What I forgot to mention for the ammunition types is that the size of the magazine doesn't have an effect on the recoil either. When you use a normal Standard Issue mag it will have the same recoil as the Extended version. It might just feel like the recoil is higher because you're shooting more bullets in one go and the recoil adds up for each bullet.
Nice video - Personally I wonder if iron sights or no scope would affect recoil compared to magnification. Probably not but hey, maybe for another video ? Bye.
I would really like to see the effects of the barrel attachments at a longer range for ones the increase or decrease horizontal because that is more appropriate the more distant the target
Thank you, that was exactly the question I was about to ask. I always use the extended mag as soon as it’s unlocked, because I always find myself facings 2-3 guys at a time and running out of ammo mid gunfight otherwise. Great video! Thanks for the insight!
Nice coverage! Really appreciate the effort put into this presentation, and happy to see it confirms some of my suspicions about the feel of different setups. I'm glad we have contributors like you in the 2042 community
Excellent outline. Thankfully we do have a limited amount of weapons, which can make testing a little easier. I'm glad you took the time to check each attachment.
I've been trying to figure out why everyone else seems to be able to control the PKPs recoil so well in videos and now I know it's because I'm using a 4x scope! Thank you for solving this mystery
What an interesting video. I've been stickin to your setupz, which were very close to my old ones, and they sure work. Now, I may change some after watching this video on other weapons that I don't use. I just have my favorites, lol! Very good video and ty for taking the time to make this for us. I also, want your opinion on the new skin for SFAR. There is something about that skin, especially when you turn the ADS. You'll see 😉 Take care and you are awesome 😎
You absolutely floor every other streamer out there. What a service. Just started listening, but I can feel where this is going. Please take all my Battlefield coins💰
Awesome. I use mostly all of your set ups and they really make a difference. You should make a video how to become a better team player or better shooter .
Bravo 👏👏👏 absolutely flawless!!!! I immensely enjoyed this video!! Wonderful work! Every single question I had was answered completely and questions I didn't know were relevant actually were! Earned a instant sub !!!
Great video! I worry less about vertical recoil as I find horizontal harder to control. I'm also curious to see if the effects of the attachments are any different on any of the other classes of weapons, or if they have the same effect across the board.
Thank you Cad. I have run with CM as barrel attatchment and the Cobra as a grip on the PBX-45. I still think the recoil on that gun is hard to control. I'm fighting to level up the PBX-45, but I'm not a friend with that gun. I think I'm not a SMG guy. I like the AR and LMG more.
Thanks for doing this! This confirms alot of what I thought. The recoil reduction isn't really that big a deal. I'll be using hip fire attachments, and different barrel lengths or suppressor. Not worth recoil attachments for me personally.
Very very good video and I really think you explained and compared it as good as possible👍🏾 Just one thing, u mentioned that the long barrel makes the weapon harder to control right. But does it really considering the lower rate of fire? I often feel that the lower rare of firing makes it a little bit easier to control
Awesome work! I assume this is where they have put in some micro-adjustments or stealthy tweaks in the past. I wonder if the attachments actually have different effects per weapon, allowing for weapon balancing, or if they are just programmed with a fixed stat across all weapons (example: Champion Muzzle Break is a 0.85x vertical recoil modifier across all weapons or if it could be set to different numbers per weapon to accomplish balancing without effecting the weapons base stats.)
It seems like not recording the shots as they're taken can mislead the effect each attachment has. If they overlap as the magazine empties the same way, but more of the first shots are more accurate, the different compensators could be better than others. If shots 1-10 are more accurate with the vertical controlled one, but then 11-30 climb just like the others, it would end in almost the same height, but practically it would be more useful, since you typically don't mag dump. This is what it seems like actually happens in practice.
I feel like maybe doing this test a little bit further away from the wall would help emphasize the effects of bloom. Being this close im not sure if bloom is quite as visible as it would be if you were further away.
Great video really enjoy them.. but i was wondering what happens if you stock all recoil attachments to the gun and how it effects them or high power attachments stocked together… like what happens if i place a recoil barrel and then high power bullets that increase recoil do they cancel each other out or do they reduce slightly or increase?
