I see a lot of comments here of clueless people who never had an actual talk with an FA. Some say "work more", you missed the point. We are NOT paid when the flight is delayed, and we're sitting at the airport. We're not getting paid when the passengers are throwing a fit because they're not sitting together, and they could've resolved this issue at the gate. And that delays us another 20min. We're not getting paid when the company tells you to be at the gate one hour before departure and serve drinks with a smile (for first class). So we do work A LOT, but half of our time at WORK is not compensated. Some say "go find another job" despite this fact we LIKE our jobs, we like everything else in it and we SHOULD be compensated a living wage. A new hire is making less than an MCD worker. Which no grown-up should live on. Support us! It doesn't come out of your personal paycheck to have others fight for better work rules. We all should fight for what we want it to improve!
You knew that when you were hired. Nobody is forcing you to stay there. A company does not owe you a comfortable life. The level of entitlement is astounding.
@nateh3441 a person is entitled to a comfortable life no matter the spectrum of their labor. If you can place disparaging rhetoric against everyone not working some crazy level tech job then you have lost the plot of a working society.
No tax on flight attendants' salary! Now, that would help. It can be a fun job. You're broke but you can travel anywhere in the world on your days off. Just don't shop and eat. Stay at hostels or sleep at the airports. Any FA's can stay at my house overnight for free if laying over my area. That is the best help I can provide. All you need is clean up after yourself.
Its basic Supply & Demand. If you can't make ends meet at the wage they are offering then get a job doing something else. When the Airlines no longer have a "Supply" of workers willing to work at a given salary range then it will "Demand" they pay a higher wage to attract workers.
They hire 50% more then they need knowing half will realize it’s not a living wage and drop but during that 6-12 months they use and abuse you for pennies on the hour.
I work for an airline. I can tell you that it’s extremely rare that a FA has to strip, live with no electricity or live with 20 people. Also, not all jobs are meant to be able to provide for a family.
I’m a first year FA and I can tell you I have two different side hustles, and a second job and still can’t pay all my bills. I make $1800/month and 14 full days are occupied (24hrs)
@ when I was younger and making 1400 a month, i lived with a lot of roommates and drove a cheap car. Some occupations, it’s just not meant for an independent living.
@@soramame7528Go ahead and lick the boots of a billion dollar corporation who just bought another airline in cash. I’m almost 50. I’ve pulled up my bootstraps and made things work more times then you can say “Poverty Wages”. But go off on your justification for modern day slavery. Getting paid low is one thing, working 10-14 hours a day for 4.5-5 hours of pay is another. YOU just don’t get it.
@@mountainmaat At my airline, FAs get paid 70+ dollars per hour. The crew members wages consider the non-paid hours. People who work in an office more hours than FAs get paid 1800 dollars a month, and they’re actually working all of their hours. Do FAs deserve more pay than office workers? I wish everybody could make more dollars for the hours they work. Maybe you can find something where you don’t feel like you’re treated like a slave.
@@soramame7528There’s no airline that starts at $70/hr; maybe for 30 year veterans. And your math isn’t mathing -$1800/month for “full time” is $10.38/hr - not sure where this office is but it sounds more like you’re management for an airline. Let’s discuss your first year FA wages if you know so much
@frankieb8591 Everyone's job is a "real" job from the janitor to the software industry. All those jobs are real jobs and should without question allow those within them to live fruitful and successful lives. No one saying everyone should be paid 7 figures for every single one but to be able to comfortably afford a home, insurance, food, etc without constant struggle. I'm not a union job holder, but I know because of them, companies aren't too quick to make the staff get up in arms over bad policy changes. I don't care if the person at mcdanks is making 50k they are still doing a societal good just on their labor alone and I feel the same to flight crews.
