I mean, could have just brought up that Pantera dressed glam. They were no one to be talking about anyone wearing makeup. This is a case of buying into your own current hype and image like you don't have a past that you're over compensating for. (entertainingly so, I'm a big Pantera fan)
@@christopherh2563the first 2 albums were made when they were literally 16, people judging them on what they made when they were kids is so dumb, even so the first albums were pretty impressive for a bunch of teenage boys
I saw Pantera 12 times throughout the 90s, and there was a period there - somewhere between 1995 and 1998, I suppose - where Phil Anselmo would address the crowd, which he did 50 times a show, and eventually get to the topic of Metallica, where he would say Metallica did this and did that and sold out and went soft, etc, and that "we [Pantera] are the new kings of heavy metal. No radio play, no MTV videos, just you the fans and us. We are the new kings of heavy metal." Of course it was true, Pantera were a ruthless, relentless touring act. I mean, they came to my town (Detroit) twice a year in those days. And every one of those Ozzfests in the late 90s back then. And they were the new kings of heavy metal, it was undisputed. However. Whenever Phil would go off on one of those rants, you could clearly see Dimebag (and maybe the others) shuffling their feet in discomfort, listening to the spokesperson of their band sort of insult their personal heroes, and they would have to listen through it, having those words represent themselves despite the fact they probably didn't represent how they actually felt. Anyway, just saw Pantera and Metallica last night at Ford Field and apparently its all good now LOL.
It’s ironic when you think about dimebag and Vinny’s start, hair band metal, leggings. It wasn’t until far beyond driven that they solidified their identity as the cowboys from hell. The badasses. But cmon, you can’t talk shit about Metallica.
Maybe, but that's probably because they changed to a more radio friendly sound, to bring in all the posers. Everyone who knows anything knows metallica might have more fans, more money, but Pantera were the metal goats. Hands down. Also pantera fans might be a 3rd of metallica fans, but there still more bad ass
And Corgan's a hypocrite. His 90s success was mostly driven by his disdain for Nirvana and Courtney Love. He was the reigning heavyweight champion of talking trash about other bands for a while.
its funny to read some of the messages about Panteras "glam days". What does it matter what their sound was in the early to mid 80's? Metallica's sound change dramatically from Kill em all to the black album. Many bands shift their sound as they find their way, and most of the glam hair metal stuff they were doing was before Phil joined the band. They did one "glam" record with him before they started to shift towards the CFH sound that got heavier and heavier with each new album. If the Pantera haters are trying to bash the group because they had a sound that just about every band had in the 80's, that's pretty weak. But its cool, if you hate Pantera for how they sounded when they were 15 years old, oh well. What they did for metal, real metal, in the 90's will always out weigh their early days. Even Rex says the glam stuff isnt Pantera, that wasn't their true identity. They discovered that once Phil came in. Metallica may have made millions in the 90's but Pantera carried the flag for metal during that period. And it says a lot that during their shows together how many comments ive read from people saying this version of Pantera was far better than Metallica. Metallica will always have their spot on the mt rushmore of metal, but Pantera has their argument to be in the conversation.
Him and Dime were actually friends... Dime even gave billy his own Washburn ML as a gift. From what I've heard Dime only gave guitars as gifts to Zakk Wylde, Kerry King, David Allan Coe and Billy Corgan. Pretty sure it's more than just a name drop.
@@kristopherryanwatson is that a real question, you think Billy Corgan told the Phil Anselmo of the 90s to shut the f*ck up to his face? Like I said probably Dime but he isn’t saying shit to a prime , ultra aggressive Phil Anselmo
@@Jesoterichonestly if he said it to dime that would be worse, dude was the most down to earth guy ever. Also I’m sure phil would’ve fought for dimebag, it’s probably just a bs story so he can stroke his ego
This is not a revelation to me. The rigid mindset of metalheads and their standards for what is 'true metal' is the reason Pantera is hated so much. It has nothing to do with the band supposedly being racist or bigots (learn the difference). They could care less about that or anything sociopolitical. I can show you metal bands that propagate actual racism without being a virtue-signaller! Apart from punk, there is a hint of classic rock in Master. I know that makes a lot of dorky metalheads cringe!
