@@twelvethrower24 yeah. Historia was wasted. No longer living her life with pride. Everything was ruined. Unless the anime changes the ending than AOT's legacy is destroyed.
@@calvinliemarvin4473 compared to ymir this still wholesome in some "ways" because i can describe ymir fritz in 6 word: ntr "mind break" "loli" "cheating" "ugly bastard" and etc if you want to add something else
One of the worst character regressions ever is probably Reiner going from a foil for Eren to a dumbass sniffing a married woman’s letters not even addressed to him. A woman he hadn’t seen for nearly a decade by the end.
@@rickchakraborty2087 When Eren bitches about Mikasa moving on. Ending defenders: "NoOoOoo it just humanizes him. Your just mad he loves Mikasa and not Historia" *_Meanwhile ignoring that chapter 130 is one of the greatest chapters in the arc, and maybe even the series. Where Eren is indeed. Being humanized and breaking down._* I bet you those are the SAME people who didn't like Eren crying in the past seasons.
I like Reiner and Berdholt the 2 have also regretted their actions and were punished but Annie has neither regretted their actions nor was she punished, so I don't like Annie
Reiner just kept being a failure through and through, smelling a married woman's letter(which wasn't even written to him) lmao. He should've made a sacrifice play in the end for his character arc to be complete. As Cheif already said so in the video, only Bertolt got a satisfying ending to his character arc.
you're half right, because I think you forgot that Reiner tried so hard to convince Marley to attack Shiganshina, which caused many Eldians from Paradis to die. So if he was truly sorry, he would not have done that. And don't give me the "because they attacked Liberio" excuse. Eren's attack on Liberio was not the start of everything, it was just a continuation of the circle of violence that Marley started. Reiner destroyed the gates TWO times, he attacked Paradis twice and on top of that, Marley declared war first. So Eren had every right to attack.
@@JA-vu8my rights don’t exist at all. However Eren was dealing a giant blow to Marley’s military which was also a trap laid out by the Marleyan themselves in the internment zone, letting more innocent Eldians die. The battle in Liberio was similar to the raid on stohess and despite Eren having killed all those people, I believe most of the blame should be put on the Marleyan scumbags who created the whole situation. Just like the Survey Corps decided to risk the whole city being razed to capture Annie back in Stohess a lot of the blame should be on them for having decided to attempt to apprehend Annie at all costs. Eren didn’t have the right to do what he did just because ‘oh they did it first’ but he had a hell of a good motive for it. The military was all there, conveniently placed for him to annihilate, and considering the declaration of war above him, it was exactly what he had to do. I know you left this comment a long time ago but i just wanted to give my opinion 😅 peace ✌🏻
@@mattiaachille233It's not about whether Eren was right or wrong but rather about what could have done Marleyans literally declared war on his people and if he hadn't attacked Liberio that night then Paradise Island would have been destroyed long ago That attack got them one of the most powerful titans and weakened Marley's military power which gave Eren enough time to start the rumbling So if you ask me then yeah it was the only thing that he could have done
Armin should’ve been madly coming up with strategies but instead he’s on the boat confessing his love to Annie like a middle schooler or some shit. Annie serves no purpose in the story post crystal other than being Armins waifu while millions of people are being crushed to death, Isayama is a psycho lmao
Armin should have been going ham with strats to fuck up Marley not this passafist shit , and yea Annie came back only to just be another titan shifter no character development , no redemption arc , no punishment for her actions She just kills people and walks away.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 It's funny how Eren and Zeke (and by extension Bertholdt ) are pretty much the only ones who suffer any form of consequences to their actions. Levi wants to murder tf out of Zeke for killing survey corps members, but Annie was slaughtering them like flies by the dozen and legit took away his entire OG squad, and he's cool with her? She slaughtered countless during her battle with Eren within the walls and everyone's just cool with her? Reiner was single-handedly responsible for wiping out an entire district and no one wants him dead but himself? Jean doesn't want him dead for what he did to Marco? Pieck was legit right there assisting Zeke and slaughtering the entirety of the Survey Corps and, because she's "cUtE wAiFu", she gets a solid pass? All of these guys were slaughtering everyone and destroying everything Eren cared for long before he even became a Titan Shifter, and none of them take any form of responsibility for creating the "monster" he became nor suffer any consequences to the actions they committed which ultimately resulted in the Rumbling? Not even Gabi suffers anything, and she not only killed Sasha (something I was more mad about than Connie, Jean, Armin, and Mikasa combined) but beat a poor guy across the head with a brick for checking up on her. Instead, they all get shonen motivations which grants them plot-armor. It's like, Isayama tried SO hard to make Paradis look like the bad-guys and it just wasn't working. Eren didn't clap first; Eren clapped back.
@@6ixlxrd Ishyama was trying to hard with this both sides nonsense and if they just talked it out bullshit which can work on paper but the problem is he didn't lay down the ground work the alliance existing made no narrative since other then to set up his big climatic kaiju final battle the setting also didn't accommodate for a " everyone gets along peace ending" again Ishyama could have made it work he just didn't .
@@6ixlxrd Funny. The Titan Shifters are based on bullies, and Eren is the kid who fights back against the bullies. Yams is basically saying to let the bullies win 🤮
Even I came up with a plan. Reiner hides everyone inside the Armor Titan's asshole. Then they're protected when Armin nukes Eren! It's still better than Armong's not-plan!
Cause he isn't bias and will criticize when a problem in the story is there. Now people talking about why are you criticizing now instead of before chapter 139 and I say its because we can wait till the series is finished up before we critique it. Teachers don't grade tests that are incomplete so it's the same here. Unfortunately AoT didn't tie in these questions left in the manga in its final chapters but simply ignored it or rewrote the problems all together with new problems with easier solutions that ironically get ignored too.(Worm that started Titans but just gets ignored?)
@@mr.unknown731 this so much. *True* fans will criticize something because they care about it. It’s not because “they’re just hating on it” because if they hated it they wouldn’t be here criticizing it. The fact that they are giving this show the time of day shows that these so called toxic fans do cared, and ironically, the fake fans were the ones ridiculing the ones criticizing it.
completely agree with you on reiner though. was disappointing to see his badass intimidating transformer armored titan dragged around battle after battle. was hoping in the end he'd get to kick some major ass, especially after isayama stating that reiner was his favorite for this volume. him running up to the worm and tackling it looked promising but in the end it never mattered, because isayama suddenly remembered about mikasa, whom he seemed to ignore altogether until the very end .
I’ll never understand how anyone especially Levi is cool with Annie when he literally raped his squad in front of him. Then commander maggot his hatred for the eldians disappeared quickly. Jean got over marco too quick .Everyone’s just cool with the warriors and more then happy to side with them and the world who want to kill them instead of standing with eren there comrade (even though they ruined the there lives). I’ll never forgive isayama for the ending ruined peak fiction on purpose for no justifiable reason
The scouts basically betrayed Eren and Paradis, by siding with the side who actually wants their Island to get wiped out of existence, Eren's "friends" betrayed him and sided with the enemy, just to get rid of Eren even though they know what he's doing is only for their sake and what will happen next if they stop and kill Eren. They had to be remembered about that for some reason by a "side" character named Floch, that if they stop Eren, they are all doomed. Hanji acknowledged that, but even then she hopes(just like Armin) they will be able to bring peace by their talks after defeating Eren? What happened to Hanji, Armin and Jean, the smart people?
@Someone :/ He may have had the right to fuck up his manga, but he didn't have the responsibility. His responsibility was to the millions of fans he garnered over the years, each of whom became invested with his work and attributed to his climb in both social and financial renown, and he failed us all. So just like he has the right to fuck up, everyone else has the right to hate him for fucking up. That's their freedom of speech. Don't be a hypocrite.
Okay I’ll try to fill the plot hole. The reason why they wanted to keep Eren alive was for two reasons. 1: Having multiple Titans in the same vessel is not good for Marley’s military because it lowers the number of warriors that can exist. 2: It’s possible that Marley wanted to pass the Founder to somebody that they could absolutely trust (i.e. Gabi). As we saw when Pieck and Poroc fell into the pit during the Marley arc, the Warriors are not 100% trusted by Marley.
Its also important to remember the Zeke of everything. Those without royal blood can't fully use the founding titan, so Annie would be taking the risk of just being fed to Zeke if she took the founder herself. Its been a while since I've gone back to pretimeskip AoT so this next part might be wrong but I think I Zeke wanted to take Eren back to Marley with him to "free him from their father's brainwashing," so they might've had orders from Zeke to bring Eren back alive. I'm not positive on that part though because I'm a little fuzzy on when exactly Zeke made it to Paradis.
1.I Honestly And Literally Almost Cried When Reiner Sniffed Historias Handwriting ..Its Crazy How They Set Him Up To Be Like A Rival To Eren ..Like Two Sides Of The Same Coin .. Gave Him All This Backstory To Then Throw Him Away And Then Bring Him Back For Probably The Second Worse Scene In AOT ... 2.Annie Is A Phsyco Murderer That Stepped On Petra And Swung Scouts Like A Fcking Yo-Yo Yet She Gets The Happiest Ending In AOT ..My Theory Is Her Story Was Also Retconned ...The Scene With Her Dad Turning Into A Titan Infront Of Her Eyes Was Soppuse To Be Her Punishment And She'd Prolly Had To Kill Him ...
The scouts basically betrayed Eren and Paradis, by siding with the side who actually wants their Island to get wiped out of existence, Eren's "friends" betrayed him and sided with the enemy, just to get rid of Eren even though they know what he's doing is only for their sake and what will happen next if they stop and kill Eren. They had to be remembered about that for some reason by a "side" character named Floch, that if they stop Eren, they are all doomed. Hanji acknowledged that, but even then she hopes(just like Armin) they will be able to bring peace by their talks after defeating Eren? What happened to Hanji, Armin and Jean, the smart people?
I don’t know why but looking at the Training Arc again, I felt like The Warriors we’re supposed to play a part by each giving Eren a lot advice (sort of playing the mentor role for the main character) that help him become better soldier in which he manage to end up in Top 10 (Annie = Combat) (Bertholdt = Using the Gear) (Reiner = Self confidence)
but it was Annie who gave more motivation to Eren. about the critical situation, if the world hates it, it's okay as long as you have people by His side. Annie has a father and Eren has a historia
yeah, i really think we should've spent a lot more time with them. i was rewatching the entire series and realised during the reveal that i actually didnt feel attached to reiner and bertholdt as much as i think isayama intended. i think annie was the only one done well.
I despise that Armin has feelings for Annie. Like, the girl is responsible for 80% of his trauma. You know what, I just despise Annie is general. I still remember Levi's squad. I was waiting for Reiner's and Annie's parents to die during Eren's attack on Liberio. For it all to come full circle. To get some more messed up parallels.
The final battle would have been epic if Eren and Reiber had one last showdown. Even Eren vs Armin ideology battle sounds better. And we had the clown didn't even try to fight. What a waste.
Dude.. this is exactly what I want.. Reiner and Eren parallel is one of the most enjoyable thing in the franchise.. having them clash in ideology level will be so good. I really wish that ma man Reiner actually play a HUGE role on getting rid of the titan curse (directly or indirectly)..
There are people who wished Reiner to be Helos. Armin could be the one who killed Eren in the end, and Reiner finally stepped up to be Helos (or finally it is Reiner himself who becomes Helos like in the legend). Bringing peace in a chaos that he started. So the one who bcm the evil bcm the hero, and the one who was the hero bcm the evil.
@@VillagerwarriorReiner and Eren clashing ideology ? The 2 made excactly the same thing. The only différence was Reiner wanted to die for a good future. Reiner actually doesn't have argument against Eren
@@immentallyhandicapped2903 Lol, they didn't ruin him. If anything, he became the most well-written character in AOT, after his backstory was revealed. Looks like you forgot the importance of that. It basically gave the reason why he was determined to show why his father was bad.
I hate the ending as much as anyone, but it’s reasonable to believe that Annie didn’t eat Eren on the off chance he was the Founder, because they were instructed to recapture the Founder and bring it to Marley alive. They would then pass the Founder to another Warrior candidate to have yet another Titan in their military,studying it to find out how they can use its power.
Before ending and everything, to me it was when they choose Armin instead of Erwin for a titan shifter without any strong sensible reason, that foretold there's something really wrong with the writing overall.