Not sure where else to go for these question but I’m new to battlefield in general. What AR or SMG has the least amount of bloom How are the ways I can reduce bloom other than attachments as a tip for all guns And a very hard one for the smarter people. Why couldn’t COD just remove visual recoil
Is there a weapon that would favour the Arcom over the Champion though? The increase in horizontal recoil from the Champion should make some guns harder to control since horizontal can't really be controlled. I've also been running the AK and SCAR with long barrel and Bravo 3x sight which has been a pleasant surprise with how well they operate at medium ranges. I will have to try on the cobra and LWS grips rather than the BCG on the AK seeing how they perform in this video though.
Can you redo these with the new STNR and the upcoming changes to mags? I tried to run the same test you did, and I found that the STNR and the Cobra have roughly the same pattern while ADS at 6m. However, the STN has a fairly significant tighter pattern while hip firing.
Another important aspect you should have mentioned is which barrels actually hit the enemy instead of flying right through them. Thats the main aspect of choosing attachments on the ps4 version cuz the hit reg is fcking terrible. Like with a bad setup your shots dont deal any damage and youll need 4 times as many bullets to kill a player at a similar range than with a better setup
@@TheCadWoman have you never noticed that some weapons have a slower handling when you move the mouse? The AK doesn't feel as good as the M5 for example. Maybe I should measure (360) the distance for each weapon and see if it's the same....
Your to close while testing the weapons. That’s why the results are so similar. 15m is a better distance to get more accurate results. J God does tests like these for call of duty an he’s one of the devs go to guys when they release new weapons an he usually does the tests at 15m. Good job on this video it’s really well done.
After complaining (again, sorry) about the video quality one remark with respect to the ACTUAL content of the video. ;) I think there were no big surprises and most align with what is stated in the attachment description. In any case, recoil is visible, less 'random' and can be controlled. What I personally find MUCH more difficult to deal with (especially as you cannot really control it with mouse input) is the bullet spread or bloom of the weapon. This is -- at least as far as total accuracy is concerned -- THE important stat. At least for me. A shame that you neglected that part. This, together with the abysmal hitreg that BF2042 currently still has, is what makes the gameplay not fun. Let's hope that Dice will at least be able to fix the hitreg issues. The spread is there by design and in all likelihood is there to stay I'm afraid. One more thing is that the recoil pattern is not fixed, but parts of it are random, so you would have to do the test several times for the SAME combination of barrel/grip/ammo to be sure to not capture any outlier. I guess you did that, but just forgot to mention that in the video.
Sorry to be 'that guy', but I have to complain again about the video quality. And NO, it is not on my end and yes, I am referring to the 1080p version (so YT finished rendering). Not sure what you do wrong, but just check the very beginning of the video, say 10 seconds in. Can you read the names of the enemies (not over their player model and even the 'big' text in the center of the screen, reporting the kill). The content of your video is good, so it's a shame that many people might just skip it entirely because you start of the video off with such a abysmal picture quality.
IMO, if anyone's skipping this content because of some errant video compression, they're missing out. Similarly, if anyone considers that an issue worth skipping this channel over, then the channel's probably better off without them, tbh.
She probably doesn't have a 10k setup with two beast computers, one to play and one to record like most of the big bf content creators. So as a result has to lower the capture quality of obs or whatever in order maintain a decent fps to play with. I'm not sure but I assume that is what is happening.
@@drex128 That is not required to capture gameplay at almost perfect quality. I do that with Gefore Experience with negligible reduction in fps while gaming @4K (can still maintain 100fps at 'very high' bitrate) and I am running an older system with a normal 3080 (non Ti and at stock clocks). The problem here clearly lies in the encoding during rendering before uploading to YT. Or capturing at much lower bitrate to begin with, but that is about settings and there is no 10k or dedicated external capture solution required to do that.
