Seeing how we have seen two Vulcan science officers in the shows it would nice to see Andorian security officer and Tellarite Engineer on a Federation starship.
Andorian Captain, Vulcan engineer, Tellarite security thug, human comms officer. Put all their racial affinities to best use, even if it doesn't fit expectations.
I agree. Tellarites are renowned for their engineering ability. For Star Fleet to allow such innate skill to go untapped is a waste of talent. The personality interactions would make for some interesting plot lines as well.
Funny thing is, in the game Star Trek Online, you actually get pretty close to this with the 23rd-century Starfleet player-character's default senior officers; your First Officer is an Andorian specializing in tactical skills and your Chief Engineer is a Tellarite.
I would love to see more about Tellarites in canon. It would be interesting to see how they view the later Federation. I recon, even though they are among the earliest members, they'd still never cease to argue every single decision the Federation makes and questioning every action taken by Starfleet. Besides that, I'd love to see more of the federations diversity in general. Once they become part of the Federation, we usually don't see much from the member species as independent cultures. But the goal of the Federation always was to *coexist*, not to make everyone the same.
Oh yeah I agree. Depictions of the Federation needs more cultural diversity. We get a bit more of that with lower decks, including seeing a Vulcan Ship in action.
@@andrelandry548 Nice! Think about it though, Scotty started the fight with the Klingons for insulting the Enterprise, if they were Tellarites instead, probably would have made new allies right there. Heh!
*Tellarites = Space Dwarves.* *Tellarites* = Space Dwarves, *Vulcans* = Elves, *Romulans* = Dark Elves, *Andorians* = Goblins, *Kilngons* = Orcs. And of course the Humans/Federation. Star Trek was always more "Lord Of The Rings" than fans would care to admit?!
well the Betazoids are basicly just garden variety men with a more liberal open culture and mind reading... soo basically they're all Galadriel without the stick up her ass? (who's an elf i know but meh.. details)
Tellarites were a race i wish Berman and co kept up to date on them during the Next Generation spin off era in the 24th Century. Along with the Andorians they were more or less forgotten about until ST: Enterprise wisely picked them up again. Hope they're explored in much greater details, in any later Star Trek television shows or movies.
Roddenberry had TNG under the (rather dumb) rule that they were not to include species from TOS, because then the new show would seem like a "rehash." They had to talk him into letting the Romulans show up, because the Ferengi had proven to be such a failure as a primary bad guy. (The Klingons got an exception, too, because of Worf.)
@TheWeeaboo Well, yeah. Gene wanted EVUL capitalists, but it just doesn't work. Actual Capitalists have to produce goods and services that people want at affordable prices. Scam artists (which is how the Ferengi were actually usually protrayed) only get away with stuff when they can avoid getting a reputation. Which is difficult if that's your one racial trait. It's like he wanted a race of Harry Mudd's to be the Star Trek villains, but forgetting that Harry Mudd was used for comedic effect. He's not a real threat.
@@Swiftbow Personally I can see his reasoning somewhat, early TNG was 90% stories taken from TOS or the canceled phase 2 plan for star trek in the 70's and as of which season 1 and most of season 2 was lacking, the rule about no antennas being allowed for aliens was a worse rule, hence why we never saw Andorians until the prequel show.
@@paladinboyd1228 Technically we see an Andorian in the episode where Data built himself a "daughter." It was one of the "skins" she was considering for herself. We might be grateful the Andorians didn't appear in TNG. The look in the brief screencap we got was rather weird.
If I was a human doing temporary contract work on another Federation planet, I'd think that at the end of my career when I looked back on the planets I spent time on, Tellar Prime would probably be some of my best memories. Like Trip Tucker, I'd find the Tellarites bluntness and candor somewhat refreshing and once you can get past learning how to converse with them, you'd probably develop lifelong friends. With hot and dry weather, which I'm used to from living in Vegas & Phoenix and to me it sure beats the frigid climate of Andoria. Not to mention, when an Andorian who's not your acquaintance calls you "pink skin", it's probably more of an insult and not a game like the Tellarites play when they talk. Vulcans (unless they are open minded to humans) probably wouldn't make for good company either. Nah, I think the Tellarites would be the coolest over time.