Nah saving Armin was not about who was more logical but a emotional decision Levi didn't want to force Erwin back to living his miserable life as the " devil " right after he demanded he die for victory , saving Armin had narrative purpose of having Armin become the hero eren said he would but Ishyama fumbled the pay off as armin became discount Willy tyber.
Letting armin die in that moment would’ve killed any drive that Erwin and Mikasa had and two key pieces to saving humanity would’ve been taken off the table.
Nothing about AoT is a masterpiece except Erwin's character arc. I will only rewatch season 3 only because of Erwin's legendary moments. Hate to see AoT go this path but as a Erwin fan I kinda feel great about his character not being wasted.
@@InsaniaTHEGREATONE The ending we got is probably worse than the GOT ending. The decline for that happened over several years. AOT collapsed in a span of three months with the final three chapters retconning everything at the last second.
It just makes me feel so bad hearing the theme songs and everything.. how excited I have been pre 139.. I rly believed Isayama and AoT would be an exception to all those series/games that are just milking their consumers.
You're always so on point with your videos. What happened with no one batting an eye over Annie was so cringy it got me close to drop the manga entirely.
I feel like the reason why Eren wasn't eaten was either because the orders were to retreive the coordinate and have someone else eat it in Marley, or because they weren't sure Eren was the coordinate so they wanted to retrieve the Attack Titan so Marley could potentially have 8 titans in their arsenal (this is going by their line of thought, where there's still the possibility that Eren might not be the founder).
How Annie's redemption arc should have happened and ended, from my point of view: She crystallizes herself as in canon and can't do anything for 4 years. 4 years of imprisoning are a good chance for changing her worldview. Armin still visits her after capturing, not for seeing his waifu but for trying to get some information about everything she knows and after a failure he just tells her about the stuff happening for 4 years to let her know everything needed and save her from extra questions when she gets out. As Armin and Hitch share their feelings with her sometimes, Annie rethinks her life. At the beginning of the story her goal was to come back home no matter what and she was ready to kill everybody to achieve it, so, to my mind, the best way for this girl to develop as a character is realizing during the timeskip the value of life and not having an opportunity to return. She doesn't fall for Armin (and he doesn't: common she's responsible for destroying his home, making him migrate, thousands of deaths; he just can't). Leonhart thanks Hitch after escaping and meets the alliance. If they want to stop Eren just like in canon, she joins them cause understands now how much life is important and doesn't want so many people to pass away because of her again anymore. My versions of her redemption: - she sacrifices herself for armin or connie (just like in season 1) - gets killed by her own father when he turns into a titan - has to kill Mr. Leonhart to defend herself when he turns into a titan - she finds out her dad is trampled - she dies while trying to stop eren, in the battle Obviously, Annie should have died and there's no other ending for her after committing genocide on the island.
True these characters should have paid for their sins Annie who murdered the whole scout unit reiner who killed alot of eldians and non eldians also pieck who turned a whole village jnto titans with the help of zeke🤷🏿♂️ All I gotta say is if my boy floch had the attack and founder titan this would haver never happened rip to the true goat floch 🐐 👑
During the campfire scene: Reiner, Pieck, Gabi, Falco, & Annie: "To tell you the truth, we just want the rumbling to stop for our parents' sake, not the world. The world caused us pain and to do horrible things to people we don't even hate. They fed lies about you all to us, treated our parents and other eldians like shit, which why our parents treated us the way we did." Mikasa, Armin, Jean, Connie, Hange, & Levi: "We're not stopping the rumbling, as horrible as it is, we tried peace for 4 years but the world refuses to see our negotiations, and even though we have every right to kill you or not help you, we at least understand you, so we'll offer this, we'll save only your parents before the rumbling reaches them." MUCH BETTER. Much better than them all of a sudden being friends and dismissing season's 1-3.
Transforming causes an explosion so he would've killed reiner if he transformed there especially since they were still pretty close to each other right before marcel got eaten
the thing I dislike is that Annie and Reiner got to live on easy street, but Bert the most morally sound one had to die in such a way? Annie is a legit phsyco all things considered, but at the end she got her dad back, got a boyfriend and got to live same goes for Reiner.
i love that you're honest about your opinions on this show. I think when people see others criticize something they assume it was because it was a horrible work of its medium, but it actually shows how loved it is for people to comment on it and still be willing to share any negative opinions or interpretations from it. Videos like these are great for conflicted, diverse, and creative fans alike. I bet a lot of writers can benefit from seeing these, because there is so much we can learn from AOT. Especially its mistakes. I love how you do this with all your vids, please continue to make these and teach others to be honest to themselves as fans and creators.
There should have been at least one death around that campfire. It’s incredible that the person half responsible for both Erwin’s death & the traumatic deaths of all the Levi squad except Floch and a bystander during Connie’s mother’s titanization was just able to sit there with no confrontation at all apart from some poking from Yelena. It’s actually shocking if you think about it... S3 Levi would’ve murdered Pieck there and then but nooo, this new Levi has dementia and all he think about is Zeke. Annie murdered all of Levi squad. But she gets off scot free, there’s no need for explanation about how stupid that is. The bitch even gives up and leaves once she realizes her father is probably dead... and they just let her... wtf??? Reiner, what about when Zeke forced you to retrieve the founder despite your objections to save Annie? Why don’t you use some of those experiences and put em to use? Gabi who KILLED Sasha gets off scot-free, nobody has a thing to say about that. That friendship, peace bullshit at the end was so corny and unrealistic. The scouts have been through 10x more trauma and pain than anyone else at that campfire, trauma and pain caused by the people sitting across them, yet they’re the ones looking to kill the guy who’s obviously trying to protect them? Nobody ever brings up a point of how Eren is doing this BECAUSE of what Annie, Reiner, Bertotolto and many others put him through. No sympathy for Eren, but all the sympathy in the world for Annie. Such bullshit. What makes it even worse, ch 127 Annie: “Are you going to convince him (talking about Eren), is the kind of person who tries to commit mass murder really going to have a mind you can change that easily?” BITCH YOU LITERALLY MURDERED A TOWN AND YO-YO’D A NIGGA???
@Devin The Dude it would’ve made more sense for the scouts to try kill Eren if the Hizuru subplot actually had more meaning, let’s say Mikasa went to hizuru, became Queen, met her long lost family and got close to them, then had armin, Levi, jean, hange etc come live there. At least then they’d have a decent reason for trying to kill Eren to protect their own home. The whole plot of killing Eren is “oh war bad”. What about the time they slaughtered all of Kenny’s squad? Aren’t these the same people who happily ripped NAILS off of religious figures inside the walls? Who killed all the titans outside the walls despite knowing they were humans? Isn’t that ‘genocide’?What about the chance to “talk” there? Isayama forgot who his characters were quite evidently
Killing off 60% of your population would be considered genocide to me so yes they did do genocide in the walls technically but nobody gonna bring this up
Thank you? Reiner ending up like father figure to Falco & Gabi would've been one of most wholesome things but nah. Japanese and their stupid adoration of fetishes.
Oof I was so pissed when Berthold was begging for the scouts to save him in his last moments. Like he wasn't *just* trying to kill them minutes ago. Made me hate him, and I really liked his character.
U gotta realise Bertholdt really did think about them as their precious friends, even though he had to kill them according to their mission. He even confesses that to Armin. So him begging to his former friends to save him added more weight to that and I actually liked it (not to mention it actually made his death more emotional).
@@rickchakraborty2087 I understand your point, but after all the bloodshed and sacrifices the scouts made trying to defend themselves against Berthold and his team, it just really rubbed me the wrong way.
@@lorelei23 it was an act of desperation and fear he still considered the scouts as his friends so in his dying moments he called out to them but quickly realized that wasn't working so called out Annie and renier it was a emotional situation not a logical one
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Yeah, I get that. And I guess when he woke up he forgot for a moment what had happened earlier. Tragic end, but I just can't bring myself to sympathize with him. Maybe I'll feel differently when I reread the manga.
The mission was to retrieve the founder, none of them were to eat thr founder as that Marley or anyone doesn't know how to separate the titan powers within one person. Imagine if Annie ate Eren, she would have 3 titans within her, mission complete but then how do u pass that power down? Marley would loose 3 titans, as they are within one. Reiner couldn't go because his mind was split, so it had to be Annie, what if Reiner just get fukd up when hr is the armoured? Marco death messed him up, Imagine him killing armin and Jean? No too risky to send Reiner. Plus Reiner was pissed off in s2e12 about Annie so he just started tossing titans so one might eat eren.
Yeah but your argument falls flat when you remember the battle before the rumbling, when Reiner tried to eat Eren, who he knew for a fact had 3 titans in him. So why can they do it then and not before? Reiner couldn't go because his mind was split? But he literally told Annie where Eren was while also watching people die right before him which is just as if not worse for his split. What if Annie got fucked up? Lol with his Armor it would be a lot harder for them to "fuck him up". About Annie? No he was pissed because they were about to fail.
@@saintitchief oh after the atrack on liberio I don't think they cared much, magath was in control of marley and he doesn't want to rely on titan powers so he just said fuk it kill the bastard, they just wanted to stop Eren, if they can eat him, good if not then kill, I mean magath on Pieck was trying to kill him, Reiner thought they'd done it, he had no more fight left but he doesn't give Eren enough credit lmfao, then Zeke showed up and fukd em up even more. I know ima specifically talking about Jean and Armin, Reiners mind broke from Marco, I think he is much closer to Jean and Armin than Marco, reiner can handle seeing innocents die as he doesn't know them personally, so to me Annie was the the logical choice, I mean before that, they killed the two titans and now had a clear objective (Eren) 5 years, a sign of relief, which went to their heads and they didn't take into count tbag Erwin is that guy lmfao, they were getting set up (Basement secrets Ceremony setup to lore them out by Erwin), plus sending Annie was good, imo she of all the warriors is the most skilled titan user, she can harden at will and fast, she can call other pure titans, plus she is the most skilled fighter in the warrior unit, but again, human error fukd en up, Levi was the best soldier, they didn't know about levi, Plus sending Reiner... idk, he's indestructible but I feel like he won't last as long or can transform more than once after a short time like annie can, plus the horses can just ride forever or they can just scale the trees and always wait out reiner. Anyway yea ur right too but this is just how I looked at these scenes and choices, what I like is that to me the scenes play out normal, yes you can have problems and see flaws and plot holes but others can see the opposite and look past em or even connect em, like me, I see no problem with them. But rumbling arc is a mess that no sane person can defend lmfao, 123 onwards is a mess!!! Hopefully AotNoRequiem is good!!!
Agree with 99.9% except the rant at around 8:50 "Annie didn't suffer....did she not deserve punishment?" Four years, awake, in solitary confinement. Unable to move, communicate, kill herself, or sleep to pass the time. Four. YEARS. I shudder every single time i try to fathom such an experience. I'd be horrified just after a few hours, at most one day. Now imagine, THOUSANDS OF THEM, in a ROW. Then tack on that she hears through Hitch and Armin that MARLEY has been discovered. THEN years later Armin comes crying to try and feel less guilty for attacking her home. For all ARMIN knows and for all ANNIE fears in the crystal, the raid on Liberio killed her father. *Annie DID suffer. It was just off screen.* The whole Armin Annie thing is a joke. She killed his friends and family. But yes, Annie did suffer. The whole ship thing at the end shouldnt have happened. Levi and her should have had to have a very brutal conversation and come to some kind of terms. Levi and Annie are actually very similar so after hashing it out there was enough common ground to have a fragile truce. Both were children, who had a weapon put in their hand and taught to kill to survive. Annie DID suffer. We just didn't see it because the author lazily tossed her away...like Ymir...
@@UmQasaannNot really since it only advantages them, they have nothing to lose by helping the scouts (except for their lives i guess) which doesn't reallly work for a redemption. Take Zuko from avatar the last airbender for example,he had everything to lose by joining the good guys, being considered a traiter by his nation, losing his father's respect, his girlfriend's respect, and being hunted down, yet he still joined the group cause it was the right thing to do.
