As of right now yeah, klopp has an amazing track record and he’s got 15 years of extra experience over Arteta. But klopp would never have started his first job at a club like Arsenal…..
@S0L12D3 ,yeh, he only took a small club called Mainz to the bundesliga for the first time in their history in 3 years,and finished 11th in the following season, with the lowest budget. At Dortmund,he won back to back titles against the great Bayern Munich,2 German cups,and got to the Champions league final that lost to bayern. Don't compare a nobody with klopp 😂
@@S0L12D3na he started from the bottom and worked his way up. Arteta got his job because he was peps friend and then Arsenal needed a manager. There’s really no comparison.
Arteta just started managing, so comparing him to ANYONE who's been at the job for at least 10 years is pointless...... I agree on VvD being clear of Gabriel...... but I'm surely taking Saliba over VvD at the moment...... doesn't matter if VvD plays with different partner each game...... the reason Saliba is better right now, is because Saliba is great even in one-on-one challenges, that have nothing to do with your CB partner
@@LukasMatejka-du5hbin every single stat this season van djik is better than saliba. It’s not even close. Saliba is closer to Joel Matip than he is to van djik
Every single stat? Delusional i just had a look... And he beats van dijk in quite a few defensive stats... Saliba is miles ahead of Matip. Liverpool fans rattled at a 21 year old kid LMAO@@SopranoLFC
@@connoroleary4761Have you seen the state of Liverpool’s starting XI when Klopp took over? Doesn’t sound like it. I’m an Arsenal fan but Liverpool when Klopp took over was actually a joke
@@connoroleary4761 the team Arteta inherited won the FA cup a few months later what are you talking about? The team Klopp took over was absolutely dire.
Just to add a bit of context…. Arteta inherited an Arsenal team that had just finished 5th with 70 points, his first 11 contained David Luiz, Granit Xhaka, Mesut Ozil, Aubameyang and Bukayo Saka. They’d finished runners up in the Europa League the season before and won the FA Cup the season he took charge. Klopp inherited a Liverpool team that had finished with 62 points the season before. Coutinho was probably the standout player in his first 11. It’s absolutely laughable to suggest Liverpool’s team was better 😆 Full teams on their first games are below:- Arteta: Leno, Maitland-Niles, Sokratis, David Luiz, Saka, Torreira, Xhaka, Ozil, Nelson, Aubameyang, Lacazette Klopp: Mignolet, Clyne, Sakho, Škrtel, Moreno, Lucas, Can, Coutinho, Lallana, Milner, Origi.
@@schneeraizor7020 Saka is provenalready one of the best wingers around. Not only in the league but even in the World cup at his age. Salah proven and world class but you can see this season already he will only get worse where Saka can only get better
@@KingKai2024 Bukayo Saka : 8 goals from 24 games all comps. Mo salah : 12 Goals in the league ALONE. if u want to treat him like a superstar, he better have a superstar number. there is no age tax on performance
@@schneeraizor7020 so we just taking goals to acount no assists for a winger. G+A Salah 16G+8A in 26games. Saka 8G +12A in 24 games. So similar numbers one plays in Europa League the other in the Champions league.Saka is not even in form this season and doing Salahs numbers at the age of 22. You said picking Saka over Salah is Insane! Where actually is close and anyone has the right to pick Saka over Salah at this moment.
This was a difficult watch, trying to take both CBs when Liverpool has the best defensive record, and Virg has the best record of any defender, shows the bias and takes me out of the convo
Been a fan of both. I have question for you. Would you trade Saliba for VVD? I have to say right now they are pretty much similar but Saliba will get better with age, meanwhile VVD peaked.
Saliba and VVD will never work if you really watch both the teams. Both are last mans who really don't go after forwards whereas gabriel is the aggressive one. Saliba is his cover and does more of the passes forward wherein gabriel sometimes goes into midfield when out of possession to press the forwards of the opp team.
@@ShubhamYadav-ll1epthis is a really dumb take…. Brilliant players like VVD and Saliba can fit into any system. Gabriel however would not work in any system because he’s not a world class player. Saliba can do pretty much everything his touch is immaculate, his stand up defending is superb. His great in the air! He would be unreal next to Van Dijk
The only difference between both clubs is Declan rice. I believe Arsenal can be just as vulnerable defensively with Zinchenko as Liverpool are with TAA. Liverpool have a better GK and better attacking Quality than Arsenal. If u hypothetically asked Arteta would u swap Jesus and Nketiah for Gakpo and Jota then he would do that no doubt. Liverpool also have more goal scorers from midfield in Szoboszlai Mac Allister Gravenberch Jones and Elliot compared to Arsenal. If we can hold on until January and sign Joao Palhinha then I really do think we have a bigger chance than Arsenal to win the league.
@@ShubhamYadav-ll1epok so if you can’t have it you pick VVD. Ppl saying Saliba is better are arsenal fans or football hipsters. Vvd is this season has been on another level to any cb itw
the arsenal fan thinks van dijk can’t play left centre back as if he hasn’t been there his whole career. He said “u put saliba in therefore u can’t put van dijk in cus that’s his spot”
Urrghh, Lawrence messed up during the amount of League Titles section. Arsenal have 13 league titles and Liverpool have 19!!! This whole "Liverpool have 1 premier league trophy" is infuriating. Football didn't start in 1992.
Spot on, was thinking exactly the same. Just cause they gave it a different name and changed a couple of small things about it doesn't cancel out Liverpools dominance of pre 1992 english football!
@@FOOTIATOR So by that logic, Man Utd need to stop saying they have 20 titles, Arsenal need to stop saying they have 13 titles, and every OTHER major trophy win before 1992 - such as the European Cup, UEFA Cup and even the FA Cup - all need to be rescinded. How stupid does that sound? Extremely.
@@gsdrums47by this logic rivals uses. England never won the current rendition of the World Cup. They win the Jules Rimet trophy. Englands name is not even engraved on the current World Cup
Saliba isn't a first choice France center back,he's played all season alongside Gabriel, who has been playing great..on the other hand,you have a Liverpool/Netherlands captain,back from injury to being back to his best,playing alongside 4 different central partners in the process, including a 20 year old Quansa,aswell as concentrating on his own game..VVD is simply the best,no doubt!
VVD has been average for like 2 seasons, he’s only coming back to his best now. Saliba not starting for France shows how many great centre backs they have and saliba is also one of the youngest, VVD wasn’t doing it like Saliba at the same age
Saliba isn't starting for France, because he clearly doesn't have best relationship with Deschamps...... because in WHAT WORLD would you put muppets like Varane or Upamecano over Saliba, who is CLEARLY better individual CB than any of them :D
Saliba is first choice for France now. They played Greece and Gibraltar in the last international break, gave Saliba the Greece game rather than the 14-0 Gibraltar game
1. Saliba doesn’t start for France over Konate 🤷🏽♂️ 2. Szoboszlai or MacAllister would start over Havertz 3. Arteta is a million miles away from Klopp 4. Liverpool will always be bigger than Arsenal because they are European royalty with Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, AC Milan, etc 5. A fully fit Arsenal is not beating a fully fit Man City no chance
1.Saliba and Konate have similar amount of caps for France but caps for country dont mean much Giroud was playing ahead of Benzema. Saliba just started playing this year for France as they have lots of quality and more experience CB. 2. Not for Arsenal otherwise Arteta would try to buy them instead of Harvetz who was his first choice. 3. If you count there first 4 years in managenent pretty close. 4. Can be sure as things can change quickly look at City 5. We beat them this season and we should of won before where we dominated them most of the game. The games are getting tighter not 3,4 nils
Arteta has had 1 good season in which he won nothing vs Klopp who has a whole career of success in many different leagues with different levels of clubs.. the arrogance is unreal @@wasabijones4571
They talk Liverpool bigger due to winning more in Europe. The arsenal fan talks about they have more premier leagues. He does know we have more league titles than them. Football did not start in 1992. We won more trophies than them.
