MedCircle Omgoodness... it’s sooo good to see you again Kyle! I used to be a part of The Kittle Fam on Periscope! Congrats- you are so great at this Kyle & I’m so happy for you! And it was so great to see ur handsome face pop up in my recommendations! I will definitely be binge watching MedCircle now!🤗❤️
The attitudes of the past are only outdated because they didn’t go far enough. I do not tolerate members of my generation that don’t live up to my standards and neither should anyone else. Any sign of mental illness should be treated with severe intolerance. That would end the problem.
It's because the older generation horded all the resources/jobs/opportunities, while bitching at the younger generation "We ain't worth a damn". So most younger people end up working shitty factory jobs, and feeling like worthless components of society.
Generic Channel To pinpoint it to one or two reasons is massively oversimplifying the issue. In reality it’s likely a mix of the points you stated along with more (philosophical, sociological, economical, political, psychological).
@@manuj2868 yeah, you hit the nail on the head. Way too much exposure to emerging manipulative technologies, horrible clickbaity news cycles, hyperconsumerist sentiments and flex culture, and constant reminders of how their generation has it easy and they should be grateful while constantly being reminded of their doomed future. It’s rough on kids
I'm sorry, but from my experience, the older generations have a TON of undiagnosed mood disorders and PTSD. Just because they didn't seek the help of a therapist don't mean that they didn't lash out on everyone around them. Look at divorce rates of older generations. Look at anger issues and spousal abuse. Look how fucked up the views of older people is on what it means to live together. I've heard more than once from boomers who never were near a therapist telling me how they want to kill themselves if not for kids and they just drop this in normal conversations. The older generation is depressed and they let it out in uncontrolled anger and give it to the next gen
Cwispy Face 😂 I don’t have enough respect to say “no offence” so I’m just going to lay it on you 1. You can’t say something is always bad because that’s what everyone else does, and respect other people’s game preference 2. Don’t insult other generations because you don’t agree with their values and preferences 3. Don’t assume everyone is going through the same thing and say something like “your generation is horrible” 4. Understand somebody else’s point of view before you comment something stupid 5. If you don’t want to be called a boomer don’t say “respect your elders” or “your generation sucks” it will really help Thank you for your unconditional time ✌️🌱
@Cwispy Face also you ask for respect well *(ELDERS SHOULD GIVE RESPECT TO TEENS IF THEY WANT RESPECT LIFE WORKS BOTH WAYS)* you receive what you give bud feel free to insult me since it seems that's your biggest way to answer in a conversation. also you claim to be pretty much older but you sure as shit don't act like it. Edit: To end it off just wanna say stop playing the mature old person and the all knowing and stop arguing with kids you ridiculed yourself enough mate. Your kind people need to be put in their place with *(LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE)*
My 39 year old son told his 13 year old son that he never had a cell phone when he was that age and his response was " That's because they weren't invented yet!"
The older generation horded all the resources/jobs/opportunities, while bitching at the younger generation "You ain't worth a damn". So most younger people end up working shitty factory jobs, and feeling like worthless components of society, a society that now dissapearing do to lockdowns & big Tech companies, there's no places to go a meeting people interested in the same things as you, all the cool old interesting small businesses that use to bring communities together are now vacant buildings.
I wonder if the increase in depression is a more accurate representation of mental health issues in younger people because Gen Z are open about their struggles. I should have been in therapy as a teenager, and so should have most of my friends. Countless Millennials and Gen Xers have been diagnosed much later with ADHD, depression, and anxiety. They're finally getting treatment, and many had to reach a major crisis to get help. Gen Z is very smart to start the conversation now. I think they're going to do great things in the future.
xfortunesquex From someone born in the early sixties, and was crying out for support as a teen, I like to discuss these issues with various younger generations! Your insights are important, and I know you can offer a great perspective on what you feel will be beneficial! I'm advocating for better mental healthcare! We need ALL the young voices! I'm going try to repost!
Oh I agree. I was born in the early 80’s and had a lot of struggles and trauma growing up. The new generation is so open with their feelings now. Abuse is also taken much more seriously. Everyone just swept my issues ‘under the rug’ and 25 years later, I was at breaking point because I was conditioned to always keep everything to myself. That showing emotions was a weakness. It’s how our parents were raised. That’s just not healthy. It’s good that people are not as ashamed.
I feel like depression is increasing because of how competitive the society is getting, we are pressured to do our best but also are expected to be perfect
If you called today's society competitive, what more back then. When food and necessities are scarce. People have wars for literally just "salt". Lands are fought for.The slavery, the social class divisions, etc. Inshort it's not the competition, but the thing that is being competed for. We live in an age of social media. Everybody competes to be as "perfect" as possible. That's a crown no one will take home.
Is it an actual increase in mood disorders, suicide, self harm or is it an increase in visibility? With the internet, it's so much easier to share our struggles and the younger generation (me included) find it more acceptable to admit/express/share that struggle. And I think it's a good thing in that you know that you're not alone.
First no one listens My mom says that you don't have stress or depression My brother don't even listens to me I don't have a father I'm completely done
It's not a good thing if you can't afford the health care for therapy. The US is way behind all the other western countries by not having universal health care.
I mean, I couldn't even talk to my parents about my mental health without them getting angry. I think it's the destigmatizing of depression that increases the reported cases.
@@the_red_wolf8244 No one said medication is the only answer to mental illness 🙄 but you need to find SOME answer for it. Some people respond well to meds. Some people don’t. We just need to find the best solution for whoever is afflicted by a mental illness.
I absolutely agree. We can’t compare how it was to how it is now. That’s completely unfair and very invalidating to anyone who’s going through a hard time right now. Your feelings are valid and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
@@henrynguyen829 lmfao. global warming isn't driving depression rates higher. what does "deal with global warming" even mean lol. how have you "dealt" with global warming .... name one single time your life was altered because of the climate. lmao
@@scott.j.belton You're right, mental health stigma is what is driving the depression rates higher, oh and lack of physical activity. Don't blame young generations for all the world problems.
If you don't overprotect there is always someone ready to run to CPS to report you or call the police now. My parents generation could relax because people and laws were more relaxed. By today's standard my mother and grandmother would have been in trouble with the law and they are/were great parents IMO.
Heres a bit of explanation for the waygen Z acts: We usually have depression or anxiety because of the stress from the other generations or that most of us come from broken families. My mother put pressure on me so much that I broke. Once I broke down in the car, begging her to stop yelling. We cant look our parents in the eye because we are scared. I'm scared to do so. It hurts not being able to talk to your parents because *THEY* are the ones that go and post your pictures, and status on social media without your permission. I do agree some of us spend too much time indoors, but it is the other generations fault they made it so all we needed was there. *We* didn't create technology, smartphones, wifi, or games. All we did was get lured into *their* trap.
Millennial, here. I think technology has exposed us all.. And your generation unfortunately had a window to see all the truths of life at such a young age.. That window being the Internet. The world has always been ugly. Y'all were just exposed to it at such a young age. You'll soon see we are all human, we try our best.. It's up to each generation to try and improve humanity for the next generation. And as humans, we have, continue to do so, and will - - fuck up.
And we are constantly treated like the generation of the last like the boomers need to realize that yes we were the same age, we were all 15 but at a different time. The pressure of having an unstable family structure is so pressuring especially when your friends have such a perfect life, having the newest phones the biggest house the fastest car the lives our parents lives plays a big toll on our mental health Also love how they never mentioned things that affect people from africa who's parents MIGHT raise them with physical discipline, and how they never talked about Asian source of depression.
@@mjohnson1741 It is not just paycheck to paycheck. Much of the young generation is unlikely to own a house no matter which job they get. But they are expected to. This is the same issue in most of the world. What the older generations expect does not match up with reality of what is possible for most.
Yeah because you arent supposed to get a house, transportation, electricity, internet, a bed, bathroom, a pet, a phone, and entertainment because you work a cash register.
Social media and economic stressors. Social media portrays everyone in this perfect light. We have too much access to people's personal lives: Who's getting married, who's a home owner, who's having kids, who has their perfect dream job, etc. A lot of people are over worked and underpaid, working two jobs just to make ends meet. People are more isolated than ever before because everyone's so lazy and prefers to swipe for friendships. Friendships are only for pics for the gram, nothing of substance. No, I'm not surprised the suicide rates are up...
It's also physical activity. I've researched it and usually social media just causes worsened for disorders it doesn't really cause disorders. Also every is up high because there's more people being honest about it and not hiding it due to fear.
I only partially disagree. I still believe a lot of gen z still values real friends over fake ones or virtual ones. Social media just allows for faster and smarter forms of communication.
I’m 23 and still have occasional phases of pretty extreme depression. My stressors are mostly economical. Even if I want to learn skills, it’s so expensive and risky, not to mention time consuming, that despite the fact I’ve wanted to change my life... it’s just not happening.
I can relate so much. I hope so much we can find our way out of this mess. I hate money. I hate how everyone just goes along with everything like powerless and would rather work their whole life to fulfill someone elses dream. Maybe i think too highly of myself. But i’m so tried of this slavery and I don’t know how much longer I can deal with all the evil in the world
@Darby O'Hara Those can / may lead to even more stress/ problems, for what it is worth. I think no matter what, this society/ way of life is very unnatural compared to what humans previously flourished in (hunter gatherers in close tribal units who constantly accepted each other usually I bet, and surrounded by natural nature) and this whole "You should be happier than all youe ancestors combined, you have internet access and warm water on tap, blah blah ungrateful shame on you!" Is a myth. I can probably delve into why but think I've said enough lol Oh yeah, but meant to say because of that, think we Should cut ourselves slack. Life nowadays is tough, no matter who we are. In a multitude or another of ways
@@MasterTSayge don’t let the world change you man, take action and change the world starting by your attitude towards tomorrow and remember you have the power to change your environment if not that definitely have the power to react to it in a positive manner
I’m a Young Millennial. What I admire about Older Gen Z is that most of them want to own or rent a home at a early age, that’s what I have in common with them. 😎
Dark Rose Reaper I’m 22 and I’m in that grey area of older gen z and young millennials. I’m old enough to clearly remember before smart phones came along but also at the same time grew up with smart phones. It’s weird age to be. But yeah I mostly relate to millennials than gen z
Tony Engardio I can understand that. I’m 24 years old, I consider myself one of the last Young Millennials. I remember a time before the original Bluetooth Mobile Phone (2000) & PS2 (2000) were popular. So yeah I do consider Older Generation Z to be a little younger than myself, but I admire their strengths. 🙂
I agree, we usually have depression or anxiety because of the stress from the other generations or that most of us come from broken families. My mother put pressure on me so much that I broke. Once I broke down in the car, begging her to stop yelling. We cant look our parents in the eye because we are scared. I'm scared to do so. It hurts not being able to talk to your parents because *THEY* are the ones that go and post your pictures, and status on social media without your permission. I do agree some of us spend too much time indoors, but it is the other generations fault they made it so all we needed was there. *We* didn't create technology, smartphones, wifi, or games. All we did was get lured into *their* trap.
Galixy Fox Oh man that’s not good. It seems social media is causing mental health issues to some of Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, & Boomers. I honestly preferred the era before there was too much tech & social media. During that time adults & kids were more extroverted, many Millennial kids were consistently hanging out in person...
I'm a 19 year old that's been dealing with depression for a long time now and I'm still asking myself why am I so depressed? I have little to no excuse I have just about everything I need or want with people that love me and want the best for me. Yet I'm still depressed. Many people have it way worse than I do and actually may have, what I feel anyways, are legitimate reasons for being depressed. (Like the guy in the video without the glasses I guess)
I have the same situation. The truth is, a life without challenges that you personally care about, isn't worth living. If you have everything you ever wanted, why live on? That's what we think deep down within us. Just look at every rich person there is. They are all extremely depressed. From a certain perspective, we probably have it the worst. We want to die (at least I do) but can't because we do not want to ruin the lives of those who love us deeply. Life at the peak is terrible. I hope that no person ever reaches their dreams in life, for they will realise how utterly hollow they will become once they've reached everything they wanted.
100+ years ago admitting to any kind of mental disorder would have stigmatized the entire family so who would even have permitted a child or spouse to be evaluated? 100+ years ago no one had the money for a psychiatrist and medicine had no solutions for depression or anything else.
A lot of young people have bad education (because of many reasons) and then they don’t get a job. Failure in school and failure in the working world makes them depressed, too.
Helicopter parenting, lack of sport and exercise, lack of questioning of fellow peers, parents that contribute to building unrealistic expectations from life, no restrictions on phone time and social media. All easily corrected.
