Dr. Abel Damina Commends Dr. Creflo Dollar On His Retraction/Confession Of The Teaching Of Tithing
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- "People are saying Creflo Dollar should refund all the tithe before they take him serious, are the saviour of the world? Is his repentance to them or Jesus? Is He accountable to the or to Jesus?....He doesn't owe ou an explanation..."
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Dr. Damian is a great gift to our generation I just love his teachings if I don't listen to his teachings for a single day I will not be happy so listening to his messages gives me joy because I know am growing in faith through Christ Jesus
Great gift that doesn't know where God dwells, who lied God doesn't lives in heaven?
Who lied tithe is old testament doctrines or order?
Who lied the apostles did taught tithe in the new testament?
Great before the unschooled.
DR. ABEL DAMINA 💖,,, ALL I COULD ASK GOD IS FOR YOU TO LIVE LONG AND FULFILL YOUR DESTINY IN CHRIST JESUS,, YOUR ALREADY BLESSED SIR 🙏
Dr Damina is a gift to our generation
Abel Dam I na is a great receiver and misleader, he is speaking lies in hypocrisy because his conscience is scared with a hot iron.
A gift of error...just as Creflo was hail many years back in what he called error now, so Damina will be seen as error in the future not far from now regard tithe etc.
This noise tithe is not new testament message or his claim that Tithes wasn't taught by the apostles is a big bang lies.
The apostles taught about it though it was brief to us in the bible BECAUSE it was Hebrews brethren that had problem about that and the priestly ministry.
How many bible verses of the new testament taught about the new priestly ministry of Christ and the believers?
Do you say because all the apostles didn't mentioned such then it is false teaching?
Hebrews 7:5-8 for example is clear on tithe, and moreso tithe is neither old testament order nor new testament order, before any testament was given tithe was given by Abraham and it so obivious Abraham won't do anything that is not commanded by God, and it was not written in the bible where God commanded Abraham to give the tithe, does that mean tithe is not by God commands to Abraham when he gave it?
You see many of preachers today don't know why the epistles were penned down in summary contents, that tithe or any subjects was not mentioned in the bible severally doesn't mean they don't practice such doctrine consistently.
Church still gives tithe till date as long as earth remains, tithe is part of given, and Hebrews told us it is the blessing of Greater on lesser even before the Law.
You see until Moses no testament was given to man....testament is a written Law of oath given by the blood, this is why Bible said the new testament was not established or enforced until Christ shed the blood.
Don't be carried away with all that Damina preached, i discovered some of his errors since 2001-2022 so i stop hearing him while i switched to Rev Chris Oyahkilome in my earlier days of Christianity.
Let me just hints you, many are just in the business of fighting for relevancy.
Abel Damina na wayo man. Very cunning and manipulative.
He knew if Creflo Dollars refunds all the seeds, tithes, first fruits etc he had collected before and backs it up with scriptures, he (Damina), will be in trouble and he will be forced to return all the money he had collected from people in the past, that's why he is trying to discourage Creflo not to refund any money, yet he (Damina) rejoices whenever Swiz bank returns Abacha's loot to Nigeria.
CONFIRMED HYPOCRITE!
I thank Pastor Creflo Dollar for the message on tithing. If one listens to the message with the true lenses, one will soon realize that the message seems to have been misinterpreted. Pastor Creflo Dollar did not say do not tithe; he advocated for tithing from a new heart. He actually shared with believers a liberated way of tithing or giving. Once one grabs a hold of the grace of God, legalistic tendencies are thrown out of the window. You no longer tithe as a command but free from the heart. I am proud of what he stood to say and I believe the understanding will liberate many believers.
why would he advocate for what he is not living(law)?
@@BisetsaBonnke Sorry I did not get your question clearly, could you please rephrase it?
Me too I love creflo's teaching
So agree Dr Abel and I’m so glad about Pastor Creflo listening to his messages over again. I was brought up with fear about tithes.
I agree with you tilthe Lessons only brings fear and quiltness.
Disobedience brings fear. Creflo was fearful because He knew he disobeyed God's commands. For you not to be guilty, you need to interpret it differently. It gives freedom, but freedom may lead you to the ditch. Not everything that feels right is good. God does not look at our feelings. He looks at our obedience to His words. If we sin, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins. Repent then tithe next time. Trust God to meet your needs.
Dr. Damina came out to say this years ago, and had so much back clash.
Blessings to you Dr Abel Damina
You deserve to be called Abel heaven and earth happy for you
😁😁😂🤣😁 Abel of mistake in heaven and earth.
Amen. This is my 3rd witness on Tithing. Thank you Dr Pastor Damina
The spirit of truth just cut through ✝️ pure and true 👌
This is one of the true Teachers that call a spade a spade
Thank you dr Abel Damina i love you so much.
Don't thank him yet because he is dashing out errors more than Creflo....
Read this:
A gift of error...just as Creflo was hail many years back in what he called error now, so Damina will be seen as error in the future not far from now regard tithe etc.
This noise tithe is not new testament message or his claim that Tithes wasn't taught by the apostles is a big bang lies.
The apostles taught about it though it was brief to us in the bible BECAUSE it was Hebrews brethren that had problem about that and the priestly ministry.