If Annie ate eren I’m pretty sure she would’ve been eaten herself but besides zeke there are no royal blooded people in Marley. So ig she could’ve eaten him
9:10 - 9:12 - Lmaooooo I don't know if this transition was intentional but the way Bertholdt is dying just to pan to Reiner's face like he could care less is just funny to me
Reiner should've died doing something heroic, and Annie should've survived with her father dying and her truly being alone like she always felt she was
12:03 she didn't swallow him because like eren said marley's command is to capture the founder not to eat him, having someone with more than two titans would be a disadvantage for marley
To take a shot at answering the questions if they haven’t already been answered. Annie had to chase the scouts because both Reiner and Bert were on the squad. It would have been really suspicious/weird if either one of them disappears during the mission a titan shows up and when the titan leaves they reappear. At the time the suspicion that shifters was a thing was coming into play and they would have outed themselves. Then for the Annie not swallowing Eren probably has to deal with the fact that then Annie would have to be ate in order for the power of the founder to be used. She more than likely didn’t want to be a sacrifice or they told them not to for that exact reason. Same thing for Ymir. As far as them both living…I mean even though they did some horrendous, unforgivable shit the story went out of it’s way to make it clear they weren’t the bad guys here…i would have like to see Annie see some backlash for what she did…but whatever. Lol
Great video! I also feel like noone ever talks about how erwin was able to magically predict the Female Titan's existence. As in, he was able to figure out that there were enemy titan shifter among them, but given that nobody on paradis yet knew of a female titan existing, i still get confused about how the immobility weapons they brought with them were perfect for capturing annie, but not an armoured titan or colossal titan (who they should have assumed would show up instead)
Honestly forgiving Annie is one thing, but going on to make her an embassador for peace? Even Reuner makes sense that he would want to as he's always been troubled by his actions, but I couldn't even see her wanting to do that. Yeah in the end she came to help but i doubt her character change that much?
I can't remember does Reiner ever realize that all the things he did was not mainly because of him but rather the environment that shaped and molded him in the man he is now. If I was Reiner I would have eventually come to the conclusion that all the things I did was not mainly because of me and sure he can't say that out loud once he is back home but that should have at least relieve some of the depression he had.
Another excellent video, though sadly where are not going to get answers for these questions. People didnt want Eren to get a happy ending and at the same time they were ok with the warriors happy ending. I remember Annie telling Hitch that if she goes back in time she would do what she did again, haha
i always thought that the counterargument for not eating eren but feed him to some other warrior was plausible. as we learn later, marley relies heavily on titan shifters as their military advantage. scrambling two to three titans into a single warrior would be a great waste, since they would not be able to safely separate them later. another thing is that they wouldn't know that eren has the coordinate until after those two opportunities. just the attack titan, which further weakens the urge to eat him immediately. idk why everyone acts like the eren having a founder should have been something very obvious to warriors. we learn that ksavier withheld the information that the founder could be activated only by a shifter of royal blood, so the warriors must've figured that eren would use the founder powers if he had it at that point.
Yeah but your argument falls flat when you remember the battle before the rumbling, when Reiner tried to eat Eren, who he knew for a fact had 3 titans in him. So why can they do it then and not before?
@Chipo Bh bruh lol. its the same damn thing the coordinate in the hands of eren is bad for them no matter what way you slice it. marley doesn’t care how they get it back, thats it.
I think the reason Reinei didn't go instead of Annie onthe expeditionis because he's part of the SC, unlike Annie, so him disappearing for conveniently around the time the Armored Titan showed up, and then showing up again when it's gone would be very suspicious
I think that Annie didnt want to eat Eren because that'd mean that she'd get eaten too by the time she got to Marley. Also, big agree to Zeke having the only competent plan, but fucking up because of his massive ego. I've wanted to make a video like this for a while, but you pretty much said everything that I thought of. Killing Sawney and Bean is the most small brain decision in this series. I cant think of a greater mistake. A lot of the mistakes in the warrior's plans can be chalked up to not thinking ahead. By the way, Reiner and Annie were the ones to kill Sawney and Bean. Reiner wanted them dead so that the scouts wouldn't learn anything about them, but theres nothing they could have learned that would have been useful. Say they figured out titan serum. great, now they know how to turn their own men into mindless zombies that want to kill them. Worthless info.
About the warriors not eating Eren. All I can possibly think of they can't do it because they where told to give it to Zeke, it makes a lot sense since his a royal blood after all or they where taken orders to kidnap him and let the Marleyan government to decide who should inherit it.
Another incovenient i have with Reiner, and i'm probably alone on this but, i feel like his split personality was handled in a very cartoonish way. Before the reveal he never showed any sing of mental dysfunction, he just flipped and tried to capture Eren in the most inconvenient and stupid of moments and the author justifies it as "he just broke mentally".
It was actually the perfect moment for Reiner to capture Eren. Levi and Erwin were not there, Ymir and Eren were in one place, everyone was tired from a recent battle, but also Reiner and Berthold were under suspicion. So just because it seemed that Reiner just snapped, he still did a smart move.
Good video, but I think you missed a few points about Annie and Reiner's dynamic. Reiner was trying to assert himself as leader and bullying Annie in the process. So, he forced her to do a few things, including killing those 2 titans, to prove her loyalty to Marley. Also, Annie joined the police force, rather than the scouts, so the female titan coming after Eren was a clever surprise attack and it would not have so obviously linked the hidden warriors to any of the scouts if Annie had killed Armin.
Well yeah but the question remains why did Reiner tell her to do it. Also, Annie could have declined. Thats true, but Reiner could have killed his group and then claimed that a titan attacked. Both would have been as believable.
@@saintitchief Killing those 2 titans was just bad writing to justify the plot that would follow. There's no way to justify that (the bad writing). I just wanted to point out you omitted a few details in the video. For me the end of season 1 (female titan arc) would be the worst in the entire series. But the rumbling took the lead.
Annie didn't want to swallow Eren because Marley would sacrifice her instantly when she gets back to Marley so maybe the Tyburs or more important people can be trusted with the founder. or at least that what I thought
@@saintitchief yeah it's left vague, but I don't think it is a big problem for the show, but what I DO think it's really stupid, was that Annie fighting Levi squad alone, Reiner should have definitely joined that fight, they would probably be able to kill all of the survey corps if they did and succeed with their mission
i think its cause they didn’t want to risk that because it would have been hard for two of them to get back into paradis and also seeing them together would’ve given the scouts bigger clues.
I like your channel. Straightforward and critical thinking opinions. I see other channels that seem reluctant to acknowledge AoT's shortcomings for some reason or the other. I like your objective analysis of the content. Keep up the good work. Also, I died watching your "Every reason why Attack on Titan chapter 139 is objectively God awful." That shit was combed with an objectively hilarious fine toothed comb😂😂😂😂
Hell, any one of the shifters could have just swallowed Eren whole for safekeeping because we already knew such a thing was possible, and then retrieved him once the titan was dissolved
12:03 because they didn't know Eren had the Founding Titan. Reiner, Ymir, and Bertoldt figured that out at the end of Season 2 when Eren punched Dina Fritz's titan. If Annie are Eren they wouldn't be able to give the Attack Titan to someone else.
the warriors were my favourite characters. the marley arc was also my favourite, so i was really disappointed when they got overshadowed by the scouts. gabi and reiner were my favourites and i loved their character until the rumbling- specifically reiner. he was set up to be the second protagonist and foil to eren, which made me so excited for his character when i saw the direction where eren was heading, but during the rumbling arc, reiner had little to no moments where he shined. he fell flat and was almost like a shell of his old character , just there as a reminder "hey hes a good guy now!!" the way his character ended by him sniffing historias letter left a bad taste in my mouth- that was soilder reiner not the real reiner
The only reason I can think of as why Annie went after the scouts instead of Reiner is because she had an alibi being in the military police brigade. If Reiner suddently vanished from the scout's formation and a shifter appeared, it would have been easier for the protagonists to figure out who he was.
also unlike other people i never really minded that levi was "cool" with annie. yeah, i would have liked for him to have a conversation with her but levi is very emotionally mature. he worked with zeke and even though he could easily kill him, he didnt. i dont think it was inconsistent.
You don't think about your cousin didn't share chocolate with you when your cousin's getting kidnapped! Why would they think about revenge for their fallen comrades when Eren is making the whole world fall?!
Because they are working with the people who are also responsible for said fall. Also your example is a huge false equivelancy , because the cousin isn't responsible for the kidnapping in question, the warriors are inderectly responsible for the rumbling.
I think the reason that the 3 warriors didn't ate Eren because they thought, when they return to Marley with one of them already become the owner of the Founding Titan, that person will be eaten immediately. They know that the Founding Titan can only be used by a direct decent of the Fritz blood line. This I think where we as audience never told how Marley gonna use the Founding Titan power, but there a possibility that the Tybur family can use the Founding Titan power.
The warriors characters were definitely completely destroyed in the ending. The biggest things I would do to change/fix the warriors are: 1. Have them all feel a ton of guilt for paradise, on the level of reiner depressed and ready to commit suicide at the start of season 4. No I would do it again bull. Thats stupid. 2. I understand the scouts being forced to work with them if they want to stop eren ( and them wanting to stop eren could have been fleshed out way more. Maybe they would rather sacrifice themselves then let 7 billion other people die, idk, but anything could be better than black and white genocide bad.) But setting aside that, I understand not being able to kill eachother if you want to save everyone, but there should still be way more tension. More of jean punching reiner, less we are all friends now. And the warriors should need to do a lot more to atone, during and after the battle. 3. Their punishment. Almost none of them got any real punishment or karma in the end. Lets fix that. Bertolt died. Thats good. 👍 Porco died. Thats good. 👍 Now we can start actually giving new punishments. Annie: In the story we have her finally meet back up with her dad for a total of 1 minute. Then the worm turns her dad, along with everyone else into titans. I feel some good karma for her, as well as a good sacrifice, would be her dad attacking them, and nearly killing one of the scouts. Idk which one, I think maybe levi, as he does probally still hate her for killing his team, but is focusing on eren and zeke. Then, annie is forced to kill her dad. Then she would need to live with that for the rest of her life. I feel that would be a good punishment, considering getting back to him was her goal the whole series, and now, she killed him. And saved a scout in the process. Pieck: Honestly I dont know for her. She didn't do as much, so she probally doesn't deserve a super dramatic punishment, and at the same time, unlike annie, there really isn't anything personal that happens during the final battle that I remember that I could work with. And finally, reiner. Its simple. JUST LET HIM SACRIFICE HIMSELF ALREADY. We have him atone for his sins, save someone or everyone, and let him finally die. And then, his last pannel in the series isnt him, SNIFFING A LETTER!! Oh yeah. There is also zeke, but he died and thats fine, and its good levi finally got him. Marcel also was there, but he was eaten by ymir before he could do anything, so I dont have anything to say about him. Also, the warrior recruits (falco and gabi) were also there, but they are literally children. I say just let hem live.
I think Annie went to get eren alone is because she had to prove her loyalty further, as the warriors start suspecting her as a sympathizer when she saved Connie, whilst having her kill Marco, I think realistically that doesn’t completely prove her to be with the mission, not only that, but I think Annie might have had feelings for eren at one point, or some sort of admiration, with her being reminded of him constantly in certain situations, like in S1 23, or the lost girls OVA.
I can understand reiner having a happy life in the end because he has suffered so much mentally that he even tried to commit suicide. he realized that he has done wrong and that the people in paradis was never their enemy. He may not have suffered physically but he has suffered a lot mentally and emotionally. That's why I feel it is justified for him to at least have a second chance. whereas annie learns nothing, has no remorse and yet she gets a happy ending with armin. why?
12:03 for the same reason Pieck did not shoot Eren in Paradis when she met him: “killing the founding titan/coordinate will result in Marley killing your family and stripping you of your warrior title.”
i guess the only reason i can think of is that if annie ate eren and returned to marley they wont have any evidence that they actually captured the founder and ate him so thats why she tried to capture him instead of eating him
I think a reason Annie didnt swallow Eren is she thought they might feed her to another person once she gets the founder so they can split the power of the female and founder idk.