liverpool are strong favourites for the carabao cup, the only other top team is chelsea who as we know are hit and miss so you’d have to say liverpool will win a trophy before arsenal
This Arsenal fan makes Rory Jennings look rational! Never have I seen anyone on A2D be so consistently wrong - and that's when I take it from an unbiased perspective! Get AFTV Robbie back! P.S. Klopp's first Liverpool XI had Mignolet, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno, Allen and Jordan Ibe. Arteta's first Arsenal XI had Leno, David Luiz, Saka, Ozil, Xhaka, Aubameyang and Lacazette. see who started with a worse team Cecil
dont just look at the names bruv look at what happened to them, in the same season özil posted the uighurs tweet and arteta didnt play him at all, xhaka threw his shirt on the ground, saka was a young LB, David Luiz was a joke🤣
How can he says that arsenal is bigger world wide than Liverpool. I have been almost to all Asian countries and man utd and Liverpool are everywhere. Arsenal almost unknown.
This was recorded either before the season started or shortly after. Im going off what has been said in the video. For what its worth as it stands, if all are fit and available for both sides i think the XI should be this: Alisson Trent Saliba VVD Robbo Rice Odegard Szoboslai Saka Salah Diaz/Martinelli (very close)
@@KasiR1995 @KasiR1995 I said if all are fit and available but yes he's still injured. I didn't shift VVD for any particular reason and I don't agree with Saliba >VVD. Szobo and Odegard can definitely play together as a matter of fact I'm convinced he's the player that Arteta really should have signed (havertz isn't physical either but szobo is tenacious). Don't be ignorant with the Diaz comments because it's definitely close! I know what Klopp has said about Martinelli however I don't think he's a generational talent but a top class player. Admittedly, generational talent comments really need to be reserved for those who deserve it.
@@KasiR1995 That's fair enough and respectable, each to their own. Not that it matters, but I have had conversations about similar things with my mates who do support Arsenal and know ball. There's no bias there and havertz is simply not a physical player, I still disagree with Martinelli and Diaz and Saliba > VVD in the context of footballing ability. Diaz was also robbed of a wonderful finish at spurs and is capable of greatness but admittedly in smelly form.
@@jacobalexander4167 Diaz has similar attributes to Martinelli but Martinelli is far more expressive. For me, it's not really a question about what Diaz brings that Martinelli doesn't, I think most people see them as the same type of player as do I and that's why it's close. I'm a huge fan of Martinelli and i hope he makes it to the elite level with lots of trophies but it's only Arsenal fans that have him clear of Diaz. I just don't think it's as simple as that. Diaz is also a monster defensively but does concede a lot of fouls.
@@KasiR1995 wwhat do you mean shift VVD to LCB? that's where he plays lmao, also Tsimikas starts over any of your left back anyway if you dont want to include robbo
Klopp brought mainz back to Bundesliga. Brought dortmund to a champions league final. Made liverpool win premier league after 28 years and also win a champions league with them and also made liverpool a title contenders in every year.
Arsenal fans hate statics because its shows they don't know ball can't agrue either stats u can think a player is better because u love your club but stats = facts vvd is the measure stick of defenders the last few years
@@factsandworldknowledge2654I’m assuming he means clean sheets from Ramsdale and Raya combined? Rambo had a couple of clean sheets at the start of the season before Raya became starter. Idk but one thing is undeniable, arsenal have had the best defense in the league. Allowing the lowest xg against and have conceded the least amount of goals. Edit: best defense in the league so far. It could change ofc as the season goes on
@@factsandworldknowledge2654 ??? ARSENAL have more clean sheets than United you muppet, Onana has more clean sheets because he's started every game. Ramsdale and Raya have both played this season, so the clean sheets are spread between them. You can't be that thick surely. It even tells you on your PL app that Arsenal have the most clean sheets 🤣
Alisson Trent, Saliba, VVD, Robertson Thiago, Rice, Odegaard Salah, Nunez, Saka There's an argument for Jesus over Nunez, and Szobo over Thiago, but everything else is nailed on imo
There is no way in the world that u just put NUNEZ over jesus and thiago who i never even see play bcs he is injured all the time over havertz right now. Lol the fact u said “there is a argument to put jesus in for nunez” loool common sense
@@Rpowbz123havertz was the laughing stock of the league a month ago. He’s scored a few goals since but he’s not that good. I like him btw, but he’s not getting in a combined 11 yet, no way.
@@craigjohnson9605havertz has had three very key goals for arsenal this season including a goal that sent us at the top of the league int the 89th minute.
It is wild that an Arsenal fan will claim more dominance over Liverpool, both in the PL and in the CL Liverpool is destroying Arsenal in terms of titles, More PL titles and well Arsenal has never even won the champions league, now with Arsenal`s current team i think they`ll likely win a PL title in the very near future, but Arsenal have never been the side who wins and retains titles, not even Arsenal`s greatest ever team the "Invincibles." Managed to do that, United, Liverpool, Chelsea and City have all retained titles. In terms of being a more popular club worldwide, that is the only argument that Arsenal do have over Liverpool.
@@coolboy-cy4ku you keep telling yourself that buddy. Arsenal didn't have a good squad but Liverpool was overachieving if they finished top half, the squad was that bad
heck you on about..? liverpools squad was a joke bar sturridge and couthino .. i like the way you leave out the 600m+ euros that Artetas spent since hes been there - to win ONE mighty FA cup - with Emerys team... Arteta / Arsenal are bottlers.. all talk no substance...🍼🍼🍼🍼🍼🍼🍼@@coolboy-cy4ku
2 months later and That Arsenal fan is so deluded. Firstly we won a trophy before they did already lol In a starting 11, Arsenal would be lucky to get 2 maybe 3 players that’s it. And Arteta over Klopp is braindead.
Arteta has just had 1 single title race with city and we cant even call it a title race as they had a 13 point lead dint even make it to the 90 point lead. While Klopp has been to 4Ucl times just unlucky in the finals. Hes pushed Mancity probably the best Prem side with 97-99 points a season and producing Legends like. Lewandowski, Matt Hummels, Salah, Mane and Virgil Vandijkl
Just some facts.. Liverpool has amassed the most points in the Premier League era up until the 2022/23 season. According to statistics from the Premier League, Liverpool has collected 2,441 points, while Arsenal has collected 2,274 points. This makes Liverpool the team with the most points in the Premier League era.
anyone who’s watched 5+ liverpool and arsenal games this season will say van dijk has been better than saliba, last season it was definitely saliba but van dijk is now 100% over his injury. The only mistake he’s made is the penalty against newcastle whereas saliba there’s 3/4 i can name off the top of my head
@@chunkcache he conceded a penalty, he past back to the keeper which gave a top chance to the other team, he’s made a lot more fouls than van dijk which is proof he’s a worse defender cus if he didn’t foul them he’d of been dribbled past losing that stat and probably contributing to conceding a goal
@@timmy5876that's a lie and you know it, according to whoscored saliba makes 0.5 fouls in the prem and 0.7 in the UCL, while VVD makes 1 foul per game in the Europa and 0.6 in the orem, which means he makes more foul on an average than saliba
I love the start from Laurance about Cecil comment over achieving Champions League "I don't understand your mentality" well that's because Cecil don't really have a proper one, he just want to be happy, he wants to be driven by PR bs from our club. Instead of expecting what's best from his team after spending over 700mil in 4 years 👍 You'd have to meet proper Gunner Laurence to have a reasonable chat tbh
Why do you people always lie about the amount of money spent? Also it isn't even that much of a net spend in his time. United and Chelsea have spent far more. Last summer Spurs spent more money than us...
