Just a quick FYI. The guys at Core Vens wanted me to let you know that a lot of people ended up emailing them about Firearms Specific policies. They are a little backlogged on emails as a result so don’t think they have forgot about you. Thanks
Hello can you fellas contact Owen Benjamin and do a pod cast with him please? He still refers to mags as clips. Don’t be to hard on him he is new to the firearms world. Thanks fellas.
Thanks Eric. We're working on it daily. Thanks to all the people who have reached out to us via email or phone. We appreciate the opportunity to help you and will be in touch. Tim Hartsock
Not long ago (like half a year) two guys stole a gunsafe here in Sweden. They took it to there garage to open, they took there angle grinder and started cut it open, the owner to the safe had four pounds of gunpowder in the safe for reloading, the thing exploded and blew the leg clean of one of they guys. You got to love Karma
Clean them, oil/grease them, tell them you love them and will miss them, place them in a safe at the back of the closet with room for them to breath and a couple descant bags. Make sure you bolt your safe to something so no one can steal them. Then build a false wall in the back of your closet with 16-22” centers. Next, cut out a door somewhere in your new wall and build shelving on it to conceal your entrance. Hinges on the inside are easier to hide but mind what side you place them on. Check on them regularly to make sure no one is getting lonely. Thanks
It's jus the cost for me as I'm building my house ATM, n living n my RV on my land during.ight be another year n here so I'm seriously thinking bout it.. jus that cost to do it right n be hid n safe n secured
That is the perfect plan. I got swatted a while back and they be lined for my safe, cracked and stole everything I had. These days its not so much burglars. Its the government we need to hide stuff from.
That would be your local SWAT team. Look what they have done to us at Waco twice, Weaver and the worst was Miller vs the US. Because, Miller vanished and so did our rights. Want to know more about it. Read "Unintended Consequences" By John Ross. If you own guns you need to read it. Just a vet who called a friend. Had some suicidal thoughts. I got half the towns police department here when they heard Vet with guns. Talk about a mess in life. If my stuff had been hidden instead of in my safe. They wouldn't find anything with their magnets. When I get my rights and my stuff back. It will never be in a safe again. Hide away safes are best. Painting on the wall, coffee tables, hell anything you can dream up that nobody would know. Or think to look. Be safe.
I remember when I was young people would drive around with rifles and shotguns in the back window rack of their trucks, and nobody thought anything of it, or broke into the vehicles. We've come a long (wrong) way....
Yep, you could carry a shotgun or rifle in your truck hanging on the rack and park it in the high school parking lot and not even worry about some nut job mass shooter.
One day you'll come home to a nasty note from a thwarted thief. "Dear homeowner. Please clean your house; I couldn't find any of the stuff I had planned to steal. At least make it a fair fight. Sincerely, Senator Dianne Feinstein."
So just to get this straight, it isn't acceptable to literally pile my guns in the corners of my house since my safes are full? Because safes cost money, money I could be spending on even more guns.
I'm old enough to remember when people had gun racks and their kids actually listened to them about gun safety and didn't touch their guns unless hunting or home security.
@@redpillpirate111 exactly. We even carried them to school to go hunting after school as teens. Never was a school shooting back then that I'm aware of.
@@greensquall2264 I'm not sure how you were raised but I knew better than to touch a gun as a kid. When I was a teenager and was taught gun safety from the time I was old enough then yes I was allowed to hunt without my dad. But we honestly knew better. Maybe it's just my little town but around here we never had a kid shooting someone . No school shootings or anything like that. And it never even crossed my not my friends mind to even touch guns at each others house.
When I purchased my gun safe I didn’t worry too much about fire safety for the same reason you guys have. I have 2 FD within 5 from my home. I did however try to get something as waterproof as my budget allowed, I live down in Miami and we get floods from hurricanes every couple years. Keep up these awesome videos! You guys are on a roll with these topics!
I have a gun room that was an office I had all the drywall removed and sprayed entirely with fire rated foam and a metal gun safe type door. I built it all myself and it’s a nice setup. I use the secure it gun walls like y’all have. It’s my dream setup and I love it. I do also have a small safe in the room for my really sentimental guns and another for my ammo.
I've had a Liberty Lincoln for 20 years and I outgrew it about 10 years ago. I was fortunate enough to be able to keep that safe and purchase a much larger one. I got a good deal on my second safe (a Summit Denali) which is the same size as my double door refrigerator. Believe it or not... I actually need another safe!
Switzerland has less firearm regulations than the U.S. and their violent crime rate is one of the lowest in the world. Although there are many variables for why that is .
Less regulations, but more stringent ones. Many developed countries have guns everywhere (e.g. Slovenia, Iceland, Czech Republic), but little gun crime because they vet all potential gun owners. Bans on semi-automatics are ineffective, just compare Australia to New Zealand. In every experiment, you need a control group. Australia banned semi-automatics, whilst New Zealand only put a magazine capacity limit (still unnecessary though). Both saw reductions in crime and suicide rates throughout the late 90's to today. In the end, it reflects that something else drove the rates down, not restrictions on guns.
@@brianandrews2519 that's just straight up bs. There are 2,5 million privately owned firearms in Switzerland, compared to about 300 million in the US. Granted, that the US is a tiny bit bigger than Switzerland, but still, there are about 0,3 firearms per inhabitant, whereas in the US, it's almost 1. Also, owning firearms in Europe means a lot more training and really thorough checkups before you can own one, so idiots and street thugs can't really get their hands on one.
I use graphite does not collect dust or dirt makes actions slippery and also waterproof Easy to service. San Diego Ca. NOTE: National Rifle Association offers firearm insurance if you’re a member, Free
As a newer owner and enthusiast, your videos are fantastic and I always take away some great information. Currently shopping for a safe and this really helped put in perspective what I really need and the questions I need to ask.
I'm planning a studio in a spare room I have here shortly and this is all great information for musical instruments. I know Eric plays guitar and he brought it up already. It's super important. I've lived in so many houses where I haven't been able to properly take care of my guitars and basses, and I just can't wait to make a room dedicated to it with proper heating and cooling, humidifier and dehumidifier!
Still missing 16 guns. They tore the floor out of the house that it was bolted down to . The safe was found in the next county with the back cut out of it. These guys were watching the stores that sold the safes ,and following people home then watching their habits. The detectives finally listened to me and checked out some guys that were selling gun parts . Turned out their sale list was matching a dozen or so safe robberies in the aria. All the safes were purchased at the same store over a six month time frame.