12:48 the reason Annie didn't eat Eren instead of kidnapping him was maybe because she really didn't know if you can also become another Titan , which only perhaps that scientist who plays catch with Zeke , knew about who's been working on Titan abilities for years..... Or maybe after S2 last episode when Eren used the Founding Titan , that shocked Reiner. It would also make sense why Eren didn't hesitate to eat the warhammer Titan and the jaw Titan in contrast to not eating Annie in S1. Ofcourse he hesitated coz Annie was a commrade , but he also didn't know
13:10 I’ll give it a shot: I think that there are 2 possible reasons. The first is that they might not have known what would happen if they swallowed eren and didn’t want to risk it. It’s never explained but maybe Marley never knew either when experimenting what would happen if a shifter ate another shifter. It’s possible but I don’t find it very convincing. The second one, which I find far more compelling, was that if they ate eren they would then have the founder and that would essentially be a death sentence for themselves when they return to Marley. Like Marley probably wouldn’t just let them keep it. They’d give the founder to someone who could use it. Which would mean they’d get fed to someone else. It’s kind of same reason they didn’t just go back after marcel got eaten. They knew that they’d be fed to someone else and didn’t want to die. So it probably would have been the most effective method but in this case it’s a selfish motivation to want to return and get to live the rest of your life when compared to the importance of their mission. Anyway that’s my head cannon. We actually kind of see this later in the series with pieck too when she was holding eren at gunpoint. I mean it’s not exactly the same but they both involve the most optimal play being some kind of detriment to themselves. Ie shooting eren would guarantee that her father would die because she would be disobeying Marley. Though one involves following orders and the other is disobeying them.
I'm guessing that, from your point about why Annie (or any of the other Shifters) didn't eat Eren, the point stems from what we know about Grisha eating the Founder. When Eren ate Grisha, he inherited both the Attack Titan and the Founding Titan. This means that, if someone eats a Shifter with two Titans, they receive both Titans (with the only hypothetical way to separate the two Titans being to kill the Shifter). This would pose a problem to Marley on both fronts. They are evidenced to care more about quantity over quality, viewing the more Titan Shifters they have as the better: two Shifters each in control over a Titan is better to them than one Shifter in control over two Titans (otherwise, why not combine the Female Titan with the Armored, creating the perfect offense and defense). However, I'm guessing the permeant-ness (not a word, I know) behind doing so scared them, as once two Titans were combined, there would be no way to separate them other than to kill the Shifter possessing them. And as stated, once a Shifter dies, a random baby inherits their Titan, meaning Marley could lose TWO Titans for the price of one. Of course, this would then raise the question: how does Marley know this if they've never tried? In fact, it's never once been hinted through the entire story that any Shifter before Eren has come in possession of multiple Titans, so either Marley didn't know a Shifter could have multiple (hence why no one eats Eren), or they knew and lied to everyone else about it. I mean, not even Paradis knew you could have multiple until Eren just...did it, out of nowhere. Memories of the Founder, perhaps? Retcon? Who knows.
the more i think about it, for me the main issue is how the characters treat the warriors during the rumbling. With annie, she has no regrets on what she's done, because everything she's done was to be back with her father. but asks mikasa if she would be willing to kill eren and put her love aside? i would be willing to accept this, if annie were to acknowledge her hypocrisy, and perhaps both Annie and Mikasa could find a heart to heart where they both understand each other's motives, finally reaching the parallel between them as opposite sides of the same coin, and perhaps even coming to an agreement. she expresses remorse for killing marco, but that's the most she's been. in the very least, if she said "i'd do it all again", it could have been framed in a way to say "i did what i did. maybe i'd do it again if i had to. but i'd rather not, every moment haunts me, and i don't know if i could look my own father in the eye". It's strange that annie did neither of that, and yet the scout veterans were more forgiving on her, and seem to just be cool with it. no less armin who has a crush on annie. i mean, the whole "you've been influenced by bertholdt's memories" thing could have actually had some truth to it, and maybe armin could come to a conclusion where he doesn't love Annie like Bertholdt did, but at LEAST he would be willing to say "you know what annie, you did indeed kill many of my friends and comrades. but in turn, i did the same, including many innocent lives. i can't really hold it against you anymore. i can't get over it, but i don't want to hold it against you", sort of thing. but to love Annie? that's far too soon considering the circumstances. With Reiner, i just feel so damn upset. i get it, his whole soldier shtick was kinda fake, he was never meant to be a warrior. but come on, making him into a snivelling apologist just doesn't seem like him either, especially the kind that gets his ass so easily beat, it's laughable. i don't know if i could write him better, since up until the Warhammer arc, i quite liked him, the guilt he felt and everything. but he seemed too much of a punching bag. to add insult to injury, he's sniffing a letter written by historia. come on, that's not cute, or funny, that's just weird. it was funny in season 2, he was younger and everyone seemed to love "Christa"/historia for her charm, but they're adults by this point, how do you not let go of that kind of fantasy? especially after everything. and of course, eren and armin. come on. a whiny snivelling snob who doesn't want mikasa to find another man, wants her to think about him forever.... that sounds so pathetic, it's uncharacteristic, even for Eren. he got his thoughts in chapter 130, he had an arc, he matured. it's one thing to hide your own thoughts and feelings and plans from your friends, another to completely fake your resolve and maturity, that's just cheap. and armin, come on. "thanks for being a mass murderer for us", dude that's not armin at all. i read AOT NO REQUIEM, and i must say, that's the armin and eren i was looking for. how there are AOT fans that hated that fanmade ending, it confuses me. in my opinion, it does more dignified justice for the characters, and the narrative of the story, than what the official manga does. whether the anime will change this, i hope so. so far, there's been hints to an anime only exclusive ending, i hope it'll make it work.
I think the scouts had somewhat moved on from their beef with Annie. Annie (who didn't direct kill any of the main recruits, except Marco) wakes up, when our guys have just got over Gabi killing Sasha, and are literally on the path to 'saving the world'. She was inactive for years (wasn't involved in the 2 major battles that nearly destroyed the survey corps) & the situation had significantly changed since their initially conflict (they'd attacked her home). The key thing imo is Levi (& Co) realised she atleast felt something for the things she did (her titan cried after losing Eren), whereas Levi suspected Zeke didn't give a shit about killing Eldians. Side note: Reiner decided that they had to take out the captured titans and if Annie ate the founder she'd be risking getting 'replaced' earlier, same for Reiner & Bert.
A lot of Annie hate in the comments, which is fair becos of her actions, but I find the reasoning behind it strange becos she's really no different than Mikasa. We all know the lengths Mikasa would go to, for Erens sake. Annie understood herself & the hypocrisy of the world, so she just did whatever she had to do. So she enjoys beating(killing) capable opponents (soldiers), there's plenty of pro fighters like that. Unlike the other warriors, she was hoping to find someone who could change things. When she did, she eventually overcame her selfishness & came clutch in the end, long before Mikasa overcame her love.
it doesn't justify what she did, just showing regret without redemption is just nonsense, levi saw his friends being killed by her how could he possibly forget that and be okay with her just because she showed tears. wow he is such a gentle person 🤣
@@calvinliemarvin4473 I never said it was justified but in the grand scheme of things, it was very old news. Yeh she killed Levi's subordinates, but Zeke & Reiner were responsible for killing Erwin & 90+% of the scouts. Levi's a boss right? Makes sense the focus for his beef is on Zeke. Besides, she literally joins them in the redemption arc lol ofc its for her own interest, but that's the same for all of the marleyans. I guess my overall point is just becos she meked petra in a fight to the death, doesn't mean she's extra evil or deserves extra punishment, especially as a character in AoT. E.g. As an enemy, we're her actions after the wall breach any worst than when our scouts sacrificed their own civilians to capture her in Trost?
What redemption arc man, annie and reiner are just used them for their own interest they know hange and the others are naive and stupid that is all i see, well whatever the reason she kill many people and she don't deserved a happy ending she need to lose something same for reiner too. Well about levi he is just like everyone else on the alliance, they want to SaVe ThE WoRld that is the only reason why he is cool with annie, i really wish all of them dead
@@calvinliemarvin4473 true, at the start it isn't a redemption arc, but once they realise their home is destroyed, but still decide its the right thing to try & stop Eren, then it becomes one. They're doing it to make up for their past actions without anything personal to gain from it. Everybody is a killer in this series lol, even Armin killed civilians as he nuked that port. Btw, I hate the ending, I'm just playing devil's advocate. Anyway, without Annie completing her character arc by joining in the final battle, they'd all have died becos Mikasa was slacking. She didn't know her dad was alive, it was the first time she didn't act selfishly, that's why she was reunited with her dad.
I still can't believe everyone (especially Levi) is cool with Annie.
Levi's inconsistency really bugged the shit out of me
@@jemmor3382 Levi became a hypocrite, he's so hell bent on wanting to kill Zeke yet is somehow cool with Annie?
@@rickchakraborty2087 wanted to kill Zeke only cause of Erwin. So he was emotional having bias for Erwin
@Ana 76 the warriors walked away scott free.
@@twelvethrower24 yeah. Historia was wasted. No longer living her life with pride. Everything was ruined. Unless the anime changes the ending than AOT's legacy is destroyed.
annie killed brutally the entire levi squad,
annie:BLUSH
armin: YES
That is really disgusting 🤢
@@calvinliemarvin4473 Armin: B-But bro look at her she's cute!
armin would love her even more if he saw her playing yoyo with a human body wkwkwkwkwk
@@calvinliemarvin4473 Armin would be so glad to know that she can play with his body parts like a yoyo 😏😳🥵
@@calvinliemarvin4473 compared to ymir this still wholesome in some "ways" because i can describe ymir fritz in 6 word: ntr "mind break" "loli" "cheating" "ugly bastard"
and etc if you want to add something else
One of the worst character regressions ever is probably Reiner going from a foil for Eren to a dumbass sniffing a married woman’s letters not even addressed to him. A woman he hadn’t seen for nearly a decade by the end.
"NoOoOoOoOoO ReInEr WaS AlWaYs A lEtTeR sNiFfiNg CrEeP. YoUr JuSt mAd He IsN't DePreSseD AnYmOrE"
@@hiroshiramasendjews9539 bruh those guys are literal clowns at this point
@@rickchakraborty2087 When Eren bitches about Mikasa moving on. Ending defenders: "NoOoOoo it just humanizes him. Your just mad he loves Mikasa and not Historia"
*_Meanwhile ignoring that chapter 130 is one of the greatest chapters in the arc, and maybe even the series. Where Eren is indeed. Being humanized and breaking down._*
I bet you those are the SAME people who didn't like Eren crying in the past seasons.
A woman he doesn't even really know on a personal level and got her best friend killed
@@thatoneblackdude3333 He didn't kill Ymir. He was telling her to leave up until the last minute.
I like Reiner and Berdholt the 2 have also regretted their actions and were punished but Annie has neither regretted their actions nor was she punished, so I don't like Annie
Reiner just kept being a failure through and through, smelling a married woman's letter(which wasn't even written to him) lmao. He should've made a sacrifice play in the end for his character arc to be complete. As Cheif already said so in the video, only Bertolt got a satisfying ending to his character arc.
you're half right, because I think you forgot that Reiner tried so hard to convince Marley to attack Shiganshina, which caused many Eldians from Paradis to die. So if he was truly sorry, he would not have done that. And don't give me the "because they attacked Liberio" excuse. Eren's attack on Liberio was not the start of everything, it was just a continuation of the circle of violence that Marley started. Reiner destroyed the gates TWO times, he attacked Paradis twice and on top of that, Marley declared war first. So Eren had every right to attack.
having to see armin everyday is punishment enough
@@JA-vu8my rights don’t exist at all. However Eren was dealing a giant blow to Marley’s military which was also a trap laid out by the Marleyan themselves in the internment zone, letting more innocent Eldians die. The battle in Liberio was similar to the raid on stohess and despite Eren having killed all those people, I believe most of the blame should be put on the Marleyan scumbags who created the whole situation. Just like the Survey Corps decided to risk the whole city being razed to capture Annie back in Stohess a lot of the blame should be on them for having decided to attempt to apprehend Annie at all costs.
Eren didn’t have the right to do what he did just because ‘oh they did it first’ but he had a hell of a good motive for it. The military was all there, conveniently placed for him to annihilate, and considering the declaration of war above him, it was exactly what he had to do.
