Honestly, this is why I like Bob's Burgers so much -- they show the marriage between Linda and Bob as pretty realistic. Some times, they both screw up. Some times they even argue. And hell, they've done the "I forgot our anniversary" cliché too, but they do it right. Bob has a reason for being forgetful -- he owns a damn restaurant and helps take care of three kids; that's a hectic life right there, and personally I'd forget shit too if I was trying to balance all that, AND worry about finances. But he also tries to make up for it AND admits "yeah I screwed up and forgot, I'm sorry". They, as a couple, some times argue, but it's not on the bitter level of "why did I marry you?" It's more... typical arguments. And they communicate. And they SHOW how much they love each other, without the forced plot of "oh he screwed up but NOW he's showing how much he loves me". Linda and Bob are an endearing marriage, and they don't have that annoying "dumb dad, smart mom" concept. Both can be smart and dumb some times. Like real human beings.
It's funny how the Adams Family, a sitcom from the 60s, has a way more progressive and healthy relationship than 90% of Family Sitcoms from the 90s to now.
@@IronPiedmont Gomez and Morticia are also better parents. Seriously, why can't the daughter go to cheerleader camp? The parents can afford to go to a classy restaurant, so money can't be the reason.
Maybe because the Addams Family have their madness out in the open, for every family member can openly deal with it. Even of that means they openly embrace and enjoy their insanity.
Meep Meepster this is mary 👧she makes references to other reviews in the comments and What she's doing is stupid and tedious She knows it's stupid and tedious But she is doing it anyway Don't be like mary
@@varietyhub2948what's tedious is wrapping on someone for making a simple joke that other people enjoyed, for absolutely no reason. Between you or "mary" I would rather be like Mary. She at least seems to have a sense of humor, rather than going into attack mode the instant they dont find a joke funny.
I think Bob's Burgers did a good job of subverting the "idiot father/exasperated mother" trope. Bob isn't usually dumb or uncaring and Linda is more silly than stupid. They both have distinct personalities, and despite their flaws, usually treat parenthood as an equal partnership.
You know I'm just watching all these cliches pop up and thinking yeah Gumball subverted that: "In-Law hate" -The Authority "Dad says yes because he's lazy" - The Castle "Mother tries to show she knows what's best" -The Limit "Father forgets important day" -The Fuss and of course "Why did you even marry him?" -The Choices. It's sad that a kids cartoon does adult drama better than an adult one.
LowPonView true but in the show, its made pretty clear that each character is super disfuctional. Its not exactly treated like something 'normal'. Also 'the fuss' is a fake out that plays against the trope of forgetful husband
They're dysfunctional, but you can see that they each care for one another. They aren't perfect, but they don't need to be, and that's why I love the Watterson Family so much.
I really hate the "addicted to sports" gag that's been done to death. How about at least changing what he's obsessed with? Like cooking shows or animal planet or anything really.
Or have the wife obsessed with sports.... hell, make a show about a couple who wants to spend their anniversary watching a sports game, but unexpected events keep getting in the way
Thank you for standing up for marriage, it's really sad how poorly it's portrayed in the media. I think it has contributed quite a bit to the divorce rates and overall disinterest in marriage.
Mortilum I mean I don't know entirely about that. It may be more like society and some people sometimes seems like it expects you to get married right out of high school or college. Not to mention so many people have kids while young and regret it because they don't know how to take care of a kid or properly deal with their emotions. Not to mention getting help, especially when its for your family, seems so taboo because of "pride."
@@cjcathead2468 I like to also elaborate those who want to be future parents tend to be very unequipped to even support a child let alone take care of. Another factor can also be that parents don't want to seek any proper training or any help is that they see them as property or extensions of themselves and doing so would be feel like an attack on them or you're taking away part of "who they are". Egotism and the "desire to dominate others" is a big problem in parenting and it a recipe for abuse. If this issue isn't settled, I think the current decline of marriage and birth rates is probably for the better.
It occurs to me that Hank Hill is probably the closet to an old school sitcom dad we've had in the last 20 years. Sure he's played as more flawed, especially in that he's stodgy and has issue's with anger, but he's motivated, generally level headed, and has his feet on the ground.
And he's often involved with his sons life. Granted he isn't the most open minded parent but it has been shown that his actions do come from a place of love.
Hank also is quite the craftsman during the entire runtime of the show i'd be surprised if pornstache in this show could even hold a hammer without injuring himself.
The sad irony of the Dumb Dad cliche is that it started out as a subversion of the Dumb Wife cliche used in older sitcoms. It went from being a subversion of forced gender roles to a reinforcement of them.
From what I've seen, it seems that some creators still think that we're living in the fifties and that having a woman do anything not traditionally feminine is somehow empowering. I'm going to go out on a limb and get political for a moment. I think this is a reflection of the attitudes of third-wave (modern-day) feminists. Their entire narrative is based on the idea that women are still oppressed and that men still dominate over them. However, if you ask them for evidence, they'll generally give you a completely and thoroughly debunked wage gap statistic or male-on-female rape statistic, or they'll dodge the question by saying you're sexist or telling you to "educate yourself." I'm glad that we have the anti-feminist movement now because I'm sick of seeing the opposite sex being constantly encouraged just for being born a certain way and occasionally being discouraged myself. I'm not saying men are oppressed yet, but it's a real possibility, and I don't want to see men become devalued and disposable. I don't think anyone needs to be "empowered" for superficial characteristics that don't matter.
TB Tabby Not only that, but it really feels like the Dumb Dad trope has reinforced the notion that women can't be funny. This in a country and in a medium where Lucille Ball was one of the biggest and most celebrated television stars of the 50s and 60s. Ironically, by reversing the tropes to make the husband the dumb one, feminism forced wives in sitcoms to become humorless nags who could never be seen as anything but the straight woman to the husband's goofy antics.
+MeowTheRainbowX Oh, women are still oppressed... in some parts of the world, where feminists won't take their battle because "that'd be insulting to their culture", even if said culture promotes pretty much everything they claim to be fighting against... it's pathetic to the point of being slightly humorous.
The funny thing is that Morticia and Gomez are so macabre, but they really have one of the most happiest relationships in fiction. Heck, I think they would be the ones giving out marriage counseling to those seemingly normal couples that have the most dysfunctional relationships. As crazy as the Adams are, I really feel that they are a family you would love to have.
I like how Married with Children parodied these tropes but threw in a twist by making the mom a selfish, lazy idiot shopaholic flirt who ignores her kids & has a phobia of employment, & the dad is competent but stubbornly old fashioned & the unluckiest man alive.
As far as stupid dads go, my favorite one was Danny's dad from Danny Phantom. He wasn't bright but him and Maddie had chemistry and he was a loving parent. :)
darkflame728 Jack was a good person and father. He wasn't perfect but there were several times in the show where he proves how much he loves and cares for his wife and kids.
Architect Ironturtle Guilherme Almeida Yup! Jack was a fun character and had good qualities (inventor, loving father and husband) to balance out his dumb behavior. That made his behavior actually enjoyable instead of groan inducing like these other dumb dads.
There's a similar argument about marching band going on. I'm a firm believer that marching band and cheerleading are both sports, since they're both physically and mentally demanding, along with requiring training and being incredibly competitive.
fun fact: my parent's are a reverse sitcom. my mom is the lazy dumb one, and my dad is the smart chore doing one. I find it proof the sitcom staples are lies
+Turquoise Cheetah Not always. I've had some friends who had very lazy dads, while the mom did all the cleaning. Though the dad wasn't dumb. My own parents are the opposite. My dad does all the cleaning, and my siblings and I do all the cooking. My mom pretty much just lays around doing hardly anything. Though she is super smart, and is actually way smarter than my dad, but she doesn't have the work ethic like my dad.
I was a cheerleader when I was younger and we went through so much training. We had to prove we had enough teamwork and strength to do more complex movements since every single practice we were told,"don't do this or this or this unless you can show us you can safely hold this." I may not be the biggest fan of it now but I have seen the danger first hand. So people saying it's not a sport has always gotten under my skin.
Cheerleading is basically a form of gymnastics, isn't it? While I think the costumes and pom-poms look silly, there's no doubt that it's a physically challenging sport, and not something people should be scoffing at.
ShadowRulah By that logic, nobody says "we're going to go boxing in the park for a while", or "we're going to go play ice hockey in the park for a while", or "we're going to go deadlifting in the park for a while", or "we're going to go play golf in the park for a while". Are none of those sports? How about swimming? Gymnastics? Beach volleyball? Water polo? Marathon running? Track racing? None of these are sports that are typically done in parks, does that make them not real sports?
It's no wonder 'Happily Married' warrants being a trope when being unhappily married seems to be the default status of fictional couples, rather than the exception.
I'm also tired of the 'jokes' that are essentially "dur hur marriage is lame and kids suck," as they're everywhere and I'm sure I've seen/heard/read them all. They're not original, they're not edgy, they're just annoying.
Even when I was little I never liked those jokes. Not because I didn't get them (cause I did), but because there were so many people telling the same joke that I actually started to ponder why people get married at all. And when they consistently tell the "kids sucks" jokes, as a kid I just wanted to punch them and as an adult I still do. The first question that comes to mind is: Why did you even fucking have them? As a kid I was more like: I'm sorry us kids are such a fucking nuisance to you parents, it's not like we choose to exist or anything.
People who don't 110% want to raise kids do it because LifeScript^TM or to give their parents grandbabies. The day when a *LOT* more people actually give a careful thought in regards to how much their lives would be affected by children and wether that would be truly worth it (in *earnest*, not just for brainwashing other people to become parents purposes) will be the day when these tired-ass "har har har, children suck!" jokes will finally start to recede to manageable levels. I never fully understood why the "har har har, marriage sucks!" joke/trope is still so damn prevalent even in the age of relaxed societal expectations to marry, less stigmatized divorce, and vastly reduced shame in being a single/cohabitating with unmarried SO/divorced parent. Obviously abusive marriages will always suck ass to infinity and people can't always leave or break up their marriages, but to all the people who aren't in this situation who constantly bitch and moan about how lame married life is *you* were the one who maybe didn't think about spending your life legally attached to your SO all the way through before signing the liscenses and *you* are the one who's too chicken/lazy to openly *talk* to your spouse, see a fucking counselor, separate, move out, or file divorce papers.
i've said it before and i'll say it again: watch moral orel. it basically takes all these sitcoms stereotypes and shows the actual real effects these sorts of tropes have in a real, actual relationship. classic sitcom cliches of the distant father, marriage based on nothing, the "morals" at the end of each episode and what those "morals" can mean for the actual child, it's dealt with so realistically that at some points its hard to watch for how real it can get.
