What is most annoying is the fact that most of those scenarios could have been done well. For example, he could have just passed the dinner and smiled to people, eat there and, if he wanted, pay the food by solving problems. He could have helped the woman in a far better way. And at the end, he could just said something like "the world isnt always saved by battling apocaliptic events. Sometimes, all you need is to lend a hand to the people that need it" meaning the woman from before
Superman’s “Over there” speech had the same energy as Patrick Star saying “we should take Bikini Bottom and push it somewhere else!” Except I’d say Patrick had more logic behind his idea than Clark
@@skibot9974 There were a few times he said something like I mostly remember it from one of the Youngblood comic reviews, where Linkara was covering that scene where the government sets up a fight to make Youngblood look good or something Basically he compared it to a similar scene with Booster Gold
And you want to know probably the saddest part in all of this? This was the last major Superman story arc before New 52. Yes, approximately 70 years of Superman’s original adventures...ending in ”over there needs to work on its own problems”.
A potential response Superman could have used to try to keep the woman from jumping after she said she was unhappy with her life: I know what it's like to feel like life is unfair. There are times when I wish that I didn't need to be Superman, when I wish I could just be a normal person living a normal life, instead of having to save the world as often as I do. I'm always happy to help, but there are times when I wish I wasn't needed, and there are times that it feels unfair, but I have to make the best of it. But there's the thing: Life can be about having to make the best of bad situations at times, finding the silver lining on a dark cloudy day, seeing the smiles on the faces of the people you care about, doing the things you love that make your day better. Life is about the little things that make you happy, because it is the little things that add up to something big that makes life worth living. Now, I need you to think hard: What are the little things that make your day better?
Such potential, ruined by pseudo-philosophical, flowery dialogue that doesn't mean anything, and offensive treatment of depression and policemen. But then again, by now, this issue is 'over there', and 'over there' needs to stand for itself.
+TPrower I've got it! I understand the meaning behind this comic now! Superman was so grief-stricken by the loss of all that life and that lady slapping him, that he lost his mind and became a hipster. So he was doing it because it was ironic!That's why he was a pretentious jerk who did a lot of stuff, but really achieved nothing and said a lot of stuff that meant nothing but was pretending to be deep but was just random pseudo-philosophy. And that was also why he didn't say he was a hero, because that would be so mainstream!
+TPrower I sometimes think that they didn't care so much because the reboot was coming. I like to think that All-Star Superman was the ending of Superman before the reboot. I really do, and I was glad they released the animated version of it in 2011.
The attempted suicide and random dickishness aside, I actually quite like the idea of him just casually walking around a city, helping people with odd jobs. It's pretty relatable to how you can do the same thing in real life. The small moments of helping strangers or being helped in turn is a good feeling, and is a lot closer to home for a hero than the grim attitude comics seem to have nowadays.
Could have been explained as a burnout of always having to deal with the maximum amount of hatred and destruction and wanting to do something more personal for a change. Not ideal to put the "over there" ideology into it, but well... comicbooks are a conveyorbelt factory product.
Superman's speech at the end was very lacklustre, and not at all what I expected. So I decided to rewrite it. "Aren't superheroes meant to be saving the world?" "I am saving the world. No I'm not fighting supervillains or rescuing people from a flash flood, but I'm saving people's worlds. A man who'd lose his job if he couldn't get to work on time. A woman going through immense stress and needing an outlet for it. Children who's neighbourhood has become dangerous and scary. Saving the world doesn't just come from being a superhero. It comes from everyone. From the doctors who make sure you're healthy, to the mechanics who keep your car working, to just your friend, who'll be an ear on a rainy day. Not everyone is a superhero. But everyone can save a world. A single persons world. Just one at a time.
S:"what? why aren't YOU at work? Why are you out here bothering me on my day off?" D: "well I-I'm just... taking some time for myself. I can't be at work all the time!!!" S: "yeah? that so?" D:... S:... D: "sorry to have bothered you sir. enjoy your day." S:"you too, buddy. you too..."
Yeah... I applaud any writer that tries to write a story where a superhero convinces a suicidal person to not kill themselves, but it's a subject that needs the utmost respect and care. Me personally, I felt All-Star Superman portrayed this scenario much better.
Why do comic writers feel the need to have "little events" trigger soul searching in heroes? And why are they always so stupid? The woman who ambushed Tony Stark with the picture of her son, this woman and her husband... You would think massive death tolls and huge tragedies might cause soul searching, but no, it is because some nobody came up and laid a guilt trip on you. It is amazing they get anything done at all if anyone can make them react with a shabby little tear jerker story.
I have a question: Why walk across just the United States? Why not walk through every country in the world as so to re-identify with people from every culture and walk of life, not just people from the States?
+Jonathan Szuhai Superman doesn't just represent the best of the U.S., he represents the best of the world at large. Superman helps everyone if they need his help.
I'd rather move it to Themyscira or whereever Wonder Woman is based out of. (Good lord I need to read some Wonder Woman comics, she's my favorite female superhero) I know men aren't allowed on the island but what's the altitude limit on that? Surely it'd be acceptable if he just dropped the guys in from 10,000 feet above the place and left, right?
What I really hate about the "Over There" speech is how accurately it captures the thought process of the US government. It's all about pushing the blame onto someone else instead of bucking up and dealing with the problem, and as a result our problems have just gotten worse. It's that mindset that led us here, and it's getting rid of it that will bring us out.
I disagree. The government's prime objective is to serve the people. If the people don't want to get involved in a conflict, the government should not be involved. The government's job is tp take care of this country, not other ones, and so America comes first.
Except their reply can, and probably did, refer to domestic issues, not necessarily international problems. There's a litany of issues that haven't been solved in a satisfactory manner - hell, the current crisis has been indicative of this in a lot of ways.
I can imagine when the gang starts beating up the kid. And as they're beating him Superman watches. Kid: Superman help me! Superman: Sorry but the problem is over there instead of over here so I cannot stop it.
What I honestly find funny is that in the game, Injustice: Gods Among Us, the JLA is transported to another dimension where Superman rules the planet with an iron fist after Lois Lane is killed by the Joker, and when Superman is facing his evil counterpart, he says, "My obligations don't end at the borders of my own dimension." But then there's garbage like this that goes against Supermans core principle of helping whoever he can, wherever he can, whenever he can.
When JMS is not writing crap like this, he demonstrates a really good understanding of the character of Superman with his excellent Superman: Earth One series. I highly recommend it to everyone.
I do admit if we ever get an animated superman earth one movie I could see tom welling to voice clark kent the same way I see Gary cole and Catherine Hicks to be the voice for John and martha kent
''Life isn't unfair'' Says the healthy good-looking guy who was born with some of the most powerful and versatile superpowers in all of fiction, has a great job, a great wife, two loving adopted parents, goes on adventures that span time and space, and is the founder of the greatest superhero team on Earth. Its pretty effing unfair from where the rest of us are sitting Kal.
Who also gets to face unimaginable horrors, regularly have a guy that would make Satan run for the hills take a special interest in him, has to take people's lives constantly into his hands, and make decisions that will keep you up at night forever. So yeah he's got it made.
Man: But Superman, The Anti-Monitor is attacking Over There! Superman: Well, if Over There angered the Anti-Monitor, then it's their problem. Anti-Monitor: As soon as I and my Shadow Demons are done slaying these mortals, we will conduct a new attack upon this entire dimension! Superman: Over There's problem. There's just more Over There now.
Also very stupid. Superman comparing Castro with Gaddafi or Manson???? WTF?. It "could" be sort of understandable if this was a comic from the 60 or 70 but this is a book from the 2010's and the writer is not some backwater hick (I think). It makes as much sense as comparing The Punisher with Hitler or something like that.
That's an ever-present problem when a comic tries to reflect real life. Things like Booster Gold saving Ronald Raegan, or George W. Bush calling for the Sentry to help with the World War Hulk severely date a comic. Sure, in cases like Captain America, or the ever-present Watchmen, it works to establish the comic as a message about more than just entertainment. I guess it all boils down to execution.
@@diegomontesleon136 to me, being dated is fine if the story is good. Early Doctor Who and to some extent Star Trek were dated in many areas but are still beloved. The "Over There" book though most certainly doesn't fit into the same category.
'Fox Kids' is gone, but 'Jerry Springer' is still on the air. 'Kids WB' is gone, but 'TMZ' is still on the air. 'Megas XLR' is canceled, but 'Teen Titans Go' is still on the air. 'DuckTales' is canceled', but 'The Kardashians' is still on the air.
I thought this was pretty good until Clark told a little boy to talk to dangerous drug dealers. What the heck. He can't be that idealistic and ignorant to realize that's a horrid idea.
Throughout the entire story I kept asking "Did I just skip two pages?" There are still some things that are done well, like Batman's "death" and Barry's return, but ultimately I prefer the tie in story Legion of Three Worlds. Even if it did focus on that whiny bitch known as Superboy Prime.
Say, I just had a thought about how Superman could've taken care of the drug problem. He could've had most of that exchange with the drug dealers to know who is doing this, and found all of their stashes with his x-ray vision. Then, he could've just walked away, gave the police a tip, and, with a warrant(the judge would take his word because he's Superman)and they could've seized the stashes AND arrested the dealers, thus getting rid of the source of the problem. Anybody who's got the legal knowledge to correct me in any way is free to, but that's just my solution.
well that hard to say well since that would be illegal to do(looking into people houses without permission or a warrant) but we then ask a question what is legal? yea that the real issue cause unless we know how the law works it hard to know what he can do
Depends honestly. DC treats super heroes almost like they are law enforcement officers at times as far as the legal system in their world seems concerned. So it might fall under an illegal search and seizure. But in our world if someone gave out a tip and they had a reason to believe them that can be the basis for a search warrant leading to an arrest. Unless a cop TOLD them to do it, in which case acting as an agent of the police it counts again as an illegal search.
@@thetruewisegamer actually, as Clark is not an LEO or government official, he's not subject to 4th amendment violations and any evidence would be admissible in court, and more than enough to get a warrant.
@@RabblesTheBinx well if it was handed by a anonymous sender then yes but since they know it Superman it means it was optain illegally by getting a look into someone without permission.
@@thetruewisegamer again, he's not an LEO, it doesn't apply. It doesn't have to be anonymous, it just has to not be at the behest of the government. And since he doesn't actually need to go into their houses, there's really no law against him gathering said information. Even if there was, however, it wouldn't matter. Superman could be charged with whatever crime is associated with getting the evidence, and the evidence he gathered would be used against him as evidence that the crime occured, but, crucially, _it would still be 100% admissible as evidence against the drug dealers._
To this comics very limited credit... I don't think the implication of Superman staring at the officer then leaving was that he would have let her die, I think it was meant as a "You can't be serious" moment.