@@Mt.Dwezzy as an individual who complains they are not making enough money because the hours are horrible or how they pay structure works. Fine. As an individual take that experience and go somewhere else to advance your career and get a high pay level job so that you can pay the bills and get off eating from a tuna can. Basically quit complaining. If you can’t pay the bills because of the job then move on. Normally it’s young people who get into these jobs and realize it’s a lonely job and they end up moving on anyway. It’s not what it’s cut up to be. Especially dealing with rude passengers. Again they do it for the free travel
@@lifeofaproblemsolver479 I own a business and employe 300 people. And I pay well and provide benefits and work from home. I would hire FA’s in a heartbeat as they are well trained in customer service, they have good attitudes and can handle conflicts. Only issue is I don’t offer free world travel
I call BS. Flight attendants are paid average of 68k a year, work 40 hours or less, get per diem meals, travel allowances, and good health care. Just the health care is worth 8-10k a year.. Most can live well with this amount if they live responsibly
This is a lie…most flight attendants make under 30k a year and often work more than 40 hours a week, but aren’t paid for those hours. They aren’t paid for most of the hours they work and health insurance premiums are so high that they take 1/4 of your check. Some flight attendants are even living in their cars while these corporations rack in billions.
Living wages are subjective to life style, I think we're missing key pieces of info here. There are people living on less and people struggling to get by making more. I think we should stop fixing people's bad choices.
one can always point out those that live with poor choices, however, there are far too many people who are doing the work & not getting compensation for it. living wage is subject to the ECONOMY as well as the manipulation of corporations to set a bar & then everything else follows in an industry and region. the cost of living has been going up and the wages have not.. THOSE are the factors that set the line; not always someone's choices and spending lifestyle.
Now, I want you to think about something. Are those FAs working consistently 80hrs per every 2 weeks? How many hours are the unpaid portion? Things you should consider is that most FAs are guaranteed 80 paid hrs per month and many are not making anywhere close to that purser position pay. If you couldn't survive on 80hrs per month in your job what makes you believe it's fine for anyone else.
@frankieb8591 travel benefits don't pay rent. That is for any job, including ski resorts. If you can't pay your bills, the benefits don't feel very special.
@@Mt.Dwezzy If you can’t pay your bills because of your current job. Then don’t you think the right thing to do is find a new job that pays the bills. Instead of working part time. Oh but wait, they can’t to travel the world for free. I say this because I asked this question. And this was the response I got.
@frankieb8591 so you want what was once a prestigious career path with higher than average pay and union benefits just to become another revolving door job. Then people like you will complain about lack of service on flights and dare call it the fault of FAs over taking aim at greedy companies that should push that rewarding pathway like they used to when I was a kid. To put another point of yours if everyone followed your advice and just quit to find that mythical golden goose then where do your planes go? No where. Whether you understand their job is not my concern but to cheaply view as a just quit brings nothing to the situation at hand of those in that field not making ends meet which they should be able to full stop.
I’m retired now but my wife still an active F/A for a major airline so my experience tells me this report is not accurate. Flight attendants start with a low pay but get raises as seniority accrues. It’s common to use a ‘crash pad’ when you’re on a base away from home. After a few years, the salary increases substantially and I know some F/As whose earnings are approaching 6 figures. This flight attendant on the report who has a 17 year tenure should be at the top of the pay scale and not really struggling as she implies. The job is demanding at first and the benefits and perks will eventually offset the sacrifice of the first few months. Salaries should be more attractive at the beginning but the large pool of applicants probably allow the hiring companies to assume they can get away with it for now…
Companies keep hiring, but most don’t even make it to year 5. It takes a special type of person to be a flight attendant. They’re choosing quantity over quality because they think our job is easily replaceable.
Most were lied too when accepting the job. They don’t tell you the truth in terms of pay or work hours. Most flight attendants are working 12-15 hour days and are being paid for 5 or 6…
@@KDAx05 I'll need to see evidence of that but I'll tell you out of the gate that I don't believe it's true or the central 'problem'. I've had many discussions on this with many commenters who are flight attendants and they have many reasons they are mad, but what you say here has never been mentioned. Everyone knows they're only paid when in the air. It's like, "did you hear smoking is bad for you??". If they are lying in the offer letters and paperwork about the pay, then that is fraud and can be remedied. But who wants to work for someone who defrauded you. The answer is still to go get a job that suits you better.
