack's words had come to hold such weight to many that he forgot the graceful art of talking less, listening more--he looks & sounds very modern, like people who live to trigger others online . . .
Actually, Jack handed each of the other buffoons their asses. He is the smartest guy up there, despite their pomposity. And everyone up there deserved a medal for not smacking Buckley upside his head.
Reminds me for all the world of my WVA cousins: All intelligent, all good-looking, all alcoholics, and all dead now, at a young age too. They even dressed like Jack into the early 2000s.
I love your tee slogan. As an old-er hippie, still on the wrong road, never having been The Real Me- as a film maker you must be familiar with that sort of chat- I was abused by 3 VERY significant individuals, and never really was able to grow up, thereby forging a career was difficult. One of The Fugs- Ed Sanders? I still listen to them regularly kind of denigrated my lifestyle- I didn't lay around naked in public engaged in some sort of sexual activity! I didn't even smoke much weed. The clothing initially attracted me, but I am not that shallow nor were my friends. George Carlin, RIP buddy used to kid about the inane labels Time Magazine was inclined to toss about and stick on anything or anybody, not an arch-conservative- "the counter-culture " I love that one, made me feel like I was a stale doughnut on Kresges lunch bar. Or one of those tacky doll-cakes, you know a cheap Barbie doll, with a Scarlett O'Hara full, tulle skirt. I am not old enough to have known any Beatniks but there was animosity between the two groups- I imagine a well educated man like yourself who has traveled around as a film maker would know more about that. My image of a beatnik was Maynard from the TV show, Dobie Gillis and I emulated him as a kid. The overly long Ecuadorian sweaters and barefeet fit with hippie clothing. Kind of funny to me now because some people still see a guy with a ponytail and ask "are you a folk musician?" Where is this going? Nowhere. If you met me you'd see a severely depressed, in therapy, woman who loathes being over 40 and still feels like a teenager and is waiting...Namaste Z ( I have enjoyed the films of yours I've watched- I detested William F. Buckley- we had a nick name for him! the tongue! he made my skin crawl then as now. Right out of Lolita and SO pretentious- there are many other professional intellectuals who aren't so egoiste- though a Canadian who lived in Montreal, I don't speak French!
That's Lewis (not Ed) Yablonsky, a sociologist, who in 1968 published a book called "The Hippie Trip" which garnered good reviews from the likes of the NY Times, which is why he's on this particular panel.
I considered myself a hippie for a couple of years in the early 70’s and experimented with drugs including LSD, but drug experiences were always negative to me. At 17 I had a 12 hour “mystical experience” after reading a Buddhist text and Buddhism led me to reject drugs. By the time I was a senior in high school I felt disillusioned with the hippie movement which I felt was ruined by the drugs and I just wanted to “get my shit together”. I read Kerouac in college and loved “On the Road”, and crossed paths with Ginsberg who was a fellow student of Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. I eventually converted to the Eastern Orthodox Church and traditionalist values. I now suspect that the hippie movement was co-opted by satanist globalist elite’s and that the CIA manipulated the movement to create social chaos, corruption, conflict, dissolution, and collapse in order to create a globalist fascist elite hegemony of evil which ties into what Jack was saying. I wish Buckley had just interviewed Jack on this topic.
Jack K is an example of what happens when a knowledgable persona [disconnected from the control of the soul], heads "inevitably" into a downward spiral. So much pomposity and hubris and general disdain for the wisdom of others. His whole body language, along with his self abuse with alcohol and cigarette's show's the self-loathing his persona actually felt about itself.
Hated the whole shit that people tried to pin on him making him out to be the guru. No he was a pisshead a Catholic a mummy's boy an arsehole a great writer
I agree his drinking was inappropriate. His loathing was for the B.S. he knew was at the core of the existing status quo and its reluctance to admit it.
Fascinating discussion. I was a fan of the Fugs in the late 1960s but never realized back then how intelligent and articulate Ed Sanders was. It makes perfect sense to me now, in retrospect. I suppose the Fugs' kind of creative iconoclasm is possible without great intelligence, but can be so much more effective when it comes from a clear, brilliant mind. I feel the same about the work of the late, great Frank Zappa. Not that either Zappa or Sanders were hippies (Sanders himself denies being a hippy in this forum, and Zappa studiously avoided drug use), but they were both quite popular among the hippies I knew in the late 1960s and early 1970s. That's probably because they remembered what the dormouse said: "Feed your head."
I found Kerouac to be the least interesting one on the panel. Seemingly overrated. Some may find his ramblings profound. I found him a rude, boorish and annoying drunk. He's the type that ends up in a bar fight for popping off in a bar.
Kerouac wasn't just drunk he was also HIGH on marijuana which he hadn't smoked in a very long time until he did it with Ginsberg and Burroughs before the start of the show.
If anyone here is familiar with Joe Frank's shows, you may remember that, every once in a while, he would have a mock panel of three or four circle-jerkers like these guys, saying the most insane, inane things, but in a perfectly straight manner as if they were on the PBS News Hour. Like an SNL sketch, but usually better.
@@FightingForFacts7074 I think you're in luck. Thirty years ago, you had to get his shows on tape. For a couple hundred episodes (of several radio shows, actually), this was not exactly cheap, or convenient. Later, they started making the collections available for download. I don't know how it is now but, at one time, if you really were Frankly nuts, you could make a, er, donation of, I think, something like $2000, and get an iPod with all the shows loaded on it! I don't know where this stands now, but I don't get the impression they've ever seen the shows as a source of private profit, since AFAIK they were all funded through NPR and/or KCRW. So as the technology improves and distribution can be done more cheaply, you might be able to get some really big bang now for your entertainment bucks. As you probably know, about three years ago Joe passed on to the Great Studio In The Sky, but foefrank.com is still online and, at first glance, it looks about the same, so you should certainly check it out.
Jack Kerouac is a beat generation author and genius ❤, he had habits for sure but he wrote the great American novel without even trying so let’s be real. Give the man his credit.
Uet the things they say are still mostly empty imo. A very inconclusive conversation that mostly seemed to center around paintong hippies and drunken violent idiots. Really ugly I think.
Anyone really; interested in learning more about the conditions that allowed such a disjointed round table discussion of "hippy" would be interested perhaps in reading "Acid Dreams - The Complete Social History of LSD, the CIA, the Sixties, and Beyond," by Lee and Schlain.
Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac were "Beatniks" .... of the "Beat Generation" of the late '50s. I was too young (8 or 9) to understand them, although I do remember them. The "Hippies" were of my generation of the late '60s. As I recall, they began as the 'flower children' during the 1967 "Summer of Love" and by 1969 were following Timothy Leary's admonition of "Tuning in, turning on and dropping out" (of society). That meant living in communes somewhere far away from the rest of society. This attitude and life style - disenfranchisement with social norms - characterized both Beatniks and Hippies.
am i wrong in thinking of 'beatniks' as 'princepts pants' & sharp pointy glasses?? i remember them, too, when i was borne--although i know i'm only talking about clothing. a goatee beard, & i also think of people in the background of the 'rosemary baby' movie. i was bourne in 1970, there were tons of older people my mom was friends w/& i remember seeing them @ our 'parties!' we lit some brass brazier & everyone drank cocktails, ate stuff. that scene wrapped up really quickly, watergate happened & all those people disappeared, everything changed & no one like that was ever around at all anymore . . .