I would pull for The Best Christmas Ever or maybe the series finale, but I feel like doing an admirable animation on the series finale might be alienating to the audience and would spoil an entire show before a lot of people have even seen it. or maybe Alone. or maybe Numb. there's too many great episodes to choose from. x_x
Yeah. That show became borderline uncomfortable due to how real it tackled these cliches to the point it could be literally talking about someone's life out there given how deeply religion is in areas of this country
Imo Moral Orel is one of the best animated shows I've seen for how it deals with its themes. It could have very easily been a "hurr hurr married life sucks and religious people are stupid" kind of parody (which it obviously does too), but they actually gave the characters deep-rooted, realistic reasons for their behaviour and had the effects of their actions continue throughout the show, making their references to said themes unsettling or even heartbreaking. Watching Orel and Clays talks go from being funny to downright unnerving as the series goes on is certainly something.
stride99 It's also the reason we give fish to cats. The meat supply was rationed, so people stopped giving it to their pets. And, fish is actually not good for cats. *The more you know
It's another reason we should have gotten The Patakis. Big Bob might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's motivated and compounds his neglect by also being an over baring stage dad. Miriam suffers from crippling alcoholism and is just as negligent as Bob. Moreover, Hey Arnold recognized that the Patakis were a very dysfunctional family resulting in one daughter that has tied her entire self-worth to her achievement and another that feels she must project an aura of toughness at all times.
I have a great idea for a show! A married couple who are both human beings instead of tropes, and deal with day to day situations, and they're both not stupid! You know like the shows of today but the characters aren't all trying to kill each other and aren't just tropes! WHOA! For real, though I agree, the whole "MARRIAGE IS BAD LOL HATE YOUR SPOUSE IT'S HOW YOU DO IT RIGHT" thing got old real quick. It's sad when the reactions of being happily married is "You're not tired of him yet?" from some people I've spoken to. They find out we knew each other for a long time, and they're surprised we still act like the best friends we've always been. I think we can partially blame these shows, I'm sure they had some influence. ...Although I really liked Home Improvement and King of the Hill, still do.
Almost no TV show addresses 'recording a show on VHS' due to the fact networks did not want to encourage activity that they had made illegal, despite the fact everyone did it anyways. Yes, they made sure recording a TV show was piracy.... and they wanted you to WATCH the ads, not fast forward through them :P
I thought there was some court case that determined that recording a show on VHS was legal so long as it was for personal use, and that's why VCR's were allowed to have TV tuners, and why we are able to DVR. There are many DVRs that allow you to save recorded video to your computer (or at least there is 1 because I had teachers do it back in middle school), but no one has them because so many cable companies (and now streaming services like PSvue) have them integrated into their service. The reason TV shows never did talked about it is because they didn't like it. It may be legal for your neighbor to put their garbage in your trash can, but that doesn't mean you have to like it. It may be legal for scalpers to resell NES classics, but that doesn't mean the gaming community has to encourage it. It may be legal to leave an engine block on your front lawn, but that doesn't mean your home owner's association can't say "you shouldn't do that." If any of these examples is illegal, the point remains.
The Laughing Rabbit I'm so happy television networks are dying, for too long they have had the gall to make taping illegal and never change their cable prices. They deserve to perish at the hands of Netflix and Hulu!
Making matters worse: TV recordings are sometimes(actually OFTEN TIMES) the only way to watch some shows these days. Without that, there would've been MANY shows that would just be completely lost to time!
Pelcogo At least you guys tried to do something. Brain and neck/spinal injuries occur frequently from players trying to instinctively protect their heads in a tackle. Because they have no choice.
Hey. At least they didn't have the genius kid. Or the goth misunderstood kid. Or the feminist sports girl. Or the Idiot kid. Or any other one note character trope that everyone should have grown out of after 2003.
spitfire 01 Holy crap. There was something about the Loud House that felt off for me. It's a show that is nothing but stereotypes mixed into one show...
That's why I like Beth and Jerry in Rick & Morty. They're a nasty deconstruction of this stupid sitcom trope. Even going as far as to kinda imply the really twisted and sick explanation as to why they are together when they are clearly one of the most toxic couples ever. In Big Trouble In Little Sanchez, its implied that Beth is drawn to Jerry because her self-loathing, feelings of inadequacy and petty immaturity forces her to find someone even more pathetic and childish than she is to feel superior to so she can feed her own small ego. Jerry is drawn to Beth because Beth's constant put downs and emasculation gives him someone to blame for his lot in life when, in truth, his miserable life is almost solely because he's a sniveling spineless half-wit. Summer has mentally and emotionally checked out. Morty finds every excuse to not be home even if it could get himself killed on a daily basis. They have given up on respecting their parents and latched on to another parental figure in Rick, even though he's a dangerous psycho. Just because they crave some kind of meaningful guidance. Its just beautiful to watch.
I like Bloberta and Clay Puppington for the exact same reasons--Clay is an alcoholic because of Bloberta's dysfunctional need to marry someone, ANYONE, due to her parents instilling that in her as the only way to be happy--thus manipulating him into drinking at a dance. Cue Orel, and now they both put on a show of "father knows best" style parenting even though they both have serious issues--hell, Orel even gets shot by Clay on a typical "father takes son on a hunting trip" episode.
"You should never sacrifice enjoyment on the alter of realism" thank you! I cant stand when people defend an exceptionally unlikable plot or character by saying "but sometimes this is how it is in real life".
Oddly enough, Malcom in the Middle comes to mind, though it is partly because Enter talked about it in his Deconstructing Reconstruction video. So I went and found a clip of the series finale, and Lois, their mom, made my blood boil. What kind of "realistic" parent would deliberately sabotage a high-paying career for their child?
@@KingYou2002 That's what I thought, in my opinion there's no such thing as "realism" at least in such media like this. It's all about entertainment and escapism, most people are operate though personal experience and protagonist syndrome, nobody really want nuance nor empathy for that matter, not audience or the creators of said media. When they take something that they witness and take it for granted, especially if the subject matter are life issues.
You know, even though Rugrats sort of followed this trope, it also subverted it at times. Sometimes Stu was the goof-off, but other times Didi was more airheaded, and betwixt the two it seemed like they were generally happy. Also, Stu did have a job and, while some of his inventions didn't work, it was clear that he was very creative and could build amazing things.
Stu usually just seemed to miss things rather than being an idiot. Like, he made an entire toy factory so he could make a bunch of dolls...but he forgot to switch it to the right setting. Or he caused a huge blackout because he made an 'antigravity playpen' or something...which worked, and that's something that eludes teams of scientists today.
I like what they did with Timmy Turner parents because is not just the father that is stupid, the Mother is also stupid (I mean, this is important to the plot of the show, Timmy have stupid parents to allow vicky to be his babysitter)
I dunno, to me it seems like it's a case where every single adult is stupid, not just the parents. Or pretty much everybody in the show is stupid to some extent. Depends on the episode, I think.
Lishadra That episode had multiple jokes. "What are they selling?" "CHOCOLATE!" "Nah, let's save that for real estate." "I love you." And the list goes on and on.
Okay, with what he pointed out about how this overused concept is causing people to think that EVERY marriage plays out like marriage in these sitcoms or in the jokes of cynical and uncreative comedians regardless of the fact that every person, let alone every couple is unique, I could not hit the like button hard enough. This trope is literally causing people to destroy relationships before they even start and without even trying to put in the effort it requires to make them work out. It depicts deeper relationships as being not worth the trouble. It is one of the most destructive tropes in media.
Kinda cool coming from him too, since I don't think he has any intentions of getting married or having kids. Even someone who should care as little about marriage as he should understands this.
I feel like Bob's Burgers is the perfect way to show a "realistic" family show without resorting to dumb dad and nitpicky moms cliche. Bob and Linda actually love eachother, and even though they have bumps every once in a while it is never enough to have you question why they are married in the first place. Even the kids are written pretty well and don't just have one personality or constantly hurt or sabotage eachother.
So true! Arguably, it's Linda who has her head up in the clouds most of the time. The difference is that you can actually see why they get together and we actually see them have romantic moments.
I don't think Malcolm in the middle fits that exactly. its clearly established that has and Lois love each other deeply, and both of them kind of subvert the tropes. hal is secretly kind of a genius and Lois is neurotic but wrong most of the time.
ninjalens I've never seen a neurotic person whose neurosis was based in any kind of common sense or logic. I don't get why it's portrayed as sensible so often.
Ac1dM0nk3y Hal is far from rational or reasonable. While, the show frames his actions from the perspective of Malcolm or his brothers, he regularly goes off the deep end, often becoming the epicenter of whatever shenanigans the family is getting themselves involved in. He is always trying to help, but his solutions are rarely proportional to the issue he's presented with. Louis is more subdued, she is often right about people or understands the broader context of a situation, but her way of interpreting it is extremely self-centered and idealized to the point of obsession.
Hal was also a caring father that wanted to be involved in his kids lives, stuff like getting upset that his oldest son didn't invite him to his wedding shows that he really cares.
My parents’ marriage is a combination of Beth and Jerry from Rick and Marty and Peter and Lois from Family Guy. It has no logical reason for existing, and yet they still love each other and stay together despite not knowing how or why. All of the conflicts you see that couples have in sitcoms are what they have in the real world. My dad hates my mom’s family because she always takes their side even when they blatantly insult him. As a result he fantasizes about killing them all. My mom complains that my dad never listens to her and that he’s an immature man child. In fact he’s so immature always does the opposite of what she says. I hate these sitcoms because it glamorizes couples like that when in reality it gives people a textbook example of a failing marriage and how it negatively affects the kids. I really wish my parents would just get a divorce and move on. They’re clearly not good for each other.
My guess is it's common either because the writers are motivated "personal experience" or they want some form of conflict in their story. You can also argue the fact that audiences eat this is because people are very naturally cynical, they take any negative thing of something and we judge it very harshly, we don't talk about anything positive things despite they outweigh it the bad. I would also like to say your parents sound like they're operate through egotism, cynicism and what I call protagonist syndrome, they can't really empathize with each other, expect the worst of each other and they see any form of criticism as a personal attack admitting to such faults is a form of weakness. Instead of having a very long sit-down to discuss and settle their mutual grievances and/or divorcing (that works too), they try to one up each other and see who has the last laugh. That's not a marriage that a competition or dangerous rivalry. Sorry I've been dragging this and playing armchair psychologist, I'm just trying to get my point across and discussing my take on this. Feel feel free to criticize this if you want.
