Raspberry Pi RGB Hardware Solutions
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- This video compares the different RGB hardware "hats" currently available for the Raspberry Pi. If you liked this video, please consider supporting in any way: www.retrorgb.com/support.html
Link to the original video: • How to configure a Ras...
00:00 Intro
01:47 Basic VGA adapter
01:49 PI2SCART - arcadeforge.net/Pi2Jamma-Pi2SC...
02:34 RetroTINK - www.retrorgb.com/retrotink2x.html
05:29 ROMs on MicroSD vs USB Stick, Gparted: gparted.org
07:54 RGB-Pi - www.rgb-pi.com
09:40 RPi2SCART - www.neo-arcadia.com/forum/view...
11:48 Wrapup
13:08 Coming next: RPi software solutions 
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great video! thanks for making this.
now, I will wait until your lag test.. less or no lag is my motivation of this method. Thank you again
Thank you for making this video Bob. well worth the wait!
On the Software side of things i wanted to see if theres actual a diference between the retrotink Ultimate and the Pi2scart/ VGA solution As far as timings and resolutions are concerned.
Now knowing that the other devices uses proprietary software, I sugested that you seperate thoses in the video the same thing you did on this one. Simply because there will be a more limited user based and will be easier to understand what is possible to do with a comum image VS proprietary Image.
keep up the awesome work Bob!
Great video - love those lazy susan shots!
I don't own any SCART CRTs but the RPI2SCART is such a beautiful piece of art - I kinda want one :)
Great video!
I recently purchased the RetroTink from Mike Chi, and its really good. Ive been testing it on a Commodore 64 monitor. Im using the Chroma/luma (S-video) and man it looks really good. I have not tested it on my SD sony with component, but Im sure it will also look great.
It almost makes me want to put up my Original 16 bit and under consoles that are all hooked up with RGb in some way, and put them in the closet lol.
Question you can hopefully answer here or in your software vid. I was thinking of building a Pi for emulation, but I would really like to play some of the newer retro style games like Sonic Mania and Shovel Knight (if possible?) in 240p on my BVM. Is there a way to play steam games on a Pi, or is there any other solution to play games like this? If not I'll prob just use a PC, but would like to use a Pi if possible.
How do you install the Retrotink Ultimate? Does it just slot onto the GPIO pins? Any soldering required? Can't seem to find directions anywhere so I assume it's pretty easy.
I'm most interested in Portaudio being supported in MAME on the Pi. Have they updated to a later build of MAME that supports portaudio?
another good one bob. Love you guys. I want a series of videos titled "It's That Simple by Voultar" :-) I need that component for rpi that would have killed on my old crt. Speaking of, has anyone rgb modded one of the hd crts yet? Im interested to see. love and respect.
Hello! Is there something like RetroTINK 2X Pro but backwards? With HDMI input and YPbPr component video RGB output? I have a Raspberry Pi 4 (4gb) and would like to connect it to a CRT TV through its RGB component video input. I would like to be able to play the games in their native resolutions and automatically. What would you recommend me? Thanks a lot!
So i have a pi3 and a sony bvm20f1u... what should i be using? I'm not a member of any forums, so i'm kind of in the dark on a lot of this stuff. I'm also running a gscart lite switch.
Wont the extra attachment for more connection options catch alot of dust not having a case?
Are there any HDMI to RGB SCART adapters out there or are they all composite SCART? Would be nice if I could use a FLIRC case but that means GPIO pins are covered.
is SCART to HDMI adapter/scaler a bad solution for RGB modded CRT tv?
hello a question I already connected the raspberry to pvm with rgb to bnc 4 and 5 and in both it gives me the inverted colors and I tried in several pvm what will it be? Thank you
Do you think the RGB-Pi software could be made to work with GERT VGA 666?
Would love to know if the cheap VGA 666 is more laggy than other solutions. Super video as always Bob. Still majorly love your theme music ;-)
It's my guess (99.9% sure) that none of the hardware solutions will have more or less lag than another. Software is a different story though...
How to i get the 3.5 jack to work on my crt I have the cable doesn't seem to work tho
I realize this is an old video and receiving a response is a bit of a long shot but here goes. I want to add composite video output to my raspberry pi400. The pi400 board did away with any component video pins that were present for the 3.5mm a/v jack on the pi4+. Retrotink discontinued making the hat in this video here which adds component/composite/s-video through GPIO. Seems like some sort of GPIO hat is my only solution. I'm having a lot of trouble finding anyone who makes a hat similar to this. Curious if you have any leads, or know of any other solutions that would allow me to get component/composite video from my pi400, short of using an external HDMI>RCA converter. Which just feels icky to me. Any help or advice greatly appreciated. I've watched some of your videos dozens of times learning as much as I can. Some of my earlier videos are show off a CRT arcade cabinet I built.
8:56 I can't stop laughing my ass off... sorry Bob!
Cool. Crt have lower input lag right? Making this salution better. My current tv sucks. Can't wait till I pick up a lower input lag tv.
Will the RGB-Pi work best with Raspberry Pi 4 or 3?
Do you know why rgb-pi doesn’t make any picture if you conect throw the framemeister, just sound, any ideas???
