I think given her age and her own mental disorders and drug use, we should not presume that she had complete control over her decisions, especially if we make the assumption that HE could not possibly have control over HIS decisions. A double standard is a reasonable question here. So yes, this woman did an evil thing. But I fear in this case the drive to punish her is based on personal anger rather than on a sound theory of manslaughter.
I don’t know about the theory of man slaughter but I think she played a huge role in the young man’s death and should have spent more time behind bars. Her type never gets better, only gets worse!
@@christar9527 I don’t think anyone is beyond redemption if they want to change and remorse is a good starting point. I haven’t seen any here. She is definitely culpable.
Yeah, those words bounced off the back of my brain too. I was like wth! She encouraged someone to take their own life. That sounds pretty malicious to me.
This particular psychologist L&C uses is honestly a bit off about every opinion, professional or otherwise that she makes. I wish they'd get a better psychologist in their episodes.
Maybe so. But the way I see it, this trial violated the reasonable doubt principle. It assumes that it's crazy or far-fetched to suggest a suicidally depressed person might still be capable of free will, in which case Carter's words would have been no different than anyone else putting pressure on someone else to do a certain thing. So should we declare all suicidally depressed people as incompetent to make their own decisions? Should we assume they have no free ill at all? I don't know the answers to these questions. Just putting the question out there.
If her words caused him to kill someone else she'd be convicted as an accessory or accomplice, but because he killed himself she is walking free today. Makes my heart break for this family and friends.
A persons words can't cause you to do anything. She'd be an accessory because he had agreed with her and gone ahead to kill another which is a crime. Killing yourself is not a crime
Dude made me lose every bit of respect when he says "unfortunately this boy would've killed himself if she opened her mouth or not". The F**K?!? HOW can he know that?
Because she was pathetically desperate for the attention that would come from losing a boyfriend. To me she is a terrifying and dangerous person and should have never been let out.
@@laur131306 It is terrifying how manipulative she was and how she did all that just for attention for herself. She is very evil and disgusting. I don't get how someone can do that to somebody else. I wish she could have been charged with worse than involuntary manslaughter.
She spent months doing that, encouraging him to get help. He wouldn't. Can you imagine the emotional drain that put on a struggling teenage girl? But she couldn't just abandon him, cut things off, because then he'd have no one since he wouldn't seek help. I can see why she'd go the do it or shut up about it route. She should have called ems and got him help, got him the 72 hour hold. I agree that she shares responsibility for his suicide. But jesus, she wasn't in a position to bear his constant crisis.
The family feels HORRIBLE that she is free, she better watch her back. There are people who don't like the fact that she is free. She was safer when she was incarcerated.
Despite everything, Conrad Roy still had hope for him and his future. He would probably still be here today if it wasn't for Michelle Carter. She is a monster and destroyed the light in him.
The 14-24 age range is very difficult for some. I just wish we could reach these people and get them to see that down there road life gets easier- better and don’t give up. Don’t bind yourself to these life constructs like success, marriage, having children or being better than someone else. Just love your life. Just be who you are. That kid was about to be the cats Meow in college and a very good looking man and he was going to find a woman who loved him. Just wish he could have kicked this toxic girl aside and pushed through. Such a sad loss for his family. Hope she deals with it every day.
@@tinawindham6958 99.999999% of bullies never come close to what Michelle did. Read the conversation log (not just from the day of his death, but the whole months’ long log) AND THEN form an opinion. Read the SCOTUS ruling on why they denied her appeal. Or, if you don’t have time for any of that, just go away, because it’s moronic to feel so strongly about something you haven’t researched beyond watching some 20 minute cable documentaries via YT. You people are a plague. I can’t imagine having so little self awareness. I’d LOVE to believe watching Dateline made me an expert on stuff; it’s be so blissful to go through life reaping those rewards - feeling intelligent - without having to put in any effort whatsoever. I actually envy you guys. I’m not being sarcastic; I’m not insulting you; I genuinely, legitimately envy your ignorance and stupidity.
She didn't bully him, she warped his reality by pushing these thoughts on him and made it her mission to push him over the edge by influencing him with the texts. She is a horrible person who deserves the absolute worst from life.
20:09 How can there NOT be malicious intent? She knew he was committing suicide, did not alert the authorities or do anything to provide aid, instead she badgered him to get back into the car and continue his, ultimately successful, suicide. HOW is that not malicious intent?! To me, with her having similar mental health issues, it seems like she was experiencing this by proxy but without the ultimate consequences. Those videos he made, seemed like a young man with mental issues but with a hopeful outlook on his life, she destroyed that, dragging him down into a spiral that lead to his death, the sentence is woefully inadequate, she should've gotten AT LEAST 10 yrs.
That's true 😏..... plus what to expect from another mentally ill teenager herself she was in the mental hospitals texting him at certain points but I did notice in the texts her encouraging him to live change once he didn't say they were going to be a couple maybe the parents are hurt cause he was under their roof and they didn't notice his pain or that he didn't come to them instead of her
You don't believe she did this with malicious intent? What? What kind of sick, twisted nonsense is that? She should've gotten a much longer sentence. This wasn't just about words. This was about pressure and manipulation. This is disturbing on way too many levels. That poor guy deserved so much better. I wish he'd gotten the help he so desperately needed. From mental health professionals. :(
Indeed! No malicious intent- really, Katherine? Usually I'm quite impressed by Katherine's level-headed analysis of cases but in this case it's a no ..... Michelle had the power to make him stop that night, especially as he was having second thoughts. But she pressured him to get back in his car. Yet when interviewed she was lying for her own survival. Poor boy...