Every time the dad opens his mouth to deliver the next line I feel like I’m gonna hear “the fitness gram pacer test is a multistage aerobic capacity test that progressively gets more difficult as it continues...”
+Who did you expect, Sportaflop because The Loud House shows that families can love eachother and not be dysfunctional like all these cartoons from the 90's and early 2000's
TheCrimsonMayhem poor Chris, he just wanted people to know he has some sort of connection to a movie and then people just make a meme out of it :( , then again he did talk about get out talking about how he grew up with black people which was weird
+TheCrimsonMayhem I had no idea that such a show even existed (Until Mr. Enter talked about it on his Deviant Art page)! And like other bad shows Mr. Enter reviews, it shouldn't have existed to begin with!
The only thing I didn't understand for a complaint was the girl's request. While it would be an issue if the camp was mentioned last, it was the other way around, so it makes sense the mother would be like, "Her request is reasonable and I said no, why would I let you go to Hawaii?".
Mikasota To be fair, the mother's reason for saying no was her moral objection to cheerleading and not the cost or distance of the camp. I think Mr Enter accidentally attacked it with the context of the reasoning given later in the episode.
God, this one hurt to watch...and a good trick for the 'hitting the head against the wall' thing, is actually to stop a bit early and if you want the effect, hit the wall with your foot. With hair like yours, it'll fly forward and make it look like you're hitting it without the actual trauma.
14:07 The son has one shoe. 14:08 He has two. 15:38 One again. This kid's constant losing & regaining of a shoe raises a question. Why is everyone wearing shoes in the house? Hell, why is the wife wearing heels if she's so opposed to sexism? The flashback was supposed to explain how they fell in love. Why was he already calling her his little pumpkin if they weren't in love yet? Isn't that really creepy & super condescending? Wasn't the son naked because he chose to be? If so, why was he covering himself & looking embarrassed? Censorship? Why have him be naked if you're too lazy to use proper censorship? Why not just position the shot above his crotch so he doesn't need to hide it from the audience's view?
My husband has mental health issues and he is more competent than these sitcom men. And funny story, my grandmother did pray for a companion (thinking dog) and then met my grandfather at a dance... technically, this was in the 1950s. And though she does do some of the "that man!" stuff, but they do seem to love each other.
Well, the Addams Family was a good show and a good family, unlike Chloe Carmichael's parents: Connie and Clark Carmichael. The Fairly Odd Parents is now a bad show with two parents that worship each other and their only daughter.
16:41 Whoa, your editor's animations of your avatar are really improving! Personally, the changes to the character design, such as the revealing of the face and removing the hat in exchange for facial hair had me a little uncertain at first, but the animation is so smooth and realistic!
I, for one, liked Malcolm in the Middle. At least the couple, though dysfunctional, do love each other. Hell Hal doesn't just love Lois, he absolutely worships her. And despite everything, all the mayhem and yelling, there are episodes that show the family not only loves each other, in their own dark way, but will do anything to make each other happy and are very protective of one and other. Like the episode where Lois is excluded by Hal's family to the point where she cries in the cupboard. And all the boys are incensed so they literally crash the party as revenge for hurting her.
The greatest RUclipsr lines “Hey all! Scott here!” Scott the woz “A CHUCKA NORRIS!” Nostalgia critic “THATS OUR FATHER! HE’S AN IDIOT! 😂” The Mysterious Mr Enter “I AM A MAN! *punch*” linkara “ASSSSSSS!” Angry video game nerd
Spouses hating each other was the reason I never found King of Queens funny. All they do is arguing with each other, why are they even married if they loathe the other person so much?
Yeah, especially Carrie who I hated the most, so much in fact that I think she's one of the worst characters ever, not just in the show itself, but in all of television history.
The only example of hyper competent mom and idiot dad that worked is Jack and Maddy Fenton, because while Jack was an idiot, he put his family above all else. Basically, he was dumb but not in the stereotypical dumb way. Also, he was a good dad, and Maddie didn't nag endlessly. I actually never realized how great of a couple they were.
KidAnarchy 2105 I always saw Jack as being reasonably smart but just really impulsive and not thinking before he acts. He gets so excited that he overlooks things
this reminds me of that one episode of Gumball, I think it was called "the fuss" basically Nicole thought that the day in the episode was their anniversary but their calendar was messed up and Nicole was the only one who was bamboozled by it. In the meantime Richard (who knew what day it was) tries desperately to figure out what was special about the unimportant day. It shows that he actually cares. that episode might not be the same but that's what it reminded me of.
I feel like this formula can be done well with a few twists. Instead of making the dad an idiot, make him extremely wise, but maybe not the best parent because he's more focused on a different type of agenda. Like, I don't know, make him a writer who constantly focuses on new ideas, or a mathematician who always devotes his attention to solving new problems. Instead of making the mother run the entire house and be right 24/7, make her more of a guiding figure who handles certain day-to-day problems for the other characters. But don't give her the answer to everything, instead make certain issues that the dad needs to be consulted for despite his odd priorities. You could get some very interesting character moments from that.
Wind Waker Link Never watched it. I guess I'll add on to my suggestion then. Give the guy an unorthodox philosophy that leads to him seeming neglectful when really he believes his kids should solve their problems on their own.
Are you talking about my life? My mom practically ran things, but only because my dad was a workaholic who was too scared of interacting with his kids for fear of failure due to a shitty past marriage. Now that I'm older, I've started to see how much he has contributed in my life and could contribute if he rearranged his priorities. While they fit the stereotypical mold more when I was younger, now they are starting to balance to where my mom is no longer an "all-knowing goddess" and my dad is no longer useless.
@@whensomethingcriesagain Basically Stu is shown to be quite smart, he's a toy inventor who regularly comes up with insanely complicated stuff...sometimes in really bizarre ways. But then he'll overlook something more obvious. Like, he makes Tommy a hovercraft toy but forgot to put new batteries in the remote, and thinks it failed because of that. Didi is a guiding figure, the kids love her and she tries hard to be a good parent...and she sort of subverts the idea of the mom always knowing what's best, because she worries about NOT having the answers, and is constantly in doubt about her own abilities and judgements, so she's always obsessed with parenting books and such.
The whole sitcom trope about "The idiot father, The neurosis mother, and the troublesome kids with a talking pet" is the reason why I never gotten into watching The Amazing World of Gumball. Despite how creative and great the show can be, I just can not get past how the Watterson family exactly follows this trope.
At least Homer usually gets what he deserves when he does something bad, and he honestly loves Marge, that is something that the Simpsons did well.... before kinda rebooting it because the series tries to be on the present time and it would be impossible for Bart to be in School if that was the case..... at least the writters know that they are kinda screwed
It's not even realistic, not all couples are like that, my parents live together and are happy and they're not even married! Sure there are issues, things aren't perfect, but it's nothing like that, when something went wrong they tried fixing it instead of saying it's because of us kids or whatnot (btw they watned us, we weren't accidents like in those show stereotypes, because yes wanting kids (and many at that) is a thing that happends, even if you aren't poor (also a stereotype)) if anything the reason those stereotypes are "realistic" is because people think they are and thus it's fine if it happens for them for real
Try a hand at an admirable animation of any of the first five seasons of Bob's Burgers. Sure, the show's boring to most, but it's relatable, clever, and well -written, and the marriage between Bob and Linda is actually tolerable and based on actual love.
I'm probably going to regret asking this, but can someone explain why people constantly villify Jerry Smith and idolize Beth? I know Jerry is an irritating moron, but that doesn't make him any more responsible for Beth's problems than Beth herself is. And he is 100% right about Rick. Beth is domineering and absolutely fine with endangering the lives of both her children because of her own abandonment issues. Don't get me wrong. I don't think Jerry is the greatest guy ever - quite the contrary - but Beth is undeniably an asshole and people keep treating her like she's some kind of victim.
Because people like Rick. Jerry can't win over the audience because he is in opposition to Rick and Beth won't support him since she will always take her fathers side to keep him from leaving again. Jerry is the default straight man in this comedy. Beth is the neurotic woobie. It's easier for the audience to side with the one with seemingly more depth.
I feel you and I see you've gotten one pretty good answer in here already. I don't get the hangup in the fandom of idolizing one or two characters and vilifying others. In Rick and Morty, the fact is they're... all pretty bad people. Summer and Morty are the closest thing to decent human beings, and being caught up in the orbit of their grandfather and their parents' unhappy marriage has been changing them throughout the series.
I dislike them both now, but in some of the earlier episodes, Jerry's clinginess came off as like, borderline emotional abuse to me. "If you ever cheat on me with him, I will go to your hotel room and blow my brains out all over your naked bodies-", when she's just going to work with a guy that she really seems to hate. Course, they both seemed to equal out in toxicity as things went on but initially it seemed like she was the less toxic of the two as Jerry was the one basically telling her that if she left him he'd kill himself.
+SunnysFilms I think it's because he's a bit of a coward. Granted, there are tons of terrifying things that happen in Rick & Morty, but Jerry doesn't really stick by his principles as soon as anyone applies a tiny bit of pressure. He crumples up and hopes someone can save him from having to make a choice, or that someone will deal with the problem for him. On the one hand, you could argue that "Yeah, that makes sense. Better to live quietly and live than die for a 'noble cause'" and you could also argue that Jerry is being very practical and realistic about his abilities (or lack thereof) but I think it's because he seems aware that he's pathetic and he uses that to his advantage for people to pity him. Sometimes it's unconscious, but other times he seems to bank on it. "Oh I'm just an average-average schlub possessing no charisma, charm, wealth, large amount of intelligence, or attractive physique. Haha, aren't I pathetic? You don't want to hurt me" is the vibe I get from him. It's a good defense tactic, I suppose, but it's still one that makes me feel contempt for him. He seems perfectly fine with his averageness but at the same time laments on how average he is, but he doesn't really do much to better himself, or if he does it is short-lived (granted, Rick likes to shut down anyone's attempts at self-actualization and effort to be better people).
A more realistic version of father's would be, " That's our father, he's emotionally unavailable and not present in my life!" I feel like I hear that one way more
Damn you're probably right. I think that one calls all the way to "Bewitched" when Endora (and various other members of Samatha's family) would show up dressed in all kinds of outlandish outfits and doing all kinds of outlandish stuff. Of course, it made sense for them.