Nobody got it. Lots of hippies didn't even get it. "IT" was too fluid, everchanging, bending in the wind. The sociologist actually came close to describing the general terms. But the hippies were supplanted by the anti war movement, "freaks" of all types, then came heavy metal, goths, bikers, creeps of all descriptions. Kerouac was a mess here, on his last legs, totally dissipated. Buckley, of course, is his usual upper class snob. His coin of trade is disdain.
This is a year before Jack died. The ravages of alcoholism have surely taken their toll, but he’s still sharp. I learned recently that the army classified him as having Schizotypal personality disorder which is interesting to think about while viewing him here.
The army classifies people as having schizo disorders with great abuse, often prescribing that to perfectly sane persons, if they choose to opt out of service. It's a form of sabotage. I don't know the context of this classification, but if it has something to do with him choosing to opt out of military duty, then it is likely the case, as misdiagnosing people as insane is standard practice of retribution.
So, I had to look it up, as I myself am enlisting. Apparently, he volunteered into the Navy Reserve, then was sent to "the sick bay", according to "archives.gov". It sounds to me like he changed his mind and they gave him the standard misdiagnosis treatment. They do this not only for retribution, but they do this to ensure enlisters do not waste their time by trying to re-enlist only for this to happen again. To put something like "I don't like the leadership here", if that was his genuine reason, then that would be to admit there may be a valid complaint. False authorities have a hard time admitting their abuse, and often seek false authority in order to abuse, so, I think this context is important. I think Kerouac simply changed his mind, and they misclassified him for the reasons stated above.
Kerouac worked for his alcoholism. Once he discovered he was a typer (not a writer), he drank himself into stupidity, hatred and death. He failed despite his promising journalistic start. Sad story, repeated endlessly.
I’m a big admirer of Kerouac. And despite his drunkenness, sometimes it’s good to see somebody in this stage because the honesty does come out. Jack struggled with booze as many of us have/do. I really enjoyed his books “The Subterraneans”, “On The Road” and I’m about to read “Big Sur”. I think it was Ginsberg that said: “Jack was never taken seriously when he was alive”. I also like Buckley (in certain doses). As literate as he was, I feel that he just couldn’t help himself and had a lifelong tendency to be a rather smug elitist. Fantastic television nonetheless.
What you say about Kerouac is true but, as a fan of his oeuvre, I have to say that this Buckley clip has always embarrassed me. The man is just hammered here. And it's sad in an immediate way: he is ill-behaved, ungentlemanly, unloving (!), slovenly, myopic, reactionary, and makes precious little sense whenever he speaks in this particular forum (and certainly not when he makes a fool of himself by raspberrying the other panelists). Just embarrassing. (Everyone in his life at this time saw the same thing, on and on; and then he died.)
I believe the "original" hippies were people of substance in that they had a vision that most people couldn't accept. Young people are always following the crowd that sets them apart so when hippies started showing up in the 60's, they liked the long hair, the clothes, the defiance of authority so they imitated it, especially the hair and clothes. They wanted to be "hip".it was very superficial. Pop culture eventually absorbed the hippies, and commercialism used the hippie look to sell clothes and hair products and styles. By the early 70s any person with long hair and funky threads would be labeled a hippie.
At 19:13 he's lying. "I went to 'around' four." Uhm.. IF you went to three, you remember three. If you went to four, you remember four. You remember where they all were, and don't have a need to ramble on about unimportant details. He's making it up as he goes along.
Kerouac here did not make me regret not reading his works. The douche on the end, talking like "hippie" has no meaning, is like Gerald Nadler and ChatGPT saying ANTIFA has no meaning
High school class of 1975 . Long hair , rock music and relaxed dress codes were pretty much the norm . The hippy identity or label became irrelevant . The entire nation was in recovery of a recent turmoiltuous past . We may have been even optimistic about the future.
People on the comments here don't seem to understand his story.....he didn't become and aged alcoholic...he decided to drink himself to death years before, he told people this. What you're seeing is a slow suicide.
I’m from Lowell Mass and it’s sad to hear some of the stories about what Kerouac would do to get a drink at the local watering hole…near the end of his life he was a full blown alcoholic.
Very strange surprising there's only 20 some odd thousand views on this subject I mean who wouldn't want to hear Jack Kerouac pontificate on the subject transitional people from beatniks two hippies.
As always Buckley is overly rational to the point of silliness as is the professor. Kerouac is in bad shape, drunk and rude and soon to die of a stomach hemorrhage brought on by his drinking. Still he makes some wonderful points as does Sanders. The hippies were an unfocused social movement that was looking for an alternative to the dominant culture of materialism and war. It didn't have any sort of program or definition except the traditional American values of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I've watched this before and it is painful to watch. Kerouac didn't enjoy media interviews and it is easy to see why. He was a deeply troubled and beautiful soul, full of pain, anguish and a search for transcendence.
It wasnt the Hippy itself. It was what Jack saw was being attatched to him under the current fads. However many people had a problem with many of the scuzzy hippies. Including Jerry Garcia who resented the fkn bums not wanting to pay for his shows. Jim Morrison didnt respect the way the movements were going either and thought they were ridiculous. Even Jimmy Hendrix made a statement in the movie Rainbow Bridge where he stood, by shooting a hippy dead. Jerkoffs looking back at the 60s thinking everybody was all the same , full of drugs, full of hair and full of s##, are simply kidding themselves. Many people as they rode the wave of the 60s started to become increasingly aware of their Patriotism and in Jack's case his identity as a Conservative Catholic despite his semi wild ride. People that dont read shouldnt be researching either this time or the characters. Ive been looking at some of this generations attempt at looking at the movie A Clockwork Orange for example and they dont have a clue who Anthony Burgess was or what his intentions were. We are talking about a dumbed down generation told to go watch a movie and write what they used to call a book report about it. However if you are looking for a famous Hard Core Drunk Writer, try Charles Bukowski on for size. But if nobody is going to learn how to train themself to appreciate reading you should just leave it alone.Maybe Im wrong. I dunno.
I admired Buckley, although I was on the opposite side politically. I trusted his National Review magazine to present intellectual conservatism. His publication forced me to be able to intelligently rebut the arguments conservatives made on various issues of the day. He did have a sense of humor and tossed off some wickedly clever puns. His Firing Line program represented some of the best programming in an era when sober discussion was still valued. Many of his shows pitted able debaters against one another to give two, three, four sides of an issue. Thank goodness there were people like Gore Vidal on the left to counter Buckley. I read Kerouac's novels, of course. He was a unique literary voice for his generation.
Wow, Jack let's the cat out of the bag and the interviewer changes the subject. "There are people who create chaos so they can be elected to take care of the chaos."