I think the idea is he has no answer, which IS in character. He made her a promise, and if his speech had failed...like it should have...it would have meant denying her her freedom to force his will on her. I'm sorry @Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall but i think that was the right way to do that. It wasn't an innocent whose life was in danger from outside forces. It was someone choosing death. And to take that choice away, when he gave his word not to, would have been stepping on what he says he stands for. But at the same time it is still a life and letting her die would also be out of character. So he has no answer. It is one of the few good scenes in my opinion. Because it is a genuine situation where his powers don't give him a solution. A moment where the Man, not the Super, is the focus. That said this comic is badly paced, overly pretentious, and often very very dumb. And All-Star did the whole "save the jumper" thing much MUCH better.
@@JaelinBezel Shorter scene, Girl on phone whose therapist is stuck in a commute and she drops the phone off the roof but Supes comes up before she jumps too.
I don’t understand why he made the promise to begin with. He could just have said “I am sorry but I can’t promise that. I know you are in pain right now but I can’t watch someone jump to their deaths without doing something and without knowing you have had the mental health support and other attention from people who love you that you deserve. But I just want to talk, not grab you and take you down like the police are expecting me to” It’s not like she could have done anything and that would have conveyed he cared like a promise could have. It’s not like doctors and police give promises not to anything on suicide cases. Only reason police would is to stop someone from jumping because they can’t do anything if they do, unlike Superman.
TO BE FAIR, the comic never ACTUALLY implied that Superman would’ve let her die. His lack of a response to the officer is evidence that he wouldn’t. The officer should know that he’d never let her kill herself and Superman is aware of this. He wasn’t going to dignify the man’s question with a response.
Honestly, I was thinking of it as him not being so sure, like how some people interpret Pa Kent’s “maybe” in Man of Steel (you know the scene). Neither scene really portrays it that way (in this comic’s case, the vagueness of his glance is very much up to personal interpretation), but this idea, I believe, would be very possible. Superman tries to save as many people as he can. He tries to save this woman by trying to convince her to keep going. If he really was so apathetic as to let her jump, chances are, he wouldn’t have even showed up. But the important factor to debate is that, if the woman remains sure she wants to end it all, would saving her anyways just be considered as prolonging her suffering? Something like that happens in the Incredibles; Someone tries to jump off a building; Mr. Incredible is too late to convince him, so instead, he tries to intercept him midfall, and breaks the guy’s body as a result, ending in a lawsuit. A sticking point in the argument by the man’s lawyer is that he didn’t want to be saved in the first place. Superman probably could’ve saved this woman without any injuries, but the point here is that *she just did not want to be saved.* She probably would’ve hated Superman for not letting her die, especially since he seemed to promise her he wouldn’t stop her if she was sure she’d never have another happy day again. Something Linkara glosses over is that Superman remarks in the conversation with the suicidal girl that a friend of his had a terminal illness and also chose to take her own life to end her suffering. The idea of letting her make the choice to still jump is likely inspired by that event. Superman is tries to save as many people as he can. But most of the people he saves *wants* to live. And as for the people who don’t, he tries to spark hope in them to keep them going. If they still can’t, a part of him probably knows that imparting his need for them to live upon them will probably make them even more miserable. And I don’t think Superman would want to make *anyone* more miserable, much less good people. So yeah. Odds are, Superman would’ve respected her decision to give up, even if it would hurt him greatly to do so.
Saving people from suicide does not make them more miserable. It gives them an opportunity to keep living there are plenty of people alive today who were saved from suicide and are thankful for it.
I have a question, why didn't Superman do this as Clark? That would make so much more sense, he could carry his wallet and not get harassed by the press.
buck342443 That's exactly what I was thinking! And it still wouldn't hinder his ability to be superman, because he could just change into the costume and do his whole saving people thing.
It really does seem so obvious doesn't it? You would think Superman would want some privacy on this journey, but no, he's gotta be in the lime light? I just don't get it, it makes little to no sense to me.
Jax Serkies No kidding, that has to be one of the dumbest things I have every seen in a Superman comic, teaming up the Nesquik Bunny was less embarrassing.
Superman 701 opens iiiiiiin West Philadelphia born and raised on the playground is where I spent most of my days. Chilling out maxing and relaxing all cool and all shooting some b-ball outside the school.
I suffer from depression , and I'm kinda offended by how it's depicted in this comic, especially the cops acting like friggin dumbasses so supes can give some speech about life" not being fair and not being unfair."
Mike White that is great man just take it one day at time.if you need to vent about anything at all no matter what it is feel free to hit up my email knight2976@gmail.com ........ stay strong
Mike White It feels like the writer tried to rip off the absolutely heart-warming speech from All-Star Superman where Superman prevents and comforts a suicidal goth from jumping because of her medical issues, I think. While Superman knew he was going to die pretty soon. (I haven't read the comic yet so my information is second-hand.) When Supes is written right, he just spreads the warm and fuzzies like a tornado of hope and comfort.
That reply Superman gives to the little kid is like something the avarage youtube user would reply on the comments. In the 2nd season of the 2nd live action "The Tick" show the make parodies of a several Superman moments, such as thinking about making going back in time by making the earth go backwards, and one of the plots is that the "superman" character becomes very whinny that someone unliked him in social media. He starts throwing a fit and then a characters tells him to go for a walk which he does. I didn't know that that was also a parody of a super-moment until now.
+Autobot Productions At least that movie had the excuse of "It was his first time, he's kind of a noob at how to not damage everything within a five mile radius of himself." When Linkara states Supes has been doing this for a while to the nigh-universal praise of Metropolis, this lady in 700 is...well...pretty fucking evil turning her husband into a martyr.
Just curious as to when this was published in relation to Grant Morrison's All Star Superman. Because damn, that story did the whole Superman talks down a jumper thing a lot better than this.
Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful that a locomotive!! Able to walk across Philadelphia Pennsylvania in a single stroll!!! IT''S SUPERMAN!!!!
I am bipolar type 1. Means I am more prone to mania than the depression side of the coin. However, while that gives me symptoms of euphoria, high energy, and honestly makes me more productive, I will always, ALWAYS go into a downward spiral to the utter depths of a void through which no joy can escape...I think I was building to a point or something...oh yeah, I'm manic right now as it so happens with no sleep for the past 3 days. Literally, I have not closed my eyes in over 72hrs, so bear with me as I seem to ramble a touch at this stage in my never-ending cycle of madness. Here is my point: It doesn't matter what sparked the desire to go to the top of a building, you're a serious danger. I can say from multiple suicide attempts, being a jumper is like a huge pain in the ass. I overdosed and split open a vein, but a ten story drop leaves a significantly lower chance of survival. I take...uhh...33% offense to Linkara saying she's wasting people's time if she just wants attention. Because she deserves attention. People in a state that can be talked down from the ledge want someone, anyone to show them that even though life is about as fair as a rigged boxing match, people can always turn the tide. Sometimes the Last Son of Krypton with shitty advice is even better than what we had in our heads. Also, I keep MY depression away by making it OVER THERE'S problem. But, while I'm told that normal people call that delusional, just like Harley said at the end of Countdown all I really need is my optimistic attitude and a metric fuckton of denial.
@@keelanbarron928 If you're freaking out enough to stand on top of a building with intent to jump off, you need help. The woman in the comic was so distraught that she sat up there for hours, unable to make a choice one way or the other. She may have been unable to express the depth of her distress but you don't go that far without being in considerable mental anguish. And it's bullshit to expect that people will always get a diagnosis BEFORE finding themselves on a rooftop, begging for a reason to live. Some people don't realise that their distress is abnormal until after they push over into unsafe behaviour. I didn't realise that my constant fear wasn't normal for a teenager until I caught myself trying to plan my own death to escape it.
@@keelanbarron928 Good job on keeping your own stuff at bay, btw, no matter how you achieve it. If putting your depression further away from your self is how you keep it manageable, that is some interesting self-management. I hope you find some satisfaction each day, stranger.
You know what would have worked better for Superman vs. the dealers? If he just super-speed grabbed all the drugs and torched them in front of them. What would the dealers do, threaten to sue?
He has multiple powers that could solve that. He could probably destroy the particles with heat vision, freeze it with his breath, inhale it all, blow it all way away or even do that by acting as a huge fan instead.
You know what would have worked even better? Superman meets with the police and tells them he has an idea. Later, he walks back into the neighbourhood where the drug dealers are and says he's giving them one last chance to clear out and get their lives back on track. When they puff up their chests at him and say Superman can't touch them because there isn't any proof that they've got drugs, Superman reveals his idea: He tells the dealers that he's seen all their stashes with his X-Ray vision and that in his hand is a signal watch like what Jimmy Olsen uses. Once he's found the stashes, he'll activate the watch, which the police are tuned into the frequency of, and they'll come by, find the stashes for themselves, and arrest the dealers. Of course, the dealers will try to kill Superman with knives and guns like a bunch of idiots, which will lead to some classic imagery of bullets bouncing off his chest and a knife breaking in his open hand. Superman would then incapacitate the dealers for attempted assault and a few minutes later, the police would arrive and do exactly what Superman said they would. This way would have worked much better because it shows not only that Superman genuinely cares about everyone enough to even give a bunch of drug-peddling scumbags a chance to become good, but that he's actually pretty smart and capable of still winning by staying within the constraints of the law.
Of course I'm sure any decent lawyer would try to argue that the stashes could've been planted there by Superman himself when he placed the signal watches but somehow I doubt the jury would buy that.
You know you’ve messed up when Deadpool handles a jumper better. Then again Deadpool himself suffers from depression and has been shown to be suicidal. So he might actually be one of the better guys to do so.
My interpretation of the scene where the cop asks Superman if he would have let the suicidal woman jump was that Superman was so shocked by the stupidity of the question that he couldn't think of a way to properly explain how much stupid was in it and decided that it was better to just leave before the cop's stupidity started rubbing off on him.
Florence B Stupid would have been asking "So would you have caught her if she jumped?", as it is he's asking if he would have stopped her from jumping, not if he would have stopped her from hitting.
6:16 To be fair, What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way hinted at Superman having this ability when he uses it to disable Manchester Black's psychic power. But at the end of the story, he explained that it was temporary, so Linkara's point still stands. However, I might be forgetting something because I haven't read that comic in a while.