This is why syndicated comic strips should never get their own show. Comic strips in the newspaper (as long as I've read them) consist of some kind of joke with a beginning, middle, and punchline to them. This and other comic strips that were turned into shows was basically the equivalent to stretching out one joke for the course of 22 minutes.
Beth and Jerry are interesting where other sitcom parents (the Griffins, the (modern) Simpsons, the Martins) are not because not only are they shown to care about their kids well being, but the show actually delves into why the couple has become codependent on each other despite the fact they clearly aren't in a happy marriage which is a really interesting twist on the whole dysfunctional married couple concept. Jerry needs Beth to feel successful in his life because besides being married to a somewhat successful woman he's accomplished nothing with his life. Meanwhile Beth needs Jerry because he makes her feel successful in comparison to her because she wanted to be a human surgeon and had to settle for being a horse surgeon; Jerry also gives Beth a sense of stability and companionship that she craved from her father because prior to season 3 Jerry would have never considered leaving Beth voluntarily. They are much more funny and interesting than other stupid dad/smart wife pairings because the nature of their relationship is just so interesting to watch and their banter is really funny at times.
Palkia239 H I agree about that too, Beth really seems to blame stuff on other people, like she really doesn't seem to care too much about her kids, and it's pretty obvious she didn't really want to have kids that much because she did say she contemplated on aborting Summer.
You know? Maybe Im too optimistic, but almost every married couple I know is still together and lovingly so. I mean, they arent in a constant honeymoon, and they went through hell to get where they are. They still face trouble, but marriage shouldnt be about pining on the hardships, but working through them for the good times. so thats why it angers me to hear the "Its realistic, so its horrible" argument. Because as we all know, we are all the same. This makes me thankful for the couples in things likr Phineas and Ferb or Steven Universe. Guess it must be a USA thing.
Not just you, most of the married couples I know are together lovingly too. And it's actually kind of worrying how the more dysfunctional situations are always lauded/defended as being "more realistic"...
I mean, I know "comedy equals tragedy" and that to some, showing dysfuntion as comedy makes light of it. But its annoying to me how much is the world embracing jerks and "Life is horrible" mentality. A couple who married through love and still love eachother but face a couple of hardships here and there sounds like an interesting concept. But no, everyone is a jerk, and we know you are a jerk as well. Sorry, Ive been having issues lately.
And that's what I was trying to convey before, that society in general just has this attitude of "realism = all bad", and that a functional and happy family cannot possibly exist for real... ignoring the many mostly happy and functional families there are, and that life can be genuinely good. No need to apologize, sorry about your issues...
Well of course they're gonna have a new kid added. Everyone knows that every sitcom has to have at least one character that's always crying and shitting themselves.
I learned a lot about cheer-leading from this episode and have now gained a new found respect for it. I learned nothing about marriage because my parents have been married for over thirty years, raised two kids and are still happily married.
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Honestly, this is why I like Bob's Burgers so much -- they show the marriage between Linda and Bob as pretty realistic. Some times, they both screw up. Some times they even argue. And hell, they've done the "I forgot our anniversary" cliché too, but they do it right. Bob has a reason for being forgetful -- he owns a damn restaurant and helps take care of three kids; that's a hectic life right there, and personally I'd forget shit too if I was trying to balance all that, AND worry about finances. But he also tries to make up for it AND admits "yeah I screwed up and forgot, I'm sorry". They, as a couple, some times argue, but it's not on the bitter level of "why did I marry you?" It's more... typical arguments. And they communicate. And they SHOW how much they love each other, without the forced plot of "oh he screwed up but NOW he's showing how much he loves me". Linda and Bob are an endearing marriage, and they don't have that annoying "dumb dad, smart mom" concept. Both can be smart and dumb some times. Like real human beings.
i love that show!
Blakely Wintersfield
Also, Linda is more of the idiot irresponsible parent, while Bob is the sane man
Blakely Wintersfield Agreed. Plus it really is hard to blame Bob for forgetting thier anniversary. I mean, the dude forgets HIS OWN BIRTHDAY!
It's interesting in that way, but I'm not a huge fan of that show, it's not really funny to me, at least, not enough to continually watch it.
YES, that was a clever subversion on the usual cliche. And it fits well considering Bob's the workaholic type, too.
"That's our father he's an idiot" That should be your copyrighted quote
I made a meme picture of "Because Potatoes" once.
No! No more copyrighting!
Stanley557
That sounds like a game show quote
Never thought this post would get so popular
At least the animation isn't that bad
It's funny how the Adams Family, a sitcom from the 60s, has a way more progressive and healthy relationship than 90% of Family Sitcoms from the 90s to now.
TheMellowFilmmaker
And it's also a better good show.
@@IronPiedmont Gomez and Morticia are also better parents. Seriously, why can't the daughter go to cheerleader camp? The parents can afford to go to a classy restaurant, so money can't be the reason.
Maybe because the Addams Family have their madness out in the open, for every family member can openly deal with it. Even of that means they openly embrace and enjoy their insanity.
My favorite Morticia & Gomez jokes were the S&M stuff that went WAY over the heads of anyone who didn't get it! 😜
And they torture and kill for fun.
Sitcom writers have 'disabilities.' I can't walk, and they can't write good marriages. :D
I was very confused until I remembered that other review
Meep Meepster this is mary 👧she makes references to other reviews in the comments and
What she's doing is stupid and tedious
She knows it's stupid and tedious
But she is doing it anyway
Don't be like mary
This comment was awesome
Lmao
@@varietyhub2948what's tedious is wrapping on someone for making a simple joke that other people enjoyed, for absolutely no reason.
Between you or "mary" I would rather be like Mary. She at least seems to have a sense of humor, rather than going into attack mode the instant they dont find a joke funny.
I think Bob's Burgers did a good job of subverting the "idiot father/exasperated mother" trope. Bob isn't usually dumb or uncaring and Linda is more silly than stupid. They both have distinct personalities, and despite their flaws, usually treat parenthood as an equal partnership.
Wrong 😑!.
Right!
Yep
They are both equally the voice of reason for the other at different times. It's great!
You know I'm just watching all these cliches pop up and thinking yeah Gumball subverted that: "In-Law hate" -The Authority "Dad says yes because he's lazy" - The Castle "Mother tries to show she knows what's best" -The Limit "Father forgets important day" -The Fuss and of course "Why did you even marry him?" -The Choices. It's sad that a kids cartoon does adult drama better than an adult one.
LowPonView agreed
LowPonView
true but in the show, its made pretty clear that each character is super disfuctional. Its not exactly treated like something 'normal'. Also 'the fuss' is a fake out that plays against the trope of forgetful husband
Jillian Lewis they're disfunctional but they show to actually care as a family
It didnt in every case though.
They're dysfunctional, but you can see that they each care for one another. They aren't perfect, but they don't need to be, and that's why I love the Watterson Family so much.
I really hate the "addicted to sports" gag that's been done to death. How about at least changing what he's obsessed with? Like cooking shows or animal planet or anything really.
Or have the wife obsessed with sports.... hell, make a show about a couple who wants to spend their anniversary watching a sports game, but unexpected events keep getting in the way
Pseudo Nym I don’t think that would be enough to carry a whole show. But there could be a episode
Being obsessed with Iron Chef .... now THAT'S realism!
Addicted to cocking shows
So...Randy Marsh from that South Park episode
@@EssexAggiegrad2011 Creme Fraiche!
Thank you for standing up for marriage, it's really sad how poorly it's portrayed in the media. I think it has contributed quite a bit to the divorce rates and overall disinterest in marriage.
Mortilum I mean I don't know entirely about that. It may be more like society and some people sometimes seems like it expects you to get married right out of high school or college. Not to mention so many people have kids while young and regret it because they don't know how to take care of a kid or properly deal with their emotions. Not to mention getting help, especially when its for your family, seems so taboo because of "pride."
There are a lot of factors present, but the media being the media definitely made it worse.
@@cjcathead2468 I like to also elaborate those who want to be future parents tend to be very unequipped to even support a child let alone take care of. Another factor can also be that parents don't want to seek any proper training or any help is that they see them as property or extensions of themselves and doing so would be feel like an attack on them or you're taking away part of "who they are". Egotism and the "desire to dominate others" is a big problem in parenting and it a recipe for abuse. If this issue isn't settled, I think the current decline of marriage and birth rates is probably for the better.
It occurs to me that Hank Hill is probably the closet to an old school sitcom dad we've had in the last 20 years. Sure he's played as more flawed, especially in that he's stodgy and has issue's with anger, but he's motivated, generally level headed, and has his feet on the ground.
And he's often involved with his sons life. Granted he isn't the most open minded parent but it has been shown that his actions do come from a place of love.
Yeah, King of the hill is the best adult show i have ever seen. It actually realistically portrays things, for the most part.
Matthew Castillo Bob from Bob's Burgers? Mr. Peanutbutter from Bojack Horseman?
He may often be stubborn and ignorant, but he does feel like he’s genuinely concerned and trying to help his family.
Hank also is quite the craftsman during the entire runtime of the show i'd be surprised if pornstache in this show could even hold a hammer without injuring himself.
The sad irony of the Dumb Dad cliche is that it started out as a subversion of the Dumb Wife cliche used in older sitcoms. It went from being a subversion of forced gender roles to a reinforcement of them.
From what I've seen, it seems that some creators still think that we're living in the fifties and that having a woman do anything not traditionally feminine is somehow empowering. I'm going to go out on a limb and get political for a moment. I think this is a reflection of the attitudes of third-wave (modern-day) feminists. Their entire narrative is based on the idea that women are still oppressed and that men still dominate over them. However, if you ask them for evidence, they'll generally give you a completely and thoroughly debunked wage gap statistic or male-on-female rape statistic, or they'll dodge the question by saying you're sexist or telling you to "educate yourself." I'm glad that we have the anti-feminist movement now because I'm sick of seeing the opposite sex being constantly encouraged just for being born a certain way and occasionally being discouraged myself. I'm not saying men are oppressed yet, but it's a real possibility, and I don't want to see men become devalued and disposable. I don't think anyone needs to be "empowered" for superficial characteristics that don't matter.
TB Tabby Not only that, but it really feels like the Dumb Dad trope has reinforced the notion that women can't be funny. This in a country and in a medium where Lucille Ball was one of the biggest and most celebrated television stars of the 50s and 60s. Ironically, by reversing the tropes to make the husband the dumb one, feminism forced wives in sitcoms to become humorless nags who could never be seen as anything but the straight woman to the husband's goofy antics.