"Order Out of Chaos"....it's a masonic belief, that some believe they must do to re-create society to THEIR perfect utopian society, which they are still doing today......" the one world government, religion, currency". It won't be. According to Biblical prophecy these same people will start world war III, which God Himself will end. Revelations talks about this in detail.
Considering that Wm. F. Buckley (and brother Sen. James Buckely) were both members of SKULL & BONES, that is a very interesting statement. Buckley drove the presidency of Richard Nixon at NATIONAL REVIEW by beating down the conservatives who thought Dick was part of the conspiracy. After the deal he cut with Mao Tse Tung, it appears they were right. GHW Bush became Dick's envoy to China....?
If this is a dismissal of the existence of Coronavirus itself, I disagree with you. But I do agree with Klein and how corporations gain so much from chaos.
@@kamrynm9780 - 11 months later and it's so clear. Huge sign somebody posted in my town, "End the Chaos, Vote Biden", the riots/looting continuing non-stop is the chaos, along with many other things including the response to Corona virus (not necessarily the virus itself, though it too resulted from the same side), the left is the cause, and they are literally saying elect us to end the chaos we created.
@@jrstf An interesting response. Has the looting stopped yet? I'm Canadian and don't follow too much on U.S. politics. Curious though, but how did the left create the chaos of coronavirus? Would the political party in charge of the U.S. government be more responsible for the failures of the COVID response than their political rivals? Or perhaps it would be simply more personal failures in response to the pandemic? Sorry for all of the questions I pose, but I would love to hear back.
Kerouac really hit the nail on the head when he said:
“There are people who create chaos so they can be elected to take care of the chaos.”
Relative today …March 26, 2024 …as it was in 1970’s.
You are delusional.
Voting for an Orange convicted #SexAbuser & Felon to fix a system he benefits from is a glaring example.
60s
50’s
Being drunk doesn't look good on anyone. But every once in a while during this interview, Jack Kerouac does share something pretty interesting.
Indeed. In fact, the whole interview seems to really hinge on when Jack pipes up and says something. Maybe he realized that, and didn't wanna 'play', not really to any meaninful degree. But he was certainly doing a fair amount of listening from what I saw to perhaps see where he might wish to actually contribute to a conversation controlled by the notorious arrogant right wing fanatic, Buckley who in this particular interview curbed himself, to some degree. Buckley, perhaps realizing the delicacy of the subject matter for a youth generation still on the search for meaning in a capitalistic society that smells of rot for most.
@@letthesunshinethru2355 ..good comment.Yes Jack was listening..he was a practicing drunk at this time.He respected sincerity and tried to be real in his comments.But bottom line,Jack wasn’t wealthy,he was always pushing his agent for royalties to come through.He had to support his mother who was disabled.This Big City gig on TV..payed Jack good money,which he truly needed and gave him a social outing,from being stuck back home.For Jack I think the $,etc,was the bottom-line.I can dig that.All the political..counter-culture stuff he became tired with years earlier.Dissafected.
Drunk looks good often enough. It usually depends on what stage in the buzz the drunk is in as well as what stage of their life as a ''drunk'' they are in. To say that drunk people are never entertaining or look cool is insane.
Bukowski did drunk well.
There are different kinds of drunks... perhaps he is a "Hemingway drunk". look it up.
It's really interesting to see how, just like today, people say a whole lot of words but say nothing meaningful at all. Kerouac had the most interesting things to say because he wasn't trying so hard to sound important.
Bort He sounded drunk. His Vietnam comment was that of a 16 year old trying to be clever.
Actually the U.S. armed the Vietnamese ( to the teeth!) after WW2 and gave them the war machinery which they used to defeat the French in '54..It's a long sad and convoluted story but Jack is not far from the truth, albeit cynical.
Bort is still correct; not that Yablonsky didn't sound intelligent, he just sounded dull. Sanders was tormented by earnest intensity, and it was frustrating to watch.
No, Kerouac was just drunk.
The world is old and wise. I am tired of my eyes . A man can die of the blues. Even the ''MEXICO CITY BLUES''. Rest in peace Jack.
"I cannot use your abuse, you may have it back"
Jack Kerouac
I must remember that line. I have lived with abuse for the greater part of my tortured life.
😂
The truth is that all those nice middle-class kids were the guinea pigs and playthings of the deviates of the former generation. Alan Ginsberg was certainly one of them. At first, they laughed at the kids that came to see them read poetry and drink Red Mountain Burgundy in North Beach dives or at the City Lights Bookstore, but the girls were so cute and fresh that they decided to encourage them, calling them "hippies," sort of junior hipsters. And that is where the term originated. Yes, I knew some of them and have some of the original source materials.
This program aired on September 4, 1968. It is the original Firing Line and has nothing to do with that CNN trash show. It was the longest running public affairs show in the history of PBS. Buckley and Kerouac had been friends since their college days, even though they went to different ones. It was the last time Kerouac was on a TV show. He made few appearances in his life. In total he made only five appearances on TV.
The professor is Lewis Yablonsky, who wrote the book, "The Hippie Trip". For reasons unknown after the show concluded, Kerouac attempted to attack Ed Sanders as they were exiting the studio.. He was stopped by several people from doing real damage.
Within a year after his appearance on Firing Line, Jack Kerouac died of internal hemorrhaging due to chronic alcohol abuse on October 21, 1969.
How very sad.
Can't believe this is what my grandparents may have watched on television. Hell! They were cooler than I'll ever be!
A sad day.
So? He DID IT HIS WAY. You? Back to licking BOOTS. How's that HYPOCRISY TASTING!? He's a FU**ing LEGEND. That's all
The amount of intelligence in this program is unimaginable on network tv today. Our society has really gone down the toilet.
Jack Kerouac was a product of counter culture of his time...he wrote what he saw...his chemical refreshment got the best of him at the end...if he was more of a sober character in life, he would have been better off. Love his books.
He wasn't a product of the counter culture of his time. He......and his closest friends......WAS the counter culture.
if he had been more of a sober character he may have written books, but he certainly wouldn't have written anything resembling ~those~ books.
@@frequentlycynical642 The beats founded it.
Great writers help create their time, or more precisely, great artists create the time that comes during and after their time. The argument that an artist is the product of her/ his time is one that discounts art's influence on the times altogether. It robs the artist of all agency.
@@jd35711I agree with you. The whole point of Jack's existence was to live automatically. I doubt he could have done that sober. Without the drinking, smoking and drug use- he wouldn't be himself.
Jack is too funny. He didn't give a damn about hippies or liberal or conservative. Jack liked to explore the world in his own way without labels. It's the hippies who took to Jack because of his writing. Jack's close friend and fellow traveler Neal Cassidy was the man who dug the hippies, the magic bus, LSD and young hippie chicks.
That is why I respect him and Jim Morrison. I grew up looking up to the hippies. But I finally found out they're like everyone else. Flawed. As an individualist, you are responsible for your own works, be they good or otherwise. Be your own archetype. Labels confine, works define.