It been a while since I read the comic. But to this comics very little credit, I believe that the woman was the last straw that made Superman go on the walk. He very well could’ve been thinking about it before, and the woman was the last straw that made him go on the walk.
i actually have watched babylon 5 its one of my favorite sci fi shows -how the hell did this happen. This guy used to write good speeches for characters facing down what were aliens that had become beings of pure energy -he told them off for being idiots and acting selfishly and not even knowing why they were even doing what the hell they had been doing for thousands of years which involved a proxy war between the two. Also im also very fond of several lines from B5 -my favorite i don't know if its his but "if your falling of a mountain you may as well try and fly, you have nothing left to loses"
You know, if it had been her husband dying from new krypton shit that was happening it might actually make more sense, like the scene in civil war where the woman confronts tony about her son. It would give context to the events that happened and might make superman feel like he had lost touch with people and had been reckless etc.
It's sad that the set up " Superman going across America, not in a grand heroic quest for peace, but a simple walk and occasionally helping with people's issues big and small" is an interesting idea and has potential to be a decent story, but the writing just fucking ruins it.
@@louthegiantcookie they did- it turned out that Superman was having a mental breakdown, and actually that almost of the strangers he met were actually nice to him but he was misinterpreting it through a combination of the mental breakdown and external psychic interference- this included plenty of the people being perfectly reasonable, who it turned out were actually fawning over him.
You know, the more you think about the "Over There" thing, the worse it gets. Recall what prompted Superman's walk across America. A woman calls him out for not helping her with her problems. Ignoring her selfishness, the reason Supes started this walk was because he felt he didn't look out for everyone and needed to reconnect with the people he was protecting. He started this journey because he felt he hadn't done enough to look out for "Over There." And now, he's saying the exact opposite, thus undermining this whole story arc in the first friggin issue. At least with the New Guardians when they undermined their book, the women could still pass on their superior genes to future generations, even if it was through normal people and not the male members of the team. But the "Over There" speech basically tells everyone "Yeah, we're wasting your time."
I feel like the situation with the jumper better highlights a failure on the police's part than Superman's confusing arguments. The police were there. They should have been able to at least partially control the situation.
Actually, Superman did demonstrate his medical expertise in the animated movie Superman vs. the Elite, in one of the downright scariest Superman moments I have ever seen where we thought he had gone batshit crazy! He used his X-ray vision to detect the abnormality in the main villain Manchester's brain, then shot a microscopic burst of heat vision through Manchester's pupils and lobotomized him to take away his powers.
That was actually the worst part of the movie: that's the same kind of no-nonsense solution the Elite would use. The comic handled it much much better, where Superman said that he had lobotomized it, but after the fight was over, Supes revealed he'd never lobotomize someone like that; he only concussed the organ.
dlausactor6373 (He actually didn't do that, he just temporarily disabled them with the impact on the brain being minimal, because Superman would never lobotomize someone)
+paperbackwriter1111 He did do it in the film. I'm actually OK with that - he's doing nothing to them but take away their powers and lock them up. I wouldn't put that on the same level as the Elite killing people.
In the comic, he didn't actually do that; he just said he did. (Though I, too, would have no problem with him actually doing that.) In the world of the comics, there's no reason for her (or us) to think Superman can actually perform surgery with his heat vision.
He didn’t lobotomize Black. He hit him with a quick shot of heat vision aimed at the part of his brain that controlled his powers, nullifying them temporarily until he could be put on psi dampeners. What he said to Black about “cutting out” a part of his brain that “looked nasty” was a bit of reverse psychology. He wanted Black to think for a minute about how it would actually feel if Superman did let loose and act like he and his team did.
Some notes: I wonder why Superman decided he'd do this walk in full Superman outfit rather than as, well, Clark Kent, who is a relative unknown to anyone who isn't a journalist or whatever, and he can connect with people on a more personal level as an apparent equal. Wouldn't be hounded by reporters and shit asking him what he's doing. And on that note, I understand why he doesn't do a press conference to say he's basically on vacation, considering it would encourage villains to organize for some nefarious projects while he's away and out of the picture.
Linkara. I think you should do the next issue for the grounded arc. That's the most well known issue from this arc and also the most hated the last time I checked. It's astounding the amount of wrong that issue had.
KidSnivy69 Okay. So aliens land on Earth because their planet was taken over by a tyrant. Superman meets them and berates them for illegal immigration. I repeat! Superman, AN ALIEN, is berating other aliens for immigrating to earth!
Superman almost went full Homelander in this issue 😄 also I like how the 'leaving Philadelphia' sign in in the middle of a neighborhood instead of on the freeway.
The “Over There” speech had a good message...buried under TERRIBLE WORDING. I think what he meant was, we remove them from here. Then they go somewhere else, and they’ll remove them too, and over and over until there’s nowhere else for them to go, and then they’ll stop what they’re doing, because there’s no place for it. And together, we create a place without their influence. It’s a child’s understanding of “ If we all say No, they’ll have to go away”.
The arc actually got "better" when JMS left to concentrate on Earth One series and Chris Roberson took over, making the run readable and explained why Superman was acting so out of character. Makes you wonder what a full Chris Roberson run without forced story ideas of another writer would've been like if he stayed on the title unfortunately Flashpoint happened and Roberson refuses to work for DC (or Marvel) over their mistreatment of creator rights.
6:16 Yes, Supreman does have that power. In "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?" he performs neurosurgery on Manchester Black's brain using heat vision focused through the lens in his cornea based on using his x-ray vision to find an anomaly in his brain. I assume she's referencing that because he did it and explained what he did during a live TV broadcast hooked in to every screen on the planet. Also, she's grieving over the loss of her husband. Lashing out at people who could have stopped it but didn't (even if they actually couldn't) is a very natural grief reaction.
Auto repair... And suddenly I'm thinking of the Bicycle Repair Man sketch from Monty Python. Though, yeah, agree on Superman being willing to help with everyday problems.
I really do like the parts where Superman does these minor chores-I like the idea of a superhero who helps people by more ways than punching evil people./
I feel like he's gonna brutally assault Quesada and then wag his finger at JMS for that story. But hey, they ruined a cool superhero, have yet to properly undo OMD and manage to insult people who get into escapist fictional products.
I'm glad Lewis was humble enough to later apologize for being unsympathetic to the woman thinking of suicide. That being said, there is a problem with how JMS wrote her dialogue here imo - this idea that we all "wanted to do great things" and "save the world" when we left school. Most people lose that type of thinking very quickly and I doubt it's the cause of most people feeling disillusioned later in life. I think it comes more from the sense that there's so little meaning in life. In 100 years, all of us will be dead, and there might be a handful of people who still remember us (if we're lucky) and even that will dissappear shortly after. All the trials and hardships we went through won't mean anything, and everything will eventually end without achieving a sense of fulfillment or purpose. This can be the result of wanting to do great things, but it's not like you have to save the world to be happy. Honestly, the way she was written here reminds me of that "gamer" Peter Parker in One More Day feeling like he was owed a better future because he couldn't do all the great things he wanted.... leads me to think JMS likely did write that part of the comic unfortunately
Superman doesn't go to Gotham because the city is too caothic and only Batman can do something: 👎 Superman doesn't go to Gotham because Gotham is over there: 👍
After watching this review (and the later reference to this review in Linkara's next screw-ups video) I actually reimagined the jumped scene featuring my own characters. It's amazing how easy it is to portray both the superhero and the jumper in a more relatable light. The jumper simply asks "Are you going to catch me if I fall?" and the hero says "Yes; of course I will," so the jumper says "Well; I'll wait until you go away." The superhero's response is that they talk to the person - a little small talk might help distract them and make them more likely to respond to questions - and then remind them of what they have to live for; their friends and family, their hobbies and passions, and with Superman's speed; once he knows that she has friends willing to help her; he goes and finds them and brings them to her; have them talk her down as they know her better than anyone else. No need to speechify and make her feel worse and then wait well into the night for her to finally get bored. If Superman said what he said in this comic to me; I'd just say "Screw you Superman" and jump, and if he does catch me; I'll just find another building to jump off of when he's not around. Finally; I know Lewis apologised for his apparent "lack of sympathy" in the aforementioned video, so I won't rant about my feelings on that matter, although rewatching this; he wasn't that critical in the first place so I don't think actual hate was needed in the first place, but regardless of one's opinions on Superman and superhero morality concerning life and death, if I were on that rooftop and Superman came to talk to me, I would not want him to catch me, and I'd be pissed if he did.
Remember the speech from the end of Superman IV, the "only when people demand peace will it be given to them" speech? The "over there" speech was trying to say the same thing, except significantly worse, which I didn't think was possible.
What if superman, instead of that idiotic "over there" line, simply said something along the lines of "Then I'll run them out of there too." or just said something really corny like "Then you be sure to notify the authorities. Communications and confidence with law enforcement is the backbone of any good, honest, law abiding community. Now, go home, young man. It's a school night." I think just about any cheesy "Superman is a total boy scout and that's a good thing" type option would be better than "Eh that's their problem."
this, saying "Then I'll run them out of there too" reminds me of what he said to Manchester Black on "What's so funny about Truth Justice and the American Way", about how he'll fight evil over and over until they get the message
@@matehiqu9905 Honestly, lines like that are the perfect opportunity for a writer to show that they understand the character. When they don't, it's worrying that they got the assignment in the first place.
I mean... I could see Superman letting her jump... but at the same time, I think that he would *also* stop her from hitting the ground... technically keeping his word, while still not letting her die. And all too often, someone who is deeply depressed or anxious (or both) need people to *listen* to them. I've been there (not the suicide part, the needing someone to listen due to depression) many times over the decades >__
“Over there” Supes is in S. Philly. “Over there” is probably Camden, NJ. Well, crap. Screw you too, Superman! PS: those cheesesteaks on South Street ARE hella expensive...
I can think of a better way for Superman to have handled the drug dealers: Before he goes into the drug neighbourhood, he talks with the police and obtains a special phone that he can use to call the police. Cut ahead to the part of the drug dealer scene where Superman says that he's found all their stashes with his x-ray vision. At that point, he says, "You're right, it doesn't. But I can call the police and get them to raid these houses in order to find the stashes, which are admissible in court", pulling out the phone. As the drug dealers pull out guns and knives, we get the always-iconic scene of bullets bouncing off Superman. He also grabs a knife-blade in his free hand and twists it in half. He then activates the phone, the police arrive, the drugs are found, and the dealers are arrested. The child then thanks Superman, Superman says "You're welcome" and he continues his walk.
Grant morrison had superman help a suicidal person too and thet came at it from the perspective of a person who actually related to depression to the point where it saved my life
32:50 - Thank you, thank you for pointing that out! It drives me crazy that people build Thoreau up to be a great civil protester or American philosopher or something equally wonderful when he was really a spoiled, pretentious brat making a show of having "principles" in the full awareness that he was sacrificing nothing... Come to think of it, Superman in this comic was a lot like Thoreau. Kudos to JMS, I guess.
