Narrated D&D Story: How A DM & His PCs Ruined My First Attempt At DnD
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DM: “Samurai princess will take offence to anyone of lowly station speaking to her directly, an action worthy of a death penalty.”
Also DM: “Why won’t my players strike a conversation with her?!”
oh yeah like killing someone in the street of Waterdeep no matter the reasons will go well with the city guards which as far as i can tell are the D&D equivalent of Elder Scrolls guards...they may not see you go into the house skillfully steal that fork by accident but they know you did it anyway.
Best counter ever, divination wizard, dominate person/gias/command. Portent so they auto fail then make them strip naked and bark like a dog before you walk away with their weapons before the spell ends.
Also DM: Wouldn't let a paladin use weapons paladins are proficient in.
Reminds me of interactions between a certain scifi princess and a certain smuggler...
Don't forget, "No, she's totally balanced; she just got lucky," followed by, "She's the chosen of Mystra; OF COURSE she's overpowered."
“Please talk to my character”
“Ok”
“Don’t talk to me, peasant!”
“Ok”
I am 95% sure I know the DM and his wife. My roommate sent me this video today because he actually played in a game run by a husband and wife DM and he told me this exact same story about the Chosen of Mystra/Gold dragon DMPC bullshit months ago when it happened. Either these are extroadinarily similar stories or I have had the displeasure of knowing them both personally. I don't care to air out additional dirty laundry, but I can express that their table was a very uncomfortable one to sit at and removing them from our other game got rid of a hell of a lot of stress.
Please confirm this and give us more!
i hope his wife divorced him and moved on. "shes not good at it, so i took over/ am continuing to DM" sounds like a relationshitshow. did anyone offer that prick a mirror? fuck him, and the jackass he rode in on.
Sounds like you have a story to submit to r/rpghorrorstories.
Wow, sounds like they never learned either.
The original poster got Her comment pinned on. Maybe you could make some confirmation with Her?
DM: you can't use a sword, you might make your god angry
Also DM: hey accept this murderhobo Op DMPC in your party!
thats the thing though, Ilmatar is a diety of mercy and suffering or something close to, he preaches that you shouldnt kill but is also one to free the tortured and brutally destroy the torturers if he decides to intervene. Im positive that such a god can overlook their paladins killing undead or killing dragons to stop the suffering of hundreds of innocents XD
Few gods, if any, outright forbid killing. Ilmatar does have specific Clerics who are forbidden to kill but they not only wear specific clothing BUT they are meant to provide healing to anyone who needs it friend or foe (and honestly if THAT specific cleric under Ilmatar killed someone... I'd probably fall them).
But outside of that, Ilmatar isn't against self-defense and has done so himself. Yet honestly if the DM thought the god worked like that, why the WORLD did he build the Paladin in such a way as to be antagonistic towards that goal?
(party strikes jedi poses)
OP: surrender or face the consequences of murder!
mayor: actually they are okay. It is considered an offence punishable by death for someone of low class to speak with her-
the party: ruclips.net/video/D-c0bFbVVtM/видео.html
I quickly read up on it to see just how wrong the DM is. Turns out, killing when it’s necessary wouldn’t make a paladin of Ilmatar lose their favour, but not standing up to the princess slaughtering that commoner most certainly would.
Good thing that the DMs friends also confronted him about his bad DMing. I really hope OP and her hubby got some better experiences.
Was a She the DM
@@Zeromegas the OP was not the DM. She was the player of the Paladin.
@@Vargavinter83 What a mean was The DM is "she" too, not a "he" or whatever wants to identify.
@@Zeromegas the DM was the husband of the husband/ wife pair. wife wanted to DM, but her husband felt she was "bad" at it so he was doing it until she was "better" at it.
the character (PCs) played by the DM were both gendered female.
@@OopzyDayzy There were two married couples. OP and husband were player. The DM and DM's wife were another two.
I feel like the biggest issue in DMPC horror stories is that the DMs in them seem to always use homebrew race/class and make the DMPC ridiculously powerful. In this story it was the Chosen of Mystra. Protip: If you're gonna make an escort mission, MAYBE don't make the NPC (or DMPC) the DnD equivalent of a laser guided ballistic missile. Your players will quickly lose interest when it becomes clear that the person they are escorting could easily just go to their destination their own damn selves. Since apparently a DRAGON is no match for them in a 1v1.
"homebrew" seems to be the culprit of many bad DM stories. Not that it can't be done, but it does take experience and skill to make an unbiased, fair, and balanced homebrew anything.
@@craigtucker1290 I think homebrews should add and not restrict or complicating the game any further.
And putting wanna-be-OP-self-inserts as DMPCs screams for a horrible time and a clear sign that the DM has big personality problems.
Im working on a homebrew-campaign but i never want the campaign to break out as a "revolutionary new Lord of the rings like masterpiece " -story. Just a cool setting and cool adventures that the player can play and interact how they want.
And DMs must learn that DND is about the "We have fun"-part and not succumb to the " I have Fun "-disaster.
@@craigtucker1290 Oh I had a good one. Had a DM try an "unlimited" campaign. Lvl 8 start point for PCs. Our only instruction was "Run wild with creation". I homebrewed a PC who was a sentient medium sized Adamantine Golem. Bear in mind I followed the custom race rules for P1e. So the only traits from an actual Adamantine Golem that she kept were the Indestructible and Fast Healing traits plus standard construct immunities.
DM found out why you don't give players free reign like that REAL quick. My PC wasn't even the worst. My buddy who is a complete rules abuser made a half vampire Dragonborn that had 48AC at level 8 and had a Vorpal reach weapon that crit on 15-20 (that the DM GAVE HIM). The DM gave up after first session. Just about nothing could hit my buddies Dragonborn creation and my PC couldn't die unless brought below 0 by very specific weapons/spells. So he either had to TPK us or else we came into the next fight at 100% health WITHOUT using magic or healing potions.
High point was the final boss before DM gave up. It was an adult dragon. Took my golem PC to -50HP in one hit so I was out of the game until fast healing brought me back up. Buddies Dragonborn vampire PC walks up, rolls a 17 to hit, a 20 to confirm, and beheads the dragon turn one.
@@Donut0389 That is an awesome story of homebrew absurdity in all its glory and the best part is that the DM gave the player that vorpal weapon.
Just awesome!
@@Snyperwolf91 Homebrew can be done, but it takes a really good DM to keep it all balanced and plausible within the campaign world.
But you have to be very careful about adding homebrew options otherwise you get flying anthropomorphized wolf things because someone in your group has a furry fetish.
You can tell the DM got his storytelling start writing Mary Sue fanfics.
And just think, between him and his wife, HE's the good DM...
@@Reyn_Roadstorm That's what I was thinking.
"Oh, my wife wants to DM and isn't very good yet, so I'm running it for her until she improves."
Clearly you have to improve quite a bit yourself.
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I do believe I'll be looking forward to hearing more about this :D
A Chosen of Mystra *and* an adult gold dragon? I'd bet anything she's also got an 18+ CHA and is an absolute knockout, because that's how these types of things tend to go. Good grief.
...and then he pretty much introduces another one at the end. Just... yikes. I'm happy the OP got out of that massive shitshow. Hopefully she can find herself a better group, one with a GM who actually knows what they're doing.
I don't remember those details, but I do remember her being very "kawai."
