I’m Conflicted about The Chosen
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I really enjoy the Chosen series but I have to agree with you. A person that knows the Bible can distinguish between what's entertainment vs the Word. But...I can see where certain aspects of it can be misleading to someone that is seeking Christ.
Don't let the Chosen be your Bible. ❤✝️✝️✝️
well said
I believe at the beginning of the first episode, it basically says what you just said, “This is not a replacement for the Bible.”
Um, I think that The Chosen is a direct breaking of the second commandment so.
I’m a visual person so I like watching how life was like during Jesus’s time though I also like reading the Bible a lot
@@user-jr7pc7wp5k The second commandment is specifically about worship.... so long as you're not worshipping "The Chosen" or it's actor(s).... "graven image (noun) · graven images (plural noun)
a carved idol or representation of a god used as an object of worship." It's a giant step to claim the show is a graven image.
When I was younger I used to watched Touched by an angel and my mom would always say, no matter how much you learn from the show you will always learn more from the Bible so don't make it your Bible
Wow ❤
I agree but if the show is leading you to the Bible and backs up dialogue with biblical scripture then shouldn't that tell you something?…
Weirdly, one of my biggest concerns with the chosen is the amount of people I've heard saying that the chosen brought them back to God, or made them "fall in love with Jesus again." I'm not concerned that they are coming back to God or faith or whatever, I'm concerned because the Jesus of the chosen is not the actual Jesus, but merely the creative team's interpretation of the actual Jesus. And I fear many people are drawn to/devoted to the creative team's interpretation of Christ, rather than Christ Himself.
If the Chosen is the catalyst that brings you back to God, that's fantastic. But the real Jesus isn't the one revealed in the show; the real Jesus is the one revealed in the Bible.
It’s no accident imo that the cast are very good looking.
Exactly this. It's very concerning actually.
True
Exactly this. People are replacing biblical Jesus with the Chosen Jesus and many people are seeing Jonathan Roumie as the face and they’re content with that. Not a true representation of faith and could lead to false conversion. Acknowledgment of the need for a savior and true repentance is the only way to lead to true sanctification and a relationship with Christ. Yes, God can work things out for our good but I stay away from the Chosen. If one doesn’t have enough discernment, it’s best to not be a stumbling block for others
@@paradiserestored6179 how much discernment we need? What if we're feeling so untrustworthy we don't even want to read English Bible translations?
If you listen to Dallas Jenkins, he says he’s not replacing Scripture. His goal is for people to watch, and then desire to read the Bible more, which definitely worked on me. Plus dramatic retellings of history are never going to be 100% accurate.
Yes, but to say Mormons believe the same God as Christians is terrible.
He addressed that near the start of the video about Dallas saying that and at the start of some of the videos there is a message saying that as well. (Just watch the video before commenting something)
I watched seasons 1 and 2, which encouraged me to read the Bible for the first to myself. I never did because I have a hard time reading but I have almost finished reading the whole Bible. However, I still have concerns with the recent controversies around The Chosen and putting words into Jesus' mouth.
We all need to take a balanced view of this. I'm thankful and have donated a lot of money to The Chosen because of what they did to help my faith walk AND I'm concerned because I don't want others to be led astray. (Which is happening)
This is 100% true. I think we still need to have discernment with any content we are taking in and judging it against scripture as well as our own convictions. It’s definitely not Dallas or Jonathan’s fault if someone starts seeing him as Jesus. That’s on them to work through.
He mentioned this within the first 3 minutes of the video…
Even the words in Scripture aren’t 100% accurate for what Jesus exactly said, as they’re going off of memory decades later. You’ll see this between Gospels, with slightly different quotations.
"Don't say you love the anime if you never read the manga"
💯 😂
Been this fr
crazy lol
yes 😂😂
The anime will never live up to the anime
Imagine all the non-Christians who heard the words of Jesus for the first time because of the Chosen. No human representation of the divine is perfect. And it doesn't have to be. The Chosen is leading people to God, who is perfect.
Sounds good from a human point of view.
But do you lean on YOUR understanding or God when He said, Don't change the Bible.
(I'm paraphrasing).
When did human movie makers become God's editor?
There's a lotta deception in christianity.... and way too many sappy, naive and undiscerning christians. We're fast moving into *Matthew 24:24* territory.... Satan's having a field day...... Simply put: the Chosen presents ANOTHER Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4) NOT the Jesus of the Bible. Christians are BLIND if they don't see that..... Those who love *the Chosen* don't read their Bibles properly. It's no surprise Mormons are involved in the production; they present ANOTHER gospel (Galatians 1:6-9)
there's a lot of deception in christianity and way too many sappy, naive and undiscerning christians. We're fast moving into *Matthew 24:24* territory.... Simply put: the Chosen presents ANOTHER Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4) NOT the Jesus of the Bible. Christians are BLIND if they don't see that..... Those who love *the Chosen* don't read their Bibles properly. It's no surprise Mormons are involved in the production; they present ANOTHER gospel (Galatians 1:6-9)
Where did they change the Bible?
No, they are not hearing the Word of God. They are hearing words made up by an all too human being not lead by the Spirit of God.
God’s Word is enough. We don’t need anything added to it or taken away from it.
So glad Touch By An Angel came out before social media.
I would say that there are really good complements, but we need to be carefull about them, for example, the bible without us going to church could end in someone with wrong ideas about the gospel, thats why it is important to belong to a comunity and study with others, i really like the text of the Apostolic Fathers and the Church fathers, they really let you know how the first christians understood the bible
But Prince of Egypt and The Passion of the Christ were really good!
These individuals are catholic. They believe it's okay to do things like this since they think they wrote the Bible. The believe it's church then bible- don't argue with me look it up they admitt it
Good thing the show isn’t trying to do either.
My take is that it is always better to make an original story with Christian themes (i.e. C.S. Lewis or J.R.R. Tolkien) than to make an adaptation of The Bible. Making The Bible itself into entertainment inherently waters it down and it is just better as a Christian artist to lead people to the glorious and inerrant Bible than to try and adapt it yourself as a flawed and fallen human who lacks the same exact Godly inspiration the Biblical writers had. Christian artists can and should honor God through their output, but The Bible itself is not entertainment and it is foolhardy to try and create your own version of it. God bless you and your ministry as always.
Oh my goodness, my thoughts exactly. That's why I love Pilgrim's Progress, there are so many different versions and I enjoy watching them all. It's a great allegory of the Christian's Journey. I would love it if there were more stories like that being made. That would be fantastic.
I concur! Amen!
Many testimonials of the Chosen doing just that.
I would agree on it being better to make an original story with Christian themes, though less strongly with the rest of your comment. I actually have a couple of Christian video game ideas and one of them has a Christian as the protagonist in the story.
Disney created a good adaptation. It's called The Small One (1978).
I was conflicted for two years. Then I finally let go of the chosen because for me it’s the right thing to do. I was convicted and I listened.
Good job. I’m still unsure whether it’s a Holy Spirit directed choice or whether there’s a hard line for all Christians, but good job listening to your convictions either way
I did read some stories of people (re)attending church, start reading the bible and returning to faith or converting after watching the show. I believe that good things are done and I'll still watch it tbh, but I do agree that there are some humble critical eyes needed.
@@marlena. yes, this is true. But I question their motives. Only God knows the hearts of others, however I agree to what brother Isaac said in this video about people idolizing Jonathan as if he is Jesus and the disciples being the actual disciples of the Bible and the stories that are added into the show for emotional and entertainment purposes. That’s a problem. God doesn’t approve idolatry. And one of the fruit of the Spirit is self control. And to be honest the chosen promotes the new age teachings and one world religion. As if we all can be “friends” with whatever religion we practice.
@@RachelDee well that’s a personal walk with the LORD. And I believe it all depends how mature you are in the faith.
I’m still conflicted because there are a lot of fillers
My wife and i really enjoy the series, there are of course certain things that are not perfect. But we actually moved closer to God, joined a Christian church and started reading our Bibles cover to cover. The chosen renewed our faith and encouraged us to become more active Christians.
Idolizing the Actors is a problem, but that is a personal matter. I think if it helps people connect with Jesus and consider a faith life its doing is job as intended. The Holy Spirit will sort it out for those with a true heart. But we as a church also need to be more vocal about the gospels in our own neighborhoods.