Jack is not “too funny” he’s “too drunk”
Jackturned very sour as he got older and further down the bottle...fame did not sit well with him but he left us a wonderful legacy of prose n poetry ..tender enlightening inspiring and entertaining
Buckley always drove me up a wall. He was all head and no heart. He seemed to approach life this way. A worshipper of the intellect. He came across, at least to me, as not a fully developed individual. I got the distinct feeling he postured a lot. But then, those were the times - men were taught to suppress feelings very early in life.
i agree, the greatest men have open hearts and minds, not in some "acting feminine" way but in the sense that they've opened up to the existential pain of life, and that is the braver route. all great art/progress comes from opening up and taking in all the pain and all the emotions.
Buckley was a moron. All posturing.
William F. Buckley Jr. is a DOUCHEBAG. He's a pretentious racist who wants to be intellectual. Just watch him debate James Baldwin at Oxford. I think it was 1964. He failed miserably
BINGO !
Though I feel you're holding back and being too kind. He was an instrument, not as blunt as some of the current ones, but an instrument none the less.
Some people have no soul
Thank you for your years of incredible work David , this is so interesting.
I've seen this interview many times. Jack Kerouac was one of my heroes when I was a kid. I read On the Road when I was 14 & it changed my life. Through on the road I went on to discover the beat writers and then Kesey and the Merry Pranksters, Haight-Ashbury, and the Grateful Dead - all of these events that add let up to the time right before I was born in '72. I was completely enraptured buy all of it. I saw that it got really out of hand when the Height Ashbury scene became nationally known and all of a sudden every middle-class brat in the country converged on San Francisco. I can understand Jack's frustration at this time. This interview, and reading a lot about Jack's experiences and frustration with the hippies and all that has really helped me come to terms with my own thoughts and feelings about the progression of those ideas going back to that time and leading up to now when my youthful naive idealism is rapidly disappearing in the rearview mirror, and I am faced with a world that appears to be falling apart around us because of many of the ideas and movements that began then. I've become very much more conservative, and I was afraid that I would lose interest in, lose touch with, or have to let go of these things that I have always loved so much and found so much hope & inspiration in. It was Jack Kerouac's writing, along with Cassidy's antics, Kesey's bus & acid tests, The Deads music, informed a lot of my view of the world.
The hippies took everything that was truthful and beautiful about what was happening up to the point of the Haight and turned it into something pretty ugly. I don't think that the truth and beauty is gone forever, I think those things are still around and still accessible, but much less noticeable.
Very well said.
Sounds a lot like my own journey too. I like that....
My parents had Woodstock, and my generation had Occupy Wall Street.
Nice response, indeed , the combination of the bus, riding through West America and giving LSD to people who wanted it , that created a whole movement on the westcoast.
In New York Lou Reed and Hard drugs like Heroin, cocaine, etc. created a different kind of music. Humanity has been using drugs as long as it exists. just like alcohol.
You can drink yourself into the grave but you cant smoke a joint... ridiculous.
YESH !
All those hippies turned into Baby Boomer Trumpster dumpsters. Facts.
@@RolandWieffering1 Alcohol *is* one of those drugs; probably the most destructive one.
Jack may be drunk but his wit is razor sharp!
Really like. JACK
Yep screw all these people leaping to say ''oh it's so sad'' He would be nowhere if he had lived the life of a teetotaler
A drunk with wit. You can find one of those on every street corner.
odiously a Hemingway drunk
Self centered, disrespectful drunk.
Kerouac: "I was arrested 2 weeks ago, and the arresting officer said 'I/m arresting you for decay'."
Buckley: "I assume he was able to prove it..."
These two were priceless!
All four of those men proved anyone can show up in public and be accepted as representative of a group of people and the concepts they purportedly live by. Everybody should come to understand and accept that everyone else is just making it all up.
Essentially correct… everything is opinion, even expertise.
@@unclebennyscreepycampfires6828 but that's just your opinion
but that's just my opinion
@@unclebennyscreepycampfires6828 Expertise is built on a foundation of evidence. A lot of evidence. There's also comparative analysis. Why is one person an expert while another person isn't? There is criteria set in place to identify competencies. This is part of the transmission of skills and knowledge that is an integral part of culture.
@@randolphpinkle4482correct, but where that system falls apart is when we the laymen have no way to check the so called experts for their qualification and no immediate in hand evidence...in 99.9 percent of cases of citizen dissent, it always comes down to being redirected back to just taking the authorities word for it and no one will question much, no matter how obvious the cognitive dissonance for fear of looking stupid. A person can take only so much humiliation and mockery before they finally submit to Orwell's idea of Doublethink, and even though we know the experts either don't know or are lying, we tell ourselves we must remain functioning members of society so we ignore the issue altogether, or pretend we can ignore it. The paradox is that this way of thinking and doing things will inevitably keep us stupid and completely helpless to the conspiring powers that be. I think this state of retardation we're under is referred to as learned helplessness.
...just take the 9/11 commission for example, we all know how questionable (putting it lightly) the report by the NIST was but no one can do anything because there is no easy course of action for us whenever these duplicitous experts fail us on the most basic levels. They can actually get away with murder by the rule of "what are you gonna do about it"
Growing up in the North San Fernando Valley I was surprised to hear 0:38 San Fernando College, Had to look it up But turns out that College changed its name to CSUN/Cal Sate Northridge.
These old videos really do show us so much & are unbelievably important to the history of our country!
Thank you so much for taking the time to Post these videos!!
I wish they would have kept the name "San Fernando."
"I have no use for your abuse; therefore, I throw it back." Drunk or not, gotta love Jack Kerouac.
Born in '52, I knew the 60s firsthand. From my point of view a hippie was a hip person. Someone who was 'hip' to all the dirty underpinnings of our society. They wanted love not war. They wanted to get back to our basics. I think it was a glimpse into our better future.
It was just another shit show of young people who think they know better than those that came before. Your movement sold out like everyone does if they live long enough.
Perhaps. SOME at least.
@@brandonmills1135 ~ Dude! Try to meet your inner angel ; your negative focus will become more positive...👍
yes better indeed
They were woke them? Hip to what was going on.
William Buckley, "How do victims of this violence react?" Kerouac " Ouch ! "
Kerouac made more sense drunk, than Buckley sober...
Good point!
Classic Kerouac: Vietnamese War was a plot between the North and South to get more jeeps into the country.
Keroak was such a sad alcoholic at the end. He had invited William S, Burroughs to go on the show with him, but Burroughs sensibly said: "No jack, I want no part of this, you are too drunk." Which is kind of sad, because Burroughs was sort of a dark mirror to Buckley, a brilliant, an older, Harvard educated guy from a wealthy who wore a suit and talked in a drawn-out voice, Also an anarchistic gay junky who wrote really freaky stuff.
The alcoholism and depression were symptoms of CTE.
@@mrsmagoo5710 some neurosurgeon said that. But unless Jack Kerouac kept daily, detailed journals, his memory, as shown in his story-telling, was impeccable. This is not the case with CTE. He was probably more affected by very heavy alcohol use, which is also associated with impulse control problems, aggression, mood swings, and "crazy talk." Few people can comprehend how much alcohol that man put away in his lifetime.