@@PrimalDelilah ...I'm fairly certain it was the second coming of Craig, then. Just... the kawaii magic princess, then I guarantee you his samurai princess was tsundere as all hell... she was going to find someone to unfreeze her heart, and the whole party was going to play second bananas to a bad anime storyline.
Waiiit.... Wasn't Elminster the Chosen of Mystra? Can she have multiple "chosen ones"?
dude just saying 18 in a stat in pathfinder is not that much you get a +4 that it at level 1 it can easily be done at level 10 if one of your stats didn t reach at least 24 /26 if your lucky on your d4 for stats at each 4 level . So 18 is not that much . I know that in 5e it a other story but still the game is more friendly for newcomers. As for pathfinder is more for advance player only since it much harder to learn all the mecanic etc
TheHalogen131 The Seven Sisters were all also Chosen of Mystra.
DM's PC....
A chosen vessel....
"Your destiny is with our party...."
"A quest to slay a dragon...."
"You should aid us...."
I've never seen that many red flags in that little time.
It's extremely suspicious even for DnD world.
DM should have rolled a persuasion check.
And I don't even know if nat 20 could have helped.
Especially in Pathfinder.
Yep, that's pretty much as bad a collection of flags as saying that you have something to that you have something to tell the person you're talking to (specifically your crush) when you get back from this battle, saying that everything will be okay, because you'll be brave this time around, and that you can't wait for the war to be over so you can get back home to see your young sister who you were looking after, immediately after having a conversation about what you wanted to do in the future. All while wearing a red shirt.
Wait im somewhat confused here. Imo telling a paladin that their destiny is X would require them to consult their deity for some kind of a sign but is ultimately simpler than "ah yes the 6 of you complete strangers happened to be in the same tavern and all wanted the same quest on this board so aha! a party is formed!" If their destiny is confirmed then i highly doubt most paladins would say no to helping them.. whats so bad about slaying a dragon exactly? The chosen vessel is an iffy one. we have a player who had a home brewed background (nothing crazy just an amnesiac mainly because they were super stuck on making a background lol) and its been revealed that they are a chosen of Pelor who they were already serving. No new powers or anything just the knowledge that Pelor has high hopes for them..
@@masterreaper115 it was the DMPC who said it was the paladin's destiny to join the party though.
@@theapexsurvivor9538 yes a chosen one of some diety. So if it were my paladin the would ask for a sign from their god/enter prayer to see if they could give them any hint of if it truly was their destiny. A kid tells you an answer the a math question is 17 so you ask your teacher if they are right, pretty much
she really was a follower of illmatar enduring all that suffering through a very bad game made by a terrible dm phew
Right? Forcing the Paladin to do nothing but slap people, had a blacksmith refuse to work on armor and claiming the PC was a fake follower was nothing but BS.
I ran a dm npc when I dm'd for two friends since it was 4E and I was completely new to d&d and I was struggling to balance our combats with so few of us. But my character was the same level as my friends and a utility defender. I knew the point was to help my players shine and try to plug the gaps in the party composition. Otherwise I kept my trap shut and let them lead, since it was their story. I don't understand why these dms think making their character insert a demigod would be fun for anyone. It's supposed to be collaborative story telling, keep those characters to bad fan fiction.
My brother was like you. It was just the two of us so he almost always played a character in the party. He never dominated the plot. I guess I just didn't realize how lucky I was to have such a good DM. Good for you. I hope you keep DMing.
Same here, we are all new to DnD but I have more experience than the party so I made my DMPC a Life Cleric and pretty much just sling heals when they need it. I have had one roleplay plot point where they kind of got stuck/were going to murderhobo the key plot NPC and I had to step in to make sure I wouldnt have to rewrite an entire premade Wizards module.
@@thomashoffman8916 The call to murderhobo is strong and must be fought. Whacky shenanigans yes, slaughtering everyone because you can no. P.S. Has anyone else run into the problem of new players being completely on board with torturing? I've had three groups now were investigating/interrogating went super dark almost instantly.
@@ts25679 yes actually, but the people I DM for are all ex military so they get some pretty dark ideas. Everyone is Chaotic Neutral at best and I actually have two Chaotic Evil characters in the campaign. I am a Lawful Good Cleric so thankfully I can usually insert myself between them, and I did stat roll system and rngesus smiled upon me during those rolls so even if it came down to a pop situation I'd be fine, though I will avoid that at all costs. Though they did get their wish and they murder hoboed a bandit camp that was supposed to be a stealth mission.....so...much....fire
That DM was all about his characters and how awesome his characters are. A chosen of Mystra? A samurai princess in Waterdeep? Sounds like this DM has access to an improbability drive.
Also, not sure where this DM got the idea a paladin of Ilmater cannot deal lethal damage or wield a sword as far as that faith is concerned as it is not a pacifist faith. If the DM is going to house rule such significant changes and limitations to a PC, they should state up front what they have done so the player can make an informed choice and not waste their time.
Isnt ilmatar just against needless violence essentially?
@@masterreaper115 Eldath's faith is the pacifist faith that does not seek to harm anyone. Ilmater is not a non-violent god nor is it a non-violent faith though some of the faithful are more focused on healing the injured and curing the sick while others try to remove the cause of such suffering. Paladins would be seeking to end injustice and the suffering of the masses from those that are inflict such things, whether it be from despotic rulers, roving bands of goblinoids, or some other threat as these are part of Ilamter's doctrine. Needless violence tends to violate most good alignments and especially the lawful good alignment of a paladin. But then again, what is your definition of needless violence?
A paladin that defeats an opponent is not needless violence, if by doing so they will prevent the suffering of others.
wait a minute isn't a paladin a holy KNIGHT??? how do you expect a soldier to not fight anyone?
also what is with the DMPCs? I don't think a party wants to be around Jesus and I hope that samuri ended up getting blown up or something because OUT OF NOWHERE MURDER IS NEVER LEGAL
I like the video picture.
"Hey you. I got a bone to pick with you" (punches)
No pun intended, ofcourse
Thank you! I work very hard to create all the thumbnails :D
@@cjdd8184 I never got a chance to tell you, but your work on Onyxia's thumbnails was excellent. :)
Symbol of Ilmater as well.
UNDEAD FEEL NO PAIN. *punch*
@@sinlesssoul aw thank you! It's always easier when I enjoy the stories and those ones were so sweet.
When I heard "DMPC" I already had a bad feeling about where this was going. Then I heard "Chosen". Yup, confirmed.
sounds like the DM had some very traditional ideas on paladins but even real-life monks invented the mace so they could avoid their oath to not shed blood and You can do some pretty non-leathel stuff with a bow a mace or a quarterstaff. Also why even let them fight the boss if you are going to Daus Ex Machina every one. After this happening two time the player's characters should have said to the DMpc "Your the chosen one and since you can easily kill a dragon in one go, why don't you do that every for every fight " and then refuses to take on boss fights.
Funny enough if you do a tiny bit of research there's actually a statement for paladins of nonviolent gods where it is recognized sometimes violence must be a needs to and end. Paladins for said gods are excused to do these acts if the result allows future peace to be kept.
@@Blitzwaffen Exactly and even without it you can do a lot of damage without killing. My Elvin ranger hardly ever kills by simply specifying to the DM that his attacks are not lethal and roleplaying how this is possible if needed for some difficult situations, and he hasn't even taken an oath.