I've become an expert at gun safe tetris, i dont have the rod but I keep a bunch on industrial desiccant packs in there and they've worked really well over the years getting replaced from time to time.
I am in an apartment and limited on space, bought a Winchester Bandit series(made in US) and couldn't be happier for the money. Have many rifles and 4 handguns just with stock shelving, will upgrade once more guns find there way into my life.
I’m a sport shooter for over 10 years and living in Germany. Over here it’s pretty normal to store your guns in a safe separate from your ammunition. My guns are stored in a weapons safe, ammunition in a separate one, eben my airguns are stored in a steel closet. Every one of them is bolted to the walls and floor of the basement with heavy duty screw anchors (about 10 tons each) and some of the safes are bolted to each other. And if this isn’t enough, my safes are Locke’s up into a separate room with a fire door... I have a peace of mind about that issue!
@@sepulati0n In most countries, you're not allowed to defend yourself using a firearm (I know... I know...). In Germany, like in Canada, guns must be unloaded and locked at all times.
sepulati0n I’m pretty good at defending myself without using firearms and beyond that, it’s my house and I know it like the back of my hand. But here in Germany it’s pretty uncommon that someone breaks in your house, armed to the teeth in the middle of the night... so no need for a loaded gut in every room.
7:38 I am a mobile locksmith, the big fire we had near Ashland Oregon 2 years ago.... I was hired to open a gun safe. The safe was in the ground floor in the garage. I used a reciprocating saw and cut into the back of the safe, 12" x 24" and I pulled out 60 guns and handed to the owner. In the upper shelf was all hand guns. Ones stored in plastic boxes were a real mess, plastic melted to the guns. However the hand guns store in cardboard boxes - amazingly survived. The cardboard box was scorched and guns discolored. All the ammo fired off. Down below at bottom of the safe the rifle stocks were in good shape but the uppers and barrels all discolored. The fire protection in the safe was 2 sheets of drywall 5/8" thick.
EPA Temperature and Humidity regulations are 68-76 degrees and 30%-60% relative humidity, these are great guidelines to follow for everything from health to woodworking to storing your precious collectables
Humidity has been a lot easier to regulate than heat. I have found that i trust a lone dehumidifier in a storage closet much more than a lone unit heater
We keep our house at 68-69 year round. SW Louisiana and humidity is crazy high year round. Makes for super cold winters. Our house is insanely well insulated so central unit maintains 50-55% humidity easily. Keeps guitars and guns great. No neck warps or fretboard delamination and zero rust on all the firearms. Only time I get worried is Winter. We NEVER run our furnace, and if the house gets below 65 we will run the gas fireplace for about three hours tops. When we do run the fireplace, it is literally the only time of the year that I put my guitars in their case…. I actually changed my personal closet door for a solid core door and installed a electronic deadbolt on it. Beats the hell out of a heavy safe and my firearms are easy to access for only me. The habit to keep the door locked was picked up in a day, and the biggest safety device I have was teaching my children from the time they could understand the importance of gun safety and letting them shoot all the time with me to keep their curiosity at bay.
BlAckH0le born and raised in the san Francisco bay area...what a poop hole SF is...California on the whole use to be a great place to live. The libtards have taken over. The gun laws suck worse than Madonna on election night
Great video. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and experience. It's such a benefit for us younger gun enthusiasts who maybe didn't grow up around a lot of guns and don't have that generational knowledge that so many take for granted. Thanks again, and take care.
Indeed it does tally up quick, got my licence down here in New Zealand in 2016, now have 8 rifles worth a total of about 12k NZD. Really need more than just the cabinet at this point.
A residential structure fire can reach 1,400 degrees F. So when you think about it a metal box of any kind (gun cabinet, safes, or whatever) would become an oven. Also, it varies with how long it takes for the fire to be put out. There is a lot of variables that go into play. Not saying safes aren't a good option, just don't expect them to protect against a lot of heat. Plastic melts at 212 - 491 degrees F, and the ignition point of most woods are between 190 and 260 degrees F.
Thank you so much for mentioning rifle rods. I forgot they existed, and I'm in the beginning stages of making a (hopefully awesome) gun cabinet, and was in the process of creating a creative way to hold my guns vertical, since their heights vary a lot. Rifle rods will work perfect! Thanks again!
Great video and nice to see Chad getting equal time. Excellent on mentioning Core Vens as well. Safes, Vaults and other manner of secure storage, for me, are 'buy once, cry once'. Basically get the best protection you can afford and have it installed properly in the best, most secure location in your home. As Eric said security is about making it take as long as possible for a determined individual to get to and get into.
In the UK police come out and inspect gun cabinets to ensure they are securely fitted to the wall. For bolt guns the bolts have to be stored in a separate locked cabinet and they can call over unannounced for an inspection, if your wife doesn't have a license she better not tell them she knows where the key is.
That seems like over kill, in Australia you need a safe that's dyno bolted down and you give the police a copy of the plans of the house and where the safe is located, this is because we have domestic violence issues so if the police are called to you house they know fire arms could be involved and where to locate and secure them.
Sounds a bit like 🇨🇦 I bought a vault I had to engineer a place for in my home. No brainer if a zealous prosecutor assessed me a vulnerable party to a heinous crime. Discovery legal fees cover the cost. Trust me, I’ve been through the mill. Knox safes Utah ... rule
i put my safe in my bedroom closet with two sheets of 3/4" plywood under it to help the floor. I made sure it was over three studs to spread the weight out. I also put a steel plate under the floor for the bolts to grab on to with washers on the bolts and nuts so they can't pull through. Good luck prying that out. I tend to overdo everything but it's better than under doing it. I find the closet is the best simply because its out of sight, out of mind!
Also a great idea to have your firearms insured and included in your homeowners or renters insurence policy. All my firearms and my gun safe is included in my policy.
The NRA did a bunch of testing on this years ago and have written about it, additionally I found that several museums agree with them that 50% humidity is perfect. Yes location makes a huge difference. My safe keeps the humidity level is right at that 47-50% level. I have had zero issues with humidity. I use the rifle rods also, they are great! Good vid as usual, keep it up.
When I'm not using my AK I just burry it in the back yard for storage, then I put a big Rock over the hole for security since I live in a state with safe storage laws. When I'm ready to go shooting I move the rock and let my dog dig up the rifle. Usually I can just shake off the dirt and go, but sometimes it gets extra muddy and I have to hose it off so I don't get my hands all slimy.
