EU4 Estates Guide For Beginners
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- An EU4 Estates Guide that explains in depth how to handle your estates. This is what Competitive EU4 Players use in their games and what the current EU4 Estates Meta is
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The clergy in orthodox nations also has a privilege that gives you 0.5 yearly patriarch authority
>pro Player
>exploit this mechanic of selling 10% of land with only 0,19% land
truly a eu4 player
indeed
There's pro players that don't exploit? WHERE!?
It was fixed in 1.33
Who needs social life when someone has the possibility to play a complex version of paint. 😛
Exactly
You mean GIMP?
Who needs parents when you have a 6/6/6 heir
Do what you love peeps
@@plusxz821 ask the hunting party 🙃
Ludi, keep up the tempo, it's amazing seeing such a quality content every two days!
Thanks, will do!
Just don't burn out ludi. Would hate to see that!
This is an outstanding guide for one of the mechanics new players seem to have the hardest time figuring out. It's not a difficult or complex mechanic to learn, but it's definitely overwhelming at first glance. Linking this to anyone who asks me how to estate.
Thanks for the kind words Jay, glad you liked it!
In my humble 5k hours opinion Supremecy over the crown is the most important privilage after Mana. It will grant you higher equilibrion from all estates and also higher frequence of diets making it easier to boost loyalty.
It doesn't make diets more frequent, it at most means you don't need to track the cooldown. OTOH it keeps you from timing the diet to suit your situation which combined with a bed set of missions can leave you worse off than no diet.
@@brianbates212 It actually does make it more frequent, the event is completely independant from the button's cooldown. It can't pop when you have an active mission, but if you do your button's mission fast, you can get a diet right after despite the apparent cooldown.
I'm a beginner, I don't understand what the point of raising loyalty is if you're also increasing influence. Is there some mechanic to decrease influence as well, or do you just sort of live with the influence you've dealt out?
@@hadhamalnamyou can raise loyalty in many ways, same with influence. This can be done via random events, estate interactions, the diet, etc. Influence represents how much control over your society each estate has, their loyalty is how much they'd rather listen to you than do what they want. If they control more than they are loyal, they will no listen to you and you would be stuck with the privileges until you can get your loyalty higher than the influence. Its all about balancing their power and the benefits they give you.
In my opinon cycling the 3 mercantilism burgher privilage makes more sense than the prestige one,but it's your choice afterall.
Both are good tbh
You need the prestige to disinherit shit heirs, especially in vanilla where it cost -50
@@hkl2007 Yeah mb, i didn't consider playing without dlcs. The tactic that i've been using is to fund greater and greater wars from the advantage u get from having higher mercantilism. This also means more prestige from the increased ammount of wars. :)
(ofc i still use the prestige privilage alondside the mercantilism one ,but choose to cycle the 2nd.)
@@ordogannicus7102 I don't see how DLC would affect that. Sometimes you have to disinherit alot of shit heirs you know. Doubt DLC changes this.
@@hkl2007 disinheriting heirs is a DLC though
How did you sell 10% of crown lands you didn't own? My game won't let me do that. Also I start with 30%. I think there's been a patch
Yeah this is a fairly old build and it was fixed, if you want to watch a good example of how you should setup estates in 1.33 check his France video on 1.33 he explains estates well, but basically now instead of selling land you give the "indebted to the bourgeoisie" privilege to the bourgeoisie wich will give you a few loans.
This is already outdated with 1.33, this needs a new video
Which part?
this dont work anymore if u do the beginning steps u can not sale of titles its greyed out
I agree with this all in every situation, apart from for the timurids, they cannot have the +100% development debuff otherwise your vassals will all rebel. Once you annex 2or3 of your vassals you then give away your crown land as they will not have the liberty desire anymore
Going thru a new Timmy campaign rn. Gave away the lands but went to war with Ajam at the start, as u can take like 3/4 of Ajam cuz u have full cores on all of Ajam, u gain enough dev yo keep them all loyal. Sometimes Transoxiana does become rebellious but then its a matter of waiting a few more years and annexing other vassals or starting another war.
@@BlueSky-eg5lc You can always dev them a little since you have cores for 100% free eat
@@BlueSky-eg5lc You need to do that as well, but you also cannot give out privileges till you kill ajam, then you do it and you are fine as if you get unlucky you are down bad
Timurid's problem is that their vassals have too much strength, which is a different LD modifier from the LD due to subject dev. The +100% LD from dev actually does very little, and all you have to do is get one vassal loyal to let you instantly annex it and make all the others loyal.