Yeah, the "pacifist god" making his followers...especially PALADINS also have to be "pacifist" is ludacris. I'm no expert on Illmayter, but in the basic 3rd edition player's handbook I don't recall it saying ANYWHERE that he was pacifist and demanded all his followers also be pacifist.
@@Goldenbane Considering the dmpc was a "chosen" I wouldn't be surprised if the DM intentionally needed the paladin so another divine character didn't upstage their spotlight.
@@TheTravelerww Your lucky. The last time I tried to deal 'non-lethal' damage in a 5E game, I killed the guy on accident. On account of a critical hit and nearly max damage. Was actually kind of awesome when I tripped him, and took his leg completely off at the knee with a warhammer. My Critical caused 'death by massive damage', so the non-lethal just didnt fly xD
DMPC? Ulgh I don’t know why but that acronym sounds off to little ol me. Either way that random samurai murder princess definitely sounds like a last straw to me! YIRBEL LIVES
DMPC to me smacks of indecision. Either be the DM or be a player. Don't try to be both.
@@Sturmjaeger I have had to do a DMPC in games I have run, due to lack of players. However, DMPCs are there to aid a party, not command one. Essentially I play a yes-man type that will do whatever he is told without question and isn't a real "character' so to speak. He has his own story, but its never the focus and if we find a new player he steps out to be a nifty NPC.
It should ONLY be done if necessary and the goal is to not need them. But if I have to pick between DMPC and not getting to play, so be it.
Plexiux ahhh that sounds a bit more resonable
@@Plexiux Fair enough.
@Plexiux that’s pretty much what I did before my 2 players became 4 players. They just needed an extra pair of hands in combat.
It always shocks me when someone builds a paladin like this, paladins to non violent gods doesn't mean they can't take lethal actions. Most gods know that there are some people or creatures of things that run opposed to their ideals. Paladins to these gods usually have a divine pardon to use lethal force when necessary so long as a peaceful solution is attempted to the best of their ability at first.
This was information I discovered when one of my players wished to be a paladin for a god of peace and music/festivals and was worried it would mean they couldn't help in combat. At the time I didn't know and gave him a net and reminded him of the help action but I spent the post game pouring over research until I learned the info above.
This DM is doing a lot of things wrong but the biggest offense to me is not doing the research between games to make sure all the players are enjoying themselves.
I made a Paladin that believes all humanoids were human (7 intelligence tiefling that thought he was a disfigured human) and tries to talk to the monsters before the fight but even he will swing his flail into the side of something's head if it actually tried to attack him or his friends.
@@justanotherglorpsdaymornin5097 Sounds like a fun character to play. What did he think of the shorter races?
@@Bladez10 He normally thinks they are children or just short people (depending on their appearance and behaviour). He believed the kenku druid was a child and would carry them around and try to protect them and when he heard about the curse that made kenku flightless and forced them to use 'parrot speak' he misunderstood it as a curse that made them grow feathers and talk funny and vowed to do his best to remove the curse placed on this poor child.
Do offer the OP some DnD-awesomeness-she-can’t-help-but-getting-engrossed-in-the-game-again so she changes her mind!
Not gonna lie, if you guys ever decide to do a podcast, feel free to let me know. While I'm sure that many viewers might like to hear from the authors of some of their favorite stories, it might also serve as an excellent chance to instruct others on how to improve their roleplay experience for both DMs and players. :)
It is so annoying to have DM's who obviously have a completely frustrating reallife they are bitter about.
And then they force their fantasy of power and importance on the players no matter how cringe and cheap it is.
I've never heard stories of dmPCs being...not a horrible experience.
There a chance that's just because the good ones don't stand out.
I think it depends if the ST is a veteran and knows his players, then they'll have a good time, if on the other hand he disrespects them, and show the STPC(s) is/are better than the PCs, etc. Idk if he should have his STPCs along other PCs, just my opinion, but honestly Idk what what a stpc is (basically gmpc but with st instead)
@@alfredwinchesterjr I think maybe that's because of what they are. What's the difference between a DMPC and an NPC? NPCs are background, DMPCs are in the spotlight.
Notes from a NG human idiot;
Greetings from lovely Restenford(i need to send my servants to the market tomorrow, so hopefully it'll stop raining...)!
As much as i'd like to say otherwise, i myself was guilty of having a Trusted Lieutenant (re:DMPC ) go with my adventurers (though it was completely unintentional on my part). It can be hard as an Upper Noble to not have favorites amongst your court, as we are all mortal and sometimes can't help it. This in no way makes up for the Nobleman's actions within the Assignment(OP and her husband did the wise thing and left before it obviously got worse), it just explains why it'll sometimes happen. In the end, it's up to the Upper Noble(as well as the Adventurer's they've hired) to try to curtail the actions of their lieutenant so that the Adventurer's can do the job they were hired for....
May your pantheon ever favor you
Baron Trevelyan of Restenford
I fortunately had a good time with a DMPC. I began playing DND 3.5 at about 13/14 in 2006, with my next door neighbor T, his brother R and M, who lived across the street. T and R's dad was our DM, a Gygaxian Era pro DM who had made a custom megadungeon in a homebrew world. In the megadungeon there was a web of interconnected "black portals" that would take the player from one point in the dungeon to another. Each portal was a flat black void set into the end of a hallway. Each portal was only one-way, once entered it could not be exited, if you re-entered the portal you just exited it would take you somewhere else entirely. At the time I was playing a human rogue, T was a Dwarf cleric, R was a halfling warlock, and M was a gnome barbarian. In our early adventures at level 1 we first encountered a black portal. Generally at that time, we were overcautious about everything. We spent at least an hour experimenting with the portal, throwing in torches, ropes, marbles, and anything else to test what the properties of the magic were. By that time R, the warlock was sufficiently board. He charged head first through the portal while the whole party screamed in panic! He immediately turned around and went back again sending him 4 levels deeper in the dungeon than the rest of the party, to the DM's cackling amusement. Reluctantly the party followed the warlock in an attempt to save his tiny black-hearted life. We then spent at least two sessions wandering blindly in a dungeon, deep underground, pursued by blood-thirsty knolls. Finally we barricaded ourselves in a dead end room and were under siege. We slowly ate all of our food, drank all of the water, and slowly ran out of lamp oil. The DM knowing this was turning into a TPK sent a DMPC to our aid. Geoffrey, a 8th level fighter was sent in by the wizard to tasked us to explore the dungeon. He finally found us and helped us hack our way through about two-dozen knolls to our freedom, where he promptly called us rash idiots and hoped he would not be needed again. Geoffrey eventually became a reoccurring NPC in town who we could ask for advice.
Honestly if you can't stop making DMPCs that dominate your game, write a book, because you're the only one participating "player" in the game
I'm impressed that Lydia had enough wherewithal to make decisions based on "what her character would do," despite it being her first time playing Pathfinder. I guess she picked up some excellent RP skills playing Vampire! Well done!
Dang, talk about a Mary Sue controlled by a DM. Not a D&D player nor a DM, but a DMPC should be played cleverly. The DMPC should be equal to the other players.
In other words, the DMPC shouldn't be ready for what will be presented.
