Inside Orania, 30 years into democracy
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- Опубликовано: 1 май 2024
- Despite the existence of the controversy-laden Northern Cape town flying in the face of the founding values of the new South Africa, Orania's leaders say their self-sustaining population continues to grow. Eyewitness News visited the area to find out more.
I wish the rest of South Africa can learn from Orania
Because they are doing it without the government
Doing what? South Africa has become a multicultural city but once again racism. Once again the same group.
So there's no government services in Orania?
@@joycenthoba8541 Yes NONE nothing
They are their own government.
@@joycenthoba8541 No government services whatsoever. They build and maintain their own roads, water, power, sanitation, refuse collection. They’ve even created their own bank, power generation company, civic institutions, schools, technical college, medical centre. All with their own money and labour. They’re the only municipality which receives no government funding and yet the residents still pay tax to the national government.
South African is easy to define. It's a person from South Africa. I am a proud South African.
I dont believe that cultures religions and races must mix
Treasure your culture !
Well done Orania ! You have achieved tremendous success without a cent of this clown government!
Shouldn't orania leave?
If that's what they believe or you believe then what do they want in Africa?????
@@Karl3Lang Dude learn your history, the afrikaners were literally there long before the current majority african population. The native people of South Africa are called the Koi San people, the current majority population came later, a mix of the pre existing Bantu expansion and later importation from further north in Africa by the British empire.
@@mp5284the Bantu have been in modern day South Africa for atleast a thousand, it could be more if older artifacts are found, infact most of the so called Bantu in South Africa are genetically and linguistically mixed with the "Khoisan" hence they are indeed native to South Africa because they do have "Khoisan" ancestry.
You are doing just great on your own,they must leave you alone,keep up doing good for yourself ❤
The truth did pop up even under the force of ANC, EFF & BEE-kak. Viva Orania for setting the pace in South Africa. The truth is powerful 💪
Very very good
As black South African i understand you and i support you viva Orania 🇿🇦
Really
You understand nothing sit down
@@igame6823people with your mindset are a part of the problem.
If a black South African is giving you support, why be nasty?
😂😂😂 krrr haa aha 🤣 ooopsie I didn't mean to 🤣🤣🤣
@@igame6823They are willing to give you their “ blueprints” and help your people create something similar.
But you won’t/ can’t.
Never have! ( Can only leech and destroy.)
Keep it that way. Ek is trots op julle oraniers, hou dit so
amen
Where everything works 😂😂😂😂😂
Keep it this way it works!!
The people of Orania have every right to live peacefully.God Bless you Orania.👍👍
What are all the kings with land in south africa doing for their followers ? Nothing ! Nkonyana trust for Zulus ? And all the others !
Republiek van Oranje.
Communities naturally cluster in groups. Integration can cause the destruction of heritage.
I don't see anything wrong with Oranje in principle.
People are free to do what they want as long as no harm is done.
How about we do it for all town's and run our own towns with all people
Some towns would succeed, most would turn tribal
ʼn Pragtige plek,sonder misdaad . Almal werk hard om die plek netjies en skoon te hou! Het heerlik daar gaan vakansie hou,langs die Oranjerivier!🌹🌹🌹🌹❤❤❤
Stellen dieven, maar binnenkort is het klaar met jullie in heel afrika.
Mxm 😏
The place is beautiful ❤
Not "white only", "Afrikaner Only"
Right, I'm white but not Afrikaner so they would not take me.
@@Spillers72 Exactly
Best place in the world
Why is the media so obsessed with this place???
There are less people staying there than your average newly-built Balwin lifestyle centre among many in any SA city and it has less infrastructure than one.
This is ridiculous empty hype.
True, But media is not obsessed, Only content creators.
Happens everytime elections draw close.
Happy that other communities can learn from Orania... pse create more content....
It's looks very interesting and peaceful place weldone Orania
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💪💪💪💪💪💪Orania ❤❤❤❤❤
Ons Afrikaners kan dinge reg doen .
South Africa was a Republic way before 30 years ago.
Good Town. I wanna live there
One day it will be history
No, one day they'll look back on centuries of prosperity!
Orania is only prospering while South Africa is burning.they bought that land that nobody wanted and made something of it. You wouldn't want to stay there too much hard work
You will be history
One day it will make history.and they wiil all realize what a great place it is .