How many bible verses of the new testament taught about the new priestly ministry of Christ and the believers?
Do you say because all the apostles didn't mentioned such then it is false teaching?
Hebrews 7:5-8 for example is clear on tithe, and moreso tithe is neither old testament order nor new testament order, before any testament was given tithe was given by Abraham and it so obivious Abraham won't do anything that is not commanded by God, and it was not written in the bible where God commanded Abraham to give the tithe, does that mean tithe is not by God commands to Abraham when he gave it?
You see many of preachers today don't know why the epistles were penned down in summary contents, that tithe or any subjects was not mentioned in the bible severally doesn't mean they don't practice such doctrine consistently.
Church still gives tithe till date as long as earth remains, tithe is part of given, and Hebrews told us it is the blessing of Greater on lesser even before the Law.
You see until Moses no testament was given to man....testament is a written Law of oath given by the blood, this is why Bible said the new testament was not established or enforced until Christ shed the blood.
Don't be carried away with all that Damina preached, i discovered some of his errors since 2001-2022 so i stop hearing him while i switched to Rev Chris Oyahkilome in my earlier days of Christianity.
Let me just hints you, many are just in the business of fighting for relevancy.
More respect to you, Creflo
Thanks for teaching the truth sir, the subject is very important and so many believers don't understand this....
Wonderful message from him again; "Religion is ever learning and never able to come to the truth"
Glory to God
Dr Damian is great man of God. From Mozambique
Our celebrity pastors should follow suit
Abel damina is my spiritual father for good. What you teach now they are coming out one buy one thank you Dr Abel Damina
Damina will still apologise more than Creflo do, and Creflo is still coming back again to apologise for his error of lying against Christ about tithe he called strange teachings in the church.
Read this:
A gift of error...just as Creflo was hail many years back in what he called error now, so Damina will be seen as error in the future not far from now regard tithe etc.
This noise tithe is not new testament message or his claim that Tithes wasn't taught by the apostles is a big bang lies.
The apostles taught about it though it was brief to us in the bible BECAUSE it was Hebrews brethren that had problem about that and the priestly ministry.
How many bible verses of the new testament taught about the new priestly ministry of Christ and the believers?
Do you say because all the apostles didn't mentioned such then it is false teaching?
Hebrews 7:5-8 for example is clear on tithe, and moreso tithe is neither old testament order nor new testament order, before any testament was given tithe was given by Abraham and it so obivious Abraham won't do anything that is not commanded by God, and it was not written in the bible where God commanded Abraham to give the tithe, does that mean tithe is not by God commands to Abraham when he gave it?
You see many of preachers today don't know why the epistles were penned down in summary contents, that tithe or any subjects was not mentioned in the bible severally doesn't mean they don't practice such doctrine consistently.
Church still gives tithe till date as long as earth remains, tithe is part of given, and Hebrews told us it is the blessing of Greater on lesser even before the Law.
You see until Moses no testament was given to man....testament is a written Law of oath given by the blood, this is why Bible said the new testament was not established or enforced until Christ shed the blood.
Don't be carried away with all that Damina preached, i discovered some of his errors since 2001-2022 so i stop hearing him while i switched to Rev Chris Oyahkilome in my earlier days of Christianity.
Let me just hints you, many are just in the business of fighting for relevancy.
@@michaelgideon208where did Christ ask you to pay tithe biblically? How many times Jesus Christ emphasis on tithe in the Bible? Please give response with biblical reference.
@@Chief_Commander_MBE
How many times Jesus asked you to go to toilet?
You are asking senseless question, Hebrews 7:8 have shown you what tithes stands for being the church who had problem with the tithe issues, just as Corinthians did with spiritual things and Paul addressed them accordingly, your senseless pastors which you inherited ignorance from didn't taught that what you are reading in the bible is an epistles written to churches to explained to them what they were lacking in the subject of the gospel.
Where was bible written in the bible that you now accept it as God's book?
Where was Christianity written in the bible that you now accept that's your religion in your public documents?
Now let me give sense to you, Damina and Daddy freeze etc who teaches blindly, tithe is not a subject partaining to the Law, before the Law men lived without the Law and they served God, tithe wasn't the thing of the Law and Abraham through faith gave tithe before the law was given by Moses, so Bible said the Law is not of faith and now in Hebrews 7:8 bible shown what it is the meaning of tithe under the faith of Christ, he called it the blessing of the greater over the lesser, meaning when you give tithe to God greater blessings of God comes on you.
The Law said gives tithe and I would rebuked canker worms and open windows of heaven, but the gospel era says giving of tithe is a sign that your high priest lives on....
Tithe under the new testament is a seed of honour to your high priest which show your high priest lives on.
Hebrews explained how that under the Law the dead gives tithes to the dead high priest, but under the gospel the living gives tithe to the living high priest.
The reason you can't see it is because the veil of ignorance is still unremoved from you and your dense teachers.
Hebrews 7:8
[8]Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
As senseless as your teachers are they never seen this that the law is changed and the order of tithe changed as as well, we don't need dead high priest to received our tithe again but living high priest, just as Christ illustrated that you would asked when did I see you that I didn't clothes you? He said when those of these little one are naked but you ignore, same way when you refuse to give your tithe to pastors, teachers, apostles etc that now represents Jesus our living high priest in the church, then you've testified your high priest isn't living but dead.