I dont feel like the DMPC should be equal, it should almost always be lesser. My DM took the approach that her DMPC didnt do anything until our PCs asked her about it. I felt like that was pretty nicely solved, only little annoyance was that our party already consisted of 6 people and she added another round in combat on top of that but I can relate to DMs who want to play aswell
OP's husband here. More than just being overpowered, the DMPC knew what the DM knew and used that knowledge. In one fight against a skeleton boss of a small dungeon, DMPC just started talking to the skeleton, reminding him of who he was in life, and convinced the boss to stop fighting and be the noble hero he once was. Boss monologues, fight ends, and DMPC saves the day, defeating the boss yet again.
@@jazzman616 DMPC Using the most powerful spell meta-game... next to that is pun pun.
I only have a couple friends that play so we end up using DMPC's a lot, as well as handing out an extra feat or HP to all PC's.
My favorite to run is 'Trevor'. Trevor is usually a fighter or barbarian (my players tend to be ranged) with an INT of 3 and CON of 18. He can say his name but little else, and is endlessly loyal to both of the PC's. A literal meatshield for the casters lol.
Okay. This intro was a lot more awkward. But I still love that you kept the classic laugh, as usual.
"The DM had a PC." Well that's all kinda of red flags in that single sentence right there.
That "paladin" sounds like the DM was such a jerk he was intentionally gimping the newb...
I'm running a 5e homebrew campaign based off of an old ps2 game called Summoner. In it, the main character is the 'chosen one' and I was trying to find a way to incorporate them into the game without them being a DMPC. I chose to kill the chosen one.
The party met the chosen one on a road while traveling to the main city and an orc blasted a fireball at them all, killing the chosen one and modified his ability to act like a curse that infected the entire party. No DMPC to worry about anymore.
Moral of my story is: when in doubt, FIREBALL!
My first campaign in DND was like this. My Lizardfolk Fighter stayed with the DMPC through the campaign in the beginning because she was fragile. As this was my first DND I was inexperienced with most aspects of the game and when we had to raid a neighboring town that was being ruled by imposters through power, I opted to stay with her as normal. She decided to go with our monk who has constantly berated her and wanted her as a booty call instead. Then when we had to get past a big group of guys, he DMPC transformed into the Monk's father (using some kind of spell) and scared the whole group with no combat. Not helping that she is loved by the whole town like the best person ever and we are roadies to protect her.
Beautiful Perfect DMPC meets murderhobos. What happens? Sweet beautiful chaos of story shattering proportions.
Hearing about a DM like this really boosts my confidence as a DM
As a DM that regularly uses DMPC's (Typically because we run party's of 3-4 not including myself) I always make mine as focal characters storywise(They need to have a reason to be there, not just cause your Dming) but support's in combat. I generally play then as ranged back-line characters who primarily dole out useful party buffs so that my players don't have to worry about using their own concentration on it. (Unless that's their thing of course) I also make it a rule not just at my table but across my personal gaming server that ANY DMPC needs to be built like a PLAYER not an npc. Now I'm not adverse to making npcs super strong, but they are never to be used as a permanent party member. Unless my players want to keep em around of course. It's happened a few times that they've really liked one of my npcs and didn't want to get rid of them, but that is always their choice. I also have a rule that if a NPC has access to something ALL my players should have access to said something as well. So if I use homebrew for one of them, my players get to use homebrew as well.
I have only ever put in a DMPC as a mechanical boon that follows the party.
Such as when the part was struggling with a dungeon he cast arcane eye and crated a map with semi accurate placing of mobs.
Or just have him cooking a hearty meal during long rests to give flavour text.
The most involved i ever got was when a new player needed a helping hand so my DMPC was her personal guard helping her when needed.
Good Old DMPC's. I remember when my first fantasy rpg party was lead by the avatar of some godly-powered king who just happened to be the players last character and new god of this world. He also was dragon-powered and immortal.
I only do dmpcs when I run a small group but they are almost always supportive characters usually for hire and expendable only if the players really like them do I keep them around. I also make sure that the PC's get the "final" strike on major bad guys so they can get the HDYWTDT, unless they are in danger of getting TPKed
I just put a PC when its a small party (2 ppl), and just to add the missing point in the party like a damage sponge or supporter (aka, Human Paladin), but is to the party ask him to make most of the things otherwise he focus on help the party or just punch some easy mob. But the main thing is that the players get the final blow to the important enemies and when the party is big enough he just leave or ward ppl that they need to escort.
In fact, in the main game, the Paladin has a complex history that if the players are willing to continue with it, it will lead them to a small emotional adventure that depending on how they finish the game, could influence years later, but it is not something indispensable, it principal role is so I can play with their emotions so they get attached to other NPC's
DMPCs can be disastrous. As a DM i avoid it unless the party has recruited one. In PotA im running they convinced the butcher/constable to join them. I rolled up a fighter and I never let him outshine anyone. He became the lovable party cook and sort of comedy relief since they forgot about him alot. They grew fond of him and when Marlos turned him to stone and crushed him, it became personal to the group.
As soon as I heard that the DMPC was the chosen one of the goddess of magic itself I knew it was gonna be good. Wew lad.
THEY ARE BASICALLY IN A PARTY WITH JESUS! DOES THAT SOUND BALANCED TO YOU???
I remember my first actual game of D&D where the DM showed off his DMPC while introducing the game to two completely new players.
The DM was a friend in college who was a self proclaimed jerk. He was the type of guy that stood up for what he thought was right with or without apology, and was surprisingly a pretty great guy most of the time.
I told him that I had wanted to play D&D, and how the closest I had gotten to beforehand was sitting down, hearing the setting and roleplaying my character looking at equipment or something.
Anyway, he offered to DM a game with me and another friend of his that was also wanting to try D&D out for the first time.
The issues of the game were immediate. I knew what I wanted to play as from the start. I had an original character that was a race that wasn't available in any game at the time and wasn't represented in a way I liked if it was in a video game. So I asked if I could play as an anthropomorphic wolf and he told me that he only wanted me to play as one of the core races. I also asked if I could play with the stats of a human or something while looking like what I wanted my character to look like. He said no, so I decided to go with an option I had heard about that sounded cool.
I went as a human fighter that was going to be focusing on their dexterity. I never learned the classes of the others, but the other player in the group went with and elf and the DM's character was a "400" pound dwarf. We were starting at level one with only basic gear while he would be at level 3 with an ax of fire and ice and other magical items I can't recall.
We started in a tavern and I was, basically pretending to be myself and have never liked the idea of alcohol so when asked for an order I just asked for milk and was made fun of until I had my character take a drink. Then I had to roll for consuming alcohol, rolled badly and was immediately drunk and given penalties.
Admittedly we didn't start the game on a good note either. I can't remember why, but the other player's character started everything off by throwing a mug at the DM's character promoting a fight, which immediately went south for the player.
The player lost most of their health after single hit and decided to book it out of the tavern. The DM decided to have his character pursue him, and I thought that he had already learned his lesson so I decided to stick out my foot to trip the DM's character while planning to help him up afterwards. Though, he told me to make a roll for it and I rolled poorly. I thought "no big deal, I'll probably get my foot stepped on and take some damage or something at worst."
I was so wrong! I was thrown to the ground and immediately knocked unconscious.
Later the others got together for a bounty mission and left without me when my character woke up with a hangover, all before I had really gotten to properly meet the others in character. Due to some luck I got over the hangover with a roll and, ignoring the fact that we hadn't met, I headed out after the others.