Yea they were 16 years old and making music that their idols made before them…. Also it’s better to start glam than go heavier each album rather than starting decently heavy than selling out and becoming radio rock for mainstream attention 😂
Back in the day you had to buy albums and your musical knowledge was incredibly thin compared to today's kids listening to 80 different genres on Spotify or RUclips. You simply didn't have the same spectrum of influence and knowledge. It was incredibly common listening to 5 or 6 mainstream artists and then maybe find a cassette of some underground band. It was totally plausible for Pantera listening to big mainstream artists and being influenced by them. For example it's incredible how many metal bands loved Kiss, they all grew up with them even if kiss are not even an "influence" in their music, grunge and metal bands all f with Gene Simmons and company. So, no, it's not strange at all that Pantera were glam at 16, they didn't have a time machine in the 80s in order to use Spotify and listen to different artists.
@@gabrielegagliardi3956 Back in the day, the musical landscape was a completely different beast compared to what we have now. You didn’t have the luxury of having thousands of songs from every imaginable genre at your fingertips. No, instead, you had to go out and physically buy albums, or if you were lucky, tape them off the radio or borrow a cassette from a friend. And let’s be real, your musical knowledge was painfully limited compared to today’s kids who can explore 80 different genres on Spotify or RUclips without breaking a sweat. The sheer spectrum of influence and knowledge available to them is astronomical, and they don’t even realize how good they have it. Back then, it was incredibly common, almost a given, to listen to just 5 or 6 mainstream artists-who were pretty much force-fed to you by radio stations and MTV. If you were really adventurous, you might stumble upon a cassette of some underground band, but that was more the exception than the rule. There was no algorithm curating a playlist of obscure tracks for you; you had to dig through record stores, relying on word of mouth or pure luck. So it’s not surprising at all that a band like Pantera started out glam when they were teenagers. They didn’t have a time machine in the 80s to jump forward and use Spotify to broaden their horizons and discover different artists that might have led them down another path. They were simply products of their time. And let's not forget how pervasive mainstream artists were back then. It’s incredible how many metal bands from that era absolutely idolized Kiss. Even if Kiss didn’t directly influence their music, they were still a massive part of the cultural backdrop. Grunge, metal, punk-these bands all had mad respect for Gene Simmons and company. It’s almost hilarious to think about how deeply Kiss wormed their way into the hearts of musicians who went on to create vastly different sounds. But that’s what happens when your access to music is so restricted. You latch onto what’s available, and sometimes that means that the glam rock theatrics of Kiss end up seeping into the consciousness of bands that would later help define much harder and darker genres. So, no, it’s not strange at all that Pantera was glam when they were 16. People seem to forget that these were kids growing up in an era with limited musical exposure. They didn’t have the luxury of hopping onto RUclips and exploring a dozen different subgenres in an afternoon. They were shaped by what they could get their hands on, and at the time, glam was what was accessible and popular. Expecting them to have been anything else at that age is absurd when you consider the constraints of the time. Honestly, it’s a testament to their growth that they evolved from that glam sound into the iconic metal force they eventually became.
Because it's well known that Corgan is a huge metalhead and came up on Priest, VH, Sabbath, etc...why do you think he was hanging out backstage at a Pantera show in the first place?
I saw Pantera at the Backroom in Austin, Tx in 1993 or 94. Billy Corgan was standing right behind me as the SP were playing the next night. I turned around and looked at him and he just shot a look at me if looks could kill. He just looked pissed. Needless to say, I did not bother to say hello.
Right now, I am thinking the same thing about Smashing Pumpkins, that Pantera was thinking about Metallica
Corgan should've just brought up Pantera's Power Metal album
Great fucking album. Nothing to be ashamed about. Still a lot more metal than Load/Reload.
That's not the it, you're thinking (but still not) about the two first albums.
I mean, could have just brought up that Pantera dressed glam. They were no one to be talking about anyone wearing makeup. This is a case of buying into your own current hype and image like you don't have a past that you're over compensating for. (entertainingly so, I'm a big Pantera fan)
@Zerothnz Power Metal is a great fucking album.