Tithe is the sign that your high priest lives on....don't be deceived tithe is not of the Law before the Law was given by Moses tithe was giving, and when the Law came tithe continues according to the order of the Law, so when Grace and truth came the order of tithe changed as well to the gospel testament as written in Hebrews 7:8.
Hebrews 7 is well explained to the wise but fools argue blindly.
Hebrews 7:8
[8]Here mortal men received tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
Giving of tithes is a witness that your living high priest (Jesus) lives, as you give your tithes in the Church you witness that Jesus your high priest is alive as he receives of them (tithes) there ( in heaven).
Do you get sense now?
The high priest they have under the Law is a physical high priest, but the one we have under the new testament is a spiritual high priest in heaven receiving of all tithes there (in heaven).
Under the new testament you are not compel to give tithe to God as the law did, all you gives to God from your bounty, will offering, tithes etc bible said you give it not sparingly but bountifully and cheerfully.
The reason I used the world new testament is because to the Jewish fellow who followed Christ in his days on earth, the testament of Christ is new having the old one from Moses John 13:34, but to us it is just the testament of Christ given to us.
@@michaelgideon208U said a lot of nothing, no apology.
It's so interesting to understand grace concerning everything else except for tithing that benefited him and his family
Are you a modern day pharisee that you can't realize that everyone can make mistakes including pastors? Have you never made any mistakes in your life? He was hu.ble enough to apologize. How many so-called pastors will do what he just did? Before throwing stones and acting holier-than-thou, you need to first examine yourself first to make sure you yourself are not a without sin. Like Jesus said, he who has no sin let him cast the first stone. Enough said.
I dont think you understood him well, you're saying the same thing, his commending creflo dollar also
If I got my hands on wrongfully earned money, then later realized it was wrongfully acquired. Then I come forth acknowledge it was wrong, say I'm sorry but don't return it, would that be right? There are steps to repentance. Any good parent would teach their child this. And I am seeing more comments on someone going to hell for not tithing in a specific manner. At times Tithing in the old testament actually requires almost 23% when you include first fruits, second, poor man's and other types of tithes. And if you truly knew the old testament, tithes and taxes were almost the same thing. Unlike now where church and state are separate. Christ came for a reason. for us to learn to look deeper and valuate situations more profoundly not to judge by tribe, blood and single dimensional laws. No one said Christ condemned tithing but it is not ground to judge if a soul goes to hell or not. If one experiences the true love of Christ Jesus it would open our eyes to that, and giving more that 10% will not be force or fear of going to hell but willingness out of love Not Law. That is why we are called Christians.
I love this great man teaching. You must give devoid of pressure and obligation for no one buys his/her salvation by doling out money.
Glory! To God almighty! They are turning one by one in the of Jesus!
They never turn, even Damina....
Read this:
A gift of error...just as Creflo was hail many years back in what he called error now, so Damina will be seen as error in the future not far from now regard tithe etc.
This noise tithe is not new testament message or his claim that Tithes wasn't taught by the apostles is a big bang lies.
The apostles taught about it though it was brief to us in the bible BECAUSE it was Hebrews brethren that had problem about that and the priestly ministry.
How many bible verses of the new testament taught about the new priestly ministry of Christ and the believers?
Do you say because all the apostles didn't mentioned such then it is false teaching?
Hebrews 7:5-8 for example is clear on tithe, and moreso tithe is neither old testament order nor new testament order, before any testament was given tithe was given by Abraham and it so obivious Abraham won't do anything that is not commanded by God, and it was not written in the bible where God commanded Abraham to give the tithe, does that mean tithe is not by God commands to Abraham when he gave it?
You see many of preachers today don't know why the epistles were penned down in summary contents, that tithe or any subjects was not mentioned in the bible severally doesn't mean they don't practice such doctrine consistently.
Church still gives tithe till date as long as earth remains, tithe is part of given, and Hebrews told us it is the blessing of Greater on lesser even before the Law.
You see until Moses no testament was given to man....testament is a written Law of oath given by the blood, this is why Bible said the new testament was not established or enforced until Christ shed the blood.
Don't be carried away with all that Damina preached, i discovered some of his errors since 2001-2022 so i stop hearing him while i switched to Rev Chris Oyahkilome in my earlier days of Christianity.
Let me just hints you, many are just in the business of fighting for relevancy.
Yah we are keep on reading brothers and sisters in Christ
We all come to the unity of the faith.
The Light Of God's word is taking over the world,
Tithing is not new testament.
I am soo thankful he has come forward, however the person how made the offence is accountable to Christ and to the persons they offended. Many families were torn apart because of said teachings and family members were seen as non conformists because we disagreed with the Man of God for years, because of how steadfast he held to such teachings. James 5:16 say we must confess our sins one to another. Through this, as he is the shepherd, this action will help his sheep heal. To much is given much is expected.