However, it was night time in the game and I was playing a human character with no visibility in the dark. The DM decided to have his character sneak up on mine to scare him. As I was still pretending to be myself I knew what my reaction would be, but when he got a bit of a better roll than I did and he decided that my character would scream and crap their pants...
Since almost no one pays any attention to needing to go to the bathroom in roleplays, and games in general, I assumed that I just took care of my business and we carried on.
Anyway we carried on to the Goblin's cave that we were after and caught them all asleep. There were two goblins and a single hobgoblin there. I and the other player went after the goblins and struggled to take them down while the DM took on the hobgoblin. He one shot the thing and then laughed when he realized he had done more damage than he originally thought.
After that we discovered another chamber full of more sleeping goblins. I knew there was no chance of surviving that, after nearly dying to two goblins that had also started out asleep. So I was ready to leave and happily enough so was everyone else. Thing is, the DM decided to show off some more.
Since his character was a dwarf he decided that his character could easily find and hit the weak points in the walls of the cave as we ran out, collapsing the tunnel.
After that, the mission was over and we were going to head back to town.
But of course, the DM had to let me know that my character hadn't taken care of the crap in his pants and that he stunk.
Despite all that, I had a fire burning in me and I wanted to show the DM what I could do. I hoped that I could possibly show him up at his own game. But the other player wasn't interested in playing anymore and the DM didn't want to either with only one player.
So my first official game of D&D only had one horrible session to it, thankfully enough.
Oh, god.
See, I use dmpcs a lot (mainly because I wouldn't get to play otherwise since I'm a perma DM) but the most they do in combat is heals or debuffs. They're never as good or better than the party. It helps them without them feeling like it's a power fantasy from me
There are right ways and wrong ways to DMPC. They can be useful for a number of reasons and can also destroy a game as long as there is an understand between players and DM everything’s cool.the most problems come from DM’s who just want to do it all and basically write their own story and have the other players witness the DM’s story and the “correct” characters. Avoid that sin and you’re golden
the only time you should make a combat focused NPC is if a majority of the players are playing support.
As a perma DM I very rarely play a character that is my own. The key is to fulfill a role they need, but don't want to do. Have a group without a face? No rogue? Lacking magic? Whatever the team is missing, build a dmpc and feel free to glorify that character. They will thank you for it. Just be sure the light always shines on their characters too!
It is stories like these that make me careful when I go into designing NPCs that I’d like to have play a slightly larger role than quest giver or merchant. I’m always consulting a group on FB of more experienced players for advice on balancing such characters out. Probably the strongest that isn’t a villain but just someone to provide aid is a Dhampir Grave Cleric, and that’s because of a lamp she carries (a relic of her god, which draws souls in, then can deal Radiant or Necrotic damage to any nearby enemies(namely Undead) when she releases the souls to the after life. Which then resets the lantern’s strength to 0, other than the casual blessed light. And this Character? I like her, but I’m planning to have her die. I just hope the players actually get attached to her a bit before it happens. Otherwise, I’ll shift things a bit.
I had a similar problem with making a DMPC. One time it was a Bard and the other was a wizard. I wisely stepped away from it as it was an incredibly stupid idea. Plus i was taking away from the party by doing that.
I have DMPCs that I don't use often unless it makes sense, but fun fact they were made by one of my players and given to me to use....3 of them in fact.
I made sure to use standard array, average hit point increase and keep them lower level than the main party to make sure they don't outshine the players......unless the dice says otherwise
Whenever you see a DMPC just get up and walk from the table, don't pause, don't say anything, just go.
no you should try to deny them the opportunity to follow you and if they do stick with the party despite you not wanting it then just kill them for stalking you
My first experience with DND was 3.5 editions many years ago. I joined an already established group through a few friends of mine and they were all experienced players and most experienced DMs. My friend was the DM of this campaign that had gone one a while. Everyone was at least level 5 and they told me they needed a cleric so I rolled one up. They made me start at level 1 which made me highly ineffective. They introduced me with the words, “he’s always been here but no one noticed him.” I was pretty turned off from that point on. I played a session and a half mostly due to the timing of the game. It would start at 8pm but we’d be at the table by midnight and I would have to be at work/college by 9am. I couldn’t manage playing so late with a group I couldn’t help and a DM that didn’t put forth effort into making sure my first experience was a good one.
Wow, what a story. Some people should not DM, I hope you did not give up there are lots of good DMs out there. The game is a lot of fun and lots of good memories can be made.
Fs our for Lydia. A true trooper that kept going after such a shitty experience.
that is definitely the worst case of DMPC, which is a bad idea in the first place.
All I could think at the end was "no no no, you were PERFECTLY in the right to quit if you felt like it" after all it's just a game, it's not an obligation to slog through more unpleasantness if you don't want to
"Oh yeah, the DM ran a PC..."
That should have sent up a red flag. DMs should never be playing PCs! It is near impossible for a DM's PC to not be made into a Mary Sue character due to the DM's inside knowledge. DMs are basically the God and when a DM runs a PC, that PC becomes a Messiah and gets favorited by the DM. I would have just quit the group and created my own and tried to fumble through D&D myself. I'm sorry to the narrator that the Mary Sue character ruined fantasy RPGs for her. It shows how terrible some people are at DMing and just want to write a fanfic and not actually interact with the game.
EDIT: I heard about how that character was dumped off... and then the DM created a new character who was just as terrible and had no morals. She was the Shadow Queen in human form. Obvious the DM was just a wanker who wanted to play the game solo with his uber character who was immune to any consquences. I'm glad you dumped that DM like hot garbage, and take the video maker's words to heart: Don't give up on fantasy RPGs and go to platformers because some asshole ruined the game for you. :(
I’ve ran a DMPC before, just to balance out the party in combat because I only had 2 players who were very new and was waiting on my other two friends to join. I don’t know why in all these DMPC stories they always have to be the be all end all of the party. Mine was just a regular ranger the same lv as the party who didn’t even do anything out of combat. I wouldn’t have even made one if they didn’t get TPK’d , in the first encounter by 2 wolves and 2 goblins.
PC here, one of the other PC's in our campaign had a apprentice who the DM voiced and controlled in combat. he manged to pull it off, she was a ranger i think who kept up with the party's level and never seemed op or was favored. in fact she and said PC almost died. well me and the PC did died while she escaped with 1 hp but anyway what i am saying is it is possible for a good DMPC if they are good enough.
@@blackreaper3525 You are an exception, Black Reaper. I am not bashing on DMPCs. It's just that the stories you hear are usually the bad DMs who shouldn't play the game because they are just doing it to live out their fanfiction fantasies. It's bad enough these people just want to write bad stories where they are superheroes. We could use more DMs like you who know how to create balanced and fair characters who don't dominate games with divine powers they should not have.
I joined an online game with 2 other players and 2 DMPCs.
As the charismatic but dumb tiefling paladin (that thought he was a human with a birth defect) hoping to go oath of redemption (redeeming monsters) I created good connections with the two PCs but they didn't interact much with each other (we were all relatively new players).
The rogue tollerated my stupidity as I tried to show him the path of light and redeem him from his life of crime and he tried to show me the effectiveness of a less naive approach. I thought the kenku druid (that was 8 years older than me) was a human child with a curse and they were trying to convice me they were an adult and I was trying to get them to interact better with the npcs (often by just picking them up and putting them right in front of the npcs) whilst they tried to convince me that animals and trees have souls (after I killed a chicken).