@@christopherh2563the first 2 albums were made when they were literally 16, people judging them on what they made when they were kids is so dumb, even so the first albums were pretty impressive for a bunch of teenage boys
Corgan needs to tell his shapeshifter meeting story again!!
That’s why I’m here, looking for that.
@@paulotonedef Look at his Howard Stern interview..
@@MarcusAurelius7777 thanks mate
Wtf are you talking about? There are no shapeshifters thats folklore and myths
@@TiwazPagan-if3og exactly what a shapeshifter would say!
I saw Pantera 12 times throughout the 90s, and there was a period there - somewhere between 1995 and 1998, I suppose - where Phil Anselmo would address the crowd, which he did 50 times a show, and eventually get to the topic of Metallica, where he would say Metallica did this and did that and sold out and went soft, etc, and that "we [Pantera] are the new kings of heavy metal. No radio play, no MTV videos, just you the fans and us. We are the new kings of heavy metal."
Of course it was true, Pantera were a ruthless, relentless touring act. I mean, they came to my town (Detroit) twice a year in those days. And every one of those Ozzfests in the late 90s back then. And they were the new kings of heavy metal, it was undisputed.
However. Whenever Phil would go off on one of those rants, you could clearly see Dimebag (and maybe the others) shuffling their feet in discomfort, listening to the spokesperson of their band sort of insult their personal heroes, and they would have to listen through it, having those words represent themselves despite the fact they probably didn't represent how they actually felt.
Anyway, just saw Pantera and Metallica last night at Ford Field and apparently its all good now LOL.
all good nothing.
No wonder Phil and the Abbott brothers eventually broke off. Phil just couldn’t keep himself in check.
Remember that time billy said he saw his friend turn into a skinwalker
it was real man
I don't know what he seen, but I got the feeling he believed that shit!
Legend has it his hat is still leaning forward
“Despite all my rage I still feel like a rat in a cage!”
Imagine looking like Uncle Fester and hanging on to that Zero branding.
How dare he wear his hat like that
LMAO TRUE
Lol true true
Literally
hahaha
He can wear it however he wants
“Ok, drink this horrible poison, you f_in’ alternative weirdo.” That made me laugh.
Of course it had to be Black Tooth Grin
It’s ironic when you think about dimebag and Vinny’s start, hair band metal, leggings. It wasn’t until far beyond driven that they solidified their identity as the cowboys from hell. The badasses. But cmon, you can’t talk shit about Metallica.
Looking back I hated Load but now I love it and I thinks it’s pretty darn heavy
Corgan looks like fat joe
Funny thing is Load tour alone or even the reload tour alone made more money than all of Panteras combined tour's..
Maybe, but that's probably because they changed to a more radio friendly sound, to bring in all the posers. Everyone who knows anything knows metallica might have more fans, more money, but Pantera were the metal goats. Hands down. Also pantera fans might be a 3rd of metallica fans, but there still more bad ass
Popularity doesn’t equate to talent.
@@marsoblivi0n945 Metallica is more talented at writing songs and that’s what matters the most.
@@jordanstacy980That's rather debatable
And Corgan's a hypocrite. His 90s success was mostly driven by his disdain for Nirvana and Courtney Love. He was the reigning heavyweight champion of talking trash about other bands for a while.
And then Phil had 5 minutes alone with him.
I seen phil open up for Metallica in 2008 he said to the crowd who brings there kids to a fucking Metallica show.....i was like wtf
Yeah Phil says and does alotta things but he doesn’t think very clearly about em
That's why I love him, he doesn't give a fuk! 😅
What did he say?
its funny to read some of the messages about Panteras "glam days". What does it matter what their sound was in the early to mid 80's? Metallica's sound change dramatically from Kill em all to the black album. Many bands shift their sound as they find their way, and most of the glam hair metal stuff they were doing was before Phil joined the band. They did one "glam" record with him before they started to shift towards the CFH sound that got heavier and heavier with each new album. If the Pantera haters are trying to bash the group because they had a sound that just about every band had in the 80's, that's pretty weak. But its cool, if you hate Pantera for how they sounded when they were 15 years old, oh well. What they did for metal, real metal, in the 90's will always out weigh their early days. Even Rex says the glam stuff isnt Pantera, that wasn't their true identity. They discovered that once Phil came in. Metallica may have made millions in the 90's but Pantera carried the flag for metal during that period. And it says a lot that during their shows together how many comments ive read from people saying this version of Pantera was far better than Metallica. Metallica will always have their spot on the mt rushmore of metal, but Pantera has their argument to be in the conversation.