Price of fuel is dictated by South Africa, the Oranian currency is dependent on ZAR strength, imports come through SA ports, when SA had lockdown it also applied to Orania, no recognised Police Force, no recognised Judiciary…so it is independent only in name!! When you actually are self sufficient, come and talk. For now you are a prodigal son that keeps coming home to eat.
That is why they clearly say "they are building towards freedom" its an idea still in progress
The creator of Orania was aware of what would happen in 2020. To preserve his culture, he created Orania.
Considering that this is EWN, this article has been surprisingly unbiased. There are one or two non-verbal queues in the video that subtly suggests that they do not like what Orania is doing, but I expected a lot worse.
Read the article about this on EWN website. fully loaded with the usual bias.
Eventually the government of SA will say, "OK, that's enough, it's over" -- and over Orania will be, in one or two days.
Good job keep the good work
If I may ask Bruce, Are the Kings in South Africa really in control of their affairs or they are just like during the apartheid where they were being controlled by the apartheid government as to how they should run their Spaces. Did they have money to run or the apartheid government gave them the minimum to run their affairs? Those kings had nothing everything belonged to the apartheid government, Truth be told. UNLIKE ORANGE, THESE Afrikaners Folks run their affairs without anybody telling them what to do. They work hard, Yes, which is commendable. Who gave them money for start up? We have to Tell truths here. They had money some accumulated a lot of money during the apartheid rule. What do these kings have? Handouts. The truth is South Africa is a very complicated Country for sure. We pray too that One Day God will remove THESE SHACKLES Around our FEET as South Africans especially black majority,So that we become like ORANGE. You are very much BLESSED Orange Folks. More good LIFE For You All There.✌️🇿🇦
And how "democracy" work for SA? Everything is falling apart.
400 years?......
Since 1652
372 years
*Ya Nhe!*
The surname le cornu is VERY FRENCH
True... the Afrikaner came from Europe.
my mense
My boss has a house in Orania
The Mormons are accepted in the USA ! Why cant Orania be accepted in SA ??
The USA is hardly the beacon of standards you are purporting it to be -that we are to measure South Africa up against.
@@HerculesMhlongoWhich standards pray tell would apply to sub Saharan Africa countries?
That's an establishment based on religion.. not race. Mormons are white in a white country.
@@nevillem.l.oliphant7328 I did not advance nor present a county or region that we can, and should, measure ourselves up against. All you are doing is trying to corner me into swapping out the USA with Sub-Saharan Africa. No. I was pointing out the remission in the analogy of the comment -that because the Mormons are accepted in American society then Orania should be deemed acceptable in the South African dispensation.
If we feel that Orania is unacceptable in the South African context then that’s that. Just because America is doing it doesn’t mean we have to.
Which country is this?
Orania, go Google
South Africa
Dam well said
Wait, was there no Suthu occupying this land before it was sold to the Afrikaans people back in 1991 by the National Party? And that was before the elimination of Apartheid too. And If so, what If someday, the original occupants of that land decide to come back to their land, what then happens?
Being in the middle of the karoo, very likely nobody laid claim to the land before the expansion of the Dutch settlers. The Sotho's historical territories never included the Karoo. South Africa has pretty much completed it's land restitution process under the Land Restitution Act of 1994.
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the mind senior / she boggles
Idk what to say, feels a bit weird, even though I'm happy it's prosperous. Are there other towns like this in SA, like only for the Zulu or any other group? It's a bit strange if it stands out as the only one...
There are millions of pairs of eyes IN THE BUSH over the river, eyeing Orania.s destruction, YOUJUSTWAITANDSEE
Sounds like you would like that.
These journalists are hyper focused on the race question. Can you be a Zulu of European Descent? Can you be a Xhosa of Zulu descent?
Unless you're Johnnie Kleg, no.
Ek het sopas iets vandag geleer. Ek het nooit geweet Orania is in die Karoo.
Iranian is doing fine. Preserving their economy, moral and discipline. Forget apartheid. That song of apartheid has expired. Don't allow the government to touch your city. They will destroy it and steal the money. Protect your children future. In fact each province for itself, viva💪
Are we free of separateness? given that all our social systems and personal ideology or our social conduct, is by some measure fundamentally based on identification and association. My answe is no, were not free of it.
When we observe societies, we are able to glean that separatism appears inherent in all societies. Moreover it is our selective reasoning that ultimately negates or strengthens it depending on the order we subscribe to. Undeniably the intrinsic nature of separatism, when threatened, it results in extrinsic contempt - as we experience here and now.