My thing on why Gen Z, my generation, is so depressed is the world we were born in. We live in a broken world, constant fighting in the Middle East, school shootings as a monthly occurrence, the impending danger of Global Warming, the stupidity of some of the extreme people out there, and now general global isolation due to Covid-19, just to name a few. We live in a world where all the messes of the past have been dumped onto Us, the responsibility of those messes being cleaned up dumped onto Us. We are a generation where all the information on the world is available and being thrown at us in the worst possible way, the perfect and the extraordinarily bad front and center ready to put us down, and everyone expects Us to do everything right with the weight of the world on our shoulders. No wonder we have more depression, no wonder we have more suicide, we are expected to do all that and are then are turned away when we inevitably fail.
And I think the problem is that you think that's true, but it's not, and nobody tells you the truth. There have been entire generations of young people who have fought wars over issues going back several generations. There were entire generations that lived through threats of world war, radiation contamination, endless famines, threat of nuclear war. There are even entire generations that have already lived and still live the threat of climate change, but you believe that everything happens to you and no one has ever had it so bad. You are wrong, and those who are not telling you this are doing you a disservice.
I just want to live in a small community, grow my own food, and make art but no, I have to fix climate change, work, go to school, feel guilty for not being good enough at anything, and live in constant fear and misery due to paralyzing uncertainty and trust issues.
I really love this topic. I get a lot of hardship as a Millenial too, from the Baby Boomers (ages ~50-60) and even worse from the prior generations (60+). I could only imagine the resent shown towards gen Z and the alienation they must feel. I find myself relating to both worlds, growing up without the internet and then coming of age along with it, and now being an adult within this technological age. One of the biggest disconnects I find between younger and older generations is the notion of access to information and how it is used to shape our perspectives and beliefs about the world and other people. Older gens grew up with much more limited access, relying on school, tv or written media, and books. It took much more time to learn as their information took longer to deliver, research, and afford access to. Naturally, they took in the lessons that they were given and ran with them, allowing the fragments of information available at that time to become the basis of their entire worldview. Many of them continue to believe that learning still works this way, so they are unintentionally ignorant off the level of accessibility to information, emotionality, global perspective, and speed of learning at which the younger gens are accustomed to today. Our youth are getting smarter much faster and have more to be emotional about, given the constant flow of & access to the internet of things. Then these kids are left with all this knowledge they are trying to make sense of, but their parents don't relate to that in their own experience of being a youth and so they have a hard time accepting the global perspective and seeing the youth's knowledge as valid when they refer to the internet for their source of information. Our youth are feeling immense pressure over their heads because they develop a global awareness and concern for the issues of the world long before they are actually able to do anything about them, especially when their worries and knowledge are not taken seriously by those who are raising them.
I have to say 💭 though, not all the information on the internet is accurate. So the knowledge is not as relative as it should or can be. Not everything that is posted on the internet is a true source. And yes the availability of information can be a burden, but it is how you critique it with sources that can help it be more useful.
@@everadz I agree, I think information overload is a huge problem but much of the information is false, and this"knowledge" gives a certain arrogance to many who grew up with the internet when debating, I don't know if they still teach the Socratic Method in schools, if so I certainly don't see it used much during discussion anymore.
@@nedi1150 Any form of education is consequential and there seems to be less and less consequence to the amount of knowledge out there. As Stan Lee said, "With great power comes great responsibility." I reciprocating to your response Nedi, and that the lack of responsibility of the information shows the lack of responsibility which all people should be held accounted for, not just one generation. All generations need to stop supporting these barriers and become an element of one. Borderizing who is what and who is not only reinforces what the system has already created, internal division.
@@everadz I agree, and to clarify, I'm not at all blaming any one generation, I am 38 and was 20 when I got my first phone, I was 25 when I owned my first laptop and 27 when I had the first internet connection that wasn't dial-up, I can't imagine what it is like to have played games online as a toddler and grow up using the internet to talk to friends outside of school, to research homework and to connect and game with strangers around the world and they have no idea what it was like to grow up only being able to talk to your friends only at school, research your homework in encyclopedias, get irregular letters from penpals, finally play snake on a mobile phone at the age of 20 and be amazed.... It was my 21st birthday when Twin Towers9/11 happened, live phone calls conflicted with live news, friends from the UK watching their live BBC news said Building 7 had collapsed while across the water in Ireland(and rest of world), live news did not, then 20 minutes later building 7 collapsed live, conspiracies aside whatever the reason for BBC early LIVE report on something that hadn't yet happened, that was the first time in my life I had a 100% reason to be extremely suspicious of news. The younger generations can find and see inconsistencies and conflicting news practically instantly but where's the truth, probably somewhere in the middle. Each generation has their own story about how advancements made them grow up different from the generation before them and after them but in recent decades it has been very fast and I think that is the problem, once we progress this fast we can not know the outcome, good or bad, as humans we are changed forever, both physically and psychologically, they're rolling out 5G, yet we know the dangers of radiation, how can we think this, another advancement is a good idea, what will be the outcome?? Divide and conquer works a charm, everyone is so distracted blaming their opposition, they don't see the big picture, they don't see what all of us should be opposing for the better of humanity. We are presently living in a time where the races are becoming divided again, the genders are divided, the religions are divided, the generations are divided, the political divide is wider than ever, the vocal majority of both sides are now intolerant and mostly living in an echo chamber. Wow, I do apologise for the very long rant, I just went on, I forgot I was in a YT comment section...I am not better or worse than any generation that came before me or will come after me, but I am a product of previous generations and future generations are a product of mine, we all must accept responsibility for the consequences of what we welcomed for an easier life. Love and light always
Kyle! Thanks for sharing your story! I related to that. Instead of inspiring something in me, whenever my mother has told my a story like that of the kid without arm or legs, it would just make me feel worse.
Hey Katie.. Your comment got my attention.. and was frustrating because, well, that just sucks! So.. I’m a 36 yo mom of a 16 year old girl... on here randomly, but I’m just so curious if I could get a teen’s actual specific reasons they are depressed. Sounds like you may be the perfect person to ask? By the way, this is in NO way looking down or questioning the validity of teens’ depression. Quite the opposite. I feel like we literally can’t understand because it IS just sooo different for you guys. Thanks and I wish you well!
@@ericacosat9557 I'm not Katie but I'm also a depressed 16 year old. I mostly depressed because I'm very lonely. It feels like no one ever wants to talk to me. Reason number two is that older generations might not listen, number three is that the economy. It's hard to imagine me growing up and getting a job and getting a decent home, and the political system is so messed up
@@squeakSquak same here, i wss talking to my mom yesterday (she told me not to bottle up my emotions since i always keep things for myself) she told me: but how is this generation so weird and depressed? You have it all easy!. I responded that it was not that i am not grateful for what i have, but it was that if "everything is so easy for us" i always pushed myself to do a greater effort and show myself that i am capable of going beyond that, but the feeling of faillure makes me feel even more misserable of achieving something consideres "easy"; then i start thinking that my best is never enough and that i am not prepared to be an adult. From a young age i started concerning for my parents overspending on products and i struggle with the idea of not making enough money while i live on a "third world country". I am a good student, but not quite excelent to get an scholarship either, so i am constantly trying new things to start figuring out what i want or best study without getting much success on my quest. So this is pretty much a perspective of a 16 years old, considering there are many other factors that teens these days are concerned about (some of my friends are concerned about their sexuality, some otrhers about their health, and some others about not finding a partner to "feel loved") so everyone has their priorities; some of these are today's most common struggles).
The previous generations could survive off jobs without college degrees and had lower tuition rates,lower cost of living, had more unions, etc... They also did not have to worry about their jobs getting shipped overseas from international companies Younger generations have: Much much higher costs of living More prohibitively expensive college tuition fees Little-to-no bargaining power at work We also have to deal with the fact that these wealthy companies will undoubtably ship your job overseas in a heartbeat the moment they figure out how too. It's no wonder this generation is more prone to self medicate with recreational drugs to numb themselves to the cruel and harsh reality of life.
I feel depressed because of this: My parents always pull me into ther arguments and start yelling at me, I am forced to stay with them and show affection for them no matter what they do to me, they want me to always study because they want me to go to meds school, they laugh at me whenever they make me cry which just makes me cry more, they make me feel scared sometimes when they enter the room or call my name, they give me low self esteem and convince me that I am ungrateful and whenever I complain they name all the things they buy for me, they expect responsibility from me and will not let me join other kids in activities
Leave man. You don't deserve that toxicity. When you grow older and have more money, go to another place that is far away from them, and don't look back. You deserve a life of happiness, joy, and positivity. Live the life that you want to live. Don't go back to them. You don't deserve them. You are not worthless. You are special. Everyone is special. You are stronger than your thoughts and feelings. You are the only person that can control you. You can do it man. I know you can place yourself in a better situation.
This sounds like verbal & emotional abuse, possibly even evidence of a personality disorder in one or both parents. Laughing at one’s own child after making them cry is super messed up under any circumstances. So is using the fact that they pay for your necessities as a means to shut down conversation, and isolating you from your peers. Kids are naturally wired to love and trust their parents, so if the child constantly sees them as a source of fear and distress, it means the parents are probably doing something very wrong. There’s information online & support groups that can help you deal with your parents while you’re stuck living with them (for instance, the subreddit r/raisedbynarcissists has a pretty good collection of resources). Remember, you didn’t ask to be born, or to be their child - they’re the ones who started this, not you. You don’t owe them your happiness or your mental health, and you have just as much a right to those things as everybody else.
I also definitely think that older generations are less likely to open up and face their struggles. Younger generations are much more open in saying what's wrong, etc but because of the "when I was your age" attitude younger generations are made to feel overly sensitive and dramatic which makes them feel worse and doesn't actually help the situation.
for me (gen z) it is because of my parents and the education system . social media has become a place for me to communicate with people who are just like ME who understand MY struggles and MY pain. people who know what I’M going through. Especially during this quarantine being stuck at home with my parents. I’ve been talked out of 2 suicide attempts by my friends by social media.
MY ME MY ME focus on some one else for a change and you will be better talk to real people do sports go outside move into a positive direction, If you only focus on yourself you will experience all the pain by yourself boomersget through life not because their life is easier its because they have something to suffer for you dont construct a life worth living or die no other choice
Couldn't is also be simply that children were under-diagnosed back then? There wasn't as much child/teen psychology back then as now. So couldn't it be that it was always present, but now we are putting a label on it and giving people help, whereas back then they wouldn't have that. On the flip side: the planet is dying, there is increase gun violence in schools, places of worship. So they're not safe anywhere. Imagine being born into that. Being a teenager, when you're full of hormones and brain development, and dealing with that. I think it IS harder now than it was 50 years ago (maybe even 30 years ago).
I totally believe the under-diagnosed take on the story. Those previous generations that had to just "suck it up", then developed poor coping mechanisms. They went on to be drinkers, compulsive shoppers, have co-dependency issues etc. They are very removed from their true selves as they buried that away long ago. Also, you are right that the future is less certain, optimism is hard when like you say the planet is dying and kids are getting shot at school at an increasing rate.
That is certainly a factor, but it gets a bit undermined if you look at the suicide rates from these times vs now (and theyre drastically higher now ).
Generation Z is degenerative and lacks traditional wholesome values and that's why you all are depressed, you create your own demise. Stop sleeping around with boys and start talking to the one that actually cares about you and men need to stop letting women rule society and push them around. The very fact that someone will find the sexist is proof that you all are lost. Truth and facts are insults to you freaks.
@@RedPlaystationController Most gen z kids really cant talk to their own parents without getting discouraged, it's not there fault there getting depressed it the fact the world isnt as nice as it seems, so basically people like you are calling a whole generation whores when in reality some of them want to live life but cant because of money, homophobia and racistism. Next time remember that it's not them, it's not even you, there people around the world getting beat up for the things they can't change (like skin or sexual orientation)
I’m going to go out on a limb here. This guy nailed a few points. When I was younger I had some freedom as a child. I’d go biking with my friends and just interact with a human. The one thing I lacked was my parents being around and wanting to talk to someone about some issues I had. It was hard to talk with friends about some issues I had most likely due to machismo. My parents worked very hard for my brother and I and trust me I’m so thankful but they were always so exhausted to give attention as their children. This affected me all the way through college and I became depressed because I had no one to talk to who actually have a shit. This in turn made me hold in my emotions and I just kept telling myself to suck it up because I’m a guy. I remember one day I just started crying and it felt like a huge emotional weight just lifted off me. Never hold it in. I’m a grown man now with two children and I discuss what I can with my wife, I’m really trying to open up.