@@damienmcdonald7610 definitely not. Just try to make out the number of tickets left for US team right at the start of the round (the correct answer is 329 btw.) and this is one of the bigger texts on screen. An picture quality is not about being barely able to read some of the text. This is one specific example. I can somehow watch a LotR movie at 480p and I can make out the characters and follow the plot. I would still be right if I call that 'bad PQ'. But I guess you are trolling anyway, right? ;)
What I forgot to mention for the ammunition types is that the size of the magazine doesn't have an effect on the recoil either. When you use a normal Standard Issue mag it will have the same recoil as the Extended version. It might just feel like the recoil is higher because you're shooting more bullets in one go and the recoil adds up for each bullet.
Nice video - Personally I wonder if iron sights or no scope would affect recoil compared to magnification. Probably not but hey, maybe for another video ? Bye.
I would really like to see the effects of the barrel attachments at a longer range for ones the increase or decrease horizontal because that is more appropriate the more distant the target
Thank you, that was exactly the question I was about to ask. I always use the extended mag as soon as it’s unlocked, because I always find myself facings 2-3 guys at a time and running out of ammo mid gunfight otherwise. Great video! Thanks for the insight!
Nice coverage! Really appreciate the effort put into this presentation, and happy to see it confirms some of my suspicions about the feel of different setups. I'm glad we have contributors like you in the 2042 community
Excellent outline. Thankfully we do have a limited amount of weapons, which can make testing a little easier. I'm glad you took the time to check each attachment.
Amazing in-depth video. Thanks for doing the hard-work for us Cad, appreciate it! ❤️
I've been trying to figure out why everyone else seems to be able to control the PKPs recoil so well in videos and now I know it's because I'm using a 4x scope!
Thank you for solving this mystery
Great video! Must have been a lot of work. Thanks for what you do.
Wow! This took a lot of work to produce! Thank you for this kind of content! I love seeing side by side comparisons to understand the game mechanics
What an interesting video. I've been stickin to your setupz, which were very close to my old ones, and they sure work. Now, I may change some after watching this video on other weapons that I don't use. I just have my favorites, lol! Very good video and ty for taking the time to make this for us. I also, want your opinion on the new skin for SFAR. There is something about that skin, especially when you turn the ADS. You'll see 😉
Take care and you are awesome 😎
You absolutely floor every other streamer out there. What a service. Just started listening, but I can feel where this is going. Please take all my Battlefield coins💰
Awesome. I use mostly all of your set ups and they really make a difference. You should make a video how to become a better team player or better shooter .
Excellent video - as always. Really appreciate the time and focus on recoil reduction looking forward to the controller control video. Stay well CW!
Wow thanks for putting this together!
Bravo 👏👏👏 absolutely flawless!!!! I immensely enjoyed this video!! Wonderful work! Every single question I had was answered completely and questions I didn't know were relevant actually were! Earned a instant sub !!!
Great video Cad very thorough and helpful
Besten dank. Habe mit deinen setup Videos schon einige gute Erfahrungen gemacht. Weiter so.
Super duper video , Thanks cad .
Great video! Saved me a ton of time trying to figure this out for myself....thank you!
Awesome guide my playstyle is rush dead rush dead rush dead trying to find a good sweet spot to flank this is spaceship and you are awesome
Thank you for this detailed video and your work.
And 1 like, cus of the amount of time and effort you have pout in this video, it has probably taken a lot lot of your time soo nice work girl
Great video! I worry less about vertical recoil as I find horizontal harder to control. I'm also curious to see if the effects of the attachments are any different on any of the other classes of weapons, or if they have the same effect across the board.
From what I‘ve tested so far the effect is always the same.
Great video, I appreciate you taking the time and breaking down these attachments.
Thank you Cad. I have run with CM as barrel attatchment and the Cobra as a grip on the PBX-45. I still think the recoil on that gun is hard to control. I'm fighting to level up the PBX-45, but I'm not a friend with that gun. I think I'm not a SMG guy. I like the AR and LMG more.
New sub .... really enjoy your videos and all the info . Thank you for taking the time to make your videos.
appreciate all the effort, thank you
you have no idea how glad i am you exist, dice really couldn't had made attachments any more unclear
As a teacher myself. You are an excellent explainer, you won't disappoint any student. GJ
Oh, Thank you! 😃
Thanks for doing this! This confirms alot of what I thought. The recoil reduction isn't really that big a deal. I'll be using hip fire attachments, and different barrel lengths or suppressor. Not worth recoil attachments for me personally.