It may take time, but even a tough nut like Sevol did not expect a human to risk his life like that to save His. Vulcans have this thing about the needs of the many out weighing the needs of the few or the one and act accordingly while we may say where necessary that the needs of the ONE out weighing the needs of the many. Sounds strange even illogical to a Vulcan. Remember Spock asks Kirk why they came back for him.
often overlooked and one of the founding members of the Federation. I'm really happy we got a good look at the Andorians in Enterprise but now we need a closer look at the tellarites. It'd be nice to see a tellarite crew member.
I love how the most recent interaction with a Tellerite was in Lower Decks, when the Tellerite captain tells the other captain he doesn't need to listen to them.
Andorians have a fascinating story, not just with their reproductive plight (takes four to tango) but historically as well. The best follow up to your excellent Tellarite piece!
People are asking the same questions as me. Why don't we see more founding races of the Federation on the Star Trek television shows and movies? Instead we get to see more, one-off, exotic alien species. In theory we should be seeing a few Andorians, Tellurites, Alpha Centaurans, and Vulcans on board Federation Star Ships, especially by the time of Captain Picard. Understandably you don't see as yet too many alien races on the Original Star Trek tv show. At that time, the Federation, though well-established for sixty-plus years, is still relatively young and the founding member races keep much to themselves even though interstellar trade is thriving.
I'm very fascinated by the early history of the FEDERATION, the time period actually dating from the Coalition of Planets to the Earth-Romulan War to the establishment of the Federation and its early decades leading just up to Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock, whose time period we already know a lot about. I recommend purchasing the large, blue book FEDERATION, which covers this time period and is chock full of information. It explains how and why the human race came to be the most recognized and most influential member of the early Federation. Later the Federation's most influential members came to be an unofficial diplomatic, cultural, and military alliance between Earth and Vulcan.
Star Trek's D&D analogue (We can assume it is not deliberate and is not reliant on appearance) Humans = Humans (duh) Vulcans = Elves (Romulans = Dark Elves) Tellarites = Dwarves Andorians = Some kind of "ice folk" Klingons = Orks Gorn = Lizardfolk (duh) or Dragonborn (Not Skyrim) Remans = Goblins
I have also heard Ferengi compared to goblins, although what goblins are good at (alchemy/mechs and suicide attacks in Warcraft, attacking in small hordes in D&D, nervously obeying orks as workers in Warhammer, taking over mines in LotR) seems to vary by source.
Tellarites would be my jam! I love a spirited debate but people always seem to start getting salty when it all started in good fun. Having a nice argument, having my mind changed and maybe changing a few of my own until we all lose our voice and go have dinner sounds like a great day out with friends.
Very cool video. I only know them from the "Journey to Babel" episode, where they seemed like they wanted to fight and argue. Thank you for fleshing them out (as it were).
watching this and the andorian videos made me wonder... if these other species were founding members of the federation, and had achieved warp propulsion so long before humans, why are they still so rarely seen in starfleet? Why don't they have more colonies and planets filled with their race? I don't understand how humans ended up being 90% of the starfleet officers if Earth is just an equal partner in a federation where our technology is not remarkably better than the other races. Is there something about starfleet itself that is a barrier for other races to serve? Maybe the population of the federation as a whole is more equal but starfleet for some reason accepts disproportionately more humans. Why would that be?
Marina Sirtis was once asked why the aliens in star trek are all humanoid looking, She answered by saying; "When non humanoid actors start auditioning I'm pretty sure they'll be a shoe in". I'm pretty sure its a budgetary concern not having as many aliens portrayed as regular starfleet personel.
Yes, its a budget concern. Also: Star Fleet is not the one and only Academy out there. The Tellarites, Andorians, Caithians and Vulcans got theirn own academies and spaceships to help out the Federation. Also: Despite being a big happy Family: Even the founding members perfom culture exchange: Pupils, Officers, Scientist etc... The Titan (Rikers first own ship) was not only a Ship Prototyp, but also the first pilot-project to consist of a very large and devierse/diffrent kind numbers of Federation Races. Can you emigine: Andorian as Security Chef, Tellarite as your first Officer or Ingeniuer while Vulcans and many others in betweeen? Would you like to manage that? Well Riker was one of the first Captains ever to make a succesful crew out of so many Species.