ReneeMontoya12 Thoreau is so far up his own ass that even the English teachers that were required to assign us his book basically said that they would only have us read two chapters from it, I think so that we could see why his philosophy is nonsense.
ReneeMontoya12 god, Thoreau makes me want to smash my head into things. His writings were just walls and walls and walls of text that are filled with self aggrandizing bullshit
@@joanthetraveler3482 Your teachers were better than mine, then. We had to read "Civil Disobedience" from an uncritical perspective. Thankfully, since we all had free will, most of us figured out that it was bullshit.
They're often just called cheesesteaks outside of Philly as well. It's sort of redundant considering there aren't rival versions from other cities like with other regional specialties.
27:55 I mean, John Lennon was an ass who preached peace but didn't practice it, Gadaffi staged a revolution, but then did some good as a leader, before turning into a lunatic, while JFK was a cheat, a womanizer, and the reason that the Cuban Missile Crisis happened, so the point is...? When two of your examples of good, just people are also jerks, maybe you don't have a point. Also, I still quote that "Over There" speech all the time. Dumb as it is, it's an iconic Superman moment.
Funny story. Superman does have advanced medical training but only in the silver age. He cured a girl's blindness after reading a bunch of medical textbooks in a day. He didn't use heat vision at any point though.
@@TareltonlivesYeah, plenty of good writers are just as capable of writing garbage stories. For instance, Jeph Loeb wrote some of the best DC Comics, such as Batman: The Long Halloween/Dark Victory, Superman: For All Seasons and Hush, but his stuff with Marvel tended to range from divisive to outright *horrible* . Tom King's written some pretty good books such as Mister Miracle, The Vision, Strange Adventures and Rorschach, but also wrote one of the most divisive runs of Batman, alongside the universally reviled Heroes in Crisis. Even Alan Moore's written a few duds in his otherwise iconic writing career (Neonomicon is the first title I can think of that comes to mind). Basically, just because a writer has written some bad stories doesn't automatically make them a bad writer, it just means nobody's perfect.
As far as i can tell the whole "superman could have removed my husband's tumor" thing might be a reference to "whats so funny about truth, justice and the American way" or superman vs the elite, for those more familiar with the movie. And yes Linkara reviewed it already i know What i mean is in that story superman supposedly gave Manchester Black a lobotomy by shooting his heat vision through his eyes though it was revealed pretty much right after that all superman did was give the dude a concussion so even if it IS a reference, its a damn stupid one
I got seriously angry at Linkara questioning suicidal person's possible depression. Hello there, Linkara, didn't you read that her mom just died? Developed countries have counselors on staff specifically because this is a very real risk for dead person's relatives to commit suicide. And she seems very young, at an age when burying your parents is NOT normal or smth you're ready to deal with. There don't seem to be any other family members around either, so she's likely feeling crushingly lonely. And yes, that would've popped a question, is the lonely life of only work worth it. She NEEDED help, she's not an attention seeker
Yeah, that was my screw-up. I'm sorry about that and I made an apology on my mistakes list later: ruclips.net/video/RsnisRwecjg/видео.htmlsi=S-L9mYtq8bMJzASM&t=2246
Without getting into the specifics of this story, it does make me consider a question. Suppose you were a person who naturally had the talents to serve your community and make it a better place, such as a politician, or a police officer. But rather than indulge in these talents, your personal desire is to serve in a lesser capacity, like a plumber or a secretary. The question here is should you be allowed to follow the career path you want, or do you owe it to your community to serve it in whatever capacity you're best able? Where do you draw the line between the right to personal happiness and duty to the community?
You'd think having such a close relationship with at least a couple reporters, Superman would know how to give interesting answers for interviews. (Even without tipping that he's an actual reporter in his secret identity.)
This comic exemplifies how imposing real world laws and logic into a superhero universe is stupid. Cause in a world with superheroes, especially someone like Superman, the world runs differently and trying to impose our world onto a fictional one won't mesh right. Superman could've grabbed the drug dealers and their drugs in less then a minute, ran them to the police and said "here's the drug dealers and their stashes. Their finger prints are all over them and I held the drugs with my cape, so my hands are clean. Have them arrested, I'm Superman. Goodbye."
In All-Star Superman, Superman was effectively dying for most of the comic. He was living life to his fullest and trying to do as much as he could. In one scene, he stopped to comfort a teenage girl contemplating suicide. Talking her back from the brink. How? Because it's never as bad as she thought, and she was stronger than she thought she was.
30:50 I don’t think the implication is that he would’ve let her die. I think it’s that maybe he would’ve let her jump, but he’d almost instantly catch her. It would’ve still probably felt out of character for Supes but I think the idea would’ve been that the second she jumps, she would instantly regret it. Literally scare her straight I guess.
You know... when there's a weird line in a story, I like to put the puzzle pieces together to figure out what the author meant. The "And good riddance" line from Superman: Distant Fires, yeah, it's silly, but I get it. The writer was trying to say that Superman is such a positive character that even without the powers he can see a bright future. I still to this day have no idea what they were trying to say with the whole "That problem is over there". I think he was trying to say that he can't be everywhere at once and we need to build stable systems... I THINK.
"I didn't get out of highschool thinking I'd save the world..." maybe not, but you've saved, let's see...at this point...Insano...Vyce...Mechacara twice...the Entity...Silent Hill three times...let's round it off and say ten times?
So it took J. Michael Straczynski several pages and lots of inane dialogue to set the scene of Superman preventing a woman from unaliving herself, and it's just another stupid part of his disastrous run with the character. Meanwhile Grant Morrison was able to do it with just 1 page, 5 panels, and only four sentences of dialogue, and it's one of the most iconic Superman moments ever.
Of course Superman didn't fly the guy to the Hospital. The Hospital was *OVER THERE*
And no one would be crazy enough to go OVER THERE. Don't you know? It's full of drug dealers!
OVER THERE can deal with its problems on its own.
I love this meme so much. 🤣
What is most annoying is the fact that most of those scenarios could have been done well. For example, he could have just passed the dinner and smiled to people, eat there and, if he wanted, pay the food by solving problems. He could have helped the woman in a far better way. And at the end, he could just said something like "the world isnt always saved by battling apocaliptic events. Sometimes, all you need is to lend a hand to the people that need it" meaning the woman from before
Superman’s “Over there” speech had the same energy as Patrick Star saying “we should take Bikini Bottom and push it somewhere else!”
Except I’d say Patrick had more logic behind his idea than Clark
Or in classic AT4W style
“Except unlike this comic, THAT DIDN’T SUCK!”
@@TheMamaluigi300 what episode was that quote from
@@skibot9974 There were a few times he said something like
I mostly remember it from one of the Youngblood comic reviews, where Linkara was covering that scene where the government sets up a fight to make Youngblood look good or something
Basically he compared it to a similar scene with Booster Gold
And Patrick's plan WOULD have worked
@@doggosho3044 To get them all killed.
And you want to know probably the saddest part in all of this? This was the last major Superman story arc before New 52. Yes, approximately 70 years of Superman’s original adventures...ending in ”over there needs to work on its own problems”.
A potential response Superman could have used to try to keep the woman from jumping after she said she was unhappy with her life:
I know what it's like to feel like life is unfair. There are times when I wish that I didn't need to be Superman, when I wish I could just be a normal person living a normal life, instead of having to save the world as often as I do. I'm always happy to help, but there are times when I wish I wasn't needed, and there are times that it feels unfair, but I have to make the best of it. But there's the thing: Life can be about having to make the best of bad situations at times, finding the silver lining on a dark cloudy day, seeing the smiles on the faces of the people you care about, doing the things you love that make your day better. Life is about the little things that make you happy, because it is the little things that add up to something big that makes life worth living. Now, I need you to think hard: What are the little things that make your day better?
Now that would help me if I was on the edge. .3.
I want to put this quote on a comic.
*slow clap followed by standing ovation* Yes. That was beautifully written and would have definitely worked better than what was in the comic.
Clearly you thought about this more than the writer of the comic did.
That sounds like it was pulled right out of All Star Superman.
Ah, the beginning of the “your problems are _’over there,’_ and _’over there’_ needs to take care of itself,” running gag!
Wait, OVER THERE HAS DRUGS!?
*gets in car and drives over there*
XD Yes!
*stops you* now now, don't you start buying from over there or I'll burn your house down
the Comic Nation 108 So if I bought drugs HERE, would you still burn my house down?
Figuratively speaking, of course.
the Comic Nation 108 But wouldn't he move to Over There in order to solve that problem?
dnmstarsi both of you stop thinking! superman #701 doesn't have time for actual thought
Such potential, ruined by pseudo-philosophical, flowery dialogue that doesn't mean anything, and offensive treatment of depression and policemen. But then again, by now, this issue is 'over there', and 'over there' needs to stand for itself.
TPrower The potential was strong with this comic... but the execution was meh! :(
+TPrower I've got it! I understand the meaning behind this comic now! Superman was so grief-stricken by the loss of all that life and that lady slapping him, that he lost his mind and became a hipster. So he was doing it because it was ironic!That's why he was a pretentious jerk who did a lot of stuff, but really achieved nothing and said a lot of stuff that meant nothing but was pretending to be deep but was just random pseudo-philosophy. And that was also why he didn't say he was a hero, because that would be so mainstream!
+TPrower I sometimes think that they didn't care so much because the reboot was coming. I like to think that All-Star Superman was the ending of Superman before the reboot. I really do, and I was glad they released the animated version of it in 2011.
Is it any wonder I'm not a big fan of JMS?
The attempted suicide and random dickishness aside, I actually quite like the idea of him just casually walking around a city, helping people with odd jobs. It's pretty relatable to how you can do the same thing in real life. The small moments of helping strangers or being helped in turn is a good feeling, and is a lot closer to home for a hero than the grim attitude comics seem to have nowadays.
I agree, this is an amazing concept for a Superman story, if only it was better executed
Could have been explained as a burnout of always having to deal with the maximum amount of hatred and destruction and wanting to do something more personal for a change. Not ideal to put the "over there" ideology into it, but well... comicbooks are a conveyorbelt factory product.
Great idea, sucky execution
Daredevil 304 is one of my favorite issues because of that, it's just a tale of Daredevil helping the citizens of New York with everyday's stuff.
Superman's speech at the end was very lacklustre, and not at all what I expected. So I decided to rewrite it.
"Aren't superheroes meant to be saving the world?"