Crying is so freeing, and the idea that men shouldn’t cry is bullshit... there’s nothing wrong with it and it’s healthy to do from time to time. We all feel emotions, yet a lot of us get judged for showing it. Society is fucked up
In my perspective I feel like we are more depressed due to lack of community and connection,Social media may connect us but at the same time we are not connecting with each other enough.
I hate it when they say "Well you don't have it as bad as this person, so you shouldn't be acting this way." Like, I know that my situation isn't as horrible as their's, but that doesn't make my pain any less relevant. And when you compare my situation to someone else, that makes me feel even worse, because now I feel like a horrible person for feeling this way, when my life is better than theirs.
I think Kyle's example shows how we should pay close attention to the people around us and their behavior. Also, we should stop comparing one's problems to another one's problems. What may not be an issue to somebody else, can be a huge burden to you and vice versa. I hate the whole "oh, but there are bigger problems in the world" mindset. Yes, they are a larger scale, but those problems are not affecting that individual directly and even those affected by it have probably some personal issues which they value more important than the "bigger" problem they are facing. Everybody is encouraging people to speak up, yet at the same time they bring them down and tell them their problems are not important. Just because there are other problems in the world, does not mean your situation does not matter.
Well said! We are in a huge mental health crisis! The last thing anyone needing their voice heard is to be shamed, as if there is should be a comparison! I know this feeling well! And, it keeps people from reaching out!
I’m 29 and I agree with all of the things these guys said. A lot of kids now talk more trash and moody. And won’t listen to their parents. Plus when they talk trash about a adult they can’t look them in the eyes and can’t listen to authority when someone is older than them. Plus kids nowadays are more sensitive and less caring and they are unaware of the impact of their surroundings.
I feel like gen z are more prone to faking depression, depression is starting to lose its meaning over the years, people are mixing it with being upset and sad. It’s more than that.
I feel like alot of it is also that our future is way more uncertain. We now know so many jobs, we have access to so many places and its kinda like so where do I go now? What am I aiming for? Older generations had their parents telling them what to do and what job to get and that was their career for the rest of their life whereas nowadays people are moving jobs every 5 years and even changing sectors. You don't have as many social norms like marrying or getting your own house. So what is certain in our future? Especially with technology constantly and radically changing the shape of our future.
May God bless you ❤ with encouragement and His love. I pray that you will find good individuals in your life. I pray that God will help you find happiness 😊 & joy. In His name we pray in Jesus Christ, amen ❤🎉
I’m 11 and dealing with social anxiety, anxiety, and Crying more often, I used cry myself to sleep when I was younger to, I wasn’t depressed I had no idea what was wrong with me. I had never heard of mental illnesses, and I feel like I’m to young to be feeling like this. Ppl say “when I was ur age I went outside and wasn’t depressed “ well guess what, not my fault I wasn’t born in freaking 1964
My mother : Notice all the signs that her child is depressed My mother's solution : Let's scream at her child more about what she's doing wrong so she hopefully change and assume it will cure her depression Outcome : Did not help, also I don't talk to her anymore :)
When I was a child, I started to get quite depressed in primary school. For many nights, I would get sleep paralysis and exploding head syndrome. When I recounted to my uncle that I saw a dark figure standing next to my bed when I woke up, he just sighed and thought I was lying or something. I'm glad the internet existed so I could find out what I was experiencing, because I felt like no adult helped me.
Oh dear! 😳 The way Kyle described himself as a child is exactly the way my son is. While he hasn’t grabbed a knife yet, he has talked about it. I’m going to get him to see a therapist. Thank you MedCircle for putting out this content, and thank you Kyle for bravely sharing part of your story.
a gen z, it is bascially because of social media, the pandemic, and drama, drama videos are becoming more popular making loads of us more negative and i know this from experience, we keep getting worked up over nothing and the pandemic forced us to stay inside and just watch stuff online and it really negatively effected us, everyone is just so negative and it is easy to get sucked into, and then comes guilt and remorse
Social media contributes to depression a lot. Its like we killing each other through our highlight reels, buying shit we dont need so we can pretend like we doin some happy shit in our life
So in a nut shell, the technology that adults invented is causing depression in the younger generation. Then they are called weak by the older generation because of their depression and lack of social skills.
This require hindsight and critical thinking skills which most people lack in general. So its much easier to blame an entire group of people. Its no different than how something like racism manifests itself
We have to look at the overall problems on the rise that cause mental health issues - murder, abuse and bullying. Not to mention cases of ASPD and NPD traits are encouraged and practiced through social media and in the home more. We have more awareness now but we dont have the same amount of empathy as then.
Lets see: prices for everything are astronomical, college doesnt guarantee a job that pays $18/hr let alone $20/hr + covering student loan debt and basic necessities. IF they're able to land a job after college, they'll most likely be an "at will" employee, meaning you're able to be fired at any time for any reason. Plus the ridiculous cost of healthcare, so better not ever get sick ever (impossible). Nothing is going for them, obviously this will cause hopelessness and despair. The current system is unsustainable
May God bless you ❤ with encouragement and His love. I pray that you will find good individuals in your life. I pray that God will help you find happiness 😊 & joy. In His name we pray in Jesus Christ, amen ❤🎉
A big part of depression is from technological advancements and kids becoming addicted to these as an escape from all their issues. Games are generally designed to be as addictive as possible so you keep coming back to it, spending more time, money etc on it. Then that is all the kid wants to do, just get artificial satisfaction all the time and by the time they grow up and want real connections and values it is almost impossible because of how they were not growing these skills in their crucial years, making them self conscious, anxious and whatever else. The companies who make these products as addictive as possible are the downfall for so many young people like myself.
I think a huge problem now is that the pressure is so high. There are so many world problems that we are constantly having forced down our throats that we know no one is fixing and know is going to be a lot of issues for us to fix. Also because for the first time we have to work hard otherwise we won't get a good life. From a very young age I was hounded with what I wanted to do when I was older and now if I don't get good grades my life is fucked before it even started. Also people constantly tell you how unsocial you are and how bad social media is but it is a lot harder to just meet people now and do things together. You feel isolated not just because of social media but also because of how people remind you you are. People tell you how you are doing childhood wrong. So there is a huge pressure of look at all these huge problems, your life is going to be shit and you don't even enjoy your childhood properly which are supposed to be the best years of your life and you have to fix it now. No other generation has had to deal with this before. When you hate your childhood and know this is as good as it is going to get then what's the point in continuing?
Young people are brought into this world full of creep comforts that has left them ill equipped to handle the real world, life is tough, it's sometimes brutal, the older generations had their struggles but they knew they had to plow through, they understood and accepted the hardships that comes with being a living sentient being instead of spending their daily lives whining and complaining perpetuating their negativity, it really is true to a good extent that you really do need to suck it up.
That also resulted in past generations having a lot of mental health problems that were pushed under the rug as to not ruin appearances. With boomers and other past generations, those who were mentally ill were locked away from the public. Families went to great lengths to hide their "mistakes". With boomers and also a few gen X , we say a serial killer boom and crime rates skyrocketed. The older generations dealt with their problems in a toxic way as well.
@@penny4thought168 How messed up, are you? I'm born in 81. My god, you are toxic. It's funny how you use the term kiddo. I think we found the real psycho here.
@@Wings_of_foam No? I'm saying there were for "serial killers" in the 80's. May I ask why you think I'm a psycho yet you're the one saying that your generation was perfect and mental illness didn't exist? I think it's important for you to remember that the economy isn't the same as you were when you were a child. It's trashed, and people can't really afford basic necessities today. The poverty line has also grew. There are so many reasons as to why this generation is depressed but it's unclear why you refuse to look outside your little bubble and see it.
I think the “get over it” attitude let the mental health problems pile up. It created generational trauma like a snowball effect. So no, it’s not just social media or current parenting styles are wrong, it’s that there is big fat roots to the problem that definitely stem waaaaay before millennials were born into this world
Good grief! Great discussion! Adults thought that kids being depressed was a luxury...and that was the 80's! But symptoms are symptoms, signs are signs & ignoring them helps no one. Granted, many parents just hadn't a clue as to how to approach certain issues evident in their kids' behaviour. But honestly, by the time the 80's had rolled around...there wasn't much excuse for parents feigning ignorance. There were just too many resources & educational aids plastered literally everywhere. There truly ought to be 'mandatory' courses (for soon-to-be parents) to instruct on identifying issues & offering coping mechanisms to their kids. Just basics, instead of burying their parental heads in the sand, when issues arise. Would make a great difference, imo.
I honestly hate that I can only turn to my phone or Xbox because I have no friends and it’s hard to make friends when everyone is looking down at their phones when I go out with family I almost never bring my phone because I’m not there to be on my phone
We got born into a broken world. Climate change is getting worse and worse every year, the divorce rate among adults is at it's highest, school is getting harder and you basically have to to go collage now to have even a chance of success in life, and the internet has made kids grow up and lose their innocence at alarming rates
Older generations passed the trauma onto us and they never healed them selves, we are finally waking up and healing ourselves so we don’t pass it on to our children and grandchildren!
our communication skills have not gone down and apparently we are the smartest generations so far and why most of us are getting depressed is because high bullying factors and pressure from grown ups to be better than we already are
When we talk about statistics like increasing depression, self harm, etc are there ways that we can account for the variable of under reporting? It seems to me like the tendency to "keep things in the home" rather than seek help changes from generation to generation. So are the statisticians that are looking into these things using some kind of techniques to account for this or can we only go by the numbers we have as they are?
I feel like the reason why it’s affecting us (Gen Z Most) is the world we live in today shape by boomers who left us anything but in turmoil Invention of IPhone, digitized way of living, social media apps constantly showing all party people everyone having fun, sex, party, more friends it’s that image that runs in most media today not just social media but in films, music, books etc people who have mental disorder or ahdh have hard time adjusting today’s society
I think one reason besides the internet, is that we are constantly told we are going to die. The paranoia installed into us from death and kidnapping has lead to us becoming far more isolated an afraid for our lives.
I found this conversation a great, "Lets truly open up our eyes," discussion! Due to when I was born, my upbringing, already setup for brain illness, and psychological issues, along with raising kids young, having grandchildren already, there's so much to express! I truly believe these conversations, especially now can assist in how we can evaluate what's important, and ultimately necessary to alter the course of social issues & interventions!
I'm around Kyle's age and honestly feel depressed as an adult because there was more to do as a kid when we would interact with people and the world around us. Ride bikes and not have to be home until just before dark, we would play tag and other games to interact with other kids, we would cruise the mall and those are almost all closing now. As an adult it seems to me there's less things to do out in the world besides spending money, consuming food and alcohol, going to concerts, and everything else is events that are "family friendly" and devoted to families bringing their kids to a fair or Trunk Or Treat. So we grow up, get paired off with a significant other, and with the time left after work, are basically holed up in our homes or apartments with nothing to do but look at our phones, watch youtube, or use a streaming service. Just the other day I was like, "I grew up full of hope that life as an adult would be better, and this is it?" Sure people would say life is what you make it, but after covid, it feels like we live in a cultural waste land, and there's not many events to go to that aren't devoted to religion, being a parent, or cost a fortune to attend. I think we can do better, but have no idea how to make it that way.
I think it’s that the internet and media pressures people to be beautiful or that we NEED certain things. I don’t think that Gen Z has more cases of depression, I believe that more of them have come out , willingly trying to seek help. I think that much of the older generation just haven’t been diagnosed.
Well I still think gen z have more cases or the depression is worse because the suicide rate is way higher. isn't it the older generation fault for making depression such a bad thing and then trying to pass it down to us. One of the main reasons for younger generations depression is that the older generations calls us snowflakes or sensitive so we have no sympathy for them
When it comes to social media I think it’s the constant comparison of people showing off their achievements. You work all your life mastering a skill/hobby and there’s millions of people on the internet doing the same thing but better. Social media breeds envy especially in teenagers and young adults. It’s best to ignore social media and do things because you enjoy it, not to keep up with the Joneses or prove self-worth.
On a societal level, I would say wide and growing inequality is causing younger people to be depressed more frequently. There is a hollowing out of the middle class in the west. It's harder to get a job that will enable someone to have upward social mobility. Kids today have to compete against most of the world, whereas the Boomers were protected by tariffs and other non trade barriers and about a third of the world was under Communism so didn't compete at all against westerners. School is getting harder and more pressurized. Kids have much more frequent testing and with much higher stakes than in the past.