Please kindly read mattew23 verse23 and Luke 11verse 42.Jesus didn't condemn thithing.who are u to.please stop misleading people
Tell those u call many families to reunited before they go to hell .y don't they read bible for themselves.people don't want to carry out their own cross .look at Jesus Christ not creflo dollar.is u who goes to hell , creflo dollar has repented.
@@matsobanetv this is quite a 1 dimensional fear filled reply. "before they go to hell"? All Christ like manner should be practiced out of love not fear of hell. This is true Christianity. "Tell those u call......."? The human soul and mind doesn't work like that As I am sure many have told Creflo his teachings were wrong, yet it took over 20 years later. Even your reply shows that no matter what is said to some persons they are so stuck in a specific way of thinking that the depths of Love and Dispensation of Grace through Christ falls on deaf ears that the easiest way to reach these persons in through Hell fire fear teachings.
@@sam-tc4oo I am sure nothing in my comment said anything of Jesus condemning tithes. Do not be so quick to judge. even better read my comments
It painful many don't know how blind is Damina about all these noise in the name of correcting people of the gospel he didn't get right himslef.
Read this:
A gift of error...just as Creflo was hail many years back in what he called error now, so Damina will be seen as error in the future not far from now regard tithe etc.
This noise tithe is not new testament message or his claim that Tithes wasn't taught by the apostles is a big bang lies.
The apostles taught about it though it was brief to us in the bible BECAUSE it was Hebrews brethren that had problem about that and the priestly ministry.
How many bible verses of the new testament taught about the new priestly ministry of Christ and the believers?
Do you say because all the apostles didn't mentioned such then it is false teaching?
Hebrews 7:5-8 for example is clear on tithe, and moreso tithe is neither old testament order nor new testament order, before any testament was given tithe was given by Abraham and it so obivious Abraham won't do anything that is not commanded by God, and it was not written in the bible where God commanded Abraham to give the tithe, does that mean tithe is not by God commands to Abraham when he gave it?
You see many of preachers today don't know why the epistles were penned down in summary contents, that tithe or any subjects was not mentioned in the bible severally doesn't mean they don't practice such doctrine consistently.
Church still gives tithe till date as long as earth remains, tithe is part of given, and Hebrews told us it is the blessing of Greater on lesser even before the Law.
You see until Moses no testament was given to man....testament is a written Law of oath given by the blood, this is why Bible said the new testament was not established or enforced until Christ shed the blood.
Don't be carried away with all that Damina preached, i discovered some of his errors since 2001-2022 so i stop hearing him while i switched to Rev Chris Oyahkilome in my earlier days of Christianity.
Let me just hints you, many are just in the business of fighting for relevancy.
May God continue to purify and rebuild His church worldwide.
Galatians 6:7-8
[7]Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
[8]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Wow..fear+guilt=religion
People have taught against Tithing for many years. Creflo Dollar is not the first to declare his change of mind and he influenced Abel Damina.
???
The scripture under attack is Malachi, yet that very scripture combines tithe and offering.
So we can remove both?
Hahahaha🤣🤣🤣🤣
Am just looking at all of them who have now kept quiet prior to Dollars repentance... They didn't see it coming 😂
He never repented about anything he is just scared of American government who is hunting after preachers, saying they are defrauding their citizen.
Jesus never told him tithe is not his commandment to the church...tithe is church doctrine from Christ, if Creflo and Damina don't know this they should go and enroll in foundation school of men of God who understand this things.
In the years back Jehovah witnesses, Church of Christ led this crusade against tithing calling it old testament doctrine.
Read this:
A gift of error...just as Creflo was hail many years back in what he called error now, so Damina will be seen as error in the future not far from now regard tithe etc.
This noise tithe is not new testament message or his claim that Tithes wasn't taught by the apostles is a big bang lies.
The apostles taught about it though it was brief to us in the bible BECAUSE it was Hebrews brethren that had problem about that and the priestly ministry.
How many bible verses of the new testament taught about the new priestly ministry of Christ and the believers?
Do you say because all the apostles didn't mentioned such then it is false teaching?
Hebrews 7:5-8 for example is clear on tithe, and moreso tithe is neither old testament order nor new testament order, before any testament was given tithe was given by Abraham to God through Melchizedeck and it so obivious Abraham won't do anything that is not commanded by God, and it was not written in the bible where God commanded Abraham to give the tithe, does that mean tithe is not by God commands to Abraham when he gave it?
You see many of preachers today don't know why the epistles were penned down in summary contents, that tithe or any subjects was not mentioned in the bible severally doesn't mean they don't practice such doctrine consistently.
Church still gives tithe till date as long as earth remains, tithe is part of given, and Hebrews told us it is the blessing of Greater on lesser even before the Law.
You see until Moses no testament was given to man....testament is a written Law of oath given by the blood, this is why Bible said the new testament was not established or enforced until Christ shed the blood.
Don't be carried away with all that Damina preached, i discovered some of his errors since 2001-2022 so i stop hearing him while i switched to Rev Chris Oyahkilome in my earlier days of Christianity.
Let me just hints you, many are just in the business of fighting for relevancy.
Is this who I should believe. The Bible asked, shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? The answer is ( God forbids). Now this man says that sin can not not may not, send you to hell. The Master said, if: If you continue then. Men of God this is the end time which the Bible says that even the elect may be deceived. If the devil did not fear God nor Jesus but went to tempt them, who are you mortal man?