"I am saving the world. No I'm not fighting supervillains or rescuing people from a flash flood, but I'm saving people's worlds. A man who'd lose his job if he couldn't get to work on time. A woman going through immense stress and needing an outlet for it. Children who's neighbourhood has become dangerous and scary.
Saving the world doesn't just come from being a superhero. It comes from everyone. From the doctors who make sure you're healthy, to the mechanics who keep your car working, to just your friend, who'll be an ear on a rainy day.
Not everyone is a superhero. But everyone can save a world.
A single persons world.
Just one at a time.
I want Superman to say that now
S:"what? why aren't YOU at work? Why are you out here bothering me on my day off?"
D: "well I-I'm just... taking some time for myself. I can't be at work all the time!!!"
S: "yeah? that so?"
D:...
S:...
D: "sorry to have bothered you sir. enjoy your day."
S:"you too, buddy. you too..."
Yeah... I applaud any writer that tries to write a story where a superhero convinces a suicidal person to not kill themselves, but it's a subject that needs the utmost respect and care. Me personally, I felt All-Star Superman portrayed this scenario much better.
Christmas with the superheroes handled the scenario pretty good too.
I think Straczynski tried to copy Morrison on that part, but failed at it.
"Oh, Supes is gonna OWN those drug dealers! I can't wait to see how he--
Oh. That's kinda terrible." This comic in a nutshell!
Why do comic writers feel the need to have "little events" trigger soul searching in heroes? And why are they always so stupid? The woman who ambushed Tony Stark with the picture of her son, this woman and her husband... You would think massive death tolls and huge tragedies might cause soul searching, but no, it is because some nobody came up and laid a guilt trip on you. It is amazing they get anything done at all if anyone can make them react with a shabby little tear jerker story.
I have a question: Why walk across just the United States? Why not walk through every country in the world as so to re-identify with people from every culture and walk of life, not just people from the States?
yes why didn't he do that?
What part of "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" do you not understand?
*****
I from the UK MR!
+Jonathan Szuhai Superman doesn't just represent the best of the U.S., he represents the best of the world at large. Superman helps everyone if they need his help.
Furious Sherman He still grew up in the United States. Of course he's gonna make it his choice of where to walk.
Move the problem to Gotham Batman is waiting.
+MrGMoney1944 that's been his plan along keep moving it until it gets to batman
Javon Younger
It is what I would do.
The real reason Gotham is so crime-ridden, all the other superheroes constantly move random criminals over there.
I'd rather move it to Themyscira or whereever Wonder Woman is based out of. (Good lord I need to read some Wonder Woman comics, she's my favorite female superhero) I know men aren't allowed on the island but what's the altitude limit on that? Surely it'd be acceptable if he just dropped the guys in from 10,000 feet above the place and left, right?
Why don't we take all the crime and *_PUSH_** IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!?!?!?*
What I really hate about the "Over There" speech is how accurately it captures the thought process of the US government. It's all about pushing the blame onto someone else instead of bucking up and dealing with the problem, and as a result our problems have just gotten worse. It's that mindset that led us here, and it's getting rid of it that will bring us out.
Update from 3 years after this comment: still relevant, maybe even more so now.
I disagree. The government's prime objective is to serve the people. If the people don't want to get involved in a conflict, the government should not be involved. The government's job is tp take care of this country, not other ones, and so America comes first.
Except their reply can, and probably did, refer to domestic issues, not necessarily international problems. There's a litany of issues that haven't been solved in a satisfactory manner - hell, the current crisis has been indicative of this in a lot of ways.
@@1AlasBabylon Ok. Then I agree on the domestic portion of the comment
I feel like “it’s a start” would have been better
I can imagine when the gang starts beating up the kid. And as they're beating him Superman watches.
Kid: Superman help me!
Superman: Sorry but the problem is over there instead of over here so I cannot stop it.
that sounds like god
"Life's not fair, kid!"
But you can travel faster than the speed of light Superman come on! Fuck you kid
antman1001000 Stfu dumbed
antman1001000 Stfu dumbass
21:10 Let's take our problems, and PUSH EM SOMEWHERE ELSE!
Oh my god! Superman has been reduced to the same intelligence as Patrick Star. The human race is doomed!
that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and I'm only 8 years old
Red Lantern Reviews Hey that rhetoric worked twice in the Avatar Universe.
The7thDraconian I don't remember that. Which episodes did that happen in?
***** Avatar Kyoshi did it when faced with Chen the Conquerer and Aang did it in The Promise, which was the first of the sequel comics.
What I honestly find funny is that in the game, Injustice: Gods Among Us, the JLA is transported to another dimension where Superman rules the planet with an iron fist after Lois Lane is killed by the Joker, and when Superman is facing his evil counterpart, he says, "My obligations don't end at the borders of my own dimension." But then there's garbage like this that goes against Supermans core principle of helping whoever he can, wherever he can, whenever he can.
Didn't Metropolis also end up getting destroyed (Update. I took the time to check. And yes. It was also destroyed)
Man superman must be catching a lot of Pokémon while he's walking.
The TRUE reason for his walk!
He was playing Pokemon GO before it was cool.
I'm waiting to see if they will release the Johto ones
The Johto Pokémon are all OVER THERE. And OVER THERE needs to go catch itself!
If HISHE is to be believed, he is a member of Team Valor XD.
When JMS is not writing crap like this, he demonstrates a really good understanding of the character of Superman with his excellent Superman: Earth One series. I highly recommend it to everyone.
I do admit if we ever get an animated superman earth one movie I could see tom welling to voice clark kent the same way I see Gary cole and Catherine Hicks to be the voice for John and martha kent
comic book reviewer ooh that would be really awesome
''Life isn't unfair'' Says the healthy good-looking guy who was born with some of the most powerful and versatile superpowers in all of fiction, has a great job, a great wife, two loving adopted parents, goes on adventures that span time and space, and is the founder of the greatest superhero team on Earth. Its pretty effing unfair from where the rest of us are sitting Kal.
Who also gets to face unimaginable horrors, regularly have a guy that would make Satan run for the hills take a special interest in him, has to take people's lives constantly into his hands, and make decisions that will keep you up at night forever. So yeah he's got it made.
laz kar Both, but Darkseid was on my mind there.
laz kar Trigon isn't Satan, mostly because he's other dimensional and there is a Hell in DC. And a Lucifer whom isn't a rapist. XD
laz kar LMAO. But if you haven't checked it out, Lucifer's series was awesome.
Man: But Superman, The Anti-Monitor is attacking Over There!
Superman: Well, if Over There angered the Anti-Monitor, then it's their problem.
Anti-Monitor: As soon as I and my Shadow Demons are done slaying these mortals, we will conduct a new attack upon this entire dimension!
Superman: Over There's problem. There's just more Over There now.
Fun fact:
Moammar Kadaffi dieds in 2011
Fidele Castro dieds in 2016
Charles Mason dieds in 2017
So this comic book is officialy dated!
Also very stupid. Superman comparing Castro with Gaddafi or Manson???? WTF?.
It "could" be sort of understandable if this was a comic from the 60 or 70 but this is a book from the 2010's and the writer is not some backwater hick (I think).
It makes as much sense as comparing The Punisher with Hitler or something like that.
@@theguardian8317 Castro was heavily vilified in America in the 70's and 80's when JMS was younger, so that's probably why.
That's an ever-present problem when a comic tries to reflect real life. Things like Booster Gold saving Ronald Raegan, or George W. Bush calling for the Sentry to help with the World War Hulk severely date a comic.
Sure, in cases like Captain America, or the ever-present Watchmen, it works to establish the comic as a message about more than just entertainment.
I guess it all boils down to execution.
@@diegomontesleon136 to me, being dated is fine if the story is good. Early Doctor Who and to some extent Star Trek were dated in many areas but are still beloved. The "Over There" book though most certainly doesn't fit into the same category.
'Fox Kids' is gone, but 'Jerry Springer' is still on the air.
'Kids WB' is gone, but 'TMZ' is still on the air.
'Megas XLR' is canceled, but 'Teen Titans Go' is still on the air.
'DuckTales' is canceled', but 'The Kardashians' is still on the air.
I thought this was pretty good until Clark told a little boy to talk to dangerous drug dealers. What the heck. He can't be that idealistic and ignorant to realize that's a horrid idea.
But we don't know if they pick themselves back up or back down upon hearing the message
It's revealed at the end of the arc to have actually been a mental breakdown caused by a psychic influenced by some kryptonian tech?
All Star Superman dealt with suicide perfectly in ONE PAGE. Just ONE. This thing decided to have multiple pages of verbose crap. This comic sucks!
Joshua Lowe Grant Morrison is awesome.
He is my favourite comic book writer.
I like his writing in 52 but Final Crisis confused the hell out of me. I'm not saying FC is bad but I just had no idea of what the hell was going on.
I do agree on Final Crisis. Usually I am all on board on his crazy train but FC is very flawed in its execution.
Throughout the entire story I kept asking "Did I just skip two pages?" There are still some things that are done well, like Batman's "death" and Barry's return, but ultimately I prefer the tie in story Legion of Three Worlds. Even if it did focus on that whiny bitch known as Superboy Prime.
Say, I just had a thought about how Superman could've taken care of the drug problem. He could've had most of that exchange with the drug dealers to know who is doing this, and found all of their stashes with his x-ray vision. Then, he could've just walked away, gave the police a tip, and, with a warrant(the judge would take his word because he's Superman)and they could've seized the stashes AND arrested the dealers, thus getting rid of the source of the problem. Anybody who's got the legal knowledge to correct me in any way is free to, but that's just my solution.
well that hard to say well since that would be illegal to do(looking into people houses without permission or a warrant) but we then ask a question what is legal? yea that the real issue cause unless we know how the law works it hard to know what he can do
Depends honestly. DC treats super heroes almost like they are law enforcement officers at times as far as the legal system in their world seems concerned. So it might fall under an illegal search and seizure. But in our world if someone gave out a tip and they had a reason to believe them that can be the basis for a search warrant leading to an arrest. Unless a cop TOLD them to do it, in which case acting as an agent of the police it counts again as an illegal search.
@@thetruewisegamer actually, as Clark is not an LEO or government official, he's not subject to 4th amendment violations and any evidence would be admissible in court, and more than enough to get a warrant.
@@RabblesTheBinx well if it was handed by a anonymous sender then yes but since they know it Superman it means it was optain illegally by getting a look into someone without permission.