@@deadgolfer6345 Yes, everyone knows they’re paid by flight hours but most don’t expect to be working up to 12-15 hour days consistently. The contracts leave so much wiggle room for companies, while flight attendants are being burnt out daily. Most people sacrifice a lot to have that career field so it’s not easy to just quit like people think.
@@GraciedogThe ones that want to work fulltime and do make that much across the entire country. The stewardess that complain about not making enough money are the same ones that make more excuses not to work than having reasons why they should work.
@Shadowman-1960 ... Roflmao.. stewardess? It's 2024, not 1972!! They work 70 to 100 hours a month. The first few years are rough!!!! They don't make alot!!!!!
@@Graciedog If you've ever seen a male stewardess then you would know stewardess is the correct term for them, and very few people ever start at the top so most people have to work their way up the first few years, which no one said was easy. I worked for twenty five years as a Union Journeyman Roofer and never made more than 37,000.00 a year at a job that is far harder than anything the vast majority of people do, so I know how full of shit these crybabies are.
Are these flight attendants not allowed to quit to go find employment elsewhere? If you aren’t making the amount of money you think you’re worth, then go find a different job. Once enough people quit, the airline will eventually have to pay a higher wage in order to retain talent.
Because we love our job and we aren’t going to leave because you say so. That’s why most of us have unions who are currently fighting for us against corporate greed. If these CEO’s can afford buy back and to give themselves over 3 million in raises after profits, they can afford to give us a better quality of life.
@@user-dz3up8xl8k the unions ARE the greed. Those CEO’s getting raises have far more responsibility on a day to day basis than somebody who reads a safety announcement off a card, and hands out drinks every few hours. I’ve been flying commercially every two or three weeks for the past twenty years for work, and I will say that the quality of customer service from flight attendants has gone down dramatically over the years. Keep in mind, just because you get to wear a skirt and heels for a uniform and travel on an airplane everyday, doesn’t mean you’re not an entry level employee a step away from working fast food.
Why is it yall always say "just quit" Because that backfires incredibly quickly when your vacation flight gets canceled and you wonder why places are short staffed with poor service. If they quit the plane stays on the ground.
@@Mt.Dwezzy CEO’s absolutely carry more responsibility and stress running a multibillion dollar company, than somebody working an entry level position. If being a flight attendant really carried that much stress and responsibility, they wouldn’t fill the positions with weak women and effeminate men.
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I see a lot of comments here of clueless people who never had an actual talk with an FA. Some say "work more", you missed the point. We are NOT paid when the flight is delayed, and we're sitting at the airport. We're not getting paid when the passengers are throwing a fit because they're not sitting together, and they could've resolved this issue at the gate. And that delays us another 20min. We're not getting paid when the company tells you to be at the gate one hour before departure and serve drinks with a smile (for first class). So we do work A LOT, but half of our time at WORK is not compensated. Some say "go find another job" despite this fact we LIKE our jobs, we like everything else in it and we SHOULD be compensated a living wage. A new hire is making less than an MCD worker. Which no grown-up should live on. Support us! It doesn't come out of your personal paycheck to have others fight for better work rules. We all should fight for what we want it to improve!
You knew that when you were hired. Nobody is forcing you to stay there. A company does not owe you a comfortable life. The level of entitlement is astounding.
@@nateh3441. Defending corporate greed is astounding.
@nateh3441 a person is entitled to a comfortable life no matter the spectrum of their labor. If you can place disparaging rhetoric against everyone not working some crazy level tech job then you have lost the plot of a working society.
@@CaraaClara it’s called piece work. Go talk to a mechanic or contractor.