You're right about less competition for older generations but wrong about the reasoning why. Technology is killing more jobs than anything else. Before mass computing came in the 80's, 90's people had to make collect, summarize, and analyze data. There were a ton of white collar jobs. There were also a ton of manufacturing jobs. These jobs have been outsourced, computerized, and mechanized. I'm thinking about just accounting, you used to need accounting clerks, bookeepers, accounts payable, sales tax accounting, income tax, accounts receivable, ect at large corporations. Now about 10 people and enterprise resource software can do all of the accounting functions instead of a couple hundred. Meanwhile our government, schools, courts are still operating like its 1985.
I think what makes the younger generation depressed is the lack of purpose, we are so confortable now that we dont really need anything else, hence people dont have stuff to do and must face the purpose of life on a daily basis. We arent distracted by things to do anymore.
biggest contributor is feeling alone. People swipe for relationships and expect an immediate connection. If theres no immediate connection, they give up and move on to something "better" and half the time never find "better" and end up being alone. Mostly by ghosting which is terrible and shows no regard, leaving the ghosted person feeling worthless. Connections take time and no one is willing to put in the time to get to know someone. Imagine if you had to go on a long car ride with a stranger for a week straight. Theres a high chance you would have a new friendship/relationship by the end.
It's probably because society has evolved into an unpleasant experience as adults and there is no real precedent to look back on analogous to these times. Stress full, over worked, rising cost of living, political & economic deterioration... The only thing good about these times is that we have unique tools to solve our problems and the current world power is relatively benign. Btw the education system in the US is inherently flawed. A cookie cutter method of teaching. We are putting our kids through a mind blender during there formative years.
You know some of our mental problems don't come from social media because some of us don't have it. Some of it comes from pressure from older generations, if we try to say something we get pushed to the side, and some of it is because we don't have anyone close to us to talk to or relate to. Just remember that you can't blame everything on social media. All you have to do is listen...so please listen to us.
Children are forming their identities by learning from their environment, and by watching and evaluating what they see and hear in their social circles. They try to make a place for themselves and to fit in in those circles. But those circles aren't in the real world anymore, they're online and you cannot form your identity online, since the brain isn't equipped to do so based on such a huge pool of people, behaviors and thoughts. There's too much of people to compare yourself with. I remember when I grew up in the 80's and 90's. All I was worried about was to fit in a limited, fairly small group of friends and acquintances and it wasn't hard at all. And whatever embarrassing I may have done didn't end up on the internet and did't (and still doesn't) follow me around. How awful would it be if it did 🥶
NO OFFENSE TO YOU ALL! I'm doing this out of good intent. God does love non Christians. God knows we are all sinners. What is sin? Sin is an action that is not good and done or thought out of bad intentions. We all lie, trick others, and are prideful/selfish sometimes. God (Jesus Christ) came down in the form as an human and died for our sins. He resurrected from death thus we can also defeat death 💀 if anyone of us accept Him as Savior for our sins. We cannot save ourselves from sin no matter how many good deeds we do. Everyday we sin. Christians do too. But if you are a Christian ✝️, you will go to heaven when God plays back your whole life to you. But if you die without being a Christian ✝️, then you will suffer forever 💔 without being in heaven. God doesn't judge you based on worldly success nor physical attraction. Jesus Christ loves ❤️ you and values your character. If u end up being poor, He still won't abandon you. You can pray 🙏 to reach out to Him, and you'll see what He will do for you and others. Sometimes He will see if you will trust His will which is not always the same as your will nor desire. But He does what He knows is best for you despite us not knowing that. Have a nice day!
5:53 When I was 13 and my mom and my schools would show me things like this and I had the same reaction as he did and it burned this saying deep into my brain "I have no reasons to be depressed, every problem I have is my fault and only my fault" even though I was still just a kid I could look at all the bad things that have happened to me and my family and find a way to blame it on me. I still have depression and anxiety and a handful of otger mental issues I haven't had resolved yet and I really need to get them fixed soon. The only thing keeping me alive other than my siblings and mother is that I always try to give myself the chance to see tomorrow, it doesnt help with anything, but it keeps me from plunging a knife into my neck.
It's mostly lack of social interaction/lack of society. During the Great Depression people mostly had close-knit extended families and communities where people knew one another. Being in a foxhole with friends and allies is less depressing than getting doordash alone.
Despite being in a relatively loving family my moderate depression stems from my atopic dermatitis and the social stigma I get from it - I’ve been avoided in public like I’m a leper or something while also dealing with the pressures of a 16 year old in a Chinese family that likes nitpicking me and going on tangents(aside from the initial problem they pointed me out for) that make me feel like shit as they degrade me by calling me a careless shit, useless pampered brat, garbage, and general verbal and occasional physical confrontations.
I can’t even explain what I feel/or think without being shutdown instantly, being called ignorant, or having a baby mentality just because I was a premature baby which has nothing to do with the other lol.
During the "GREAT Depression" of 1929, the adults at that time believed in the "children should be seen and not heard" philosophy. Many children were depressed, clinically depressed and untreated BUT children should be seen and not heard meant "who cares, the kid will grow out of it (losing a parent, poverty, being forced to raise younger siblings, etc.)
I’m Gen Z and I came out great! Of course my parents parenting style is way different than my peers so I’m completely different. My peers think it’s weird that I don’t suffer from depression or anxiety. I have met people that have everything and their family is great and they still have depression. Which does make sense
NO OFFENSE TO YOU ALL! I'm doing this out of good intent. God does love non Christians. God knows we are all sinners. What is sin? Sin is an action that is not good and done or thought out of bad intentions. We all lie, trick others, and are prideful/selfish sometimes. God (Jesus Christ) came down in the form as an human and died for our sins. He resurrected from death thus we can also defeat death 💀 if anyone of us accept Him as Savior for our sins. We cannot save ourselves from sin no matter how many good deeds we do. Everyday we sin. Christians do too. But if you are a Christian ✝️, you will go to heaven when God plays back your whole life to you. But if you die without being a Christian ✝️, then you will suffer forever 💔 without being in heaven. God doesn't judge you based on worldly success nor physical attraction. Jesus Christ loves ❤️ you and values your character. If u end up being poor, He still won't abandon you. You can pray 🙏 to reach out to Him, and you'll see what He will do for you and others. Sometimes He will see if you will trust His will which is not always the same as your will nor desire. But He does what He knows is best for you despite us not knowing that. Have a nice day!
Well maybe the current generation feels more depressed because I don't know a majority is plagued by debt for education their parents told them they need, increasing rent and real estate prices enforced by the older generation (and the reliasation that getting your own home is but a distant dream), a planet that is literally perishing in front of our eyes but the lawmakers of today decide that "it's bad for the economy to do XYZ..." oh and forget retiring the pension plans for most european countries are so f*cked up by too many old people and too little kids that we also have to care for ourselves when we're old. Millenials and Gen Z's are people that struggle to find ANYTHING worth living for. Love & Family ? Nah too expensive and y'all both have to work a 9-5 Job to even scrape by with 1-2 kids. Nature? Nah basically dead and you can't see it anyways because you can't afford to go anywhere anyways. Oh and don't forget natural disasters all over the globe. Ambition and career? Nah forget it we have old f*cks who wont retire and block off the ladder to leading positions having you stuck in menial labour for an eternity OR you can't even find and entry level job because you need 7 years expierience. Art? You want to be an artist then get ready to work for free or "exposure". These generatios are among the few people who actually have the means to see that the world is F*CKED all over. From China to the US, there is no greener patch of grass for them only a little less brown and wilted. And then they have people calling them "snowflakes" which is ironically quite fitting because sooner or later there wont be any of them anymore if we don't stop f*cking up everything we touch and actually allow them a life that is worth living!
Depression was viewed as a stigma and also we didn’t have massive support for this which in a way has created a little bit of enabling/lack of willingness to self regulate. Lack of willingness to change the behavior because there is a lot of comfort in misery online that validates them
When he stated that walking miles to school in the snow didn't caused you depression it was because whether it was hard or not whether we were small or not it was an adventure... that is what this new era is missing adventures. Good or bad back in the day we had adventures. And lesson its what made life interesting. With all this technology all the answers to anything you can find on line... where is the fun in that.. ignorance is truly bliss. Also everything is now abusive neglect we're too sensitive. We baby everything now.. again where is the fun in that. Life is a jorney
As for me, I have Bipolar, my dad has Bipolar, my grandma had Bipolar. The difference I see is that I'm aware I do and they aren't/weren't. My dad just thinks it is "bad vibes" and he needs to take a bath and pray and keep going and sleep when he is depressed (which is technically right, those are good strategies, but he just isn't aware there is something different), and when he is manic he just thinks it is passion and he has a mission or he needs to burn energy and have fun (and that this is just normal in life). My grandma was grumpy most of the time, then sometimes she would be energetic, "see things that weren't there", and believe "they" were after her (presumably the government, for no apparent reason, as she made money washing clothes and took care of home and wasn't involved in politics, philosophy, teaching, religion, art, or any sort of influential activity), she is also reported to have "tormenting dreams", but those things were talked about mostly in secret, if at all.
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MedCircle Omgoodness... it’s sooo good to see you again Kyle! I used to be a part of The Kittle Fam on Periscope! Congrats- you are so great at this Kyle & I’m so happy for you! And it was so great to see ur handsome face pop up in my recommendations! I will definitely be binge watching MedCircle now!🤗❤️
Waat , you want money? Bahaahahahaha! You truly are old, people! What year do you think it is?!
The attitudes of the past are only outdated because they didn’t go far enough. I do not tolerate members of my generation that don’t live up to my standards and neither should anyone else. Any sign of mental illness should be treated with severe intolerance. That would end the problem.
Feminism is what is causing this....working Mothers.....!!
It's because the older generation horded all the resources/jobs/opportunities, while bitching at the younger generation "We ain't worth a damn". So most younger people end up working shitty factory jobs, and feeling like worthless components of society.
We have social media - theres higher standards to life now - your appearance, your lifestyle, your relationships, your future and how uncertain it is
Maybe its the increase of technology? Less and less communication now - video gaming addiction, phone addiction
Or maybe theres less stigma to mental health? So generation Z is opening up more than other generations
Increase technology = increase loneliness
Generic Channel To pinpoint it to one or two reasons is massively oversimplifying the issue. In reality it’s likely a mix of the points you stated along with more (philosophical, sociological, economical, political, psychological).
@@manuj2868 yeah, you hit the nail on the head. Way too much exposure to emerging manipulative technologies, horrible clickbaity news cycles, hyperconsumerist sentiments and flex culture, and constant reminders of how their generation has it easy and they should be grateful while constantly being reminded of their doomed future. It’s rough on kids
I'm sorry, but from my experience, the older generations have a TON of undiagnosed mood disorders and PTSD. Just because they didn't seek the help of a therapist don't mean that they didn't lash out on everyone around them. Look at divorce rates of older generations. Look at anger issues and spousal abuse. Look how fucked up the views of older people is on what it means to live together. I've heard more than once from boomers who never were near a therapist telling me how they want to kill themselves if not for kids and they just drop this in normal conversations. The older generation is depressed and they let it out in uncontrolled anger and give it to the next gen
Wow this comment, I fucked up the like button
Cwispy Face
God your a boomer 😒
Cwispy Face
😂 I don’t have enough respect to say “no offence” so I’m just going to lay it on you
1. You can’t say something is always bad because that’s what everyone else does, and respect other people’s game preference
2. Don’t insult other generations because you don’t agree with their values and preferences
3. Don’t assume everyone is going through the same thing and say something like “your generation is horrible”
4. Understand somebody else’s point of view before you comment something stupid
5. If you don’t want to be called a boomer don’t say “respect your elders” or “your generation sucks” it will really help
Thank you for your unconditional time ✌️🌱
Also what generation are you in then 🌱🙂🙃
@Cwispy Face also you ask for respect well *(ELDERS SHOULD GIVE RESPECT TO TEENS IF THEY WANT RESPECT LIFE WORKS BOTH WAYS)* you receive what you give bud feel free to insult me since it seems that's your biggest way to answer in a conversation. also you claim to be pretty much older but you sure as shit don't act like it.
Edit: To end it off just wanna say stop playing the mature old person and the all knowing and stop arguing with kids you ridiculed yourself enough mate. Your kind people need to be put in their place with *(LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE)*
My 39 year old son told his 13 year old son that he never had a cell phone when he was that age and his response was " That's because they weren't invented yet!"
Lol
😂😂 great going kid🤣🤣🤣
@@aubymori1333 no, I remember the conversation we had as to why he wasn't in demand enough to require a phone on him all the time.
The older generation horded all the resources/jobs/opportunities, while bitching at the younger generation "You ain't worth a damn". So most younger people end up working shitty factory jobs, and feeling like worthless components of society, a society that now dissapearing do to lockdowns & big Tech companies, there's no places to go a meeting people interested in the same things as you, all the cool old interesting small businesses that use to bring communities together are now vacant buildings.