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
There's a lotta deception in christianity.... and way too many sappy, naive and undiscerning christians. We're fast moving into *Matthew 24:24* territory.... Satan's having a field day...... Simply put: the Chosen presents ANOTHER Jesus (2 Corinthians 11:4) NOT the Jesus of the Bible. Christians are BLIND if they don't see that..... Those who love *the Chosen* don't read their Bibles properly. It's no surprise Mormons are involved in the production; they present ANOTHER gospel (Galatians 1:6-9)
Spot on. You mean God can actually use this show (He has in my life). Inconceivable! At least to some people.
It’s definitely no accident that the entire cast is particularly good looking!
@@breakingewes1316 that has got to be one of the dumbest responses I’ve seen, and I’ve seen a lot of them. Your comment is nothing more than an opinion and grossly irrelevant to the subject.
I would love the story if they went into Acts. Then we wouldn’t have the issues with putting words in Jesus’ mouth or praying to Jonathan Roumie.
they’re going into acts near 6 and 7
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Watch “A.D The bible continues”. Thats a show about the book of acts
@@wickmaani116No they aren’t. Six is the crucifixion and seven in the resurrection, they are not going into Acts. They said they might consider doing an Acts series after the Chosen is finished.
It's *never* ok to "put words in God's mouth".
Period.
Amen
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
If scripture teaches it, it came out of Jesus's mouth. If you preach a doctrine, and you justify it by scripture - you are putting that doctrine in Jesus's mouth. Scripture doesn't teach the hermeneutic or philosophical approach Augustin, Maximus, Luether, Calvin, Wesley, or Anselm used to arrive at the doctrine that you say God says is true. There is no way to have doctrines with names without, in some sense, "putting words in Jesus's mouth." Translation is changing the quality of the sound that came out of Jesus's mouth (so it changes the aesthetic quality), and all translation involves interpretation, so all translation also puts words in Jesus's mouth. Nothing in Christianity is "safe" and it wasn't intended to be, it seems to me.
When it comes to trivial things to fill in the commentary in the show, I don't really care. When it comes to portraying Jesus explaining why he won't heal little James though, that'd messed up because we do not have any recording of Jesus choosing not to heal someone. The fact that they took that liberty is really dangerous I believe.
@@crimsonstripesIt wasn’t about Jesus choosing not to heal little James. It was about Jesus teaching him that he should not care to be healed.
The fact that you didn’t get that speaks volumes about your understanding of simple situations and the scripture.
There's this interesting thing a brazilian girl said a couple months ago on her christian youtube channel. She said there's probably a good reason why Jesus was born 2000 years ago when there were no camera's or even painters. Otherwise people might make a picture of Him and glorify the picture.
Well there are icons from that time from Othodox church that were painted by early Christians.
Are you quoting @Feetulipas?
@@DaniloSantos-tz1ks yes
There were painters and sculptors in that time.
When there were no cameras (no apostrophe). The apostrophe is used to show possession. In this sentence, the camera doesn't possess anything.
Possession examples: The camera's lens is dirty. The camera's timer needs fixed.
No possession examples: In 1770 there weren't any cameras. Cameras can produce beautiful pictures.
If you’re gonna watch the Chosen, don’t use it as a substitute for scripture. For me, the show has helped me appreciate Scripture more but I know that it is not 100% accurate. We should be like the Bereans when we consume a piece of Christian media or teaching, examining it to see if it aligns with Scripture. As for the Chosen, it sets out to do what it does well, present the Gospels in a dramatic retelling to help present the humanity of Jesus and His followers.
The problem with the Chosen is it humanizes Jesus. He was man and God, but being fully God He had full certainty on what He was going to do.
That's a good point. It's probably too much to live up to acting out Jesus, scriptures say he was not remarkable looking, but the impact of his teachings are undeniable.
Man's ideas of making a character appealing is usually to humanize and add comedy because 'humans aren't perfect', but Jesus IS perfect, so it wouldn't be right to humanize him.
@@faeleiabro are you calling comedy an imperfection? that makes me a sad young man
@@faeleia There's something deeply flawed with your and @Samfan4Films777's reasoning. Since Jesus is fully God and fully human, it's not right to ignore either His humanity or His divinity. Both are core parts of His identity. In fact, it's a heresy called Docetism that asserts Jesus wasn't really human. The fact is that the Gospels give us a summary of His teaching but not his personality. What we infer as Christ's personality are usually assumptions based on dogma not Scripture. For me The Chosen has revealed how I've taken for granted what I always assumed about Jesus that was not actually evident in the Bible. Jesus is perfect, but does perfection mean He never tripped and bruise His leg? Does it mean that He never accidentally spill a cup of water? Does it mean He was the best athlete, that He could run 10 km without breaking a sweat? Does it mean He never got sick, not even a cold? These are rhetorical questions to drive the point that we know precious little about Jesus, and even if The Chosen was never made, we still have all this baggage that we need to rethink.
@@zachhecita I agree, Jesus is truly Man, truly God. How else could he be our high priest and redeemer without being embodied in the body of flesh like us? However, I don't think disagreeing with a humanised portrayal of Jesus equates to ascribing to doscetism, which is a serious accusation, for one denies the physical body of Jesus, following a false god. In this case I was more disagreeing with humanising Jesus by applying human moral flaws to the character when Jesus IS morally perfect, by nature of being God. The chosen which was known for adding attributes to characters (like Matthew being portrayed autistic in the Chosen but was not at all mentioned or hinted at in the gospels, so they have added to the character of Jesus. The scriptures do not give information on whether jesus stubbed his toes or spilled water by accident, so I'm happy to say i am not sure but will be glad to meet him and find out in future. I would imagine he was limited to the same constraints of an earthly body, prone to decay and illness (yes I think the earthly body is also subject to diseases, stresses (he sweated blood from stress) and illnesses.. after all, he was killed at the cross and pierced and spilled blood right). As for run 10km without breaking a sweat, Jesus DID walk on water, so at least we do have an example of him doing something that defies the laws of physics. As for personality, other than morally perfect (which is essential to fulfill the law to redeem us) I believe in the trinity, and we know the fruits of the Holy Spirit, patience, loving kindness, gentleness, self control, wise, love, joy etc and we know God is merciful, loves righteousness and hate sin. Now these would be what I think is biblical and fair to apply to the personality of Jesus without resorting to dogma. Plus, God's ways are not man's ways, his thoughts are higher than our thoughts, it's a fair assessment to say Hey, I don't know what Jesus was really like, but I am keen to know him more, so I will follow what's in the scriptures and politely decline to accept wholesale the portrayal in media.
I strongly disagree. Jesus was fully man in that he had a sense of humor, likes and dislikes, he got tired, a sense of humor.. he was, physically and emotionally, a human man. He was God IN human form. I think humanising him is more realistic than many other renditions i've seen.
The chosen is great. Before the first episode begins, they display message of what the show aims to do and encourages you to read your Bible.
I agree the Chosen is great and biblically accurate, no heresy, or blasphemy. It’s pretty much Bible promo like anime for Manga, or cartoons for comics. It just inspires me to read my Bible. As for the filler content it’s necessary for the format.
I disagree with how some Christians try to paint the series as bad or problematic.
There is a series of films that show scenes are the Bible is being read I enjoy those as well, they use to be in Netflix is it’s not still.
@@justchilling704In one of the episodes “jesus” refused to heal someone because he did it before. That’s blasphemy.
@@quinntenstevenson4469which episode? I don’t remember that.
@@matthewizzo3350 season three, episode two. When he’s talking to little James.
@@quinntenstevenson4469ah true, he does eventually heal him if I recall properly though right? It’s been a minute since I watched it.
That scene with Mary always hit me. Because I looked at it as how much the Lord loves me. I didn't see the scene when that part played out, I saw the God's words written in the Bible in my head as that scene played. I've been using discernment since the beginning, and I tell my children (teen and tween agers) that we can't believe this is exactly what happened back then. Even my atheist husband has been getting into it as well. He began looking up in the Bible what the show had said to find out if what they said in the show was real. We also told our children that Jesus did live in human form, but he's still God. I told my kids, Jesus had a mother, an earthly father, family, and friends, and he worked with his hands, and even though he did or had these, doesn't make him less of our Lord and Savior. Because God sent himself in human form as a living sacrifice, who's perfect and just, and is above all that has been and that will ever be, because he loves us so. This is definitely a show where we have to use a lot of discernment! My husband began to love me in a better way because of God's word from the Bible, but he also saw the connection between Simon and Eden, which started making him think about how he was treating me. But again, everyone should use tons of discernment. God said to use discernment in everything, regardless of what it is or who it is. God bless! ❤
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
As someone who is confident enough to distinguish entertainment and word in The Chosen, I really appreciate how the show makes you see the people of the Bible a little more human. But I took for granted that I understand not alot of that should be treated as separate from the word.
