Bearweaving, flowershifting and powershifting weren't playstyles or rotations - they were workarounds to make a broken spec viable. The only reward you got from these playstyles was a very questionable one imo: "good parses". I play games to have fun, not to create different purple and orange numbers on external web sites. This change fixes the broken spec - but most importantly the new playstyle is a lot of fun to play. It's almost as good as feral in MoP PvP (yes, it was somewhat OP back then :)
Kill speed is a big factor. I definitely recommend an hour or two on training dummies. 5k GS should put you around 6k DPS unbuffed. Aim for that. Hop in my disc and ask questions. Plenty of nice people willing to help
Definitely. But it could just be due to a smoother and more exciting rotation. The logs in a few more days should give us the best understanding of increase
It's a pretty big dps increase. Single target is a very noticeable increase fersure, but for aoe trash packs.....it's massive. Probably the best melee aoe class now. Personally think it's a huge change, atleast compared to Ret and other class changes that were made. With how huge of a dps increase this became, it feels kindof like they pushed it out without real in depth testing. And they might end up having to reduce the proc chance so it's atleast not a garenteed 100% depending how much feral starts to scale later tiers. It's such a massive jump already, it'll be interesting with higher ilvl gear. Either way i ain't complaining about the change.
@@DarA-zh9tk yea, I made the main swap to Aff Lock at Uld release since we were already running 2 ferals.... and locks just pump. But this change def has me focusing on my feral as my main alt rather than a couple other alts I focus on.
Depends on the bleed and combo points. Rake, you can FF, shred, rake smoothly and only have it off a second or two. Rip, if you have the combo points ready, I'd hold, then rip, FF, shred. But it's all quick reactions. And the great thing is, if you choose poorly, it's not a scuffed parse. Just a tiny loss if DPS you can make up the next cycle
Can you please update your weak aura to see the FFF cooldown instead the duration on the mob?! have been trying myself but i got no clue on what im doing haha
I notice you don't ferocious bite that much? What is your overall rule for ferocious biting? I ruined my rotation sometime while being to greedy with the bite
he said it in the video. if you have a clearcast, you always shred (or swipe when in AoE situations), regardless of how many combo points you have. If you are (well) above 35 energy, you don't ferocious bite - do another shred or rake if it needs to be refreshed. bring down your energy to 35, then bite. Ideally, FF comes off cd right after your ferocious bite. Oftentimes you get clearcast after clearcast and it feels like you're wasting combo points. You're not - this feeling is wrong. Priority is to keep Savage Roar, Rip, Rake and Mangle up. Best way to look at ferocious bite is "filler of the finishers"
@@psibiza a bite while cc is 35 energy tho instead of 60? And it also gains max dmg output which results in average 25k crits for me. As a mono cat the rule has been 10 bites per fight. I'm now at 13-15. 9k dps on ignis in pugs with ppl who have 50 logs or keep dying to nonsense. I also checked the logs on ignis and the fight there is so fast top feral has more bite then rip dmg on it.
@@dobiusla8281 When you're at 35 energy and get a cc, you do another shred, then ferocious bite. Why would you use the cc to bite? He's explaining it in the video. Although 25k on a bite crit sounds impressive, your primary damage source is shred with 14k crits and no combo point and at no additional energy cost. 13-15 bites per fight sounds very impressive. I wonder how you're not well above 9k at Ignis (must be the PUG rats ^^). How did you do at XT?
@@psibiza the kill time is 2:54 on ignis. If it would be 2:11 like griftin his one I d be at at least 10k+. I had in yesterday pug 8.5k xt hm. You can check it out, grenmaju everlook. Maybe 10-13 bites Was bit too much of myself. And it is worth to bite in that case. Trust. My xt dps was actually 8.9k if I see right. It's just if you re not in a good pre-made killtime sucks which results in less dps. The thing with FF is you can time it with bites. You shouldn't focus on doing so but in my opinion it is worth it. And the top feral seems to di the same since he had more bite dmg then actual rip.