I didn't really interact much with the DMPCs because one was a cloaked figure that paid us to hunt a criminal and the other was a big silent dragonborn so other than talking to the dragonborn about our 'skin connditions' and horns I didn't have much to talk to them about and they would only reply in short answers. The other players basically ignored the DMPCs.
We didn't get past session one, looking back I think it's because the DMPCs weren't the centre of attention.
Christian Groff I try my best, I’m relatively new to being a DM, so I’ve still got a lot to learn balance wise. I just want my players to have fun, as I’m sure all good DM’s do. I don’t understand why so many ruin their players game just to inflate their own ego. I mean if you want to play in interesting character of your own creation make it a really engaging big bad, not a Mary sue who can stomp the party or any monsters on whim.
In my former table, one I played for almost 15 years, all masters had characters, but all made according with the PHB, and worked more like a "hint" when we didn't know what to do next, so they never were really the focus of the game... but one thing I'll never forget to one of them is that his character became king for no reason.
I just made an account on the website, never knew about it! Looks like a really cool place to share some of my group's DnD stories, we've been playing 5e for 6 years now so we've got plenty!
I must say I was impressed that for a new player you took into thought about what the character that was forced upon you would think of another one.
It was either that or talk to the DM about it. But that's not the best course of action. Finding a new group works well. It's a fresh start
A DM NPC is supposed to be for flavor, plot hooks, or utility to help the party. I admit to playing such an NPC, a former teifling turned pumpkin creature as part of his story thus far. He's built for battlefield manipulation and out of combat utility. He can't heal and can do very little damage. But the character doesn't want to deal damage or be the brightest shining star. He's happy just having the party as extra muscle, so he tries to be as useful as he can with his spells in order to have them keep him around and safe from his back story that will come looking for him later in the campaign.
I'm a D&D noob and I go to a LGS for weekly one-shot. We have a few murder hobos who are annoying... But I can deal with that.
Since it's one-shot, we do mostly canon stuff. Homebrew is okay if you check in with DM first. Some weeks, a dude and his girlfriend showed up with a bunch of homebrew stuff without talking the DM first (they are not in our Facebook group because they don't trust social media) and had to spend a lot of time mid game explaining why they were extremely OP (our group is all at L4) and had certain weapons (turned out guy's character is a starfinder-homebrew artificer)... They made the game not fun.
I'm sorry to hear how bad this experience was for them. I hope they weren't turned off of playing a follower of Ilmater though. I played a cleric of Ilmater long ago in a 2nd Ed game. Had great fun role playing his unique play style.
“Welcome to the group, you aren’t allowed to do anything!”
mayor: it is considered an offence punishable by death to talk with her
player: oh okay. well I'm sure that killing in innocent person is an offence punishable by firebolt!
Being denied a weapon is a bad thing, but god damn if thumbnail art doesn't make it look good.
OP: just to be clear I am a paladin...
DM: uh huh
OP: a holy soldier...
DM: yea
OP: and your not allowing me to have a fu*king weapon!?
DM: ... oh right
Any time I've had NPCs that might join the party, I make sure they are weaker than the PCs, or are entirely support focused. For instance, they might have one weak but repeatable attack, and then some strong healing spells, and something like lesser restoration.
That DM sounds utterly incompetent.
Sounds? The DM is NOTHING BUT INCOMPETENT lol
if i made a dmnpc i would only have them as a back up healer, and a weekly skill that lets him either make a players level go up by 5 for 1 fight or mass resurrection, but i wouldn't bs players out of a fight unless out of game they asked
I dread EVERYDAY that a story about me might be told. Since I've had some pretty terrible early attempts at DMing.
I once DMed a game and had a DMPC in it. It was a healer and buff provider, because the party needed some support and no one wanted to play that role. He was there to escort the party and record their deeds. Basically, his presence supported the party and made them feel important. He didn't carry the party and make them feel useless.
That’s really taking the piss with diplomatic immunity.
The GM plays dozens of characters over a single adventure why do some people need to have a PC as well?
If the players decide to get the help of a NPC that's fine, if they do an escort mission, then that's fine too, but don't force your players to take a NPC with them and no matter what don't let them take the spotlight, unless it's a one time thing and a major hook for the adventure.
In my sky pirate game my players have their own crew, 5 1/2 NPC + some faceless ones. THEY decide if someone joins them on expeditions. The NPC are people sure and will act depending on their character, but in the end they are playing the second fiddle and my players are in control.
When I had joined my school Dnd club, I had to join a game around the 3rd or 4th session (late in the game) and I joined as a human male rogue stealth character because I really like playing stealth and being a petty opponent against enemies (switching their quiver with a pile of sticks or sabotaging their horse saddles, and my personal favorite of tying one guys shoe laces together mid battle). The other players who were in the game longer unsurprisingly were more powerful than me a warlock with amazing magic skills and another warlock who perfected to play as animals like an eagle or bear to attack animals; the problem I had was how the DM also had a character who was massively over powered. I don’t have anything against DMs playing a role playing part in their own campaign, but when you grant your character over powering weapons such a a sword with a wishing ability that one’s character can literally wish any opponent away before the two new guys could so much a poke at him was my problem. Despite my inability for my character to play a part in combat, I tried using my characters high intelligence to read the history or perception to read the area around us. Though when the DM claimed we found a chest full of valuable items and began giving everyone powerful elemental weapons, I had to ask him what I got to remind him of my existence but all he said was I got a basic short sword... yeah. I tried to remain calm and just play as much of a part as I could, but my frustration grew to the breaking point when we fought a stone Goliath or Titan and as everyone was throwing lighting bolts and growing plant roots to restrain the legs of the behemoth, all I could do at the max was chip at its concrete legs even with a higher role then it’s DT. Unsurprisingly, the weakness was revealed when the DMs character rolled a perception check even though my perception check found nothing! He claimed that he sued magic to hits its weak point, but due to a low roll it went to the next player. Finally when it got to my roll I had used my second story experience perk to climb the leg of the creature and attempt to stab its weakness but then I failed. Then the Dm got to roll, much to my horror and everyone else’s, he wished it away with his magical sword because he didn’t want to ‘miss’ again; resulting in me, and the two warlocks to fall several stories to the rocky ground. Most of us injured with the exception of the animal warlock who was a bird at the time we decided to rest at the remains of a ruined city which was supposed to be the capital of the realm. While everyone had began to role play a conversation about the campaign story, I had to beg the DM to allow me to roll a perception and investigation roll to loot the ruins of the city. Despite being in the ruins of a wealthy and amazing city all and getting high rolls, all I found was concrete powder, rocks and wood chips. I love dnd but I hate it when the DM steals all the thunder all the time and never allows a new player to learn a bit outside the basics of rolling a dice and chooses to make the new player suffer even though all they want to do is have fun... sorry for ranting but that’s my experience with my first REAL dnd match, my other matches were all games led by first time DMs who had probably read the rule books and watched a few videos before trying a small game like a small band of misfits fighting a ogre that was terrorizing a small town or a band of caravaners protecting a wagon of gold.
I was recruited into D&D back in the 80's by the cartoon. Finally started playing for real in 1992.