A humble person will not say, I will not apologize. He said it is the tithe that put him where he is. Creflo Dollar is using another tactic for his congregation to give more. He realizes he will get more by offering than the tithes.
We are under new conveant, new promises. We are supposed to give more than 10% if we are able. More u sow. More u receive. Support your church period. Support your Pastor that should not be working but Support by church if able. Giving is act of Worship. More we mature, more we should be giving!!
@@philw9787 ...and it absolutely ok if u don't give a dime. U will not lack Gods blessings if u don't pay tithes (or whatever percentage), neither will u go to hell for not paying.
Differences in the old testament and new testament. God commanded in the old testament to observe tithing (Malachi 3:10), circumcision (Genesis 17:10), sabbath day (Exodus 20:8-11), stoning to death (John 8:1-11).
Why some ministries teach to practice tithing but not circumcision, sabbath day, and stoning to death. Why are they very choosy on what to teach.
In the new testament:
>Jesus never sent anyone to death.
>Jesus heals on the sabbath day.
>Jesus never commanded his disciples to collect the tithes and offerings.
>Giving is to the poor (Luke 19:8-9, Mark 10:21, Matthew 26:8-9, Acts 10:4).
Once tithe is canceled, what is the future hope of the winner chapel?
God bless you Dr. Damina
Dont pray that yet:
Read this:
A gift of error...just as Creflo was hail many years back in what he called error now, so Damina will be seen as error in the future not far from now regard tithe etc.
This noise tithe is not new testament message or his claim that Tithes wasn't taught by the apostles is a big bang lies.
The apostles taught about it though it was brief to us in the bible BECAUSE it was Hebrews brethren that had problem about that and the priestly ministry.
How many bible verses of the new testament taught about the new priestly ministry of Christ and the believers?
Do you say because all the apostles didn't mentioned such then it is false teaching?
Hebrews 7:5-8 for example is clear on tithe, and moreso tithe is neither old testament order nor new testament order, before any testament was given tithe was given by Abraham and it so obivious Abraham won't do anything that is not commanded by God, and it was not written in the bible where God commanded Abraham to give the tithe, does that mean tithe is not by God commands to Abraham when he gave it?
You see many of preachers today don't know why the epistles were penned down in summary contents, that tithe or any subjects was not mentioned in the bible severally doesn't mean they don't practice such doctrine consistently.
Church still gives tithe till date as long as earth remains, tithe is part of given, and Hebrews told us it is the blessing of Greater on lesser even before the Law.
You see until Moses no testament was given to man....testament is a written Law of oath given by the blood, this is why Bible said the new testament was not established or enforced until Christ shed the blood.
Don't be carried away with all that Damina preached, i discovered some of his errors since 2001-2022 so i stop hearing him while i switched to Rev Chris Oyahkilome in my earlier days of Christianity.
Let me just hints you, many are just in the business of fighting for relevancy.
@@michaelgideon208 you don't have to labour so hard. Relax and leave Damina and those who follow him alone. Continue following Chris Oyakhilome in peace. Spiritual matters are personal Sir.
@@priestzadok6466
Labour as how?
@@michaelgideon208 I meant your long post on this over-beaten topic of tithe. God bless you Sir.
@@priestzadok6466
It's in the nature of himan being not to be satisfied, if i only mentioned scriptures without explanation you will still askes healthy questions.
Great Truth🙏
Great one sir
Lost Generation 💔😭😭 why is it Christians your religion is always discovering and contradicting itself always? Put a camera in this explorer's life outside the pulpit and you know Majority of Them don't have a life with God 💔
I have been tithing all my life n I have received miracles y should I stop wat is working for me?
Exactly... l will never stop either... NEVER... life has been too good for me.. Tithing is an honour principle... not a money principle
If it works for you then continue, it's a free world you can whatever you want.
Thanks
One day i told my parents you are over tithing they were upset😥
Amen
Okay... so we're not paying the tithe anymore. So, quick question: what do we now do with our money?
Give freely without compulsion and manipulation.
Truth.
This is end times. Apostasy is coming even to the elect. The devil is deceiving these pastors. When He comes, will He find faith? If God does not have your heart on obedience on tithing, you do not have heart on obeying other things as well. You are telling God that His words are not true. Render to Caesar what is Caesar's and render to God what is God's. Does this sound tithing from the mouth of Jesus? Do not be deceived. Your eternity maybe on the line.
Dont mind them, they didn't heard from Jesus from the onset.
Tithe is neither new testament order or old tenement order, it was God's commandment to Abraham before any testament was given to man.
Until Moses no testament was given, testament is a written Law of oath given by the blood and such contract never took place between man and God until Moses....so Damina should keep his lies and blindness to his members jhoor.
He lied apsotles does teached tithing in the new testament what of Hebrews 7:5-8, where it was even established as blessing of greater on the lesser, even Jesus our high prieat bible said he receive of them (tithes), there (in heaven).
He need better class and not this noise on half knowledge.
This was why he was making noise God doesn't kives in heaven, when He did before created heavens and earth was made.
Jesus heaven revealed it in John 3:13 but he can't see it because he never know what kind of Heaven mentioned there.