Alisson Trent Van Dijk Saliba Robertson Rice Odegaard Szobo Salah Jota Martinelli Can’t argue with that debatable Jesus over Jota but remember who made Arsenals defence dance👀
Van dijk over Saliba Konate over Gabrielle Klopp over arteta And Liverpool are 20 MAJOR trophies ahead of arsenal so its not even a debate who's the bigger club 😂 Deluded fanbase
Liverpool fan was far too weak in this. A proper scouser would make a stronger argument. VVD is a level above Saliba. Sobo is 10 times the midfielder that Partey is and Luis Diaz is ahead of Martinelli. How is Arteta even close to Klopp as a manager? Arsenal fans were begging for him to get the sack less than 2 years ago. Arsenal are not even close to Liverpool as far as club size is either
It's quite obvious you don't know ball, what does Diaz offer that martinelli can't? Martinelli has more goals and assists than Diaz since Diaz has been in the prem
Hard watch this 1. VVD has been better then Saliba and Liverpool have the best defence record this season 2. Klopp will always be a better manager then Arteta 3. Liverpool have 19 league titles and 6 champions leagues to Arsenals 13 league titles and 0 champions leagues so Liverpool will always be a bigger club 4. Arsenal couldn’t even beat Liverpool in the last game when they had no Salah, Szo, VVD and Robertson , so Arsenal can’t beat every team
Van dijk is miles ahead of saliba...I saw saliba kick the ball out for a corner with no pressure...and this ain't even the best version of van dijk as well.
@franklingoodwin I've said that...van dijk isn't as good as pre 2020...but he is still on par or better now. For stats merchant, van dijk is better and even to the eye, he is good providing liverpool (due to their own failing) haven't got a proper no 6...whereas saliba has rice in front
Alisson, Trent, VVD, Robbo, Szobo, Salah, Nunez all start for Arsenal. Trying to force Partey in there like Rice hasn’t made that DM position his own is just shameless. Diaz and Martinelli also aren’t far apart, that could go either way.
Trent, Nunez and Szobo do not start for us wtf are you talking about? Trent would make us worse defensively. Nunez can't finish his dinner I'd rather have everything else Jesus brings to the team than whatever the fuck Nunez has. And szobo? He wouldn't even get in over Havertz atm never mind a fully fit Partey who was playing in the DM spot with rice in the Havertz position. Same amount of games played as Havertz less goals and one more assist.
@@eejit199 I look at Liverpool’s squad and I’d take Saliba over Konate, Rice as our DM, Odegaard over Macallister, and Martinelli over Diaz maybe. Havertz gets nowhere near, White is nowhere near, Jesus is nowhere near. The argument can go both ways. Arsenal fans favor recency bias too much, “atm” NO, since the beginning of the season Szobo has been a revelation and one of the best signings of the season. Havertz has had one or two good months at most. If you get Szobo in your midfield then you can accommodate for Trent but either way Szobo makes the team. Jesus is too injury prone and not clinical, Nunez still scores more and his movement is elite.
@@r.i.psteez929 Jesus nowhere near? He cooks every team he plays and even if you make the argument that jesus isn't good because he's a striker and cannot score goals i could say the same for nunez as well? What does nunez have over jesus? Jesus is a better dribbler, passer, and has better control over the ball. Nunez is only faster than him and that's it.
Arteta has spent not far off what klopp has this tenure now at arsenal than klopp has the whole 8 years hes been in at Liverpool, the only reason there even at the table
The Liverpool fan is bang on when he said that Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Ljungberg, Vieira etc. couldn’t get the champions league over the line for Arsenal, but players like Baros, Traore, Hamann, Smicer etc. won the champions league for Liverpool 🙈🙈 that’s one of many reasons why they’ll always be a bigger club than Arsenal… and I hate Liverpool, I’m a City fan 🤣
@@franklingoodwinbecause they’re snakes. The True Geordie’s show is a lot better now imo without them because it’s nowhere near as toxic and tribal and the likes of Joey Knight is a way better representative of Chelsea than Rory Jennings. I don’t know about Lawrence though, he might’ve just chosen to pursue a career in directing or just do his own channel whilst raising his kids or something
@@barry4649 "Snakes" lol. You sound like a fanboy. Are you gonna act like Laurence and Adam McKola didn't have good reason to leave? And Laurence really didn't want to leave, but Brian kind of put in him in that position. Oh, you're a Chelsea fan. I understand now, you lot always defend people saying racist sh*t
@@Faren_ if everton got deducted 10 points for breaking one rule and city have supposedly broken 115 rules what do you reckon will happen. Do you think they will be innocent on all 115 charges. You know they only have to be guilty once for a deduction plus this is over many years too.
@@lfcgero35 City are a much bigger club with infinitely more money. They’ll hire the best lawyers money can buy and get out of it. I don’t know whether they’re actually guilty or not but I doubt they’ll actually get charged.
@@Faren_ i wouldnt bet on it pal thats one of the reasons city are off it this season. Its definitely in the back of the players minds and peps mind too. You do realise why the premier league are doing this right. Its due to UEFA putting pressure on all the european leagues to get all their clubs financially stable and following the financial rules. Both FIFA and UEFA are trying to clean up their image after massive corruption over the years and due to pressure from the US and EU to do so. The premier league even added more stringent rules than UEFA just recently. Its not just city liverpool were in trouble too for the one season they werent in europe. Roma , inter , juve , sporting lisbon , chelsea , arsenal , monaco , besiktas and many more all had charges against them and all over the last 5 years too.
I like how most of the video is Cecil trying his hardest to find an answer and then Lawrence then swoops in and puts the facts straight whilst being respectful to some opinions to arsenal
When VVD was 24 he was playing in Scotland. Saliba is 22 and is playing in the most competitive league in the world and is a full international for France! it's not even CLOSE!
That's the same argument these Arsenal clowns have for Saka and Salah. Where was Drogba, Mane, Salah, Alisson, Mahrez, Ribery, Pires, Vardy at 22? The "where was he at this age" argument is for clowns.
people say arteta will pass klopps legacy as a manager in the prem which is probably true just down to the fact that arteta won’t be against pep in a couple of years. Football fans in general feel like klopp and pep will leave their clubs in 2/3 seasons so arteta might come up against managers of a much lower standard. If this liverpool team played in any other prem era they’d have won atleast 3 maybe even more prem titles, arteta could win 3 in the coming years as he’s very young and surpass klopps legavy statistically but we know deep down if he was against the man city of recent years he wouldn’t of won those leagues cus there only 1/2 teams in history better than this city team in my opinion
Love these, but they need to come out quicker and closer to filming. Can tell this was filmed early in season so their opinions/debates was skewed early season form, and it changes quickly (ie. Man City form dip, Havertz come to form, etc) …. Great format though.
