I’ve restored a few cars and pickup trucks, the effort and dedication your crew put in this is inspiring and honorable! Congratulations on a spectacular job! The narration on this video is commendable!
You guys are doing an awesome job.... Wish I lived on that end of the country - I've restored antique fire trucks as a hobby and would LOVE to get my hands dirty on something like this.
Thanks for the comment. If you do get in this area, would you mind bringing about $500,000 with you? We'd appreciate it! We could use the extra hand as well.
Unfortunately all work has stopped on the restoration of 223. The State of Utah owns the locomotive and plans for the 223 are in a state of flux right now. Either the locomotive will be a static display in a museum or be restored to operational status. A final decision does not seem to be forthcoming in the near future.
Lee Witten oh no. They just don’t know realize how important these engines are. They all should be restored. I’ll pray they will rebuild it. Thanks again great video 👍👍🇺🇸
I got to work with these fine people back in 2015 and 16 on the 223. In fact those two guys at 1:40 were friends of mine while I was in Utah. It's a shame restoration has been suspended.
Amazing work! I wish I lived in your area so that I could help (in whatever small way I'm able). I really hope you're able to get funding to continue the project.
Hi, now I know what you are trying to achieve. I hope you reach a satisfactory outcome, having come this far, it would be a real shame not to finish the job.
@@LeeWitten Yeah... I think I heard a bit about it. I was hoping that was over, but I'm holding out that it will be resolved. On the bright side, I love y'all's work so far. It's looking very good.
@@bluefoxy6478 Ogden City is negotiating with the State of Utah over ownership of the 223. All work has ceased since last year. There is no indication of how long this will continue. Our group is trying to convince the State to donate the 223 to the Cumbres and Toltec to complete its restoration to operational status and run the train on their narrow gauge railroad which was our goal. there's no narrow gauge in Utah so it would be pointless to restore it fully here. We have gone as far as we can go with it.
Hayden, thanks for pointing out that poor title I had. It was the name of the video file I uploaded and I never thought about changing it. But I took your suggestion and its now a more appropriate title.
Are you going to be able to get a riveted boiler certified? I was involved with the restoration of a Portor Locomotive and we had to have a new welded boiler fabricated as the state inspectors wouldn't let us steam the riveted boiler over 1 bar after repair. From the video your shell looks to have more erosion than ours did.
Right now its anyone's guess. We've been concentrating on getting the running gear dismantles and refurbished and putting off the boiler work until we find some source of funds. We have a grant writer working on that situation right now. Hope it bears some fruit.
Take it for what it's worth but as for somebody who has been there check with your state boiler inspector before investing any money in that old boiler. If you need to have a new boiler built finding a shop who can replicate a fire tube boiler is a bit of a challenge. The shop that built ours has "retired". I know the Grand Canyon Scenic had a boiler similar to yours, probably a bit larger fabricated for one of their locomotives. Might want to contact them to see who did theirs.
Is the 1912 Klondike #4 2-6-2 also a riveted boiler? It's hard to tell from the pictures, but it looks very similar to the one on this engine to me. If so, the Wasatch Railroad Contractors repair shop in Cheyenne, Wy I believe just overhauled that boiler for the Como operation.
Thank you. Since the donation is over $50 you are eligible to receive a free artist's print of the 223. Go here to see what it looks like. If you want one, contact our Treasurer, Maurice Greeson and tell him where you donated to the 223 and give him your mailing information. His email is: mckay3d@gmail.com
That locomotive sure looked good during its operating days, and I can’t wait to see it run again. Although, is the restoration still postponed until further notice?
The lawyers for the State of Utah and Salt Lake City are discussing how they could justify giving the locomotive to Cumbres and Toltec to finish restoration. So there's still hope but who knows when they'll ever make a decision.
@Lee Witten I certainly hope a deal can be reached to further restore that nice little locomotive. But since its reality, things take a very long time to continue.
Are the Shops still open for visitors? And if so, what times are they open? And do you by any chance know of someone or someplace that can teach you on steam locomotive restoration?
@@RocketStephen618 The State is thinking about building a new museum near the state capitol and making the 223 a static "mummified" display. It seems that they are a couple of years from any firm decision.