So how do believe other of his teachings if he still growing
An insight
Its the Faith in you that makes you a Faithful tither. And tithing is really not for everybody. It's okay if you don't want to tithe but please don't try to deceive people to follow you.
When you recieve Wotowoto from religion, your eye go clear
@@tyoakaananen114😂😂
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Creflo is accountable to Jesus and Jesus spoke about restitution and remorse. Bullying so many people out of their money and not even showing a little remorse is odd becuase surely Creflo was the one who spoke about shooting non-tithers outside the church's parking lot...
But I thought Jesus forgave us equally
@@audiasimei6552 never heard of restitution?
@@deonnel7401you need confessions and be born again to be safe and not restitution.
This is what Creflo should do; Hey Creflo, how about a refund. Luke 19:8 Then Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord, I give half of my goods to the poor; and if I have taken anything from anyone by false accusation, I restore fourfold.” 9 And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because he also is a son of Abraham; 10 for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.” I guess salvation has not come to the house of the Dollar's!
I simply cannot understand this... Is he saying he relied on his flesh to teach him for years and now he is sorry?? What else do we know he has taught in error and he will be sorry for later...
Personally he didn't need to do that. He did much harm than good. Maybe he should have resigned as a pastor then because his confession I like he is admitting to misleading his flock.
There is nothing wrong in being more enlightened by the Holy Spirit but coming to say all books and sermons should be thrown away shows more than a realisation of grace but more of whether he should be listened to as a man who hears from God or not
@@4Jay384 Tah!
@@4Jay384 To me, it's another one of his con-jobs. He's not sorry in the least bit. He says he was not confronted with the gospel of grace. Well, the gospel of grace is Christ died, rose from the dead the third day, and whoever confesses that should be saved. He said that God woke him up at 5 A.M. and told him to write something down as not to forget it. He, lying! If there were any truth to what he says, then God should have told him 30 years ago he was teaching false doctrine. He's also throwing a guilt trip on the people. He says the man who earns $250,000 a year should give God more. The word faith movement is a con, and sadly if they don't repent, they all may end up in hell! What good dose it profit a man if he gains the whole and in turn loses his own soul.
So how many people did he actually refunded back?
@@04105er I don't know if he did or not. I come to believe that every preacher teaching a financial gospel is a false prophet not sent by God. The blessing of Abram/Abraham is imputed righteousness for those who believe that Christ died and rose again. This is the word which was spoken to Abram: Christ is the seed in which all the nations of the world would be blessed. Jesus came to save our souls, not to fill our pockets with silver and gold.
Please we need to differentiate between Old Testament and and Old Covenant. The Old Testament is from Genesis to Malachi. The Old Covenant or The Law was started with Moses, John 1:17. The LAW OF TITHING was under the Old Covenant or the Law.
But the concept of TITHING did not start under the LAW or the OLD COVENANT. It started in the Old Testament by Revelation through Abraham.
Under the NEW COVENANT, yes, giving is by GRACE. And grace demands more. That is, the minimum is 10%. The Law is the minimum guide or requirement. The Law points us to Grace, Galatians 3.24. Under the LAW, having extra marital affair is ADULTERY. Under GRACE, looking after a women lustfully in your heart means or implies you have committed ADULTERY already, Mathew 5:27-28. So, GRACE demands more. Apostle stated, should we continue to sin or do wrong because of Grace, Romans 6:1-2. Certainly not. Grace still puts demand on us. The LAW was our SCHOOL MASTER, implies guidance, Galatians 3:24.
I have 2 videos I thought on this and Giving to the Needy issue in Mathew 25:31-46 in simplicity. I may put the link here later.
This is coming from a student of Law, Theology and Psychotherapy in postgraduate levels who appreciate Balance, Evidence, Critical Thinking and emotional intelligence and above all loves Jesus dearly with passion and excitement.
Luke 11:41-42 Hebrews 7:4
Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils to Melchizedek. True. However, we are not told of another incident where the patriach tithed again. These are issues worth talking about in this subject.
The church leadership in Jerusalem relieved the Gentiles of the burden of circumcision and the Jewish laws and traditions of which Peter admitted was too heavy for them, the Jews, to bear.
@@chigozieenyoghasi4523 Good point raised about not being told Abraham gave tithe again.
The Concept of Argument from Silence (legally) comes into play here. Not being told Abraham gave Tithes again does not imply he gave again or not. It could lean to either side. But we know his grandson Jacob did. Where did he get the Intelligence from? Either by Revelation, Illumination, Inspiration or through Oral Tradition. In Oral Tradition, Knowledge is handed down from generation to generation.
Example
Hebrews 11.4 says by FAITH Abel brought better sacrifice (Firstlings, Tithe) than Cain.
Faith comes by HEARING and the WORD OF GOD. That means Abel heard the Word of God about sacrifice either through his father Adam teaching him or by direct Revelation from God. Genesis 4:3-5 Abel brought Firstlings (Tithe) of his business.
So, the concept of First or Firstlings or Firstfruits or Tithe is throughout the Bible.
Proverbs 3:9 Honour God with Firstfruits.
