To further add to the confusion.. The "flickery" nature of the objects is an artifact of the frame rate itself and not the frame rate conversion. The objects should still move in a "constant" manner when frame rate conversion can be done evenly (120hz, 144hz, etc....). The effect of playing this on a display set to 60 or 30hz is that you'll see an occasional "jitter", that is separate from the flickery visuals. On 120hz displays that support additional processing (such as Sony's MotionFlow), the flickery nature can be mostly eliminated, resulting in an extremely smooth visual (no jitter or flickery objects).
Thanks for clarifying, I was going insane trying to figure out a way to fix judder on my tv and thought the flickering was part of it. Changing MotionFlow settings from ClearPlus to Smooth finally fixed it :)
Aye, having to replay the vid is a minor inconvenience. Could always just download the thing and play it locally, but I'm a tad too lazy for that haha. EDIT: Oh right YT has a loop function. Facepalm.
I don't get the hate, Motion Smoothing makes most content, movies or not, look way better. Looks like it's a more complete film, not juddery, I don't get the hate. I have noticed some issues when it's all the way up, but at around 75% everything looks way better and more professional to me. I am the minority I guess
This test is more for movies and tv than monitor since they run at 24fps roughly, i would use a different test if for gaming since the motion rates will probably be different
This video helped understand the problem, but I still can't solve it. Either the small ball looks deformed or the squares look vibrating depending on the settings I use :/
Nothing but buy a 120 Hz monitor. It's called "judder", ireggularity in frame intervals because there is no perfect method to conform 24 to 60. That's why I so "love" that cinematic trend on RUclips.
Lol you are a 30/60fps video evangelist. Kudos to you bro, someone needs to call out the "Experts" (Emperor's old clothes) bad 24fps "Cinematic Look" advice. Juddery/Jittery video will NEVER look "Cinematic" 🤣👍
Also, many unconscious EU Vloggers don't appear understand the old 25fps CRT Television is gone and folks in the modern EU are no longer synced to the 50Hz power system.
+diman Lol you are a 30/60fps video evangelist. Kudos to you bro, someone needs to call out the "Experts" (Emperor's old clothes) bad 24fps "Cinematic Look" advice. Hopefully +Philip Hatfield will realize that ALL of his Juddery/Jittery 24fps video will NEVER look "Cinematic" even after his own demonstration to himself... 🤣👍
You don't understand what is going on here. That 24hz video looks bad because you're watching it on a 60hz app with an uneven conversion rate. If it was native 24hz it would look smooth.
60Hz app? LOL, you mean RUclips? Yes, 24fps video ALWAYS looks juddery on RUclips unless the monitor and GPU are set to 120fps where the math works out, or the Monitor/GPU combination is capable of variable frame-rate which is uncommon and costly btw. Streaming services like NetFlix and other mainstream services usually employ some form of 3:2 pulldown do give the 24fps source a bit smoother appearance on world-standard 30/60fps monitors. BTW, what is an "uneven conversion rate" you speak of?
@@1dir951 Hey, I'm not trying to make a claim that 24fps is better or worse, I just wanted to see if my devices could play a 24fps video without judder or not, so I made this video myself (so I could be 100% sure that it was 24fps and encoded properly). From my own testing, this video played smoothly when loaded on a USB drive on my TV, but playing it from the RUclips app was juddery. Anecdotally, it plays smoothly on a 120hz iPad Pro as well, which actually surprised me a bit. I figured that even with the iPad's screen refreshing at a multiple of 24, I thought RUclips would have trouble adapting.
Still a really useful test today, it really demonstrates all the errors created by the "judder reduction" option in new TVs.
Right click anywhere in the video. Select loop. Useful for testing equipment. Don't forget to uncheck when done ;-)
To further add to the confusion.. The "flickery" nature of the objects is an artifact of the frame rate itself and not the frame rate conversion. The objects should still move in a "constant" manner when frame rate conversion can be done evenly (120hz, 144hz, etc....). The effect of playing this on a display set to 60 or 30hz is that you'll see an occasional "jitter", that is separate from the flickery visuals. On 120hz displays that support additional processing (such as Sony's MotionFlow), the flickery nature can be mostly eliminated, resulting in an extremely smooth visual (no jitter or flickery objects).