Thank you for this video. It helped me to realize if I show or talk about this show with non believers or new believers that I need to express the differences.
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
I agree with you on everything! Ever since the chosen came out I’ve been conflicted the whole time.. but always used discernment when watching and never let it replace the Bible or get into my head when praying and stuff
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Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
@@justshade0
In your point is?
@@dsen2283 Anyone who is pretending to be Christ/Jesus is a false Christ. Some do it to purposely deceive and some do it to spread the gospel/the good news yet if that were true they'd recognize their is only 1 Jesus so then therefore wouldn't have to pretend to be Him.
@@dsen2283 Either way the ones who purposely deceive and the ones who think their doing good are both deceiving.
@@dsen2283 And not only do they have someone pretending to be Christ/Jesus they put words He didn't say into His mouth.
I've kind of gone back and forth on this myself. I've landed on basically viewing the Chosen as a paraphrase, similar to The Message by Eugene Peterson. It can help better imagine what we're reading, but it shouldn't be a main source that you base theology or anything like that on.
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
@@justshade0 if anyone is claiming that Jonathan Roumie is actually Jesus, then that person probably needs some help mentally.
This verse has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation my guy. You should keep things in their proper context.
Agreed!
Definitely agree. Good analogy comparing it to the message translation. Feel the same.
As long as someone can comprehend the chosen as ENTERTAINMENT, I think its great. And I think a cool consequence of that is that 'fan fiction' tendencies tend to turn people to studying the bible more. Dozens of times while watching the chosen, I'll question if something is biblical and discover something they pulled from in the bible that went over my head in the past. I think in reality, everybody has a cultural image or predisposition they attach to Jesus, even while just reading their bible. Discernment is required when weighing all types of cultural, pastoral, and theological commentary on scripture.
I find that many people who disagree with the Catholic Church disagree with something that is definitively _not_ Catholic.
If you're looking for sound theology, I recommend Trent Horn.
Well put
Catholics believe Mary is the Mother of God when she was just a human the Lord chose, while a great honor, does not mean we should pray to her or make physical idols of her. Mary does not intercede for us, nor do the saints and even if they can "pray" for us in heaven scripture is clear that the only intercessor between God and man is Jesus Christ.
@@ThisisAlexaRoseyes amen ❤
Also the Catholic Church has changed the 10 commandments and they are not the same as the ones from the Bible. So to your point I think that’s why they removed the 2nd commandment and made number 10 into two because they didn’t like the “no carved images” commandment…I’m not passing judgement on Catholic ppl at all but do want to point out that not all their doctrine is fully aligned with scripture…
@@ThisisAlexaRoseMary is the mother of God though
@@subzero4190295 Mary is the mother of Jesus, the human part of Jesus. God does not have a mother, otherwise he would not be God
It helped me pick up my Bible daily and search it for myself. If we keep the Word in our heart its easier to discern fiction from truth.
David did you ever ask God if Catholicism is true or not, or let some human convinced you it is wrong? And did you ever spoke to an devoted catholic who you could ask about the topics you have questions about?
You said exactly what I've been thinking about The Chosen. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, and I pray this gets shared to as many people so they can hear why The Chosen can be lead you astray and to be careful when watching it.
When Dallas Jenkins said Mormons are our brothers and sisters in Christ, that’s when I thought “Angel studios may not have creative control but they have changed Dallas’s mind enough not worry about if the chosen goes against the Mormon church” and then I haven’t watched any episodes since season two ended. I still have respect for those who still watch it.
Are you sure he said that? I believe what he said is that Christians and Mormons "worship the same Jesus," and he later clarified that comment in a very long interview he did with Melissa Dougherty (which you can find here on RUclips).
@@sorenpx
Jenkins did call Mormons "brothers" and he said Christians and Mormons "love the same Jesus" which is egregiously false. So, you know the portrayal is not of the Biblical Jesus.
@@DefenderoftheCross If you watch Dallas's interview with Melissa Dougherty where he speaks further about what he meant when he said that then it may clarify some things for you. Essentially all he was saying was that both Christians and Mormons use the same New Testament as their starting point for information on Jesus. He wasn't saying that Mormons are Christians or that there aren't broad theological differences between us and them.
Mormon religion is built like a comic book. It is so very similar to scientology and even shares ideas from Muslim/Islam. We do not believe the same thing.
@@AImighty_Loafwell, i think the Book of Mormon is just the reverie or subterfuge of one arrogant and racist man, but I mean at least you can say it’s closer to the Truth than most religions. They have a concept of Jesus as a savior who died for our sins. That’s a good starting point at least.
Jesus does feel real in the show, and I appreciate that - But you know who REALLY feels real to me? Peter. I have always related to Peter because he believes so fervently but he tries to do so much in the flesh instead of the Spirit. Peter in the Chosen nails it.
I appreciate your courage to speak up when many of us hesitate.
I have to ask, as a Catholic I’m curious what you believe Catholicism teaches that’s wrong or contradictory. Is there something specific or just some broader topic or something?
Hey man, I hope you’ll find someone that you can get good answers from. I recommend asking it in real life from someone trustworthy because you know how social media can be.
🙏🙏
Praying to saints and Mary. Prayer is worship and a lot of the times Catholics worship the saints or Mary instead of Jesus.
Also, adding on to what somethinggood said Catholics believe during the holy communion that you can actually turn the bread and juice/wine into the actual body and blood of Christ. That is a false doctrine. That is never spoken of in the Bible. Also, Catholics believe they need to confess their sins to a priest when, in fact, you should go straight to Jesus and confess them. Also, Catholics call their priests father. When it clearly says in the Bible, you are not to call anyone father but God the Father. For it is written "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." Also, lastly, Catholics believe that you need to do good works to go to heaven. When it clearly says that "we are saved by grace through faith not of works lest any man boast." Catholics I've spoken to seem to never read their bibles. It seems they have no concept of what being "born again" is.
@@somethinggood9267bro, it is never taught in Catholicism to WORSHIP saints. Yes, catholics ask saints to intercede and pray for us. But they never WORSHIP them
@@theragingviking On the sacrament of the eucharist: John 6 : 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
The followers of Christ grumbled and then finally left after Jesus explained this several times while lowering his verbiage, he RAISED it saying you must gnaw on his flesh, a literal chewing, then some disciples left him. And he turned to his apostles and he didn't say "now what I actually meant is..." no, he instead said "are you going to leave me to." Which shows he was being literal.
Matthew 26 : 26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
This is a literal and direct command from Jesus Christ in the Bible. It is not a false doctrine, and you are speaking against Christ.
On calling no man your father: Matthew 23, he also says to call no man Rabbi (teacher), I hope you therefore didn't call your teachers in school teacher, or EVEN your biological dad father.
On faith vs works : The Catholic Church has never taught such a doctrine and, in fact, has constantly condemned the notion that men can earn or merit salvation. Catholic soteriology (salvation theology) is rooted in apostolic Tradition and Scripture and says that it is only by God’s grace-completely unmerited by works-that one is saved.
The Church teaches that it’s God’s grace from beginning to end which justifies, sanctifies, and saves us.
Works only prove that you have true faith, because you are faithfully following Jesus Christ when he said to feed the hungry, help the poor and needy. If you have faith but don't bother to help those in need you don't have true faith because you are no obeying Christ.
I have also been conflicted about The Chosen, but decided not to conflicted to watch it when my old church's women's Bible study decided to watch the new episodes of the Chosen every week instead of diving into the Word. The show's intention is to encourage people to read their Bibles, but unfortunately that is often not what happens.
I'm one of the people who enjoys the Chosen very much. From my perspective, it's helped me to stop seeing God as a person who's waiting for me to mess up to punish me; as an abusive father, basically. With my change in perspective, I now find it easier to go to the Lord in repentance. Not because my faith hinges on the Chosen, but because watching the Chosen made me want to go read the Bible more.
Of course, I also understand that people might get carried away and start treating the series like it's the Bible, when it's not. That's a danger that always comes with every movie/show/etc that centers around the gospels. I could take it a step further, and say that any piece of art that depicts anything surrounding the Lord carries that danger. Because even that can become an idol, and it has.