@@frankieb8591It’s not piece work when you start at 11am and stop at midnight and get paid for 5.5hours.
talk by walking as you are not being forced. when they cannot find people to work, they raise the wage.
And yet the government bailed these companies out. For what, stock buybacks?
I'm homeless. It's not ok.
No tax on flight attendants' salary! Now, that would help. It can be a fun job. You're broke but you can travel anywhere in the world on your days off. Just don't shop and eat. Stay at hostels or sleep at the airports.
Any FA's can stay at my house overnight for free if laying over my area. That is the best help I can provide. All you need is clean up after yourself.
Yes well put
Will the news media report the CEOs salaries for this and all industries?
Its basic Supply & Demand. If you can't make ends meet at the wage they are offering then get a job doing something else. When the Airlines no longer have a "Supply" of workers willing to work at a given salary range then it will "Demand" they pay a higher wage to attract workers.
They hire 50% more then they need knowing half will realize it’s not a living wage and drop but during that 6-12 months they use and abuse you for pennies on the hour.
I work for an airline. I can tell you that it’s extremely rare that a FA has to strip, live with no electricity or live with 20 people. Also, not all jobs are meant to be able to provide for a family.
I’m a first year FA and I can tell you I have two different side hustles, and a second job and still can’t pay all my bills. I make $1800/month and 14 full days are occupied (24hrs)
@ when I was younger and making 1400 a month, i lived with a lot of roommates and drove a cheap car. Some occupations, it’s just not meant for an independent living.
@@soramame7528Go ahead and lick the boots of a billion dollar corporation who just bought another airline in cash. I’m almost 50. I’ve pulled up my bootstraps and made things work more times then you can say “Poverty Wages”. But go off on your justification for modern day slavery. Getting paid low is one thing, working 10-14 hours a day for 4.5-5 hours of pay is another. YOU just don’t get it.
@@mountainmaat At my airline, FAs get paid 70+ dollars per hour. The crew members wages consider the non-paid hours. People who work in an office more hours than FAs get paid 1800 dollars a month, and they’re actually working all of their hours. Do FAs deserve more pay than office workers? I wish everybody could make more dollars for the hours they work. Maybe you can find something where you don’t feel like you’re treated like a slave.
@@soramame7528There’s no airline that starts at $70/hr; maybe for 30 year veterans. And your math isn’t mathing -$1800/month for “full time” is $10.38/hr - not sure where this office is but it sounds more like you’re management for an airline. Let’s discuss your first year FA wages if you know so much
Give me a living wage then.
@@Soundbreakr1 get a real job.
@frankieb8591 Everyone's job is a "real" job from the janitor to the software industry. All those jobs are real jobs and should without question allow those within them to live fruitful and successful lives. No one saying everyone should be paid 7 figures for every single one but to be able to comfortably afford a home, insurance, food, etc without constant struggle. I'm not a union job holder, but I know because of them, companies aren't too quick to make the staff get up in arms over bad policy changes. I don't care if the person at mcdanks is making 50k they are still doing a societal good just on their labor alone and I feel the same to flight crews.
@@Mt.Dwezzy as an individual who complains they are not making enough money because the hours are horrible or how they pay structure works. Fine. As an individual take that experience and go somewhere else to advance your career and get a high pay level job so that you can pay the bills and get off eating from a tuna can. Basically quit complaining. If you can’t pay the bills because of the job then move on. Normally it’s young people who get into these jobs and realize it’s a lonely job and they end up moving on anyway. It’s not what it’s cut up to be. Especially dealing with rude passengers. Again they do it for the free travel
@@frankieb8591I have a real job, question is do you have a real job lmfao.