@@desen6486 It only matters for transoxania, if they are loyal the other 3 will be.(sieze sistans land and unvassalize them) But i always try and annex 3 of them at once since youll only get the debuff once.
11:30 the crownland you gain actually depends on how much influence each estate's got (at least that's what eu4 wiki states)
Yup yup yup, this is true.. If you have very high crownlands and or very high influence you'll typically lose crownlands through conquest
So for first couple years as an opm it might be worth it to keep minimal influence of estates to gain much crownland (amount gained from conquest depends on conquered development relative to pre-conquest development)
@@ryszardmaciek4240 as an OPM I'd not care about Crownlands at all and give it all away since your capital has 0 autonomy
@@ryszardmaciek4240 the benefits of high influence (manpower, taxes, trade) is too powerful to consider keeping influence below 60%
Nice! I still understand nothing. I wish EU4 was real.
I agree with everything except the Initial Crownland strategy that you always do. I´ve always felt it too gamey and not really realistic from the point of running a nation. How much property in Lands was a big way of measuring the power of a monarch in its kingdom, at least I feel. and If you literally give away all of your possessions for temporal ducats to the estates, then the estates naturally should feel stronger than you. Thats why selling crown lands should increase influence, not loyalty, since the estates get more powerful, not more loyal. After all they have more lands, more tax revenue, more serfs from where to pull soldiers from. Why should they follow the orders of a so called king that owns pretty much nothing? I would replace the Estate Stuatory event that really does not solve the issue at hand since its so easy to negate the penalties from low crownlands, and straight up make having less than 10% of crownlands a trigger for a disaster, like a civil war or some such. Relinquishing all of your material power should not be a easy debuff to bear for 15 years.
bruh, he is litterally just showing what is most effective and not giving a rats ass to roleplay
I agree, this feels as exploitative as guaranteeing countries to keep them from joining coalitions. Something the devs should also change.
any permanent 0% crownland enjoyers in chat
The real MVPs of MP Kappa
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Looks like Paradox fixed this exploit
thank you sm bro I kept clicking random things and wondering why I was losing so much money, total life saver
Glad I could help
As a newbie, once you figure out that you can get mana from estates and how to do it (as well as the indebted to Burgher loans), the game gets very easy on Single Player. I saw a noticeable downgrade in difficulty once I figured the Estates out. I usually win wars and I am typically ahead in the tech race against the AI now. It has made the game easy.
Any ideas how to 1v1 Aragon as Navarra? Or Moscow and all their vassals as a Kazan
@@lesnoyelf228 Never played either but Kazan can get allies like Uzbeks, Great Horde, Nogai, etc. to help them. Navarra seems near impossible. Maybe Ally with Castile against Aragon? Iberian Wedding may mess that one up though.
@@lesnoyelf228 You don't 1v1 in eu4. You need to quickly find allies and they will help you in those wars against large countries. With Navarra, you should try and go for an alliance with a French or Italian nation. A good tip for finding allies is to look for nations that have rivaled whoever you're trying to go to war with, whether that be Castile or Aragon. If you rival your opponent, you will recieve a relation boost with countries who also rival them. You can also take the Religious Diplomats privilege from the Clergy, and this will give +25 relations from countries who have the same religion. This combo should boost your relations enough to secure alliances, and this will make wars much easier. When in wars, do your best to avoid attrition and take battles that you know you can win. As a small nation also, don't be afraid to take loans to buy mercenaries to secure early leads in wars. Keep them around as little as possible, but taking lots of money in peace deals against big countries will help you pay off the loans quickly, and you can essentially fuel early expansion on the effectively infinite money that loans provide.
Great explanation Lu🅱️i, it genuinely inspired me to play eu4 again and play a more professional play 👍
Glad to hear it!