Edit: I also want to say that the show can't be blamed for the mistakes that other people make. Especially when there's a warning at the beginning basically telling people that the show's *NOT* the Bible. That aside, as long as the Chosen doesn't contradict the Gospel itself, then I don't see it as something to take issue with.
Edit: Regarding the "I am the Law of Moses" line. I understood it as, the Law being the standard of God's holiness. That in order to have eternal life in God's holy presence, one must meet these standards. These standards were given to man to show that we cannot measure up. That we need someone who *can* meet those standards, because those standards are sourced from God. Jesus IS God. Those standards are met in HIM. Perhaps it would've made more sense if the line was "The Law of Moses is me", or something to show that it's sourced from His holiness.
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
@@justshade0 I also think about that passage a lot. Though, I don't understand how you're applying it here. I'd really appreciate it, if you could elaborate on your intent. Thanks!
@@GeneSysFNLT Anyone who is pretending to be Christ/Jesus is a false Christ. Some do it to purposely deceive and some do it to spread the gospel/the good news yet if that were true they'd recognize their is only 1 Jesus so then therefore wouldn't have to pretend to be Him.
@@GeneSysFNLT So either way the ones deceiving purposely and the ones thinking their doing good are both deceiving.
@@justshade0 If you look at verse 22, you'll see that Jesus is calling those who "rise and show signs and wonders *to* deceive", false christs and false prophets.
In other words, the intent to deceive has to be there. It's much more different than an actor, trying to spread the gospel via performance. He's aware that he's not Jesus, and any regular person would also understand that the actor isn't Jesus. So, there's no act of deception in such a case.
If a person were to look at that same actor as if he was Jesus, then the issue is within that person's own heart. They should stop watching, repent to the Lord, and dig deep into the Bible.
I’ve had the exact conflicting feelings and concerns. This was very well explained. I keep pushing off watching it, but end up watching it still. God has spoken to me in ways when watching the Chosen, and in other scenes, there were some iffy things. And I have Christian friends who don’t watch it at all and some who do. But overall, I think we should pray for those in charge of this show, so that God can lead them into making the right choices. Also for those watching the show so that they won’t get into problems with how they view the Chosen, like thinking it’s is exactly what’s in the Bible and idolizing it, etc. We must have discernment for everything we watch, always.
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
amen. God is not the author of confusion 🩵
As a Catholic myself, I have a few points from your video
1) Jonathan Roumie being Catholic has nothing to do with the show. He isn't going to spread false things about Jesus because the Catholic Church created the Doctrine of the Trinity that you use today. If anything, you should have warned people about your fellow Protestants like the oneness Pentecostals that reject the trinity; or the 5 point Calvinist that say that Jesus didn't die on the Cross for everyone.
2) I think that what you meant to say is that the Catholic Church doesn't line up with your interpretation of the Bible.
3) I would recommend you stop saying the "Roman Catholic Church" because the name is actually the "Catholic Church." Roman (or Latin) is just one of 23 Rites within the Catholic Church so although Jonathen is part of the Latin Rite, that isn't always going to be the case and you might find a different rite. It may sound like a small thing, but it isn't the correct name for the Church.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
The Catholic church today isn't the same as back in the Day.
The Catholic Church teaches many doctrines that are in disagreement with what the Bible declares.
These include apostolic succession, worship of saints or Mary, prayer to saints or Mary, the pope/papacy, infant baptism, transubstantiation, plenary indulgences, the sacramental system, and purgatory.
While Catholics claim scriptural support for these concepts, none of these teachings have any solid foundation in Scripture. These concepts are based on Catholic tradition, not the Word of God.
I mean to me it's just a show that spreads the gospel in a unique way. I think we as christians can overthink stuff sometimes. Love you brother keep it up.
We could, but if you see it as being wanting to be careful and accurately discerning the materials that come our way, because of a respect for God's word.
In the world too, we should be careful so as not to be scammed or deceived by crooks, to not be swayed by subliminal messaging in advertisements, to identify when something might be propaganda, to do our research when buying an item so as not to overpay for something, why should we switch our discernment off when it comes to theology, which guides our morals and every aspect of life? :)
@@faeleiayeah I agree ^^' (with both comments, but with this in particular)
@@faeleia That's a really good way of putting it. Your right we do have to be very careful when it comes to scripture, but the Chosen really helped me understand and appreciate Jesus more. Before he felt like this non relatable ancient "character" but after watching the Chosen, he feels much more human, and it gives a different outlook when reading through the Gospels...one where Jesus is fully human and fully God. But don't get me wrong I still have conflict with the show.
@@zambie1629 I agree with you. We just need to be discerning with the show as with everything else already. As long as the show is spreading the gospel, that's the most important thing❤
It spreads the gospel and other things mixed in...
Rev 22:18-19 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I never comment on videos, but I completely agree with everything you said in this video and really appreciated your insight. However, one thing that I wanted to add when it comes to Angel Studios being mormon and the fictional elements that are not in the Bible is that, frankly, as you mentioned, the majority of films that are "Christian" are rather corny films. Angel Studios is a distributer of a lot of different films now, some that are not even necessarily "faith-based" but hold to conservative, family-friendly principles that we see disappearing from American culture (I.e. The Sound of Freedom). Unfortunately, to my knowledge, there are not many, if any, strictly Christian studios that could put out anything like The Chosen. While the animation studio is based in South Africa, Angel Studios will also be putting out the animated film "David" in the next year or so. Many Christians have a lot of issues with Disney, and "David" is a film that *should* have all of the good principles that parents want for their kids while having the musical and animation par of a Disney film. However, if you write it off because Mormons are best able to get it to the big screen, you're stuck with Disney. I'm not saying this is true of everyone by any means, but a lot of Christians complain about the state of culture but they don't actually do anything to change it. Additionally, The Chosen is about the chosen being the disciples, not distinctly about Jesus. The fictional elements are there to provide more of an idea of what it meant to be a follower of Jesus. That being said, I also agree that we have to be cautious and realize that this is a tool--not The Truth, not Scripture. Like any other devotional or Christian resource, you can find false theology in just about anything (especially Christian and worship music) because we're still flawed and will never have a complete understanding of Scripture until Heaven. So I believe it does come down to maturity and knowing why you believe what you believe. Someone can say that The Chosen is unbiblical but be living in sin and vice-versa. Anyways, long rant but just wanted to add to the conversation! :) I so appreciate what you do!
I totally agree! Thank you for a balanced perspective. I’m glad you commented this wisdom
Exactly. Not watching something because it was made by a Mormon company but supporting atheist companies like disney and 99% of every other atheist company makes no sense.
Just watch or don't watch a movie based on its own content.
Food for thought (and I 98% agree with you), but the LDS church believes they are Christian and wants to be accepted as such. They could be using various outlets to do that. This topic carries over into homeschool curriculum and communities too. Yes, generally better than Disney. However, if the LDS receives more social affirmation as Christian as a result, it’s a rock and a hard place.
The Gospels really gave us the cliff notes version of Jesus. They even say as much (John 20:30). We can never make any movie or show or _anything_ regarding Jesus’ story _ever_ with what’s only in the Gospels without additions to fill in the gaps of the cliff notes.
I do not have any problems with _The Chosen,_ as all additions are still rooted in Scripture. Yes, even Little James’ conversation. John 9:2-3.
Amen
My favorite added moment is when the disciples are playing board games, joking around, and asking who they think Jesus is.
You know a group of close men in their twenties and thirties would have had fun, joked around, and teased each other.
True but it only applies if Revelation didn't already tell us not to change, subtract, add anything to the word of God.
In the first episode of season 2, Jesus hides a thief, instead of telling him to repent and turn himself in, and come back to his family
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
In one of the last episodes of the chosen, there was a scene where the woman disciples were talking about romantic love and one of them said " love is love". That is pretty much the catchphrase of the gay and lgbtq movement, it definitely caused my discernment meter to go off. Also when the flag controversy happened, all of the actors were defending the gay pride flag.
" love is love". Wow, didn't know that. Another reason! That's why I refuse to watch the Chosen.
I like this Jesus. But that's what's so dangerous. He's not the biblical Jesus. So I really agree with what you're saying in the video.
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Such a well rounded commentary! I watched the first season when it was premiereing on RUclips for free. I can't remember if I saw the whole season or not. It honestly didn't sit well with me. Entertainment blurs the lines of reality and primes the brain to receive ideas/scenarios/lies/deception out of familiarity. The devil is tricky. Just think about how Jesus was tempted in the wilderness by the devil and the devil tried to twist scripture to deceive Jesus. Jesus couldn't be tricked because he knew his word, but unfortunately, most Christians don't. I think of John 1, verse 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. We must be cautious. Blessings brother in Christ.