Romans 11:16 If the Firstfruits is Holy or separated unto God, implies the total or whole is holy.
Space and Time will not allow me talk about Modus Operandi of Melchizedek priesthood juxtapositioned with Jesus' priesthood and how TITHING is significant to the Order, Hebrews 7:1-10.
Moreover, Jesus speaking to the Pharisees asserted the CONTINUITY of Tithe. We are NOT told of any limitations to the assertion regardingTIME and RACE, Luke 11:41-42, Mathew23:23. But we know the Apostles heard Him that is why Mathew and Dr Luke have recorded it. So, from the perspective of the Apostles ,Jesus endorsed TITHING whether to the Jews alone or all people.
You only tell someone to stop an action when it is leaning to the wrong direction. And Silence implies CONTINUITY.
EXAMPLE
A driving instructor and one taking driving lessons.
@@kasiamah2639 Good points and analysis.
However, tithe is not the same as firstfruits, so I wonder why you have chosen to use the two interchangeably. I’m sure you know this. Don’t make the scriptures say what it is not saying.
Again, it was not recorded that Isaac, Abraham's son, tithed, despite his father being the first to do so. Jacob’s tithing was conditional (Gen. 28:20-22). The concept of tithing was not mentioned again until the time of Moses.
Jesus’ ministry was primarily to the Jews, so all his teachings while He walked the earth was in the midst of His brethren, so it makes all the sense that He addressed them according to their culture and traditions. Again, while He, Jesus, was still on earth, He had not fulfilled the law. At His death, having died sinless and spotless, the requirements of the law was fulfilled. Henceforth, whoever placed faith in Jesus gets accepted by God on the basis of the righteousness of Christ, not on the basis of what he/she has or could do.
At the Jerusalem council, the matter of making the gentiles live by the old testament laws was put away by JEWISH apostles. Had this been done by gentile converts, that passage could still be debated till date because some of us would have accused the gentile proponents of convenience Christianity. Paul abundatly made it clear that the law does not justify anyone.
Again, the majority of Christians take Sunday to be the Holy Day unto the Lord, but that is contrary to Jewish customs and traditions as seen in the scriptures. To make matters worse, the Sabbath day was given a place in the 10 commandments with strong emphasis made. Why then did we choose our own day, Sunday, to be sabbath? The same freedom that gentiles were given is the obvious answer. Romans 14: 5-6.
If the concept of tithing should be shoved down the throats of believers as we claim it should, then I wonder why the apostles (Paul in particular) did not mention it at all in all his letters to the gentile church. Think about that. New Testament giving, especially for gentiles (you and I 😁) is founded upon 2 Cor. 9:7. Also, God also addressed the issue of possible negligence on the part of gentile believers in Gal. 6:6, that the congregation should share with their pastor their blessings.
The proper attitude should be to trust God’s faithfulness to always supply the needs of His ministers.
While I understand that most of us have been taught these principles from childhood, we have to actually sift them from an unbiased perspective, to know what concerns us, gentile believers, and what does not.
Lumping everyone of us under the Jewish umbrella is delusional and fallacious.
If I say that the book of Hebrews was written specifically to Jewish Christians (just as the name implies), I’ll be stretching this matter longer than necessary. But that is the obvious truth.
Finally, there are certain principles in the Bible that we can imbibe as gentiles, but they have to be from an position of understanding, and also from the standpointof freedom in Christ. Whatever will equal legalism should never be accepted.
(sorry I replied late. I had so much to attend to). 😊
Let me add that giving to God has to be done from a position of love, not force, coercion, emotionalism or guilt. We should give to God because He first gave us, and we love Him enough to understand that we are because He is, and we have because He gave us. If believers are properly taught this, and each one left to decide what to give as im 2 Cor. 9:7, we’ll be happier and better off.
@@chigozieenyoghasi4523
1 Timothy 1:8 KJV
The Law is good if one use it wisely or rightly.
Romans 7:10-12 8:1-4 The problem is not the Law. But an Alien that has invaded or infiltrated the Good Law. This Allien is personified as another LAW called the Law of SIN AND DEATH or FLESH.
So, under GRACE, you should murder, steal, obey your parents, which are not found at the 1st Ecumenical Council at Jerusalem at Acts 15:29 are stll vwrong.
Time and space will not allow me to talk about Melchizedek SYSTEM which is a parallel, paradigm or pattern of Jesus system or structure.
What Does Luke 11:42 and Mathew 23:23 Mean to the Apostles?
So he makes money and then apologize?
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But it says pay tithe in black and white. Malachi 3:10 Can we just cancel that part of the bible then.
I'm surprised at your age your are still very gullible. Malachi 3:10 is God talking to the priests not you for crying out loud.
Malachi is in old testment now we are in new testment we dont have to depand on Law.
Are you a Jew?
@@josephmwewa6210 Marriage is in the OT. Should we stop getting married? Healing is in the OT, should we live in sickness? Blessing is in the OT, should we live and die in poverty?
You see they can still argue Malachi....because of the content of Law that presentwd tithes here as judgemental acts...but before the Law and the old testament Abraham already gave tithe by faith and not by the Law or any testament.
There was no testament given until Moses...we need to enroll Damina ane Creflo into better class.