Im sorry i wrote my comment before seeing yours! In mansons case words, not actions were his weapon in the murders. Even though she is young and pretty, it doesnt diminish the seriousness and apparent deliberate instructions that she gave
Yeah, she should have gotten a much longer sentence than she got. Nobody should ever date her again and she should never get married or have kids. She should be banned from ever having a cell phone again and sent off into the woods of Massachusetts to live the life of a hermit/ forest ogre forever.
@@NikkiC777 maybe, but when are we going to hold the foot soldiers responsible. I don't think anyone should be punished for having the gift of gab. I know many with said gift, including myself. While I don't use it to destroy, those who do can only do so if the recipient is a willing subject.
The texts that she sent to a friend about her fears if the police found out what she said to him while he was struggling to decide if he wanted to live or die, make me feel that she knew she was doing something really terrible when she egged him on to ...just do it... *I have serious fears of her becoming some sort of an "Angel of Death" if she's allowed to be around babies and/or the elderly... Maybe she'd do things over the Internet, like "Catfishing" someone else into suicide.*
Michelle Carter is dangerous. I am thinking she could be a sociopath or worse but I don’t know enough about her. I think she should have stayed in prison for much longer than she did. This case effects me because I had a “mother “ who did the same thing to me. She repeatedly told me to kill my self when I called her from a bridge ready to end it numerous times. It was usually over the phone. She, like MC, are demons in disguise.
She was literally his free therapist for months before this. A teenage girl shouldn't be given the burden of caring for a suicidal boyfriend. Full stop.
She didint have to be. The logical thing anyone would have done is just block them. Lol the easy way out was to block them. Not spend weeks begging someone to kill themselfs and get mad when they don't. He confused in her because he thought she loved him. This is whyen say don't share emotions with women. Lol. Your response is exactly why. You only care about yourself
@@amityislandchum Yeah, a real therapist wouldn't insist on their patient killing themself. She's just your garden variety attention seeking sociopathic narcissist.
She devil knew exactly what she was doin. She eas very manipulative and played on that young man's issues. She's guilty of Murder!!! Another story where justice doesn't exist.
I wish he'd known enough to not get pressured into this horrible act by someone his age. I don't understand being pressured so deeply to do something so drastic and permanent. She should have never pressured him in this way, and I believe she's guilty. It's a messed up, terrible situation. I hate this, for his family and those who truly loved him.
Conrad Roy struggled with depression as an adolescent male. That is far from rare. To feel some love and support, even if someone in your life does not understand would never tell you to just do it - you talk about it but you don't do it - Hands up all teenagers who have felt suicidal. And then became an adult. And may even have some depression through our lives but we realise we alone can make that decision. To have a cheerleader on the side for your own suicide - well - if anything it would possibly make me more inclined only because your friend is a magnified version of society at large.
Esp where he got very little at home. His entire life. And generational. NO ONE talked about how this poor kid grew up and its not really surprising to those of us who know. Sadly. And people are too afraid to speak out because of it. So fkn sad
She deliberately coerced him to death with evil and malicious intent. She needed to be taught a lesson but I don’t think she will ever learn how to have concern and empathy for others. She just got a slap on the hand with a little jail time. I wish she would wear a mark of some kind so people will know what she’s capable of and avoid her in the future.
The point for me at which she is liable is when he got out of the truck and she told him to get back in and kill himself. He wouldn't have killed himself but for the fact that she pressured him to go back in my opinion. It seems like Conrad was thinking about suicide a lot, however he didn't seem to have a plan at all until she came along and helped him figure out the method, day and time and then continued to ask him when he was going to do it and get mad when he backed out. She manipulated him at the end of the day and all in all this case is just so incredibly sad.
I'm with you...I did a deep dive into this case because depending on what angle it's being presented can easily make a normal person sway more to a side of guilt or innocence. I did my own research and went over the evidence on top of watching the documentary and I'm 100% with you. She was desperate to get attention and what better way to get attention than if your bf dies? So she yelled at him to get back in that truck...and in that moment he wanted to back out and looked to her to tell him he mattered...and she told him to get back in and take his life. It gives me chills 😭😭 even her behavior regarding the charity baseball game in his honor was so inappropriate. To me she is a very....very dangerous and conniving young woman.
Such a handsome young man. So intelligent....he didn't understand that in life, happy is not always the way. Content..sometimes one foot in front of the other. I can't understand it. I just wish he had waited to get out of the teen blues. She did this....he wouldn't have done it alone.
I wish Conrad would have had a POSITIVE gf or friend that actually encouraged him to hang in there and get help. She absolutely ruined him. She's DISGUSTING. No wonder why she doesn't have ANY friends that AREN'T creeped out by her. Shame on her.
The psychologist says 'I don't believe there was malicious intent'...what?? He got out of the van & she made him go back in!! If that's not malicious then I don't know what is.
This case was one that really got me. I wish I could have said so many things to Conrad - you're an OBVIOUSLY intelligent, articulate young man. It gets better guys. It gets better.
The look on her face when the judge gave her the sentence! Cold Hearted Wench... Who pushes someone to go on and kill themselves? Let's hope when and if she has kids, that they get a friend EXACTLY like her.
really? the best "punishment" you can think of for her is to target her kids who have nothing to do with this? this has got to be one of the dumbest comments i have ever read
I don't care what you think about my comment. This demon should feel exactly what his parents felt when she decided to help him die! The audacity of her. I hope she doesn't have any kids at all...I'm sure you think she is 'sorry' SMMFH!