@@thetruewisegamer again, he's not an LEO, it doesn't apply. It doesn't have to be anonymous, it just has to not be at the behest of the government. And since he doesn't actually need to go into their houses, there's really no law against him gathering said information. Even if there was, however, it wouldn't matter. Superman could be charged with whatever crime is associated with getting the evidence, and the evidence he gathered would be used against him as evidence that the crime occured, but, crucially, _it would still be 100% admissible as evidence against the drug dealers._
To this comics very limited credit... I don't think the implication of Superman staring at the officer then leaving was that he would have let her die, I think it was meant as a "You can't be serious" moment.
So you are saying Superman is looking at the officer like he is an idiot for asking a pretty normal question....
I think the idea is he has no answer, which IS in character. He made her a promise, and if his speech had failed...like it should have...it would have meant denying her her freedom to force his will on her.
I'm sorry @Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall but i think that was the right way to do that. It wasn't an innocent whose life was in danger from outside forces. It was someone choosing death. And to take that choice away, when he gave his word not to, would have been stepping on what he says he stands for. But at the same time it is still a life and letting her die would also be out of character. So he has no answer. It is one of the few good scenes in my opinion. Because it is a genuine situation where his powers don't give him a solution. A moment where the Man, not the Super, is the focus.
That said this comic is badly paced, overly pretentious, and often very very dumb. And All-Star did the whole "save the jumper" thing much MUCH better.
@@HiddenInTheTruth I don't even remember that part in All-Star. lol
@@JaelinBezel Shorter scene, Girl on phone whose therapist is stuck in a commute and she drops the phone off the roof but Supes comes up before she jumps too.
I don’t understand why he made the promise to begin with. He could just have said “I am sorry but I can’t promise that. I know you are in pain right now but I can’t watch someone jump to their deaths without doing something and without knowing you have had the mental health support and other attention from people who love you that you deserve. But I just want to talk, not grab you and take you down like the police are expecting me to”
It’s not like she could have done anything and that would have conveyed he cared like a promise could have. It’s not like doctors and police give promises not to anything on suicide cases. Only reason police would is to stop someone from jumping because they can’t do anything if they do, unlike Superman.
Not gonna lie, this episode has one of my favorite running jokes.
TO BE FAIR, the comic never ACTUALLY implied that Superman would’ve let her die. His lack of a response to the officer is evidence that he wouldn’t. The officer should know that he’d never let her kill herself and Superman is aware of this. He wasn’t going to dignify the man’s question with a response.
Honestly, I was thinking of it as him not being so sure, like how some people interpret Pa Kent’s “maybe” in Man of Steel (you know the scene). Neither scene really portrays it that way (in this comic’s case, the vagueness of his glance is very much up to personal interpretation), but this idea, I believe, would be very possible.
Superman tries to save as many people as he can. He tries to save this woman by trying to convince her to keep going. If he really was so apathetic as to let her jump, chances are, he wouldn’t have even showed up. But the important factor to debate is that, if the woman remains sure she wants to end it all, would saving her anyways just be considered as prolonging her suffering?
Something like that happens in the Incredibles; Someone tries to jump off a building; Mr. Incredible is too late to convince him, so instead, he tries to intercept him midfall, and breaks the guy’s body as a result, ending in a lawsuit. A sticking point in the argument by the man’s lawyer is that he didn’t want to be saved in the first place. Superman probably could’ve saved this woman without any injuries, but the point here is that *she just did not want to be saved.* She probably would’ve hated Superman for not letting her die, especially since he seemed to promise her he wouldn’t stop her if she was sure she’d never have another happy day again.
Something Linkara glosses over is that Superman remarks in the conversation with the suicidal girl that a friend of his had a terminal illness and also chose to take her own life to end her suffering. The idea of letting her make the choice to still jump is likely inspired by that event.
Superman is tries to save as many people as he can. But most of the people he saves *wants* to live. And as for the people who don’t, he tries to spark hope in them to keep them going. If they still can’t, a part of him probably knows that imparting his need for them to live upon them will probably make them even more miserable. And I don’t think Superman would want to make *anyone* more miserable, much less good people.
So yeah. Odds are, Superman would’ve respected her decision to give up, even if it would hurt him greatly to do so.
Saving people from suicide does not make them more miserable. It gives them an opportunity to keep living there are plenty of people alive today who were saved from suicide and are thankful for it.
"Are you mental?" No, he's not. I'm mental and even I KNOW I shouldn't send a kid to a bunch of bloodthirsty gangsters!
"[Superman] will confront problems big AND large."
But does he confront huge problems? Giant problems? Dare I say "Gargantuan" problems?
Or maybe even...
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GINORMOUS?!
Any size of problems! Except colossal problems. Let's not get ridiculous here.
The Gargantuan problems are "over there", and "over there" has to stand for itself.
As long as they aren’t “over there”
I have a question, why didn't Superman do this as Clark? That would make so much more sense, he could carry his wallet and not get harassed by the press.
buck342443 That's exactly what I was thinking! And it still wouldn't hinder his ability to be superman, because he could just change into the costume and do his whole saving people thing.
It really does seem so obvious doesn't it? You would think Superman would want some privacy on this journey, but no, he's gotta be in the lime light? I just don't get it, it makes little to no sense to me.
Plus, he would've avoided that whole "I don't think you can fly" scenario/
Jax Serkies
No kidding, that has to be one of the dumbest things I have every seen in a Superman comic, teaming up the Nesquik Bunny was less embarrassing.
Yeah, at least it made sense for him to be in costume there.
Superman 701 opens iiiiiiin West Philadelphia born and raised on the playground is where I spent most of my days. Chilling out maxing and relaxing all cool and all shooting some b-ball outside the school.
Got in one little fight and the guys got scared
Cuz I committed mass arson and moved the problem over there.
I suffer from depression , and I'm kinda offended by how it's depicted in this comic, especially the cops acting like friggin dumbasses so supes can give some speech about life" not being fair and not being unfair."
Yeah. I see my shrink and take my meds, and just take a day at a time
Mike White that is great man just take it one day at time.if you need to vent about anything at all no matter what it is feel free to hit up my email knight2976@gmail.com ........ stay strong
Mike White It feels like the writer tried to rip off the absolutely heart-warming speech from All-Star Superman where Superman prevents and comforts a suicidal goth from jumping because of her medical issues, I think. While Superman knew he was going to die pretty soon. (I haven't read the comic yet so my information is second-hand.) When Supes is written right, he just spreads the warm and fuzzies like a tornado of hope and comfort.
islamroks11 Like how if thor is written write awesome given flesh.
Marvel and DC should stop being so stuck up and give us superman vs Thor already
That reply Superman gives to the little kid is like something the avarage youtube user would reply on the comments.
In the 2nd season of the 2nd live action "The Tick" show the make parodies of a several Superman moments, such as thinking about making going back in time by making the earth go backwards, and one of the plots is that the "superman" character becomes very whinny that someone unliked him in social media. He starts throwing a fit and then a characters tells him to go for a walk which he does. I didn't know that that was also a parody of a super-moment until now.
Wow and people thought that superman was unheroic in man of steel?
Hey now, all he did was burn people's house and not help anyone
yeah cause it was "over there's" problem
Autobot Productions true true
+Autobot Productions At least that movie had the excuse of "It was his first time, he's kind of a noob at how to not damage everything within a five mile radius of himself." When Linkara states Supes has been doing this for a while to the nigh-universal praise of Metropolis, this lady in 700 is...well...pretty fucking evil turning her husband into a martyr.
UltimaKeyMaster valid point
Just curious as to when this was published in relation to Grant Morrison's All Star Superman. Because damn, that story did the whole Superman talks down a jumper thing a lot better than this.
I think it was released the July 14 2010.
Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful that a locomotive!! Able to walk across Philadelphia Pennsylvania in a single stroll!!! IT''S SUPERMAN!!!!
"God, this one was bad!"
That's how you know Linkara really hates this one, lol.
I am bipolar type 1. Means I am more prone to mania than the depression side of the coin. However, while that gives me symptoms of euphoria, high energy, and honestly makes me more productive, I will always, ALWAYS go into a downward spiral to the utter depths of a void through which no joy can escape...I think I was building to a point or something...oh yeah, I'm manic right now as it so happens with no sleep for the past 3 days. Literally, I have not closed my eyes in over 72hrs, so bear with me as I seem to ramble a touch at this stage in my never-ending cycle of madness. Here is my point: It doesn't matter what sparked the desire to go to the top of a building, you're a serious danger. I can say from multiple suicide attempts, being a jumper is like a huge pain in the ass. I overdosed and split open a vein, but a ten story drop leaves a significantly lower chance of survival. I take...uhh...33% offense to Linkara saying she's wasting people's time if she just wants attention. Because she deserves attention. People in a state that can be talked down from the ledge want someone, anyone to show them that even though life is about as fair as a rigged boxing match, people can always turn the tide. Sometimes the Last Son of Krypton with shitty advice is even better than what we had in our heads.
Also, I keep MY depression away by making it OVER THERE'S problem. But, while I'm told that normal people call that delusional, just like Harley said at the end of Countdown all I really need is my optimistic attitude and a metric fuckton of denial.
True but here's the thing: they never said that she had bipolar. So you could be correct....or you could be wrong.
@@keelanbarron928 If you're freaking out enough to stand on top of a building with intent to jump off, you need help. The woman in the comic was so distraught that she sat up there for hours, unable to make a choice one way or the other. She may have been unable to express the depth of her distress but you don't go that far without being in considerable mental anguish. And it's bullshit to expect that people will always get a diagnosis BEFORE finding themselves on a rooftop, begging for a reason to live. Some people don't realise that their distress is abnormal until after they push over into unsafe behaviour. I didn't realise that my constant fear wasn't normal for a teenager until I caught myself trying to plan my own death to escape it.
@@ArchieRatsworth okay.
@@keelanbarron928 Good job on keeping your own stuff at bay, btw, no matter how you achieve it. If putting your depression further away from your self is how you keep it manageable, that is some interesting self-management.
I hope you find some satisfaction each day, stranger.
You know what would have worked better for Superman vs. the dealers? If he just super-speed grabbed all the drugs and torched them in front of them. What would the dealers do, threaten to sue?
If he set them ablaze, wouldn't that just get everyone present high on the fumes?
He has multiple powers that could solve that. He could probably destroy the particles with heat vision, freeze it with his breath, inhale it all, blow it all way away or even do that by acting as a huge fan instead.
You know what would have worked even better? Superman meets with the police and tells them he has an idea. Later, he walks back into the neighbourhood where the drug dealers are and says he's giving them one last chance to clear out and get their lives back on track. When they puff up their chests at him and say Superman can't touch them because there isn't any proof that they've got drugs, Superman reveals his idea: He tells the dealers that he's seen all their stashes with his X-Ray vision and that in his hand is a signal watch like what Jimmy Olsen uses. Once he's found the stashes, he'll activate the watch, which the police are tuned into the frequency of, and they'll come by, find the stashes for themselves, and arrest the dealers. Of course, the dealers will try to kill Superman with knives and guns like a bunch of idiots, which will lead to some classic imagery of bullets bouncing off his chest and a knife breaking in his open hand. Superman would then incapacitate the dealers for attempted assault and a few minutes later, the police would arrive and do exactly what Superman said they would.