This channel has some really great informative videos
This type of information is also available at Sym. They have incredibly in depth data on weapon stats.
I would never run attachments that reduce vertical recoil. Its so easy to control. I'd rather use attachments that reduce horizontal recoil.
Sehr aufschlussreiches Video, danke dafür!
Very very good video and I really think you explained and compared it as good as possible👍🏾 Just one thing, u mentioned that the long barrel makes the weapon harder to control right. But does it really considering the lower rate of fire? I often feel that the lower rare of firing makes it a little bit easier to control
Awesome work! I assume this is where they have put in some micro-adjustments or stealthy tweaks in the past. I wonder if the attachments actually have different effects per weapon, allowing for weapon balancing, or if they are just programmed with a fixed stat across all weapons (example: Champion Muzzle Break is a 0.85x vertical recoil modifier across all weapons or if it could be set to different numbers per weapon to accomplish balancing without effecting the weapons base stats.)
Wow you never ever disappointe when it comes to this game your the BAR for this game and its content 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
It seems like not recording the shots as they're taken can mislead the effect each attachment has.
If they overlap as the magazine empties the same way, but more of the first shots are more accurate, the different compensators could be better than others. If shots 1-10 are more accurate with the vertical controlled one, but then 11-30 climb just like the others, it would end in almost the same height, but practically it would be more useful, since you typically don't mag dump.
This is what it seems like actually happens in practice.
I feel like maybe doing this test a little bit further away from the wall would help emphasize the effects of bloom. Being this close im not sure if bloom is quite as visible as it would be if you were further away.
Thank you so much for your content, it's so usefull.
More battle science please!👍👍
Great video really enjoy them.. but i was wondering what happens if you stock all recoil attachments to the gun and how it effects them or high power attachments stocked together… like what happens if i place a recoil barrel and then high power bullets that increase recoil do they cancel each other out or do they reduce slightly or increase?
Can’t wait to see that video about recoil on mouse and controller
Super helpful video!
Is there any way to test accuracy vs recoil?
Not sure where else to go for these question but I’m new to battlefield in general.
What AR or SMG has the least amount of bloom
How are the ways I can reduce bloom other than attachments as a tip for all guns
And a very hard one for the smarter people.
Why couldn’t COD just remove visual recoil
What is accuracy means? It's different form recoil?
Yes, accuracy is how accurate your bullets are when aiming on target and recoil is weapon handling
This is great
Is there a weapon that would favour the Arcom over the Champion though? The increase in horizontal recoil from the Champion should make some guns harder to control since horizontal can't really be controlled.
I've also been running the AK and SCAR with long barrel and Bravo 3x sight which has been a pleasant surprise with how well they operate at medium ranges. I will have to try on the cobra and LWS grips rather than the BCG on the AK seeing how they perform in this video though.
Can u please explain the difference between accuracy and handling?
Can you redo these with the new STNR and the upcoming changes to mags?
I tried to run the same test you did, and I found that the STNR and the Cobra have roughly the same pattern while ADS at 6m. However, the STN has a fairly significant tighter pattern while hip firing.
I‘m gonna do videos about analysing the different attachment types and their behaviour. Those always take a bit of time to do.
Great job, appreciate your efforts, however 6m is to close i think.
I wanna know about hip fire builds
I’m a year late but this is great - Thanks!
Another important aspect you should have mentioned is which barrels actually hit the enemy instead of flying right through them. Thats the main aspect of choosing attachments on the ps4 version cuz the hit reg is fcking terrible. Like with a bad setup your shots dont deal any damage and youll need 4 times as many bullets to kill a player at a similar range than with a better setup
I’ve never had to deal with any hit reg issues on new gen Xbox so far ..honestly that sounds terrible tho
Why didnt you include the extended mag? would be interesting to see if it had any effect. Other than great video :)
Nice
Hello.
Has the short barrel been changed, since this video has been made?
Not officially, no.
biggest issue is the terrible input lag when aiming and different handling speeds!!! only battlefield where my aim is just awful!!!
Different handling speeds?