@@divasmelody LMAOO i really need to have more understanding dealing with little kids in a comment section tbh. i love how u immediately get defensive & think i'm against u. so according to your logic if a criminal has kids, their kids somehow deserve the blame? you're hilarious xx i hope u never have kids either
@@h00liaa You came under my comment. You are free to post under the video like I did. So yes I'm gonna respond to you under MY post. I'm not defensive, it's MY opinion. I have kids, adult kids and none of them are dead because their friends helped them die. No I don't think her kids should suffer, I said I hope her kids get friends like her because obviously you and the court think she did nothing wrong. Why are you so pressed? Are you this demon pretending to be Julia? Hmm 🧐
She absolutely deserved much more time than she got, and she's clearly a POS, but bringing kids into anything is ehhhhh.... I mean, kids are innocent. No child deserves this treatment, and if this case should have taught anyone anything it's that children are already suffering. Why wish more suffering on them just to hurt the parent? It's like divorced or separated parents who use their children against each other. Children aren't weapons. They aren't pawns. They don't deserve to suffer any horrible fate, even if it's to teach their parents "how it feels"...
How does anybody know whether or not Conrad sought Michelle's help to force him through the process of suicide???? But then again this is similar to those who get charged for assisting suicide in jurisdictions where suicide is illegal. All in all a very sad case. Conrad obviously did not get the help he needed nor did Michelle. She was battling her own demons and may have actually thought that she was doing Conrad a favour by helping him escape the prison he felt trapped in.
Idk why she is out now. She deserve to be in the jail. Cameron herron doesnt meant to kill woman and kid and he took 24 years. She deserve to be in the jail Forever.
I'm not being funny or sarcastic....but why do you believe she should've had a long sentence? Did you see the texts back in forth? Is it actually her fault he killed himself in your opinion?
This young teenager was parroting his dad's words to him and his mother might have been backing it up but what he said about himself he heard that from his parents dad needs to do some time also.
.My Deepest Condolences to the Family of Conrad. To his Sister, I'm so sorry sweetheart. 💔 we never really know what someone else going through, no one. So it's always important to be kind. And just because we don't understand doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Rest in Heaven Conrad. 💜
This just shows how lost our young people are. There is a solution. Not an easy one. But we need to introduce them to a heavenly Father who can love and mentor them.
From a psychiatrist standpoint, it is actually not very uncommon for antidepressants to induce mania. Many people who actually have bipolar disorder end up being misdiagnosed with depression and put on antidepressants. When that happens, it can very easily induce mania. They acted like it's extremely rare for antidepressants to induce mania, but it's really not.
That’s right arrest the so called gf who only spoke words instead of the parents who constantly forced him to see domestic violence and had the responsibility of their child’s well being, since u feel someone should be arrested!
Charles Manson only spoke words. He never actual killed anyone himself. But I bet you think that's different huh. Hmmmm. I wonder if it's because deep down you don't think females should be held accountable for anything
she is sick and i can honestly see her doing this to someone else. i really hate that they are making all these movies/shows, documentaries. her narcissistic behavior probably loves the attention.
I never know how to feel about this. I know sentencing her to life wouldn't be fair in my eyes... but not punishing her basically sets a terrible president. I just can't make heads or tails of her actions. I cannot understand it.
She should've been given 25-life, *plus an additional 10 years for those eyebrows.* I feel for Conrad's family, how heartbreaking to not only lose your loved one in such a terrible way but then have to come to terms with the fact that someone who YOU had developed a relationship with, allowed to come to the funeral, believed their grief and accepted their support during such a tragic time, had actually ENCOURAGED him to take his own life and did nothing to stop or prevent it from happening. Then sitting through a long drawn out trial and listening to all of the details only to be forced to accept the fact that this POS got nothing more than a slap on the wrist! ABSOLUTELY APPALLING.
Well said! She loved playing all her games with peoples heads. She was looking for attention and was depraved enough to go to his funeral and pretend she was grieving. This evil POS/sociopath got away with murder and manipulated many people.
Come on...WHYYY was he so depressed? WHY did he get involved with someone like her and let her talk him back into the suicide after he backed out?? It blows my mind how many people did NOT ask the right questions as to why he ended up like that. SO many people wished they did.
@@Em22-wtf Agreed. Clearly his family has responsibility here, as it’s mentioned domestic violence was happening, the video of him saying those things about himself were either told to him, or, as open as he was, it had to have been mentioned to his parents. His parents have as much fault in my mind, minus the huge part where she apparently told him to get back in the car… That part for me, allows her to be slightly more accountable than them, but the parents are key here.
I think the Judge made a historically wise decision on the verdict and sentence in this unique case. Tragic and hopefully enlightening for those necessary. Please be kind to everyone. You never know what someone else going through.
The thing is Michelle did tried to save him from the start however her mental health went downhill and probably she just got fed up with him in the end constantly saying he wants to kill himself
The thing that people dont realize when they are depressed and suicidal is that life will ALWAYS get better!!! If you take your life, you take that depression into your afterlife! And you you will be stuck with that pain & depression for eternity! Dont give up! Life gets better & you deserve happiness & happiness will come!
Actually no, life doesn't _always_ get better for some people. Some problems are permanent. Spouting patitudes are not going to make it better. People with serious problems need serious resolution. Taking your depression. Into the afterlife? This life is it, there is nothing after this. This why his case is a tragedy.
This is so painful to watch especially since help is available free of charge on the internet covering subjects that teenagers are dealing with like low self esteem. Of course the information is Bible based, so folks will pass it up so they dont get teased and kill themselves instead. This was a life that shouldn't have ended this way.
No justice has been done here. The sentence was much too short. This woman is not normal, she`ll be heard from again in a negative way. Poor Conrad, he had so much to live for.
I feel like if she was charged they would need to go back in time and I guess going forward and charge all the Bullies online, in schools, work and neighborhoods. Sometimes humans are mentally weak and are overwhelmed and overcome by theses evil bullies that need to be dealt with from the root. Wake up America we need to stop the bullying. We are loosing senseless lives and who knows some of these people with the proper role models could have potentially have had world or life changing capabilities.