You forgot a blatant paedophile
Freaky stuff, man!
@@mrsmagoo5710 what's that in English?
Amazing interview! Thank you, David! Would you happen to have the link to the full program?
How did they let him on TV like that! Sad to see such an intelligent and creative person fall victim to alcoholism.
Drunken bodhisattva doesn't care for your sadness.
Y'all project too much
Jack's was a sad end, a sad epic
Many great people had addiction problems. Evidently his parents did also.
Just imagine how shocking it was 50 years ago!
To Jack Kerouac. "A wise man knows what to say yet a Wiser Man knows when to say it". alcohol is such a shit drug. But thank you, Mr Hoffman, for posting this. so sad Alcoholism destroyed the mind of a wiser man and made him less than wise.
Please tell me who these men are
Booze killed him in the end and he died pretty young at 47 .
And you are absolutely right. I might add that alcohol is the worst drug of them all. It does the most damage and it has the worst effects. Yet it is sold, legally, in every street corner. But I have to give it to the elite who control us, it is the perfect drug for the sheeple: it enhances and complements their innate stupidity...
You live in a world of little slots and boxes people must be put in. Everyone must be diagnosed and givin a pill, an avalanche of dead never born clinical language to ''treat'' their ''condition''. Who is it you, me and everyone is talking about? Alcohol is the very best vehicle all the rest break down barely out of the gate. ''So sad'' take your cheap ineffectual pseudo sadness and wallow in it. Then see who talks about you.
I of course would be remiss if I did not mention how excruciatingly predictable and unoriginal your obedience is.
@@MrGiorgioud In vino veritas that's ancient wisdom. ''Sheeple'' ''innate stupidity'' Just all the greatest poets, writers, musicians and philosophers through out time. But who are they to argue with the likes of you? A damaged specimen who can not lift them selves above their personal story long enough to get any other idea of the world other than your pinhole view.
And then there's the lies the monumental lies. People can drink everyday with little to no ill effect. In fact the majority of people who drink do so without ruining their lives. Unruined lives that span decade upon decade of happily imbibing. But you insist that the guy shooting meth and Heroin speedballs is better off.
Lousy people are lousy drunks. It takes character to hold your liqueur as they say. If one lacks what it takes to drink like a decent human being just imagine how fast they would go down smoking crack, shooting speedballs or doing meth. ''Alcohol is the worst drug of them all'' Wildly absurd!
It's difficult to see Kerouac like this.
Kerouac was dead within a year of this interview. He died at age 47.
Or hear him. On the Road book was arguably the most influential artwork of the 20th century, when you consider its influence on Dylan, The Doors, Ken Kesey, basically the entire subculture that arose ten years after. I think Kerouac in his brilliance understood it all and, the true Catholic, felt guilty about some of the resultant extremities. Perhaps pathetic here, but really a complex, conflicted man which in a way makes him all the more interesting.
Well, he told the truth about the fact that a lot of his crowd were "hoodlums". Cassaday certainly was. Thief, hustler, con man, etc. Perceived as an artist, given wide latitude. Kicks on benzedrine the norm. The first hippies were pretty innocent and naive, open, loving and kind. That only lasted a relatively short time. Things got really hairy in 68. Changed everything.
@@tellthetruthna8523 did he get any ‘help’ with that. Y'know, like Pastorius?
Logan Stroganoff it was George Harrison. He actually showed up in H/A in late 67 IIRC and people kept trying to give him STP
William F. Buckley Jr certainly had a strange style of delivery. To this day he still sounds to me like a parody of a high snob, or maybe a flaming gay man. Why did he talk that way?
But a sort of parody of a snob. What's that all about?
I have known quite a few sons-of-wealth snobs, and they do have a certain way of talking, but I have never heard anyone speak with drawn-out syllables in that pause-filled way as Buckley did.
I am familiar with the accent you refer to as transatlantic. I believe it was taught to many actors. Although that accent contributes to the drama and interest of Buckley's speech, it is not the characteristic I am emphasizing. I am talking about the drawn-out syllables and extended pauses he used. Often they were ironic in tone, a way of putting quotes around something he wished to question or ridicule. There is an example from about 0:01 to 0:03 on this video, when Buckley refers to "the hippies" as follows:
(pause) theee (pause) hiippiees (pause).
Buckley uses the drawn-out syllables and pauses to convey a witchy mixture of disgust, ridicule, incredulity and disdain.
This was back in the day when there were TV intellectual celebrities. Like everyone on TV it was useful to have a persona for marketing one's self, in Buckley's case as "the intellectual" (as opposed to "the leading man" or "the tough guy", etc.). So Buckley's a bit over the top with his Ivy League upper-class snob thing. Gore Vidal had an exaggerated patrician delivery also, though not as broad as Buckley. Norman Mailer never could figure out whether he supposed to be "the intellectual" or "the tough guy".
I just watched a clip of Gore Vidal to refresh my memory. I see no resemblance between his manner and Buckley's.
Late 60s and 70s were so awesome. Thank God there wasn’t social media.
We lucked out there. ✌🏻.
I loved it and also the coffee houses and the time of the beat generation.
"ipi, or hipi, in Maori dialect was the word for sheep. I started with local New Zealand gurus- and then began to read Kerouac. There were different clans and strands of Hippy life. familiar to most people. I was anti-drug- pro- natural illumination. Growing up in rural poverty- a lot of the 60-70's lifestyle have some familiar notes. I was not an urban middle class escapee. Many of my friends were smack users [heroin] and not a few were prostitutes. I was politically active, at a local level and still am. I promote personal gentleness. Our current leader Jacinda Adern promotes the idea of kindness. This weekend i will have to opportunity to meet her- and maybe be able to exchange a few words with her. In the 70's I had long hair and dressed in rags. Today I am a grandfather of 6 beautiful kids.
It takes all kinds. Not sure why main stream media has to pigeon hole everyone. And most if not all people goes thru a phase of discovery. It looks like what hippis did. It's just what happens a lot. Like my mom told me in 1986, "You guys didn't invent sex, your Dad and I invented sex in 1954." Lol what she meant is every 16 yo thinks they just invented sex, drugs, and out there lifestyles. Pretty sure nothing new under the sun.
😂 the part about sheep made me laugh so hard I cried. I thought this was from West African language, hipikat meaning in the know, or knowing what's current. Great comment man
Ardern is only kind to those who obey. She is a WEF stooge.
Oh, Mr. Hoffman.....I am enjoying this on a 60 inch screen....what a priceless gift!
This is classic.. imagine trying to put this on the air in the world of censorship we live in..
Closest thing I see to this kind of respectful conversation among those with social and political differences is/was the discussion on Maher’s show. Before Covid. 2020 seems to have squashed it entirely.
those damn KKK
On the air? Have you seen what`s on the internet? More people have access to that than to TV.
Maher is nothing compared to this.