Dissenters often express disgust against separatism by relying on their apposing views that are predicated on by ethical standards. Paradoxically this justification fails to observe that it too is an act of exclusion even when such resistance is democratically justified to achieve 'a' version of freedom. Evolving from stifling circumstances such as immorality, political injustices or religious dogma, that seemingly contradicts 'a' version freedom proved imperative throughout history.
Exclusion validates a measure of moral subscription.
Supporting any ideology that defines an "acceptable conduct" or 'a' version of freedom requires exclusion. Historically it was inclusion that failed because people continued to live unadjusted and as a result, war and perpetual rebellion ensued. The barriers between apposing ethical forces is the contention dividing the 'for' or 'against' supporters - two versions of freedom. Separatism can be found between two harmonious societies - it's still separatism and we are by some ideology 'guilty' of it. There are no societies free of separatism and this is equally true for individuals. Everything we do, from social appearances, to actions or moral subscription are essentially clusters of beliefs - separatism. Therein lies paradox.
Since history does report social conduct, it is easy to predict that separatism will perpetuate and therefore compromise overall freedom because it recognises different versions of freedom. Since freedom is subjective, it will remain in contempt.
Im quite lost what does the word Afrikaner mean.....or mybe im just dumb lol
White lol 😂
Afrikaners are Afrikaans speaking South Africans descended from the original Dutch, French, German etc settlers of the Cape. They’re about 60% of white South Africans but there are still hundreds of thousands who aren’t, mainly English speaking descendants of British settlers who came later.
@@latoyarakubu6905 Wrong!
THIS PEOPLE HAVE STRONG SUPPORT OF OTHER COUNTRIES.
Which countries?
ANC has 116 race LAWS
You don't see Israel occupation of palastain on this orania one day?
Definitely True.....! Why? Because the ethnic group you hail from has ABSOLUTELY Z E R O capacity to build, create and add value to ANYTHING! Remember June/July 2021 KZN and Gauteng!
This SHOULD be an EMBARRASSMENT to South Africa.
What's embarrassing is how disgusting town is and all the squatters.
Crime rate is zero!
What, the fact that Orania is a CLEAN town ??
Why?
What is the difference between the Mormons in the USA and the Whites in Orania in SA
Everything
Thumbs up for Joost!!!!!!!
CHRIST JESUS: Jesus Christ is Lord.
I will never ever visit orania again, I'm white, I speak Afrikaans as for it's my mother tongue, I married a Norwegian girl, went to orania, nice at first speaking Afrikaans, I turned around translating to my wife what I've said, as for I respect my wife, not long after I translated the bloke told me eks n landsveraaier, n veraaier van jou eie taal, just because I'm married to a Norwegian girl?
You will find people there who don't have that belief. The same way you will find racists in the rest of South Africa. Don't blame Orania, blame the individual.
What the used of a government other thank isolating us from one another
As a white man pretending to be black, I support them, so viva Orania!
What do you say male a they are in your backyard kuno akati pasi. Navo
Very poor this town.
Orania is in no way an apartheid town for the simple fact there arent any non whites who alface legal second class citizenship.
The video is just trying to lie
Whuz doing labour jobs there
The people staying there do everything themselves.
Can somebody pls educate me, who are the maids & gardiners in orania? Is it white people?
Same as in my house. Myself and my wife
They do all their work themselves
@@dn822 owk, I hear you...
The irony of this place. I mean, the Netherlands still exist
Why everyone brings in race ,so immature,this is an Afrikaner town.leave them alone they're successful and doing well. I know white Afrikaners that have not got in, it's a plain as that. Let them live in their own success. If you have a problem then start your own place with your own culture.
🤦🏽♂️ Policy 101. Just because something may not be promulgated as a racist policy does not necessarily mean that it’s not racist. When you study policy you are taught that some policies appear to not have anything to do with race, gender, sexual orientation, etc on their face (Prima Facie) but all the trappings, assessments, effects, employs, wherewithal, etc point to the policy only favouring or prejudicing certain peoples. So, no, it’s not immature that the race question keeps popping up…it is because people have correctly discerned what Orania is actually about -particularly after the surface is scratched.