@@TheCadWoman have you never noticed that some weapons have a slower handling when you move the mouse? The AK doesn't feel as good as the M5 for example. Maybe I should measure (360) the distance for each weapon and see if it's the same....
@@BornInArona Do you have „Uniform Soldier Aiming“ enabled?
@@TheCadWoman yes
I had to laugh so hard when you said "i spent my time shooting at walls" 😄
You're a modern Don Qijote, not fighting windmills but shooting at walls
Your to close while testing the weapons. That’s why the results are so similar. 15m is a better distance to get more accurate results. J God does tests like these for call of duty an he’s one of the devs go to guys when they release new weapons an he usually does the tests at 15m.
Good job on this video it’s really well done.
You should try the grenade launcher attachment see if the heavy weights pulls the recoil down
I did test the grenade launcher and the recoil was actually higher than with the factory barrel. 4:55 in the video.
thx 3>
Any news when the redesigned maps will be released?
We will get Kaleidoscope with the next update in early August. Just did a video about it last week: ruclips.net/video/950SDBKiX-E/видео.html
does "hip fire" mean shooting without zooming in ?
Yes exactly.
Bright 🍬 🌟💗
Can you update this video? I think many changes were introduced since then
Are you from Germany?
Yes
whats the best weapon currently in 2042?
Did a video on this question. 😉
ruclips.net/video/n8leq4EDYGw/видео.html
Doesnt look like the attachments barely make a difference honestly
After complaining (again, sorry) about the video quality one remark with respect to the ACTUAL content of the video. ;)
I think there were no big surprises and most align with what is stated in the attachment description. In any case, recoil is visible, less 'random' and can be controlled. What I personally find MUCH more difficult to deal with (especially as you cannot really control it with mouse input) is the bullet spread or bloom of the weapon. This is -- at least as far as total accuracy is concerned -- THE important stat. At least for me. A shame that you neglected that part. This, together with the abysmal hitreg that BF2042 currently still has, is what makes the gameplay not fun. Let's hope that Dice will at least be able to fix the hitreg issues. The spread is there by design and in all likelihood is there to stay I'm afraid.
One more thing is that the recoil pattern is not fixed, but parts of it are random, so you would have to do the test several times for the SAME combination of barrel/grip/ammo to be sure to not capture any outlier. I guess you did that, but just forgot to mention that in the video.
literally just 5 sec before the video ends i realized that the voiceover is by a woman. i was fkin mind blown
I love u
Sorry to be 'that guy', but I have to complain again about the video quality. And NO, it is not on my end and yes, I am referring to the 1080p version (so YT finished rendering).
Not sure what you do wrong, but just check the very beginning of the video, say 10 seconds in. Can you read the names of the enemies (not over their player model and even the 'big' text in the center of the screen, reporting the kill).
The content of your video is good, so it's a shame that many people might just skip it entirely because you start of the video off with such a abysmal picture quality.
IMO, if anyone's skipping this content because of some errant video compression, they're missing out. Similarly, if anyone considers that an issue worth skipping this channel over, then the channel's probably better off without them, tbh.
She probably doesn't have a 10k setup with two beast computers, one to play and one to record like most of the big bf content creators. So as a result has to lower the capture quality of obs or whatever in order maintain a decent fps to play with. I'm not sure but I assume that is what is happening.
@@drex128 That is not required to capture gameplay at almost perfect quality. I do that with Gefore Experience with negligible reduction in fps while gaming @4K (can still maintain 100fps at 'very high' bitrate) and I am running an older system with a normal 3080 (non Ti and at stock clocks). The problem here clearly lies in the encoding during rendering before uploading to YT. Or capturing at much lower bitrate to begin with, but that is about settings and there is no 10k or dedicated external capture solution required to do that.
Strange, watching on my phone at work on 720p to save data I can read everything
@@damienmcdonald7610 definitely not. Just try to make out the number of tickets left for US team right at the start of the round (the correct answer is 329 btw.) and this is one of the bigger texts on screen.
An picture quality is not about being barely able to read some of the text. This is one specific example. I can somehow watch a LotR movie at 480p and I can make out the characters and follow the plot. I would still be right if I call that 'bad PQ'.
But I guess you are trolling anyway, right? ;)