Ilmater is probably my paladin deity. When I play a paladin he is almost always a paladin of Ilmater. In fact one of my common character quirks if I'm a paladin or cleric of Ilmater is that his holy emblem is carved directly into my characters chest. And believe me he does not have an issue with you killing if you are in a battle.
DM's homebrew PC race described as having glowing sigils floating around their head and my brain instantly goes: does he mean Illumian? (to be fair, I don't think this was officially ported to Pathfinder so you'd be stuck with either the 3.5 version or a homebrew rebalance)
I like the new intro :D
I can't forget the draconic bard keeper that was a pc of the DM in another campain, he was a demi god, or something like that.
"Homebrew race DMPC" huge redflag. You pretty much know how this story goes.
It takes a certain type of DM who is willing to make the aventure about the rest of the party and not their PC's. I once played at a table where the DM had a character, I was hesitant, until it turned out a good story, but only because she follow the rules as any other PC would if they didnt knew the same things as the omnicient DM, she always told me " well just imagine what would you do if you where oblivious and roll the dice even if you get a natural 1" I am still hesitant when this sort of things happen but at least one person make it work, if you need to know she played a human cleric, mostly because the party lacked one. She always made her character have its turns but no so speciall or Mary Sue type. She did saved one player, but it wasnt a legendaty save by any means. But still I rather not let this happen specially if the character sounds overpowered and what not.
DM: What? A sword? Nah son, your not allowed to hurt anybody with that...
*DMPC incinerates a room full of people*
Just wow.
WHO THE HELL MAKES A PALADIN WHO CAN'T FIGHT?!?
a way to make a godly npc you make that can help is make it a spirit that appears when everyone as died or if you roll a 20 when downed ,put it in a magical item that possesses you for 12 second and can clean the fight,it makes it non intrusive and keep it weird but mystical,it might interest them more than someone stealing their glory
First of all, it seems a lot of player characters trying to DM for the first few times get hung up on showcasing their favorite characters. I too was guilty of such a thing, but the difference is, I made these showcase characters 'employers' available to my players. Naturally, I have hundreds of characters by now, and I still enjoy a light showcasing, but again, they are relegated to a taskmaster position for the purposes of keeping their campaign and their characters the stars of the show. I can be there for an occasional battle with my choice characters, and then relegate difficult quests with them in the same day. It's quite enjoyable!
But the narrator of this channel is right. There are much better DM's out there, and I feel that's what you and your husband need. A structured, player-focused, role-play heavy campaign is usually just the trick to get lots of people hopelessly addicted to such a simple, inexpensive game!!
Good luck finding a better DM, they are out there!
I have 1 DMPC, he shows up only when there is a bard being a sleaze bag in my campaigns, he is Farmer Bill (or some other simple name at the time), of nondescript race, who will kick said bard in the nads screaming "KEEP YER HANDS OF MAH DAUGHTER!" at the top of his longs and quite psychotically. This kick does somewhere between 6 and 12 damage and has a fortitude save to not be nauseated- stunned based on damage dealt. He almost always gets 1 shot by the PCs after that (except the one game where the party just let him beat the shit out of the bard) as he only has 5 health as a commoner farmer level 0
My first campaign had a DMPC as the BBEG. This PC was going around killing the gods of various pantheons, so we would have to absorb their divine spark and eventually face against him. For each one we absorbed, we would have a stat raised to 30. It would've been a game of cat and mouse until we got to level 20. I ended up moving away before we could see it through.
The dm could have at the very least given her a quarter staff and medium armor made an interesting non leathal palidan monk class mix up
I’ve got a story, and it’s not too long, but it’s still a story.
So I have had little luck in finding a good D&D game, most thing have been homebrew messes that Went about as quick as they came, and the one time I actually played, the DM gave us one action out of combat per room, going by order of rooms in the book (we were playing the starter pack.) and we were not allowed to go back. (I feel it was because he was a last minute recruit of a dm for our game, but still.) In fact there’s is a section early on in the first dungeon you face where if you come in with torches, then they send a wave to wash you out. When that happened to our group, we just packed up and left to go to the town. Yup you heard me. We left. And for those who don’t know the starter set, we needed to save our employer (or since he was dead his right hand man.) from the cave to get paid for our escort mission, and clear the cave to get up to level three. And we skipped that. So of course the next logical thing is to railroad us into the next encounter in the book. It was this part that I snuck a look and read the GM’s book, and started protesting that he was doing it wrong, when we skipped a room with some skeletons that were supposed to leap out and attack us when we passed through. It was during school so when they consistently rolled twenties about three times a 45 minute session, combined with hormones, I left. The other attempt at dnd I had was a homebrew mess that lasted for two session before I got kicked out of this and the rest of his games, forever. I’ll keep it short, he homebrewed a lot and his stuff was devestating if it worked, but it usually didn’t, so we had a annoying fight to get to a boss that wasn’t even half as hard as his mooks, and died to two ice shard spells (after witch ice shard got nerfed. To a d4 and d6 respectively) and the second session, a goblin tanked a divine smite hit dealing slightly more than twice the standards hp for a goblin, and the go up shrugged it off, while a 3 from a rouges dagger killed an uninjured one. It’s because he rolled a d20 after a hit (to every goblin) and decided whether or not it survived, with no set DC. After that things got worse, and me being the socially ackward person I am, who was having a stressful day, decided to blow up a bunch of sparkpowder, magic D&D gunpowder, (that I didn’t have) to TPK and end the session. It was more of a method to stop the playing, because I have issues boxing my opinion, especially in the middle of a RPG game, and I told the DM as much afterwards, and while he understood, he was still mad at me and kicked me out of this and all future games run by him, which I get and deserved. Anyways, I hope you enjoyed the story, and have a great day.
Edit: this is just meant to be a blurb as a funny story, not trying to push it as a submission, but if you somehow enjoyed my terrible writing and boring story, then you have my consent. I just doubt that event would come to pass, just wanted to cover bases.
I made a comment on a different video about my first time, but I just want to add more details.
When I joined with my halfling bard, they immediately didn't like me. You piss off the DM there was a good chance of a random demon laser hitting you for 100+ damage. I entered chained to a sacrificial table, and they didn't help me for multiple rounds. When I did get free, one player chained me to the table again and she used it as a weapon. When I finally got free, and because I knew nothing about DnD, all I could do was take some shots with my crossbow. The next session, I was incinerated by a red dragon. I quit showing up for a while, but I decided to come back as a Minotaur Paladin. I had chainmail armor with a greatword in one hand and a shield in the other. One of the other players had Darksteel plate armor and what is essentially a demon killing lightsaber. In three hours, all I did in one session was get off a boat, kill some zombies, get enraged (Minotaur), calm down, get attacked by another player that was possessed by the spirit of a mace, threw them on the ground, and got back on the boat. After that I left.
This story is basically how the main character friend feels in anime or any other side character
Played with this group once. Only once. The DMNPC was a 20th level EVERYTHING (Elminster, eat your heart out). No challenge in a setting like that
new player played VtM without any Unfortunate Incident, but was menaced in such a wholesome, innocent game as pathfinder? what parallel universe is this ;D
This is why I avoid having DMPCs in the first place. As a DM, I already control the narrative. I should let the players have their own good time interacting with the world.
Goes from insufferable DMPC the OP is forced to tolerate to insufferable DMPC the OP would be Oath bound to confront...