@@dobiusla8281 wow. You're a great kitty. Your Ignis kill was a 95 parse. I don't think we disagree fundamentally and more importantly there's not much you do wrong. If I was you, I wouldn't listen to this idiot on the internet ^^ (= me) and check what the 298 ferals above you (your 10-man ignis on Tuesday was in the Top 300) do differently. Then come back and teach me, senpai :)
Bro. You need to rethink how you play feral. My kill time on ignis as example is 2:54 and yours is 2:11 yet we have same dps or close to it. Which can't be with that fast fight. I had 8.5 before FF hotfix in pugs! and so on. I'm no pro either, just telling you. Grenmaju everlook( playing mono cat since wotlk classic. Never bear weaved, used flowers shift) maybe I picked the wrong druid but I ve seen only 1 griftin from us Westfall.
Thanks. I think the biggest factor between us is gear. you seem to have a few major upgrades I don't have. I missed the first 3 weeks of Ulduar and have been playing catch up. Now as far as rethinking how i play feral, what do you suggest? if you would rather discuss this on discord, i have one you can hop into and share your specific critiques. i am always looking to improve :)
@@detroitSWAGlions what are you on about? If you don't understand what I wrote above why are you replying? It's kinda even my killtime on bosses is just very bad.
Fantastic video. Not dragging 4 easy steps on for 10 minutes just to get money. Just quick and sweet. Thank you!
Ye, loving the new rotation also. Good to get 98-99 parses as pure kitty and not have to bearweave imo. Never liked bearweaving
I doubt you're alone based on the polls and comments! Keep on pumping!
Bearweaving, flowershifting and powershifting weren't playstyles or rotations - they were workarounds to make a broken spec viable. The only reward you got from these playstyles was a very questionable one imo: "good parses". I play games to have fun, not to create different purple and orange numbers on external web sites.
This change fixes the broken spec - but most importantly the new playstyle is a lot of fun to play. It's almost as good as feral in MoP PvP (yes, it was somewhat OP back then :)
You’re only parsing 98-99 because you’re being compared to pre monocat buffs
You can press FF, reapply SR, and then Shred. This will mean CD for FF coming back off sooner, but assuming not going to energy cap.
you also have a good chance of getting a clearcasting proc from a bleed or auto attacks in that time as well
Yo nice vids. I leveled a feral right before the buff and just started gearing it. Would be awesome if you made an updated rotation guide
What is the addon showing the rotation?
u can also preproc clearcast by casting Thorns on urself
Thanks for keeping up to date with the changes. Best place to go to improve? I got the weak aura but my parse is still below 50.
Kill speed is a big factor. I definitely recommend an hour or two on training dummies. 5k GS should put you around 6k DPS unbuffed. Aim for that. Hop in my disc and ask questions. Plenty of nice people willing to help
From your wago profile, it doesn't look like you update the week aura's very often. Is this something you plan on doing for the new changes?
I updated my main one. Which in in particular? I updated my personal one all the time but they're mostly minor
How are you liking the changes Grif? Noticed much of a dps increase yourself?
Definitely. But it could just be due to a smoother and more exciting rotation. The logs in a few more days should give us the best understanding of increase
It's a pretty big dps increase. Single target is a very noticeable increase fersure, but for aoe trash packs.....it's massive. Probably the best melee aoe class now.
Personally think it's a huge change, atleast compared to Ret and other class changes that were made. With how huge of a dps increase this became, it feels kindof like they pushed it out without real in depth testing. And they might end up having to reduce the proc chance so it's atleast not a garenteed 100% depending how much feral starts to scale later tiers. It's such a massive jump already, it'll be interesting with higher ilvl gear.
Either way i ain't complaining about the change.
@@abduljabars Its insane! I love the new change, makes me enjoy the class like 5x more.
@@DarA-zh9tk yea, I made the main swap to Aff Lock at Uld release since we were already running 2 ferals.... and locks just pump. But this change def has me focusing on my feral as my main alt rather than a couple other alts I focus on.
Hey, what about rip? If rip falls off same time as FF comes back up (we have 5combat points) do we ff > shred > rip or rip > ff > shred?
Ty
Rip, FF, shred. Though it's marginal difference
@@griftin tyvm
happy to be more competitive on damage now, but I much preferred the bearweaving playstyle personally.
Big virgin energy
If bleeds are about to expire, does FF-shred take priority? Or should you hold it and refresh first for more bleed up time?
Depends on the bleed and combo points. Rake, you can FF, shred, rake smoothly and only have it off a second or two. Rip, if you have the combo points ready, I'd hold, then rip, FF, shred. But it's all quick reactions. And the great thing is, if you choose poorly, it's not a scuffed parse. Just a tiny loss if DPS you can make up the next cycle
@@griftin that's exactly it and what makes the new playstyle great fun to play.