Thats ridiculous so what she said do it. He kept saying he was going to do it bcos he had tried to do it before so bcos she told him to do it so he could be happy he was miserable so bcos she kept saying do it maybe he wouldnt. But to tell someone to do it through texting is not her fault he wanted to die with or without her he was going to do it. She psychologically made him do it is ridiculous he wasnt pressured she is miles away he has the sence of not to do it. That was a ridiculous verdict of guilty this is America we have freedom of speech and bcos she told him to kill himself cos thats what he wanted to do so now if a fool says he wants to kill himself and you say go ahead and do it its against the law. Wow this is the most dumbest criminal case ive ever heard this country just wants to lock everybody up. Someone says over and over again he wants to die im going to tell him whats taking you so long do it ready. Thats foul that you tell someone something they want to do to themselves you go to jail bcos of something they want to do. Thats foul
I don't believe she was guilty he did it because he wanted to so if someone says jump u jump no freaking way, he was already a mess. U can't make someone not do what they wanna do. Stop blaming someone else really, but she knew that he need it help.. bur what happened to his parents where were they when he was sick?
I RECOMMEND WATCHING THE HBO DOCUMENTARY ON ALL OF THIS. you might look at it differently. This case was weird both ways but you have to be honest with yourself which is sad... But she used words nothing physical
So didint Charles Manson. He never once killed anyone himself. But I bet you think that's different. I wonder if it's because deep down you refuse to hold a female accountable for anything
She had Malicious intent and she warped his reality so much so he killed himself as simple is that if you think her words couldn't influence him to do it you're straight deluded.
did you know theres a case labeled "DECEPTIVE PRACTICE" that my dear is a classic case of DECEPTIVE PRACTICE perpetrated over state lines on the air MAKING IT A FEDERAL OFFENSE
@@dgef deceptive practices Most fcc trade violations Most are state not federal bases in courts Its about civil versus legal What she did was clearly amoral and civil.
If the person has a mental breakdown... anything is possible.and the way she spoke to him wow no love at all He might have felt unwanted and alone...this is so sad.words can hurt you and damage....it has happened before.
She doesn’t believe the accused had malicious intent? Seriously? I am in shock at such a minimal sentence. Unbelievable!
I think given her age and her own mental disorders and drug use, we should not presume that she had complete control over her decisions, especially if we make the assumption that HE could not possibly have control over HIS decisions. A double standard is a reasonable question here. So yes, this woman did an evil thing. But I fear in this case the drive to punish her is based on personal anger rather than on a sound theory of manslaughter.
I don’t know about the theory of man slaughter but I think she played a huge role in the young man’s death and should have spent more time behind bars. Her type never gets better, only gets worse!
@@christar9527 I don’t think anyone is beyond redemption if they want to change and remorse is a good starting point. I haven’t seen any here. She is definitely culpable.
Yeah, those words bounced off the back of my brain too. I was like wth! She encouraged someone to take their own life. That sounds pretty malicious to me.
This particular psychologist L&C uses is honestly a bit off about every opinion, professional or otherwise that she makes. I wish they'd get a better psychologist in their episodes.
12:38 She didn’t _”almost push”_ him into it, she tried exceedingly hard to get those results…and succeeded in her mission 😒
Maybe so. But the way I see it, this trial violated the reasonable doubt principle. It assumes that it's crazy or far-fetched to suggest a suicidally depressed person might still be capable of free will, in which case Carter's words would have been no different than anyone else putting pressure on someone else to do a certain thing. So should we declare all suicidally depressed people as incompetent to make their own decisions? Should we assume they have no free ill at all? I don't know the answers to these questions. Just putting the question out there.
If her words caused him to kill someone else she'd be convicted as an accessory or accomplice, but because he killed himself she is walking free today. Makes my heart break for this family and friends.
A persons words can't cause you to do anything. She'd be an accessory because he had agreed with her and gone ahead to kill another which is a crime. Killing yourself is not a crime
Dude made me lose every bit of respect when he says "unfortunately this boy would've killed himself if she opened her mouth or not".
The F**K?!? HOW can he know that?
Free will
“Dude” was the defense attorney. He will say anything that will get his client off.
@@jamesp9226 yes, I'm aware. Still, though....
She chose life, why didn’t she encourage him to do the same? I will never understand her motivation.
Because she was pathetically desperate for the attention that would come from losing a boyfriend. To me she is a terrifying and dangerous person and should have never been let out.
@@laur131306 It is terrifying how manipulative she was and how she did all that just for attention for herself. She is very evil and disgusting. I don't get how someone can do that to somebody else. I wish she could have been charged with worse than involuntary manslaughter.
She spent months doing that, encouraging him to get help. He wouldn't. Can you imagine the emotional drain that put on a struggling teenage girl? But she couldn't just abandon him, cut things off, because then he'd have no one since he wouldn't seek help.
I can see why she'd go the do it or shut up about it route.
She should have called ems and got him help, got him the 72 hour hold. I agree that she shares responsibility for his suicide. But jesus, she wasn't in a position to bear his constant crisis.
@@chellesama8256 It's mad how far women will go to take up for another woman no matter how despicable her actions may be...
This girl was not a woman. She was a teen with mental health issues herself. She wasn’t a therapist or his parent. Geez, stfu.
I can’t imagine how the family feels knowing she is free. My thoughts and prayers are with them all.
I mean, it's pretty insane to think she shouldn't be free.
@@amityislandchum she should of been given at least 10 years
The family feels HORRIBLE that she is free, she better watch her back. There are people who don't like the fact that she is free. She was safer when she was incarcerated.
I mean she should be free cause even people who kill multiple people are free but she should have had a bigger sentence
Despite everything, Conrad Roy still had hope for him and his future. He would probably still be here today if it wasn't for Michelle Carter. She is a monster and destroyed the light in him.