Well, that would have been 1993. There were cell phones, but no smart phones.
I wonder if the increase in depression is a more accurate representation of mental health issues in younger people because Gen Z are open about their struggles. I should have been in therapy as a teenager, and so should have most of my friends. Countless Millennials and Gen Xers have been diagnosed much later with ADHD, depression, and anxiety. They're finally getting treatment, and many had to reach a major crisis to get help. Gen Z is very smart to start the conversation now. I think they're going to do great things in the future.
xfortunesquex From someone born in the early sixties, and was crying out for support as a teen, I like to discuss these issues with various younger generations! Your insights are important, and I know you can offer a great perspective on what you feel will be beneficial! I'm advocating for better mental healthcare! We need ALL the young voices! I'm going try to repost!
xfortunesquex i was thinking this, as well
I don't actually think so
I'm Fine what are your thoughts?
Oh I agree. I was born in the early 80’s and had a lot of struggles and trauma growing up. The new generation is so open with their feelings now. Abuse is also taken much more seriously. Everyone just swept my issues ‘under the rug’ and 25 years later, I was at breaking point because I was conditioned to always keep everything to myself. That showing emotions was a weakness. It’s how our parents were raised. That’s just not healthy. It’s good that people are not as ashamed.
I feel like depression is increasing because of how competitive the society is getting, we are pressured to do our best but also are expected to be perfect
If you called today's society competitive, what more back then. When food and necessities are scarce. People have wars for literally just "salt". Lands are fought for.The slavery, the social class divisions, etc.
Inshort it's not the competition, but the thing that is being competed for. We live in an age of social media. Everybody competes to be as "perfect" as possible. That's a crown no one will take home.
👑 I win.
Is it an actual increase in mood disorders, suicide, self harm or is it an increase in visibility? With the internet, it's so much easier to share our struggles and the younger generation (me included) find it more acceptable to admit/express/share that struggle. And I think it's a good thing in that you know that you're not alone.
K
First no one listens
My mom says that you don't have stress or depression
My brother don't even listens to me
I don't have a father
I'm completely done
It's not a good thing if you can't afford the health care for therapy. The US is way behind all the other western countries by not having universal health care.
@@firenze5555 yes and...this is not helping anything
@@Hikapika6 hey man I hope your okay
I mean, I couldn't even talk to my parents about my mental health without them getting angry. I think it's the destigmatizing of depression that increases the reported cases.
The problem is that not everyone is brainwashed and/or lobotomized to believe that medication for mental illnesses is good
@@the_red_wolf8244 No one said medication is the only answer to mental illness 🙄 but you need to find SOME answer for it. Some people respond well to meds. Some people don’t. We just need to find the best solution for whoever is afflicted by a mental illness.
this is so trueeeee
No what you needed was to just forgive them for traumatizing you; thats all.
What even is this thread
I absolutely agree. We can’t compare how it was to how it is now. That’s completely unfair and very invalidating to anyone who’s going through a hard time right now. Your feelings are valid and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
My mom loves to invalidate all of the feelings I have and just tells me to try harder.
divyanshu pandey what?
Well stated! Thank you 💫💝💖
@@NariKims Asian mom?
Its a different landscape, it might be more petty, but that pettyness is a big deal to these crybabies, so we should treat them as big deals as well.
boomers need to understand this. Gen-Z was a huge shift.
They have to understand that they didn't have to deal with global warming
@@henrynguyen829 lol
@@henrynguyen829 lmfao. global warming isn't driving depression rates higher. what does "deal with global warming" even mean lol.
how have you "dealt" with global warming .... name one single time your life was altered because of the climate. lmao
relaxing music global warming is a lie
@@scott.j.belton You're right, mental health stigma is what is driving the depression rates higher, oh and lack of physical activity. Don't blame young generations for all the world problems.
If you don't overprotect there is always someone ready to run to CPS to report you or call the police now. My parents generation could relax because people and laws were more relaxed. By today's standard my mother and grandmother would have been in trouble with the law and they are/were great parents IMO.
The moment when you don’t want to die but don’t wanna live as well.... welcome in my head guys😗✌🏻
Asena CcC I want to die but the only thing keeping me alive is my girlfriend.
100% me
Yeah I can relate
@@rulezzx- wtf depressed with girlfriend?
welcome to the club where life feels too impossible to live on even at the age of 12 ):
I'm 33. And I have major depression, anxiety, social anxiety, ptsd. I am also very shy and introverted in person.
i understand you....
I'm the same way bro!
Same except I’m 15 and don’t have ptsd
Are all of you diagnosed? If not can you tell me your symptoms
@@aubymori1333 nah
There were a lot of businessmen jumping out of windows during the market crash of '29.
Ok... how many people did that and then compare to now
Were more aware of depression and can recognise it , there’s less shame .
Heres a bit of explanation for the waygen Z acts:
We usually have depression or anxiety because of the stress from the other generations or that most of us come from broken families. My mother put pressure on me so much that I broke. Once I broke down in the car, begging her to stop yelling. We cant look our parents in the eye because we are scared. I'm scared to do so. It hurts not being able to talk to your parents because *THEY* are the ones that go and post your pictures, and status on social media without your permission. I do agree some of us spend too much time indoors, but it is the other generations fault they made it so all we needed was there. *We* didn't create technology, smartphones, wifi, or games. All we did was get lured into *their* trap.
Samulooki you explained everything wow
Millennial, here. I think technology has exposed us all.. And your generation unfortunately had a window to see all the truths of life at such a young age.. That window being the Internet. The world has always been ugly. Y'all were just exposed to it at such a young age. You'll soon see we are all human, we try our best.. It's up to each generation to try and improve humanity for the next generation. And as humans, we have, continue to do so, and will - - fuck up.
And we are constantly treated like the generation of the last like the boomers need to realize that yes we were the same age, we were all 15 but at a different time. The pressure of having an unstable family structure is so pressuring especially when your friends have such a perfect life, having the newest phones the biggest house the fastest car the lives our parents lives plays a big toll on our mental health
Also love how they never mentioned things that affect people from africa who's parents MIGHT raise them with physical discipline, and how they never talked about Asian source of depression.
@Mr Zurkon wow you really got em, such a good combat, so unique, so creative, never heard before.👏👏👏
@Mr Zurkon -_-
The cost of renting is so high. It's impossible to live anywhere decent even if you have a good job.
Almost half of Americans cannot afford an emergency over $500. The stress of money and living paycheck to paycheck is emotional torture.
@@mjohnson1741 It is not just paycheck to paycheck. Much of the young generation is unlikely to own a house no matter which job they get. But they are expected to. This is the same issue in most of the world. What the older generations expect does not match up with reality of what is possible for most.
Yeah because you arent supposed to get a house, transportation, electricity, internet, a bed, bathroom, a pet, a phone, and entertainment because you work a cash register.
@@alexandrovazquez9536 what about medicine? Do you think that is a worthwhile pursuit in this day and age? In purely financial compensatory terms
Social media and economic stressors. Social media portrays everyone in this perfect light. We have too much access to people's personal lives: Who's getting married, who's a home owner, who's having kids, who has their perfect dream job, etc. A lot of people are over worked and underpaid, working two jobs just to make ends meet. People are more isolated than ever before because everyone's so lazy and prefers to swipe for friendships. Friendships are only for pics for the gram, nothing of substance. No, I'm not surprised the suicide rates are up...
It's also physical activity. I've researched it and usually social media just causes worsened for disorders it doesn't really cause disorders. Also every is up high because there's more people being honest about it and not hiding it due to fear.
It's not just that. We are exposed to the whole world, the good the bad and the ugly.
I only partially disagree. I still believe a lot of gen z still values real friends over fake ones or virtual ones. Social media just allows for faster and smarter forms of communication.
I do say. Saying "genz have no friends they only have phones" is dumb. Alot of our anxiety is who is a fake friend who isnt. We value real friends
You took the words right out of my mouth! Keep speaking the truth👌🏼 @Forever_Evolving_
I’m 23 and still have occasional phases of pretty extreme depression. My stressors are mostly economical. Even if I want to learn skills, it’s so expensive and risky, not to mention time consuming, that despite the fact I’ve wanted to change my life... it’s just not happening.
I can relate so much. I hope so much we can find our way out of this mess. I hate money. I hate how everyone just goes along with everything like powerless and would rather work their whole life to fulfill someone elses dream. Maybe i think too highly of myself. But i’m so tried of this slavery and I don’t know how much longer I can deal with all the evil in the world
Get a second job. Save money. You’re not first young person who deal with this. It’s how you respond to it.
I agree. 2004 was the last great year for me. The rest was sad
@Darby O'Hara Those can / may lead to even more stress/ problems, for what it is worth.
I think no matter what, this society/ way of life is very unnatural compared to what humans previously flourished in (hunter gatherers in close tribal units who constantly accepted each other usually I bet, and surrounded by natural nature) and this whole "You should be happier than all youe ancestors combined, you have internet access and warm water on tap, blah blah ungrateful shame on you!" Is a myth. I can probably delve into why but think I've said enough lol
Oh yeah, but meant to say because of that, think we Should cut ourselves slack. Life nowadays is tough, no matter who we are. In a multitude or another of ways
@@MasterTSayge don’t let the world change you man, take action and change the world starting by your attitude towards tomorrow and remember you have the power to change your environment if not that definitely have the power to react to it in a positive manner
No need to criticize other generations. Try to learn from older and youger generstion
I’m a Young Millennial. What I admire about Older Gen Z is that most of them want to own or rent a home at a early age, that’s what I have in common with them. 😎
Dark Rose Reaper I’m 22 and I’m in that grey area of older gen z and young millennials. I’m old enough to clearly remember before smart phones came along but also at the same time grew up with smart phones. It’s weird age to be. But yeah I mostly relate to millennials than gen z
Tony Engardio
I can understand that. I’m 24 years old, I consider myself one of the last Young Millennials. I remember a time before the original Bluetooth Mobile Phone (2000) & PS2 (2000) were popular. So yeah I do consider Older Generation Z to be a little younger than myself, but I admire their strengths. 🙂
I agree, we usually have depression or anxiety because of the stress from the other generations or that most of us come from broken families. My mother put pressure on me so much that I broke. Once I broke down in the car, begging her to stop yelling. We cant look our parents in the eye because we are scared. I'm scared to do so. It hurts not being able to talk to your parents because *THEY* are the ones that go and post your pictures, and status on social media without your permission. I do agree some of us spend too much time indoors, but it is the other generations fault they made it so all we needed was there. *We* didn't create technology, smartphones, wifi, or games. All we did was get lured into *their* trap.
Galixy Fox
Oh man that’s not good. It seems social media is causing mental health issues to some of Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, & Boomers. I honestly preferred the era before there was too much tech & social media. During that time adults & kids were more extroverted, many Millennial kids were consistently hanging out in person...
I'm a 19 year old that's been dealing with depression for a long time now and I'm still asking myself why am I so depressed? I have little to no excuse I have just about everything I need or want with people that love me and want the best for me. Yet I'm still depressed. Many people have it way worse than I do and actually may have, what I feel anyways, are legitimate reasons for being depressed.
(Like the guy in the video without the glasses I guess)
I have the same situation. The truth is, a life without challenges that you personally care about, isn't worth living. If you have everything you ever wanted, why live on? That's what we think deep down within us. Just look at every rich person there is. They are all extremely depressed.
From a certain perspective, we probably have it the worst. We want to die (at least I do) but can't because we do not want to ruin the lives of those who love us deeply.
Life at the peak is terrible. I hope that no person ever reaches their dreams in life, for they will realise how utterly hollow they will become once they've reached everything they wanted.
What if it's just an illusion
@@FifaMaestroAdam everything is illusion, even time
@@LS-qt9bo I kinda hope, even only for the future of humanity’s sake, they don’t deserve the broken world they will inherit.
Hey, its been 8 months, do you feel better now?
100+ years ago admitting to any kind of mental disorder would have stigmatized the entire family so who would even have permitted a child or spouse to be evaluated? 100+ years ago no one had the money for a psychiatrist and medicine had no solutions for depression or anything else.
But that's there fault. They could've helped that but they chose not to.
A lot of young people have bad education (because of many reasons) and then they don’t get a job. Failure in school and failure in the working world makes them depressed, too.
everyday i wake up is just another day i have to try and get through, my family is the only reason im still here
Hey I hope you’re doing ok 💜
That's how I am I'm not here on this messed up world for me I'm here for family and that's the only thing that im up
Younger generations feel they have no hope with insane dept and a ridiculous cost of living. They can’t get ahead. It’s soul crushing.