I know the feeling. Had a DMPC in previous campaign that was like a God tier character where she would just sit back watching us fight and at the slightest hint things were not going well or fast enough she would use some home brew ability to either make all the enemies turn and flee or drop dead.
The completely unself aware DM kept saying "she is there to help you guys. I figured you'd like having the extra help to get out of tough situations." Which also this and other stories of DMPCs, why do so many seem to be guys making hot girl DMPCs?
As for two characters walking up after getting drunk and having no say in the matter. He's done stuff like that telling players what their characters do. And forcing the party to go places they don't want or wouldn't reasonable go on their own by closing all other paths. He even thought it would be "cool and fun" to have a TPK encounter only to reveal it was just a dream afterwards. Yeah cause getting jerked around on an emotional roller coaster is fun... NOT. It's like those prank shows which are only really fun to the people pulling the prank and sadist who also find it amusing to see people suffer.
We need the story of Ozzmar the Paladin of Bro
Turbulent Thrombosis link me to it?
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@@allthingsdnd there's also the classic of old man Henderson. The only character to win Call of Cthulu. 1d4chan.org/wiki/Old_Man_Henderson
The main issue is with getting permission to narrate the story but we’ll see what we can do.
@@allthingsdndI wish you good luck good sir!
Had a DM that heavily favored his wife in game. We also found out later that she was not only privy to the story before game night and was allowed to meta game during the sessions, she was also writing much of it with her character(s) at the center of it.
The dm is there to tell the story that you make with your party there should be no dmpcs unless it is to further plot even if it is for plot i feel like they should be at the partys level even so there are plenty of other ways to liven up the season without there being a dmpc
Same leval agreed however a dmpc can be usefull for a game with to few PC's in order to increase partty size.
I've never really played DND but to me if the dm has a PC in the game, they take a passive role or are the contracted noble, etc of the campaign that serves to direct the party at a cross roads, or simply to subtly sway events either for or against the party depending on the nature of the campaign... They shouldn't by any means completely alter the entirety of a campaign or an encounter... Like an indirect support role mostly.
@@erikburzinski8248 party size does not really matter in fact it can be helpful at times in my experiences with dmpcs the only good ones were the ones that stayed out of combat they can only make things better during roleplay if done right
@@Things_I_wish_I_knew really it should be the partys choice in the end its just my opinion no dm should force a dmpc onto a party unless it is for roleplay purposes only
@@warbirda that's sort of what I am getting at, but... Even with that, in most cases the DMpc would probably be much better served as a simple unnassuming npc.
Nice story, I've only played for about a month so hopefully I don't get one of those
I thought something about the intro though , it could be nice to have the part with the dragon breath fire at first, it fades to the comic effect , the comic effect shows the all things dnd logoat the end and it zoomed out to the dm laughing
I have a more positive experience to share with anyone who might happen to read this:
I’ve been DMing the Lost Mines of Phandelver for a while now, and when I started I made a character to help out the party because there were only two players. Meet Jimbo the Barbarian Ape/basically Donkey Kong (when he rages I call it going “ape-shit”; he’s a homebrew Totem Warrior Barbarian with a Gorilla as his spirit animal).
I first introduced Jimbo in a short pre-campaign session with one of the players as an abused animal in a circus that the player rescued him from. Most of the time he just helps the party in combat and the others do the role playing (you know, since he’s a monkey and all). We have four players now, but I still kept Jimbo.
There have been fun moments, including killing a goblin by throwing a dead horse at it, shoving a Bugbear off a ledge into a 20ft pit (bugbear kept failing athletics checks to climb back out), beating a goblin to death with another goblin’s corpse (think Hulk vs Loki) followed by killing another goblin by throwing the same corpse at it, and getting punched by a zombie so hard he was sent flying into a party member (he initiated a grapple check against the zombie and got a nat 1, despite advantage).
Last session the party was fighting bugbears in a cave, they were 20ft up on a ledge and Jimbo had climbed down and was punching the enemies in the face (typical barbarian stuff) when one of the characters jumped off the ledge and called out for Jimbo to catch him (which he did), then a couple rounds later another player (who had jumped off the ledge and landed on a prone Bugbear) told Jimbo to throw him on the opposite ledge to chase after a baddy who was running away (he landed on the ledge, but fell prone when he failed an acrobatics check).
So, Jimbo is fun, makes for a convenient way to get the party out of or into trouble, and I’d say the group seems to like the character overall.
dude got hit with the "no u"
I've been a DM while I also played a PC. I mostly just played as arcane support because I was a warlock. I wasn't really needed though. Every time I threw something at my players they'd demolished it without much, despite my intent to actually got for a TPK a few times. And traps, I'd always failed the traps! It was like the dice gods were saying that I couldn't have my cake and eat it too
when hearin this the moment the waved her hand and burst of flames kills the enemies I died and remembered, I was in a game where that happened but it was acceptable cuz it was meant for a meme for our group manly cuz we said "if you could of done that the whole time why now?" NPC responded "you never asked me to help" it was an escort quest and told him to stay back while we killed all the monsters.
[alternate ending]
OP: okay guys battle plan
(one day later)
samurai: okay time to take a long rest
(OP waits for samurai to go to sleep before using a non lethal smite on her)
(samurai wakes up with half health)
samurai: oh you think you stand a chance? your god would not approve of this, you can't kill me
OP: oh I know... but he can!
(rouge sneak attacks the samurai)
rouge: THIS IS FOR THE MAN YOU KILLED YOU COLD BLOODED MURDERER!
(rouge kills the samurai)
(party celebrates)
DM: suddenly a bright light pierces the heavens and brings the samurai back to life
Player: NOPE!
(player hacks the princesses body into pieces before smashing her skull and burning her entire body)
(the next day)
DM: as you walk through a forest you see a young druid helping a-
player: we are not taking in any more BLATANTLY OVERPOWERED NPC'S!!!
Yesh the DM PCs I have arent op to the point they overshadow my players (having times when they're beaten within an inch of their lives, split from the party, in the direction that doesn't have a big plotline in, or taken out of the fight so my players can shine), but they arent completely useless in a fight.
I have one DM PC that by nature of his rolls, not his stats, is greater than the party. The pC in question is a kobold barbarian using the swolbold attribute stats from the Tome of Beasts by Kobold Press. All his rolls are done in the open and his character sheet is visable to the other players. While stupidly strong his wisdom and intelligence is incredibly poor. That being said he's nearly died and struggled to win with the rest of them and in some cases his absurd damage is a breath of fresh air and levity the party often jokes about.
He didn't start strong, in fact he was even dumber when they first collected him but by games end he was their most reliable blade when shit hit the fan. (He was also technically an NPC but they wanted me to be in character so often I just promoted him to PC status.)
@@Blitzwaffen one of the dmpcs I had follow my players was a female folk hero champion fighter, now an Oath of Heroism Paladin. I swear, it's only been two times I've had this DMPC had rolled a nat 20 in intimidation, and I wasnt even aiming for that. And shes not even proficient on it.
Some people are just unreasonable, both DMs and players but this one, he needs to be SMITED
As a DM... I cringed hard at this. I feel for the players who had to suffer through this. It reminds me of moments when you were a kid and playing with that one friend who has to have the spotlight when playing legos, toy soldiers, etc. Those kids suck to play with cause it was all about them. Much like the DM and his DMPCs in OP’s story.