Lu🅱️i lol
I was like what is castle privileges? Why are they important..? And then the third time he was like CANCEL privileges...ooohhhh
So I tried a game of meddling with my estates after watching this. The biggest problem that I ran into was income. Setting privileges and selling crownland seems to reduce taxes quite a bit, and my manpower kept decreasing for some reason. I was forced to reduce my army and navy sizes to prevent negative income, even after I conquered land. Any tips?
i think the exploit has been patched
Aka the opening moves guide for every new play through in 1.31
Thank you for this video! I appreciate your explanation around the monopolies. I noticed immediately when you stopped recommending them and always wondered why. I still really like to use them, as I love merchantalism and the opinion increase with no influence increase. Often I use them early on to keep opinion up to allow seizure of crown lands every 5 years exactly. Once I have CL very high, I drop them.
Glad I could shed some light on things Andrew!
Gang Lords were too much
I'm just curious, when did they make this change? The original annoying bullshit they did was where i had to go thru all my fucking territories and assign them which instead of this system y ou're showing off. Honestly it left such a bad taste in my mouth I just quit playing EUIV but I'm looking at some newer videos and seeing this new system. How long has this been implemented?
why my crownlands stand at 25% non stop even if I seize lands from estates?
After 200hour I just found there is a scroll for estate privileges
Can you make one for 1.33?
this video was clearly made by nobles, merchants, and or clergymen. You wont stop me from lowering the estate influence endlessly. absolute monarchies require absolute rule!- hey, whats this about a revolution-
Whoa, never heard him pronounce ‘absolutism’ correctly haha! Love the vids, Ludi! Couldn’t play this game without your guides.
Glad to hear it!
Having only played ck2, this looks like some seriously convoluted shit
While its probably in my interest to engage with the Estates and manage them well, I've hated the Estates mechanic ever since it was introduced. Having loyal, influential estates will give me powerful bonuses? Well, you can take my land from my cold, dead hands. L'etat c'est moi!
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Crownland gain from conquering provinces is incorrect. The previous owner's crownland is irrelevant, what matters are: how much influence your estates have, how much absolutism you have, your current crownland, your added development, and your total development. Your equilibrium Crownland is (60 + absolutism)/(60 + absolutism + total estate influence), and every province you annex brings you closer to that equilibrium by (equilibrium - current crownland) * (development added / total new development). Thus the further you are from your equilibrium, the more you gain/lose when you annex development.
This formula also determines the equilibrium for your estates: Their equilibrium is (their influence) / (60 + absolutism + total estate influence). So in your peace deal, the Bourgeoisie had moderate influence but little land, so they gained some land. The nobility had a ton of land, and moderate influence, so they lost substantial land. The clergy had a little bit too much land, so they lost a little. You had almost no land, so you gained a fair amount.
E.G.: if you had 100 dev, 0 absolutism, 0 crownland, and total estate influence of 120%, and added 100 dev, your equilibrium crownland is (60 / 180 = 33.33%), and your new crownland is (60/180 - 0) * (100 / 200) = 30/180 = 16.67%, since you just gained half your total development (100/200).
I have over 100 hours in eu4 i had no idea about estates
Just .... too much of a pain.
I never knew how this thing work. I always get scared when my crownland get below 30%. I thought the other estates will start a coup lol
little mistake, after seize land you get 30%, not 20% as you said 🙃
dimmi get only 7,5% not 10% tech reduction
Is that up to date?
The dev trick doesnt work, they added 10% requirement to sell land :(
Very informative video. The only thing left out was estate disasters and how to prevent/deal with them and it would be the ultimate estates guide ;)
True, can cover those in another video or short!
Ludi being ludi
I know right :D
@@LudietHistoria yes i know
Side title: Luidi crushes estate statuary rights players
in a nuttshell
If I'm not mistaken the lower influence an estate has the more land you get to crownland when conquering land. So if you know you are doing early conquest, e.g. cores, might be good to hold off on increasing influence estates until afterward. Luckily +1 mana point ones don't increase influence. Based on the video though respective ownership of estates of country originally owning the land also matters.
Thank you for explaining why you go to 0% estates Ludi. I've always been put off by that autonomy bonus but now its worth assessing if the autonomy dip is worth the 300 monarch points and super start money!
Thanks for watching Billz
Tip: if you give 4 privileges to the nobility (or clergy if you are a theocracy or burghers if you are a Republic) you can't get the estate statutory rights event, which is very negative no matter what you choose. Also you don't need to wait a month to finish giving privileges, you can just give all the privileges you want before selling crown land, I think this way the estates influence is even higher and you should get even more money (not sure though)
Hey Ludi, you think you can make some guides for late game, I'm still not entirely sure how the mechanics of the age of absolutism and revolutions work.