@@LeeWitten I have one more question, can you go behind the station and go to the 223s boiler, the rotary snowplow and the Crane? I really would love to go see the 223s boiler up close but I'm not sure if the public is allowed back there.
@@zacharybecker9635 I'm joking of course. Its frustrating that we can't move faster but right now we're at a point were we need major contributions of money to get the drive wheels, frame and boiler refurbished. We don't have the shop facilities or tools to do that work.
Thanks, Lee, for sharing the arduous restoration progress of this classic Baldwin 2-8-0 Narrow Gauge Locomotive. The Golden Spike Chapter has its work cut out. Was that your voice in the narration? Do you recall that not too long ago I told you about another fellow Utahn named Dale who also loves trains? He and his wife Karyn just posted a new video on his "Toy Man Television" RUclips channel about Union Pacific's current restoration efforts on the biggest steam locomotive ever built: the 4-8-8-4 Big Boy. He has captured some outstanding footage of the restoration progress going on now inside UP's Cheyenne shops. I thought that you, as a fellow railroad history aficionado, also would appreciate seeing this restoration progess video, so here's the RUclips link for it: ruclips.net/video/DYps9lYmSlA/видео.html Again, thanks for all you do in sharing invaluable railroading heritage information on your channel. -from Tom Pilling
Yes, Tom, that was my voice for what its worth! Hah! Thanks for the link to the Toy Man video. I didn't get to Cheyenne this year for the model train show. My Hostler club pulled out of it and I wasn't up for the long drive. Nice to see their progress with the Big Boy. Our "little boy" 223 is in about the same state right now but they have much more money and shop facilities to get their job done faster.
I hear you, Lee. Maybe your new grant writer can appeal to Union Pacific's corporate philanthropy on the grounds that supporting your DRG&W locomotive restoration project would be tantamount to supporting UP's own heritage since DRG&W represents one of the great fallen flags absorbed into UP's mighty shield. Just a thought... -from Tom Pilling
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I’ve restored a few cars and pickup trucks, the effort and dedication your crew put in this is inspiring and honorable! Congratulations on a spectacular job! The narration on this video is commendable!
Thanks, I appreciate your comment. Wish we could have been able to finish the project.
D&RGW 223 is another great steam locomotive. I would love to see it operating again.
Hooray to all those businesses that donated their time towards the project!
Now to find someone with deep pockets to help us finish the project.
Thank You Sir for time well spent. I live in Reno. I think I'll head up that way next summer. It's gonna be a Rail road Road Trip.
If you're in Ogden on a Saturday, stop by the 223 shop at the Union Station. Visitors are welcome!
Welcome Back, Other Steam Locomotive. :-D
You guys are doing an awesome job.... Wish I lived on that end of the country - I've restored antique fire trucks as a hobby and would LOVE to get my hands dirty on something like this.
Thanks for the comment. If you do get in this area, would you mind bringing about $500,000 with you? We'd appreciate it! We could use the extra hand as well.
This is great to see. It was really sad to see 223 and 618 rotting away for so long in SLC parks.
That must be awesome to work on a steam engine. Great work. 👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Unfortunately all work has stopped on the restoration of 223. The State of Utah owns the locomotive and plans for the 223 are in a state of flux right now. Either the locomotive will be a static display in a museum or be restored to operational status. A final decision does not seem to be forthcoming in the near future.
Lee Witten oh no. They just don’t know realize how important these engines are. They all should be restored. I’ll pray they will rebuild it. Thanks again great video 👍👍🇺🇸
I got to work with these fine people back in 2015 and 16 on the 223. In fact those two guys at 1:40 were friends of mine while I was in Utah. It's a shame restoration has been suspended.
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My great grandfather was a steam locomotive engineer for the Great Northern Railway out of Whitefish Montana.
Amazing work! I wish I lived in your area so that I could help (in whatever small way I'm able). I really hope you're able to get funding to continue the project.
This is Awesome
Nice presentation. Well done!
Thank you, appreciate the comment.
I really hope that they can get the restoration finished! It's not fair that they are bared from the building right now...
That is Awesome and i do enjoy the Narrow Gauge Steam line engines and Logging Engines ..