Helicopter parenting, lack of sport and exercise, lack of questioning of fellow peers, parents that contribute to building unrealistic expectations from life, no restrictions on phone time and social media.
All easily corrected.
Lack of fathers in the home
My thing on why Gen Z, my generation, is so depressed is the world we were born in. We live in a broken world, constant fighting in the Middle East, school shootings as a monthly occurrence, the impending danger of Global Warming, the stupidity of some of the extreme people out there, and now general global isolation due to Covid-19, just to name a few.
We live in a world where all the messes of the past have been dumped onto Us, the responsibility of those messes being cleaned up dumped onto Us. We are a generation where all the information on the world is available and being thrown at us in the worst possible way, the perfect and the extraordinarily bad front and center ready to put us down, and everyone expects Us to do everything right with the weight of the world on our shoulders. No wonder we have more depression, no wonder we have more suicide, we are expected to do all that and are then are turned away when we inevitably fail.
And the threat of nuclear war
And I think the problem is that you think that's true, but it's not, and nobody tells you the truth. There have been entire generations of young people who have fought wars over issues going back several generations. There were entire generations that lived through threats of world war, radiation contamination, endless famines, threat of nuclear war. There are even entire generations that have already lived and still live the threat of climate change, but you believe that everything happens to you and no one has ever had it so bad. You are wrong, and those who are not telling you this are doing you a disservice.
And now another war.. several trauma experiences..
Life is hard now, but it has been much harder in the past.
The problem is, if some generation want to be understood by other generation, because they can't. It's just so different..
The disease of abundance... too much saturation of information is overloading the young minds brain
I just want to live in a small community, grow my own food, and make art but no, I have to fix climate change, work, go to school, feel guilty for not being good enough at anything, and live in constant fear and misery due to paralyzing uncertainty and trust issues.
I really love this topic. I get a lot of hardship as a Millenial too, from the Baby Boomers (ages ~50-60) and even worse from the prior generations (60+). I could only imagine the resent shown towards gen Z and the alienation they must feel. I find myself relating to both worlds, growing up without the internet and then coming of age along with it, and now being an adult within this technological age.
One of the biggest disconnects I find between younger and older generations is the notion of access to information and how it is used to shape our perspectives and beliefs about the world and other people.
Older gens grew up with much more limited access, relying on school, tv or written media, and books. It took much more time to learn as their information took longer to deliver, research, and afford access to. Naturally, they took in the lessons that they were given and ran with them, allowing the fragments of information available at that time to become the basis of their entire worldview. Many of them continue to believe that learning still works this way, so they are unintentionally ignorant off the level of accessibility to information, emotionality, global perspective, and speed of learning at which the younger gens are accustomed to today.
Our youth are getting smarter much faster and have more to be emotional about, given the constant flow of & access to the internet of things. Then these kids are left with all this knowledge they are trying to make sense of, but their parents don't relate to that in their own experience of being a youth and so they have a hard time accepting the global perspective and seeing the youth's knowledge as valid when they refer to the internet for their source of information. Our youth are feeling immense pressure over their heads because they develop a global awareness and concern for the issues of the world long before they are actually able to do anything about them, especially when their worries and knowledge are not taken seriously by those who are raising them.
I have to say 💭 though, not all the information on the internet is accurate. So the knowledge is not as relative as it should or can be. Not everything that is posted on the internet is a true source. And yes the availability of information can be a burden, but it is how you critique it with sources that can help it be more useful.
@@everadz I agree, I think information overload is a huge problem but much of the information is false, and this"knowledge" gives a certain arrogance to many who grew up with the internet when debating, I don't know if they still teach the Socratic Method in schools, if so I certainly don't see it used much during discussion anymore.
@@nedi1150 Any form of education is consequential and there seems to be less and less consequence to the amount of knowledge out there. As Stan Lee said, "With great power comes great responsibility." I reciprocating to your response Nedi, and that the lack of responsibility of the information shows the lack of responsibility which all people should be held accounted for, not just one generation. All generations need to stop supporting these barriers and become an element of one. Borderizing who is what and who is not only reinforces what the system has already created, internal division.
@@everadz I agree, and to clarify, I'm not at all blaming any one generation, I am 38 and was 20 when I got my first phone, I was 25 when I owned my first laptop and 27 when I had the first internet connection that wasn't dial-up, I can't imagine what it is like to have played games online as a toddler and grow up using the internet to talk to friends outside of school, to research homework and to connect and game with strangers around the world and they have no idea what it was like to grow up only being able to talk to your friends only at school, research your homework in encyclopedias, get irregular letters from penpals, finally play snake on a mobile phone at the age of 20 and be amazed....
It was my 21st birthday when Twin Towers9/11 happened, live phone calls conflicted with live news, friends from the UK watching their live BBC news said Building 7 had collapsed while across the water in Ireland(and rest of world), live news did not, then 20 minutes later building 7 collapsed live, conspiracies aside whatever the reason for BBC early LIVE report on something that hadn't yet happened, that was the first time in my life I had a 100% reason to be extremely suspicious of news. The younger generations can find and see inconsistencies and conflicting news practically instantly but where's the truth, probably somewhere in the middle.
Each generation has their own story about how advancements made them grow up different from the generation before them and after them but in recent decades it has been very fast and I think that is the problem, once we progress this fast we can not know the outcome, good or bad, as humans we are changed forever, both physically and psychologically, they're rolling out 5G, yet we know the dangers of radiation, how can we think this, another advancement is a good idea, what will be the outcome??
Divide and conquer works a charm, everyone is so distracted blaming their opposition, they don't see the big picture, they don't see what all of us should be opposing for the better of humanity. We are presently living in a time where the races are becoming divided again, the genders are divided, the religions are divided, the generations are divided, the political divide is wider than ever, the vocal majority of both sides are now intolerant and mostly living in an echo chamber.
Wow, I do apologise for the very long rant, I just went on, I forgot I was in a YT comment section...I am not better or worse than any generation that came before me or will come after me, but I am a product of previous generations and future generations are a product of mine, we all must accept responsibility for the consequences of what we welcomed for an easier life. Love and light always
@@nedi1150 I was not at all blaming I was just being general.. I will have to read your rant looks interesting
Kyle! Thanks for sharing your story! I related to that. Instead of inspiring something in me, whenever my mother has told my a story like that of the kid without arm or legs, it would just make me feel worse.
They left us a world that's cursed and it...hurts -Tupac Shakur
The fact that some of this was not even close to how I feel as a depressed teen. This irritates me
Hey Katie.. Your comment got my attention.. and was frustrating because, well, that just sucks! So.. I’m a 36 yo mom of a 16 year old girl... on here randomly, but I’m just so curious if I could get a teen’s actual specific reasons they are depressed. Sounds like you may be the perfect person to ask? By the way, this is in NO way looking down or questioning the validity of teens’ depression. Quite the opposite. I feel like we literally can’t understand because it IS just sooo different for you guys. Thanks and I wish you well!
@@ericacosat9557 I'm not Katie but I'm also a depressed 16 year old. I mostly depressed because I'm very lonely. It feels like no one ever wants to talk to me. Reason number two is that older generations might not listen, number three is that the economy. It's hard to imagine me growing up and getting a job and getting a decent home, and the political system is so messed up
@@squeakSquak same here, i wss talking to my mom yesterday (she told me not to bottle up my emotions since i always keep things for myself) she told me: but how is this generation so weird and depressed? You have it all easy!. I responded that it was not that i am not grateful for what i have, but it was that if "everything is so easy for us" i always pushed myself to do a greater effort and show myself that i am capable of going beyond that, but the feeling of faillure makes me feel even more misserable of achieving something consideres "easy"; then i start thinking that my best is never enough and that i am not prepared to be an adult. From a young age i started concerning for my parents overspending on products and i struggle with the idea of not making enough money while i live on a "third world country". I am a good student, but not quite excelent to get an scholarship either, so i am constantly trying new things to start figuring out what i want or best study without getting much success on my quest. So this is pretty much a perspective of a 16 years old, considering there are many other factors that teens these days are concerned about (some of my friends are concerned about their sexuality, some otrhers about their health, and some others about not finding a partner to "feel loved") so everyone has their priorities; some of these are today's most common struggles).
The previous generations could survive off jobs without college degrees and had lower tuition rates,lower cost of living, had more unions, etc...
They also did not have to worry about their jobs getting shipped overseas from international companies
Younger generations have:
Much much higher costs of living
More prohibitively expensive college tuition fees
Little-to-no bargaining power at work
We also have to deal with the fact that these wealthy companies will undoubtably ship your job overseas in a heartbeat the moment they figure out how too.
It's no wonder this generation is more prone to self medicate with recreational drugs to numb themselves to the cruel and harsh reality of life.
I agree with you man. Speaking as a genzennial. I was born in 1999.
I feel depressed because of this: My parents always pull me into ther arguments and start yelling at me, I am forced to stay with them and show affection for them no matter what they do to me, they want me to always study because they want me to go to meds school, they laugh at me whenever they make me cry which just makes me cry more, they make me feel scared sometimes when they enter the room or call my name, they give me low self esteem and convince me that I am ungrateful and whenever I complain they name all the things they buy for me, they expect responsibility from me and will not let me join other kids in activities
Leave man. You don't deserve that toxicity. When you grow older and have more money, go to another place that is far away from them, and don't look back. You deserve a life of happiness, joy, and positivity. Live the life that you want to live. Don't go back to them. You don't deserve them. You are not worthless. You are special. Everyone is special. You are stronger than your thoughts and feelings. You are the only person that can control you. You can do it man. I know you can place yourself in a better situation.
This sounds like verbal & emotional abuse, possibly even evidence of a personality disorder in one or both parents.
Laughing at one’s own child after making them cry is super messed up under any circumstances. So is using the fact that they pay for your necessities as a means to shut down conversation, and isolating you from your peers. Kids are naturally wired to love and trust their parents, so if the child constantly sees them as a source of fear and distress, it means the parents are probably doing something very wrong.
There’s information online & support groups that can help you deal with your parents while you’re stuck living with them (for instance, the subreddit r/raisedbynarcissists has a pretty good collection of resources).
Remember, you didn’t ask to be born, or to be their child - they’re the ones who started this, not you. You don’t owe them your happiness or your mental health, and you have just as much a right to those things as everybody else.
I also definitely think that older generations are less likely to open up and face their struggles. Younger generations are much more open in saying what's wrong, etc but because of the "when I was your age" attitude younger generations are made to feel overly sensitive and dramatic which makes them feel worse and doesn't actually help the situation.
for me (gen z) it is because of my parents and the education system . social media has become a place for me to communicate with people who are just like ME who understand MY struggles and MY pain. people who know what I’M going through. Especially during this quarantine being stuck at home with my parents. I’ve been talked out of 2 suicide attempts by my friends by social media.
MY ME MY ME focus on some one else for a change and you will be better talk to real people do sports go outside move into a positive direction, If you only focus on yourself you will experience all the pain by yourself boomersget through life not because their life is easier its because they have something to suffer for you dont construct a life worth living or die no other choice
@@antoinebarquet9491 Why are you being so cruel to this person? They are clearly in a dark place. Take that attitude elsewhere.
Couldn't is also be simply that children were under-diagnosed back then? There wasn't as much child/teen psychology back then as now. So couldn't it be that it was always present, but now we are putting a label on it and giving people help, whereas back then they wouldn't have that.
On the flip side: the planet is dying, there is increase gun violence in schools, places of worship. So they're not safe anywhere. Imagine being born into that. Being a teenager, when you're full of hormones and brain development, and dealing with that. I think it IS harder now than it was 50 years ago (maybe even 30 years ago).
I totally believe the under-diagnosed take on the story. Those previous generations that had to just "suck it up", then developed poor coping mechanisms. They went on to be drinkers, compulsive shoppers, have co-dependency issues etc. They are very removed from their true selves as they buried that away long ago. Also, you are right that the future is less certain, optimism is hard when like you say the planet is dying and kids are getting shot at school at an increasing rate.
That is certainly a factor, but it gets a bit undermined if you look at the suicide rates from these times vs now (and theyre drastically higher now ).
Generation Z is degenerative and lacks traditional wholesome values and that's why you all are depressed, you create your own demise. Stop sleeping around with boys and start talking to the one that actually cares about you and men need to stop letting women rule society and push them around. The very fact that someone will find the sexist is proof that you all are lost. Truth and facts are insults to you freaks.