Going back further, that also applies to Gracie Allen. Comedic mega star of the 40s and 50s.
+MeowTheRainbowX Oh, women are still oppressed... in some parts of the world, where feminists won't take their battle because "that'd be insulting to their culture", even if said culture promotes pretty much everything they claim to be fighting against... it's pathetic to the point of being slightly humorous.
+TMonager High Depending on how pathetic and how consequential the situation is, feminists can be flat-out hilarious. They're my favorite lolcow.
Shows like these make me appreciate how The Adams Family subverted the unhappy marriage sitcom trope
The funny thing is that Morticia and Gomez are so macabre, but they really have one of the most happiest relationships in fiction. Heck, I think they would be the ones giving out marriage counseling to those seemingly normal couples that have the most dysfunctional relationships. As crazy as the Adams are, I really feel that they are a family you would love to have.
The Addams Family subverted EVERY trope. lol....Well except for the one where the siblings fight.
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And even then its treated like it's no big deal. The kids in some iterations actually ENJOY maiming each other. It's just how they play
One thing I like that show.
Then they shot the franchise in 2019
"Hurr durr thats our father hes an idiot"
I like how its a staple now.
I like how Married with Children parodied these tropes but threw in a twist by making the mom a selfish, lazy idiot shopaholic flirt who ignores her kids & has a phobia of employment, & the dad is competent but stubbornly old fashioned & the unluckiest man alive.
He changes it up a bit in ReAnimated too. And Jimmy's Dad is quite disturbing. O_o
@@WillieManga makes me wonder how he became the principal of Jimmy's school.
@@WillieManga Ikr
It's sad that that's practically become a catchphrase at this point.
Why was the grandmother wearing a scuba diving suit? That sounds like a way more interesting story than the one we actually got.
Fair enough
Lol
I love how John doesn't point that out. XD
"abortion dont exist in the world of fiction"
wow that's pretty true
Mister LN tv wise ive only heard it mentioned was on rick and morty
Maximillian Lylat
And even then, they still didn't get one
It actually happened in BoJack Horseman, so it does.
We can't piss off Middle and Southern America, don't'cha'know.
Or maybe because they thought it was unethical and didn't want to do it (something Beth stated). Just saying.
As far as stupid dads go, my favorite one was Danny's dad from Danny Phantom. He wasn't bright but him and Maddie had chemistry and he was a loving parent. :)
And that guy was less dumb and more oblivious/obsessed. He did invent a bunch of useful tech after all.
darkflame728 Jack was a good person and father. He wasn't perfect but there were several times in the show where he proves how much he loves and cares for his wife and kids.
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Yup!
Jack was a fun character and had good qualities (inventor, loving father and husband) to balance out his dumb behavior. That made his behavior actually enjoyable instead of groan inducing like these other dumb dads.
darkflame728 I absolutely love Jack and Maddie.
In other words, The Bumbling Dad trope works on Jack because, while he is kind of dumb, he is also a Caring and Competent character.
That point about cheerleaders was spot on.
There's a similar argument about marching band going on. I'm a firm believer that marching band and cheerleading are both sports, since they're both physically and mentally demanding, along with requiring training and being incredibly competitive.
fun fact: my parent's are a reverse sitcom.
my mom is the lazy dumb one,
and my dad is the smart chore doing one.
I find it proof the sitcom staples are lies
That's very interesting.
But is your mom ugly and your dad hot?
Takumi Did Nothing Wrong my parents are also like that, and yes my mom is ugly and my dad is hot.
knight wing agreed
+Turquoise Cheetah
Not always. I've had some friends who had very lazy dads, while the mom did all the cleaning. Though the dad wasn't dumb.
My own parents are the opposite. My dad does all the cleaning, and my siblings and I do all the cooking. My mom pretty much just lays around doing hardly anything. Though she is super smart, and is actually way smarter than my dad, but she doesn't have the work ethic like my dad.
I was a cheerleader when I was younger and we went through so much training. We had to prove we had enough teamwork and strength to do more complex movements since every single practice we were told,"don't do this or this or this unless you can show us you can safely hold this." I may not be the biggest fan of it now but I have seen the danger first hand. So people saying it's not a sport has always gotten under my skin.
Cheerleading is basically a form of gymnastics, isn't it? While I think the costumes and pom-poms look silly, there's no doubt that it's a physically challenging sport, and not something people should be scoffing at.
Niobesnuppa you know the outfits and pom poems might make it seem less like a sport.
Nobody says "we're going to go cheerlead in the park for a while." That's why it's not a sport.
ShadowRulah By that logic, nobody says "we're going to go boxing in the park for a while", or "we're going to go play ice hockey in the park for a while", or "we're going to go deadlifting in the park for a while", or "we're going to go play golf in the park for a while". Are none of those sports? How about swimming? Gymnastics? Beach volleyball? Water polo? Marathon running? Track racing? None of these are sports that are typically done in parks, does that make them not real sports?
Blackestfang It is so a sport! I can’t believe people say otherwise. Good on you for putting yourself through physical hell
It's no wonder 'Happily Married' warrants being a trope when being unhappily married seems to be the default status of fictional couples, rather than the exception.
Same with "Good Parents" .
I'm also tired of the 'jokes' that are essentially "dur hur marriage is lame and kids suck," as they're everywhere and I'm sure I've seen/heard/read them all. They're not original, they're not edgy, they're just annoying.
cat-men miluk
Even when I was little I never liked those jokes. Not because I didn't get them (cause I did), but because there were so many people telling the same joke that I actually started to ponder why people get married at all. And when they consistently tell the "kids sucks" jokes, as a kid I just wanted to punch them and as an adult I still do. The first question that comes to mind is: Why did you even fucking have them? As a kid I was more like: I'm sorry us kids are such a fucking nuisance to you parents, it's not like we choose to exist or anything.
Organic Fantasy THANK YOU.
People who don't 110% want to raise kids do it because LifeScript^TM or to give their parents grandbabies. The day when a *LOT* more people actually give a careful thought in regards to how much their lives would be affected by children and wether that would be truly worth it (in *earnest*, not just for brainwashing other people to become parents purposes) will be the day when these tired-ass "har har har, children suck!" jokes will finally start to recede to manageable levels.
I never fully understood why the "har har har, marriage sucks!" joke/trope is still so damn prevalent even in the age of relaxed societal expectations to marry, less stigmatized divorce, and vastly reduced shame in being a single/cohabitating with unmarried SO/divorced parent. Obviously abusive marriages will always suck ass to infinity and people can't always leave or break up their marriages, but to all the people who aren't in this situation who constantly bitch and moan about how lame married life is *you* were the one who maybe didn't think about spending your life legally attached to your SO all the way through before signing the liscenses and *you* are the one who's too chicken/lazy to openly *talk* to your spouse, see a fucking counselor, separate, move out, or file divorce papers.
Organic Fantasy amen
i've said it before and i'll say it again: watch moral orel. it basically takes all these sitcoms stereotypes and shows the actual real effects these sorts of tropes have in a real, actual relationship. classic sitcom cliches of the distant father, marriage based on nothing, the "morals" at the end of each episode and what those "morals" can mean for the actual child, it's dealt with so realistically that at some points its hard to watch for how real it can get.
puptented i say nomination for admirable animation. either "nesting" or one of the season finales...
I would pull for The Best Christmas Ever or maybe the series finale, but I feel like doing an admirable animation on the series finale might be alienating to the audience and would spoil an entire show before a lot of people have even seen it. or maybe Alone. or maybe Numb. there's too many great episodes to choose from. x_x
Def Moral Orel. Though he said he usually does not do shows recommended to him, so hopefully.
Yeah. That show became borderline uncomfortable due to how real it tackled these cliches to the point it could be literally talking about someone's life out there given how deeply religion is in areas of this country
Imo Moral Orel is one of the best animated shows I've seen for how it deals with its themes. It could have very easily been a "hurr hurr married life sucks and religious people are stupid" kind of parody (which it obviously does too), but they actually gave the characters deep-rooted, realistic reasons for their behaviour and had the effects of their actions continue throughout the show, making their references to said themes unsettling or even heartbreaking.
Watching Orel and Clays talks go from being funny to downright unnerving as the series goes on is certainly something.
So, the only reason we have female cheerleader is because of WWII?
Learn something new every day.
stride99 It's also the reason we give fish to cats. The meat supply was rationed, so people stopped giving it to their pets. And, fish is actually not good for cats.
*The more you know
Greaseball Jones. Funny, thats the only flavour cat food my cat will eat. She hates chicken and beef but put tuna in her bowl and she loves it.
*Insert The More You Know music*
Why do feminist conplain about Trump? If people really think he's gonna start a war, that would do good
King Bradberry War is great for the economy, you know.
It's another reason we should have gotten The Patakis. Big Bob might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's motivated and compounds his neglect by also being an over baring stage dad. Miriam suffers from crippling alcoholism and is just as negligent as Bob. Moreover, Hey Arnold recognized that the Patakis were a very dysfunctional family resulting in one daughter that has tied her entire self-worth to her achievement and another that feels she must project an aura of toughness at all times.
That would have been a great show.
I have a great idea for a show! A married couple who are both human beings instead of tropes, and deal with day to day situations, and they're both not stupid! You know like the shows of today but the characters aren't all trying to kill each other and aren't just tropes! WHOA!
For real, though I agree, the whole "MARRIAGE IS BAD LOL HATE YOUR SPOUSE IT'S HOW YOU DO IT RIGHT" thing got old real quick. It's sad when the reactions of being happily married is "You're not tired of him yet?" from some people I've spoken to. They find out we knew each other for a long time, and they're surprised we still act like the best friends we've always been. I think we can partially blame these shows, I'm sure they had some influence.
...Although I really liked Home Improvement and King of the Hill, still do.
Hemuset That's a good idea!
LOL.
FUCKING GENIUS!
Hemuset "I can't understand what my husband is saying" great show
They tried that in the 1970s, but it was too boring, so they had to make all of the couples secret agents.
Almost no TV show addresses 'recording a show on VHS' due to the fact networks did not want to encourage activity that they had made illegal, despite the fact everyone did it anyways. Yes, they made sure recording a TV show was piracy.... and they wanted you to WATCH the ads, not fast forward through them :P
The Laughing Rabbit yeah I remember the warning on literally EVERY VHS movie
I thought there was some court case that determined that recording a show on VHS was legal so long as it was for personal use, and that's why VCR's were allowed to have TV tuners, and why we are able to DVR.