Both of mine are Armor Vault Safes out of OKC. Good price and made of plate steel small one is 1/8 inch with 3/16 door 550lbs, big one is 1/4 inch 725lbs. Love them!
You can buy silica packs designed to maintain specific relative humidity. They are made by a company called Boveda and very popular for cigar humidors. They can be 'recharged' by soaking in water or 'dried' by throwing in the microwave. The bigger the space the more/bigger packs you put in. Very easy to maintain exactly long term!
@That grey area Most of mine are loaded lol! Dry practice lol. If you can't hit a man size target at 7-10 yards you need to just give up! I can pick up a rock at 7-10 yards and smoke someone in the face lol! You see these people on the internet shooting close its like WTF. I practice at 25 yards lol! Aim small miss small!
@That grey area Not talking trash just telling my story and how I rationalize my state of readiness! I can hit deer running wide open thru the hard woods at 50 yard with a rifle and shot trap for 20 years with our teams with multiple championship wins. Pistol is easy as pie lol!
@@viniboo185 I have locked 2 doors they would have to break thru to get into my house and by that time they are going to be in range lol! What is nice about my area. They know everyone is armed in the north woods. Literally everyone in town has guns NOT EVEN JOKING and the criminals know its a bad Idea to break into homes.. They usually break into cabins out in the woods not houses! But at the point someone has a 12g pointed at my head I will comply lol. Hopefully a opportunity presents itself to get or draw a firearm without your head exploding from shot! LOL I can tell you 99% of people cannot draw on someone that already is at the ready with finger on the trigger.. Them odds are not good!!
For unfinished wood rub in some Boiled Linseed Oil available at any hardware store. This will keep The wood from drying out. It makes wood darker and raises the grain while leaving a glossy sheen. Dispose of the oily day outdoors because the rag with the oil is subject to spontaneous combustion (fire) Works on kitchen cabinets and guitar fingerboards. Lemon oil is fine too, but will not raise the grain and make it darker as Linseed oil does. Even shovel handles made of wood too!
I reside in a 2nd floor apartment, weight was a MAJOR factor for my decision to go with a Stack-On Double Door Gun Cabinet. Can store all my long guns on one side, ammo and accessories on the other.
One problem that all gun owners have never been able to protect guns from is the horrible boating accidents. I foresee a pandemic of boating accidents coming.
Hey guys i agree on what you guys suggested for most areas of the country. I live in AZ we have minor humidity and dryness. if your firearms are kept in the house with a controlled temp year round there is never a issue of too damp or to dry....just saying. I lightly oil my collection and have never seen cracks in wood or surface rust.
Love the info guys. People need reminding that simply using relative humidity is incorrect because it is relative to altitude and temperature. For instance at 7000' here in Colorado the amount of water in a cubic meter of air is about half of the number of grams of water/cubic meter at 500 feet. In the Arid SW USA, you need more humidity than 45% relative in the Winter time. So what to do? Purchase a humidity gauge that reads Absolute humidity! Absolute humidity is NOT related to altitude and air temp. Use it! I own several string instruments also. 3 guitars cracked the year I moved to CO because i was listening to the weather man and only had a normal (relative humidity) gauge. Get an absolute humidity gauge!
DEHUMIDIFIERS can be found for a reasonable price with small pumps built into them. The tiny tubing is similar to fish tank tubing, very flexible. These units can run continuously w/o emptying if plumbed through a wall to outside. Very simple.
One company I would suggest checking out is SnapSafe. I have two of their safes, and they are fireproof and also able to be dismantled for easy moving. They deliver it in pieces so you can easily move the pieces around if you have any strength. In my old house, I was able to move all of the pieces down to my basement and using dehumidifiers, was able to keep all rust off of them. I was able to move these two safes in pieces to my new house 1.6kM away in Georgia with no issues. Despite what they are saying, I've had no issues with low humidity in Georgia...had lot lower humidity in KC.
I'll add that what they mentioned about putting safes on outside edges of your house is totally correct. As someone who always had their safes in the basement, I moved to Georgia and put a few of my safes in a closet and within a year, I have started noticing some settling in that area of the house. I quickly moved those safes to other areas.
Beware of unscrupulous movers. My safe was dropped during a move. When the mover arrived, my safe wasn't even tied down in the truck. It was only wedged between wardrobe boxes. One side of the safe was badly scratched and the enamel chip from raising it with a hand truck. The moving crew was one guy for a 550 pound safe. His total equipment was a $20 dolly to get the safe into the house. We only got the safe in the house with my plywood and my wooden blocks to scale the one step. Without the plywood and blocks, it would of been left in the driveway. One of the tile of the walkway into the entrance cracked from the dolly, not a cheap fix. If the safe would of fell on the dial, it would of been junk.
I just bought my first safe and it weighs 375 pounds. I also have a step up to get into my house as well as a step down once inside and it was a pain but got it in. Sorry your situation sucked so bad
I just researched this. The Liberty Safes company was bought and safes up to $3k I saw, have composite doors. With the price of steel safe companies or looking for other materials are their prices are much higher. Some safe resellers have nothing to sell. Browning and American Rebel were the two best safes I found in my area with real steel doors. Make sure it's well bolted down. Mine is on hockey pucks so the bottom doesn't rust and 6inch bolts into concrete.
I normally don’t make it through long videos, I just don’t seem to have the time, but this is a GREAT video!!! Tons of good information. I use Ballistol on my forearms every time that I handle one. It works well for that and I can use it on everything from an AR to a Brown Bess. And I keep everything in gun socks, which means that I’ve spent way too much on socks.
Love your channel and appreciate this informative video! How about one for storing guns when renting? I can't go tearing out walls or anything like that, but would still like to keep everything secure.
Great video guys!! May I suggest one subject about vaults that might be worthwhile to mention? With a good (heavy) vault, even if bolted to a concrete basement floor, there is still the possibility of a nasty tip-over. Especially if that heavy door is open, with bad luck the whole vault, with your valued firearm collection, could tip forward and come crashing down, hopefully not on anyone you love, like the grandson you were showing 'his' future firearm to. Rig an anti-tipover device to prevent that. Thanks for listening.
Fluid Film is BY FAR the best for long term storage. You guys can thank me now for not having to listen to Eric say "guys" 500 times in a 35 min video.