@@lifeofaproblemsolver479 I own a business and employe 300 people. And I pay well and provide benefits and work from home. I would hire FA’s in a heartbeat as they are well trained in customer service, they have good attitudes and can handle conflicts. Only issue is I don’t offer free world travel
I call BS. Flight attendants are paid average of 68k a year, work 40 hours or less, get per diem meals, travel allowances, and good health care. Just the health care is worth 8-10k a year.. Most can live well with this amount if they live responsibly
I think about a thousand workers on that list, would disagree with you.
This is a lie…most flight attendants make under 30k a year and often work more than 40 hours a week, but aren’t paid for those hours. They aren’t paid for most of the hours they work and health insurance premiums are so high that they take 1/4 of your check. Some flight attendants are even living in their cars while these corporations rack in billions.
Living wages are subjective to life style, I think we're missing key pieces of info here. There are people living on less and people struggling to get by making more. I think we should stop fixing people's bad choices.
one can always point out those that live with poor choices, however, there are far too many people who are doing the work & not getting compensation for it.
living wage is subject to the ECONOMY as well as the manipulation of corporations to set a bar & then everything else follows in an industry and region.
the cost of living has been going up and the wages have not.. THOSE are the factors that set the line; not always someone's choices and spending lifestyle.
I know people who make $60 an hour and are stil broke. So it’s how you manage your money
Now, I want you to think about something. Are those FAs working consistently 80hrs per every 2 weeks? How many hours are the unpaid portion? Things you should consider is that most FAs are guaranteed 80 paid hrs per month and many are not making anywhere close to that purser position pay. If you couldn't survive on 80hrs per month in your job what makes you believe it's fine for anyone else.
@@Mt.Dwezzy but they get to travel the world. A few thousand dollars in savings right there a month. Probably more
@frankieb8591 travel benefits don't pay rent. That is for any job, including ski resorts. If you can't pay your bills, the benefits don't feel very special.
@@Mt.Dwezzy If you can’t pay your bills because of your current job. Then don’t you think the right thing to do is find a new job that pays the bills. Instead of working part time. Oh but wait, they can’t to travel the world for free. I say this because I asked this question. And this was the response I got.
@frankieb8591 so you want what was once a prestigious career path with higher than average pay and union benefits just to become another revolving door job. Then people like you will complain about lack of service on flights and dare call it the fault of FAs over taking aim at greedy companies that should push that rewarding pathway like they used to when I was a kid. To put another point of yours if everyone followed your advice and just quit to find that mythical golden goose then where do your planes go? No where. Whether you understand their job is not my concern but to cheaply view as a just quit brings nothing to the situation at hand of those in that field not making ends meet which they should be able to full stop.
That is the worst job to have
This and train conductors
People should be paid market value. Whether or not they can live in it is their issue.
I’m retired now but my wife still an active F/A for a major airline so my experience tells me this report is not accurate. Flight attendants start with a low pay but get raises as seniority accrues. It’s common to use a ‘crash pad’ when you’re on a base away from home. After a few years, the salary increases substantially and I know some F/As whose earnings are approaching 6 figures. This flight attendant on the report who has a 17 year tenure should be at the top of the pay scale and not really struggling as she implies. The job is demanding at first and the benefits and perks will eventually offset the sacrifice of the first few months. Salaries should be more attractive at the beginning but the large pool of applicants probably allow the hiring companies to assume they can get away with it for now…
Why should they pay more when there’s a constant stream of desperate applicants begging for that job?
Companies keep hiring, but most don’t even make it to year 5. It takes a special type of person to be a flight attendant. They’re choosing quantity over quality because they think our job is easily replaceable.
It’s a job that you need to be married with dual household income.
Get a different job.
Why did they seek this job out if it is so bad? Why did they take the offer?
Most were lied too when accepting the job. They don’t tell you the truth in terms of pay or work hours. Most flight attendants are working 12-15 hour days and are being paid for 5 or 6…
@@KDAx05 I'll need to see evidence of that but I'll tell you out of the gate that I don't believe it's true or the central 'problem'. I've had many discussions on this with many commenters who are flight attendants and they have many reasons they are mad, but what you say here has never been mentioned. Everyone knows they're only paid when in the air. It's like, "did you hear smoking is bad for you??".