@@RedPlaystationController Most gen z kids really cant talk to their own parents without getting discouraged, it's not there fault there getting depressed it the fact the world isnt as nice as it seems, so basically people like you are calling a whole generation whores when in reality some of them want to live life but cant because of money, homophobia and racistism. Next time remember that it's not them, it's not even you, there people around the world getting beat up for the things they can't change (like skin or sexual orientation)
T R U T H yeah guess what bud, I’m not a whore and have traditional values but I’m still majorly depressed, what your new diagnosis doc?
I’m going to go out on a limb here. This guy nailed a few points. When I was younger I had some freedom as a child. I’d go biking with my friends and just interact with a human. The one thing I lacked was my parents being around and wanting to talk to someone about some issues I had. It was hard to talk with friends about some issues I had most likely due to machismo. My parents worked very hard for my brother and I and trust me I’m so thankful but they were always so exhausted to give attention as their children. This affected me all the way through college and I became depressed because I had no one to talk to who actually have a shit. This in turn made me hold in my emotions and I just kept telling myself to suck it up because I’m a guy. I remember one day I just started crying and it felt like a huge emotional weight just lifted off me. Never hold it in. I’m a grown man now with two children and I discuss what I can with my wife, I’m really trying to open up.
Crying is so freeing, and the idea that men shouldn’t cry is bullshit... there’s nothing wrong with it and it’s healthy to do from time to time. We all feel emotions, yet a lot of us get judged for showing it. Society is fucked up
In my perspective I feel like we are more depressed due to lack of community and connection,Social media may connect us but at the same time we are not connecting with each other enough.
I hate it when they say "Well you don't have it as bad as this person, so you shouldn't be acting this way." Like, I know that my situation isn't as horrible as their's, but that doesn't make my pain any less relevant. And when you compare my situation to someone else, that makes me feel even worse, because now I feel like a horrible person for feeling this way, when my life is better than theirs.
The main reason that younger people have increased depression now is that SOCIETY failed them. Gamers rise up.
K
Wow just wow
You piss me off. I don't mean to be rude but that profile picture, user name and the comment just shout Spastic.
Boys meet me at 0400. We are going to eliminate society
We literally got fucking spawn killed by the world
I think Kyle's example shows how we should pay close attention to the people around us and their behavior. Also, we should stop comparing one's problems to another one's problems. What may not be an issue to somebody else, can be a huge burden to you and vice versa. I hate the whole "oh, but there are bigger problems in the world" mindset. Yes, they are a larger scale, but those problems are not affecting that individual directly and even those affected by it have probably some personal issues which they value more important than the "bigger" problem they are facing. Everybody is encouraging people to speak up, yet at the same time they bring them down and tell them their problems are not important. Just because there are other problems in the world, does not mean your situation does not matter.
Laura, you need to get out there and preach. What a wonderful message. Put it all into perspective and great explanation. Thank you for this message 🙏
Well said! We are in a huge mental health crisis! The last thing anyone needing their voice heard is to be shamed, as if there is should be a comparison! I know this feeling well! And, it keeps people from reaching out!
I’m 29 and I agree with all of the things these guys said. A lot of kids now talk more trash and moody. And won’t listen to their parents. Plus when they talk trash about a adult they can’t look them in the eyes and can’t listen to authority when someone is older than them. Plus kids nowadays are more sensitive and less caring and they are unaware of the impact of their surroundings.
Kids these day! 👴🏼Cmon…you ain’t 29 Boomer…
Yup i'm part of the depressed young "adults" sometimes I wonder, why even exists when mostly I stress/feel sad/never feel happy.
I feel like gen z are more prone to faking depression, depression is starting to lose its meaning over the years, people are mixing it with being upset and sad. It’s more than that.
Parenting style is a big one, there is a huge disconnect which isn't addressed much.
I feel like alot of it is also that our future is way more uncertain. We now know so many jobs, we have access to so many places and its kinda like so where do I go now? What am I aiming for? Older generations had their parents telling them what to do and what job to get and that was their career for the rest of their life whereas nowadays people are moving jobs every 5 years and even changing sectors. You don't have as many social norms like marrying or getting your own house. So what is certain in our future? Especially with technology constantly and radically changing the shape of our future.
May God bless you ❤ with encouragement and His love. I pray that you will find good individuals in your life. I pray that God will help you find happiness 😊 & joy. In His name we pray in Jesus Christ, amen ❤🎉
Comparing your child to someone else who does better or "has it much worse" does nothing but make the situation far far worse
I’m 11 and dealing with social anxiety, anxiety, and Crying more often, I used cry myself to sleep when I was younger to, I wasn’t depressed I had no idea what was wrong with me. I had never heard of mental illnesses, and I feel like I’m to young to be feeling like this. Ppl say “when I was ur age I went outside and wasn’t depressed “ well guess what, not my fault I wasn’t born in freaking 1964
My mother : Notice all the signs that her child is depressed
My mother's solution : Let's scream at her child more about what she's doing wrong so she hopefully change and assume it will cure her depression
Outcome : Did not help, also I don't talk to her anymore :)
When I was a child, I started to get quite depressed in primary school. For many nights, I would get sleep paralysis and exploding head syndrome. When I recounted to my uncle that I saw a dark figure standing next to my bed when I woke up, he just sighed and thought I was lying or something. I'm glad the internet existed so I could find out what I was experiencing, because I felt like no adult helped me.
Oh dear! 😳 The way Kyle described himself as a child is exactly the way my son is. While he hasn’t grabbed a knife yet, he has talked about it. I’m going to get him to see a therapist. Thank you MedCircle for putting out this content, and thank you Kyle for bravely sharing part of your story.
As a younger person the lack of human interaction in person deos depress me
a gen z, it is bascially because of social media, the pandemic, and drama, drama videos are becoming more popular making loads of us more negative and i know this from experience, we keep getting worked up over nothing and the pandemic forced us to stay inside and just watch stuff online and it really negatively effected us, everyone is just so negative and it is easy to get sucked into, and then comes guilt and remorse
Social media contributes to depression a lot. Its like we killing each other through our highlight reels, buying shit we dont need so we can pretend like we doin some happy shit in our life
So in a nut shell, the technology that adults invented is causing depression in the younger generation. Then they are called weak by the older generation because of their depression and lack of social skills.
Exactly like I don't understand that
This require hindsight and critical thinking skills which most people lack in general. So its much easier to blame an entire group of people. Its no different than how something like racism manifests itself
A lot of kids in Generation Z and Alpha are killing themselves due to bullying at school blame Horace Mann for that
We have to look at the overall problems on the rise that cause mental health issues - murder, abuse and bullying. Not to mention cases of ASPD and NPD traits are encouraged and practiced through social media and in the home more. We have more awareness now but we dont have the same amount of empathy as then.
Lets see: prices for everything are astronomical, college doesnt guarantee a job that pays $18/hr let alone $20/hr + covering student loan debt and basic necessities. IF they're able to land a job after college, they'll most likely be an "at will" employee, meaning you're able to be fired at any time for any reason. Plus the ridiculous cost of healthcare, so better not ever get sick ever (impossible). Nothing is going for them, obviously this will cause hopelessness and despair. The current system is unsustainable
May God bless you ❤ with encouragement and His love. I pray that you will find good individuals in your life. I pray that God will help you find happiness 😊 & joy. In His name we pray in Jesus Christ, amen ❤🎉
I think it also has to do with all the negative information readily available online causing pessimism and depression about the worlds as a whole
depression is diagnosed more often now than ever before, that's why the numbers are higher now.
A big part of depression is from technological advancements and kids becoming addicted to these as an escape from all their issues.
Games are generally designed to be as addictive as possible so you keep coming back to it, spending more time, money etc on it. Then that is all the kid wants to do, just get artificial satisfaction all the time and by the time they grow up and want real connections and values it is almost impossible because of how they were not growing these skills in their crucial years, making them self conscious, anxious and whatever else.
The companies who make these products as addictive as possible are the downfall for so many young people like myself.
Anc we know the world is dieing.. its sad, really.
I think a huge problem now is that the pressure is so high. There are so many world problems that we are constantly having forced down our throats that we know no one is fixing and know is going to be a lot of issues for us to fix.
Also because for the first time we have to work hard otherwise we won't get a good life. From a very young age I was hounded with what I wanted to do when I was older and now if I don't get good grades my life is fucked before it even started.
Also people constantly tell you how unsocial you are and how bad social media is but it is a lot harder to just meet people now and do things together. You feel isolated not just because of social media but also because of how people remind you you are. People tell you how you are doing childhood wrong.
So there is a huge pressure of look at all these huge problems, your life is going to be shit and you don't even enjoy your childhood properly which are supposed to be the best years of your life and you have to fix it now. No other generation has had to deal with this before.
When you hate your childhood and know this is as good as it is going to get then what's the point in continuing?
Young people are brought into this world full of creep comforts that has left them ill equipped to handle the real world, life is tough, it's sometimes brutal, the older generations had their struggles but they knew they had to plow through, they understood and accepted the hardships that comes with being a living sentient being instead of spending their daily lives whining and complaining perpetuating their negativity, it really is true to a good extent that you really do need to suck it up.
That also resulted in past generations having a lot of mental health problems that were pushed under the rug as to not ruin appearances.
With boomers and other past generations, those who were mentally ill were locked away from the public. Families went to great lengths to hide their "mistakes".
With boomers and also a few gen X , we say a serial killer boom and crime rates skyrocketed.
The older generations dealt with their problems in a toxic way as well.
@@penny4thought168 We didn't grow up with a smartphone or social media.
You guys are so lost and you can't even see it.
@@Wings_of_foam Okay kiddo. You grew up murdering people and children, but we're bad for having a mobile phone.
Good to see where your priorities lay.
@@penny4thought168 How messed up, are you?
I'm born in 81.
My god, you are toxic.
It's funny how you use the term kiddo.
I think we found the real psycho here.
@@Wings_of_foam No? I'm saying there were for "serial killers" in the 80's.
May I ask why you think I'm a psycho yet you're the one saying that your generation was perfect and mental illness didn't exist?
I think it's important for you to remember that the economy isn't the same as you were when you were a child. It's trashed, and people can't really afford basic necessities today. The poverty line has also grew.
There are so many reasons as to why this generation is depressed but it's unclear why you refuse to look outside your little bubble and see it.
i went to school uphill in the snow on foot too, dont see me complaining.
I think the “get over it” attitude let the mental health problems pile up. It created generational trauma like a snowball effect. So no, it’s not just social media or current parenting styles are wrong, it’s that there is big fat roots to the problem that definitely stem waaaaay before millennials were born into this world
What about the fact we can’t afford a home… can’t afford children…. Can’t afford to live… why wouldn’t we be depressed unless we are nepotistic
Good grief! Great discussion! Adults thought that kids being depressed was a luxury...and that was the 80's! But symptoms are symptoms, signs are signs & ignoring them helps no one. Granted, many parents just hadn't a clue as to how to approach certain issues evident in their kids' behaviour. But honestly, by the time the 80's had rolled around...there wasn't much excuse for parents feigning ignorance. There were just too many resources & educational aids plastered literally everywhere. There truly ought to be 'mandatory' courses (for soon-to-be parents) to instruct on identifying issues & offering coping mechanisms to their kids. Just basics, instead of burying their parental heads in the sand, when issues arise. Would make a great difference, imo.
I honestly hate that I can only turn to my phone or Xbox because I have no friends and it’s hard to make friends when everyone is looking down at their phones when I go out with family I almost never bring my phone because I’m not there to be on my phone
We got born into a broken world. Climate change is getting worse and worse every year, the divorce rate among adults is at it's highest, school is getting harder and you basically have to to go collage now to have even a chance of success in life, and the internet has made kids grow up and lose their innocence at alarming rates
Older generations passed the trauma onto us and they never healed them selves, we are finally waking up and healing ourselves so we don’t pass it on to our children and grandchildren!
our communication skills have not gone down and apparently we are the smartest generations so far and why most of us are getting depressed is because high bullying factors and pressure from grown ups to be better than we already are
The smartest people in the world actually had depression.
I don't think gen z is the smartest generation
When we talk about statistics like increasing depression, self harm, etc are there ways that we can account for the variable of under reporting? It seems to me like the tendency to "keep things in the home" rather than seek help changes from generation to generation. So are the statisticians that are looking into these things using some kind of techniques to account for this or can we only go by the numbers we have as they are?