There are many DVRs that allow you to save recorded video to your computer (or at least there is 1 because I had teachers do it back in middle school), but no one has them because so many cable companies (and now streaming services like PSvue) have them integrated into their service.
The reason TV shows never did talked about it is because they didn't like it. It may be legal for your neighbor to put their garbage in your trash can, but that doesn't mean you have to like it. It may be legal for scalpers to resell NES classics, but that doesn't mean the gaming community has to encourage it. It may be legal to leave an engine block on your front lawn, but that doesn't mean your home owner's association can't say "you shouldn't do that." If any of these examples is illegal, the point remains.
catholiccontriversy but why didn't they like it?
The Laughing Rabbit I'm so happy television networks are dying, for too long they have had the gall to make taping illegal and never change their cable prices. They deserve to perish at the hands of Netflix and Hulu!
Making matters worse: TV recordings are sometimes(actually OFTEN TIMES) the only way to watch some shows these days. Without that, there would've been MANY shows that would just be completely lost to time!
Foot ball armor has been proven little to help prevent head trauma and long term brain damage. Cheer leading and football are both dangerous sports.
At least you Americans wear helmets and armor. Our players have to rely on nothing but jerseys.
Helmets do little to stop a head injury. You're basically shaking your brain inside your skull. Stick to flag foot ball. It's safer.
Pelcogo At least you guys tried to do something. Brain and neck/spinal injuries occur frequently from players trying to instinctively protect their heads in a tackle. Because they have no choice.
Yeah, the real solution is to not tackle anybody. Also just so we're clear I don't play sports I'm more of the artistic type.
life is head trauma tbh
Hey. At least they didn't have the genius kid. Or the goth misunderstood kid. Or the feminist sports girl. Or the Idiot kid. Or any other one note character trope that everyone should have grown out of after 2003.
spitfire 01 The Loud House gets it.
spitfire 01 Gosh, as if this show wasn't hard to watch as it is.
What do you mean? it uses all those tropes- and quite well.
I was trying to make a high brow joke about how people crap on this trope but those same people praise the Loud House for being original and funny.
spitfire 01 Holy crap. There was something about the Loud House that felt off for me. It's a show that is nothing but stereotypes mixed into one show...
That's why I like Beth and Jerry in Rick & Morty. They're a nasty deconstruction of this stupid sitcom trope. Even going as far as to kinda imply the really twisted and sick explanation as to why they are together when they are clearly one of the most toxic couples ever.
In Big Trouble In Little Sanchez, its implied that Beth is drawn to Jerry because her self-loathing, feelings of inadequacy and petty immaturity forces her to find someone even more pathetic and childish than she is to feel superior to so she can feed her own small ego. Jerry is drawn to Beth because Beth's constant put downs and emasculation gives him someone to blame for his lot in life when, in truth, his miserable life is almost solely because he's a sniveling spineless half-wit.
Summer has mentally and emotionally checked out. Morty finds every excuse to not be home even if it could get himself killed on a daily basis. They have given up on respecting their parents and latched on to another parental figure in Rick, even though he's a dangerous psycho. Just because they crave some kind of meaningful guidance.
Its just beautiful to watch.
Holy shit someone gets it
I like Bloberta and Clay Puppington for the exact same reasons--Clay is an alcoholic because of Bloberta's dysfunctional need to marry someone, ANYONE, due to her parents instilling that in her as the only way to be happy--thus manipulating him into drinking at a dance. Cue Orel, and now they both put on a show of "father knows best" style parenting even though they both have serious issues--hell, Orel even gets shot by Clay on a typical "father takes son on a hunting trip" episode.
Now THAT'S how you read a dysfunctional family!
@Trenton Animations Yeah, I love it because it *beats down* on the Dysfunctional Family thing hard like Rick and Morty does.
@@eatatjoe I see you're a person of good taste 👀
"You should never sacrifice enjoyment on the alter of realism" thank you! I cant stand when people defend an exceptionally unlikable plot or character by saying "but sometimes this is how it is in real life".
Oddly enough, Malcom in the Middle comes to mind, though it is partly because Enter talked about it in his Deconstructing Reconstruction video.
So I went and found a clip of the series finale, and Lois, their mom, made my blood boil. What kind of "realistic" parent would deliberately sabotage a high-paying career for their child?
This is not even realism. This is more like pessimism. Real life isn't always black and white. It's very nuanced.
This isn't realism. It's horrible stereotypes made to turn women into hyper powerful figures & turn men into slaves.
@@KingYou2002 That's what I thought, in my opinion there's no such thing as "realism" at least in such media like this. It's all about entertainment and escapism, most people are operate though personal experience and protagonist syndrome, nobody really want nuance nor empathy for that matter, not audience or the creators of said media. When they take something that they witness and take it for granted, especially if the subject matter are life issues.
I’ll always be on the side rooting for tv and movies to stay true to how humans in reality are.
You know, even though Rugrats sort of followed this trope, it also subverted it at times. Sometimes Stu was the goof-off, but other times Didi was more airheaded, and betwixt the two it seemed like they were generally happy. Also, Stu did have a job and, while some of his inventions didn't work, it was clear that he was very creative and could build amazing things.
Stu usually just seemed to miss things rather than being an idiot. Like, he made an entire toy factory so he could make a bunch of dolls...but he forgot to switch it to the right setting.
Or he caused a huge blackout because he made an 'antigravity playpen' or something...which worked, and that's something that eludes teams of scientists today.
It's been a while since Enter's gotten so mad that we've actually seen his face.
Sad it never became a meme
I like what they did with Timmy Turner parents because is not just the father that is stupid, the Mother is also stupid (I mean, this is important to the plot of the show, Timmy have stupid parents to allow vicky to be his babysitter)
Don't forget Anti Cosmo and Wanda, in which they are smart husband and idiot wife.
I think cosmo and wanda are okay because they're not parents, only poof but he doesn't do much (and post poof episodes are questionable)
I dunno, to me it seems like it's a case where every single adult is stupid, not just the parents. Or pretty much everybody in the show is stupid to some extent. Depends on the episode, I think.
+Renan43 How did Timmy get such stupid parents? Uh... Internet.
The Flying Jew Probably Craig's list to be more exact..
This looks like the most boring cartoon ever.
Baby Blues, which he showed a very short clip of at 2:52 is the most boring cartoon ever.
The voice acting alone has be believing this
It's up there, I watched a few episodes on my own
I’d say it’s basically Calliou for Adults
Just like Calliou It’s Canadian, bland looking, and has uninteresting plots
@@banjoplayingbison2275 except caillue makes me mad cause all the terrible things he gets away with
I just noticed something, Catherine O'Hara is not only the voice of Liz in Commited but she also did Jackie Martin in Glenn Martin DDS.
Or terrible decision making skills
@@cybercrasherstv boo, harsh. She permorms her best, I love this!
@@vintprox I just mean that when you go from belle to... This, ya kinda think that she could've picked better
@@cybercrasherstv Don't forget she was in Rapsitte Street Kids
@@cybercrasherstv No. Paige O'Hara.
Sometimes episodes based one one joke are funny. Chocolate with nuts, for example. But it isn't guaranteed to work.
*CHOCOLATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
Lishadra That episode had multiple jokes. "What are they selling?" "CHOCOLATE!" "Nah, let's save that for real estate." "I love you." And the list goes on and on.
CHOCOLATE! CHOCOLATE! CHOCOLATE! CHOCOLATE!
CHOCOLATE!!!
What have I done
Okay, with what he pointed out about how this overused concept is causing people to think that EVERY marriage plays out like marriage in these sitcoms or in the jokes of cynical and uncreative comedians regardless of the fact that every person, let alone every couple is unique, I could not hit the like button hard enough. This trope is literally causing people to destroy relationships before they even start and without even trying to put in the effort it requires to make them work out. It depicts deeper relationships as being not worth the trouble. It is one of the most destructive tropes in media.
Soul Noodle yep
I eat shitty food at taco bell
Kinda cool coming from him too, since I don't think he has any intentions of getting married or having kids. Even someone who should care as little about marriage as he should understands this.
Agreed completely
I feel like Bob's Burgers is the perfect way to show a "realistic" family show without resorting to dumb dad and nitpicky moms cliche.
Bob and Linda actually love eachother, and even though they have bumps every once in a while it is never enough to have you question why they are married in the first place. Even the kids are written pretty well and don't just have one personality or constantly hurt or sabotage eachother.
Touko White I agree
Carl Bloke I also agree! :)
Lover's Comet d me 3
Agree with you completely. I love Bob’s Burgers
“If I wanna see reality I’ll go outside”
I’m gonna save that one
"THAT'S OUR FATHER! HE'S AN IDIOT!!!"
----The Mysterious Mr. Enter
"Guys, I grew up with Committed, it was a big part of my childhood."
Wait, you're not Christ Stuckmann!
This is why I like Bob's Burgers. While Bob can be stupid at times, he's actually competent.
+Some Dude Yeah, I like how a lot of the characters in Bob's Burgers break the typical adult animated sitcom mold.
So true! Arguably, it's Linda who has her head up in the clouds most of the time. The difference is that you can actually see why they get together and we actually see them have romantic moments.
He actually comes off as the only reasonable person in the world.
Some Dude he's the only sane guy out of the entire cast
Every time I watch he's like the realist dude in the episode
I don't think Malcolm in the middle fits that exactly. its clearly established that has and Lois love each other deeply, and both of them kind of subvert the tropes. hal is secretly kind of a genius and Lois is neurotic but wrong most of the time.
ninjalens I've never seen a neurotic person whose neurosis was based in any kind of common sense or logic. I don't get why it's portrayed as sensible so often.
Ac1dM0nk3y Hal is far from rational or reasonable. While, the show frames his actions from the perspective of Malcolm or his brothers, he regularly goes off the deep end, often becoming the epicenter of whatever shenanigans the family is getting themselves involved in.
He is always trying to help, but his solutions are rarely proportional to the issue he's presented with.
Louis is more subdued, she is often right about people or understands the broader context of a situation, but her way of interpreting it is extremely self-centered and idealized to the point of obsession.
True as some of those points may be, I still agree with sentiment that, at the very least, he was for sure a downplayed version of the trope.