The 14-24 age range is very difficult for some. I just wish we could reach these people and get them to see that down there road life gets easier- better and don’t give up. Don’t bind yourself to these life constructs like success, marriage, having children or being better than someone else. Just love your life. Just be who you are. That kid was about to be the cats Meow in college and a very good looking man and he was going to find a woman who loved him. Just wish he could have kicked this toxic girl aside and pushed through. Such a sad loss for his family. Hope she deals with it every day.
Our town still feels the pain of this incident.. absolutely horrible!!
I hope you don’t have a son/nephew/brother her age.
I was sold on her guilt when they said he was unsure if he wanted to go through with it and she pretty much bullied him.
Then charge all bullies!!!
that's what did her in, that's what made her guilty.
@@tinawindham6958 99.999999% of bullies never come close to what Michelle did. Read the conversation log (not just from the day of his death, but the whole months’ long log) AND THEN form an opinion. Read the SCOTUS ruling on why they denied her appeal. Or, if you don’t have time for any of that, just go away, because it’s moronic to feel so strongly about something you haven’t researched beyond watching some 20 minute cable documentaries via YT. You people are a plague. I can’t imagine having so little self awareness. I’d LOVE to believe watching Dateline made me an expert on stuff; it’s be so blissful to go through life reaping those rewards - feeling intelligent - without having to put in any effort whatsoever. I actually envy you guys. I’m not being sarcastic; I’m not insulting you; I genuinely, legitimately envy your ignorance and stupidity.
She didn't bully him, she warped his reality by pushing these thoughts on him and made it her mission to push him over the edge by influencing him with the texts. She is a horrible person who deserves the absolute worst from life.
20:09 How can there NOT be malicious intent? She knew he was committing suicide, did not alert the authorities or do anything to provide aid, instead she badgered him to get back into the car and continue his, ultimately successful, suicide. HOW is that not malicious intent?!
To me, with her having similar mental health issues, it seems like she was experiencing this by proxy but without the ultimate consequences.
Those videos he made, seemed like a young man with mental issues but with a hopeful outlook on his life, she destroyed that, dragging him down into a spiral that lead to his death, the sentence is woefully inadequate, she should've gotten AT LEAST 10 yrs.
Precisely! Murderous intent!
I was shocked them angered when they made that statement
Exactly, and she got released from jail only after 11 months for "good behaviour"?? makes me lose hope for humanity
I could'nt agree with you more
@@evm9803 Yes 👍, how could they m prove that? Her very words betray her EVIL intentions.
My Parents: if your friends tell you to jump off of a bridge are you going to do it?
Ha.....
Me: which bridge
That's true 😏..... plus what to expect from another mentally ill teenager herself she was in the mental hospitals texting him at certain points but I did notice in the texts her encouraging him to live change once he didn't say they were going to be a couple maybe the parents are hurt cause he was under their roof and they didn't notice his pain or that he didn't come to them instead of her
She is definitely guilty she knew exactly what she was doing
Imagine the case in reverse:
him pushing her to die,
he would remain in jail, till die.
@@rosaliademexico3273 Lmao no he wouldn't. Men do that all the time to their girlfriends/wives/children.
No malicious intent?? That’s exactly what it was
You don't believe she did this with malicious intent? What?
What kind of sick, twisted nonsense is that?
She should've gotten a much longer sentence. This wasn't just about words. This was about pressure and manipulation.
This is disturbing on way too many levels. That poor guy deserved so much better. I wish he'd gotten the help he so desperately needed. From mental health professionals. :(
Indeed! No malicious intent- really, Katherine? Usually I'm quite impressed by Katherine's level-headed analysis of cases but in this case it's a no ..... Michelle had the power to make him stop that night, especially as he was having second thoughts. But she pressured him to get back in his car. Yet when interviewed she was lying for her own survival. Poor boy...
Can Words Make You a Killer? Yes, charles Manson comes to mind.
Im sorry i wrote my comment before seeing yours! In mansons case words, not actions were his weapon in the murders. Even though she is young and pretty, it doesnt diminish the seriousness and apparent deliberate instructions that she gave
Yeah, she should have gotten a much longer sentence than she got. Nobody should ever date her again and she should never get married or have kids. She should be banned from ever having a cell phone again and sent off into the woods of Massachusetts to live the life of a hermit/ forest ogre forever.
Exactly, and you can't shout fire in a crowded theater, either! She killed him as certainly as if she had strangled him herself.
First thought that came to my mind. Isn't it true that he didn't technically k!ll anyone with his own hands
@@NikkiC777 maybe, but when are we going to hold the foot soldiers responsible. I don't think anyone should be punished for having the gift of gab. I know many with said gift, including myself. While I don't use it to destroy, those who do can only do so if the recipient is a willing subject.
The texts that she sent to a friend about her fears if the police found out what she said to him while he was struggling to decide if he wanted to live or die, make me feel that she knew she was doing something really terrible when she egged him on to ...just do it...
*I have serious fears of her becoming some sort of an "Angel of Death" if she's allowed to be around babies and/or the elderly... Maybe she'd do things over the Internet, like "Catfishing" someone else into suicide.*
PRECISELY!! 👏👏👏
Michelle Carter is dangerous. I am thinking she could be a sociopath or worse but I don’t know enough about her. I think she should have stayed in prison for much longer than she did. This case effects me because I had a “mother “ who did the same thing to me. She repeatedly told me to kill my self when I called her from a bridge ready to end it numerous times. It was usually over the phone. She, like MC, are demons in disguise.
@@christar9527 oh wow! I am so truly sorry for your trauma. Heartbreaking.