I know you left this comment a long time ago but i just wanted to give my opinion 😅 peace ✌🏻
@@mattiaachille233It's not about whether Eren was right or wrong but rather about what could have done
Marleyans literally declared war on his people and if he hadn't attacked Liberio that night then Paradise Island would have been destroyed long ago
That attack got them one of the most powerful titans and weakened Marley's military power which gave Eren enough time to start the rumbling
So if you ask me then yeah it was the only thing that he could have done
Armin should’ve been madly coming up with strategies but instead he’s on the boat confessing his love to Annie like a middle schooler or some shit. Annie serves no purpose in the story post crystal other than being Armins waifu while millions of people are being crushed to death, Isayama is a psycho lmao
Armin should have been going ham with strats to fuck up Marley not this passafist shit , and yea Annie came back only to just be another titan shifter no character development , no redemption arc , no punishment for her actions She just kills people and walks away.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 It's funny how Eren and Zeke (and by extension Bertholdt ) are pretty much the only ones who suffer any form of consequences to their actions. Levi wants to murder tf out of Zeke for killing survey corps members, but Annie was slaughtering them like flies by the dozen and legit took away his entire OG squad, and he's cool with her? She slaughtered countless during her battle with Eren within the walls and everyone's just cool with her? Reiner was single-handedly responsible for wiping out an entire district and no one wants him dead but himself? Jean doesn't want him dead for what he did to Marco? Pieck was legit right there assisting Zeke and slaughtering the entirety of the Survey Corps and, because she's "cUtE wAiFu", she gets a solid pass?
All of these guys were slaughtering everyone and destroying everything Eren cared for long before he even became a Titan Shifter, and none of them take any form of responsibility for creating the "monster" he became nor suffer any consequences to the actions they committed which ultimately resulted in the Rumbling? Not even Gabi suffers anything, and she not only killed Sasha (something I was more mad about than Connie, Jean, Armin, and Mikasa combined) but beat a poor guy across the head with a brick for checking up on her. Instead, they all get shonen motivations which grants them plot-armor.
It's like, Isayama tried SO hard to make Paradis look like the bad-guys and it just wasn't working. Eren didn't clap first; Eren clapped back.
@@6ixlxrd Ishyama was trying to hard with this both sides nonsense and if they just talked it out bullshit which can work on paper but the problem is he didn't lay down the ground work the alliance existing made no narrative since other then to set up his big climatic kaiju final battle the setting also didn't accommodate for a " everyone gets along peace ending" again Ishyama could have made it work he just didn't .
@@6ixlxrd Funny. The Titan Shifters are based on bullies, and Eren is the kid who fights back against the bullies. Yams is basically saying to let the bullies win 🤮
Even I came up with a plan. Reiner hides everyone inside the Armor Titan's asshole. Then they're protected when Armin nukes Eren!
It's still better than Armong's not-plan!
I feel like the series always had its parts that could’ve been a bit better, but the ending just made it so much worse
Agreed. We could've seen more of Marley and the world through them
And more of the Tybur family along with Lara, the war hammers wielder.
@@twelvethrower24 with all that in mind the manga could've been going today and we would've had a season 5
@@I_know_u_are_here yeah that's sums up 139's impact on the whole series
@@I_know_u_are_here You did it, you made the perfect analogy
You are the epitome of the saying: "The greatest fans have the potential to be the greatest critics."
Cause he isn't bias and will criticize when a problem in the story is there. Now people talking about why are you criticizing now instead of before chapter 139 and I say its because we can wait till the series is finished up before we critique it. Teachers don't grade tests that are incomplete so it's the same here. Unfortunately AoT didn't tie in these questions left in the manga in its final chapters but simply ignored it or rewrote the problems all together with new problems with easier solutions that ironically get ignored too.(Worm that started Titans but just gets ignored?)
@@mr.unknown731 this so much. *True* fans will criticize something because they care about it. It’s not because “they’re just hating on it” because if they hated it they wouldn’t be here criticizing it. The fact that they are giving this show the time of day shows that these so called toxic fans do cared, and ironically, the fake fans were the ones ridiculing the ones criticizing it.
completely agree with you on reiner though. was disappointing to see his badass intimidating transformer armored titan dragged around battle after battle. was hoping in the end he'd get to kick some major ass, especially after isayama stating that reiner was his favorite for this volume. him running up to the worm and tackling it looked promising but in the end it never mattered, because isayama suddenly remembered about mikasa, whom he seemed to ignore altogether until the very end .
@@twelvethrower24 Wait what? When did he say this? He said it on a stream?
I’ll never understand how anyone especially Levi is cool with Annie when he literally raped his squad in front of him. Then commander maggot his hatred for the eldians disappeared quickly. Jean got over marco too quick .Everyone’s just cool with the warriors and more then happy to side with them and the world who want to kill them instead of standing with eren there comrade (even though they ruined the there lives). I’ll never forgive isayama for the ending ruined peak fiction on purpose for no justifiable reason
The scouts basically betrayed Eren and Paradis, by siding with the side who actually wants their Island to get wiped out of existence, Eren's "friends" betrayed him and sided with the enemy, just to get rid of Eren even though they know what he's doing is only for their sake and what will happen next if they stop and kill Eren. They had to be remembered about that for some reason by a "side" character named Floch, that if they stop Eren, they are all doomed. Hanji acknowledged that, but even then she hopes(just like Armin) they will be able to bring peace by their talks after defeating Eren? What happened to Hanji, Armin and Jean, the smart people?
@Someone :/ Sure, but we also have the freedom to criticize his decisions on his story.
@@dhmc45 we have freedom...unlike eren
@Someone :/ He may have had the right to fuck up his manga, but he didn't have the responsibility. His responsibility was to the millions of fans he garnered over the years, each of whom became invested with his work and attributed to his climb in both social and financial renown, and he failed us all. So just like he has the right to fuck up, everyone else has the right to hate him for fucking up. That's their freedom of speech.
Don't be a hypocrite.
I wouldn't say jean got over marco too quick. I mean he beat reiner to a pulp because of it
Okay I’ll try to fill the plot hole. The reason why they wanted to keep Eren alive was for two reasons.
1: Having multiple Titans in the same vessel is not good for Marley’s military because it lowers the number of warriors that can exist.
2: It’s possible that Marley wanted to pass the Founder to somebody that they could absolutely trust (i.e. Gabi). As we saw when Pieck and Poroc fell into the pit during the Marley arc, the Warriors are not 100% trusted by Marley.
Its also important to remember the Zeke of everything. Those without royal blood can't fully use the founding titan, so Annie would be taking the risk of just being fed to Zeke if she took the founder herself. Its been a while since I've gone back to pretimeskip AoT so this next part might be wrong but I think I Zeke wanted to take Eren back to Marley with him to "free him from their father's brainwashing," so they might've had orders from Zeke to bring Eren back alive. I'm not positive on that part though because I'm a little fuzzy on when exactly Zeke made it to Paradis.
@@fletchergillespie3242 Marley didn't know that Zeke was royal blood. He kept it a secret.
1.I Honestly And Literally Almost Cried When Reiner Sniffed Historias Handwriting ..Its Crazy How They Set Him Up To Be Like A Rival To Eren ..Like Two Sides Of The Same Coin .. Gave Him All This Backstory To Then Throw Him Away And Then Bring Him Back For Probably The Second Worse Scene In AOT ...
2.Annie Is A Phsyco Murderer That Stepped On Petra And Swung Scouts Like A Fcking Yo-Yo Yet She Gets The Happiest Ending In AOT ..My Theory Is Her Story Was Also Retconned ...The Scene With Her Dad Turning Into A Titan Infront Of Her Eyes Was Soppuse To Be Her Punishment And She'd Prolly Had To Kill Him ...
thats the thing, eren is a simp so reiner must be one too looooool
@Someone :/ what you are gonna blame those now? Just let them be lol it was stupid teenagers who is in fault rn.
I never noticed how many plot holes were in this series
We hav met again Now look you were thinking I was biased Your Own fan base is claiming it 💀
@@surajkarki3511 lol
the plotholes were easy to ignore since the writing and story were so good up until the Rumbling arc
Bigger than the hole bertoldt opened in wall Rose
@@sugaristhenewwhite I love to expose fake people he is babling around the internet why aot is 🔥 and Now we are here
The scouts basically betrayed Eren and Paradis, by siding with the side who actually wants their Island to get wiped out of existence, Eren's "friends" betrayed him and sided with the enemy, just to get rid of Eren even though they know what he's doing is only for their sake and what will happen next if they stop and kill Eren. They had to be remembered about that for some reason by a "side" character named Floch, that if they stop Eren, they are all doomed. Hanji acknowledged that, but even then she hopes(just like Armin) they will be able to bring peace by their talks after defeating Eren? What happened to Hanji, Armin and Jean, the smart people?
Armin betraying Paradis to stop the Rumbling benefits his character if you ask me.
Eren is not the king of paradise so they are not betraying paradise
They were all on board with the 50 year plan. Eren went against them by choosing his own plan.
@@Flochenjoyer the jeagerist literally betrayed paradise💀
@@Flochenjoyer they overturned the goverment, that`s betrayal, clown
I don’t know why but looking at the Training Arc again, I felt like The Warriors we’re supposed to play a part by each giving Eren a lot advice (sort of playing the mentor role for the main character) that help him become better soldier in which he manage to end up in Top 10
(Annie = Combat)
(Bertholdt = Using the Gear)
(Reiner = Self confidence)
Why did they even help Eren? Was it because they got attached to him?
@@rickchakraborty2087 to not break character and yea they were getting attached
but it was Annie who gave more motivation to Eren. about the critical situation, if the world hates it, it's okay as long as you have people by His side. Annie has a father and Eren has a historia
@@rickchakraborty2087 Also they didn't know he was the Attack Titan at the time
yeah, i really think we should've spent a lot more time with them. i was rewatching the entire series and realised during the reveal that i actually didnt feel attached to reiner and bertholdt as much as i think isayama intended. i think annie was the only one done well.
Given that Annie cares about nobody but her father, Annie prompting Mikasa to kill Eren is extremely hypocritical.
#EndOfCringevengelion
Under appreciated hashtag
I despise that Armin has feelings for Annie. Like, the girl is responsible for 80% of his trauma. You know what, I just despise Annie is general. I still remember Levi's squad.
I was waiting for Reiner's and Annie's parents to die during Eren's attack on Liberio. For it all to come full circle. To get some more messed up parallels.
Armin's feelings make sense for bertolt
The final battle would have been epic if Eren and Reiber had one last showdown. Even Eren vs Armin ideology battle sounds better. And we had the clown didn't even try to fight. What a waste.
Dude.. this is exactly what I want.. Reiner and Eren parallel is one of the most enjoyable thing in the franchise.. having them clash in ideology level will be so good. I really wish that ma man Reiner actually play a HUGE role on getting rid of the titan curse (directly or indirectly)..
There are people who wished Reiner to be Helos. Armin could be the one who killed Eren in the end, and Reiner finally stepped up to be Helos (or finally it is Reiner himself who becomes Helos like in the legend). Bringing peace in a chaos that he started.
So the one who bcm the evil bcm the hero, and the one who was the hero bcm the evil.
@@VillagerwarriorReiner and Eren clashing ideology ? The 2 made excactly the same thing. The only différence was Reiner wanted to die for a good future. Reiner actually doesn't have argument against Eren
We want a vid bout zeke the chad🙌🏻
The monged chad who saved chad erwin. Go for Papi Zekeeeeeeee pkease
@Robo X still a chad
I changed my mind
@@immentallyhandicapped2903 Lol, they didn't ruin him. If anything, he became the most well-written character in AOT, after his backstory was revealed. Looks like you forgot the importance of that. It basically gave the reason why he was determined to show why his father was bad.
@@manwithnoname8229 I changed my mind
Bertholdt is the best warrior (besides zeke ig)
I hate the ending as much as anyone, but it’s reasonable to believe that Annie didn’t eat Eren on the off chance he was the Founder, because they were instructed to recapture the Founder and bring it to Marley alive. They would then pass the Founder to another Warrior candidate to have yet another Titan in their military,studying it to find out how they can use its power.
Before ending and everything, to me it was when they choose Armin instead of Erwin for a titan shifter without any strong sensible reason, that foretold there's something really wrong with the writing overall.
This!
Agreed, u could basically say Armin used his "B-But I'm the MC's best friend and one of the main trio!" plot armour card to survive.
Nah saving Armin was not about who was more logical but a emotional decision Levi didn't want to force Erwin back to living his miserable life as the " devil " right after he demanded he die for victory , saving Armin had narrative purpose of having Armin become the hero eren said he would but Ishyama fumbled the pay off as armin became discount Willy tyber.
Letting armin die in that moment would’ve killed any drive that Erwin and Mikasa had and two key pieces to saving humanity would’ve been taken off the table.
Nothing about AoT is a masterpiece except Erwin's character arc. I will only rewatch season 3 only because of Erwin's legendary moments. Hate to see AoT go this path but as a Erwin fan I kinda feel great about his character not being wasted.