@@zachmorley158 Maher is a hypocritical grifter. Plenty of info about his disingenuous shift out there to validate this. The conservatives have successfully “owned the libs”…destroyed democracy….the Supreme Court has gone rogue and defied our constitution. It’s inconceivable to me that the red scare has been recirculated, reinvented, redistributed and people that consume conservative media are buying it somehow. It was propaganda then and it’s propaganda now.
Corporations, Christianity, and corruption rule. The strong eat the weak. The worser of the evils go the extra mile to retain power and feed their greed. The more corrupt the party, the more corrupt they are. They are willing to cheat in ways The lesser of the evils isn’t. Empathy and caring for others is the values we need to survive. We need to protect each other..black, white, Gay, straight, trans, binary, non-binary, cis, men, women, children..instead of feeding into the Hate being pushed by MSM and politicians.
We are Supposed to be able to Speak to power and critique our government without being demonized or “othered” - divided along the lines of identity- and thus an easily identifiable enemy has been constructed to for perpetual exploitation and to protect the status quo. I feel better getting this off my chest. Thanks for letting me share. Let’s do better.
interesting... Can't believe you got this on RUclips and available fro everyone.
I find Jack to be as boring as every other drunk I've ever been trapped in a conversation with.
You are.prob much, more, boring.
Bit cringe
Yes, he was deep in alcoholism. This is a man, not just a writer, in sharp decline.
@@sunkintree so whut
@@greenglasful nothing more than that what I said. cheers
Kerouac is a genius. His insight is so far beyond most poor fools. Despite being drunk out of his mind. He and his contemporaries like Hunter understood what was happening, and most of its materialised.
Smart, funny, crazy people.
And Mr Yablonski sounds like one of the cops from Fear and Loathing.
‘She must’ve had one hell of a trip!’
Yeah right And, the Vietnamese were fighting just to bring jeeps. Okay,... such a genius. lol
this is timeless......thanks for this vid.
Always interesting to have the benefit of hindsight. What will people be saying 50 years from now about our current talking points?
Not much. That's for certain.
@750count Wonder what year it was, couldn't b 1975 or so as Kiurac was alive n well!
@@chairlesnicol672 That interview was 1969
Thnx!@@750count
jack's words had come to hold such weight to many that he forgot the graceful art of talking less, listening more--he looks & sounds very modern, like people who live to trigger others online . . .
had forgotten how right on ed sanders was; hadn't forgotten the drunken hero's disdain.
Actually, Jack handed each of the other buffoons their asses. He is the smartest guy up there, despite their pomposity. And everyone up there deserved a medal for not smacking Buckley upside his head.
Jack was a fox in his youth. Booze makes him look like the henhouse collapsed on him.
Reminds me for all the world of my WVA cousins: All intelligent, all good-looking, all alcoholics, and all dead now, at a young age too. They even dressed like Jack into the early 2000s.
I love your tee slogan. As an old-er hippie, still on the wrong road, never having been The Real Me- as a film maker you must be familiar with that sort of chat- I was abused by 3 VERY significant individuals, and never really was able to grow up, thereby forging a career was difficult. One of The Fugs- Ed Sanders? I still listen to them regularly kind of denigrated my lifestyle- I didn't lay around naked in public engaged in some sort of sexual activity! I didn't even smoke much weed. The clothing initially attracted me, but I am not that shallow nor were my friends. George Carlin, RIP buddy used to kid about the inane labels Time Magazine was inclined to toss about and stick on anything or anybody, not an arch-conservative- "the counter-culture " I love that one, made me feel like I was a stale doughnut on Kresges lunch bar. Or one of those tacky doll-cakes, you know a cheap Barbie doll, with a Scarlett O'Hara full, tulle skirt. I am not old enough to have known any Beatniks but there was animosity between the two groups- I imagine a well educated man like yourself who has traveled around as a film maker would know more about that. My image of a beatnik was Maynard from the TV show, Dobie Gillis and I emulated him as a kid. The overly long Ecuadorian sweaters and barefeet fit with hippie clothing. Kind of funny to me now because some people still see a guy with a ponytail and ask "are you a folk musician?" Where is this going? Nowhere. If you met me you'd see a severely depressed, in therapy, woman who loathes being over 40 and still feels like a teenager and is waiting...Namaste Z
( I have enjoyed the films of yours I've watched- I detested William F. Buckley- we had a nick name for him! the tongue! he made my skin crawl then as now. Right out of Lolita and SO pretentious- there are many other professional intellectuals who aren't so egoiste- though a Canadian who lived in Montreal, I don't speak French!
Very good hippie rant. Cheers from one hippie to another. Peace sister
I think I've seen this before David Hoffman thanks for sharing again, interesting subject. 🎥🙂 Thanks for posting.
That's Lewis (not Ed) Yablonsky, a sociologist, who in 1968 published a book called "The Hippie Trip" which garnered good reviews from the likes of the NY Times, which is why he's on this particular panel.
Lewis Edward Yablonsky!
I considered myself a hippie for a couple of years in the early 70’s and experimented with drugs including LSD, but drug experiences were always negative to me. At 17 I had a 12 hour “mystical experience” after reading a Buddhist text and Buddhism led me to reject drugs. By the time I was a senior in high school I felt disillusioned with the hippie movement which I felt was ruined by the drugs and I just wanted to “get my shit together”. I read Kerouac in college and loved “On the Road”, and crossed paths with Ginsberg who was a fellow student of Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. I eventually converted to the Eastern Orthodox Church and traditionalist values. I now suspect that the hippie movement was co-opted by satanist globalist elite’s and that the CIA manipulated the movement to create social chaos, corruption, conflict, dissolution, and collapse in order to create a globalist fascist elite hegemony of evil which ties into what Jack was saying. I wish Buckley had just interviewed Jack on this topic.
I'm reading Chaos by Tom O'Neill and it confirms this theory. Looking back at interviews from the time, it's becoming even more evident!
I still love you Ti Jean and The Beats. RIP.
Jack K is an example of what happens when a knowledgable persona [disconnected from the control of the soul], heads "inevitably" into a downward spiral. So much pomposity and hubris and general disdain for the wisdom of others. His whole body language, along with his self abuse with alcohol and cigarette's show's the self-loathing his persona actually felt about itself.
Pomposity, hubris, general disdain for the wisdom of others. Wait a minute - he's not Hillary.
Possibly
@@beavercleaver7848 I think he meant Buckley!
Hated the whole shit that people tried to pin on him making him out to be the guru. No he was a pisshead a Catholic a mummy's boy an arsehole a great writer
I agree his drinking was inappropriate.
His loathing was for the B.S. he knew was at the core of the existing status quo and its reluctance to admit it.
🤣🤣 I’m one minute into it and not a single one of them looks like they want to be there-including the host! What a dead group. LOL!
Fascinating discussion. I was a fan of the Fugs in the late 1960s but never realized back then how intelligent and articulate Ed Sanders was. It makes perfect sense to me now, in retrospect. I suppose the Fugs' kind of creative iconoclasm is possible without great intelligence, but can be so much more effective when it comes from a clear, brilliant mind. I feel the same about the work of the late, great Frank Zappa. Not that either Zappa or Sanders were hippies (Sanders himself denies being a hippy in this forum, and Zappa studiously avoided drug use), but they were both quite popular among the hippies I knew in the late 1960s and early 1970s. That's probably because they remembered what the dormouse said: "Feed your head."