Just search on youtube, there are loads of guides out there helping you with that. I like Ludi to but hes not the only knowledgable person on EU4 on youtube.
But what if most of 'pro players' uses this 'meta' since emperor update? :p
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I have over 1500 hours in eu4 and this video doesnt give me anything new, BUT ludi has this soothing voice that i just must listen to while he explains to me how to play eu4
Thanks for still watching it Blue, and for being such a long time member on youtube!
You see this guide is very good. But I like crown land. Low crown land is ugly and annoying. I hate estates and that's why I go revolutionary whenever I can.
Thanks, Ludi for a nice guide! I got like 400-500 hours logged and finally moving out of NUB status by doing the big brain play with Crownland early to get a bucket of ducats!
Glad it helped!
Love your shit dude!
Thanks, Ludi. Wish I had watched this sooner. Keep up the good content
This channel has its moments, but I gotta say, "pro EU4 player" had me cringing pretty hard.
Yeah, it was meant to be a cringe moment xD
@@LudietHistoria I see! Very tongue in cheek!
hahaha, I remember taking the estate statutory rights accidentally because multitasking while playing milan on 4x speed was a 'great' idea.... lasted for more than 20 years because it was handed to the merchants. experienced milan players should know why it was terrible
I made the mistake of grabbing estate statutory rights one time and I literally couldn't get rid of it until I adjusted the estates loyalty with a console command. I think If I had avoided grabbing other privileges, I'd have been fine, but that 25% autonomy hit to a fledgling country like florence was very debilitating. I'm not sure I want to try that again. I think it is important to note that having 60% influence does improve the benefit of the buffs that the estates give, though. I like to sit around 60 loyalty/influence.
Please do a similar video on absolutism no idea how that works
I will
Utterly baffling. But I did understand there is a privelege to increase monarch points.
It's two years later and things have changed
A couple of privileges have disappeared. Probably the developers have also seen that some were too overpowered and others were basically pointless. I have never seen the monopolies, but they are mentioned on the wiki. Might be the wiki is not updated, might be a dlc thing. They fixed the math bug that made you start slightly below 30% long ago.
But the basics still stand: the three monarch point privileges are the most important, just like the advisor cost privileges.
Burgher loans are super powerful. They provide very cheap cash. If you have spare cash, pay off the burgher loans and give out the privilege again. You get new, larger loans. Use these to pay off any expensive bank loans and do whatever you want with the remainder. Loans give some inflation every time they are renewed but that can be countered with an anti-inflation advisor. Or buy 2% lower inflation for monarch points when it runs out of control.
Strong duchies and integration policy are very good if you have 2 or more subjects.
For the rest, crank up loyalty equilibrium above 50% and keep influence as low as possible.Seize land whenever possible. Either when all loyalty is over 50% or crush the rebels.
If you like the Pope, consider church sanctuaries. You will be building churches anyway, and every church gives Pope points and some extra tax.
Try not to spam the diet too much. Every time you summon the diet, all estates gain influence temporarily, but these terms overlap, so they can accumulate quite a bit of influence from diet summoning. It is in the tooltip. Just let a few of these timeout and summon the diet again. There are nice bonuses there.
What about religious culture privilege for clergy and book keeping for burghers and the privilege that gives +10 merchant power at 100% influence for burghers? Keeping their influence around 55 - 65 i get +7 merchant power and +20 trade efficiency
Are the bonuses worth the influence?
Also i disable npbility always to create a parliament
But in newer versions there is a government reform to also disable clergy
Is it worth to disable clergy?
I wait to give my estates all my crownland as France, but only because there are some crown land requirement missions in their tree i like to do before i become an accurate depiction of the French crown.
the increased manpower is no longer preferred in mp games, its like 15-20% manpower, lel who would waste a noble priv slot for that, only if you really have nothing else as a privilege, also vaishyas give 33% prod eff on loyal bonus, also i would take burgher loans day 1 with how cheap they are to run high levels from day 1, and meta in mp is to not go above 5% crownland for a long time because we want to always sell titles every 5 years with how much money they give, we only go above 5 eventually when we dev so much that even with selling every 5 years it goes up, the increased monthly autonomy is countered by reducing autonomy whenever its possible and prosperity and eventually gov reform and economic ideas, but going to 20 in sp as fast as possible is fine
Estates are so fucking important that I mod all gov types to have estates fuck merch republics. Ludi if you give the other privileges b4 deving your burgers will have more influence thus the dev buff can reach 10%
Thanks for the guide!