For long storage. Use grease, then cover with plastic or gun sock For short storage to keep around for security. Keep it oiled up and check up every few other month.
There are a couple of different ways to talk about moisture content in the air. Relative humidity is a percentage of moisture content in the air, at the current temperature, relative to a condition where condensation can form. It's handy because it communicates how humid it "feels" to anything with sweat glands across a range of temperatures. Dew point is the temperature you'd have to drop down to in order to get the current moisture content in the air to form condensation. This is a more direct statement of just how much moisture is in the air, and it's a more meteorological term. What you have to do to protect your guns is make sure your guns are always above the dew point. You can do this by either lowering the dew point (using desiccant bags that have a limited capacity before they become saturated) or by heating your guns (using a golden rod or similar device.) The former really only works if you've got a sealed container where new moisture isn't being introduced from the environment.
Anyone else see the irony of them discussing storage... in front of a wall of exposed, unsecure (no trigger locks, just sitting on hooks) guns just hanging off the wall?
In Australia we have to store bolt action, air, lever action and double barrels in a safe with a wall thickness if 3mm. For semi automatic and pump actions they need to be in a safe of wall thickness 6mm. Both must have ammo stored separately with bolts out or action broken.
Wow guys, great video. I learned a whole bunch. I have a huge safe, but I need some way to store more rifles. The Rifle Rods is exactly what I needed. I am glad you covered the humidity part too, I have a bunch of people that ask me that question, but now I can send them to this video. You covered everything that gun owners need to know about securing their weapons, either it be theft, fire, moisture, etc... Once again, thank you very much!
Dude, is your profile pic a Chevy Vega Kammback, 1972 maybe??? Pretty cool, man! Did you throw a 350 in it? Anyway, I dig it, brother. The green is cool, too.
Don't forget to keep a list of serial numbers, makes and models in case something does happen. Especially when you have a very large collection and have multiples of the same gun. I have gone through my safes several times to find a gun I forgot i had. lol
Toby Wallace why ? What if they force everyone to store their guns ? I know people who leave them out for defensive and display purposes and never been an issue. You shouldn’t need to worry about someone breaking into your house, So going with logic I take it you keep tobacco, alcohol and drugs locked up? Since they are more dangerous, or your car even?
Here in NZ - the rule is 'a container of Stout and Sturdy construction' - but Ammo and Firearms can't be stored together - I've got a 2 compartment safe - one holds the Firearm, the other holds Bolts and Ammo - Safe is bolted to the house and has a deadbolt door to access it.
Excellent video as always . I will 2nd that LPS #3 and Corrosion X are awesome for long term storage of ANY metal that will not let them rust. If I remember correct It passes the 2000 hr salt spray test. It is used by major airlines airframe mechanics and military. It is the next best thing to being packed in cosmoline !
Just a quick FYI. The guys at Core Vens wanted me to let you know that a lot of people ended up emailing them about Firearms Specific policies. They are a little backlogged on emails as a result so don’t think they have forgot about you. Thanks
Hello can you fellas contact Owen Benjamin and do a pod cast with him please? He still refers to mags as clips. Don’t be to hard on him he is new to the firearms world. Thanks fellas.
Thanks Eric. We're working on it daily. Thanks to all the people who have reached out to us via email or phone. We appreciate the opportunity to help you and will be in touch. Tim Hartsock
😂😂😂 this made my day
Charles Smith hell yeah dude! He lives in my town! He gets it!
Just wondering have you ever had a firearm stolen from you guys
Not long ago (like half a year) two guys stole a gunsafe here in Sweden. They took it to there garage to open, they took there angle grinder and started cut it open, the owner to the safe had four pounds of gunpowder in the safe for reloading, the thing exploded and blew the leg clean of one of they guys. You got to love Karma
Clean them, oil/grease them, tell them you love them and will miss them, place them in a safe at the back of the closet with room for them to breath and a couple descant bags. Make sure you bolt your safe to something so no one can steal them. Then build a false wall in the back of your closet with 16-22” centers. Next, cut out a door somewhere in your new wall and build shelving on it to conceal your entrance. Hinges on the inside are easier to hide but mind what side you place them on. Check on them regularly to make sure no one is getting lonely. Thanks
It's jus the cost for me as I'm building my house ATM, n living n my RV on my land during.ight be another year n here so I'm seriously thinking bout it.. jus that cost to do it right n be hid n safe n secured
That is the perfect plan. I got swatted a while back and they be lined for my safe, cracked and stole everything I had. These days its not so much burglars. Its the government we need to hide stuff from.
That would be your local SWAT team. Look what they have done to us at Waco twice, Weaver and the worst was Miller vs the US. Because, Miller vanished and so did our rights.
Want to know more about it. Read "Unintended Consequences" By John Ross.
If you own guns you need to read it.
Just a vet who called a friend. Had some suicidal thoughts. I got half the towns police department here when they heard Vet with guns.
Talk about a mess in life. If my stuff had been hidden instead of in my safe. They wouldn't find anything with their magnets.
When I get my rights and my stuff back. It will never be in a safe again. Hide away safes are best. Painting on the wall, coffee tables, hell anything you can dream up that nobody would know. Or think to look.
Be safe.
nrm3247 Also make sure none of your guns dig a tunnel to escape
Thanks for summing up this video.
I've got two safes now. Need a 3rd, honestly the only thing saving me now is all those years of playing tetris as a kid.
I have 17 gun cases now prob need 23
same rn i got 16 guns in a 6 gun cabinet
I strive to be like you one day
Wish I could do that, in from the UK... 👎
Congratulations
I remember when I was young people would drive around with rifles and shotguns in the back window rack of their trucks, and nobody thought anything of it, or broke into the vehicles.
We've come a long (wrong) way....
Yep, you could carry a shotgun or rifle in your truck hanging on the rack and park it in the high school parking lot and not even worry about some nut job mass shooter.
Those were the dayss
Blame social media and terrible parenting
@@RockyTop1911 Without locking the door.
That was back when we were taught right from wrong!
A thief can't get to my safe because I can't get to my safe. I need to clean my house.
lol best reason to make one's treasures look like one man's trash
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One day you'll come home to a nasty note from a thwarted thief. "Dear homeowner. Please clean your house; I couldn't find any of the stuff I had planned to steal. At least make it a fair fight. Sincerely, Senator Dianne Feinstein."
Or NY
lol!