I tried to watch it but I didn’t like how there was so much not in the Bible and I don’t want a false view of My Lord and Savior❤
I think the problem is when people watch The Chosen and it stops there. As Christians we really need to be discerning with everything we watch, listen to, read, etc. The best example of this is the Bereans in Acts that we're looking through the scriptures to see if what Paul was saying was true. We have to really have this type of heart and discernment with the Chosen just as much as we should with our pastors. We cannot be lazy and not read Scripture and think the Chosen is enough. God calls us to love him with ALL of our heart, soul, and strength, and mind. So this includes using our discernment to really test whatever claims media is making against what Scripture says.
At the end of the day, The Chosen is still entertainment.
You did a good job Isaac, with the grace of God! This video was needed. So thank you
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Great video! Super helpful, will probably share this more as the next season comes out.
It’s not a stumbling block for me but I see how it is for legalists or easily emotionally influenced people. It feels like most people have already made up their minds one way or another. I appreciated the perspective you shared and the attitude you used was not like a clanging symbol. Theology Mom did a really fair evaluation on it too.
I’ve noticed that too usually legalists and fundamentals have issues with this show not emotionally and spiritually mature believers. Voddie Bauchum claims it’s idolatry which is hilarious.
It's a shame Christians lack discernment and cannot see the folly in The Chosen but instead call critics names.
@@justchilling704 yeah very rarely are the criticisms or arguments done in a mature manner. I agree it’s a gray theological topic worth the debate. But it’s sad how fruitless most of the online conversations about The Chosen are because nobody stays calm and listens well to each other.
I agree that criticisms need to be presented in a mature way, but I disagree that The Chosen is a stumbling block for the legalistic or fundamentalists. I think it is more of a stumbling block for new Christians. We need to know the truth in scripture and this show isn’t completely true to scripture, which can cause immature Christians to stumble.
@@lauras6762 Personally I've only seen the show help new believers and non believers want to seek God for themselves.
2 Corinthians 11:1-4
1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
@@justshade0 "to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect."
this is the real point. 100 million people have watched the chosen, and it tells another gospel
Be vigilant Brethren. Protect the Flock. In Jesus's name be Blessed!
I feel like he explained my words on the Chosen better than I could have. I have always been conflicted on the Chosen and I think he perfectly describes my emotions on this.
Idk why its so hard to copy and paste the bible to a movie. Its the only book you'd technically be allowed to plagiarise but people still try to change things 😂
I haven't seen it, historical fiction is cool to me but biblical-historical-fiction seems like something we should avoid
Yes, especially if it's about Jesus, literally the most important Person to ever be in this world.
The chosens goal is to expose Christian and non Christians more to the bible. And it has worked.
Every move has a risk. And the risk is that people may replace the bible with the movies. But here the reward is greater than the risk.
Everything in life has a risk. Choose wisely. I believe the show will create more good than bad. More people are watching and becoming interested in Jesus and the gospel and thats a win❤
The chosen is such a well written and well produced show. I never felt like it was a replacement for the Bible, rather I felt more inspired to read scripture which then lead to me doing further research on the scriptures. This show is not supposed to replace the Bible, it’s just supposed to give us a visual representation of the day to day life during the gospels.
Catholic Doctrine is in fact wholly in alignment with the Bible. Like, completely perfectly.
So is Protestant doctrine. The problem is the outliers such as Priestly celibacy which is not concretely addressed in scripture, or the cult of Mary (on the Catholic side) or Dispensationalism kon the Protestant side).
@@toryquinton2677yeah except there’s ignoring of John 6:29-71, 1 Corinthians 10:15-17, 1 Corinthians 11:17-31, 1 Corinthians 1:17-25, even ignoring the fact that by 325 AD there were 1000 bishops for the council of Nicaea and everyone who wasn’t catholic didn’t believe Jesus had a physical body. There is no Mary worship in the Catholic Church, just a lot of Protestant understandings and deceptions. Really if you want to understand what we actually believe the RUclips channel Catholic Truth really covers a lot and remember Protestants cut 7 books out of the Bible. They were in the Bible’s of all churches except for the kingdom cults(Mormonism, seventh day Adventists, Christian Science churches, and Jehovah’s witnesses) until 1885 AD. There were less than 5000 bibles for a population of 100 million people just in Europe back in 1750 AD and only about 60% of people could read. There’s a lot of clear obvious holes in thinking that the people who’ve studied it the least among all the churches has the best interpretation of it whilst the church that preserved it for 1500 years before people made their own translations(Lutherans) and that new translation they wanted to remove the book of revelations the book of James and several others but moved those books to the back. I feel like there’s really not the slightest idea of Bible history, church history, and even the history of what the original Bible study was. A catechism was present within the early church of almost every big denomination the Lutherans had one, baptists had one, calvinists, Anglicans, the episcopal churches, Church of England had one as well if it’s even a church anymore and not just an institution to keep nationalism strong. Adherence to doctrine is a clear error in practice in western churches which is why there’s build a churches where you can spend $199 for a church building kit and why getting ordained as a minister to marry your brother or sister is this casual purchase. When you divorce meaning from title the significance of time and spiritual reflection that once was important becomes more as an inconvenience and strict rule rather than a faithful pursuit for an ultimate sense of a greater relationship with God with a ton of responsibility attached and discerning whether it’s what God wants you specifically to do and pursuing it for 8+ years through study and sacrifice for God’s glory. Give us this day our daily bread and feed my flock is symbolic to Protestants and I really see a ton of people who are hedonistic and shallow. Hope you don’t fall for the trap forever
I’m sorry, I say this with much love, but it is not…the commandments are not the same as the Bible and there’s no mention of purgatory in the Bible so based on these two things alone it’s not fully aligned with the Bible. I pray God gives you the discernment and to further research these things, God bless you ❤
Also confession with priests is not biblical either as Jesus is who we confess our sins to and ask for atonement ❤
@toryquinton2677 loving Mary doesn't make you a member of a cult. Satan loves those kinds of accusations. Priestly celibacy is not dogmatic, it is a discipline that can be changed. Eastern orthodox churches even allow married priests, they just can't be bishops.
I haven’t seen many episodes. I did see an episode where “Jesus” was getting his disciple’s opinion about what he should say. That was the end for me. Thank you for sharing your pros and cons. 💜
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
I'd be interested if you could find that clip or cite which episode this was? I've only started it, but probably would not continue putting my time into it if there is something like this. Appreciate it!
@@mickyfish536 it is the episode with the sermon on the mount...I think it is the last episode of season 2.
I quit watching at the end of season 1, when the rearranged John 3, to give it different meaning, had Jesus ask Nicodemus to follow Him (never happened), told Nicodemus not to kneel and worship Him (Jesus acknowledged and praised those that recognized Him), and asked Nicodemus what his heart was telling him (we are told the heart is wicked and will lead us astray. Mormons, however, do focus more on the heart and if you "feel" something is right.) JMO, no shade to anyone that continues watching, but I felt compelled to quit after season 1.
@@LyrinLoreweaver Very informative. I would also have an issue with those. Thanks for sharing!
@@LyrinLoreweaver Thank you for all the info. I could not have answered which episode Jesus got disciple’s input. I only watched a few random episodes. Absolutely agree. Jesus would always welcome worship. He is God. Only the angels refused worship.
I’ll say it. I roll my eyes at the romantic subplots of the apostles. They’re all going to get martyred for the cause, why attach them? Especially St Thomas who goes to India and makes SUCH a big impact there. Are they going to make the viewers watch him have to choose his mission over his love life, or are they going to write in the plot of his wife tagging along, taking some historical credit and then get brutally killed? Same for Peter’s wife.
Peter’s marriage is in the Bible
I think you are forgetting that they were regular people and many had families
Well, Simon Peter did have a wife. An accurate portrayal of Peter's life would at minimal acknowledge his wife's existence. An authentic portrayal would explore Peter's marriage beyond the surface level. The reality of following Jesus is relationship-centric - our relationship with God often reflects our relationship with the people in our lives. For that reason, I don't think you can fault The Chosen for placing a heavy focus a on relationships. If the Apostles sacrifice their love lives to follow Jesus or integrate their love lives with their ministries, nothing biblical is loss. Either outcome captures important parts of Christianity.