If you see that greatness is up(like last second) I d invest into rip tbh. Not sure about that tho
Can you please update your weak aura to see the FFF cooldown instead the duration on the mob?! have been trying myself but i got no clue on what im doing haha
I did last week. The title should say FFF update
@@griftin ow wow then i might have installed an old version, mine still giving 5m downtime when i cast FFF
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I notice you don't ferocious bite that much? What is your overall rule for ferocious biting? I ruined my rotation sometime while being to greedy with the bite
he said it in the video. if you have a clearcast, you always shred (or swipe when in AoE situations), regardless of how many combo points you have. If you are (well) above 35 energy, you don't ferocious bite - do another shred or rake if it needs to be refreshed. bring down your energy to 35, then bite. Ideally, FF comes off cd right after your ferocious bite. Oftentimes you get clearcast after clearcast and it feels like you're wasting combo points. You're not - this feeling is wrong. Priority is to keep Savage Roar, Rip, Rake and Mangle up. Best way to look at ferocious bite is "filler of the finishers"
@@psibiza a bite while cc is 35 energy tho instead of 60? And it also gains max dmg output which results in average 25k crits for me. As a mono cat the rule has been 10 bites per fight. I'm now at 13-15. 9k dps on ignis in pugs with ppl who have 50 logs or keep dying to nonsense. I also checked the logs on ignis and the fight there is so fast top feral has more bite then rip dmg on it.
@@dobiusla8281 When you're at 35 energy and get a cc, you do another shred, then ferocious bite. Why would you use the cc to bite? He's explaining it in the video. Although 25k on a bite crit sounds impressive, your primary damage source is shred with 14k crits and no combo point and at no additional energy cost.
13-15 bites per fight sounds very impressive. I wonder how you're not well above 9k at Ignis (must be the PUG rats ^^). How did you do at XT?
@@psibiza the kill time is 2:54 on ignis. If it would be 2:11 like griftin his one I d be at at least 10k+. I had in yesterday pug 8.5k xt hm. You can check it out, grenmaju everlook. Maybe 10-13 bites Was bit too much of myself. And it is worth to bite in that case. Trust. My xt dps was actually 8.9k if I see right. It's just if you re not in a good pre-made killtime sucks which results in less dps. The thing with FF is you can time it with bites. You shouldn't focus on doing so but in my opinion it is worth it. And the top feral seems to di the same since he had more bite dmg then actual rip.
@@dobiusla8281 wow. You're a great kitty. Your Ignis kill was a 95 parse. I don't think we disagree fundamentally and more importantly there's not much you do wrong. If I was you, I wouldn't listen to this idiot on the internet ^^ (= me) and check what the 298 ferals above you (your 10-man ignis on Tuesday was in the Top 300) do differently. Then come back and teach me, senpai :)
Why are you swapping out of form still?
Was i? Maybe a fat finger? I know I was talking about a reapply of mangle via bear, but didn't think i had tried it
Yeah I feel like I'm wasting a global way too much
Just a small 5-10% dps increase aka 2k dps lol
Bro. You need to rethink how you play feral. My kill time on ignis as example is 2:54 and yours is 2:11 yet we have same dps or close to it. Which can't be with that fast fight. I had 8.5 before FF hotfix in pugs! and so on. I'm no pro either, just telling you. Grenmaju everlook( playing mono cat since wotlk classic. Never bear weaved, used flowers shift) maybe I picked the wrong druid but I ve seen only 1 griftin from us Westfall.
Thanks. I think the biggest factor between us is gear. you seem to have a few major upgrades I don't have. I missed the first 3 weeks of Ulduar and have been playing catch up. Now as far as rethinking how i play feral, what do you suggest? if you would rather discuss this on discord, i have one you can hop into and share your specific critiques. i am always looking to improve :)
Griftin has better logs than you. What are you on about m8?
@@detroitSWAGlions what are you on about? If you don't understand what I wrote above why are you replying? It's kinda even my killtime on bosses is just very bad.
This is it. This is our skill ceiling now. Sad.
i'm not sure this is the cap yet. i think bearweave in a new form might make a small showing in top tier rotation. time will tell