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Looks lets just settle this fairly and agree that 80s Metallica albums > 80s Pantera albums and 90s Pantera albums > 90s Metallica albums
Haha this title and image made me lol, then his alternative weirdo joke was even funnier
If he ever just dreamed he told Phil, Dime and Vinnie to shut the f up, he'd better apologize as soon as he woke up.
Why? What were they doing to do 😂
SiriusXM give Billy a show.
😅😆...man, i love ZERO cap
Corgan is a metal head just saw before they came on it was all Judas Priest over the arena he loves Priest that's cool in my book!
Smashing pumpkins and Pantera and Metallica all have my respect
The audacity 😂😂
3 albums?
Cowboys, Vulgar, Far Beyond at that time
Phil Anselmo might be that guy but I dunno he trained that kid to be heavy metal tho
Skate 4 life! 🤘🏽😈🤘🏽
Pantera makes Metallica look like the spice girls.
Look at pics of Pantera from their first album. Hypocrisy on their end.
@@drumbeardpantera makes metallica look like the spice girls
@@1-2-4-0 ok, whatever makes you feel superior
@@1-2-4-0pantera we’re the spice girls before they heard metallica records 😂
Everybody calm the fuck down. They just played together just now. They're on friendly terms again.
You know most of these metalheads are not badass it's just the front and an image I'm a Metalhead can I see that everywhere
top 10 stories that didn’t happen
Metallica did howard stern with miley cyrus, that really speaks volumes.
Ridiculous.
Yeah right. Billy Pumpkin name dropping again.
Him and Dime were actually friends... Dime even gave billy his own Washburn ML as a gift.
From what I've heard Dime only gave guitars as gifts to Zakk Wylde, Kerry King, David Allan Coe and Billy Corgan. Pretty sure it's more than just a name drop.
Pantera linearly followed Metallica
yup
I mean the title is a bit baity cause he goes on to call pantera the best metal band on the planet lol
He might have said that to Dimebag or some crew, I guarantee he didn’t say that to Phil Anselmo
and you have doubts of that why ?
@@kristopherryanwatson is that a real question, you think Billy Corgan told the Phil Anselmo of the 90s to shut the f*ck up to his face? Like I said probably Dime but he isn’t saying shit to a prime , ultra aggressive Phil Anselmo
@@Jesoterichonestly if he said it to dime that would be worse, dude was the most down to earth guy ever. Also I’m sure phil would’ve fought for dimebag, it’s probably just a bs story so he can stroke his ego
Cool fake story billy
Right nobody brought this story up but Corgan 😂
Corgan left out the part about, when right after he told them to STFU, Phil gave him instant CTE.
This is not a revelation to me. The rigid mindset of metalheads and their standards for what is 'true metal' is the reason Pantera is hated so much. It has nothing to do with the band supposedly being racist or bigots (learn the difference). They could care less about that or anything sociopolitical. I can show you metal bands that propagate actual racism without being a virtue-signaller! Apart from punk, there is a hint of classic rock in Master. I know that makes a lot of dorky metalheads cringe!
[ Anselmo would smash this pumpkin head.]
80s pantera was glam shit !! 😅😅
and?
Yea they were 16 years old and making music that their idols made before them…. Also it’s better to start glam than go heavier each album rather than starting decently heavy than selling out and becoming radio rock for mainstream attention 😂
Back in the day you had to buy albums and your musical knowledge was incredibly thin compared to today's kids listening to 80 different genres on Spotify or RUclips. You simply didn't have the same spectrum of influence and knowledge. It was incredibly common listening to 5 or 6 mainstream artists and then maybe find a cassette of some underground band. It was totally plausible for Pantera listening to big mainstream artists and being influenced by them. For example it's incredible how many metal bands loved Kiss, they all grew up with them even if kiss are not even an "influence" in their music, grunge and metal bands all f with Gene Simmons and company. So, no, it's not strange at all that Pantera were glam at 16, they didn't have a time machine in the 80s in order to use Spotify and listen to different artists.
