Ultralight Frameless Hiking Packs Are Awesome! How to pack them and what I carry inside.
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- Frameless packs are awesome, but can be uncomfortable if you do not take the time to pack them correctly.
In this video I show you some tricks I’ve learned along the way and give you a broad view of what I’m taking with me on the trail this summer.
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This is fantastic! Thanks for filming with good lighting. And thanks for closer looks at the items. Great job!
Wayne! You made some super helpful comments / recommendations on my previous videos. Thank you so much for another nice comment! I'm much happier with how this video has turned out.
This pack looks awesome
This is one of the best hiking vedeo I've seen and I've seen a lot.
Pro tip: blow some air into you sleeping pad once it's all packed. Feels like butter!
Wish we had met you on the trail, Started March 26th and finished on August 2nd. My final pack was 17 lbs including food and water using a marrot summit Kompressor pack, 28 liters. The summer was great to shed 10 pounds and the large pack to a basic 8 x 8 tarp, 1 lb down bag, basic cloths. Can't wait to see your other videos. Watching othes on youtube is like reliving the adventure. But very few people on a ketogenic food plan. 3 lbs of fat is enough for 7 days or 140 miles. Plus a very small bear bag.
Hike your hike, enjoy the towns, and eat lots of food.
Thanks for leaving a comment and your support of the channel Jim. Under 20 with food and water is a treat isn't it? Congrats on on your hike.
That is a very small bear bag, very tempting for bears too eh? :). I've never hiked with anyone on a keto food plan. Do you have a good amount of energy throughout the day? I've read that the diet can keep you from hitting energy lows, but I haven't heard anything about keto hiking.
Ive also thought about this combo. I hiked and Keto'd but never at the same time.
Whoa. New fav ul backpacker
Kalman Sotanyi
Thank you for your nice comment and support of the channel.
I have some trail vlog videos if that’s something you’re into.
Might film another trip soon since we’ve been having decent weather down south.
2 minutes in I’m liking this video
anthony9thompson
Thank you for your like and comment!
It was a great kit. I hope the rest of the video earned the like as well. :)
Where did you go? My guess- you have become a lawyer, hopefully a successful one! Thank you for all your post. You have helped me immensely sir!
Good stuff ! That pack looks dope
Love this vid. Great Job. I think the only suggestion I would consider. would be to move the food bag to the outside pocket. Put it in first, followed by your tarp and bivy. Awesome set up !
Great video! Subscribed, and will check out more videos after i go pick up my new "Arcteryx Alpha FL 45" (650g 45liter backpack) at the post office. I prefer external frames, but i found it on sale for less than $100, so i had to at least try it...
Espen Haug
Wow, I can’t believe an arcteryx pack could be that cheap! I’m sure if you don’t like it you could get much of, if not all, of your money back out of it.
Great find!
Thank you for your nice comment and sub!
How do determine how many calories you need?
Chuck LeBer,
So there are calculators online that you can use to figure your caloric needs based on your height, weight, walking pace, the weight of your pack, and etc.
(You can really go as deep into it as you want - www.outsideonline.com/2315751/ultimate-backpacking-calorie-estimator )
That's all well and good, but the short answer is:
Pack in as many calories as possible. If you are hiking longer-mileage days, you are likely to be operating at a caloric deficit.
Especially on a long-distance hike, you basically need to eat as frequently as possible without running out of food between towns.
Me:
In 2016 I went from -170ish to 140+ish in 3 months. I was absolutely running on Empty at that point. I would zone-out and/or have no energy unless I stopped and ate something.
After that, I lightened my pack (reducing calories burned by carrying less weight) and put a much stronger focus on both eating MORE and eating 'better'.
After focusing on increasing both my nutritious-food intake and my overall calorie intake I felt and performed much better on trail.
Typically I shoot for about 2 pounds of food (3 meals + 2-3 snacks) per day and I eat something at least every 2-3 hours.
Now, when resupplying on trail, I don't necessarily sit and weigh everything out in the grocery store (or gas station depending where you run out of food) to get it exact.
I count out my meals and my snacks for each day and go for the higher calorie options available.
Nutrition - I started packing out fruits and veggies, adding more fruit to my trail-mixes, and generally looking for resupply options that had more quality ingredients.
There are loads of shelf-stable options for fruits and vegetables, though you're often paying a weight/packed volume penalty for these food items.
My favorite foods to pack out are peaches in syrup and orange bell peppers.
*For clarification, I still eat 'junky' foods like ramen frequently on trail. (So tasty!)
Calories - Having a variety of snacks available at all times was the #1 thing that helped me increase my calorie intake. Also, nuts are your friends.
For frequent snacks between meals, homemade trail-mix has been my go-to. A couple of handfuls every so often can keep you topped off to avoid energy lows.