So just to get this straight, it isn't acceptable to literally pile my guns in the corners of my house since my safes are full? Because safes cost money, money I could be spending on even more guns.
At least hide them under your bed or something.
Exactly good sir. Well point made
You can clean out fridge of the old left overs and keep a few handguns in there. . .
Fake news!! My safe is full and the guns in the corner don't mind being on display.
Beds the first place a thief would look
I'm old enough to remember when people had gun racks and their kids actually listened to them about gun safety and didn't touch their guns unless hunting or home security.
Bull. Children have always been curious. Nothing's changed.
In their trucks at that...
@@redpillpirate111 exactly. We even carried them to school to go hunting after school as teens. Never was a school shooting back then that I'm aware of.
@@greensquall2264 I'm not sure how you were raised but I knew better than to touch a gun as a kid. When I was a teenager and was taught gun safety from the time I was old enough then yes I was allowed to hunt without my dad. But we honestly knew better. Maybe it's just my little town but around here we never had a kid shooting someone . No school shootings or anything like that. And it never even crossed my not my friends mind to even touch guns at each others house.
Fear of a whupping trumps curiosity most times. Back when people spanked their kids and they turned out to be decent humans.
I own an AK so i just dig a hole in the backyard and throw it in ...
big bad Jones not if it’s a century or I.O
@@Sumdude11 no joke.
@mmukdadi thanks. I corrected that.
big bad Jones lol’d so hard
@@Sumdude11 Don't remind me.
When I purchased my gun safe I didn’t worry too much about fire safety for the same reason you guys have. I have 2 FD within 5 from my home. I did however try to get something as waterproof as my budget allowed, I live down in Miami and we get floods from hurricanes every couple years. Keep up these awesome videos! You guys are on a roll with these topics!
I have a gun room that was an office I had all the drywall removed and sprayed entirely with fire rated foam and a metal gun safe type door. I built it all myself and it’s a nice setup. I use the secure it gun walls like y’all have. It’s my dream setup and I love it. I do also have a small safe in the room for my really sentimental guns and another for my ammo.
I've had a Liberty Lincoln for 20 years and I outgrew it about 10 years ago. I was fortunate enough to be able to keep that safe and purchase a much larger one. I got a good deal on my second safe (a Summit Denali) which is the same size as my double door refrigerator.
Believe it or not... I actually need another safe!
You’re my hero
I'm from India and i don't own any firearms but learnt a lot about keeping my valuable stuff safe. Thanks, Eric and Chad!
They need to repeal the NFA & Hughes amendment.
Switzerland has less firearm regulations than the U.S. and their violent crime rate is one of the lowest in the world. Although there are many variables for why that is .
Yeah, I wonder why that is.
Could happen after the 19th goes
Less regulations, but more stringent ones. Many developed countries have guns everywhere (e.g. Slovenia, Iceland, Czech Republic), but little gun crime because they vet all potential gun owners. Bans on semi-automatics are ineffective, just compare Australia to New Zealand. In every experiment, you need a control group. Australia banned semi-automatics, whilst New Zealand only put a magazine capacity limit (still unnecessary though). Both saw reductions in crime and suicide rates throughout the late 90's to today. In the end, it reflects that something else drove the rates down, not restrictions on guns.
@@brianandrews2519 that's just straight up bs. There are 2,5 million privately owned firearms in Switzerland, compared to about 300 million in the US. Granted, that the US is a tiny bit bigger than Switzerland, but still, there are about 0,3 firearms per inhabitant, whereas in the US, it's almost 1. Also, owning firearms in Europe means a lot more training and really thorough checkups before you can own one, so idiots and street thugs can't really get their hands on one.
I keep mine in a safe. It's extra safe because I closed my eyes when I set my combination. I haven't been to the range in years.
What? 🤣🤣🤣
I use graphite does not collect dust or dirt makes actions slippery and also waterproof Easy to service. San Diego Ca. NOTE: National Rifle Association offers firearm insurance if you’re a member, Free
As a newer owner and enthusiast, your videos are fantastic and I always take away some great information. Currently shopping for a safe and this really helped put in perspective what I really need and the questions I need to ask.
I'm planning a studio in a spare room I have here shortly and this is all great information for musical instruments. I know Eric plays guitar and he brought it up already. It's super important. I've lived in so many houses where I haven't been able to properly take care of my guitars and basses, and I just can't wait to make a room dedicated to it with proper heating and cooling, humidifier and dehumidifier!
Silica packs help with keeping stuff dry helps keep moisture away.
I went to Petsmart and bought a bag of pure silica kitty litter.
Nice to see you take the time to check the gun and if it is not loaded.
Be safe and not sorry, check one-time extra and do not get sorry.
Still missing 16 guns. They tore the floor out of the house that it was bolted down to . The safe was found in the next county with the back cut out of it. These guys were watching the stores that sold the safes ,and following people home then watching their habits. The detectives finally listened to me and checked out some guys that were selling gun parts . Turned out their sale list was matching a dozen or so safe robberies in the aria. All the safes were purchased at the same store over a six month time frame.
I've become an expert at gun safe tetris, i dont have the rod but I keep a bunch on industrial desiccant packs in there and they've worked really well over the years getting replaced from time to time.
I don't always comment on your uploads but I watch everyone and always give a 'like.' We all appreciate you guys giving us helpful content.
I am in an apartment and limited on space, bought a Winchester Bandit series(made in US) and couldn't be happier for the money. Have many rifles and 4 handguns just with stock shelving, will upgrade once more guns find there way into my life.
Wish they wouldn’t have fell to the bottom of the lake last summer when the canoe flipped over :(
How many guns did you bring in a canoe?
It’s not the amount, I’m just a bad canoeist! Time and time again, accident after accident, just bad luck really...
There are two things I come to RUclips for, gun videos and guitar videos finding out you guys have a guitar channel just made my week!
Thanks Marc we are working very hard on the music channel!
I’m a sport shooter for over 10 years and living in Germany.
Over here it’s pretty normal to store your guns in a safe separate from your ammunition.
My guns are stored in a weapons safe, ammunition in a separate one, eben my airguns are stored in a steel closet. Every one of them is bolted to the walls and floor of the basement with heavy duty screw anchors (about 10 tons each) and some of the safes are bolted to each other.
And if this isn’t enough, my safes are Locke’s up into a separate room with a fire door...
I have a peace of mind about that issue!
Isn't that the law though?