@@gabrielegagliardi3956 Back in the day, the musical landscape was a completely different beast compared to what we have now. You didn’t have the luxury of having thousands of songs from every imaginable genre at your fingertips. No, instead, you had to go out and physically buy albums, or if you were lucky, tape them off the radio or borrow a cassette from a friend. And let’s be real, your musical knowledge was painfully limited compared to today’s kids who can explore 80 different genres on Spotify or RUclips without breaking a sweat. The sheer spectrum of influence and knowledge available to them is astronomical, and they don’t even realize how good they have it.
Back then, it was incredibly common, almost a given, to listen to just 5 or 6 mainstream artists-who were pretty much force-fed to you by radio stations and MTV. If you were really adventurous, you might stumble upon a cassette of some underground band, but that was more the exception than the rule. There was no algorithm curating a playlist of obscure tracks for you; you had to dig through record stores, relying on word of mouth or pure luck. So it’s not surprising at all that a band like Pantera started out glam when they were teenagers. They didn’t have a time machine in the 80s to jump forward and use Spotify to broaden their horizons and discover different artists that might have led them down another path. They were simply products of their time.
And let's not forget how pervasive mainstream artists were back then. It’s incredible how many metal bands from that era absolutely idolized Kiss. Even if Kiss didn’t directly influence their music, they were still a massive part of the cultural backdrop. Grunge, metal, punk-these bands all had mad respect for Gene Simmons and company. It’s almost hilarious to think about how deeply Kiss wormed their way into the hearts of musicians who went on to create vastly different sounds. But that’s what happens when your access to music is so restricted. You latch onto what’s available, and sometimes that means that the glam rock theatrics of Kiss end up seeping into the consciousness of bands that would later help define much harder and darker genres.
So, no, it’s not strange at all that Pantera was glam when they were 16. People seem to forget that these were kids growing up in an era with limited musical exposure. They didn’t have the luxury of hopping onto RUclips and exploring a dozen different subgenres in an afternoon. They were shaped by what they could get their hands on, and at the time, glam was what was accessible and popular. Expecting them to have been anything else at that age is absurd when you consider the constraints of the time. Honestly, it’s a testament to their growth that they evolved from that glam sound into the iconic metal force they eventually became.
He looks like a zero.
😂😂😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
billy corgan is a joke is the music industry and in life
And then everyone clapped right? Or did he wake up?
who the fuck is this dude anyway?
Aww poor whittle Billy.
Corgan is a dork
Why do I not believe a letter of this?
@@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle Quit being an ERA fan. You're being a fan of the wrong ERA. Get off the internet you mongrel.
@@davidpearson6346 lol
Because nobody else does either.
Smashing Pumpkins are trash, Corgan trying to get clicks dropping other bands names cause no one listens to his shit
Then Phil killed him, Dime and Vinnie ate him, and Rex took a shot out of stress.
Why would anyone give a shit what he thinks about anything to do with metal?
Because it's well known that Corgan is a huge metalhead and came up on Priest, VH, Sabbath, etc...why do you think he was hanging out backstage at a Pantera show in the first place?
"Why would anyone give a shit what he thinks about anything to do with metal?"
Says guy who clicked on a link about Billy Corgan talking about metal
@@vlcheish How else was I supposed to find an answer? It was not a rhetorical question.
@@slimyfisher1370 Fratbros? What year do you think this is? So Smashing Pumpkins is what's the Gen Z kids are playing nonstop during parities? lmao
I saw Pantera at the Backroom in Austin, Tx in 1993 or 94. Billy Corgan was standing right behind me as the SP were playing the next night. I turned around and looked at him and he just shot a look at me if looks could kill. He just looked pissed. Needless to say, I did not bother to say hello.