Obvious, simple, and effective ... BUT you have to have those snacks available to you throughout the day.
If your snacks are buried down in your food bag, then you will not end up eating enough. Take your snacks out in the morning and at lunch and stuff them into an outside pocket where you can actually get to them throughout your day.
Still, even with snacks, sometimes it can be hard to consume more than 4,000 calories in a day (especially when it's hot... I'm never hungry when it's hot).
Adding calorie-boosters to every meal helps a lot and makes each meal a little tastier! Calorie-boosters are things like olive oil, (tremendous amounts of) cheese, chocolate (breakfast/dinner), milk powder (breakfast oatmeal), jelly packets (breakfast oatmeal), mayo, and other condiment packets/sauces from restaurants or grocery store delis in towns.
In addition to snacking, if you take the time to eat an actual breakfast, lunch, and dinner you'll be doing alright calorie-wise.
For a more complete calorie/food outline check out Swami's awesome article - www.thehikinglife.com/2017/01/the-thru-hikers-diet/#:~:text=The%20Deficit,level%20and%2For%20conditions).
Thank you for your comment and support of the channel,
- SB
I have a Zpacks Nero and replaced the foam sit pad they furnish with the pack. The replacement is a normal Therm-a-rest Zseat unfolded. Does not use or take up any space inside the pack. It's secured with lines to the outside of the pack that rests against my back.
That sounds like a really nice setup. I have never heard that the Zseat would fit as a replacement. It is a great little sit pad. Thanks for leaving a comment Chuck :)
You are so ultra light! I am adding weight to my kit this year as I transition from a tent to hammock. Also, I will be replacing my food bag with a bear vault. I believe shortly it will be a requirement on the trail. Come see me!
Too Many AT Hiker
Ah, I sleep so well in my hammock. I’m excited for you.
The bear vault addition makes me sad though. They are so very heavy, but I think you may be right that they will be required soon.
I always thought I’d stick a piece of sit-pad to the top of a bear vault and at least be able to use it as a dedicated camp chair if it came to that.
I’d like to make an overnight happen sometime soon! I need to get out and fish too.
SongBird Ultralight , I am going to the Foothills Trail the last week in May. I am looking at the Bearikade which has one at 31oz and is 650cubic inches I think. The problem is it costs around $300. The Bear Vault is 500 cubic inches and weighs 40oz or so but costs $75. The BV 500 has an issue with the top being hard to unscrew due to having to depress the latches on the lid. Which is an issue for an old man like me. Yeah, I will use it for a table or stool around camp. I think using one is very responsible to take care of our resources such as bears and critters. You could always come over and fish Guntersville Lake.
@@cottontalesfromthetrail5474 Hammocks can be extremely lightweight options... Hummingbirdhammocks you can get a single person hammock, tarp, and their long version treestraps, for a combined weight of 424g/16oz, and costs $240. 40$ more if you also want their 226g/8oz bugnet, but just bringing a headnet could also be an option to save weight and money...
This 424g/16oz hammock setup is almost the same weight as the 150g "Ortovox Bivy Ultralight" + the 250g Thermarest "uberlite" sleeping pads..! Really dont get any more lightweight than this (unless you start making sacrifices and go for a small size sleeping pad, or an ultralight foam pad, or skip the bivy)..!
For insulation, i just use my sleeping bag (slightly wider and a bit longer than i normally use), modified with a 1" hole in the bottom, so i can run the hammock through, and use the sleeping bag as a mummy pod/cocoon around the hammock. A BIT heavier than i would need with tents or bivys, but at least better than 2 quilts, and it makes it really easy to get in and out of the hammock, as i can just get in and slide the sleeping bag over me. I like it so much i have been sleeping like that at home for the last 10 months :)
Espen Haug thank you so much for helping me!
what about coooking?
Craig Campbell thank you for your question.
I don’t really cook anymore on trail. I just eat stuff that doesn’t have to be cooked, like what you might eat for lunch on the go.
A big part of it is not having to use most of my water every night for cooking if I am away from a water source. Another thing that’s nice is never having to clean out a pot after cooking in it.
In terms of logistics, I never have to go looking for fuel when I do my resupplies. Sometimes it can be a pain to find fuel canisters or fuel for alcohol stoves.
So that stuff sack holds my spoon and food. Without the cook pot, stove, and fuel there’s a lot more room in my food bag for additional food items as well.
I think I easily get another 2 days worth of food into my stuff-sack with the extra space. Those two days could be the difference between being able to walk a 70 mile section or being able to make 100 miles between resupplies. Not only that, but it also lets you be a little more choosy about which towns you want to get into, which can affect the overall quality of your hike tremendously.
None of that’s really a big deal until someone is a few months into walking and maybe starts to resent all the extra work that tends to be tied into cooking.