Jesus still receives them (i.e tithes) there in (heaven) says Hebrews 7:5-8.
How do you explain Peter's response to Saphia and Ananias
What is the mistake in a first place?
What is the thanking God about error, Is it because Creflo Dollar not getting the message of the gospel or tithing?
How then did Jesus sent him when he wasn't understanding the message?
You see mostly many preachers don't just understand the gospel yet.
When all Damina is telling people heaven at last is not a message of the Goodnews because he was thinking God doesn't lived in heaven before the created heavens and earth were made.
You see he himself should be taught that God lives in a kind of Heaven called etertnal heaven before the created heavens was made (i.e spiritual heaven and terrestrial heaven), Genesis 1:1-8....Isaiah and Jesus told us where God lived before Genesis 1:1, if Damina doesn't kow it is called heaven i know this over 18 years ago, Jesus called it heaven in John 3:13, and his father's house in John 14:1-5, Isaiah called it eternity....it is also called the kingdom of Heaven, but what heaven? Eternal heaven, this heaven was not created it co-existed with God being his environment called the realm of Light and Life.
The problem here is we are in a world where everyone is fighting for rlevance.
Tithe is not new testament or old testament teaching it is teaching of faith as bible mehtioned.
Now tithe was not giving by the Law but by the faith, before any testament of both the new order and the old order was given tithe already.
Damina lied that Tithe was not teaching in the new testament but here i will prove him wrong that tithe was taught in the new testament being part of given and bible called it the blessing of greater over the lesser, more the sign that our high priest lives in heaven, he went further and said Jesus who is our high priest after the order of Melchizedeck recieved them (tithes) there (in heaven) Hebrews 7:1-8.
Damina shoulf just stop preaching bible like a small boy.
Look as him calling Creflo Dollat boy as if he had achieve as much as Creflo.
The same Creflo said Jesus told him what he didn't now so he will come back to apologise the second time.
Most pastors don't have the revelation of Christ they are just doing trial an error.
In reality the structure and the governmental order of Christ to the church he promised build, is not found with most churches in this days.
Bible show us those structures and pattern.
In reality a pastors don't establish church, they are meant to be under the governmental structure of Christ, whereby the apostles is place as the executive arm of Christ government, follow by the legislative arm of his church government (the prophets), then the judiciary i.e the Teacher, Rabbi or the scribe.
These are those bible called the sent one, not the appointed ministry of the pastors and Evangelists, then the honorary ministry of bishops, Deaconry, and the elect lady of Christ.
The reason both those who felt they have the real teaching, and those one seen as error are both machinery of blunders, is BECAUSE the structure is breach...and he that break the hedge the serpent bite.
The best things is everybody should just keep quiet and correct themselves secretly and not on social media.
After all this long "epistle", You didn't lead Your reader to any destination. That means You're not yet grounded enough in what You believe. Please, don't mislead when You've not yet led Yourself rightly. Thank
What is being wrong by hono(u)ring God with firstfruits?...not from being good to worse by silly arguments that doesn't have back or forth...
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It's also important that that as he instructed that all the books and tapes been thrown away,he should also restore all he had got through it for complete repentance my take
Exactly...these men don't know what they are saying and what is the real fear of Creflo.
His fear is not Christ but American government going after preachers, saying they are defrauding their citizen etc.
Creflo Dollar didn't retract anything.
This is complete rubbish. If he says tithing is wrong, then he should as well return ALL the money he collected from the church as tithe. If he doesn't do that, then he's teaching fellow preachers to collect tithes, claim they've repented and get away with it. That would be the perfect way to scam people and avoid the consequences - just say you've repented and you've gotten away with all your crimes, right? This man should stop preaching confusion. So killers, rapists, armed robbers and other criminals should just claim they've repented and they'll not restore what they destroyed or compensate for the mess they've created? Please stop confusing yourself abeg.
Two confused people. Abel and creflo
Restitution is prerequisite for repentance. Dr. Damina You are wrong.
Who is THIS PASTOR defending ? Himself or Creflo Dollar ? Is it because he was teaching the same things in the past ? We are talking about people who are misleading christians, stealing millions from poor people, when it's time to repent of these rubbish, let's do it well. Selah !
Only about 1% of Nigerians pay tithes consistently. That 1% is mostly pastors, ministers, deacons, etc. The conversation about tithing by people that don't pay tithes is a waste of time...
Satan is salivating right now.
As long as the conversation is not about soul-winning, prayer, holiness, faith, righteousness, satan is happy?
Up till now both of them are still lying big...Jesus never taught them or spoke to them about anything regard tithes or Grace...it is what they read overtimes and still fell into errors.
Tithe remain God command to his church, just as he commanded Abram before the Law and old testament was GIVEN to Moses.
Until Moses no testament was given, so tithe is neither old tenement order or new tenement order, both New and old testament adopted tithe...tithe is a faith thing said Hebrews not of the Law Hebrews 7:5-8.
Jesus being our high priest withoyt physical altar, bible said receives of them ((tithes), there (in heaven).
He called it blessing of greater on ghe lesseer he didn't called it the Law.
Damina needs to repent from his noise.
The spirit of truth just cut through ✝️ pure and true 👌