I found Kerouac to be the least interesting one on the panel. Seemingly overrated. Some may find his ramblings profound. I found him a rude, boorish and annoying drunk. He's the type that ends up in a bar fight for popping off in a bar.
larry nones how old are you kid?
Kerouac's comment on the Vietnam conflict was funny, ironic and true all at the same time.
Google "Football and the Fall of Jack Kerouac", then watch "Jack Kerouac on The Steve Allen Show 1959".
Dude. This guy's wasted. He needed to find some vomit-free ground on the floor and sleep it off.
I had a Fug's album when I was a young teen. The only song I remember was "Kill For Peace". Must've resonated with me somehow.
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Thoreau taught Tolstoy, not the other way around.
Wow. Kerouac makes it very evident how philosophies and politics really diverged within the original Beat community.
I've been known to get drunk and act like Kerouac too when i'm in the company of boring assholes.
Weird flex.
Kerouac wasn't just drunk he was also HIGH on marijuana which he hadn't smoked in a very long time until he did it with Ginsberg and Burroughs before the start of the show.
If we all knew what Kerouac knew, we'd be drunk as skunks too from the horror of it all. Truly a rabbit hole most people should never go down.
Excellent observation, Bukowski held onto the sloshers wheel much better than Jk imo.
Sad to have Jack on TV when he was so far gone in his angry alcoholic state,
That one guy’s hair should have its own documentary
If anyone here is familiar with Joe Frank's shows, you may remember that, every once in a while, he would have a mock panel of three or four circle-jerkers like these guys, saying the most insane, inane things, but in a perfectly straight manner as if they were on the PBS News Hour. Like an SNL sketch, but usually better.
@@FightingForFacts7074 I think you're in luck. Thirty years ago, you had to get his shows on tape. For a couple hundred episodes (of several radio shows, actually), this was not exactly cheap, or convenient. Later, they started making the collections available for download. I don't know how it is now but, at one time, if you really were Frankly nuts, you could make a, er, donation of, I think, something like $2000, and get an iPod with all the shows loaded on it! I don't know where this stands now, but I don't get the impression they've ever seen the shows as a source of private profit, since AFAIK they were all funded through NPR and/or KCRW. So as the technology improves and distribution can be done more cheaply, you might be able to get some really big bang now for your entertainment bucks.
As you probably know, about three years ago Joe passed on to the Great Studio In The Sky, but foefrank.com is still online and, at first glance, it looks about the same, so you should certainly check it out.
The jeeps comment was brilliant
Totally not racist, either 😒
@@sashasisko7043 no, it's not racist, unless you attribute the lack of tech advancement to their race.. which would make you the racist one.
Jack Kerouac is a beat generation author and genius ❤, he had habits for sure but he wrote the great American novel without even trying so let’s be real. Give the man his credit.
society tended to be more articulate and intelligent back then - hear the vocab used.
Uet the things they say are still mostly empty imo. A very inconclusive conversation that mostly seemed to center around paintong hippies and drunken violent idiots. Really ugly I think.
Anyone really; interested in learning more about the conditions that allowed such a disjointed round table discussion of "hippy" would be interested perhaps in reading "Acid Dreams - The Complete Social History of LSD, the CIA, the Sixties, and Beyond," by Lee and Schlain.
William F Buckley doing a great imitation of himself! :)
Never thought of him that way.
Wow, Jack was in great form....😜😜😜 This was interesting to watch and hear their "predictions".
David - Have you seen Ginsburg's response to Jack's appearance on this panel?
Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac were "Beatniks" .... of the "Beat Generation" of the late '50s. I was too young (8 or 9) to understand them, although I do remember them. The "Hippies" were of my generation of the late '60s. As I recall, they began as the 'flower children' during the 1967 "Summer of Love" and by 1969 were following Timothy Leary's admonition of "Tuning in, turning on and dropping out" (of society). That meant living in communes somewhere far away from the rest of society. This attitude and life style - disenfranchisement with social norms - characterized both Beatniks and Hippies.
am i wrong in thinking of 'beatniks' as 'princepts pants' & sharp pointy glasses?? i remember them, too, when i was borne--although i know i'm only talking about clothing. a goatee beard, & i also think of people in the background of the 'rosemary baby' movie. i was bourne in 1970, there were tons of older people my mom was friends w/& i remember seeing them @ our 'parties!' we lit some brass brazier & everyone drank cocktails, ate stuff. that scene wrapped up really quickly, watergate happened & all those people disappeared, everything changed & no one like that was ever around at all anymore . . .
Nobody got it. Lots of hippies didn't even get it. "IT" was too fluid, everchanging, bending in the wind. The sociologist actually came close to describing the general terms. But the hippies were supplanted by the anti war movement, "freaks" of all types, then came heavy metal, goths, bikers, creeps of all descriptions. Kerouac was a mess here, on his last legs, totally dissipated. Buckley, of course, is his usual upper class snob. His coin of trade is disdain.
One path the hippies took became Apple Computer, and pretty much all the successful tech companies.
Loved most of this info. Thank you, sir.
@@jrstf Perhaps so.
Kerouac is only 46 here. Alcohol is awful...
He’ll die in St. Petersburg Florida the following year. Cirrhosis and internal hemorrhage. Yes, he killed himself with booze. He appears drunk here.
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Kerouac lived and wrote genius
if Yer racist / prejudiced about " alcohol " maybe ya need to get drunk to wake up
@danielalexandermclachlanga3781 Kerouac is a genius despite being alcoholic not because of it imo.
Which is why I gave it up 20 years ago.
This is a year before Jack died. The ravages of alcoholism have surely taken their toll, but he’s still sharp. I learned recently that the army classified him as having Schizotypal personality disorder which is interesting to think about while viewing him here.
His daughter died even younger than him. It’s disturbing. Maybe a lesson.
He could have been faking mental illness to get out of military service.
Was just wondering that thanks, we may be on the same Kerouac YT tour😂
The army classifies people as having schizo disorders with great abuse, often prescribing that to perfectly sane persons, if they choose to opt out of service. It's a form of sabotage. I don't know the context of this classification, but if it has something to do with him choosing to opt out of military duty, then it is likely the case, as misdiagnosing people as insane is standard practice of retribution.
So, I had to look it up, as I myself am enlisting. Apparently, he volunteered into the Navy Reserve, then was sent to "the sick bay", according to "archives.gov". It sounds to me like he changed his mind and they gave him the standard misdiagnosis treatment. They do this not only for retribution, but they do this to ensure enlisters do not waste their time by trying to re-enlist only for this to happen again. To put something like "I don't like the leadership here", if that was his genuine reason, then that would be to admit there may be a valid complaint. False authorities have a hard time admitting their abuse, and often seek false authority in order to abuse, so, I think this context is important. I think Kerouac simply changed his mind, and they misclassified him for the reasons stated above.