Platzhallter did you infer this or is that canon? Do you have a source? So let me see if i understand you correctly... all of the federation uses Starfleet as their military arm, but within Starfleet there is segregation so they put all the aliens of one species on a particular ship? I've never seen that on the show or read it in any book but i defer to your knowledge on the subject. It just seems to fly in the face of Star Trek's progressive message that even in the future there is segregation in the military.
mafbloggerdanny Well, in TOS, I remember there was this one ship that was manned mostly by Vulcans that was destroyed, and Spock was able to feel it because Vulcans. Anyway, this shows that at least the Vulcans had their own ships, even as late as DS9 (as a Vulcan ship is mentioned having made contact with the Dominion), so something similar could possibly happen with the Andorrans, Tellarites, etc.
I'd assume that the reason we don't see a lot of them is because they are probably quite difficult to right. And their culture makes them more of a novelty than anything, especially with the "insult everyone, argue everything" philosophy they have. They would probably not make very good Starfleet officers if they second guess and contradict EVERYTHING.
I haven't seen a vote this one-sided... ever. Maybe you should reconsider doing this, or some species a little more obscure, just for the helluvit. Afterall, people are only going to vote for the species they're already somewhat familiar with. Doing something unexpected might introduce people to something they've never heard of, something they might come to enjoy.
the conflicts with the andorians is also probably due to how accessible resources were to each species andorians had very little in means of resources and food leading them to end disputes quickly as to not waste more resources and energy, however the tellarites had an abundance of resources so they never really learnt not to squander them
I just got a lot of respect for the tellarites. Their idea that all voices must be heard is at the heart of our own 1st Amendment here in the USA. Unfortunately, as James Madison said in so many words to Thomas Jefferson in 1823, we are too socially primitive to understand our own system of government. That verdict has not changed in 200 years. Like the Federation the United States of America is founded on a collaboration of various cultures interpretation of natural law nomocracy, as per the Declaration of Independence. The two prime sources of natural law nomocracy within the constitutional republic known as the United States of America is drawn from The Works of John Locke and Thomas Aquinas and the Native American nation, which has existed for nearly a thousand years, the Haudenosaunee, better known as the Iroquois; from whom our constitution is patterned. R e f HR 331 100th Congress 2nd session 1988. Benjamin Franklin, the oldest and wisest of our founding fathers, was unfortunately not as well heard as he should have been because he had a habit of sarcasm. in his 1784 essay remarks concerning the Savages of North America, Franklin noted a society that did not need any authority to enforce its laws nor a standing army to secure its borders; a society which he described as the ideal Utopia we're young men we're taught to be Warriors while pursuing the skill of philosophy and wisdom that they would be strong in youth and sages in old age. From the wisest of their elders the haudenosaunee select their leaders. we would be wise to revisit our foundations in order to bring America back on track under rule of natural law nomocracy within our Republic.
Tellarite's where very helpful during the Second Terran-Romulan War as not just as engineers but were deployed as diplomats on conquered Romulan worlds. With the Tal Shiar out of the way the Romulan civilians were free to speak after a Tellarite ambassadors were able to brake the ice in discussions. The freedom and new idea's the Commonwealth gave the Romulans became our greatest weapon during that war.
Interesting you find that Tellarites are more like Humans than many other species in Trek, but it shouldn't be surprising. Humans and pigs share a whole lot of similarities, in behaviour, diet, and even DNA, since they successfully transplanted a genetically altered pig's heart into a human. It was mostly a success because he died of an easily avoidable disease the pig apparently had.
For one of the creators of the Federation and great engineers, tellarites are so out of focus, i would love a star trek series with a tellarite regular ( and/or Androian)
One of the pranks that Andorian high school girls pull on someone they don’t like is to wait until prom and then dump a bucket of Tellarite blood on them.
Watching these videos has lead me to believe the Star Trek universe simply ripped off Tolkien's books (at least in the beginning). Humans are humans Vulcans are elves Tellarites are dwarves Klingons are orcs I'm still trying to figure out who the hobbits are though.
I REALLY REALLY REALLY HOPE the next Star Trek series goes more deeper into the Tellarites after the original series went so deed and original into them... If they don't, IDK, then there may be a deep discord between the producer class of people and fans. Witch, there probably is.