So what do ya do when 5 bad guys break in at 3:00 am?? Pray?
@@sepulati0n In most countries, you're not allowed to defend yourself using a firearm (I know... I know...). In Germany, like in Canada, guns must be unloaded and locked at all times.
sepulati0n
I’m pretty good at defending myself without using firearms and beyond that, it’s my house and I know it like the back of my hand.
But here in Germany it’s pretty uncommon that someone breaks in your house, armed to the teeth in the middle of the night... so no need for a loaded gut in every room.
You Know It yes. 👍
7:38 I am a mobile locksmith, the big fire we had near Ashland Oregon 2 years ago.... I was hired to open a gun safe. The safe was in the ground floor in the garage. I used a reciprocating saw and cut into the back of the safe, 12" x 24" and I pulled out 60 guns and handed to the owner. In the upper shelf was all hand guns. Ones stored in plastic boxes were a real mess, plastic melted to the guns. However the hand guns store in cardboard boxes - amazingly survived. The cardboard box was scorched and guns discolored. All the ammo fired off. Down below at bottom of the safe the rifle stocks were in good shape but the uppers and barrels all discolored. The fire protection in the safe was 2 sheets of drywall 5/8" thick.
EPA Temperature and Humidity regulations are 68-76 degrees and 30%-60% relative humidity, these are great guidelines to follow for everything from health to woodworking to storing your precious collectables
Humidity has been a lot easier to regulate than heat. I have found that i trust a lone dehumidifier in a storage closet much more than a lone unit heater
We keep our house at 68-69 year round. SW Louisiana and humidity is crazy high year round. Makes for super cold winters. Our house is insanely well insulated so central unit maintains 50-55% humidity easily. Keeps guitars and guns great. No neck warps or fretboard delamination and zero rust on all the firearms. Only time I get worried is Winter. We NEVER run our furnace, and if the house gets below 65 we will run the gas fireplace for about three hours tops. When we do run the fireplace, it is literally the only time of the year that I put my guitars in their case…. I actually changed my personal closet door for a solid core door and installed a electronic deadbolt on it. Beats the hell out of a heavy safe and my firearms are easy to access for only me. The habit to keep the door locked was picked up in a day, and the biggest safety device I have was teaching my children from the time they could understand the importance of gun safety and letting them shoot all the time with me to keep their curiosity at bay.
Dont store them in kalifornia for sure.
I thought that's Commiefornia... (Just a pun, don't get mad everyone... :D )
BlAckH0le can go by that too
@@theadventuresofjavier8698 And you know what's funny? I'm not even American, and still know all the bullshit that goes down there...
We call
North Commiefornia
The state of
JEFFERSON......
BlAckH0le born and raised in the san Francisco bay area...what a poop hole SF is...California on the whole use to be a great place to live. The libtards have taken over. The gun laws suck worse than Madonna on election night
Great video. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and experience. It's such a benefit for us younger gun enthusiasts who maybe didn't grow up around a lot of guns and don't have that generational knowledge that so many take for granted. Thanks again, and take care.
Indeed it does tally up quick, got my licence down here in New Zealand in 2016, now have 8 rifles worth a total of about 12k NZD. Really need more than just the cabinet at this point.
A residential structure fire can reach 1,400 degrees F. So when you think about it a metal box of any kind (gun cabinet, safes, or whatever) would become an oven. Also, it varies with how long it takes for the fire to be put out. There is a lot of variables that go into play. Not saying safes aren't a good option, just don't expect them to protect against a lot of heat. Plastic melts at 212 - 491 degrees F, and the ignition point of most woods are between 190 and 260 degrees F.
Thank you so much for mentioning rifle rods. I forgot they existed, and I'm in the beginning stages of making a (hopefully awesome) gun cabinet, and was in the process of creating a creative way to hold my guns vertical, since their heights vary a lot. Rifle rods will work perfect! Thanks again!
This is one of my favorite videos. Many people encourage firearm ownership, but here you give more than just lip-service to security.
Great video and nice to see Chad getting equal time. Excellent on mentioning Core Vens as well. Safes, Vaults and other manner of secure storage, for me, are 'buy once, cry once'. Basically get the best protection you can afford and have it installed properly in the best, most secure location in your home. As Eric said security is about making it take as long as possible for a determined individual to get to and get into.
In the UK police come out and inspect gun cabinets to ensure they are securely fitted to the wall. For bolt guns the bolts have to be stored in a separate locked cabinet and they can call over unannounced for an inspection, if your wife doesn't have a license she better not tell them she knows where the key is.
That sucks
That seems like over kill, in Australia you need a safe that's dyno bolted down and you give the police a copy of the plans of the house and where the safe is located, this is because we have domestic violence issues so if the police are called to you house they know fire arms could be involved and where to locate and secure them.
Tyranny
Sounds a bit like 🇨🇦 I bought a vault I had to engineer a place for in my home. No brainer if a zealous prosecutor assessed me a vulnerable party to a heinous crime. Discovery legal fees cover the cost. Trust me, I’ve been through the mill. Knox safes Utah ... rule
That’s why we told the Brit’s right off 200 something years ago. We do what we want
I’m sure Negan would be happy to see Lucile on the wall.
Lucille wore way more wire than that Negan Bat has on.
That looks like a tactical Lucille. (OD green)
Got 1 in a lock box behind my nightstand and one laying right beside me while watching you guys
Am I losing my mind or is Chad looking more and more like you every day😉👍🇺🇸
Another video i swear they looked like twins i didn’t even know it was chad
My first gun safe is my Winchester, and I am really glad I picked it up. It's a really nice Starter safe
Can we get a gun room tour? I know y’all have gathered quite a few over the years, it would be interesting to see!
@Will Kelly thiefs too😨
this comment is glowing
i put my safe in my bedroom closet with two sheets of 3/4" plywood under it to help the floor. I made sure it was over three studs to spread the weight out. I also put a steel plate under the floor for the bolts to grab on to with washers on the bolts and nuts so they can't pull through. Good luck prying that out. I tend to overdo everything but it's better than under doing it. I find the closet is the best simply because its out of sight, out of mind!
Clutch notification, just have sat down for lunch. 🤘🏼
Same, best way to spend a lunch break
Humidity control is especially important for safes with drywall in them, because the drywall holds moisture.
Also a great idea to have your firearms insured and included in your homeowners or renters insurence policy. All my firearms and my gun safe is included in my policy.