I I remember this! Kids are cruel it starts at a young age Even teenagers. She really didn't care for him
She was literally his free therapist for months before this. A teenage girl shouldn't be given the burden of caring for a suicidal boyfriend. Full stop.
@@amityislandchum Well, she didn`r care for him one way ot another.
@@amityislandchum particularly when shes as messed up mentally as him and medicated herself. She proved to be more unstable than he was actually.
She didint have to be. The logical thing anyone would have done is just block them. Lol the easy way out was to block them. Not spend weeks begging someone to kill themselfs and get mad when they don't. He confused in her because he thought she loved him. This is whyen say don't share emotions with women. Lol. Your response is exactly why. You only care about yourself
@@amityislandchum
Yeah, a real therapist wouldn't insist on their patient killing themself. She's just your garden variety attention seeking sociopathic narcissist.
She devil knew exactly what she was doin. She eas very manipulative and played on that young man's issues. She's guilty of Murder!!! Another story where justice doesn't exist.
I wish he'd known enough to not get pressured into this horrible act by someone his age. I don't understand being pressured so deeply to do something so drastic and permanent.
She should have never pressured him in this way, and I believe she's guilty. It's a messed up, terrible situation. I hate this, for his family and those who truly loved him.
She should have gotten a much longer sentence ..... I mean didn’t Manson get locked away and the key thrown away for instructing others to kill.....?
@Nikki Merrims, Yes he got the death penalty then they changed it to life and so should've Michelle Carter.
YES. I CANNOT AGREE MORE
Conrad Roy struggled with depression as an adolescent male. That is far from rare. To feel some love and support, even if someone in your life does not understand would never tell you to just do it - you talk about it but you don't do it - Hands up all teenagers who have felt suicidal. And then became an adult. And may even have some depression through our lives but we realise we alone can make that decision. To have a cheerleader on the side for your own suicide - well - if anything it would possibly make me more inclined only because your friend is a magnified version of society at large.
Esp where he got very little at home. His entire life. And generational. NO ONE talked about how this poor kid grew up and its not really surprising to those of us who know. Sadly. And people are too afraid to speak out because of it. So fkn sad
I think this lady was very aware of what she was doing. She had all the time in the world to get help for this young man if she wanted to.
It's not her responsibility
She deliberately coerced him to death with evil and malicious intent. She needed to be taught a lesson but I don’t think she will ever learn how to have concern and empathy for others. She just got a slap on the hand with a little jail time. I wish she would wear a mark of some kind so people will know what she’s capable of and avoid her in the future.
@@andlinnpalenkova2637 She was responsible for the death of Conrad Roy.
The point for me at which she is liable is when he got out of the truck and she told him to get back in and kill himself. He wouldn't have killed himself but for the fact that she pressured him to go back in my opinion. It seems like Conrad was thinking about suicide a lot, however he didn't seem to have a plan at all until she came along and helped him figure out the method, day and time and then continued to ask him when he was going to do it and get mad when he backed out. She manipulated him at the end of the day and all in all this case is just so incredibly sad.
I'm with you...I did a deep dive into this case because depending on what angle it's being presented can easily make a normal person sway more to a side of guilt or innocence. I did my own research and went over the evidence on top of watching the documentary and I'm 100% with you. She was desperate to get attention and what better way to get attention than if your bf dies? So she yelled at him to get back in that truck...and in that moment he wanted to back out and looked to her to tell him he mattered...and she told him to get back in and take his life. It gives me chills 😭😭 even her behavior regarding the charity baseball game in his honor was so inappropriate. To me she is a very....very dangerous and conniving young woman.
She was 17. She MUST have know it was wrong what she was doing.
This is so sad. Goes to show "Words can hurt". 💔🙏💜
If you know your friend or boyfriend is thinking of committing suicide tell someone you don't help their horrible thoughts.
What a witch. Hope there is some justice in this life.
Heck they give drug dealers more time then that
Perhaps ur right. But drugs physically affect people ..
And mentally
Such a handsome young man. So intelligent....he didn't understand that in life, happy is not always the way. Content..sometimes one foot in front of the other. I can't understand it. I just wish he had waited to get out of the teen blues. She did this....he wouldn't have done it alone.
Didn’t Manson go down because of his words? The orders he gave to all the murderers in his weird club
yep, but shes a woman so.
Very interesting analysis of this tragic event. Thanks again
So how come they didn't pursue the other boy that was also helping him find none painful ways to commit suicide
We all know why.
I wish Conrad would have had a POSITIVE gf or friend that actually encouraged him to hang in there and get help. She absolutely ruined him. She's DISGUSTING. No wonder why she doesn't have ANY friends that AREN'T creeped out by her. Shame on her.
The psychologist says 'I don't believe there was malicious intent'...what?? He got out of the van & she made him go back in!! If that's not malicious then I don't know what is.
This case was one that really got me. I wish I could have said so many things to Conrad - you're an OBVIOUSLY intelligent, articulate young man.
It gets better guys. It gets better.
This is Chrissy Teigen
Can words make you a killer? Charles Manson would say no but look what happened to him and what he apparently instructed his followers to do
Yes but even if your suicidal..they never usually do it ..she was like have soul posenion.over his mind..murder.. Absolutely
Yes- an appropriate sentencing of guilt but not enough time. She is pretty evil.
She should have been held accountable. What a manipulative b!!!!.
Nice episode
Who came here again after viewing The Girl From Plainville?
bench trial every time! No emotional jurors, just a professional applying the law to the circumstances.
Lady in red. I don't think she meant for him to die. Wtf is she watching?
she was the devil on his shoulder he should listen to the angel when he go out of the car and he should have told his family.