If they are lying in the offer letters and paperwork about the pay, then that is fraud and can be remedied. But who wants to work for someone who defrauded you. The answer is still to go get a job that suits you better.
@@deadgolfer6345 Yes, everyone knows they’re paid by flight hours but most don’t expect to be working up to 12-15 hour days consistently. The contracts leave so much wiggle room for companies, while flight attendants are being burnt out daily. Most people sacrifice a lot to have that career field so it’s not easy to just quit like people think.
You knew the pay going in. If you do not like the pay then go somewhere else!!!!!!
Who decides what a “living wage” is? I wanted more money so I negotiated with my employer and got it. Take responsibility.
They have been in negotiations for years while these companies make billions paying people wages from early 2010s.
Why are flight attendants given this special treatment. It's called life choices, so find another job and stop begging for handouts.
Stop defending corporate greed . It’s not just flight attendants going through this.
Flight attendants make $70,000.00 a year so stop your whining crybabies.
Roflmao... Umm who and where is that happening? Maybe senior flight attendants but not the ones starting out!!!!!
@@GraciedogThe ones that want to work fulltime and do make that much across the entire country. The stewardess that complain about not making enough money are the same ones that make more excuses not to work than having reasons why they should work.
@Shadowman-1960 ... Roflmao.. stewardess? It's 2024, not 1972!! They work 70 to 100 hours a month. The first few years are rough!!!! They don't make alot!!!!!
It takes 10+ years and a lot of overtime to make 70,000 a year. Most flight attendants are making under 30k.
@@Graciedog If you've ever seen a male stewardess then you would know stewardess is the correct term for them, and very few people ever start at the top so most people have to work their way up the first few years, which no one said was easy. I worked for twenty five years as a Union Journeyman Roofer and never made more than 37,000.00 a year at a job that is far harder than anything the vast majority of people do, so I know how full of shit these crybabies are.
good looking flight attendants can get OF accounts to make extra $$$
Are these flight attendants not allowed to quit to go find employment elsewhere? If you aren’t making the amount of money you think you’re worth, then go find a different job. Once enough people quit, the airline will eventually have to pay a higher wage in order to retain talent.
Because we love our job and we aren’t going to leave because you say so. That’s why most of us have unions who are currently fighting for us against corporate greed. If these CEO’s can afford buy back and to give themselves over 3 million in raises after profits, they can afford to give us a better quality of life.
@@user-dz3up8xl8k the unions ARE the greed. Those CEO’s getting raises have far more responsibility on a day to day basis than somebody who reads a safety announcement off a card, and hands out drinks every few hours. I’ve been flying commercially every two or three weeks for the past twenty years for work, and I will say that the quality of customer service from flight attendants has gone down dramatically over the years. Keep in mind, just because you get to wear a skirt and heels for a uniform and travel on an airplane everyday, doesn’t mean you’re not an entry level employee a step away from working fast food.
Why is it yall always say "just quit" Because that backfires incredibly quickly when your vacation flight gets canceled and you wonder why places are short staffed with poor service. If they quit the plane stays on the ground.
@LightningSpeed64 you think a ceo has more responsibility than an FA in charge of the health and safety of the direct flying public 😂
@@Mt.Dwezzy CEO’s absolutely carry more responsibility and stress running a multibillion dollar company, than somebody working an entry level position. If being a flight attendant really carried that much stress and responsibility, they wouldn’t fill the positions with weak women and effeminate men.
I think she’s acting
That's my mom 😂 she ain't hurting for money but lots of her coworkers are
These flight attendants risk their lives everyday…some have even saved lives on these flights. Respect and livable wages is not asking for much.
@@KDAx05 I still think she’s acting
I think of she drank less, she could afford more.
Lmao my mom can afford anything but her coworkers can not