Hal was also a caring father that wanted to be involved in his kids lives, stuff like getting upset that his oldest son didn't invite him to his wedding shows that he really cares.
ninjalens Then there's Married With Children
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My parents’ marriage is a combination of Beth and Jerry from Rick and Marty and Peter and Lois from Family Guy. It has no logical reason for existing, and yet they still love each other and stay together despite not knowing how or why. All of the conflicts you see that couples have in sitcoms are what they have in the real world. My dad hates my mom’s family because she always takes their side even when they blatantly insult him. As a result he fantasizes about killing them all. My mom complains that my dad never listens to her and that he’s an immature man child. In fact he’s so immature always does the opposite of what she says. I hate these sitcoms because it glamorizes couples like that when in reality it gives people a textbook example of a failing marriage and how it negatively affects the kids. I really wish my parents would just get a divorce and move on. They’re clearly not good for each other.
Holy shit my condolences. Reminds me of my parents.
My guess is it's common either because the writers are motivated "personal experience" or they want some form of conflict in their story. You can also argue the fact that audiences eat this is because people are very naturally cynical, they take any negative thing of something and we judge it very harshly, we don't talk about anything positive things despite they outweigh it the bad. I would also like to say your parents sound like they're operate through egotism, cynicism and what I call protagonist syndrome, they can't really empathize with each other, expect the worst of each other and they see any form of criticism as a personal attack admitting to such faults is a form of weakness. Instead of having a very long sit-down to discuss and settle their mutual grievances and/or divorcing (that works too), they try to one up each other and see who has the last laugh. That's not a marriage that a competition or dangerous rivalry. Sorry I've been dragging this and playing armchair psychologist, I'm just trying to get my point across and discussing my take on this. Feel feel free to criticize this if you want.
"I haven't blinked in an hour," she says as she blinks. C'mon now, animators.
There's poor and lazy animation for ya...
I stopped watching memes for this, that's how much I love these videos.
I stopped storyboarding a cartoon pilot XD
Nova Space Heroes I stopped watching a Breath of the Wild letsplay for this
I stopped masturbationg to watch this
Nova Space Heroes I got off TV Tropes for this
Nova Space Heroes Same
The dog doesn’t even look like a dog, it looks like an aardvark
Your funnier than the show its self.
Agreed
Correct this show looks lame.
Everything is funnier than this show
Louie Man Gaming there are better animated adult cartoons than this, like King of the hill, or the PJs
Not that much of a compliment.
"You should never sacrifice enjoyment on the alter of realism."
Far from a mere T-shirt, I want this quote framed and fucking mounted.
Every time the dad opens his mouth to deliver the next line I feel like I’m gonna hear “the fitness gram pacer test is a multistage aerobic capacity test that progressively gets more difficult as it continues...”
All I can say is, THANK GOD FOR THE LOUD HOUSE!!!
died horse some day
+Who did you expect, Sportaflop because The Loud House shows that families can love eachother and not be dysfunctional like all these cartoons from the 90's and early 2000's
classicrockkid345 Doesn't re loud house use tropes like...on every character?
Nummy Num
tropes arent bad. if this were so, EVERY show would be bad. Hell, every THING would be bad.
Does anyone remembers this show? Cuz I don't.
Probably a reason....
"Guys, I grew up with Committed, it was a big part of my childhood."
-Chris Stuckmann
TheCrimsonMayhem poor Chris, he just wanted people to know he has some sort of connection to a movie and then people just make a meme out of it :( , then again he did talk about get out talking about how he grew up with black people which was weird
+TheCrimsonMayhem I had no idea that such a show even existed (Until Mr. Enter talked about it on his Deviant Art page)!
And like other bad shows Mr. Enter reviews, it shouldn't have existed to begin with!
TheCrimsonMayhem Nope.
The only thing I didn't understand for a complaint was the girl's request. While it would be an issue if the camp was mentioned last, it was the other way around, so it makes sense the mother would be like, "Her request is reasonable and I said no, why would I let you go to Hawaii?".
Probably an oversight on the part of the script writers. I wouldn't put it past these people.
Mikasota To be fair, the mother's reason for saying no was her moral objection to cheerleading and not the cost or distance of the camp. I think Mr Enter accidentally attacked it with the context of the reasoning given later in the episode.
So essentially this episode is like "The Choices" from Gumball if it sucked. That's good to know.
Wich Mr.Enter also reviewed
"I haven't blinked in an hour."
(as she fucking blinks) 12:29
God, this one hurt to watch...and a good trick for the 'hitting the head against the wall' thing, is actually to stop a bit early and if you want the effect, hit the wall with your foot. With hair like yours, it'll fly forward and make it look like you're hitting it without the actual trauma.
Why does that guy sound like a GoAnimate character
Why do I immediately think of Caillou whenever someone brings up GoAnimate?
@@LikaLaruku Cause Caylou gets grou ded videos are the most common?
Oh god
14:07 The son has one shoe. 14:08 He has two. 15:38 One again.
This kid's constant losing & regaining of a shoe raises a question. Why is everyone wearing shoes in the house? Hell, why is the wife wearing heels if she's so opposed to sexism?
The flashback was supposed to explain how they fell in love. Why was he already calling her his little pumpkin if they weren't in love yet? Isn't that really creepy & super condescending?
Wasn't the son naked because he chose to be? If so, why was he covering himself & looking embarrassed? Censorship? Why have him be naked if you're too lazy to use proper censorship? Why not just position the shot above his crotch so he doesn't need to hide it from the audience's view?
D YellowMadness You'd be great a Cinemasins.
Ant Amaya *ding*
"I'm not even in this marriage, and I want a divorce."
My husband has mental health issues and he is more competent than these sitcom men. And funny story, my grandmother did pray for a companion (thinking dog) and then met my grandfather at a dance... technically, this was in the 1950s. And though she does do some of the "that man!" stuff, but they do seem to love each other.
What's next? The rarely seen stereotype of the lovey dovey parents that will make out at the drop of a hat.
But see that was at least a functional family even though to outsiders they were odd.
Well, the Addams Family was a good show and a good family, unlike Chloe Carmichael's parents: Connie and Clark Carmichael. The Fairly Odd Parents is now a bad show with two parents that worship each other and their only daughter.
16:41
Whoa, your editor's animations of your avatar are really improving! Personally, the changes to the character design, such as the revealing of the face and removing the hat in exchange for facial hair had me a little uncertain at first, but the animation is so smooth and realistic!
I, for one, liked Malcolm in the Middle. At least the couple, though dysfunctional, do love each other. Hell Hal doesn't just love Lois, he absolutely worships her. And despite everything, all the mayhem and yelling, there are episodes that show the family not only loves each other, in their own dark way, but will do anything to make each other happy and are very protective of one and other. Like the episode where Lois is excluded by Hal's family to the point where she cries in the cupboard. And all the boys are incensed so they literally crash the party as revenge for hurting her.
Someone random
In what universe must I find myself in to see someone say "I, for one, liked Malcolm in the Middle."?
What a sorry state of affairs.
Spazer Dazer Why??
The series finale says otherwise
@@AkameGaKillfan777 okay tbf that was just a poorly written finale in general
"Thats our father, he's an idiot"! Lmao
>I'm not even in this marriage, and I want a divorce.
Yeah, that's how I felt when my parents would host large arguments right in front of me.
10pm? Notification? Must be a TheMysteriousMrEnter video.
Bailey Holmes OH BOY 10 PM!
I like the way you say documentary. It makes me happy.
The greatest RUclipsr lines
“Hey all! Scott here!” Scott the woz
“A CHUCKA NORRIS!” Nostalgia critic
“THATS OUR FATHER! HE’S AN IDIOT! 😂” The Mysterious Mr Enter
“I AM A MAN! *punch*” linkara
“ASSSSSSS!” Angry video game nerd
"Is this a documentary? No, this is not a documentary-it's a situational comedy." Still a good line.
Spouses hating each other was the reason I never found King of Queens funny. All they do is arguing with each other, why are they even married if they loathe the other person so much?
Yeah, especially Carrie who I hated the most, so much in fact that I think she's one of the worst characters ever, not just in the show itself, but in all of television history.
And not ONCE did I ever find her funny. She was a horrible woman and honestly didn't deserve to have anyone in her life, including Doug.
Semilocon Germanball Doesn’t that show still have an online presence, despite the fact that it was cancelled nearly 12 years ago?
Malcolm in the Middle had a slightly more competent dad, though everyone in that show was their own brand of crazy.
That was a good show.
well the mother is fucking insane and evil
I've heard otherwise, about their dad at least.
I just gotta say you look pretty cute, MrEnter.
Too bad aint a sexual being
I know, he sort of does right? Too bad he's ace.
He's an adorably fluffy hobo
Being asexual doesn't mean that you can't fall in love, or date....
DailyTomato I'm pretty sure he's aro, too
The only example of hyper competent mom and idiot dad that worked is Jack and Maddy Fenton, because while Jack was an idiot, he put his family above all else. Basically, he was dumb but not in the stereotypical dumb way. Also, he was a good dad, and Maddie didn't nag endlessly. I actually never realized how great of a couple they were.
KidAnarchy 2105 I always saw Jack as being reasonably smart but just really impulsive and not thinking before he acts. He gets so excited that he overlooks things
What show is this from?
Irish Phoenix Danny Phantom
“And the show treats the dog like he’s sagely wise.”
Well of course he’s wise, he’s knows that he’s a character in a cartoon.
this reminds me of that one episode of Gumball, I think it was called "the fuss"
basically Nicole thought that the day in the episode was their anniversary but their calendar was messed up and Nicole was the only one who was bamboozled by it. In the meantime Richard (who knew what day it was) tries desperately to figure out what was special about the unimportant day. It shows that he actually cares.
that episode might not be the same but that's what it reminded me of.
what about Red from that 70 show? I would say that half the time he was the most competent father character we've ever had in a sitcom
Bandersnatch41 Red was just amazing
But then his son (forgot his name) and Donna fall into that exact trope.
rdsasuke1 Eric
I didn't say the fell into tropes, I was just providing the name.
Oh
is it me or is the way the hair is drawn in this show is absolutely terrible
Ceazar Salad It's not you. The hair isn't drawn very well, and looks almost the same for everyone.
@@samuraifighterchick1456 Ikr
I feel like this formula can be done well with a few twists. Instead of making the dad an idiot, make him extremely wise, but maybe not the best parent because he's more focused on a different type of agenda. Like, I don't know, make him a writer who constantly focuses on new ideas, or a mathematician who always devotes his attention to solving new problems. Instead of making the mother run the entire house and be right 24/7, make her more of a guiding figure who handles certain day-to-day problems for the other characters. But don't give her the answer to everything, instead make certain issues that the dad needs to be consulted for despite his odd priorities. You could get some very interesting character moments from that.