This is exactly what i think about it! Thanks for going into this important subject!
Thank you for this. I, like you, have been confused about the show. I would take your counsel and follow my conscience. I believe you rightly judged the show, not condemning, yet correcting. God bless you and I pray for more grace and growth in your spiritual walk with God.
The fact that the show has Jesus rehearsing with Matthew for the Sermon on the Mount speech is a big red flag. He's the Son of God and He didn't need advice on how to do it. Also, the fact that Jesus rejected worship from Nicodemus when He was bowing down to Him during the John 3 scene is totally unbiblical and blasphemous. For me, that's reason enough to reject the show. Justin Peters did a video on The Chosen and I highly recommend people watch that.
The idea that Jesus did not rehearse for His sermon is not found in the Bible. It's an assumption borne from dogma rather than Scripture. For me The Chosen has revealed how I've taken for granted what I always assumed about Jesus that was not actually evident in the Bible. Jesus is perfect, but does perfection mean He never tripped and bruise His leg? Does it mean that He never accidentally spill a cup of water? Does it mean He was the best athlete, that He could run 10 km without breaking a sweat? Does it mean He never got sick, not even a cold? These are rhetorical questions to drive the point that we know precious little about Jesus, and even if The Chosen was never made, we still have all this baggage that we need to rethink.
Here's an idea. I'll watch Justin Peter's video on The Chosen, if you read The Bible Artist's blog on The Chosen controversies. How does that sound?
Those are huge red flags! Agree!
I have enough concerns with the Chosen that I wouldn’t watch it personally, but I’m not opposed to a mature Christian watching it with the mindset that it’s a historical fiction, not a scriptural retelling. My bigger concern is when the show is used to present Jesus to new believers or people who are being evangelized. It may be tempting to use the show to introduce someone to the gospel in a way that might seem more emotionally relatable, but I think it’s a mistake to not take people directly to scripture. Even if the chosen is 99% accurate to who Jesus really is, I’d rather present someone with the 100% accurate Jesus found in the Bible!
Totally agree with that message thank you for sharing this I think it’s really important to think and talk about theses topics when it comes to the show!
This video was excellent, and it brought up some very valid things to think about. Thanks and God bless 🙏 keep up the fire for God 🔥
I used to be a very big critic of the chosen over the last year, but in the end the show has had a positive effect on the Kingdom and bringing people closer to God. Their intentions are not to be a replacement for the Bible so people idolizing characters is not their fault. Many Christians criticizing the Chosen will go and watch Netflix/secular shows and have no problem with it.
Just wanted to comment that just because it's "spiritual content" doesn't make it automatically better than anything secular. There are thought provoking secular shows that, witting or unwitting, carry Biblical truths, and there are "Bible" shows that are far more damaging than secular ones, partially BECAUSE they are seen as spiritual and have far more influence and ability to manipulate or deceive. Wolves in sheep's clothing, Satan as an "angel of light", whatever you call it, there are just as many warnings in Scripture about those who portray or teach "Christianity" but the teaching is off. In fact, I would say lies, deception, or even just misguidedness is far more dangerous when mixed with so much truth than is someone watching something with no such claims. Not that I condone the mindless or constant consuming of worldly content, either...
These criticisms are literally addressed in the very first episode of The Chosen.
In the very intro, they say "This is a creative license rooted in the gospels and is no replacement for the gospels. We encourage everyone to read the gospels."
I absolutely love the show! I was a fan first and it has led me to read and understand the Bible more. Then I got to be on the show for 2 seasons so far. It’s a wonderful experience! Several people on the show and on the crew have become believers since being involved with the show. My own mother is in her 80’s and is interested in the Bible for the first time. I feel people who feel convicted not to watch is probably for their own good. But for the rest of us, it’s not a problem.
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
The people saying that this show is making more harm than good are being like the farisees in old times, being prideful of their faith and thinking that they were superiors to others because they followed the law of god, i find the chosen very helpful to leading christians in reading the new testament and living by it, this show is truly inspired by the holy spirit 100%.
so true I think its amazing that this show is bringing people to Christ and planting the seeds for God to grow in peoples hearts and minds. I personally am all for it :)
I think the point about the law of Moses is interesting, but I think it is mostly referring to John chapter 1's introduction to the person of Jesus. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The whole idea of "the Word became flesh" is that Jesus is the embodiment of the Word, or scripture as we know it. You are right, though, as Jesus never directly says what the show does.
Paul’s letter to the Galatians doesn’t leave any room for confusion
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
@@exagemMark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Now do Passion of the Christ.
Yes, also the Bible miniseries and other Christian movies with this same level of objectivity and level-headedness.
Not too many channels review Christian movies to my knowledge.
I have several friends thag watch the show. I pray they stop. Heres why.
The friend I've had the longest, has a picture of Johnathan up and talks more of the Chosen than of Jesus. Her and her husband have Jonathan's picture up above their door.
A friend i fell out with, says she doesn't have time to read the Bible, so she watches the show instead.
Another friend says it brings the scriptures to life. (According to Timothy, its alive and breathing already.)
Another friend references the Chosen almost exclusively.
One takes inspiration from Johnathan, and suggested that my Jesus character and how I represent Jesus be based off Johnathans portrayal. As a writer, I'll write Jesus not like how showrunners do.
For some context on why I'm against the Chosen, from the moment I heard of the show, I felt chilled, as if the Holy Spirit was telling me it's dangerous. I put it off, simoly not watching the show.
Then my friend invited me to watch the Christmas special with her and friends, and wanting to soend time with them, I did.
It focused on Mary almost exclusively. They took out important parts, like when Elizabeth mentions John jumping for joy in her womb, because Jesus is the savior. That didn't sit well with me. Cutting that out, even when they put in Mary seeing Elizabeth, felt calculated.
I know now how right that was. Jesus tells Peter in the show "I will show you a way." Not "I am THE way." He calls himself a way, as if there are other ways.
That night, I prayed. But no matter how hard I pray, I can't change the mind of someone who does not defer to scripture, but instead to a show.
The second commandment is pretty clear, it is not a show we should be watching or admiring or anything like that, it should be something we grieve for breaking the commandments of God. ❤
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
I do kinda understand what you mean.
However, we are made in the Image of God. So I don't think graven images apply here.
Paul showed Yeshua through him. Yet, Paul wasn't a graven image.
We neither bow down to The Chosen and Jonathan Roumie, nor serve him (Exodus 20:5). So IMO there's nothing for God to be "jealous" about. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 suggests something along similar lines.
@@MusicBlik The commandment says OR worship, not and. The other verse deals with meat sacrificed to idols and is an entirely separate theological concept. The commandment has always been understood as not depicting God in any visible way. In addition the character adds to scripture by claiming Christ said things He did not. Even if Christ weren’t being blasphemed by violating the second commandment, the show would be violating the commandment which tells us not to bear false witness (aka saying Christ said things He didn’t).
Watch it if you want, but there’s no way to watch it without violating the Commandments God wants us to obey.
@@JamesBiancoesq1981 It's a *show!* No one is claiming Jesus ACTUALLY SAID these things, they're just acknowledging that He must have said SOME things that aren't recorded (cp. John 20:30, 21:25) and are exploring that gap. A drama about Jane Austen's life that "puts words in her mouth" wouldn't be decried by historians in the same way that The Chosen is being excoriated by certain theologians.
As far as condemning The Chosen as an "Image", would you put every Passion Play ever performed in that same category, along with every painting and sculpture and mosaic of Jesus ever created? Where would you draw the line?
@@MusicBlik The line is clear and in the scripture, no images of God of any kind. God has revealed Himself in Scripture and is clear He does not wish to be depicted in any form. We’re not even given a hint of what Jesus looked like beyond that He was not comely in Isaiah 53:2. Every Word that someone claims Christ spoke, even in dramatic scenes, is a claim that God spoke those words. He did not. You are free to watch the show all you want, but Scripture is clear. If you’re interested, Voddie Baucham has a detailed analysis of this. Exodus 20 is abundantly clear, no images and no false witness.
I've enjoyed it myself, but I notice I worry about watching it. Especially if you don't read much of the bible yourself. The show recommends reading the bible, but then so does every pastor and the bible and surprisingly few Christians do.
I definitely appreciate your opinion. I do like the chosen for what it has done. And it has definitely influenced me, but I pray that God will keep using it for his glory. And it won't be corrupted in any way. Thanks for the video.