Loz will win most of these debates or at the least come out looking intelligent because he actually presents facts. He makes some proper good videos breaking down every Liverpool game.
@@s3precision750 me too man I can't wait, I'm confident my arsenal will punish liverpool, they are too weak in the midfield compared to us and that will win us the game coyg
This Arsenal fan 😂😂🤦 literally every question he made himself look like a tit… VVD is miles ahead of Saliba, and then putting Gabriel ahead of VVD… this guy is high. Saying they will win a cup first when they’re already out of the EFL and Liverpool are in the semis… and are also in the Europa league which they have a good chance of winning. Picking Arteta over Klopp speaks for itself 🤦 And man for man. Allison Trent Vvd Saliba Robbo Rice Szobo Odegaard Salah Jota Martinelli 7-4
Cecil talking about Saliba: right now he is the best… Cecil when talking about Partey: when fully fit… I would’ve pounced on that. You cannot have it both ways. It’s either on form or fully fit.
It's too hard to compare Arteta to Klopp. One has so much more experience and done it all, the other is only just getting started. Not a fair comparison.
Thanks to Laurence and Cecil for taking part
Big up Laurence 🙏
Please get Cecil the help he needs
I think he’s doing it for content
They won carabo cup . now even premiere league coming the way I see it
Anyone who takes Arteta over Klopp is clinically insane
As of right now yeah, klopp has an amazing track record and he’s got 15 years of extra experience over Arteta.
But klopp would never have started his first job at a club like Arsenal…..
Man City will. Serves their playstyle better. Remember Arteta was assosciated with Pep at City. Only person clinically insane is you.
@S0L12D3 ,yeh, he only took a small club called Mainz to the bundesliga for the first time in their history in 3 years,and finished 11th in the following season, with the lowest budget. At Dortmund,he won back to back titles against the great Bayern Munich,2 German cups,and got to the Champions league final that lost to bayern. Don't compare a nobody with klopp 😂
@@S0L12D3na he started from the bottom and worked his way up. Arteta got his job because he was peps friend and then Arsenal needed a manager. There’s really no comparison.
@@dylancarney2625 you are speaking far ahead of time. You have no idea what arteta can accomplish in his career….
Gabriel over Van dijk and Arteta over Klopp is mental😂😂
Arteta just started managing, so comparing him to ANYONE who's been at the job for at least 10 years is pointless...... I agree on VvD being clear of Gabriel...... but I'm surely taking Saliba over VvD at the moment...... doesn't matter if VvD plays with different partner each game...... the reason Saliba is better right now, is because Saliba is great even in one-on-one challenges, that have nothing to do with your CB partner
@@LukasMatejka-du5hbin every single stat this season van djik is better than saliba. It’s not even close. Saliba is closer to Joel Matip than he is to van djik
Every single stat? Delusional i just had a look... And he beats van dijk in quite a few defensive stats... Saliba is miles ahead of Matip. Liverpool fans rattled at a 21 year old kid LMAO@@SopranoLFC
This season Saliba and Gabriel have been better than Van Dijk though..
@@SopranoLFCkeep waffling
Klopp inherited a better team than Arteta is one of the stupidest takes I’ve ever heard 😆
Crazy crazy statement from Cecil that 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Itms true? Arteta’s first team was championship level
@@connoroleary4761Have you seen the state of Liverpool’s starting XI when Klopp took over? Doesn’t sound like it. I’m an Arsenal fan but Liverpool when Klopp took over was actually a joke
@@connoroleary4761 the team Arteta inherited won the FA cup a few months later what are you talking about? The team Klopp took over was absolutely dire.
Just to add a bit of context….
Arteta inherited an Arsenal team that had just finished 5th with 70 points, his first 11 contained David Luiz, Granit Xhaka, Mesut Ozil, Aubameyang and Bukayo Saka. They’d finished runners up in the Europa League the season before and won the FA Cup the season he took charge.
Klopp inherited a Liverpool team that had finished with 62 points the season before. Coutinho was probably the standout player in his first 11.
It’s absolutely laughable to suggest Liverpool’s team was better 😆
Full teams on their first games are below:-
Arteta: Leno, Maitland-Niles, Sokratis, David Luiz, Saka, Torreira, Xhaka, Ozil, Nelson, Aubameyang, Lacazette
Klopp: Mignolet, Clyne, Sakho, Škrtel, Moreno, Lucas, Can, Coutinho, Lallana, Milner, Origi.
Robertson is levels above zincehnko, to even try put him forward as THE left back is insane
Wait but what about zinchenko talent for arranging huddles
@laurance506 zinchenko is a terrible defender and spends most his time in midfield so I’m not fussed
@laurance506I’m taking Tsimikas before I take Zinchenko man.
whoever said saka over salah is insane.
Every club would have Saka over Salah at the moment. Salah at the end of his career. Saka just started he can achieve much more.
@@KingKai2024 A proven player vs a project player and somehow a project player worth more??
u must be joking
@@schneeraizor7020 Saka is provenalready one of the best wingers around. Not only in the league but even in the World cup at his age. Salah proven and world class but you can see this season already he will only get worse where Saka can only get better
@@KingKai2024 Bukayo Saka : 8 goals from 24 games all comps.
Mo salah : 12 Goals in the league ALONE.
if u want to treat him like a superstar, he better have a superstar number.
there is no age tax on performance
@@schneeraizor7020 so we just taking goals to acount no assists for a winger. G+A Salah 16G+8A in 26games. Saka 8G +12A in 24 games. So similar numbers one plays in Europa League the other in the Champions league.Saka is not even in form this season and doing Salahs numbers at the age of 22. You said picking Saka over Salah is Insane! Where actually is close and anyone has the right to pick Saka over Salah at this moment.
I’m an Arsenal fan, and Cecil is delusional.
Van Dijk statistically has been the best centre back this season, Saliba has been Arsenals best centre back
what like when he got that record and countless errors leading to goal this season ?
Who, statistics show Van Dijk has been the best in the league.
@@cobracontent45 no the stats that show liverpool have the best defensive record itl
This was a difficult watch, trying to take both CBs when Liverpool has the best defensive record, and Virg has the best record of any defender, shows the bias and takes me out of the convo
Cecil tried but honestly, Lawrence steamrolled him. Turkish would be a better match up.
True, Lawrence has the facts and is great at pointing them out!
It’s all about being great at pointing your facts out. That’s how your win a debate.
@@cobbysparks9891 Exactly he is really good at that
Thanks for having me on guys! I really loved chatting with Cecil. We got on too well for a debate format!
Great to have you on mate, look forward to the next time!
Been a fan of both. I have question for you. Would you trade Saliba for VVD? I have to say right now they are pretty much similar but Saliba will get better with age, meanwhile VVD peaked.
LMcK, obnoxious man
Aftv is like a science fiction novel, whereas Lawrence Mckenna is all facts.
Why not argue more? how can you let him say Saliba is better than VVD and not argue more?