Glad to help!
Hey ludi my brother kill himself today.He loves you so much and everyday we talk about you.Can you do something for him :(
whats the very first privlidge that he has for nobility? it looks like a development icon? i dont have anything like that in my game.
The 29.998 is caused by a floating point error, and isn't the fault of Paradox
oh is it? cause they fixed it in 1.32
Estates were a horrible addition to the game, but as long as they are there, you can micro manage that shit for even more power.
I have been playing this game for years and it wasn't until I started watching your videos I realized, I had no idea what I was doing. Much appreciated bro
Thanks for watching seth
hmm love this thanks ludi always here to support you ! love :3
You're the best!
Wow, maybe one of your best guide videos ever! I'll definitely be watching this whenever i need reference for estates. Thanks
Thanks for the support Kevin
Hopee they don't keep the estate system in EU5. Such a lame system.
I have over 1000 hours in the game and never touched the estates, I was a fool
I'm keeping 100% crownland
I am the state
It clearly states *From Subject's Development*
Great guide as always
Glad you enjoyed it
'The Estates meta pro virgins dont want you to know in eu4"
I love you Ludi 💕💕
love u 2
I like you movies but this is nothing I didn't know.
you should play madagascar and make it a colonial empire
this is goooooood
thanks ghost
Yea i understand the game even less now
3:13 Good pronunciation Saintong(je) no jé but correct 👍
If only i can like 2 time cause u take france😢😫
Salzburg has Salt! Also that wasnt Salzburg xD
Its all about selling that real estate and stealing it back
So helpful.
The only thing I saw... you first seize land then sell land, so you get more money.
3:12 it's prononced "sintonj" now you know :D
Wow, one of your best videos and maybe the most informative, too. I always was a little bit lost in the Estates-Jungle, but now i´m enlightened.
Quick Question : Do you build courthouses in your Provinces, and are they worth the money they cost ?
Keep up your amazing work !
I build courthouses in every province, super worth it!
But what is the benefit of courthouses?
@@Konleb lowers autonomy passively, lowers governing cost
i wouldnt recomment less than 30% crownland as a minor nation u could as a kingdom as u have -0.25 autonomy, but as a duchy thats -0.10 so the autonomy of ur provinces is going to be way higher in 15 years
Thats not true, in 15 years you get above 30% crownlands from expansion, EVEN FASTER AS A MINOR NATION, as it scales based on your own starting provinces, so the smaller you are, the easier it is. I recommend u come to my Twitch channel and see me show this LIVE, as I always do, since 90% of newer players don't trust until i show sadly xD
Early Game (Ages of Discovery and Reformation): Negative to no Crownland buffs.
Middle Game (Age of Absolutism): Positive Crownland buffs
Late Game (Age of the Revolutions): your choice, higher Absolutism = Chances for the Revolution.
i still think the old estate system was better
Monopolies are a waste of a slot. You want mana and advisor cost to all estates first and foremost, or u will fall behind in mana generation. For clergy, you always keep a slot open for expansionist zealotry incase you fight someone not of your religion and all catholic nations should take the +papal influence from building churches (it disappears if you convert from catholic). For nobility, if u dont need strong duchies u want to take general cost reduction. And u need space for burgher loans and patronage of the arts. And control of monetary policy is good later if ur inting really hard.
What about today Ludi, Monopolies were used a lot in 1.31 or before but now, Nobody use it, I don't understand why that changed so much?
Come on ludi influence aint that bad
Why not max your crownland, sell 10% Crownland to the Estate, and THEN seize it back?
cause thats a waste of crownlands for a very long time
Green numbers good.
Red numbers bad.
Okay, so I guess I (mostly) know what I'm doing, ha ha. It's so much less tedious than the old system, I ignored that almost entirely.
Well, in fact, you do have 10% of the crownland. It's just that it represents 10% of the 0.197% of the land 😁
don't you have an horrible event if you get under 40% crownland on TO after 1460?
You do but you can easily get 40% crownlands by the time the event triggers. I show how in my teutonic guide
estate statuary rights gives 30% crownland and can be revoked after 20 years. by revoking crown land you can only get 20% in that time tho