Well it's undermined by the suicide rates being higher that ever and people who study the older generations
I feel like the reason why it’s affecting us (Gen Z Most) is the world we live in today shape by boomers who left us anything but in turmoil
Invention of IPhone, digitized way of living, social media apps constantly showing all party people everyone having fun, sex, party, more friends it’s that image that runs in most media today not just social media but in films, music, books etc people who have mental disorder or ahdh have hard time adjusting today’s society
I think one reason besides the internet, is that we are constantly told we are going to die. The paranoia installed into us from death and kidnapping has lead to us becoming far more isolated an afraid for our lives.
I found this conversation a great, "Lets truly open up our eyes," discussion! Due to when I was born, my upbringing, already setup for brain illness, and psychological issues, along with raising kids young, having grandchildren already, there's so much to express! I truly believe these conversations, especially now can assist in how we can evaluate what's important, and ultimately necessary to alter the course of social issues & interventions!
I'm around Kyle's age and honestly feel depressed as an adult because there was more to do as a kid when we would interact with people and the world around us. Ride bikes and not have to be home until just before dark, we would play tag and other games to interact with other kids, we would cruise the mall and those are almost all closing now. As an adult it seems to me there's less things to do out in the world besides spending money, consuming food and alcohol, going to concerts, and everything else is events that are "family friendly" and devoted to families bringing their kids to a fair or Trunk Or Treat. So we grow up, get paired off with a significant other, and with the time left after work, are basically holed up in our homes or apartments with nothing to do but look at our phones, watch youtube, or use a streaming service. Just the other day I was like, "I grew up full of hope that life as an adult would be better, and this is it?" Sure people would say life is what you make it, but after covid, it feels like we live in a cultural waste land, and there's not many events to go to that aren't devoted to religion, being a parent, or cost a fortune to attend. I think we can do better, but have no idea how to make it that way.
I think it’s that the internet and media pressures people to be beautiful or that we NEED certain things. I don’t think that Gen Z has more cases of depression, I believe that more of them have come out , willingly trying to seek help. I think that much of the older generation just haven’t been diagnosed.
Well I still think gen z have more cases or the depression is worse because the suicide rate is way higher. isn't it the older generation fault for making depression such a bad thing and then trying to pass it down to us. One of the main reasons for younger generations depression is that the older generations calls us snowflakes or sensitive so we have no sympathy for them
When it comes to social media I think it’s the constant comparison of people showing off their achievements. You work all your life mastering a skill/hobby and there’s millions of people on the internet doing the same thing but better. Social media breeds envy especially in teenagers and young adults. It’s best to ignore social media and do things because you enjoy it, not to keep up with the Joneses or prove self-worth.
On a societal level, I would say wide and growing inequality is causing younger people to be depressed more frequently. There is a hollowing out of the middle class in the west. It's harder to get a job that will enable someone to have upward social mobility. Kids today have to compete against most of the world, whereas the Boomers were protected by tariffs and other non trade barriers and about a third of the world was under Communism so didn't compete at all against westerners.
School is getting harder and more pressurized. Kids have much more frequent testing and with much higher stakes than in the past.
Yet isn't it funny that the young millenials are now leaning towards communistic and socialistic economic models?
You're right about less competition for older generations but wrong about the reasoning why. Technology is killing more jobs than anything else. Before mass computing came in the 80's, 90's people had to make collect, summarize, and analyze data. There were a ton of white collar jobs. There were also a ton of manufacturing jobs. These jobs have been outsourced, computerized, and mechanized. I'm thinking about just accounting, you used to need accounting clerks, bookeepers, accounts payable, sales tax accounting, income tax, accounts receivable, ect at large corporations. Now about 10 people and enterprise resource software can do all of the accounting functions instead of a couple hundred. Meanwhile our government, schools, courts are still operating like its 1985.
Theres always wide inequality. That’s not the reason. People are just soft today and entitled
@@darbyohara facts
Screw my generation, it’s not like me or anyone is amounting to anything. Why are we even here?
I think what makes the younger generation depressed is the lack of purpose, we are so confortable now that we dont really need anything else, hence people dont have stuff to do and must face the purpose of life on a daily basis. We arent distracted by things to do anymore.
This is me 100%
biggest contributor is feeling alone. People swipe for relationships and expect an immediate connection. If theres no immediate connection, they give up and move on to something "better" and half the time never find "better" and end up being alone. Mostly by ghosting which is terrible and shows no regard, leaving the ghosted person feeling worthless. Connections take time and no one is willing to put in the time to get to know someone. Imagine if you had to go on a long car ride with a stranger for a week straight. Theres a high chance you would have a new friendship/relationship by the end.
It's probably because society has evolved into an unpleasant experience as adults and there is no real precedent to look back on analogous to these times. Stress full, over worked, rising cost of living, political & economic deterioration... The only thing good about these times is that we have unique tools to solve our problems and the current world power is relatively benign.
Btw the education system in the US is inherently flawed. A cookie cutter method of teaching. We are putting our kids through a mind blender during there formative years.
You know some of our mental problems don't come from social media because some of us don't have it. Some of it comes from pressure from older generations, if we try to say something we get pushed to the side, and some of it is because we don't have anyone close to us to talk to or relate to. Just remember that you can't blame everything on social media. All you have to do is listen...so please listen to us.
I feel like gen z is all collectively depressed at similar situations and that’s why we sorta internally relate to one another 💀
Correct
EVEN I FAILED TO REMOVE EVERYONES MENTAL ILLNESS
world is over populated now, new gen have no space to stand
Children are forming their identities by learning from their environment, and by watching and evaluating what they see and hear in their social circles. They try to make a place for themselves and to fit in in those circles.
But those circles aren't in the real world anymore, they're online and you cannot form your identity online, since the brain isn't equipped to do so based on such a huge pool of people, behaviors and thoughts. There's too much of people to compare yourself with.
I remember when I grew up in the 80's and 90's. All I was worried about was to fit in a limited, fairly small group of friends and acquintances and it wasn't hard at all. And whatever embarrassing I may have done didn't end up on the internet and did't (and still doesn't) follow me around.
How awful would it be if it did 🥶
NO OFFENSE TO YOU ALL! I'm doing this out of good intent.
God does love non Christians. God knows we are all sinners. What is sin? Sin is an action that is not good and done or thought out of bad intentions. We all lie, trick others, and are prideful/selfish sometimes. God (Jesus Christ) came down in the form as an human and died for our sins. He resurrected from death thus we can also defeat death 💀 if anyone of us accept Him as Savior for our sins.
We cannot save ourselves from sin no matter how many good deeds we do. Everyday we sin. Christians do too. But if you are a Christian ✝️, you will go to heaven when God plays back your whole life to you. But if you die without being a Christian ✝️, then you will suffer forever 💔 without being in heaven.
God doesn't judge you based on worldly success nor physical attraction. Jesus Christ loves ❤️ you and values your character. If u end up being poor, He still won't abandon you. You can pray 🙏 to reach out to Him, and you'll see what He will do for you and others. Sometimes He will see if you will trust His will which is not always the same as your will nor desire. But He does what He knows is best for you despite us not knowing that. Have a nice day!
5:53 When I was 13 and my mom and my schools would show me things like this and I had the same reaction as he did and it burned this saying deep into my brain "I have no reasons to be depressed, every problem I have is my fault and only my fault" even though I was still just a kid I could look at all the bad things that have happened to me and my family and find a way to blame it on me. I still have depression and anxiety and a handful of otger mental issues I haven't had resolved yet and I really need to get them fixed soon. The only thing keeping me alive other than my siblings and mother is that I always try to give myself the chance to see tomorrow, it doesnt help with anything, but it keeps me from plunging a knife into my neck.
It's mostly lack of social interaction/lack of society. During the Great Depression people mostly had close-knit extended families and communities where people knew one another. Being in a foxhole with friends and allies is less depressing than getting doordash alone.
Despite being in a relatively loving family my moderate depression stems from my atopic dermatitis and the social stigma I get from it - I’ve been avoided in public like I’m a leper or something while also dealing with the pressures of a 16 year old in a Chinese family that likes nitpicking me and going on tangents(aside from the initial problem they pointed me out for) that make me feel like shit as they degrade me by calling me a careless shit, useless pampered brat, garbage, and general verbal and occasional physical confrontations.
Aside from that, I’m also a fat shit from all the emotional eating I do to cope with my self-hate.
I can’t even explain what I feel/or think without being shutdown instantly, being called ignorant, or having a baby mentality just because I was a premature baby which has nothing to do with the other lol.
During the "GREAT Depression" of 1929, the adults at that time believed in the "children should be seen and not heard" philosophy. Many children were depressed, clinically depressed and untreated BUT children should be seen and not heard meant "who cares, the kid will grow out of it (losing a parent, poverty, being forced to raise younger siblings, etc.)
Gen Z be like, bitch please we lived our whole lives in depression and anxiety you can't make us more depressed with a small economical crisis
I’m Gen Z and I came out great! Of course my parents parenting style is way different than my peers so I’m completely different. My peers think it’s weird that I don’t suffer from depression or anxiety. I have met people that have everything and their family is great and they still have depression. Which does make sense
NO OFFENSE TO YOU ALL! I'm doing this out of good intent.
God does love non Christians. God knows we are all sinners. What is sin? Sin is an action that is not good and done or thought out of bad intentions. We all lie, trick others, and are prideful/selfish sometimes. God (Jesus Christ) came down in the form as an human and died for our sins. He resurrected from death thus we can also defeat death 💀 if anyone of us accept Him as Savior for our sins.
We cannot save ourselves from sin no matter how many good deeds we do. Everyday we sin. Christians do too. But if you are a Christian ✝️, you will go to heaven when God plays back your whole life to you. But if you die without being a Christian ✝️, then you will suffer forever 💔 without being in heaven.
God doesn't judge you based on worldly success nor physical attraction. Jesus Christ loves ❤️ you and values your character. If u end up being poor, He still won't abandon you. You can pray 🙏 to reach out to Him, and you'll see what He will do for you and others. Sometimes He will see if you will trust His will which is not always the same as your will nor desire. But He does what He knows is best for you despite us not knowing that. Have a nice day!
Well maybe the current generation feels more depressed because I don't know a majority is plagued by debt for education their parents told them they need, increasing rent and real estate prices enforced by the older generation (and the reliasation that getting your own home is but a distant dream), a planet that is literally perishing in front of our eyes but the lawmakers of today decide that "it's bad for the economy to do XYZ..." oh and forget retiring the pension plans for most european countries are so f*cked up by too many old people and too little kids that we also have to care for ourselves when we're old. Millenials and Gen Z's are people that struggle to find ANYTHING worth living for. Love & Family ? Nah too expensive and y'all both have to work a 9-5 Job to even scrape by with 1-2 kids. Nature? Nah basically dead and you can't see it anyways because you can't afford to go anywhere anyways. Oh and don't forget natural disasters all over the globe. Ambition and career? Nah forget it we have old f*cks who wont retire and block off the ladder to leading positions having you stuck in menial labour for an eternity OR you can't even find and entry level job because you need 7 years expierience. Art? You want to be an artist then get ready to work for free or "exposure". These generatios are among the few people who actually have the means to see that the world is F*CKED all over. From China to the US, there is no greener patch of grass for them only a little less brown and wilted. And then they have people calling them "snowflakes" which is ironically quite fitting because sooner or later there wont be any of them anymore if we don't stop f*cking up everything we touch and actually allow them a life that is worth living!
Depression was viewed as a stigma and also we didn’t have massive support for this which in a way has created a little bit of enabling/lack of willingness to self regulate. Lack of willingness to change the behavior because there is a lot of comfort in misery online that validates them
When he stated that walking miles to school in the snow didn't caused you depression it was because whether it was hard or not whether we were small or not it was an adventure... that is what this new era is missing adventures. Good or bad back in the day we had adventures. And lesson its what made life interesting. With all this technology all the answers to anything you can find on line... where is the fun in that.. ignorance is truly bliss. Also everything is now abusive neglect we're too sensitive. We baby everything now.. again where is the fun in that. Life is a jorney
As for me, I have Bipolar, my dad has Bipolar, my grandma had Bipolar.
The difference I see is that I'm aware I do and they aren't/weren't.
My dad just thinks it is "bad vibes" and he needs to take a bath and pray and keep going and sleep when he is depressed (which is technically right, those are good strategies, but he just isn't aware there is something different), and when he is manic he just thinks it is passion and he has a mission or he needs to burn energy and have fun (and that this is just normal in life).
My grandma was grumpy most of the time, then sometimes she would be energetic, "see things that weren't there", and believe "they" were after her (presumably the government, for no apparent reason, as she made money washing clothes and took care of home and wasn't involved in politics, philosophy, teaching, religion, art, or any sort of influential activity), she is also reported to have "tormenting dreams", but those things were talked about mostly in secret, if at all.