The look on her face when the judge gave her the sentence! Cold Hearted Wench... Who pushes someone to go on and kill themselves? Let's hope when and if she has kids, that they get a friend EXACTLY like her.
really? the best "punishment" you can think of for her is to target her kids who have nothing to do with this? this has got to be one of the dumbest comments i have ever read
I don't care what you think about my comment. This demon should feel exactly what his parents felt when she decided to help him die! The audacity of her. I hope she doesn't have any kids at all...I'm sure you think she is 'sorry' SMMFH!
@@divasmelody LMAOO i really need to have more understanding dealing with little kids in a comment section tbh. i love how u immediately get defensive & think i'm against u. so according to your logic if a criminal has kids, their kids somehow deserve the blame? you're hilarious xx i hope u never have kids either
@@h00liaa You came under my comment. You are free to post under the video like I did. So yes I'm gonna respond to you under MY post. I'm not defensive, it's MY opinion. I have kids, adult kids and none of them are dead because their friends helped them die. No I don't think her kids should suffer, I said I hope her kids get friends like her because obviously you and the court think she did nothing wrong. Why are you so pressed? Are you this demon pretending to be Julia? Hmm 🧐
She absolutely deserved much more time than she got, and she's clearly a POS, but bringing kids into anything is ehhhhh.... I mean, kids are innocent. No child deserves this treatment, and if this case should have taught anyone anything it's that children are already suffering. Why wish more suffering on them just to hurt the parent? It's like divorced or separated parents who use their children against each other. Children aren't weapons. They aren't pawns. They don't deserve to suffer any horrible fate, even if it's to teach their parents "how it feels"...
Very sad for the boy but the girl I'm just disgusted with her she knew what she was doing
Exactly when he got out the car after changing his mind she demanded he get back in knowing it would kill him.
That sentence is a joke!!!
Did you see the documentary on hbo
Very tragic and interesting case.
How does anybody know whether or not Conrad sought Michelle's help to force him through the process of suicide???? But then again this is similar to those who get charged for assisting suicide in jurisdictions where suicide is illegal. All in all a very sad case. Conrad obviously did not get the help he needed nor did Michelle. She was battling her own demons and may have actually thought that she was doing Conrad a favour by helping him escape the prison he felt trapped in.
I'm just mindblown such a handsome smart loved young man would ever see himself as unworthy of life. Depression does not discriminate 😔
She’s pure evil. Very manipulative! Ugh she’s dangerous to be free
Idk why she is out now. She deserve to be in the jail. Cameron herron doesnt meant to kill woman and kid and he took 24 years. She deserve to be in the jail Forever.
I'm not being funny or sarcastic....but why do you believe she should've had a long sentence? Did you see the texts back in forth? Is it actually her fault he killed himself in your opinion?
This young teenager was parroting his dad's words to him and his mother might have been backing it up but what he said about himself he heard that from his parents dad needs to do some time also.
.My Deepest Condolences to the Family of Conrad. To his Sister, I'm so sorry sweetheart.
💔 we never really know what someone else going through, no one. So it's always important to be kind. And just because we don't understand doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Rest in Heaven Conrad. 💜
This just shows how lost our young people are. There is a solution. Not an easy one. But we need to introduce them to a heavenly Father who can love and mentor them.
Pffffft.
From a psychiatrist standpoint, it is actually not very uncommon for antidepressants to induce mania. Many people who actually have bipolar disorder end up being misdiagnosed with depression and put on antidepressants. When that happens, it can very easily induce mania. They acted like it's extremely rare for antidepressants to induce mania, but it's really not.
YES I BELIEVE SHE PUSHED HIM OVER THE EDGE. She didn’t try even ONCE to stop him!
That’s right arrest the so called gf who only spoke words instead of the parents who constantly forced him to see domestic violence and had the responsibility of their child’s well being, since u feel someone should be arrested!
Charles Manson only spoke words. He never actual killed anyone himself. But I bet you think that's different huh. Hmmmm. I wonder if it's because deep down you don't think females should be held accountable for anything
Sad.
People r evil these days
She did.. she encouraged him to do it BUT She didn’t put a gun to his head and MADE him do it . I get it ..
I was ticked off when I found out she was released. She is evil and I feel so bad for his family
she is sick and i can honestly see her doing this to someone else. i really hate that they are making all these movies/shows, documentaries. her narcissistic behavior probably loves the attention.
Many wives should be in prison when mad at husband then. Especially when they say “go kill yourself”
I never know how to feel about this. I know sentencing her to life wouldn't be fair in my eyes... but not punishing her basically sets a terrible president. I just can't make heads or tails of her actions. I cannot understand it.
She is guilty. Life in prison. Tragic, but trash. Good riddance
Encouraging someone to take their own life isn't malicious intent yaaaa...ok! This hosts credibility is out the window.
SKYND just did a song about this
Where are the regular guys from L&C?
She should've been given 25-life, *plus an additional 10 years for those eyebrows.* I feel for Conrad's family, how heartbreaking to not only lose your loved one in such a terrible way but then have to come to terms with the fact that someone who YOU had developed a relationship with, allowed to come to the funeral, believed their grief and accepted their support during such a tragic time, had actually ENCOURAGED him to take his own life and did nothing to stop or prevent it from happening. Then sitting through a long drawn out trial and listening to all of the details only to be forced to accept the fact that this POS got nothing more than a slap on the wrist! ABSOLUTELY APPALLING.
Her and those top notch lawyers. Ugh
@@codybarry8204 I have no idea how those lawyers were able to defend a killer. I really don't know what to think of humanity
Well said! She loved playing all her games with peoples heads. She was looking for attention and was depraved enough to go to his funeral and pretend she was grieving. This evil POS/sociopath got away with murder and manipulated many people.