So emulator lag doesn't hurt gameplay too much on a CRT?
Are these products still available, or have they been superseded by newer versions?
New to the scene and still learning about the options. Basically, thinking of getting a RP4 connexted to one of these video converters with svideo and Component Out, to an older 4:3 crt tv.
There's some newer ones: ruclips.net/video/QZfbtSRehvc/видео.html
The end of that stream is pretty boring, as we just try to figure out button mapping. As long as you're using a controller with lots of buttons, it's much less of a headache.
Does it work on pi 4?
Anyone know why none of the options in this video seem to offer TOSLINK output for audio? Rpi's analog connector IMO is too noisy. I've even asked a maker of a TOSLINK add-on will his board and the PI2SCART be compatible and he doesn't think so because of the way the GPIO is handled or something like that.
I just use a USB sound card as the audio from the RPi 3 is horrid.
Using the Pi2SCART on my Pi3, but the RPi2SCART projects looks very interesting. Where can I get one of these or at least get some more information about the whole project? Is there a dedicated website or just those French forum posts?
Only the French forum at the moment. I do have the RPI2JAMMA (same as the RPI2SCART but designed for an arcade cabinet) and I confirm it's an amazing piece of hardware combined with a custom distrib. The custom distrib is what makes it special imo since it allows for the use of custom modelines. Therefore the games you play will be displayed in their original resolution without distortion and the framerate will be closer to the original one as it's not tied to 320x240@60fps (no tearing as well). I do have both original PCBs and this and it's really hard to distinguish the original version from the emulated one unlike other common emulation solutions from China (like the Pandora's Box).
The only downside is that you can order it only through the forum (and the waiting-list is quite huge) and unless you know someone in France you can't get one yet as they are only shipped to France (for the moment).
It’s works on my pvm, but if I want to try throw the framemeister how can i do?
How do I get RGB-PI to work on retropie.
will the rgb-pi work with the pi zero?
Great video! What would you recommend to connect a Pi to an actual arcade monitor? I've a WG K7000 series monitor. Does such an adaptor work? From the look of it the VGA666 should, but the video mentions needing a sync combiner and they are waay expensive. Does a solution exist which just plugs into the pi and then straight to the monitor via a vga breakout cable?
If you already have a JAMMA harness, I'd just get a PI2JAMMA. As long as you use the right config files, it'll just plug right in and work.
@@RetroRGB Thanks for the reply! No jamma harness I'm afraid. The monitor is just a straight WG with a 6 pin output header. I was going to use a mini-pac I have for wiring up the controls. Would you recommend getting a jamma harness instead?
Great video! Just wondering is the Pi2Jamma the only and preferred way to hook up a Pi direct to a arcade cabinet? Not sure if that should’ve been in the video or not... Is it still something to consider?
JAMMA is something that is COMPLETELY different and requires a lot more testing. Absolutely no place for it in this SCART video. That being said, it's a great solution and something I'd really like to explore in the future. Maybe a FullPC+JPAC vs Pi2JAMMA video?
RetroRGB Gotcha! I didn’t make the “RGB Hardware Solutions” = SCART connection; makes sense. Weirdly enough, I’ve had parts for a full PC solution for years that I haven’t even opened (JPAC, ArcadeVGA) due to intimidation over the setup. I wanted to explore the Pi solutions first to see if that would suit my needs. Anyway, thanks for the reply and keep up the amazing work you do! =)
Can I use a VGA to RGBHV bnc cable on the VGA666?
Yup
Did I hear right? Does the retrotink ultimate edition output component and RGBs through VGA at the same time?
Yes
Thanks, that's perfect for me. I have to get one.
where can I buy the Ultimate?
Bob. What have you noticed regarding video quality? I have the gert 666 running to my 900 line bvm and the image looks soft compared to original hardware. Some emulators look better than others but none are very sharp
the nogolem i have tweaked the hell out of it in the retroarch settings. And in the config file. Everyone i talk to and every forum i go on they have different advice for how to get the image sharp and none of it makes a major difference. Some things help a little. The only major difference i have noticed is from using different emulators. Most the advice i get is from people who are not using a crt so i am not surprised they get different results. Have you been able to get an image just as sharp as as original hardware, ie megadrive, from your rpi to a professional monitor?
Thiz iz one ztrange comment.
the nogolem what? Man... I don't know what any of that means. I got my bvm geometry dialed in perfect so i am not messing with its cpu board.... Is any of that related to the config file settings or retroarch settings that's all i have ever messed with and thats what most people mess with that i talk to
the nogolem thanks for the info. It sounds like more work than i am willing to put into my rpi. I don't use it that much. I have to admit that pic you sent me isn't very helpful. I can't really see how sharp the image is. And i dont think that is a professional monitor. I could be wrong. Have you ever hooked up a rpi to a Sony professional monitor or a broadcast monitor?
the nogolem yeah. I only use it for neo-geo and arcade games and the image isn't that bad. I'm sure the image is better than anything i saw as a kid. I think i am just going to put up with it. I have exhausted my interest in tinkering with the Rpi. And what your talking about sounds time consuming
I just bought a Asus tinker to jamma,but sadly I dont find any micro sd card already ok in 15khz...so I use it with android...if you have one...♡
I also bought a pi2jamma,now I try to have the best img to use.