Wait why can't Saliba and VVD be a center back pairing? What is Cecil waffling about, Gabriel over VVD? foh
Saliba and VVD will never work if you really watch both the teams. Both are last mans who really don't go after forwards whereas gabriel is the aggressive one. Saliba is his cover and does more of the passes forward wherein gabriel sometimes goes into midfield when out of possession to press the forwards of the opp team.
@@ShubhamYadav-ll1epthis is a really dumb take…. Brilliant players like VVD and Saliba can fit into any system. Gabriel however would not work in any system because he’s not a world class player. Saliba can do pretty much everything his touch is immaculate, his stand up defending is superb. His great in the air! He would be unreal next to Van Dijk
The only difference between both clubs is Declan rice. I believe Arsenal can be just as vulnerable defensively with Zinchenko as Liverpool are with TAA.
Liverpool have a better GK and better attacking Quality than Arsenal.
If u hypothetically asked Arteta would u swap Jesus and Nketiah for Gakpo and Jota then he would do that no doubt.
Liverpool also have more goal scorers from midfield in Szoboszlai Mac Allister Gravenberch Jones and Elliot compared to Arsenal.
If we can hold on until January and sign Joao Palhinha then I really do think we have a bigger chance than Arsenal to win the league.
@@ShubhamYadav-ll1epok so if you can’t have it you pick VVD. Ppl saying Saliba is better are arsenal fans or football hipsters. Vvd is this season has been on another level to any cb itw
@@ShubhamYadav-ll1epSo u r saying if they were on the same national team the manager would drop one of them because it wouldn't work?
the arsenal fan thinks van dijk can’t play left centre back as if he hasn’t been there his whole career. He said “u put saliba in therefore u can’t put van dijk in cus that’s his spot”
Urrghh, Lawrence messed up during the amount of League Titles section. Arsenal have 13 league titles and Liverpool have 19!!! This whole "Liverpool have 1 premier league trophy" is infuriating. Football didn't start in 1992.
Spot on, was thinking exactly the same. Just cause they gave it a different name and changed a couple of small things about it doesn't cancel out Liverpools dominance of pre 1992 english football!
but that wasn't premier league
@@FOOTIATOR and? It was English footballs top flight.
@@FOOTIATOR So by that logic, Man Utd need to stop saying they have 20 titles, Arsenal need to stop saying they have 13 titles, and every OTHER major trophy win before 1992 - such as the European Cup, UEFA Cup and even the FA Cup - all need to be rescinded. How stupid does that sound? Extremely.
@@gsdrums47by this logic rivals uses. England never won the current rendition of the World Cup. They win the Jules Rimet trophy. Englands name is not even engraved on the current World Cup
This aged well, out of the FA and the League Cup hahaha
Saliba isn't a first choice France center back,he's played all season alongside Gabriel, who has been playing great..on the other hand,you have a Liverpool/Netherlands captain,back from injury to being back to his best,playing alongside 4 different central partners in the process, including a 20 year old Quansa,aswell as concentrating on his own game..VVD is simply the best,no doubt!
VVD has been average for like 2 seasons, he’s only coming back to his best now. Saliba not starting for France shows how many great centre backs they have and saliba is also one of the youngest, VVD wasn’t doing it like Saliba at the same age
He’s not first choice because deschamps is a clown
U will lose tmw
Saliba isn't starting for France, because he clearly doesn't have best relationship with Deschamps...... because in WHAT WORLD would you put muppets like Varane or Upamecano over Saliba, who is CLEARLY better individual CB than any of them :D
Saliba is first choice for France now. They played Greece and Gibraltar in the last international break, gave Saliba the Greece game rather than the 14-0 Gibraltar game
1. Saliba doesn’t start for France over Konate 🤷🏽♂️
2. Szoboszlai or MacAllister would start over Havertz
3. Arteta is a million miles away from Klopp
4. Liverpool will always be bigger than Arsenal because they are European royalty with Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, AC Milan, etc
5. A fully fit Arsenal is not beating a fully fit Man City no chance
@@laurance506 I'll probably take Martinelli and Rice for our Liverpool squad . Saka as Salah's backup.
@@laurance506 In that case, Partey doesn't get near this team. Played 5 matches this season
1.Saliba and Konate have similar amount of caps for France but caps for country dont mean much Giroud was playing ahead of Benzema. Saliba just started playing this year for France as they have lots of quality and more experience CB.
2. Not for Arsenal otherwise Arteta would try to buy them instead of Harvetz who was his first choice.
3. If you count there first 4 years in managenent pretty close.
4. Can be sure as things can change quickly look at City
5. We beat them this season and we should of won before where we dominated them most of the game. The games are getting tighter not 3,4 nils
Szoboszlai starts over ødegård mate
@@laurance506Szoboszlai is better than ødegård mate
If Real Madrid or Bayern Munich had the choice of Klopp or Arteta for their next manager neither are choosing Arteta ffs!
we’ll see
Arteta has had 1 good season in which he won nothing vs Klopp who has a whole career of success in many different leagues with different levels of clubs.. the arrogance is unreal @@wasabijones4571
😂😂😂
@@wasabijones4571 The German NT is still in the wait list for Klopp .... Even Alonso is a better manager compared to Arteta.
@@wasabijones4571 Wdym well see🤣🤣 Klopp is so clear of Arteta lol
Liverpool will win the Carabobbins this season so that's the end of the 'who will win silverware first' conversation
Favorites have bottled trophies all the time….
@@S0L12D3like Arsenal after spending most of the season 1st
They won’t because Pochettino’s sticky Blues will catch them out 😂
@@barry4649 you misspelt "stinky blues"
I was thinking that it’s an easy run for you guys from now…
They talk Liverpool bigger due to winning more in Europe. The arsenal fan talks about they have more premier leagues. He does know we have more league titles than them. Football did not start in 1992. We won more trophies than them.
liverpool are strong favourites for the carabao cup, the only other top team is chelsea who as we know are hit and miss so you’d have to say liverpool will win a trophy before arsenal
This Arsenal fan makes Rory Jennings look rational! Never have I seen anyone on A2D be so consistently wrong - and that's when I take it from an unbiased perspective! Get AFTV Robbie back!
P.S. Klopp's first Liverpool XI had Mignolet, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno, Allen and Jordan Ibe.
Arteta's first Arsenal XI had Leno, David Luiz, Saka, Ozil, Xhaka, Aubameyang and Lacazette.
see who started with a worse team Cecil
Come on Benteke >> Aubameyang, don't you know?
I feel they had similarly bad teams
Klopps team was defo worse compared to artetas
dont just look at the names bruv look at what happened to them, in the same season özil posted the uighurs tweet and arteta didnt play him at all, xhaka threw his shirt on the ground, saka was a young LB, David Luiz was a joke🤣
@@hboss7039no lol
Laurence hasn’t cut his hair since falling out with True Geordie
He grows his hair long because he is going to give (or sell) to the cancer patients after they lose their hair. Very admirable.
Did they fall out? Thought Lawrence stuck by him after his joke.
@@marimatsumoto372 is that true?
@@drumpros yes, it’s true. Just yesterday, he said that he is going to cut it and donate to whoever need hair for medical reason.
This man is Insane! Even Arteta would choose Klopp to be his manager!
How can he says that arsenal is bigger world wide than Liverpool. I have been almost to all Asian countries and man utd and Liverpool are everywhere. Arsenal almost unknown.