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
@@justshade0I guess the Chosen is good since they aren’t showing a false Christ. So far in the series that have declared Jesus to be the Messiah, the Son of God, fully God and fully man, the only way for salvation, the Word, the I Am - God, the first and the last who was in the beginning with God, that He is compassionate and speaks with authority, He has the power to heal, cast out demons, raise the dead, and calm the storm, and that He has the authority to forgive sins. Seems like a very biblically accurate description.
@@annme7638 The actor playing him is a false Christ. And what I mean by that is he ain't Jesus Christ therefore he's a false Christ. And not only that but the show doesn't even stay Biblical. They add things Jesus didn't say and they mix up scenes that have Biblical words yet they don't stick to it.
@@justshade0 What reality do you live in? The guy is an actor! He is playing a role in a tv show, he isn’t going around claiming to BE Christ. He isn’t pretending to do signs or trying to convince people that he is the real Christ or asking them to treat him like that. He isn’t teaching some different gospel. Clearly you don’t understand what that verse really means. It’s a tv show based on a book and as such things like dialogue and scenes get added to be able to change it from one medium to another. Are you aware of John 21:25, where John makes the point that not everything Jesus did was recorded? Anything they have added is plausible and nothing they have done has contradicted the gospel message or the character of Christ. Now if you had been actually watching the series, you would know that they do the Bible scenes pretty accurately and even word for word. As far as moving things around, the gospels themselves don’t have everything in the same order. Each book was written to a different audience, the show is bringing that gospel to a different audience and people are reading the Bible and souls are being saved as a result. People around the world are actually being led to saving faith as a result of the Chosen. Do you have a problem with people being drawn to reading the Bible and being saved? Isn’t that something that we should be doing, actually commanded to do; encouraging people to seek the Lord? God is at the center of this, He has been from the start and He is clearly working through this show. Throwing out a random verse that actually has no relevance to the show, sure isn’t drawing anyone to know the Lord.
@@annme7638 If you love Jesus then why would you watch someone pretending to be Him? Your answer might be because it's preaching the gospel or helping others to the real Jesus. Well it's good people are wanting to read the Bible but truly preaching the Word of God is also recognizing their is only 1 Jesus. And that we shouldn't care to watch someone pretending to be our Lord and Savior.
The Hallow App has commercials too where Mark Wahlberg says he is with “Jesus” but it’s Jonathan Roumie, to me that feels super weird.
Any person who claims to be a Christian and says after watching this TV show "wow, I didn't know this about Jesus" or "wow, I didn't know that about Jesus" and literally change their beliefs gotten from God's word most likely does NOT have the Holy Spirit of God dwelling in them.✌🏼🤟🏼💪🏼🙏🏼
Many people who watched the show did not know jesus or werent even believers.. even in this comment section people have said that the show has helped them to see God as not a tyrant waiting for us to mess up but actually as someone who is compassionate and loving. Your comment is very unfairly judgemental without actually knowing about others' hearts. Can God not use the show to touch peoples hearts?
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The shows portrayal of Jesus is garbage. People are not coming to Christ because of The Chosen. If any have come at all they came despite the effeminate and blasphemous portrayal.
@@SoulHydron we aren't directly discussing the show itself. We are discussing the EVIL AND GODLESS hosts of the View. Yet a supposed Christian declares his love for the show and what they offer. NO CHRISTIAN would praise this program. These people HATE everything God stands for. The show daily spews hate and lies. This show promotes Abortion and gay marriage along with many sinful acts. These people love and support evil doets who destroy people's lives!!!! And again I would bet anything none of them have ever put God and what his word declares first in their lives. I could go on and on about the servants of Satan who host the View. ✌🏼🙏🏼
The one red flag is that they aren't even Christians (some mormon and catholics) and I don't need a depiction of Jesus when it might be too easy to picture the main character when thinking of Jesus.
Catholics are Christians though
I was at a Sunday night service years ago. The guest speaker was fund raising for the 16:07 movie "Jesus'. Another visiting Pastor had a fit because in the movie, the nails were placed in Jesus' wrists and not His palms.
Wait, why? I'm pretty sure the word that was used for "hand" in the Gospels included the wrists. This is consistent with physiology, as the ligaments in the hand would not be strong enough to support the weight bared during crucifixion (meaning, the hand would just rip apart), but the wrist ligaments are strong enough to make crucifixion possible. I could be wrong but this is my understanding.
@@rickyjagodowski69Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
During crucifixions, the nails did go in the wrists because the palms would not have been strong enough to hold the body up. Plus this also was prohecied in scripture: "for these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, 'Not one of His bones shall be broken.'" If the nails had gone through YESHUA'S palms, the bones would most certainly have been broken
i agree with you, this can go either very good OR very bad
Keep our focus on God, read our Bibles and be guided by the Holy Spirit is the only answer
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
I'm also. As I started as a crowdfunder and apologist for the 1st season when it was under attack of the critics (although it already had its flaws), the things got worse and worse to be honest.
The Chosen is basically a personal choice. If you watch it, and it replaces your Bible/visions or dreams. Its not for you. But if you are just moved in spirit, nutured by the show, then it's good entertainment.
I love your videos, but I don’t think it’s charitable to say that not all Catholics are Christians.
I don’t expect you to understand the Catholic faith, but we are deeply Christian, Jesus Christ is the Son of God who was sent to earth as a sacrifice for our sins, and only though him do we have eternal life.
All that you have been told about our faith is a twisted version of what we actually are. Just hear us out, come and see for yourself. Don’t just rely on words or what others think they know about us.
Catholicism is a false religion so naturally not all Catholics are Christians.
No it isn't can you provide reasons for this?@@DefenderoftheCross
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
The Roman Catholic Church teaches many doctrines that are in disagreement with what the Bible declares. These include apostolic succession, worship of saints or Mary, prayer to saints or Mary, the pope/papacy, infant baptism, transubstantiation, plenary indulgences, the sacramental system, and purgatory. While Catholics claim scriptural support for these concepts, none of these teachings have any solid foundation in Scripture. These concepts are based on Catholic tradition, not the Word of God.
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Peace be with you Friend ❤️
The Roman Catholic Church teaches many doctrines that are in disagreement with what the Bible declares. These include apostolic succession, worship of saints or Mary, prayer to saints or Mary, the pope/papacy, infant baptism, transubstantiation, plenary indulgences, the sacramental system, and purgatory. While Catholics claim scriptural support for these concepts, none of these teachings have any solid foundation in Scripture. These concepts are based on Catholic tradition, not the Word of God.
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 First it's important for you to remember that without the Catholic Church tradition you wouldn't have the Bible in the first place.
Secondly what you've essentially done here is mention that the Catholic Church has things that go against YOUR interpretation of Scripture which many other protestants would disagree with.
Apostolic succession is in line with what the Bible teaches. Jesus gives his apostles the authority to forgive sins, to heal, to cast out demons. The mission Jesus entrusted to them to spread the gospel was to last forever until the second coming so the apostles before they died had to appoint bishops as successors to take their place. Christ tells his disciples whoever receives you receives me and likewise the apostles would pass on this message this message to their successors to continue the mission given to them by Christ to spread the gospel.
The rest of this list is honestly full of information that completely misrepresents the Catholic Church
Catholics don't worship Mary or the saints. Catholics ask the saints to intercede on our behalf which means we ask them to pray for us. This is because God is the God of the living not the dead and so we believe that those who have died are alive in Christ and therefore not dead we ask them to pray for us just like you would ask a friend on earth to pray for you.
Transubstantiation is real beyond belief it's baffling to hear protestants who write it off as symbolic when Christ says unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life within you and instituted the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist. On top of that there are Eucharistic Miracles backed up with scientific data that show that Jesus is present in the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist.
Jesus made Simon whom he named Peter the rock of his church and gave him the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever he binds on earth is bound in heaven and whatever he looses on Earth is loosed in heaven. Jesus proclaimed to Peter that the gates of hell would not prevail against his church and to protect his church he sent them the Holy Spirit. The Pope, who is the Bishop of Rome was Peter's successor and just like Peter is the head of the church and the other disciples unite under him.
I recommend reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church so you get a better understanding of what Catholics believe and why rather than repeating straw man claims that are easily refuted by those well read in Catholic theology.