Next...a hyperspin system in 15khz and probably 31khz (it's for a blast city).
Note that the cheap RGB output solutions with only resistors on there don't offer proper 75 ohm outputs using a proper video DAC. This could result in ghosting.
Do you believe I would ultimately get a better picture by using an RGB-PI to my Framemeister mini, than direct HDMI to my receiver ??? I'm not into adding scan lines(sorry) , so that's not a factor.
Thanks for your fantastic videos !
The framemeister ads lag, so I'd just use Lakka and the Pi's HDMI output.
Thanks!
Does that neogeo connector on the RPi2Scart support cps2 extended buttons? I have a few db15 expanded neo geo connectors I use on my supergun so I can use my usb and sony ps2 sticks on it. I know the pi has usb it doesn't like my ps3/pc usb connection on my sticks. I have the Pi2Scart. It works but has issues with those presetup images. I love the PiPiggies image from arcade punks. Has a great menu system, plug and play, all the games you would want, and preconfigured for the ibuffalo controllers. However if you try to play those games even with a modified config file for the 240p resolution the games are all over the map in how they fit the screen. Each emulator needs timings. I keep hoping someone will come out with a patched image including games that works on these solutions. Smokemonster, can you hook us up?!
That's a great question. I'm honestly not sure. LOL, do you speak French? Maybe their forum can help :)
Yes it does, on the RPI2Jamma you have a CPS1 type connector (with the exact same pinout), I'll check about the RPI2SCART and let you know as I think they are wired on the remaining pins of the sub-d15 but since there's no "standard" solution for a 6 buttons sub-d15 I don't know on which pins buttons 5 & 6 are wired.
I found out it's on the very first post of this topic : www.neo-arcadia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=56947
Here you are:
+-----------------> 8 : +5V
| +---------------> 7 : DOWN
| | +-------------> 6 : RIGHT
| | | +-----------> 5 : BUTTON 2
| | | | +---------> 4 : BUTTON 4
| | | | | +-------> 3 : SELECT/COIN
| | | | | | +-----> 2 : BUTTON 5
| | | | | | | +---> 1 : GND
| | | | | | | |
___________________
8 \ o o o o o o o o / 1
\ o o o o o o o /
15 `~~~~~~~~~~~~~' 9
| | | | | | |
| | | | | | +----> 9 :
| | | | | +------> 10 : BUTTON 6
| | | | +--------> 11 : START
| | | +----------> 12 : BUTTON 3
| | +------------> 13 : BUTTON 1
| +--------------> 14 : LEFT
+----------------> 15 : UP
Hey Bob, I'm a French fan of your channel (early subscriber) so if you have any question regarding the RPI2 JAMMA/SCART/NUC feel free to ask. As I said I own the Jamma one which never left my cab since I got it so I know the product as well. Cheers
In regards to the lag testing, I would just hire Adam Koralik to play the fucking game. That should be sufficient.
"I'm not noticing any lag, what do you want me to say?". He'd figure that out after 5 minutes of casual gaming.
How about testing RGBPi? It's the simplest thing out there, a simple cable you plug on the GPIO on a Rpi3.
Um...did you actually watch the video?
i had trouble with the timings using this method with lakka and retropie. it left weird graphic errors like missing info on some lines. there has been some progress in this direction, as mentioned on reddit. you may want to update you raspberry pi page with this alternative info: www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/764c38/retropie_vga666_retrotink_config_240p_glory/.
rebooting to mount a USB stick can probably be fixed with editing a config file that mounts the USB stick instead of the SD card folder on boot
I didn't realize that. I wish there was more info on the RGB-Pi and RPi2SCART pages.
Linux based stuff is kinda tricky, because it doesnt always auto-mount whatever drive you have plugged in like Windows does.
absolutely. I got an original Raspberry Pi model B, and I remember that thing taking forever to boot. The pi 3 I have now boots crazy fast.
Subsequent problem: finding a case that supports all these modifications. I have kids at home, I can’t have naked motherboards around.
isn't a PC just a much better option here? Why do we have to try so hard to make this pi thing work properly?? sheesh!
It can be the faster option, but not necessarily better. The fact that thousands of people are working on the exact same piece of hardware make it much easier to get community-maintained images. It's also more than powerful enough for many arcade games to be emulated properly: www.retrorgb.com/raspberry-pi-mame-benchmarks.html
So, how about an apology for your comment?
@@RetroRGB if you feel an apology is required, I wll offer one for sure, but understand, it was just a question..and not trying to be a jerk. I am trying to get a rgb monitor built up from a tv and get some old games working. I am a simple guy and will take the simplest path to get somewhere, but it's darned hard to figure out what that is. I want 240p ms pacman and galaga from a crt...that's my first goal. How do you suggest I achieve it with all these options? Mame4crt? Groovy arcade? Retropie?PC? Surely you can empathize with someone walking into this world of endless options, paths, avenues to get somehwere and just feeling overwhelmed. I appreciate your devotion to the craft, for sure!