Attack on titan ending was so bad dragon ball became my favorite again 😭😭😭
Dragon Ball? I haven’t seen that in so long. I think you should watch Monster(2004).
XD
Dont compare dragon ball to this piece of shit GAME OF THRONES ending, the way I see dragon ball is a saint compared to AOT ending
@@InsaniaTHEGREATONE
The ending we got is probably worse than the GOT ending. The decline for that happened over several years. AOT collapsed in a span of three months with the final three chapters retconning everything at the last second.
@@justinpachi3707 Yeah, thats actually even worse LOL
Annie's end was....ugh - do they not remember her brutal and sadistic murders? no, most important thing is AruAni
It just makes me feel so bad hearing the theme songs and everything.. how excited I have been pre 139.. I rly believed Isayama and AoT would be an exception to all those series/games that are just milking their consumers.
You're always so on point with your videos. What happened with no one batting an eye over Annie was so cringy it got me close to drop the manga entirely.
Rainer is one of the most mature character in aot he suffered the most from genocide and isayama made him a clown
I'm going to keep saying this, give a video on Floch.
He's the true Chad of AoT. If he were in Eren's position, he'd finish the Rumbling while Historia gives him head inside the Titan's head!
@@alexvaughan1013 ?????
I feel like the reason why Eren wasn't eaten was either because the orders were to retreive the coordinate and have someone else eat it in Marley, or because they weren't sure Eren was the coordinate so they wanted to retrieve the Attack Titan so Marley could potentially have 8 titans in their arsenal (this is going by their line of thought, where there's still the possibility that Eren might not be the founder).
How Annie's redemption arc should have happened and ended, from my point of view:
She crystallizes herself as in canon and can't do anything for 4 years. 4 years of imprisoning are a good chance for changing her worldview.
Armin still visits her after capturing, not for seeing his waifu but for trying to get some information about everything she knows and after a failure he just tells her about the stuff happening for 4 years to let her know everything needed and save her from extra questions when she gets out. As Armin and Hitch share their feelings with her sometimes, Annie rethinks her life.
At the beginning of the story her goal was to come back home no matter what and she was ready to kill everybody to achieve it, so, to my mind, the best way for this girl to develop as a character is realizing during the timeskip the value of life and not having an opportunity to return. She doesn't fall for Armin (and he doesn't: common she's responsible for destroying his home, making him migrate, thousands of deaths; he just can't).
Leonhart thanks Hitch after escaping and meets the alliance. If they want to stop Eren just like in canon, she joins them cause understands now how much life is important and doesn't want so many people to pass away because of her again anymore.
My versions of her redemption:
- she sacrifices herself for armin or connie (just like in season 1)
- gets killed by her own father when he turns into a titan
- has to kill Mr. Leonhart to defend herself when he turns into a titan
- she finds out her dad is trampled
- she dies while trying to stop eren, in the battle
Obviously, Annie should have died and there's no other ending for her after committing genocide on the island.
True these characters should have paid for their sins Annie who murdered the whole scout unit reiner who killed alot of eldians and non eldians also pieck who turned a whole village jnto titans with the help of zeke🤷🏿♂️
All I gotta say is if my boy floch had the attack and founder titan this would haver never happened rip to the true goat floch 🐐 👑
During the campfire scene:
Reiner, Pieck, Gabi, Falco, & Annie: "To tell you the truth, we just want the rumbling to stop for our parents' sake, not the world. The world caused us pain and to do horrible things to people we don't even hate. They fed lies about you all to us, treated our parents and other eldians like shit, which why our parents treated us the way we did."
Mikasa, Armin, Jean, Connie, Hange, & Levi: "We're not stopping the rumbling, as horrible as it is, we tried peace for 4 years but the world refuses to see our negotiations, and even though we have every right to kill you or not help you, we at least understand you, so we'll offer this, we'll save only your parents before the rumbling reaches them."
MUCH BETTER. Much better than them all of a sudden being friends and dismissing season's 1-3.
I still cant understand why marcel didn't turn into a titan shifter and defend himself from ymir isnt he a trained fucking warrior
Transforming causes an explosion so he would've killed reiner if he transformed there especially since they were still pretty close to each other right before marcel got eaten
it happens so quick. and honestly it wasn't a matter because marcel is a clear plot device.
the thing I dislike is that Annie and Reiner got to live on easy street, but Bert the most morally sound one had to die in such a way? Annie is a legit phsyco all things considered, but at the end she got her dad back, got a boyfriend and got to live same goes for Reiner.
You literally read my mind 😭
i love that you're honest about your opinions on this show. I think when people see others criticize something they assume it was because it was a horrible work of its medium, but it actually shows how loved it is for people to comment on it and still be willing to share any negative opinions or interpretations from it. Videos like these are great for conflicted, diverse, and creative fans alike. I bet a lot of writers can benefit from seeing these, because there is so much we can learn from AOT. Especially its mistakes. I love how you do this with all your vids, please continue to make these and teach others to be honest to themselves as fans and creators.
I’ll never understand why the scouts are cool with the warriors , they literally terrorized and nearly caused genocide inside the walls
There should have been at least one death around that campfire.
It’s incredible that the person half responsible for both Erwin’s death & the traumatic deaths of all the Levi squad except Floch and a bystander during Connie’s mother’s titanization was just able to sit there with no confrontation at all apart from some poking from Yelena. It’s actually shocking if you think about it... S3 Levi would’ve murdered Pieck there and then but nooo, this new Levi has dementia and all he think about is Zeke.
Annie murdered all of Levi squad. But she gets off scot free, there’s no need for explanation about how stupid that is. The bitch even gives up and leaves once she realizes her father is probably dead... and they just let her... wtf??? Reiner, what about when Zeke forced you to retrieve the founder despite your objections to save Annie? Why don’t you use some of those experiences and put em to use?
Gabi who KILLED Sasha gets off scot-free, nobody has a thing to say about that.
That friendship, peace bullshit at the end was so corny and unrealistic. The scouts have been through 10x more trauma and pain than anyone else at that campfire, trauma and pain caused by the people sitting across them, yet they’re the ones looking to kill the guy who’s obviously trying to protect them?
Nobody ever brings up a point of how Eren is doing this BECAUSE of what Annie, Reiner, Bertotolto and many others put him through. No sympathy for Eren, but all the sympathy in the world for Annie. Such bullshit.
What makes it even worse, ch 127 Annie: “Are you going to convince him (talking about Eren), is the kind of person who tries to commit mass murder really going to have a mind you can change that easily?” BITCH YOU LITERALLY MURDERED A TOWN AND YO-YO’D A NIGGA???
@Devin The Dude it would’ve made more sense for the scouts to try kill Eren if the Hizuru subplot actually had more meaning, let’s say Mikasa went to hizuru, became Queen, met her long lost family and got close to them, then had armin, Levi, jean, hange etc come live there. At least then they’d have a decent reason for trying to kill Eren to protect their own home. The whole plot of killing Eren is “oh war bad”. What about the time they slaughtered all of Kenny’s squad? Aren’t these the same people who happily ripped NAILS off of religious figures inside the walls? Who killed all the titans outside the walls despite knowing they were humans? Isn’t that ‘genocide’?What about the chance to “talk” there?
Isayama forgot who his characters were quite evidently
Killing off 60% of your population would be considered genocide to me so yes they did do genocide in the walls technically but nobody gonna bring this up
@Someone :/ right he really thought he could do what I did, what a clown
@@TheIndieTales I 100% agree with you
The Virgin Warriors: Broke down the Walls. Failed to steal the Founding Titan.
The Chad Grisha: Smashed Carla's walls! Stole the Founding Titan 😏
Aot would've been legendary if Reiner sacrificed himself by defending humanity for the last time as the Armored Titan.
Yes of course
Reiner couldn't go in place of Annie, because he was a scout and his absence would've been sus
Isayama could have left at least Reiner, like in the final chapter instead of sniffing a letter we could have him take care of Falco and Gabi
Gotta the please the shipping community.
Thank you? Reiner ending up like father figure to Falco & Gabi would've been one of most wholesome things but nah. Japanese and their stupid adoration of fetishes.
In defense of reiners redemption I think his relationship and encounter with Jean in ch 127 acts as a bit of redemption
Oof I was so pissed when Berthold was begging for the scouts to save him in his last moments. Like he wasn't *just* trying to kill them minutes ago. Made me hate him, and I really liked his character.
As a bertholdt's fan, i can understand the feeling.
U gotta realise Bertholdt really did think about them as their precious friends, even though he had to kill them according to their mission. He even confesses that to Armin. So him begging to his former friends to save him added more weight to that and I actually liked it (not to mention it actually made his death more emotional).
@@rickchakraborty2087 I understand your point, but after all the bloodshed and sacrifices the scouts made trying to defend themselves against Berthold and his team, it just really rubbed me the wrong way.
@@lorelei23 it was an act of desperation and fear he still considered the scouts as his friends so in his dying moments he called out to them but quickly realized that wasn't working so called out Annie and renier it was a emotional situation not a logical one
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Yeah, I get that. And I guess when he woke up he forgot for a moment what had happened earlier. Tragic end, but I just can't bring myself to sympathize with him. Maybe I'll feel differently when I reread the manga.
The mission was to retrieve the founder, none of them were to eat thr founder as that Marley or anyone doesn't know how to separate the titan powers within one person. Imagine if Annie ate Eren, she would have 3 titans within her, mission complete but then how do u pass that power down? Marley would loose 3 titans, as they are within one.
Reiner couldn't go because his mind was split, so it had to be Annie, what if Reiner just get fukd up when hr is the armoured? Marco death messed him up, Imagine him killing armin and Jean? No too risky to send Reiner.
Plus Reiner was pissed off in s2e12 about Annie so he just started tossing titans so one might eat eren.
Yeah but your argument falls flat when you remember the battle before the rumbling, when Reiner tried to eat Eren, who he knew for a fact had 3 titans in him. So why can they do it then and not before? Reiner couldn't go because his mind was split? But he literally told Annie where Eren was while also watching people die right before him which is just as if not worse for his split.
What if Annie got fucked up? Lol with his Armor it would be a lot harder for them to "fuck him up".
About Annie? No he was pissed because they were about to fail.
@@saintitchief oh after the atrack on liberio I don't think they cared much, magath was in control of marley and he doesn't want to rely on titan powers so he just said fuk it kill the bastard, they just wanted to stop Eren, if they can eat him, good if not then kill, I mean magath on Pieck was trying to kill him, Reiner thought they'd done it, he had no more fight left but he doesn't give Eren enough credit lmfao, then Zeke showed up and fukd em up even more. I know ima specifically talking about Jean and Armin, Reiners mind broke from Marco, I think he is much closer to Jean and Armin than Marco, reiner can handle seeing innocents die as he doesn't know them personally, so to me Annie was the the logical choice, I mean before that, they killed the two titans and now had a clear objective (Eren) 5 years, a sign of relief, which went to their heads and they didn't take into count tbag Erwin is that guy lmfao, they were getting set up (Basement secrets Ceremony setup to lore them out by Erwin), plus sending Annie was good, imo she of all the warriors is the most skilled titan user, she can harden at will and fast, she can call other pure titans, plus she is the most skilled fighter in the warrior unit, but again, human error fukd en up, Levi was the best soldier, they didn't know about levi,
Plus sending Reiner... idk, he's indestructible but I feel like he won't last as long or can transform more than once after a short time like annie can, plus the horses can just ride forever or they can just scale the trees and always wait out reiner.
Anyway yea ur right too but this is just how I looked at these scenes and choices, what I like is that to me the scenes play out normal, yes you can have problems and see flaws and plot holes but others can see the opposite and look past em or even connect em, like me, I see no problem with them.
But rumbling arc is a mess that no sane person can defend lmfao, 123 onwards is a mess!!! Hopefully AotNoRequiem is good!!!
I think Annie just didn't want to eat the founding Titan ... She just wanted a normal life with her father
that's all what she wanted
wdgaf what she wanted
Agree with 99.9% except the rant at around 8:50 "Annie didn't suffer....did she not deserve punishment?"
Four years, awake, in solitary confinement. Unable to move, communicate, kill herself, or sleep to pass the time. Four. YEARS. I shudder every single time i try to fathom such an experience. I'd be horrified just after a few hours, at most one day. Now imagine, THOUSANDS OF THEM, in a ROW.