There are a few gun safe store videos, where they educate and cover the differences in build quality. They’re definitely worth checking out.
I have a conex shipping container with a vault door it was 1000
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The NRA did a bunch of testing on this years ago and have written about it, additionally I found that several museums agree with them that 50% humidity is perfect. Yes location makes a huge difference. My safe keeps the humidity level is right at that 47-50% level. I have had zero issues with humidity. I use the rifle rods also, they are great! Good vid as usual, keep it up.
When I'm not using my AK I just burry it in the back yard for storage, then I put a big Rock over the hole for security since I live in a state with safe storage laws.
When I'm ready to go shooting I move the rock and let my dog dig up the rifle. Usually I can just shake off the dirt and go, but sometimes it gets extra muddy and I have to hose it off so I don't get my hands all slimy.
Bryan Walker You’ve got your foxhole already dug! Climb in and open up
If you have a Liberty safe now (2023) be sure to change the combination and tell Liberty not to store the “back door” combination.
If you want a door organizer for your safe for cheap buy a shoe organizer. I have one and it works great
Both of mine are Armor Vault Safes out of OKC. Good price and made of plate steel small one is 1/8 inch with 3/16 door 550lbs, big one is 1/4 inch 725lbs. Love them!
“My WORD of the DAY: Decoys” 😂🤣🛑💥
You can buy silica packs designed to maintain specific relative humidity. They are made by a company called Boveda and very popular for cigar humidors. They can be 'recharged' by soaking in water or 'dried' by throwing in the microwave. The bigger the space the more/bigger packs you put in. Very easy to maintain exactly long term!
I don't have kids. My guns are laying everywhere lol!
Damn right, I keep my revolver on top of the tv, never know when I am going to need it
@That grey area Most of mine are loaded lol! Dry practice lol. If you can't hit a man size target at 7-10 yards you need to just give up! I can pick up a rock at 7-10 yards and smoke someone in the face lol! You see these people on the internet shooting close its like WTF. I practice at 25 yards lol! Aim small miss small!
@That grey area Not talking trash just telling my story and how I rationalize my state of readiness! I can hit deer running wide open thru the hard woods at 50 yard with a rifle and shot trap for 20 years with our teams with multiple championship wins. Pistol is easy as pie lol!
You hear a bump in the night and there’s a burglar pointing your 12G at you 😂
@@viniboo185 I have locked 2 doors they would have to break thru to get into my house and by that time they are going to be in range lol! What is nice about my area. They know everyone is armed in the north woods. Literally everyone in town has guns NOT EVEN JOKING and the criminals know its a bad Idea to break into homes.. They usually break into cabins out in the woods not houses! But at the point someone has a 12g pointed at my head I will comply lol. Hopefully a opportunity presents itself to get or draw a firearm without your head exploding from shot! LOL I can tell you 99% of people cannot draw on someone that already is at the ready with finger on the trigger.. Them odds are not good!!
For unfinished wood rub in some Boiled Linseed Oil available at any hardware store. This will keep
The wood from drying out. It makes wood darker and raises the grain while leaving a glossy sheen.
Dispose of the oily day outdoors because the rag with the oil is subject to spontaneous combustion (fire) Works on kitchen cabinets and guitar fingerboards. Lemon oil is fine too, but will not raise the grain and make it darker as Linseed oil does. Even shovel handles made of wood too!
Some your larger locksmith companies sell safes AND have scratch and dent sales !!!!!
I reside in a 2nd floor apartment, weight was a MAJOR factor for my decision to go with a Stack-On Double Door Gun Cabinet. Can store all my long guns on one side, ammo and accessories on the other.
One problem that all gun owners have never been able to protect guns from is the horrible boating accidents. I foresee a pandemic of boating accidents coming.
You were and are 100% correct.
Tragically I was recently in a boating accident. We capsized and all my firearms were lost
Probably one of the BEST videos you guys ever made! Thank you!
You guys were great in the movie " Slapshot" . : )
Hey guys i agree on what you guys suggested for most areas of the country. I live in AZ we have minor humidity and dryness. if your firearms are kept in the house with a controlled temp year round there is never a issue of too damp or to dry....just saying. I lightly oil my collection and have never seen cracks in wood or surface rust.
Liberty Safe. I love mine. Buy once cry once.........cause when you buy your second......you have won the toy contest!🍻
Fatboy!
Still think theyre entry level. Sturdy safes are better built
Love the info guys. People need reminding that simply using relative humidity is incorrect because it is relative to altitude and temperature. For instance at 7000' here in Colorado the amount of water in a cubic meter of air is about half of the number of grams of water/cubic meter at 500 feet. In the Arid SW USA, you need more humidity than 45% relative in the Winter time. So what to do? Purchase a humidity gauge that reads Absolute humidity! Absolute humidity is NOT related to altitude and air temp. Use it! I own several string instruments also. 3 guitars cracked the year I moved to CO because i was listening to the weather man and only had a normal (relative humidity) gauge. Get an absolute humidity gauge!
This video reminded me to give mine a rubdown.
Weapons that is.
DEHUMIDIFIERS can be found for a reasonable price with small pumps built into them. The tiny tubing is similar to fish tank tubing, very flexible. These units can run continuously w/o emptying if plumbed through a wall to outside. Very simple.
How do y’all feel about vacuum sealing firearms for long term storage?
real strange to do before a boating trip...
If you are going to be shooting them are you really gonna be sealing and unsealing?
@guythatcomments I clarified my question a little more, thanks for the heads up.
You might lose then underneath a tree some how
How long is long term for you???
Tom H. What about Mylar with an oxogyn absorber or two? That’d probably hold better then just vacuum seal
One company I would suggest checking out is SnapSafe. I have two of their safes, and they are fireproof and also able to be dismantled for easy moving. They deliver it in pieces so you can easily move the pieces around if you have any strength. In my old house, I was able to move all of the pieces down to my basement and using dehumidifiers, was able to keep all rust off of them. I was able to move these two safes in pieces to my new house 1.6kM away in Georgia with no issues. Despite what they are saying, I've had no issues with low humidity in Georgia...had lot lower humidity in KC.
I'll add that what they mentioned about putting safes on outside edges of your house is totally correct. As someone who always had their safes in the basement, I moved to Georgia and put a few of my safes in a closet and within a year, I have started noticing some settling in that area of the house. I quickly moved those safes to other areas.