So Rugrats. You are describing Stu and Didi Pickles from Rugrats.
Wind Waker Link Never watched it. I guess I'll add on to my suggestion then. Give the guy an unorthodox philosophy that leads to him seeming neglectful when really he believes his kids should solve their problems on their own.
Are you talking about my life?
My mom practically ran things, but only because my dad was a workaholic who was too scared of interacting with his kids for fear of failure due to a shitty past marriage. Now that I'm older, I've started to see how much he has contributed in my life and could contribute if he rearranged his priorities. While they fit the stereotypical mold more when I was younger, now they are starting to balance to where my mom is no longer an "all-knowing goddess" and my dad is no longer useless.
@@whensomethingcriesagain Basically Stu is shown to be quite smart, he's a toy inventor who regularly comes up with insanely complicated stuff...sometimes in really bizarre ways. But then he'll overlook something more obvious. Like, he makes Tommy a hovercraft toy but forgot to put new batteries in the remote, and thinks it failed because of that.
Didi is a guiding figure, the kids love her and she tries hard to be a good parent...and she sort of subverts the idea of the mom always knowing what's best, because she worries about NOT having the answers, and is constantly in doubt about her own abilities and judgements, so she's always obsessed with parenting books and such.
The whole sitcom trope about "The idiot father, The neurosis mother, and the troublesome kids with a talking pet" is the reason why I never gotten into watching The Amazing World of Gumball. Despite how creative and great the show can be, I just can not get past how the Watterson family exactly follows this trope.
Fair enough
At least Homer usually gets what he deserves when he does something bad, and he honestly loves Marge, that is something that the Simpsons did well.... before kinda rebooting it because the series tries to be on the present time and it would be impossible for Bart to be in School if that was the case..... at least the writters know that they are kinda screwed
Are you ever going to review the Family Guy episode where Stewie gets pregnant because of Brian
I think he said that he wasn't going to, maybe he put the reason why in one of his dA journals
Sam Walsh probably would be age restricted.
Sam Walsh let's be blunt he'd get a heart attack from that shit
the fact that exists makes me want to choke on uranium
according to his journal, it's not really shocking to him. Just boring.
It's not even realistic, not all couples are like that, my parents live together and are happy and they're not even married! Sure there are issues, things aren't perfect, but it's nothing like that, when something went wrong they tried fixing it instead of saying it's because of us kids or whatnot (btw they watned us, we weren't accidents like in those show stereotypes, because yes wanting kids (and many at that) is a thing that happends, even if you aren't poor (also a stereotype)) if anything the reason those stereotypes are "realistic" is because people think they are and thus it's fine if it happens for them for real
This proves how real life can be great enough while fictional universes can be too much trouble to be in.
The irony of seeing this 2 minutes after being posted
Try a hand at an admirable animation of any of the first five seasons of Bob's Burgers. Sure, the show's boring to most, but it's relatable, clever, and well -written, and the marriage between Bob and Linda is actually tolerable and based on actual love.
The biggest turnoff probably wasn't the humor, it was likely the choice of voices (for everyone but Bob) & the art style.
I'm probably going to regret asking this, but can someone explain why people constantly villify Jerry Smith and idolize Beth? I know Jerry is an irritating moron, but that doesn't make him any more responsible for Beth's problems than Beth herself is. And he is 100% right about Rick. Beth is domineering and absolutely fine with endangering the lives of both her children because of her own abandonment issues. Don't get me wrong. I don't think Jerry is the greatest guy ever - quite the contrary - but Beth is undeniably an asshole and people keep treating her like she's some kind of victim.
SunnysFilms Amen!
Because people like Rick. Jerry can't win over the audience because he is in opposition to Rick and Beth won't support him since she will always take her fathers side to keep him from leaving again. Jerry is the default straight man in this comedy. Beth is the neurotic woobie. It's easier for the audience to side with the one with seemingly more depth.
I feel you and I see you've gotten one pretty good answer in here already. I don't get the hangup in the fandom of idolizing one or two characters and vilifying others. In Rick and Morty, the fact is they're... all pretty bad people. Summer and Morty are the closest thing to decent human beings, and being caught up in the orbit of their grandfather and their parents' unhappy marriage has been changing them throughout the series.
I dislike them both now, but in some of the earlier episodes, Jerry's clinginess came off as like, borderline emotional abuse to me. "If you ever cheat on me with him, I will go to your hotel room and blow my brains out all over your naked bodies-", when she's just going to work with a guy that she really seems to hate.
Course, they both seemed to equal out in toxicity as things went on but initially it seemed like she was the less toxic of the two as Jerry was the one basically telling her that if she left him he'd kill himself.
+SunnysFilms I think it's because he's a bit of a coward. Granted, there are tons of terrifying things that happen in Rick & Morty, but Jerry doesn't really stick by his principles as soon as anyone applies a tiny bit of pressure. He crumples up and hopes someone can save him from having to make a choice, or that someone will deal with the problem for him. On the one hand, you could argue that "Yeah, that makes sense. Better to live quietly and live than die for a 'noble cause'" and you could also argue that Jerry is being very practical and realistic about his abilities (or lack thereof) but I think it's because he seems aware that he's pathetic and he uses that to his advantage for people to pity him. Sometimes it's unconscious, but other times he seems to bank on it. "Oh I'm just an average-average schlub possessing no charisma, charm, wealth, large amount of intelligence, or attractive physique. Haha, aren't I pathetic? You don't want to hurt me" is the vibe I get from him. It's a good defense tactic, I suppose, but it's still one that makes me feel contempt for him. He seems perfectly fine with his averageness but at the same time laments on how average he is, but he doesn't really do much to better himself, or if he does it is short-lived (granted, Rick likes to shut down anyone's attempts at self-actualization and effort to be better people).
I like enter's hair.
The lesson you can learn and never forget is only marry someone that you actually care for and like alot.
Careful you'll hurt your hair
It's too floofy to be injured
12:30
"I haven't blinked in an hour."
she says as she blinks
There's lazy and poor animation for ya...
A more realistic version of father's would be, " That's our father, he's emotionally unavailable and not present in my life!" I feel like I hear that one way more
you didn't see dilbert? that thing was brilliant.
Watching before it's taken down
My dad is dead
D I Why or Ayumi Shoko wtf
Well that escalated quickly.
+THE T.I.M NETWORK Scam companies have targeted Enter with fake copyright claims before.
Why the hell is the grandmother wearing SCUBA gear to baby sit?
Chris McWilliams wat
Damn you're probably right. I think that one calls all the way to "Bewitched" when Endora (and various other members of Samatha's family) would show up dressed in all kinds of outlandish outfits and doing all kinds of outlandish stuff. Of course, it made sense for them.
She's actually the most entertaining character in the show.
@@WillieManga not surprising.
Wow Enter's actually kinda cute, even though he was banging his head into a wall
This is why syndicated comic strips should never get their own show. Comic strips in the newspaper (as long as I've read them) consist of some kind of joke with a beginning, middle, and punchline to them. This and other comic strips that were turned into shows was basically the equivalent to stretching out one joke for the course of 22 minutes.
GrandOwlGaming Calvin and Hobbes could be a good show.
Makes sense; a 3-4 panel comic requires a very different sense of humor than a 22-minute show.
@GrandOwlGaming Agreed
Dilbert worked as a TV show because the set up lends itself to episode length plots. IT ALSO GIVES US LOUD HOWARD!
I've never heard about this show before.
Glad I haven't.
Well the one of the only one who works nowadays is jerry. He actually TRIES to be a good father,unlike peter griffin who never tries.
Palkia239 H yeah I do agree, he actually seems to care about his kids, and does try to be a father.
I actually don't like Beth. She just seems to not even really like her kids.
Beth and Jerry are interesting where other sitcom parents (the Griffins, the (modern) Simpsons, the Martins) are not because not only are they shown to care about their kids well being, but the show actually delves into why the couple has become codependent on each other despite the fact they clearly aren't in a happy marriage which is a really interesting twist on the whole dysfunctional married couple concept. Jerry needs Beth to feel successful in his life because besides being married to a somewhat successful woman he's accomplished nothing with his life. Meanwhile Beth needs Jerry because he makes her feel successful in comparison to her because she wanted to be a human surgeon and had to settle for being a horse surgeon; Jerry also gives Beth a sense of stability and companionship that she craved from her father because prior to season 3 Jerry would have never considered leaving Beth voluntarily. They are much more funny and interesting than other stupid dad/smart wife pairings because the nature of their relationship is just so interesting to watch and their banter is really funny at times.
I guess so but she just seems like she would be happier with literally anyone else.
Palkia239 H I agree about that too, Beth really seems to blame stuff on other people, like she really doesn't seem to care too much about her kids, and it's pretty obvious she didn't really want to have kids that much because she did say she contemplated on aborting Summer.
You know? Maybe Im too optimistic, but almost every married couple I know is still together and lovingly so. I mean, they arent in a constant honeymoon, and they went through hell to get where they are. They still face trouble, but marriage shouldnt be about pining on the hardships, but working through them for the good times. so thats why it angers me to hear the "Its realistic, so its horrible" argument. Because as we all know, we are all the same. This makes me thankful for the couples in things likr Phineas and Ferb or Steven Universe. Guess it must be a USA thing.
Not just you, most of the married couples I know are together lovingly too.
And it's actually kind of worrying how the more dysfunctional situations are always lauded/defended as being "more realistic"...
I mean, I know "comedy equals tragedy" and that to some, showing dysfuntion as comedy makes light of it. But its annoying to me how much is the world embracing jerks and "Life is horrible" mentality. A couple who married through love and still love eachother but face a couple of hardships here and there sounds like an interesting concept. But no, everyone is a jerk, and we know you are a jerk as well.
Sorry, Ive been having issues lately.
And that's what I was trying to convey before, that society in general just has this attitude of "realism = all bad", and that a functional and happy family cannot possibly exist for real... ignoring the many mostly happy and functional families there are, and that life can be genuinely good.
No need to apologize, sorry about your issues...
Well of course they're gonna have a new kid added. Everyone knows that every sitcom has to have at least one character that's always crying and shitting themselves.
I learned a lot about cheer-leading from this episode and have now gained a new found respect for it. I learned nothing about marriage because my parents have been married for over thirty years, raised two kids and are still happily married.