Speaking of changing things from scripture, what does everyone think of the prince of Egypt? I loved it on first viewing and from what I’ve seen everyone has good things to say about it
I guess the question for that is. Does anything in it go against what the Bible says
Let's be fair, Moses and Jesus cannot be compared. Moses is a great prophet, but Jesus is GOD so normally that will be a more controversial thing than The Prince of Egypt.
They made aaron this guy that was upset with Moses and made moses to be the one that talks even though it was aaron that spoke for him
@@Ben94729how about Passion of the Christ? Many of the same issues.
Funny that they paid a promotion for this video is a Hallow ad with Jonathan Roomie talking about three ways to get closer to God including reading your Bible and starting your day with prayer.
Thanks daily disciple I had lots of conflict about the chosen. Better look out next time. 👍
I love the Chosen. After watxhing the chosen, i read the entire New Testament. It really opened the doors for me to this faith after being a hardcore atheist for over a decade
dude, I agree absolutely, I'm scared of watching it for that reason... thanks!!!!
Scared?? LOL
I used to enjoy watching the Chosen. After season 3 though I started getting conflicted about watching the show. I feel like the Holy Spirit was trying to tell me something. I watched Good Fight Ministry talk about the show and they brought up something I could not ignore and now I will not watch the show. They basically deny Jesus without really denying Him. I'm not sure if they knew what they did.
It's in the first season, the scene with Jesus and Nicodemus. Nicodemus bows to Jesus and they write Jesus responding with telling Nicodemus not to bow.
Never in Scripture does Jesus tell someone not to bow to Him. So it was something I couldn't get past after that. I don't know the hearts of the writers so I can't say they personally meant to do that. I'm going to listen to the conviction I got and just not watch it.
God gave Jonathan that power. And just because he plays Jesus, doesn't mean he is.(And it's not right to expect that from him.)Maybe God will use Jonathan Roumie to break the spell of perfection off of the church. Fearing the power behind The Chosen is what leads to idolatry. But when we understand the simplicity of God's love, it makes your worries seem childish. If you are so worried, just pray that God makes you more loving and more like Him. You can't control- and shouldn't try to control - what The Chosen is/becomes. God's bigger than this. And His hand is on Dallas and Jonathan. It's beautiful art. Just let it be.
Thank you, brother
This was very important for me to hear
I've been conflicted about the show since it started and didn't want to watch (although I usually don't watch tv series or movies in general, for the record)
But you make some really good points and good analysis according to Bible
Great content, much needed and appreciated for sure
God bless🙏
This is a lot like what happened with the Hamilton musical. It was so great that it got a lot of people interested in history and captivated by a story and characters that seemed very stale otherwise. BUT Lin took a number of creative liberties, which he has every right to do, it’s just that if you don’t look into the true details you could be taking an incorrect view of events as fact. I’ve also had this problem with kids shows like VeggieTales (which I love, so no shade). They sometimes change things for the understandable sake of making it palatable to children, but then you look at the actual story and you’re like ok that’s actually not at all what really happened. I think the overall lesson here is that we should never take creative adaptations as fact. Just like we shouldn’t take whatever our pastor says on Sunday as end all be all fact. We should always be checking for ourselves against the scriptures and letting that be the final authority.
For VeggieTales it's a show that uses allegories to depict Biblical stories into something children can understand and grasp while the Chosen is a literal representation of Jesus. We should take it very seriously when we do portray Jesus and how He is being portrayed as well.
Ppl also took creative liberties in making a movie about Abraham Lincoln being a vampire slayer, but it doesn't do the real Abraham Lincoln any justice because they're still 2 completely different ppl. A person is not going to learn about the real Christ from a TV show/movie anymore than someone will learn about the real Abraham Lincoln by watching a movie where he slays vampires.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 I like what Isaac said about watching it inspiring you to read the Bible. It brings it to life in a way that makes you want to know more of the full story
I’m an artist myself, and I put a LOT of pray and consideration in my work. I want my art and hands to serve the Lord. And I want Jesus to be spread through out my work. In one of my graphic novels: Torn Veil, it has heavy biblical themes of salvation/redemption for an everyday man in an intense visual allegory. I wanted God to be the main character/ focus of the story. When I illustrate Jesus (or a character that represents him) I try to keep the face vague, disguised or some elements hidden in one way or another. ei; (closed eyes, lighting of shading effects, or if the crucifixion is shown there’s so much blood and mangling of the face it’s hard to distinguish features) all to respect the fact to don’t know exactly what he looked like, but I still want to get his message across. ALSO, if God speaks in my stories, I want to stick with scripture. In him only speaking from scripture. 👍
Indeed, as a fellow artist, it's become clear that Christian fiction is largely uncharted waters, and most Christians do not have a robust theology for critically engaging with art. For that reason, I tend to treat Christian works like The Chosen with some charity. It's not like we have clear instructions in the Bible for creating art (except for Exodus 20:4 which iconoclasts would argue prohibits all art).
People need to go into it knowing it is entertainment. That’s it. As long as they remind themselves they’ll be alright.
Finally a faithful , wise man has been found. God bless you 🙏🏼
Is the possible bad of an action more important then the good? If God were to think this way we all wouldn't exist. Lift your eyes to the things above.
underrated comment
If something is blatantly promoting a false Christ, then yes, it's more important than any good it's supposedly doing.
@theeternalsbeliever1779 What good can come from promoting a false christ? I see none.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 but they aren't promoting a false christ. They want you to turn to the real one, and it's the responsibility of the person watching to understand the spirit of the show
I like that The Chosen has helped so many people connect with and become excited about scripture and faith, and that it portrays scripture in a way that isn't super cheesy or boring to watch. I also am very grateful with The Chosen's portrayal of Matthew for helping me discover that I was autistic. But it bothers me that it deviates from scripture and tradition fairly often.
God is good, all the time. All the time, God is good. God Bless!
I have such a different experience with this. I heard about it at the beginning of last year. That so many Christian's were watching this and so on...so I decided to finally watch it but I was not completely interested. I put it on and only watched the beginning of episode 1, now the weird part is when I watched the passion of the Christ and others I felt God through it but with this series I never felt that. Long story short I never continued watching it and had forgotten about it.
It's funny that you're talking about the chosen rn... I've been watching it lately, and thought that John looked very similar to you 😂
definitely 😂
I searched all over for this comment 😅 the guy looks like the actor John
People really be hating anything 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Ay, I’m not hating… I’m uncomfortable. Tbh scared how much people attach their relationship with God with this show… because that’s what it is… a show
I hate false portrayals of Christ, and i make no apologies for it. I don't accept it from the secular world, and i definitely won't tolerate it from "Christians" either. If you want to be a liberal and accept everything that pretends to be Christian, that's your choice. It is not your right however, to expect everyone else to ignore scripture just because you choose to do so.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Jesus trashed Pharisee's like you.
I share your conflict in these areas, but I also struggle with little moments where Jesus says things like “not too shabby.” Like….. we’re saying 60s phrases now?
rewrite the entire show then
You shared some of my opinions/concerns on the show 😅🥲
TV is all about making sin normal ❤❤❤
The Chosen single handedly brought me back to Jesus. My whole life I always contemplated if God was real (especially in college). For some reason seeing it on screen made it all real to me and everything clicked instantly. I realized this may be because I have always been a visual learner or because the Holy Spirit opened my eyes and heart. Whichever one it was, I’ll take it.
I now am so obsessed with Jesus and am constantly pursuing him in all aspects of my life and have never experience so much peace! God is so good! This may have happened later in my life somehow but I am forever in debt to the Chosen for opening up my eyes and heart to The Lord.
I think people are crazy and take things too far (when you mentioned about people thinking Jonathan Roumie is Jesus) but I imagine The Lord is proud to have reached so many people with the story of Jesus.
Ahh I just love the show so so much and just had to comment. God bless!
God is able to use imperfect shows, made by imperfect people to touch our souls and open our hearts. You are in debt to Him alone.
@@RE-yj9tsMark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Mark 13:21-23 (kjv) And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
I agree about that scene. It’s giving over the impression to millions of people that he may not heal them. I rebuke that spirit of unbelief that comes with watching that scene. I’m pleased that I watched Katie Souza’s ministry which preaches LIFE and with NEW LIFE can literally come new life! 💜
One thing to know about "the law of Moses" is that in Jewish though the law is called the torah (literally law in hebrew) and most importantly refers to the first five books of the Bible as one. In so saying "I am the law of Moses" is not that far of saying "I am the word"
minus all of the Greek understanding (logos) and some of the Aramaic understanding (memra)