Beware of unscrupulous movers. My safe was dropped during a move. When the mover arrived, my safe wasn't even tied down in the truck. It was only wedged between wardrobe boxes. One side of the safe was badly scratched and the enamel chip from raising it with a hand truck. The moving crew was one guy for a 550 pound safe. His total equipment was a $20 dolly to get the safe into the house. We only got the safe in the house with my plywood and my wooden blocks to scale the one step. Without the plywood and blocks, it would of been left in the driveway. One of the tile of the walkway into the entrance cracked from the dolly, not a cheap fix. If the safe would of fell on the dial, it would of been junk.
I just bought my first safe and it weighs 375 pounds. I also have a step up to get into my house as well as a step down once inside and it was a pain but got it in. Sorry your situation sucked so bad
I just researched this. The Liberty Safes company was bought and safes up to $3k I saw, have composite doors. With the price of steel safe companies or looking for other materials are their prices are much higher. Some safe resellers have nothing to sell. Browning and American Rebel were the two best safes I found in my area with real steel doors. Make sure it's well bolted down. Mine is on hockey pucks so the bottom doesn't rust and 6inch bolts into concrete.
Liberty?
Oof
Ammunition storage especially large amount
I normally don’t make it through long videos, I just don’t seem to have the time, but this is a GREAT video!!! Tons of good information.
I use Ballistol on my forearms every time that I handle one. It works well for that and I can use it on everything from an AR to a Brown Bess. And I keep everything in gun socks, which means that I’ve spent way too much on socks.
Love your channel and appreciate this informative video! How about one for storing guns when renting? I can't go tearing out walls or anything like that, but would still like to keep everything secure.
Great video guys!! May I suggest one subject about vaults that might be worthwhile to mention? With a good (heavy) vault, even if bolted to a concrete basement floor, there is still the possibility of a nasty tip-over. Especially if that heavy door is open, with bad luck the whole vault, with your valued firearm collection, could tip forward and come crashing down, hopefully not on anyone you love, like the grandson you were showing 'his' future firearm to. Rig an anti-tipover device to prevent that.
Thanks for listening.
Fluid Film is BY FAR the best for long term storage. You guys can thank me now for not having to listen to Eric say "guys" 500 times in a 35 min video.
For long storage. Use grease, then cover with plastic or gun sock
For short storage to keep around for security. Keep it oiled up and check up every few other month.
RUclips hates proper gun storage.
Actually.... It depends who is doing the storing.
There are a couple of different ways to talk about moisture content in the air. Relative humidity is a percentage of moisture content in the air, at the current temperature, relative to a condition where condensation can form. It's handy because it communicates how humid it "feels" to anything with sweat glands across a range of temperatures. Dew point is the temperature you'd have to drop down to in order to get the current moisture content in the air to form condensation. This is a more direct statement of just how much moisture is in the air, and it's a more meteorological term.
What you have to do to protect your guns is make sure your guns are always above the dew point. You can do this by either lowering the dew point (using desiccant bags that have a limited capacity before they become saturated) or by heating your guns (using a golden rod or similar device.) The former really only works if you've got a sealed container where new moisture isn't being introduced from the environment.
Lather them in cosmoline was the old answer.
This is a lot of good info, thanks guys
Anyone else see the irony of them discussing storage... in front of a wall of exposed, unsecure (no trigger locks, just sitting on hooks) guns just hanging off the wall?
In Australia we have to store bolt action, air, lever action and double barrels in a safe with a wall thickness if 3mm. For semi automatic and pump actions they need to be in a safe of wall thickness 6mm. Both must have ammo stored separately with bolts out or action broken.
How to store your bat:
Wrap it in Barb Wire.
Wow guys, great video. I learned a whole bunch. I have a huge safe, but I need some way to store more rifles. The Rifle Rods is exactly what I needed. I am glad you covered the humidity part too, I have a bunch of people that ask me that question, but now I can send them to this video. You covered everything that gun owners need to know about securing their weapons, either it be theft, fire, moisture, etc... Once again, thank you very much!
Can you guys do 5 best rifles to buy on 18th birthday and 5 best pistols for 21'st birthday
Love your video s from Wales UK 🇬🇧
Concealment is more effective than a big safe. You can get into any safe, but if you don't even know where the safe/cubby is?
Dude, is your profile pic a Chevy Vega Kammback, 1972 maybe??? Pretty cool, man! Did you throw a 350 in it? Anyway, I dig it, brother. The green is cool, too.
Don't forget to keep a list of serial numbers, makes and models in case something does happen. Especially when you have a very large collection and have multiples of the same gun. I have gone through my safes several times to find a gun I forgot i had. lol
I feel like this video's a little overdue.
Agreed
I really feel like it has been done by Eric... but, hey maybe not? Either way, it’s timely now, so... that good.
Right! They can literally do a 5 part series on this by just taking the time to talk about and show different things
Toby Wallace why ? What if they force everyone to store their guns ?
I know people who leave them out for defensive and display purposes and never been an issue.
You shouldn’t need to worry about someone breaking into your house,
So going with logic I take it you keep tobacco, alcohol and drugs locked up? Since they are more dangerous, or your car even?
I live in northern Ca and my house is 68-70 degrees all year with 45-50% humidity. Perfect conditions.
"Alot" of people do not have firearms insurance. Where did he get that idea? Im with Chad on this one.
TheCodFather you can get it through the NRA, if I remember right you can get $7,500 worth of coverage for $63 a year
bystander66 That’s pretty good, I think it’s important to have insurance on your firearms.
@@bystander665
You can also get fancy new gun laws through the NRA for free.
Got it. Layers of security, rifle rods, LS3 spray and fake mirrors. Good video!
You guys are starting to scare me,time to go clean some firearms
Here in NZ - the rule is 'a container of Stout and Sturdy construction' - but Ammo and Firearms can't be stored together - I've got a 2 compartment safe - one holds the Firearm, the other holds Bolts and Ammo - Safe is bolted to the house and has a deadbolt door to access it.
Did i hear a "safe melt-down" video coming soon?!!! :)
Excellent video as always . I will 2nd that LPS #3 and Corrosion X are awesome for long term storage of ANY metal that will not let them rust. If I remember correct It passes the 2000 hr salt spray test. It is used by major airlines airframe mechanics and military. It is the next best thing to being packed in cosmoline !
the only thing the fire department will save is your foundation get the best safe you can afford
Thank you for the shameless plug. I never knew yall had another channel until now.