This way would have worked much better because it shows not only that Superman genuinely cares about everyone enough to even give a bunch of drug-peddling scumbags a chance to become good, but that he's actually pretty smart and capable of still winning by staying within the constraints of the law.
Of course I'm sure any decent lawyer would try to argue that the stashes could've been planted there by Superman himself when he placed the signal watches but somehow I doubt the jury would buy that.
JMS also wrote a ton of the best episodes of The Real Ghostbusters cartoon show
You know you’ve messed up when Deadpool handles a jumper better. Then again Deadpool himself suffers from depression and has been shown to be suicidal. So he might actually be one of the better guys to do so.
My interpretation of the scene where the cop asks Superman if he would have let the suicidal woman jump was that Superman was so shocked by the stupidity of the question that he couldn't think of a way to properly explain how much stupid was in it and decided that it was better to just leave before the cop's stupidity started rubbing off on him.
Florence B Stupid would have been asking "So would you have caught her if she jumped?", as it is he's asking if he would have stopped her from jumping, not if he would have stopped her from hitting.
6:16 To be fair, What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way hinted at Superman having this ability when he uses it to disable Manchester Black's psychic power. But at the end of the story, he explained that it was temporary, so Linkara's point still stands. However, I might be forgetting something because I haven't read that comic in a while.
It been a while since I read the comic. But to this comics very little credit, I believe that the woman was the last straw that made Superman go on the walk. He very well could’ve been thinking about it before, and the woman was the last straw that made him go on the walk.
i actually have watched babylon 5 its one of my favorite sci fi shows -how the hell did this happen. This guy used to write good speeches for characters facing down what were aliens that had become beings of pure energy -he told them off for being idiots and acting selfishly and not even knowing why they were even doing what the hell they had been doing for thousands of years which involved a proxy war between the two. Also im also very fond of several lines from B5 -my favorite i don't know if its his but "if your falling of a mountain you may as well try and fly, you have nothing left to loses"
Ah. Superman adopting the Patrick Star method to problem solving.
Now I want someone to draw Superman fighting an ALASKAN BULL WORM.
You know, if it had been her husband dying from new krypton shit that was happening it might actually make more sense, like the scene in civil war where the woman confronts tony about her son. It would give context to the events that happened and might make superman feel like he had lost touch with people and had been reckless etc.
It's sad that the set up " Superman going across America, not in a grand heroic quest for peace, but a simple walk and occasionally helping with people's issues big and small" is an interesting idea and has potential to be a decent story, but the writing just fucking ruins it.
"Grounded" got a lot better when JMS left and someone else started writing it.
So why don't we take that bad writing and push it "over there"? That solves everything!
@@louthegiantcookie they did- it turned out that Superman was having a mental breakdown, and actually that almost of the strangers he met were actually nice to him but he was misinterpreting it through a combination of the mental breakdown and external psychic interference- this included plenty of the people being perfectly reasonable, who it turned out were actually fawning over him.
You know, the more you think about the "Over There" thing, the worse it gets.
Recall what prompted Superman's walk across America. A woman calls him out for not helping her with her problems. Ignoring her selfishness, the reason Supes started this walk was because he felt he didn't look out for everyone and needed to reconnect with the people he was protecting. He started this journey because he felt he hadn't done enough to look out for "Over There." And now, he's saying the exact opposite, thus undermining this whole story arc in the first friggin issue. At least with the New Guardians when they undermined their book, the women could still pass on their superior genes to future generations, even if it was through normal people and not the male members of the team. But the "Over There" speech basically tells everyone "Yeah, we're wasting your time."
I feel like the situation with the jumper better highlights a failure on the police's part than Superman's confusing arguments. The police were there. They should have been able to at least partially control the situation.
Is it just me or... Or was JMS writing Superman like a less funny version of The Tick?
Actually, Superman did demonstrate his medical expertise in the animated movie Superman vs. the Elite, in one of the downright scariest Superman moments I have ever seen where we thought he had gone batshit crazy! He used his X-ray vision to detect the abnormality in the main villain Manchester's brain, then shot a microscopic burst of heat vision through Manchester's pupils and lobotomized him to take away his powers.
That was actually the worst part of the movie: that's the same kind of no-nonsense solution the Elite would use. The comic handled it much much better, where Superman said that he had lobotomized it, but after the fight was over, Supes revealed he'd never lobotomize someone like that; he only concussed the organ.
dlausactor6373 (He actually didn't do that, he just temporarily disabled them with the impact on the brain being minimal, because Superman would never lobotomize someone)
+paperbackwriter1111 He did do it in the film. I'm actually OK with that - he's doing nothing to them but take away their powers and lock them up. I wouldn't put that on the same level as the Elite killing people.
In the comic, he didn't actually do that; he just said he did. (Though I, too, would have no problem with him actually doing that.) In the world of the comics, there's no reason for her (or us) to think Superman can actually perform surgery with his heat vision.
He didn’t lobotomize Black. He hit him with a quick shot of heat vision aimed at the part of his brain that controlled his powers, nullifying them temporarily until he could be put on psi dampeners. What he said to Black about “cutting out” a part of his brain that “looked nasty” was a bit of reverse psychology. He wanted Black to think for a minute about how it would actually feel if Superman did let loose and act like he and his team did.
Some notes:
I wonder why Superman decided he'd do this walk in full Superman outfit rather than as, well, Clark Kent, who is a relative unknown to anyone who isn't a journalist or whatever, and he can connect with people on a more personal level as an apparent equal. Wouldn't be hounded by reporters and shit asking him what he's doing.
And on that note, I understand why he doesn't do a press conference to say he's basically on vacation, considering it would encourage villains to organize for some nefarious projects while he's away and out of the picture.
Linkara. I think you should do the next issue for the grounded arc. That's the most well known issue from this arc and also the most hated the last time I checked. It's astounding the amount of wrong that issue had.
What did it do?
KidSnivy69 Do really want to know? It's kinda of spoilers and I wanna be sure you're okay with spoilers.
Robo - Nidai
I have no interest in reading this story personally, so I don't care
KidSnivy69 Okay. So aliens land on Earth because their planet was taken over by a tyrant. Superman meets them and berates them for illegal immigration. I repeat! Superman, AN ALIEN, is berating other aliens for immigrating to earth!
Robo - Nidai
This entire storyline seems to be made of stupid
Superman almost went full Homelander in this issue 😄 also I like how the 'leaving Philadelphia' sign in in the middle of a neighborhood instead of on the freeway.
The “Over There” speech had a good message...buried under TERRIBLE WORDING.
I think what he meant was, we remove them from here. Then they go somewhere else, and they’ll remove them too, and over and over until there’s nowhere else for them to go, and then they’ll stop what they’re doing, because there’s no place for it.
And together, we create a place without their influence.
It’s a child’s understanding of “ If we all say No, they’ll have to go away”.
OVER THERE!
OVER THERE!
SEND THE WORD, SEND THE WORD, OVER THERE!
THAT THE YANKS ARE COMING, THE YANKS ARE COMING!
THE DRUMS RUM-TUMMIN. EVERYWHERE!
The arc actually got "better" when JMS left to concentrate on Earth One series and Chris Roberson took over, making the run readable and explained why Superman was acting so out of character. Makes you wonder what a full Chris Roberson run without forced story ideas of another writer would've been like if he stayed on the title unfortunately Flashpoint happened and Roberson refuses to work for DC (or Marvel) over their mistreatment of creator rights.
Only reason it's set in Philadelphia is for Superman to get a cheesesteak
Superman was completely in the right to treat the asshole who stuck a mic in his face and called him a liar ON CAMERA like he did.
6:16 Yes, Supreman does have that power. In "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?" he performs neurosurgery on Manchester Black's brain using heat vision focused through the lens in his cornea based on using his x-ray vision to find an anomaly in his brain. I assume she's referencing that because he did it and explained what he did during a live TV broadcast hooked in to every screen on the planet.
Also, she's grieving over the loss of her husband. Lashing out at people who could have stopped it but didn't (even if they actually couldn't) is a very natural grief reaction.
Auto repair... And suddenly I'm thinking of the Bicycle Repair Man sketch from Monty Python.
Though, yeah, agree on Superman being willing to help with everyday problems.
I really do like the parts where Superman does these minor chores-I like the idea of a superhero who helps people by more ways than punching evil people./
Linkara also has the same opinion (stay tuned for the 300th episode for more on that) ;)
0:50 Linkara's devilish grin will forever haunt my nightmares. Thank you for that!
I feel like he's gonna brutally assault Quesada and then wag his finger at JMS for that story. But hey, they ruined a cool superhero, have yet to properly undo OMD and manage to insult people who get into escapist fictional products.
I'm glad Lewis was humble enough to later apologize for being unsympathetic to the woman thinking of suicide.
That being said, there is a problem with how JMS wrote her dialogue here imo - this idea that we all "wanted to do great things" and "save the world" when we left school. Most people lose that type of thinking very quickly and I doubt it's the cause of most people feeling disillusioned later in life. I think it comes more from the sense that there's so little meaning in life. In 100 years, all of us will be dead, and there might be a handful of people who still remember us (if we're lucky) and even that will dissappear shortly after. All the trials and hardships we went through won't mean anything, and everything will eventually end without achieving a sense of fulfillment or purpose.
This can be the result of wanting to do great things, but it's not like you have to save the world to be happy.
Honestly, the way she was written here reminds me of that "gamer" Peter Parker in One More Day feeling like he was owed a better future because he couldn't do all the great things he wanted.... leads me to think JMS likely did write that part of the comic unfortunately
Superman doesn't go to Gotham because the city is too caothic and only Batman can do something: 👎
Superman doesn't go to Gotham because Gotham is over there: 👍
After watching this review (and the later reference to this review in Linkara's next screw-ups video) I actually reimagined the jumped scene featuring my own characters. It's amazing how easy it is to portray both the superhero and the jumper in a more relatable light. The jumper simply asks "Are you going to catch me if I fall?" and the hero says "Yes; of course I will," so the jumper says "Well; I'll wait until you go away." The superhero's response is that they talk to the person - a little small talk might help distract them and make them more likely to respond to questions - and then remind them of what they have to live for; their friends and family, their hobbies and passions, and with Superman's speed; once he knows that she has friends willing to help her; he goes and finds them and brings them to her; have them talk her down as they know her better than anyone else. No need to speechify and make her feel worse and then wait well into the night for her to finally get bored. If Superman said what he said in this comic to me; I'd just say "Screw you Superman" and jump, and if he does catch me; I'll just find another building to jump off of when he's not around. Finally; I know Lewis apologised for his apparent "lack of sympathy" in the aforementioned video, so I won't rant about my feelings on that matter, although rewatching this; he wasn't that critical in the first place so I don't think actual hate was needed in the first place, but regardless of one's opinions on Superman and superhero morality concerning life and death, if I were on that rooftop and Superman came to talk to me, I would not want him to catch me, and I'd be pissed if he did.