I LOVE IT A LOT :-D
Great slides and narration.
- Balerio
Thanks. I don't like the sound of my own voice. Wish I could have hired a professional actor.
Hi, now I know what you are trying to achieve. I hope you reach a satisfactory outcome, having come this far, it would be a real shame not to finish the job.
I've been wondering what's been going on with the current progress of the locomotive. Is everything going well?
No it isn't. There's a stalemate between our organization, the City of Ogden And the State Historical Division. All work ceased a year ago.
@@LeeWitten Yeah... I think I heard a bit about it. I was hoping that was over, but I'm holding out that it will be resolved. On the bright side, I love y'all's work so far. It's looking very good.
When do you think it would be over and you could continue? If you need funds, why not set up a go fund me page or have you done that already?
@@bluefoxy6478 Ogden City is negotiating with the State of Utah over ownership of the 223. All work has ceased since last year. There is no indication of how long this will continue. Our group is trying to convince the State to donate the 223 to the Cumbres and Toltec to complete its restoration to operational status and run the train on their narrow gauge railroad which was our goal. there's no narrow gauge in Utah so it would be pointless to restore it fully here. We have gone as far as we can go with it.
@@LeeWitten alright, good luck with your project. Your gona need it considering the circumstances.
Great video! Wish I could participate! may want to name the title on this video though something more official like "D&RGW 223 Restoration Progress"
Hayden, thanks for pointing out that poor title I had. It was the name of the video file I uploaded and I never thought about changing it. But I took your suggestion and its now a more appropriate title.
Rio Grande Narrow Gauge locomotive 223.
interesting project for rustaholics. lots of work and skinned knuckles. good luck with the project and thanks for showing. Builder was a Baldwin?
Baldwin design but built by Grant Locomotive works due to work overload at Baldwin.
Is D&RGW # 223 is the only C-16 locomotive that exist today?
There is #268 on display in Gunnison Colorado. I think that is a C-16. Google it and you can find photos.
This is righteous work being done. The time has come to wage a holy war against the diesel locomotive Saracen scum. Non Nobis Domine Ave Maria.
Why did I hear the Drama Alert intro? Anyway, this is amazing.
You didn't like the "Drama Alert" intro? Sorry, it was an artistic decision by the film maker to have some sort of musical introduction.
No, I like the sound of it, just I was a little shocked to hear it. I'd love to help with this project, but I'm only 13 and in New York.
Are you going to be able to get a riveted boiler certified? I was involved with the restoration of a Portor Locomotive and we had to have a new welded boiler fabricated as the state inspectors wouldn't let us steam the riveted boiler over 1 bar after repair. From the video your shell looks to have more erosion than ours did.
Right now its anyone's guess. We've been concentrating on getting the running gear dismantles and refurbished and putting off the boiler work until we find some source of funds. We have a grant writer working on that situation right now. Hope it bears some fruit.
Take it for what it's worth but as for somebody who has been there check with your state boiler inspector before investing any money in that old boiler. If you need to have a new boiler built finding a shop who can replicate a fire tube boiler is a bit of a challenge. The shop that built ours has "retired". I know the Grand Canyon Scenic had a boiler similar to yours, probably a bit larger fabricated for one of their locomotives. Might want to contact them to see who did theirs.
Is the 1912 Klondike #4 2-6-2 also a riveted boiler? It's hard to tell from the pictures, but it looks very similar to the one on this engine to me. If so, the Wasatch Railroad Contractors repair shop in Cheyenne, Wy I believe just overhauled that boiler for the Como operation.
There was no arc or gas welding suitable to boilers at the time so the most likely answer is it was riveted (unless the boiler is a newer retrofit).
do you when 223 will be ready to run?
Wat?
At about 15:00 I noticed that the center 2 drivers have no flanges, something I didn't know. Similar to model steam engines?
Yes, that allows the locomotive to take sharp curves on mountain rails. Same function as on model locos.
I donated 115 dollars to restore 223.
Thank you. Since the donation is over $50 you are eligible to receive a free artist's print of the 223. Go here to see what it looks like. If you want one, contact our Treasurer, Maurice Greeson and tell him where you donated to the 223 and give him your mailing information. His email is: mckay3d@gmail.com
That locomotive sure looked good during its operating days, and I can’t wait to see it run again. Although, is the restoration still postponed until further notice?