This was recorded either before the season started or shortly after. Im going off what has been said in the video. For what its worth as it stands, if all are fit and available for both sides i think the XI should be this:
Alisson
Trent
Saliba
VVD
Robbo
Rice
Odegard
Szoboslai
Saka
Salah
Diaz/Martinelli (very close)
@@KasiR1995 @KasiR1995 I said if all are fit and available but yes he's still injured. I didn't shift VVD for any particular reason and I don't agree with Saliba >VVD. Szobo and Odegard can definitely play together as a matter of fact I'm convinced he's the player that Arteta really should have signed (havertz isn't physical either but szobo is tenacious). Don't be ignorant with the Diaz comments because it's definitely close! I know what Klopp has said about Martinelli however I don't think he's a generational talent but a top class player. Admittedly, generational talent comments really need to be reserved for those who deserve it.
@@KasiR1995 That's fair enough and respectable, each to their own. Not that it matters, but I have had conversations about similar things with my mates who do support Arsenal and know ball. There's no bias there and havertz is simply not a physical player, I still disagree with Martinelli and Diaz and Saliba > VVD in the context of footballing ability. Diaz was also robbed of a wonderful finish at spurs and is capable of greatness but admittedly in smelly form.
@@OriginalNuttah93so what do you thinks Diaz brings to the table that martinelli doesn't?
@@jacobalexander4167 Diaz has similar attributes to Martinelli but Martinelli is far more expressive. For me, it's not really a question about what Diaz brings that Martinelli doesn't, I think most people see them as the same type of player as do I and that's why it's close. I'm a huge fan of Martinelli and i hope he makes it to the elite level with lots of trophies but it's only Arsenal fans that have him clear of Diaz. I just don't think it's as simple as that. Diaz is also a monster defensively but does concede a lot of fouls.
@@KasiR1995 wwhat do you mean shift VVD to LCB? that's where he plays lmao, also Tsimikas starts over any of your left back anyway if you dont want to include robbo
Klopp brought mainz back to Bundesliga. Brought dortmund to a champions league final. Made liverpool win premier league after 28 years and also win a champions league with them and also made liverpool a title contenders in every year.
So this was filmed before arsenal were knocked out of the league cup?
Nah for some reason they both think Middlesbrough will win the carabao Cup.
This Arsenal clown thinks they’re still in the league cup
Arsenal fans hate statics because its shows they don't know ball can't agrue either stats u can think a player is better because u love your club but stats = facts vvd is the measure stick of defenders the last few years
No prime vvd is the mark he is no longer even near his prime. But yeah let’s talk statistics as arsenal leads the league in clean sheets🤷♂️🤣🤣
@@s3precision750 Andre Onana has more clean sheets how is Arsenal leading in clean sheets exactly?
@@factsandworldknowledge2654I’m assuming he means clean sheets from Ramsdale and Raya combined? Rambo had a couple of clean sheets at the start of the season before Raya became starter. Idk but one thing is undeniable, arsenal have had the best defense in the league. Allowing the lowest xg against and have conceded the least amount of goals.
Edit: best defense in the league so far. It could change ofc as the season goes on
@@factsandworldknowledge2654 ??? ARSENAL have more clean sheets than United you muppet, Onana has more clean sheets because he's started every game. Ramsdale and Raya have both played this season, so the clean sheets are spread between them. You can't be that thick surely. It even tells you on your PL app that Arsenal have the most clean sheets 🤣
@@factsandworldknowledge2654 what you said just proves you try to avoid facts 😂😂😂
Alisson
Trent, Saliba, VVD, Robertson
Thiago, Rice, Odegaard
Salah, Nunez, Saka
There's an argument for Jesus over Nunez, and Szobo over Thiago, but everything else is nailed on imo
Szobo over thiago rn. Thiago's never fit and even if he was, right now he wouldn't be better than Szobo.
There is no way in the world that u just put NUNEZ over jesus and thiago who i never even see play bcs he is injured all the time over havertz right now. Lol the fact u said “there is a argument to put jesus in for nunez” loool common sense
@@Rpowbz123havertz was the laughing stock of the league a month ago. He’s scored a few goals since but he’s not that good.
I like him btw, but he’s not getting in a combined 11 yet, no way.
@@craigjohnson9605 but bro he has more goal contributions than szobo this year💀 so how is he not in the team😂
@@craigjohnson9605havertz has had three very key goals for arsenal this season including a goal that sent us at the top of the league int the 89th minute.
Cecil is rattled 😅
It is wild that an Arsenal fan will claim more dominance over Liverpool, both in the PL and in the CL
Liverpool is destroying Arsenal in terms of titles, More PL titles and well Arsenal has never even won the champions league,
now with Arsenal`s current team i think they`ll likely win a PL title in the very near future, but Arsenal have never been the side who wins and retains titles, not even Arsenal`s greatest ever team the "Invincibles." Managed to do that, United, Liverpool, Chelsea and City have all retained titles. In terms of being a more popular club worldwide, that is the only argument that Arsenal do have over Liverpool.
Arsenal has more fans than Bayern and Milan. Says a lot about how important over marketing/selling your club is. lol
Not a single sip was taken from those drinks 🤣
The first question aged badly for the arsenal fan 😂
I think I had a small stroke when I heard Klopp inherited a better squad than Arteta did. Can't believe those words were uttered
Its facts
Arsenal wasnt even a team back then
@@coolboy-cy4ku you keep telling yourself that buddy. Arsenal didn't have a good squad but Liverpool was overachieving if they finished top half, the squad was that bad
@@bendybfest good squad? They were 11th when arteta took over.
heck you on about..? liverpools squad was a joke bar sturridge and couthino .. i like the way you leave out the 600m+ euros that Artetas spent since hes been there - to win ONE mighty FA cup - with Emerys team... Arteta / Arsenal are bottlers.. all talk no substance...🍼🍼🍼🍼🍼🍼🍼@@coolboy-cy4ku
That’s the staggering fact. 20 years under Wenger and they only got three league titles. In the entire Premier League era they only have three.
2 months later and That Arsenal fan is so deluded. Firstly we won a trophy before they did already lol
In a starting 11, Arsenal would be lucky to get 2 maybe 3 players that’s it.
And Arteta over Klopp is braindead.
Arteta has just had 1 single title race with city and we cant even call it a title race as they had a 13 point lead dint even make it to the 90 point lead. While Klopp has been to 4Ucl times just unlucky in the finals. Hes pushed Mancity probably the best Prem side with 97-99 points a season and producing Legends like. Lewandowski, Matt Hummels, Salah, Mane and Virgil Vandijkl
Wow would never imagine this cross over of AFTV vs the Kickoff 😅
No longer the kick off. He does his own thing now
Just some facts..
Liverpool has amassed the most points in the Premier League era up until the 2022/23 season. According to statistics from the Premier League, Liverpool has collected 2,441 points, while Arsenal has collected 2,274 points. This makes Liverpool the team with the most points in the Premier League era.
anyone who’s watched 5+ liverpool and arsenal games this season will say van dijk has been better than saliba, last season it was definitely saliba but van dijk is now 100% over his injury. The only mistake he’s made is the penalty against newcastle whereas saliba there’s 3/4 i can name off the top of my head
I can't name any from saliba...