I was searching for an eyebrow comment 😂😂 yikes 😬
I really wish people would have dug deeper. A LOT of people around here do bc they wont just come out and say it. They're too afraid =/
Come on...WHYYY was he so depressed? WHY did he get involved with someone like her and let her talk him back into the suicide after he backed out?? It blows my mind how many people did NOT ask the right questions as to why he ended up like that. SO many people wished they did.
@@Em22-wtf Agreed. Clearly his family has responsibility here, as it’s mentioned domestic violence was happening, the video of him saying those things about himself were either told to him, or, as open as he was, it had to have been mentioned to his parents. His parents have as much fault in my mind, minus the huge part where she apparently told him to get back in the car… That part for me, allows her to be slightly more accountable than them, but the parents are key here.
I think the Judge made a historically wise decision on the verdict and sentence in this unique case.
Tragic and hopefully enlightening for those necessary. Please be kind to everyone. You never know what someone else going through.
She knew exactly what he was going through.. Kindness would be not encouraging someone in pain to kill themselves
The thing is Michelle did tried to save him from the start however her mental health went downhill and probably she just got fed up with him in the end constantly saying he wants to kill himself
The thing that people dont realize when they are depressed and suicidal is that life will ALWAYS get better!!! If you take your life, you take that depression into your afterlife! And you you will be stuck with that pain & depression for eternity! Dont give up! Life gets better & you deserve happiness & happiness will come!
Actually no, life doesn't _always_ get better for some people. Some problems are permanent.
Spouting patitudes are not going to make it better. People with serious problems need serious resolution. Taking your depression. Into the afterlife?
This life is it, there is nothing after this. This why his case is a tragedy.
What about cigarette commercials or alcohol commercials. She was a bad person but not a criminal. Is no one responsible for themselves anymore.
This definitely got me thinking.
I suppose she wants to be a counselor now.
I hope nobody NEVER FORGET her face for what she did to this kid.
This is so painful to watch especially since help is available free of charge on the internet covering subjects that teenagers are dealing with like low self esteem. Of course the information is Bible based, so folks will pass it up so they dont get teased and kill themselves instead. This was a life that shouldn't have ended this way.
Maybe the Mother should be lock up
No justice has been done here. The sentence was much too short. This woman is not normal, she`ll be heard from again in a negative way. Poor Conrad, he had so much to live for.
Wow, this one side justice system... smh!
I have taken in 3 teenage girls not my own. They can be dangerous, while playing MS. Innocent. Relentless in committing damages to others.
Be careful they kill u
Send em to my house when they turn 18. Trick is you gotta keep em busy. Lol. Jk. Be CAREFUL
I feel like if she was charged they would need to go back in time and I guess going forward and charge all the Bullies online, in schools, work and neighborhoods. Sometimes humans are mentally weak and are overwhelmed and overcome by theses evil bullies that need to be dealt with from the root. Wake up America we need to stop the bullying. We are loosing senseless lives and who knows some of these people with the proper role models could have potentially have had world or life changing capabilities.
A real question is when she changes her name, how long does it take for her to get married?
Pure evil...
Words definitely can make you a murderer. I feel so bad for him. She needs to spend the rest of her life thinking about him
She's evil.
Does Michelle Carter have any social networks? Does she have any Instagram, Facebook or Twitter profile?
Thats ridiculous so what she said do it. He kept saying he was going to do it bcos he had tried to do it before so bcos she told him to do it so he could be happy he was miserable so bcos she kept saying do it maybe he wouldnt. But to tell someone to do it through texting is not her fault he wanted to die with or without her he was going to do it. She psychologically made him do it is ridiculous he wasnt pressured she is miles away he has the sence of not to do it. That was a ridiculous verdict of guilty this is America we have freedom of speech and bcos she told him to kill himself cos thats what he wanted to do so now if a fool says he wants to kill himself and you say go ahead and do it its against the law. Wow this is the most dumbest criminal case ive ever heard this country just wants to lock everybody up. Someone says over and over again he wants to die im going to tell him whats taking you so long do it ready. Thats foul that you tell someone something they want to do to themselves you go to jail bcos of something they want to do. Thats foul
I don't believe she was guilty he did it because he wanted to so if someone says jump u jump no freaking way, he was already a mess. U can't make someone not do what they wanna do. Stop blaming someone else really, but she knew that he need it help.. bur what happened to his parents where were they when he was sick?
I RECOMMEND WATCHING THE HBO DOCUMENTARY ON ALL OF THIS. you might look at it differently. This case was weird both ways but you have to be honest with yourself which is sad... But she used words nothing physical
So didint Charles Manson. He never once killed anyone himself. But I bet you think that's different. I wonder if it's because deep down you refuse to hold a female accountable for anything
@@noobmasters6913 Great point
The idea that he could allow himself to be controlled to that degree by... that little girl.
So she is now out here mixing and mangling, dating and living a life..😒🙄.
She had Malicious intent and she warped his reality so much so he killed himself as simple is that if you think her words couldn't influence him to do it you're straight deluded.
There are videos of women sticking up for her. And it's disgusting
peer pressure is real.
Free Speech, does not equal freedom from consequences because of that speech.
What precise statute did she violate? legistrating morality not working 😕
did you know theres a case labeled
"DECEPTIVE PRACTICE"
that my dear is a classic case of DECEPTIVE PRACTICE perpetrated over state lines on the air
MAKING IT A FEDERAL OFFENSE
@@dgef deceptive practices
Most fcc trade violations
Most are state not federal bases in courts
Its about civil versus legal
What she did was clearly amoral and civil.
Flynn. You’re exactly right. These other people are idiots
EVIL!!!!
If the person has a mental breakdown... anything is possible.and the way she spoke to him wow no love at all
He might have felt unwanted and alone...this is so sad.words can hurt you and damage....it has happened before.