Thanks for clarifying, I was going insane trying to figure out a way to fix judder on my tv and thought the flickering was part of it. Changing MotionFlow settings from ClearPlus to Smooth finally fixed it :)
Sony's latest tvs like X90L don't solve this issue. It flickers like hell in this video.
I tested the MEMC feature of my phone using this video and it works really well.
This is the best test! Thank you! The only thing id change.would be making it longer. 5-10 minutes?
Aye, having to replay the vid is a minor inconvenience. Could always just download the thing and play it locally, but I'm a tad too lazy for that haha.
EDIT: Oh right YT has a loop function. Facepalm.
Super useful test!! Thanks broski :)
This is 24 FPS, not 23.98 (23.976) FPS which is the broadcast standard that you'll find most 24 FPS content actually rendering at.
Why so complicated :(
I don't get the hate, Motion Smoothing makes most content, movies or not, look way better. Looks like it's a more complete film, not juddery, I don't get the hate. I have noticed some issues when it's all the way up, but at around 75% everything looks way better and more professional to me. I am the minority I guess
I watch this video everytime I go back to fidelity mode on the PS5. 😂
may samsung q9fn fails with motion artefacts around the small circle
Using a qn94a here, setting the option "Judder reduction" above 3 turns the small circle into a artifacted mess.
120hz monitor still jumpy animation.... is this bugged or what ?? first seaing so called judder on my monitor.
This test is more for movies and tv than monitor since they run at 24fps roughly, i would use a different test if for gaming since the motion rates will probably be different
if there is no interpolation, it will look "jumpy" even on 120hz monitors, because 24 fps are displayed - it's nature of "sample and hold" displays
This video helped understand the problem, but I still can't solve it. Either the small ball looks deformed or the squares look vibrating depending on the settings I use :/
Same case trying to solve on samsung q70
@@GotEverything. If you find something, tell me, but I don't think there is a solution
If you play this at 2x the speed, it'll be 48 fps lol
I'm experiencing this on my computer monitor at 60 HZ. What can I do to fix it?
Nothing but buy a 120 Hz monitor. It's called "judder", ireggularity in frame intervals because there is no perfect method to conform 24 to 60. That's why I so "love" that cinematic trend on RUclips.
Lol you are a 30/60fps video evangelist. Kudos to you bro, someone needs to call out the "Experts" (Emperor's old clothes) bad 24fps "Cinematic Look" advice. Juddery/Jittery video will NEVER look "Cinematic" 🤣👍
Also, many unconscious EU Vloggers don't appear understand the old 25fps CRT Television is gone and folks in the modern EU are no longer synced to the 50Hz power system.
@@diman4010 i have 144hz one, changed 3 monitors to get rid of this effect and seems like every monitor has this problem ;/
+diman Lol you are a 30/60fps video evangelist. Kudos to you bro, someone needs to call out the "Experts" (Emperor's old clothes) bad 24fps "Cinematic Look" advice. Hopefully +Philip Hatfield will realize that ALL of his Juddery/Jittery 24fps video will NEVER look "Cinematic" even after his own demonstration to himself... 🤣👍
You don't understand what is going on here. That 24hz video looks bad because you're watching it on a 60hz app with an uneven conversion rate. If it was native 24hz it would look smooth.
60Hz app? LOL, you mean RUclips? Yes, 24fps video ALWAYS looks juddery on RUclips unless the monitor and GPU are set to 120fps where the math works out, or the Monitor/GPU combination is capable of variable frame-rate which is uncommon and costly btw. Streaming services like NetFlix and other mainstream services usually employ some form of 3:2 pulldown do give the 24fps source a bit smoother appearance on world-standard 30/60fps monitors. BTW, what is an "uneven conversion rate" you speak of?
@@1dir951 Hey, I'm not trying to make a claim that 24fps is better or worse, I just wanted to see if my devices could play a 24fps video without judder or not, so I made this video myself (so I could be 100% sure that it was 24fps and encoded properly). From my own testing, this video played smoothly when loaded on a USB drive on my TV, but playing it from the RUclips app was juddery. Anecdotally, it plays smoothly on a 120hz iPad Pro as well, which actually surprised me a bit. I figured that even with the iPad's screen refreshing at a multiple of 24, I thought RUclips would have trouble adapting.
@@philiphatfieldartist Gotcha... Sounds like your TV has auto framerate, and 24fps divides evenly into 120fps. Good test anyway... ;)
1dir Thanks! I’m so glad some people have found it useful :)
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