@@HerculesMhlongo very succinctly put, the point is the more we drum on about it the longer the problem will last, it's time every South African puts the past in the past and focusses on what can be and not was,even though the despicable things that transpired in the past have an influence on the current,the fact is that the more focus on that in all ways brings that into the forefront and gives it more credence ,I'm not saying play that the past doesn't exist,but to focus on giving less credence to what is evil and more to what is right in our country, my personal feeling is whatever their conviction is they're there far from anywhere, as our Khoi brothers are further west , it's like the typical political agenda pointing out others so your own faults aren't seen. I like the way you make your point respect to you,and thank you for the though provoking answer.
@@ReformedVicar I want to first say, from the first sentence I read in your reply I felt a tone of understanding and genuine interaction (exchange of ideas).
Now I completely understand what it is that you were saying in the principal comment. I find myself somewhat agreeing with you; if we leave them to live in their own utopia that they righteously ~or unrighteously~ have created for themselves and we instead focus our energies on building a broader South Africa that has dealt with the undertones that were prevalent in the past then we may have an actual hope to have a thriving society…yes.
I also want to acknowledge the point you made about some Afrikaners that have not gotten in, but I would like to extend your point to “most Afrikaners have no intention of being ‘citizens’ of Orania for whatever reasons. This points to priorities, beliefs, cultural practices and maybe even pure freedom of security (Job, Family, Social, etc…).
I guess we are just traumatized and Orania triggers PTSD.😂
@@HerculesMhlongo very well put. Bless you my brother and thank you
And he said they not racists
Hilarious 😂
They can go to Europe
Orania is their home, they're going nowhere. They're growing and prospering!
There is a question mark on the land in future the government will take back the land
@@tchamola7572 No they won't. Orania is here to stay forever, like it or not.
Let's the time come we are ready for everything to take back our land
@@tchamola7572🤡
I'll be the first black to reside in orania thanks for accepting me
I'm sure you'll find your new neighbours charming.
Yes it was created for cultural purposes indeed, which is non other than apartheid and racism for such is are the main elements in Caucasian culture
Caucasian culture, means the culture of the peoples in the Caucasus mountain region... countries like Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan & Southwest Russia.
Who would be very offended by this statement, especially since they never participated in Western European colonization...
I never knew you have people supporting this : go where yur from with it. Ramaphosa this is apartheid starting up again please to stop it b 4 it goes any further.
You've got your head screwed on wrong. It is the ANC that is promoting Apartheid with their Bee laws. Orania is the natural reaction to it. If you want Orania to go away, stop voting vor r@cist and socialist parties that is destroying this country.
People supporting their own culture. What a sick world we live in.
Mxm you are jealous because your EFF and ANC are too useless, and they are destroying everything they touch.
They are harming no one, leave them alone instead of being a racist.
It has long agi mushroomed becoz they keep themselfs busy training with guns while we busy boozing aĺ weekend
Why can’t Coloureds join? When they speak the same language as Afrikaners.
Because they're closed minded look how the Afrikaners treated coloureds during apartheid.
Because it's about the CULTURE. What is hard for you to understand?? The entire video was about that.
Just because you speak a language, doesn't mean the culture is the same.
@@temporarymonk4022 It’s close enough to speak the same language and have similar bloodlines.
@@trollingizlife2298 Dude. No way you think couloreds have Afrikaner culture.
@@temporarymonk4022 They eat the same foods as you. After all, it’s your culture that fathered them.
Orania se gat
But oeinia is insouth afrika get the land and share these are racists big time malema weathered hemust dismantle this nonsense 😂❤😂😂🎉😢
Chest pains take panados.
400yrs keep on robbing as but oneday is oneday
Yipp and sommer give back the combustion engine the formely tarred roads the piped water the flushing toilets the boeing the cell phone and all over coveted aspiration gadgets
What are they robbing? They're CREATING!
Robbing what exactly and with wat proof
Would you rather they moved in next door to you?
😂😂 The chest pains.
Julius Malema if you win Orania town must fall it should not be allow to excite in Africa
😂😂 Sorry neh chest pains take panados
Bra thats a dessert even if juju takes it it's worth nithing even my village in KZN is better because the land is fertile we have WiFi and the cellphone signal is good we have malls hospitals and the beach to swim and have sea food
One day is one day we will take back that place oriana yamasimba
Why would you want it? It's a worthless track of land in the desert, leave them to it.
And you'll turn it into thriving oasis of peace and prosperity like the rest of South Africa?
I hate orania
Chest pains take panados