@@chunkcache he conceded a penalty, he past back to the keeper which gave a top chance to the other team, he’s made a lot more fouls than van dijk which is proof he’s a worse defender cus if he didn’t foul them he’d of been dribbled past losing that stat and probably contributing to conceding a goal
@@timmy5876that's a lie and you know it, according to whoscored saliba makes 0.5 fouls in the prem and 0.7 in the UCL, while VVD makes 1 foul per game in the Europa and 0.6 in the orem, which means he makes more foul on an average than saliba
I love the start from Laurance about Cecil comment over achieving Champions League "I don't understand your mentality" well that's because Cecil don't really have a proper one, he just want to be happy, he wants to be driven by PR bs from our club. Instead of expecting what's best from his team after spending over 700mil in 4 years 👍 You'd have to meet proper Gunner Laurence to have a reasonable chat tbh
Proper gunner like who?
Why do you people always lie about the amount of money spent? Also it isn't even that much of a net spend in his time. United and Chelsea have spent far more. Last summer Spurs spent more money than us...
@@shettynischith77I’m not a gunner but if I was I would rather anyone else than him.Either that or they are all idiots
560 million they have spent. Where are you getting 700 from?
@@Gooner184 and Man City spent more than Arsenal going in to this season
Good to see Laurence again, haven’t seen him in ages
Thanks mate!
Honoured to be ask to feature on this channel, huge game tomorrow! Proper good chat with Laurence 😊❤
Pleasure to have you, we look forward to getting you back on!
You genuinely don't know what you're talking about.
Klopp inherited a better team? 😂😂😂😂
Good video, and like all fans should you’ve backed your club… but you’ve made yourself look a bit of a tit here 🤦
Deluded bloke
Guys a mug 😂 with no football knowledge why was he asked in 😂😂
Cecil is still traumatized from last season
Alisson
Trent
Van Dijk
Saliba
Robertson
Rice
Odegaard
Szobo
Salah
Jota
Martinelli
Can’t argue with that debatable Jesus over Jota but remember who made Arsenals defence dance👀
Van dijk over Saliba
Konate over Gabrielle
Klopp over arteta
And Liverpool are 20 MAJOR trophies ahead of arsenal so its not even a debate who's the bigger club 😂
Deluded fanbase
Arsenal fans watching this after the caraboa cup 💀
Watch your thoughts, they become your words. Watch your words, they become your actions. Watch your actions, they become your destiny!
Arteta over Klopp is some of the craziest shit I've ever heard. Ever.
Liverpool fan was far too weak in this. A proper scouser would make a stronger argument. VVD is a level above Saliba. Sobo is 10 times the midfielder that Partey is and Luis Diaz is ahead of Martinelli. How is Arteta even close to Klopp as a manager? Arsenal fans were begging for him to get the sack less than 2 years ago. Arsenal are not even close to Liverpool as far as club size is either
Well said lad
It's quite obvious you don't know ball, what does Diaz offer that martinelli can't? Martinelli has more goals and assists than Diaz since Diaz has been in the prem
@@jacobalexander4167 you lost all credibility when you used the phrase "you don't know ball". Bore off
@@ChrisPhonics84so not answering my question is you defense mechanism, typical, rants with no facts to back it up
@@jacobalexander4167 no. I don't need one. I don't need to defend an opinion with someone who isn't a football person
Did football begin in 1992, Liverpool have 19 league titles
Cecil is deluded. Arteta is nowhere near surpassing Klopp. Also that Klopp team was horrible! Arteta had loads of decent players.
Hard watch this
1. VVD has been better then Saliba and Liverpool have the best defence record this season
2. Klopp will always be a better manager then Arteta
3. Liverpool have 19 league titles and 6 champions leagues to Arsenals 13 league titles and 0 champions leagues so Liverpool will always be a bigger club
4. Arsenal couldn’t even beat Liverpool in the last game when they had no Salah, Szo, VVD and Robertson , so Arsenal can’t beat every team
Man said artea over klopp🤦♀️😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Really enjoying Laurence coming a bit more back onto other channels recently
Van dijk is miles ahead of saliba...I saw saliba kick the ball out for a corner with no pressure...and this ain't even the best version of van dijk as well.
I literally saw van dijk do this exact same thing😂 my brothers a Liverpool fan and was in shock that vvd would kick it out, passed his prime.
Saliba is better at controlling the ball and getting out of tight situations than van dijk. He's so composed while van dijk is like a tank
Bro is in denial. Virgil hasn't been what you think he is since 2020
@franklingoodwin I've said that...van dijk isn't as good as pre 2020...but he is still on par or better now. For stats merchant, van dijk is better and even to the eye, he is good providing liverpool (due to their own failing) haven't got a proper no 6...whereas saliba has rice in front
I've seen Allison save VVD mistakes times and times again, so what's your point?
When talking about Partey, he said that he is not playing rn.. But how about Andy Robertson, he is not playing either right?
Alisson, Trent, VVD, Robbo, Szobo, Salah, Nunez all start for Arsenal. Trying to force Partey in there like Rice hasn’t made that DM position his own is just shameless. Diaz and Martinelli also aren’t far apart, that could go either way.
Partey is a much better DM than Rice, that's a fair shout
Trent, Nunez and Szobo do not start for us wtf are you talking about? Trent would make us worse defensively. Nunez can't finish his dinner I'd rather have everything else Jesus brings to the team than whatever the fuck Nunez has. And szobo? He wouldn't even get in over Havertz atm never mind a fully fit Partey who was playing in the DM spot with rice in the Havertz position. Same amount of games played as Havertz less goals and one more assist.
@@bri1085 I don’t agree and most Arsenal fans would prefer Rice over Partey in the 6.
@@eejit199 I look at Liverpool’s squad and I’d take Saliba over Konate, Rice as our DM, Odegaard over Macallister, and Martinelli over Diaz maybe. Havertz gets nowhere near, White is nowhere near, Jesus is nowhere near. The argument can go both ways. Arsenal fans favor recency bias too much, “atm” NO, since the beginning of the season Szobo has been a revelation and one of the best signings of the season. Havertz has had one or two good months at most. If you get Szobo in your midfield then you can accommodate for Trent but either way Szobo makes the team. Jesus is too injury prone and not clinical, Nunez still scores more and his movement is elite.
@@r.i.psteez929 Jesus nowhere near? He cooks every team he plays and even if you make the argument that jesus isn't good because he's a striker and cannot score goals i could say the same for nunez as well? What does nunez have over jesus? Jesus is a better dribbler, passer, and has better control over the ball. Nunez is only faster than him and that's it.
Real Madrid wanted Mikel Arteta? That lad is mental
Good to see Laurence getting some flowers!
He's a chalk & cheese person, you either love him or hate him, i don"t mind him haha
1:08 “it’s either an FA cup or a league cup…” 🤭
Aged like Milk for Arsenal
Arteta has spent not far off what klopp has this tenure now at arsenal than klopp has the whole 8 years hes been in at Liverpool, the only reason there even at the table
Great to see Laurence back in this type of content
Is it? The guys still as much of an obnoxious twot as I last saw him.
@@michaelcox545 couldnt have said it better , his true colours will show
The Liverpool fan is bang on when he said that Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Ljungberg, Vieira etc. couldn’t get the champions league over the line for Arsenal, but players like Baros, Traore, Hamann, Smicer etc. won the champions league for Liverpool 🙈🙈 that’s one of many reasons why they’ll always be a bigger club than Arsenal… and I hate Liverpool, I’m a City fan 🤣
Never thought I’d see a Eder Militao vs Jesus debate on ladbible…
Well done for going gentle with him Lawrence, poor lad just wasnt up to it
Can we get Laurence and True Geordie back as a team again...