Remember the speech from the end of Superman IV, the "only when people demand peace will it be given to them" speech? The "over there" speech was trying to say the same thing, except significantly worse, which I didn't think was possible.
What if superman, instead of that idiotic "over there" line, simply said something along the lines of "Then I'll run them out of there too." or just said something really corny like "Then you be sure to notify the authorities. Communications and confidence with law enforcement is the backbone of any good, honest, law abiding community. Now, go home, young man. It's a school night." I think just about any cheesy "Superman is a total boy scout and that's a good thing" type option would be better than "Eh that's their problem."
you...are absolutely right
this, saying "Then I'll run them out of there too" reminds me of what he said to Manchester Black on "What's so funny about Truth Justice and the American Way", about how he'll fight evil over and over until they get the message
@@matehiqu9905 Honestly, lines like that are the perfect opportunity for a writer to show that they understand the character. When they don't, it's worrying that they got the assignment in the first place.
I mean... I could see Superman letting her jump... but at the same time, I think that he would *also* stop her from hitting the ground... technically keeping his word, while still not letting her die.
And all too often, someone who is deeply depressed or anxious (or both) need people to *listen* to them. I've been there (not the suicide part, the needing someone to listen due to depression) many times over the decades >__
Surprising, as JMS also wrote Superman: Earth One, one of my favorite Superman books ever.
“Over there”
Supes is in S. Philly.
“Over there” is probably Camden, NJ.
Well, crap. Screw you too, Superman!
PS: those cheesesteaks on South Street ARE hella expensive...
I can think of a better way for Superman to have handled the drug dealers: Before he goes into the drug neighbourhood, he talks with the police and obtains a special phone that he can use to call the police. Cut ahead to the part of the drug dealer scene where Superman says that he's found all their stashes with his x-ray vision. At that point, he says, "You're right, it doesn't. But I can call the police and get them to raid these houses in order to find the stashes, which are admissible in court", pulling out the phone. As the drug dealers pull out guns and knives, we get the always-iconic scene of bullets bouncing off Superman. He also grabs a knife-blade in his free hand and twists it in half. He then activates the phone, the police arrive, the drugs are found, and the dealers are arrested. The child then thanks Superman, Superman says "You're welcome" and he continues his walk.
Well said.
Grant morrison had superman help a suicidal person too and thet came at it from the perspective of a person who actually related to depression to the point where it saved my life
Note to self. Never ask Superman why he's walking.
If you guys want a good Superman comic written by Straczynski look out for Superman Earth One, is actually pretty good.
32:50 - Thank you, thank you for pointing that out! It drives me crazy that people build Thoreau up to be a great civil protester or American philosopher or something equally wonderful when he was really a spoiled, pretentious brat making a show of having "principles" in the full awareness that he was sacrificing nothing... Come to think of it, Superman in this comic was a lot like Thoreau. Kudos to JMS, I guess.
ReneeMontoya12 Thoreau is so far up his own ass that even the English teachers that were required to assign us his book basically said that they would only have us read two chapters from it, I think so that we could see why his philosophy is nonsense.
ReneeMontoya12 god, Thoreau makes me want to smash my head into things. His writings were just walls and walls and walls of text that are filled with self aggrandizing bullshit
@@joanthetraveler3482 Your teachers were better than mine, then. We had to read "Civil Disobedience" from an uncritical perspective. Thankfully, since we all had free will, most of us figured out that it was bullshit.
Correct me if I'm wrong but, I think Philly cheese steaks are just called cheese steaks in Philadelphia.
They're often just called cheesesteaks outside of Philly as well. It's sort of redundant considering there aren't rival versions from other cities like with other regional specialties.
Ok it's just that in the comic the waitress said Philly cheese steak.
Donzy213 yeah, it's pretty ridiculous.
27:55 I mean, John Lennon was an ass who preached peace but didn't practice it, Gadaffi staged a revolution, but then did some good as a leader, before turning into a lunatic, while JFK was a cheat, a womanizer, and the reason that the Cuban Missile Crisis happened, so the point is...? When two of your examples of good, just people are also jerks, maybe you don't have a point. Also, I still quote that "Over There" speech all the time. Dumb as it is, it's an iconic Superman moment.
Funny story. Superman does have advanced medical training but only in the silver age. He cured a girl's blindness after reading a bunch of medical textbooks in a day. He didn't use heat vision at any point though.
JMS also helped make the Real Ghostbusters, which we can agree is his greatest contribution
It's hard to believe that he wrote Real Ghostbusters and Bablyon 5 AND also wrote this and One More Day. Guess some people aren't always good writers.
@@TareltonlivesYeah, plenty of good writers are just as capable of writing garbage stories. For instance, Jeph Loeb wrote some of the best DC Comics, such as Batman: The Long Halloween/Dark Victory, Superman: For All Seasons and Hush, but his stuff with Marvel tended to range from divisive to outright *horrible* . Tom King's written some pretty good books such as Mister Miracle, The Vision, Strange Adventures and Rorschach, but also wrote one of the most divisive runs of Batman, alongside the universally reviled Heroes in Crisis. Even Alan Moore's written a few duds in his otherwise iconic writing career (Neonomicon is the first title I can think of that comes to mind). Basically, just because a writer has written some bad stories doesn't automatically make them a bad writer, it just means nobody's perfect.
Frankly, as someone who is bipolar, Supes "pep talk" would just make me jump off
+Tareltonlives Oh, and Dennis Leary can go STRAIGHT to hell
+Tareltonlives life sucks, get a fucking helmet.
@@thomasjenkins7506 Not with Linkara on this?
@@thomasjenkins7506 Now that is edgy
As far as i can tell the whole "superman could have removed my husband's tumor" thing might be a reference to "whats so funny about truth, justice and the American way" or superman vs the elite, for those more familiar with the movie. And yes Linkara reviewed it already i know
What i mean is in that story superman supposedly gave Manchester Black a lobotomy by shooting his heat vision through his eyes
though it was revealed pretty much right after that all superman did was give the dude a concussion so even if it IS a reference, its a damn stupid one
I got seriously angry at Linkara questioning suicidal person's possible depression. Hello there, Linkara, didn't you read that her mom just died? Developed countries have counselors on staff specifically because this is a very real risk for dead person's relatives to commit suicide. And she seems very young, at an age when burying your parents is NOT normal or smth you're ready to deal with. There don't seem to be any other family members around either, so she's likely feeling crushingly lonely. And yes, that would've popped a question, is the lonely life of only work worth it. She NEEDED help, she's not an attention seeker
Yeah, that was my screw-up. I'm sorry about that and I made an apology on my mistakes list later: ruclips.net/video/RsnisRwecjg/видео.htmlsi=S-L9mYtq8bMJzASM&t=2246
I just realized that fat guy with a beard kinda looks like Kevin Smith.
Without getting into the specifics of this story, it does make me consider a question. Suppose you were a person who naturally had the talents to serve your community and make it a better place, such as a politician, or a police officer. But rather than indulge in these talents, your personal desire is to serve in a lesser capacity, like a plumber or a secretary. The question here is should you be allowed to follow the career path you want, or do you owe it to your community to serve it in whatever capacity you're best able? Where do you draw the line between the right to personal happiness and duty to the community?
This makes me think of Spider-Man and Uncle Ben's death. It seems he is not supposed to serve in a lesser capacity because then people will die,
Superdickery LIVES!
DeathPaladin02 Reminds me of Hancock...
You'd think having such a close relationship with at least a couple reporters, Superman would know how to give interesting answers for interviews. (Even without tipping that he's an actual reporter in his secret identity.)
This comic exemplifies how imposing real world laws and logic into a superhero universe is stupid. Cause in a world with superheroes, especially someone like Superman, the world runs differently and trying to impose our world onto a fictional one won't mesh right. Superman could've grabbed the drug dealers and their drugs in less then a minute, ran them to the police and said "here's the drug dealers and their stashes. Their finger prints are all over them and I held the drugs with my cape, so my hands are clean. Have them arrested, I'm Superman. Goodbye."
JMS was still damn good at writing The REAL Ghostbusters.
In All-Star Superman, Superman was effectively dying for most of the comic. He was living life to his fullest and trying to do as much as he could. In one scene, he stopped to comfort a teenage girl contemplating suicide. Talking her back from the brink. How? Because it's never as bad as she thought, and she was stronger than she thought she was.
So it's totally okay that Superman destroyed Metropolis and killed Zod because when he flies away, it's OVER THERE, which can fix itself
THE WRITER OF BABYLON 5, EVERYONE! Seriously, what the hell, JMS?
@@Tareltonlives Everyone screws up every now and then.
30:50 I don’t think the implication is that he would’ve let her die. I think it’s that maybe he would’ve let her jump, but he’d almost instantly catch her. It would’ve still probably felt out of character for Supes but I think the idea would’ve been that the second she jumps, she would instantly regret it. Literally scare her straight I guess.
You know... when there's a weird line in a story, I like to put the puzzle pieces together to figure out what the author meant. The "And good riddance" line from Superman: Distant Fires, yeah, it's silly, but I get it. The writer was trying to say that Superman is such a positive character that even without the powers he can see a bright future. I still to this day have no idea what they were trying to say with the whole "That problem is over there".
I think he was trying to say that he can't be everywhere at once and we need to build stable systems... I THINK.
"I didn't get out of highschool thinking I'd save the world..."
maybe not, but you've saved, let's see...at this point...Insano...Vyce...Mechacara twice...the Entity...Silent Hill three times...let's round it off and say ten times?
So it took J. Michael Straczynski several pages and lots of inane dialogue to set the scene of Superman preventing a woman from unaliving herself, and it's just another stupid part of his disastrous run with the character. Meanwhile Grant Morrison was able to do it with just 1 page, 5 panels, and only four sentences of dialogue, and it's one of the most iconic Superman moments ever.
“Moammar Kaddafi is still alive”
“Castro is alive”
“Manson keeps hanging in there”
Not anymore!