The lawyers for the State of Utah and Salt Lake City are discussing how they could justify giving the locomotive to Cumbres and Toltec to finish restoration. So there's still hope but who knows when they'll ever make a decision.
@Lee Witten I certainly hope a deal can be reached to further restore that nice little locomotive. But since its reality, things take a very long time to continue.
@Lee Witten Were you one of the volunteers working to restore the locomotive?
@@AlikStansberry Yes I was involved with it for 20 plus years.
@Lee Witten that is impressive! I wonder if you’ll return to helping as a volunteer if offered.
When are they going to be done with the restoration with the 223?
Not too long after someone donates a million bucks to the project. Otherwise it is indefinite and perhaps never.
Also when ever the current situation with Ogden and Utah has been delt with. Tho i must ask, when its running again, were will it run?
Are the Shops still open for visitors? And if so, what times are they open? And do you by any chance know of someone or someplace that can teach you on steam locomotive restoration?
Sorry due to a conflict with Ogden City, the shops are closed indefinitely.
@@LeeWitten Do you know if they will come to an agreement?
@@RocketStephen618 The State is thinking about building a new museum near the state capitol and making the 223 a static "mummified" display. It seems that they are a couple of years from any firm decision.
@@LeeWitten Ok, Thanks for telling me what you know about the situation. I hope you have a nice day!
@@LeeWitten I have one more question, can you go behind the station and go to the 223s boiler, the rotary snowplow and the Crane? I really would love to go see the 223s boiler up close but I'm not sure if the public is allowed back there.
This locomotive still isn’t operable yet!!
Wanna come and help us??
Lee Witten I wish I could but I don’t know how
But I’m sure the 223 is close to a breakthrough
@@zacharybecker9635 I'm joking of course. Its frustrating that we can't move faster but right now we're at a point were we need major contributions of money to get the drive wheels, frame and boiler refurbished. We don't have the shop facilities or tools to do that work.
I guess 223 was too late for the 150 anniversary of the driving of the golden spike
Thanks, Lee, for sharing the arduous restoration progress of this classic Baldwin 2-8-0 Narrow Gauge Locomotive. The Golden Spike Chapter has its work cut out. Was that your voice in the narration?
Do you recall that not too long ago I told you about another fellow Utahn named Dale who also loves trains? He and his wife Karyn just posted a new video on his "Toy Man Television" RUclips channel about Union Pacific's current restoration efforts on the biggest steam locomotive ever built: the 4-8-8-4 Big Boy.
He has captured some outstanding footage of the restoration progress going on now inside UP's Cheyenne shops. I thought that you, as a fellow railroad history aficionado, also would appreciate seeing this restoration progess video, so here's the RUclips link for it: ruclips.net/video/DYps9lYmSlA/видео.html
Again, thanks for all you do in sharing invaluable railroading heritage information on your channel.
-from Tom Pilling
Yes, Tom, that was my voice for what its worth! Hah! Thanks for the link to the Toy Man video. I didn't get to Cheyenne this year for the model train show. My Hostler club pulled out of it and I wasn't up for the long drive. Nice to see their progress with the Big Boy. Our "little boy" 223 is in about the same state right now but they have much more money and shop facilities to get their job done faster.
I hear you, Lee. Maybe your new grant writer can appeal to Union Pacific's corporate philanthropy on the grounds that supporting your DRG&W locomotive restoration project would be tantamount to supporting UP's own heritage since DRG&W represents one of the great fallen flags absorbed into UP's mighty shield.
Just a thought...
-from Tom Pilling
Its kinda funny how small this thing is
Is there a website we can go to ?
Any news?
A proposal is being prepared to ask the State of Utah to release the 223 to Cumbres and Toltec for restoration.
That engine needed a WD40 bath.
Liquid Wrench vats to soak her in. The raw love and passion is overwhelming and awesome! Kudos and Shoutouts! 223 will roll again!
Do you need to keep destroying this locomotive.
I mean they need keep to restoring this locomotive.