No. All of those who left True Geordie are doing better. The Club gets more live viewers than Brian
@@franklingoodwin uhm didnt ask for the club members. Just True Geordie and Lawrence
@@HarshJShah I'm just saying he doesn't need True Geordie. There's a reason he and the others left...
@@franklingoodwinbecause they’re snakes. The True Geordie’s show is a lot better now imo without them because it’s nowhere near as toxic and tribal and the likes of Joey Knight is a way better representative of Chelsea than Rory Jennings. I don’t know about Lawrence though, he might’ve just chosen to pursue a career in directing or just do his own channel whilst raising his kids or something
@@barry4649 "Snakes" lol. You sound like a fanboy. Are you gonna act like Laurence and Adam McKola didn't have good reason to leave? And Laurence really didn't want to leave, but Brian kind of put in him in that position. Oh, you're a Chelsea fan. I understand now, you lot always defend people saying racist sh*t
This is strangely wholesome debate, unlike last year version.
All this chat just for City to go on a 20-match winning streak and win the league.
Then get docked 20 points and finish 15th 😂.
@@lfcgero35 That’s not going to happen and you know it.
@@Faren_ if everton got deducted 10 points for breaking one rule and city have supposedly broken 115 rules what do you reckon will happen. Do you think they will be innocent on all 115 charges. You know they only have to be guilty once for a deduction plus this is over many years too.
@@lfcgero35 City are a much bigger club with infinitely more money. They’ll hire the best lawyers money can buy and get out of it. I don’t know whether they’re actually guilty or not but I doubt they’ll actually get charged.
@@Faren_ i wouldnt bet on it pal thats one of the reasons city are off it this season. Its definitely in the back of the players minds and peps mind too.
You do realise why the premier league are doing this right. Its due to UEFA putting pressure on all the european leagues to get all their clubs financially stable and following the financial rules.
Both FIFA and UEFA are trying to clean up their image after massive corruption over the years and due to pressure from the US and EU to do so.
The premier league even added more stringent rules than UEFA just recently. Its not just city liverpool were in trouble too for the one season they werent in europe. Roma , inter , juve , sporting lisbon , chelsea , arsenal , monaco , besiktas and many more all had charges against them and all over the last 5 years too.
I like how most of the video is Cecil trying his hardest to find an answer and then Lawrence then swoops in and puts the facts straight whilst being respectful to some opinions to arsenal
Great to see William Saliba on LadBible
More like Eder Militao lmao 🤣😂
@@vineetposani97 oh shit yeah😂😂😂
Or Gabrielle 😂😂
That’s Eder bro
U see 2.0 easy for Liverpool
arteta over klopp is ridiculous
Even as a city fan arteta over klopp come on 😂😂
Klopp and arteta > pep
tbf u cant talk about fitness when robertson wasnt available but u still had him in
When VVD was 24 he was playing in Scotland. Saliba is 22 and is playing in the most competitive league in the world and is a full international for France! it's not even CLOSE!
u aare a clown
You're mad.
You got jokes!
That's the same argument these Arsenal clowns have for Saka and Salah.
Where was Drogba, Mane, Salah, Alisson, Mahrez, Ribery, Pires, Vardy at 22? The "where was he at this age" argument is for clowns.
A French international that's benched by Konate.
when was this recorded?? Arsenal have been out the League Cup for 2 months!
Does he know Arsenal were knocked out of the league cup😅
This is an amazing & beautiful indicator of the TRUE delusion of Arsenal fans.. ❤
Arsenal are out of the league cup 😂
wtf was this filmed?
i can't believe laurence agreed on the midfield
people say arteta will pass klopps legacy as a manager in the prem which is probably true just down to the fact that arteta won’t be against pep in a couple of years. Football fans in general feel like klopp and pep will leave their clubs in 2/3 seasons so arteta might come up against managers of a much lower standard. If this liverpool team played in any other prem era they’d have won atleast 3 maybe even more prem titles, arteta could win 3 in the coming years as he’s very young and surpass klopps legavy statistically but we know deep down if he was against the man city of recent years he wouldn’t of won those leagues cus there only 1/2 teams in history better than this city team in my opinion
Why is Bray Wyatt on here talking about Liverpool?
That Nunez chat aged well 😅
He's hasn't been that bad. He's had an average season. Diaz has been worse.
@@TheStickyDynamiteidiot Both have been a lot better than average this season and before
@@НикиДимитров25 Diaz has 3 goals this season in 16 appearances mate what are you on?
@@TheStickyDynamitewhich is still more goals than Martinelli funny enough.
@@bri1085 i didn't know that. that's surprising.
If you're watching this today, same day as I am. You'll know that the Arsenal is clinically insane.
Cecil is shameless 🤣🤣🤣🤣
2:30 bro he’s crazy. Never discount LaLiga teams in the UCL.
Saliba nowhere near vvd 😂😂
Love these, but they need to come out quicker and closer to filming. Can tell this was filmed early in season so their opinions/debates was skewed early season form, and it changes quickly (ie. Man City form dip, Havertz come to form, etc) …. Great format though.
All of this for city to win the league 🤣🤣
Loz will win most of these debates or at the least come out looking intelligent because he actually presents facts. He makes some proper good videos breaking down every Liverpool game.
Debates with Arsenal fans are so pointless. Just in it for memes u get out of them as no one takes it serious.
I’ll come back after saturdays game😂 I honestly can’t wait to see my brothers face when his Liverpool team get smacked by arsenal at anfield😂😂😂😂
@@s3precision750 me too man I can't wait, I'm confident my arsenal will punish liverpool, they are too weak in the midfield compared to us and that will win us the game coyg
How's that title challenge going 11 days later?
Lawrence talking about shameless looking like frank from shameless
This Arsenal fan 😂😂🤦 literally every question he made himself look like a tit…
VVD is miles ahead of Saliba, and then putting Gabriel ahead of VVD… this guy is high.
Saying they will win a cup first when they’re already out of the EFL and Liverpool are in the semis… and are also in the Europa league which they have a good chance of winning.
Picking Arteta over Klopp speaks for itself 🤦
And man for man.
Allison
Trent
Vvd
Saliba
Robbo
Rice
Szobo
Odegaard
Salah
Jota
Martinelli
7-4
I’d take Luis Diaz over Martinelli and Nunez over Jota
@@barry4649 usually I’d say the same, but Diaz hasn’t been himself this season, and Jota scores more goals.
@@jaywaters307 fair
Back after Liverpool took the league Cup
Arsenal fan already lost the first debate
Cecil talking about Saliba: right now he is the best…
Cecil when talking about Partey: when fully fit…
I would’ve pounced on that. You cannot have it both ways. It’s either on form or fully fit.
Liverpool fans are in such denial about Saliba and it's all based on vvd nostalgia. Saliba is literally a better defender. Period.
Klopp is the quickest manager in England to win both the league and Champions league.
He was the closest manager to getting a quadruple.
It's too hard to compare Arteta to Klopp. One has so much more experience and done it all, the other is only just getting started. Not a fair comparison.