Then tack on that she hears through Hitch and Armin that MARLEY has been discovered. THEN years later Armin comes crying to try and feel less guilty for attacking her home. For all ARMIN knows and for all ANNIE fears in the crystal, the raid on Liberio killed her father. *Annie DID suffer. It was just off screen.* The whole Armin Annie thing is a joke. She killed his friends and family. But yes, Annie did suffer. The whole ship thing at the end shouldnt have happened. Levi and her should have had to have a very brutal conversation and come to some kind of terms. Levi and Annie are actually very similar so after hashing it out there was enough common ground to have a fragile truce. Both were children, who had a weapon put in their hand and taught to kill to survive. Annie DID suffer. We just didn't see it because the author lazily tossed her away...like Ymir...
I cannot stand how Annie is easily forgiven after all the chaos
Well Reiner, Annie and Pieck saved 20% of humanity, that's redeemable.
@@UmQasaannNot really since it only advantages them, they have nothing to lose by helping the scouts (except for their lives i guess) which doesn't reallly work for a redemption. Take Zuko from avatar the last airbender for example,he had everything to lose by joining the good guys, being considered a traiter by his nation, losing his father's respect, his girlfriend's respect, and being hunted down, yet he still joined the group cause it was the right thing to do.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 Well Attack on Titan story went to hell after Paradis get nuked by the outside world which makes the thing pointless.
I honestly believe he just gave up on writing the ending half way through. Never seen such a downfall so quickly lol.
If Annie ate eren I’m pretty sure she would’ve been eaten herself but besides zeke there are no royal blooded people in Marley. So ig she could’ve eaten him
Why would Annie be eaten for eating eren? It would make no difference whatsoever for the person who eats her.
Great vid as always my man!!!
9:10 - 9:12 - Lmaooooo I don't know if this transition was intentional but the way Bertholdt is dying just to pan to Reiner's face like he could care less is just funny to me
Reiner should've died doing something heroic, and Annie should've survived with her father dying and her truly being alone like she always felt she was
12:03 she didn't swallow him because like eren said marley's command is to capture the founder not to eat him, having someone with more than two titans would be a disadvantage for marley
having annie with two titans would reduce the amount of warriors
@@Mystyyy and would give one of them to much power which would encourage them to rebel
To take a shot at answering the questions if they haven’t already been answered. Annie had to chase the scouts because both Reiner and Bert were on the squad. It would have been really suspicious/weird if either one of them disappears during the mission a titan shows up and when the titan leaves they reappear. At the time the suspicion that shifters was a thing was coming into play and they would have outed themselves. Then for the Annie not swallowing Eren probably has to deal with the fact that then Annie would have to be ate in order for the power of the founder to be used. She more than likely didn’t want to be a sacrifice or they told them not to for that exact reason. Same thing for Ymir. As far as them both living…I mean even though they did some horrendous, unforgivable shit the story went out of it’s way to make it clear they weren’t the bad guys here…i would have like to see Annie see some backlash for what she did…but whatever. Lol
Great video!
I also feel like noone ever talks about how erwin was able to magically predict the Female Titan's existence. As in, he was able to figure out that there were enemy titan shifter among them, but given that nobody on paradis yet knew of a female titan existing, i still get confused about how the immobility weapons they brought with them were perfect for capturing annie, but not an armoured titan or colossal titan (who they should have assumed would show up instead)
Maybe it was used to capture big pure & abnormal titans to study them
Nah, they could have captured Reiner with that set up too
Honestly forgiving Annie is one thing, but going on to make her an embassador for peace? Even Reuner makes sense that he would want to as he's always been troubled by his actions, but I couldn't even see her wanting to do that. Yeah in the end she came to help but i doubt her character change that much?
Levi and zeke in a nutshell
Levi: bitch I’m a Ackerman
Zeke: what that mean
Levi: it means you my bitch
bertholdt was such missed potential out of all the trio.
How? What would had happened if he lived?
I am glad he died in season 3 otherwise his character would have been retconed
I can't remember does Reiner ever realize that all the things he did was not mainly because of him but rather the environment that shaped and molded him in the man he is now. If I was Reiner I would have eventually come to the conclusion that all the things I did was not mainly because of me and sure he can't say that out loud once he is back home but that should have at least relieve some of the depression he had.
Another excellent video, though sadly where are not going to get answers for these questions.
People didnt want Eren to get a happy ending and at the same time they were ok with the warriors happy ending.
I remember Annie telling Hitch that if she goes back in time she would do what she did again, haha
I don't know if you forgot but Marco was brought up again in 127.
i always thought that the counterargument for not eating eren but feed him to some other warrior was plausible. as we learn later, marley relies heavily on titan shifters as their military advantage. scrambling two to three titans into a single warrior would be a great waste, since they would not be able to safely separate them later. another thing is that they wouldn't know that eren has the coordinate until after those two opportunities. just the attack titan, which further weakens the urge to eat him immediately. idk why everyone acts like the eren having a founder should have been something very obvious to warriors. we learn that ksavier withheld the information that the founder could be activated only by a shifter of royal blood, so the warriors must've figured that eren would use the founder powers if he had it at that point.
Yeah but your argument falls flat when you remember the battle before the rumbling, when Reiner tried to eat Eren, who he knew for a fact had 3 titans in him. So why can they do it then and not before?
@Chipo Bh bruh lol. its the same damn thing the coordinate in the hands of eren is bad for them no matter what way you slice it. marley doesn’t care how they get it back, thats it.
@Chipo Bh disagree
@@saintitchief that was a desperate situation they were invading at that point you gotta get the power at any means like I get the argument but yea
accidentally dropped the hardest edit of the warriors and thought we wouldnt notice.
bert is too based to be in the last arc
I think the reason Reinei didn't go instead of Annie onthe expeditionis because he's part of the SC, unlike Annie, so him disappearing for conveniently around the time the Armored Titan showed up, and then showing up again when it's gone would be very suspicious
I think that Annie didnt want to eat Eren because that'd mean that she'd get eaten too by the time she got to Marley. Also, big agree to Zeke having the only competent plan, but fucking up because of his massive ego. I've wanted to make a video like this for a while, but you pretty much said everything that I thought of. Killing Sawney and Bean is the most small brain decision in this series. I cant think of a greater mistake.
A lot of the mistakes in the warrior's plans can be chalked up to not thinking ahead. By the way, Reiner and Annie were the ones to kill Sawney and Bean. Reiner wanted them dead so that the scouts wouldn't learn anything about them, but theres nothing they could have learned that would have been useful. Say they figured out titan serum. great, now they know how to turn their own men into mindless zombies that want to kill them. Worthless info.
About the warriors not eating Eren. All I can possibly think of they can't do it because they where told to give it to Zeke, it makes a lot sense since his a royal blood after all or they where taken orders to kidnap him and let the Marleyan government to decide who should inherit it.
But this can’t be true because we learn later in the story that the Marleyan government never knew Zeke was of royal blood.
Another incovenient i have with Reiner, and i'm probably alone on this but, i feel like his split personality was handled in a very cartoonish way.
Before the reveal he never showed any sing of mental dysfunction, he just flipped and tried to capture Eren in the most inconvenient and stupid of moments and the author justifies it as "he just broke mentally".
How would you fix that "problem" to fit your own personal taste. I genuinely wanna know
@@sperrowvip-jh3pd Its not my problem, i'm not the writter so i don't need to come up with solutions for someone else's story.
It was actually the perfect moment for Reiner to capture Eren. Levi and Erwin were not there, Ymir and Eren were in one place, everyone was tired from a recent battle, but also Reiner and Berthold were under suspicion. So just because it seemed that Reiner just snapped, he still did a smart move.
Good video, but I think you missed a few points about Annie and Reiner's dynamic. Reiner was trying to assert himself as leader and bullying Annie in the process. So, he forced her to do a few things, including killing those 2 titans, to prove her loyalty to Marley. Also, Annie joined the police force, rather than the scouts, so the female titan coming after Eren was a clever surprise attack and it would not have so obviously linked the hidden warriors to any of the scouts if Annie had killed Armin.
Well yeah but the question remains why did Reiner tell her to do it. Also, Annie could have declined.
Thats true, but Reiner could have killed his group and then claimed that a titan attacked. Both would have been as believable.
@@saintitchief Killing those 2 titans was just bad writing to justify the plot that would follow. There's no way to justify that (the bad writing). I just wanted to point out you omitted a few details in the video. For me the end of season 1 (female titan arc) would be the worst in the entire series. But the rumbling took the lead.
That intro after you said “this is the waste of the warriors” was fire 🔥
Annie didn't want to swallow Eren because Marley would sacrifice her instantly when she gets back to Marley so maybe the Tyburs or more important people can be trusted with the founder.
or at least that what I thought
yeah there's no evidence that they would sacrifice her, they would use her until her years were up.
@@saintitchief yeah it's left vague, but I don't think it is a big problem for the show, but what I DO think it's really stupid, was that Annie fighting Levi squad alone, Reiner should have definitely joined that fight, they would probably be able to kill all of the survey corps if they did and succeed with their mission
i think its cause they didn’t want to risk that because it would have been hard for two of them to get back into paradis and also seeing them together would’ve given the scouts bigger clues.
The mad thing is the ending ruined everything
Half way through 126 when armin tries to jump in connies mums mouth is where the story takes a nosedive and fully crashes at 139
I like your channel. Straightforward and critical thinking opinions. I see other channels that seem reluctant to acknowledge AoT's shortcomings for some reason or the other. I like your objective analysis of the content. Keep up the good work. Also, I died watching your "Every reason why Attack on Titan chapter 139 is objectively God awful." That shit was combed with an objectively hilarious fine toothed comb😂😂😂😂
Hell, any one of the shifters could have just swallowed Eren whole for safekeeping because we already knew such a thing was possible, and then retrieved him once the titan was dissolved
12:03 because they didn't know Eren had the Founding Titan. Reiner, Ymir, and Bertoldt figured that out at the end of Season 2 when Eren punched Dina Fritz's titan. If Annie are Eren they wouldn't be able to give the Attack Titan to someone else.
Saintichief explains seconds later how even in the worst case scenario where he isn't the founding titan they still get rid of a potential treat.
So funny how everything is bad now just because of one chapter. 😂😂
the warriors were my favourite characters. the marley arc was also my favourite, so i was really disappointed when they got overshadowed by the scouts. gabi and reiner were my favourites and i loved their character until the rumbling- specifically reiner. he was set up to be the second protagonist and foil to eren, which made me so excited for his character when i saw the direction where eren was heading, but during the rumbling arc, reiner had little to no moments where he shined. he fell flat and was almost like a shell of his old character , just there as a reminder "hey hes a good guy now!!" the way his character ended by him sniffing historias letter left a bad taste in my mouth- that was soilder reiner not the real reiner
Yes l love the Marley arc more than anything and warriors are my favourite also agree with you
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The only reason I can think of as why Annie went after the scouts instead of Reiner is because she had an alibi being in the military police brigade. If Reiner suddently vanished from the scout's formation and a shifter appeared, it would have been easier for the protagonists to figure out who he was.
also unlike other people i never really minded that levi was "cool" with annie. yeah, i would have liked for him to have a conversation with her but levi is very emotionally mature. he worked with zeke and even though he could easily kill him, he didnt. i dont think it was inconsistent.
Another banger as per usual
You don't think about your cousin didn't share chocolate with you when your cousin's getting kidnapped! Why would they think about revenge for their fallen comrades when Eren is making the whole world fall?!
Because they are working with the people who are also responsible for said fall. Also your example is a huge false equivelancy , because the cousin isn't responsible for the kidnapping in question, the warriors are inderectly responsible for the rumbling.
I think the reason that the 3 warriors didn't ate Eren because they thought, when they return to Marley with one of them already become the owner of the Founding Titan, that person will be eaten immediately.
They know that the Founding Titan can only be used by a direct decent of the Fritz blood line.
This I think where we as audience never told how Marley gonna use the Founding Titan power, but there a possibility that the Tybur family can use the Founding Titan power.
The warriors characters were definitely completely destroyed in the ending. The biggest things I would do to change/fix the warriors are:
1. Have them all feel a ton of guilt for paradise, on the level of reiner depressed and ready to commit suicide at the start of season 4. No I would do it again bull. Thats stupid.