Thank you again for your comment and for supporting the channel with your viewership!
Birds are talking it up haha
Ohbezy everyone was happy about it being spring time.
Did you mention the base weight or did I miss it? Don't think I could do without a hip strap. I remember the first time I used a fully loaded pack I didn't know that the hip strap needed to be firm. When my friend suggested tightening it - wow, what a difference! The pack was quite heavy though.
fogeshan
I’m not sure I did.
It was about 5 pounds. Max I ever loaded it up with on my last 600 mile section was 18 lbs with food/water for a 7 day section.
Most of the time I was under 10 lbs.
Edit: thanks for subbing :)
@@songbirdultralight7384 Thanks for the feedback! Please consider adding metric numbers as well in your videos, international viewers would greatly appreciate it :)
fogeshan
Thank you for your suggestion :)
Another subscriber requested metric numbers be included as well, and so I’ve made a commitment to include metric measurements in my future videos.
Cheers!
@@songbirdultralight7384 Awesome, thanks!
Were do you buy
Mr Bird a question from the UK do you sacrifice comfort for weight ? Many thanks
Mr. Benson 5,
No. My summer kit is very comfortable for the conditions I use it in.
lighterpack.com/r/1swtlg
Thank you for your question.
-SB
A nice Kelty Trekker External Frame Backpack 3950 is the way to go ...
You have no clothes except what you are wearing?
Heidi Boraski
Yep! I only brought the clothes I was wearing. (Kilt, underwear, socks, t-shirt, hat, and buff.) I did laundry at hostels around once a week when I went in to town for food resupply. I bring long johns to change into at night in the colder months, and have carried spare clothes in the past, but the smell doesn’t improve as much as you would think with changes of clothes.
Hostels usually have loaner-clothes for hikers to wear around town so they don’t smell as bad and can wash all of their stuff at once.
If your food bag gets wet overnight, how do you keep your insulation dry when you pack everything back up?
Bob Preis,
My food bag gets wet pretty much every night that it rains. The food bag will also get soaked if there is heavy dew overnight.
I will usually shake the bag, wipe most of the water off with my hands, and stand it up under my tarp somewhere while I dig through it to eat breakfast.
(Video example of eating breakfast in the rain) Camping on the AT video skip to time stamp58:17- ruclips.net/video/B2zvkgsqTvs/видео.html
If the material is still wet or damp after eating, I wipe it with my buff (head covering) or my kilt (if I’m wearing it). The kilt is great for stuff like this as it dries quickly.
If it’s still a little damp despite wiping it off I don’t worry about it (summer kit) since a little dampness doesn’t bother my synthetic quilt in the slightest, and there’s really nothing else to worry about in my pack.
In the colder months and/or with sensitive equipment (down quilt/bag) I can wipe it off and flip it inside out so the damp side is on the inside when I close it up.
My food bag went the entire distance of the AT without being replaced, so it’s a little beat up. I’ve got some pin hole leaks that I could patch, and I think it could use with a layer of DWR treatment.
The waterproofing hasn’t failed, aside from the pin hole leaks, but the outer fabric does tend towards staying damp (wet out) after being wiped off.
Maybe I’ll just retire it to lighter duty.
Thank you for your comments. Happy New Year.
@@songbirdultralight7384 Thank you for the thoughtful reply. Your channel offers very helpful and concentrated information. Thanks for taking the time to edit your videos and packing so much information into each one. I definitely need to go back through and watch each one again as I'm trying to switch from UL hammock to UL tarp/bivy and struggling with side sleeping.
I've decided I need to switch from the Z-Lite CCF pad to the Sea to Summit UL Insulated Mat. For a pillow, I'm using the Amazon Trekology pillow (S2S Aeros knock-off), which doesn't seem "tall" enough to support my head while side-sleeping. Do you have recommendations for a pillow for broad-shouldered side-sleepers? Thanks!
Dyneema Dreama
Thank you for the very nice comment!
I have only ever used the s2s aeros (I think small size) as a camp pillow. I know I’ve seen pillows that were taller than mine, but they were much larger in overall size.
This may be the kind of thing it where it would take a trip to a store to find a pillow that’s at the right height.
I sometimes will put a puffy jacket or some extra clothing (in 3 season kits) on top of my pillow for a little extra height.
I take it the nickname songbird is ironic.
Nick Tombs
How’s that?
Look up the meaning of irony and then see if you can work it out yourself
@@nicktombs1876 I think he knows what "irony" means but doesn't know what context you're referring to? I know what it means and struggling to know what is in your mind.
@@Adam_Outdoors that's a shame
@@nicktombs1876 Ok thanks for confirming you're just an idiot out trollin and can't even explain his own BS.