Sadly, at the end of Kerouac`s life he was just another angry, mean drunk
Kerouac worked for his alcoholism. Once he discovered he was a typer (not a writer), he drank himself into stupidity, hatred and death. He failed despite his promising journalistic start. Sad story, repeated endlessly.
Yet, he made a much bigger influence on culture than any of us...
@@starvingbuddha7622 BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. and the beat goes on and on and on...etc lol😋
@@sarasarah1810 yes indeed indeed
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I’m a big admirer of Kerouac. And despite his drunkenness, sometimes it’s good to see somebody in this stage because the honesty does come out. Jack struggled with booze as many of us have/do. I really enjoyed his books “The Subterraneans”, “On The Road” and I’m about to read “Big Sur”. I think it was Ginsberg that said: “Jack was never taken seriously when he was alive”. I also like Buckley (in certain doses). As literate as he was, I feel that he just couldn’t help himself and had a lifelong tendency to be a rather smug elitist. Fantastic television nonetheless.
Drunken rambling is not honesty.
What you say about Kerouac is true but, as a fan of his oeuvre, I have to say that this Buckley clip has always embarrassed me. The man is just hammered here. And it's sad in an immediate way: he is ill-behaved, ungentlemanly, unloving (!), slovenly, myopic, reactionary, and makes precious little sense whenever he speaks in this particular forum (and certainly not when he makes a fool of himself by raspberrying the other panelists). Just embarrassing. (Everyone in his life at this time saw the same thing, on and on; and then he died.)
Professor or not, this Ed Yablonsky was no intellectual. And those young people in the audience sound suspiciously like Buckley.
Probably Bucklites
Well, they're HIS audience. Just as the folks in Bill Maher's audience would sound remarkably like Maher. This is a self-selecting phenomenon.
@@Mooseman327 Of course. Today they would all be wearing MAGA hats.
I believe the "original" hippies were people of substance in that they had a vision that most people couldn't accept. Young people are always following the crowd that sets them apart so when hippies started showing up in the 60's, they liked the long hair, the clothes, the defiance of authority so they imitated it, especially the hair and clothes. They wanted to be "hip".it was very superficial. Pop culture eventually absorbed the hippies, and commercialism used the hippie look to sell clothes and hair products and styles. By the early 70s any person with long hair and funky threads would be labeled a hippie.
At 19:13 he's lying. "I went to 'around' four." Uhm.. IF you went to three, you remember three. If you went to four, you remember four. You remember where they all were, and don't have a need to ramble on about unimportant details. He's making it up as he goes along.
Kerouac here did not make me regret not reading his works. The douche on the end, talking like "hippie" has no meaning, is like Gerald Nadler and ChatGPT saying ANTIFA has no meaning
I liked Kerouac because he had respect for religion, while the hippies disposed of it for arrogant spirituality .
Yah because religion's aren't arrogant, with all that history of organized violence and repression and such, lmao
That's a terribly ignorant argument. The Catholic Church is probably the most arrogant institution to ever exist.
High school class of 1975 . Long hair , rock music and relaxed dress codes were pretty much the norm . The hippy identity or label became irrelevant . The entire nation was in recovery of a recent turmoiltuous past . We may have been even optimistic about the future.
Back when we had longer attention spans. Imagine a 20 yr old watching this now.
I feel like this is kabuki theater
Crazy how age 40's back then looked 60's today.
40 year old alcoholics still look 60 today.
People on the comments here don't seem to understand his story.....he didn't become and aged alcoholic...he decided to drink himself to death years before, he told people this. What you're seeing is a slow suicide.
Truly?
"Give that man a drink!"
I’m from Lowell Mass and it’s sad to hear some of the stories about what Kerouac would do to get a drink at the local watering hole…near the end of his life he was a full blown alcoholic.
Can you share one of those stories? I'm very intrigued by his life but not much is written about his later years.
My family emigrated to Lowell, Mass from Quebec the same time Jack's parents did. We're still alcoholics but not as bad as jack here.
The Fugs were brilliant and Ed Sanders is still with us, aged 84. I guess he's been doing life right.
Very strange surprising there's only 20 some odd thousand views on this subject I mean who wouldn't want to hear Jack Kerouac pontificate on the subject transitional people from beatniks two hippies.
As always Buckley is overly rational to the point of silliness as is the professor. Kerouac is in bad shape, drunk and rude and soon to die of a stomach hemorrhage brought on by his drinking. Still he makes some wonderful points as does Sanders. The hippies were an unfocused social movement that was looking for an alternative to the dominant culture of materialism and war. It didn't have any sort of program or definition except the traditional American values of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I've watched this before and it is painful to watch. Kerouac didn't enjoy media interviews and it is easy to see why. He was a deeply troubled and beautiful soul, full of pain, anguish and a search for transcendence.
“A lotta Hoods & Communists...” Just a bunch of Jack Straws....
It wasnt the Hippy itself. It was what Jack saw was being attatched to him under the current fads. However many people had a problem with many of the scuzzy hippies. Including Jerry Garcia who resented the fkn bums not wanting to pay for his shows. Jim Morrison didnt respect the way the movements were going either and thought they were ridiculous. Even Jimmy Hendrix made a statement in the movie Rainbow Bridge where he stood, by shooting a hippy dead. Jerkoffs looking back at the 60s thinking everybody was all the same , full of drugs, full of hair and full of s##, are simply kidding themselves. Many people as they rode the wave of the 60s started to become increasingly aware of their Patriotism and in Jack's case his identity as a Conservative Catholic despite his semi wild ride. People that dont read shouldnt be researching either this time or the characters. Ive been looking at some of this generations attempt at looking at the movie A Clockwork Orange for example and they dont have a clue who Anthony Burgess was or what his intentions were. We are talking about a dumbed down generation told to go watch a movie and write what they used to call a book report about it. However if you are looking for a famous Hard Core Drunk Writer, try Charles Bukowski on for size. But if nobody is going to learn how to train themself to appreciate reading you should just leave it alone.Maybe Im wrong. I dunno.
I admired Buckley, although I was on the opposite side politically. I trusted his National Review magazine to present intellectual conservatism. His publication forced me to be able to intelligently rebut the arguments conservatives made on various issues of the day. He did have a sense of humor and tossed off some wickedly clever puns. His Firing Line program represented some of the best programming in an era when sober discussion was still valued. Many of his shows pitted able debaters against one another to give two, three, four sides of an issue. Thank goodness there were people like Gore Vidal on the left to counter Buckley. I read Kerouac's novels, of course. He was a unique literary voice for his generation.
Hoff! Excellent show. Your best. A legit classic!
Ed was by far the most attuned person on the panel.
Were you on the film/production crew of _Firing Line_ ?
I was not, although many of my colleagues were.
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Remember, Jack thought he was going to be the only one being interviewed. Being lined up with others was spitting in his face.
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Emily. Thank you.
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The Ancient Greeks used alcohol in a fun explosive way
this is fantastic, thank you
Jack Kerouac in maybe his latest appearance was a parody of an intellectual.