2. I understand the scouts being forced to work with them if they want to stop eren ( and them wanting to stop eren could have been fleshed out way more. Maybe they would rather sacrifice themselves then let 7 billion other people die, idk, but anything could be better than black and white genocide bad.) But setting aside that, I understand not being able to kill eachother if you want to save everyone, but there should still be way more tension. More of jean punching reiner, less we are all friends now. And the warriors should need to do a lot more to atone, during and after the battle.
3. Their punishment. Almost none of them got any real punishment or karma in the end. Lets fix that.
Bertolt died. Thats good. 👍
Porco died. Thats good. 👍
Now we can start actually giving new punishments.
Annie: In the story we have her finally meet back up with her dad for a total of 1 minute. Then the worm turns her dad, along with everyone else into titans. I feel some good karma for her, as well as a good sacrifice, would be her dad attacking them, and nearly killing one of the scouts. Idk which one, I think maybe levi, as he does probally still hate her for killing his team, but is focusing on eren and zeke. Then, annie is forced to kill her dad. Then she would need to live with that for the rest of her life. I feel that would be a good punishment, considering getting back to him was her goal the whole series, and now, she killed him. And saved a scout in the process.
Pieck: Honestly I dont know for her. She didn't do as much, so she probally doesn't deserve a super dramatic punishment, and at the same time, unlike annie, there really isn't anything personal that happens during the final battle that I remember that I could work with.
And finally, reiner. Its simple. JUST LET HIM SACRIFICE HIMSELF ALREADY. We have him atone for his sins, save someone or everyone, and let him finally die. And then, his last pannel in the series isnt him, SNIFFING A LETTER!!
Oh yeah. There is also zeke, but he died and thats fine, and its good levi finally got him. Marcel also was there, but he was eaten by ymir before he could do anything, so I dont have anything to say about him. Also, the warrior recruits (falco and gabi) were also there, but they are literally children. I say just let hem live.
Taking notes for whenever I make a fanfic. Guess the story needs to rewritten at the female Titan arc.
Brooo how can you be so based😭😭😭
What is based
@@hungry_khid1007 staying true to your beliefs till the end, something Eren failed to do but Floch did.
@@rickchakraborty2087 so what's based and redpilled
@@hungry_khid1007 that's something, only Ymir would know...
I think Annie went to get eren alone is because she had to prove her loyalty further, as the warriors start suspecting her as a sympathizer when she saved Connie, whilst having her kill Marco, I think realistically that doesn’t completely prove her to be with the mission, not only that, but I think Annie might have had feelings for eren at one point, or some sort of admiration, with her being reminded of him constantly in certain situations, like in S1 23, or the lost girls OVA.
I can understand reiner having a happy life in the end because he has suffered so much mentally that he even tried to commit suicide. he realized that he has done wrong and that the people in paradis was never their enemy. He may not have suffered physically but he has suffered a lot mentally and emotionally. That's why I feel it is justified for him to at least have a second chance. whereas annie learns nothing, has no remorse and yet she gets a happy ending with armin. why?
12:03 for the same reason Pieck did not shoot Eren in Paradis when she met him: “killing the founding titan/coordinate will result in Marley killing your family and stripping you of your warrior title.”
finally someone talked about warriors to me they have the best stories and characters depth such a waste
The reason why Annie didn’t swallow Eren was because Marley wanted Eren brought back alive
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i guess the only reason i can think of is that if annie ate eren and returned to marley they wont have any evidence that they actually captured the founder and ate him so thats why she tried to capture him instead of eating him
I think a reason Annie didnt swallow Eren is she thought they might feed her to another person once she gets the founder so they can split the power of the female and founder idk.
12:48 the reason Annie didn't eat Eren instead of kidnapping him was maybe because she really didn't know if you can also become another Titan , which only perhaps that scientist who plays catch with Zeke , knew about who's been working on Titan abilities for years..... Or maybe after S2 last episode when Eren used the Founding Titan , that shocked Reiner.
It would also make sense why Eren didn't hesitate to eat the warhammer Titan and the jaw Titan in contrast to not eating Annie in S1. Ofcourse he hesitated coz Annie was a commrade , but he also didn't know
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Damn the intro goes hard asf
8:34 exactly thank you
Omg I really love your videos so much facts 😩💜
13:10 I’ll give it a shot: I think that there are 2 possible reasons. The first is that they might not have known what would happen if they swallowed eren and didn’t want to risk it. It’s never explained but maybe Marley never knew either when experimenting what would happen if a shifter ate another shifter. It’s possible but I don’t find it very convincing.
The second one, which I find far more compelling, was that if they ate eren they would then have the founder and that would essentially be a death sentence for themselves when they return to Marley. Like Marley probably wouldn’t just let them keep it. They’d give the founder to someone who could use it. Which would mean they’d get fed to someone else. It’s kind of same reason they didn’t just go back after marcel got eaten. They knew that they’d be fed to someone else and didn’t want to die. So it probably would have been the most effective method but in this case it’s a selfish motivation to want to return and get to live the rest of your life when compared to the importance of their mission. Anyway that’s my head cannon.
We actually kind of see this later in the series with pieck too when she was holding eren at gunpoint. I mean it’s not exactly the same but they both involve the most optimal play being some kind of detriment to themselves. Ie shooting eren would guarantee that her father would die because she would be disobeying Marley. Though one involves following orders and the other is disobeying them.
This actually makes sense. Too much sense
I'm guessing that, from your point about why Annie (or any of the other Shifters) didn't eat Eren, the point stems from what we know about Grisha eating the Founder. When Eren ate Grisha, he inherited both the Attack Titan and the Founding Titan. This means that, if someone eats a Shifter with two Titans, they receive both Titans (with the only hypothetical way to separate the two Titans being to kill the Shifter). This would pose a problem to Marley on both fronts. They are evidenced to care more about quantity over quality, viewing the more Titan Shifters they have as the better: two Shifters each in control over a Titan is better to them than one Shifter in control over two Titans (otherwise, why not combine the Female Titan with the Armored, creating the perfect offense and defense).
However, I'm guessing the permeant-ness (not a word, I know) behind doing so scared them, as once two Titans were combined, there would be no way to separate them other than to kill the Shifter possessing them. And as stated, once a Shifter dies, a random baby inherits their Titan, meaning Marley could lose TWO Titans for the price of one. Of course, this would then raise the question: how does Marley know this if they've never tried? In fact, it's never once been hinted through the entire story that any Shifter before Eren has come in possession of multiple Titans, so either Marley didn't know a Shifter could have multiple (hence why no one eats Eren), or they knew and lied to everyone else about it.
I mean, not even Paradis knew you could have multiple until Eren just...did it, out of nowhere. Memories of the Founder, perhaps? Retcon? Who knows.
the more i think about it, for me the main issue is how the characters treat the warriors during the rumbling.
With annie, she has no regrets on what she's done, because everything she's done was to be back with her father. but asks mikasa if she would be willing to kill eren and put her love aside? i would be willing to accept this, if annie were to acknowledge her hypocrisy, and perhaps both Annie and Mikasa could find a heart to heart where they both understand each other's motives, finally reaching the parallel between them as opposite sides of the same coin, and perhaps even coming to an agreement. she expresses remorse for killing marco, but that's the most she's been. in the very least, if she said "i'd do it all again", it could have been framed in a way to say "i did what i did. maybe i'd do it again if i had to. but i'd rather not, every moment haunts me, and i don't know if i could look my own father in the eye".
It's strange that annie did neither of that, and yet the scout veterans were more forgiving on her, and seem to just be cool with it. no less armin who has a crush on annie. i mean, the whole "you've been influenced by bertholdt's memories" thing could have actually had some truth to it, and maybe armin could come to a conclusion where he doesn't love Annie like Bertholdt did, but at LEAST he would be willing to say "you know what annie, you did indeed kill many of my friends and comrades. but in turn, i did the same, including many innocent lives. i can't really hold it against you anymore. i can't get over it, but i don't want to hold it against you", sort of thing. but to love Annie? that's far too soon considering the circumstances.
With Reiner, i just feel so damn upset. i get it, his whole soldier shtick was kinda fake, he was never meant to be a warrior. but come on, making him into a snivelling apologist just doesn't seem like him either, especially the kind that gets his ass so easily beat, it's laughable. i don't know if i could write him better, since up until the Warhammer arc, i quite liked him, the guilt he felt and everything. but he seemed too much of a punching bag. to add insult to injury, he's sniffing a letter written by historia. come on, that's not cute, or funny, that's just weird. it was funny in season 2, he was younger and everyone seemed to love "Christa"/historia for her charm, but they're adults by this point, how do you not let go of that kind of fantasy? especially after everything.
and of course, eren and armin. come on. a whiny snivelling snob who doesn't want mikasa to find another man, wants her to think about him forever.... that sounds so pathetic, it's uncharacteristic, even for Eren. he got his thoughts in chapter 130, he had an arc, he matured. it's one thing to hide your own thoughts and feelings and plans from your friends, another to completely fake your resolve and maturity, that's just cheap. and armin, come on. "thanks for being a mass murderer for us", dude that's not armin at all.
i read AOT NO REQUIEM, and i must say, that's the armin and eren i was looking for. how there are AOT fans that hated that fanmade ending, it confuses me. in my opinion, it does more dignified justice for the characters, and the narrative of the story, than what the official manga does.
whether the anime will change this, i hope so. so far, there's been hints to an anime only exclusive ending, i hope it'll make it work.
zeke video when
I think the scouts had somewhat moved on from their beef with Annie. Annie (who didn't direct kill any of the main recruits, except Marco) wakes up, when our guys have just got over Gabi killing Sasha, and are literally on the path to 'saving the world'. She was inactive for years (wasn't involved in the 2 major battles that nearly destroyed the survey corps) & the situation had significantly changed since their initially conflict (they'd attacked her home). The key thing imo is Levi (& Co) realised she atleast felt something for the things she did (her titan cried after losing Eren), whereas Levi suspected Zeke didn't give a shit about killing Eldians.
Side note: Reiner decided that they had to take out the captured titans and if Annie ate the founder she'd be risking getting 'replaced' earlier, same for Reiner & Bert.
A lot of Annie hate in the comments, which is fair becos of her actions, but I find the reasoning behind it strange becos she's really no different than Mikasa. We all know the lengths Mikasa would go to, for Erens sake. Annie understood herself & the hypocrisy of the world, so she just did whatever she had to do. So she enjoys beating(killing) capable opponents (soldiers), there's plenty of pro fighters like that. Unlike the other warriors, she was hoping to find someone who could change things. When she did, she eventually overcame her selfishness & came clutch in the end, long before Mikasa overcame her love.
it doesn't justify what she did, just showing regret without redemption is just nonsense, levi saw his friends being killed by her how could he possibly forget that and be okay with her just because she showed tears. wow he is such a gentle person 🤣
@@calvinliemarvin4473 I never said it was justified but in the grand scheme of things, it was very old news. Yeh she killed Levi's subordinates, but Zeke & Reiner were responsible for killing Erwin & 90+% of the scouts. Levi's a boss right? Makes sense the focus for his beef is on Zeke. Besides, she literally joins them in the redemption arc lol ofc its for her own interest, but that's the same for all of the marleyans.
I guess my overall point is just becos she meked petra in a fight to the death, doesn't mean she's extra evil or deserves extra punishment, especially as a character in AoT. E.g. As an enemy, we're her actions after the wall breach any worst than when our scouts sacrificed their own civilians to capture her in Trost?
What redemption arc man, annie and reiner are just used them for their own interest they know hange and the others are naive and stupid that is all i see, well whatever the reason she kill many people and she don't deserved a happy ending she need to lose something same for reiner too. Well about levi he is just like everyone else on the alliance, they want to SaVe ThE WoRld that is the only reason why he is cool with annie, i really wish all of them dead
@@calvinliemarvin4473 true, at the start it isn't a redemption arc, but once they realise their home is destroyed, but still decide its the right thing to try & stop Eren, then it becomes one. They're doing it to make up for their past actions without anything personal to gain from it. Everybody is a killer in this series lol, even Armin killed civilians as he nuked that port. Btw, I hate the ending, I'm just playing devil's advocate.
Anyway, without Annie completing her character arc by joining in the final battle, they'd all have died becos Mikasa was slacking. She didn't know her dad was alive, it was the first time she didn't act selfishly, that's why she was reunited with her dad.