I think out of all the science-fiction civilizations we could run into the Teluride certainly wouldn’t be the worst summer of us to what they do and people can adapt pretty well trust me
so they're the dwarves of ST (vulcans being elves, klingons being orcs, humans being, well, humans)... I'm not even mad (as in: that's pretty cool, imho)
I cant watch the video because of the music. All im picking up is the symbols amf it sound like an alarm going on im the background and im losing my fricken mind
4 founding races and 2 of them are very rarely seen in Star Trek, always found that weird, one would assume these races would form the majority of the crew on the ships of the federation..... seem only the humans are all in, the others just dispatch a few people to the fed....
Brian Mcbrian. One it was budget 1966. Weekly prosthetics were expensive. Two the writers hadn't thought that up yet. Originally the USS Enterprise 1966 episodes was from Earth Alliance or the United Earth. Spock is implied to be somewhat of an exchange, probably because he was mingo human. By the 67 episodes after Christmas, the writers had dreamed up the Federation and Journey to Babel was to showcase that. Later they sorta explained it by saying some of the Starfleet vessels were all Vulcan, ergo there must be all Andorians and All Tellurites, etc... The Cruisers may have all been Earth staffed or maybe some were staffed by other worlds. However later it seemed each planet/colony race had their own designs. Continuity is always difficult with a 50 year and a bunch of series. Dr Who had broken continuity by its second year.
Brian Mcbrian It's because humans are more likely to volunteer than other races. We are natural explorers, contrary to the other species who prefer remaining in their borders.
Continuity across at least 5 or 6 series and over a dozen movies which span over 50 years (and a timeline of centuries) just isn't possible. Some of the writers/producers are quite literally the most passionate Star Trek fans in the world, meticulously researching or balancing every detail to achieve maximum canon consistency ... but most are just entertainment people doing their jobs, focussed on whatever they think looks/seems good, making some money, putting some Trek on their resumes, and moving on.
Gorn appeared in exactly one Star Trek episode. And were briefly mentioned or referenced in passing only a handful of times in other episodes. Not a whole lot to go on.
I tought about a little scenario with the Tellarites since it's canon that they had huge wars because of their main dialect (Voice wars). Starfleets personels goes to see some Tellarite theatrical event with live actors (like Romans open theater) and one of the actress on stage act her sadness because her son died and she keeps on lamenting in Tellarites "my son... my son..." but in their main tongue son is pronounced "lŌzer" and all the humans start laughing causing some political chain event.
It's interesting watching these videos and seeing the different species' different strengths. It made me think since the show is written as another species is basically "human except for X" which is understandable since the show is written from a human PoV (If other species even exist), but it got me thinking what advantages do humans in Star Trek have? I realized Star Trek has made humans main trait rapid advancement whether it be in tech, knowledge, etc. How many species were warp capable before humans, but have now been matched or surpassed by them? Q even seemed concerned with this in one of the earlier episodes if I recall right.
Drew pickles. This makes me think of an episode of Enterprise. In this one the Vulcan ambassador and the Star Fleet admiral are talking as they enter the embassy, the Vulcan says "You humans can be augmentative and stubborn like a Tellarite, or hot tempered as an Andorian, warlike as a Klingon, or deceiving and scheming as a Romualn. But what baffles us most, and frightens us some, is at times you can be rational and even logical and unemotional as a Vulcan." I guess he is saying we can't pin you down culturally, we can adapt to many cultures and it's hard for the Vulcan's to grasp this.
DrewPicklesTheDark In an episode of DS9 Quark & Co discuss humanity achievements. At one point it's pointed out how we have developed at double the average rate.
DrewPicklesTheDark Humanity main trait is the lack of a stable culture and our extreme curiosity. This means that we evolve culturally and technologically much faster than everyone else but we are prone to infighting and autodestruction.
Di'm wondering if they got a head start on humanity by just existing first or starting agriculture earlier. If they stared at the same time that's bragging rights if they started 1000 years before and beat humanity by a decade we get the bragging rights,
they were one of the best shipbuilding races and after joining the federation they intergrated most of that tech and knowhow into the newer generations of ships
Honestly I'd find their culture refreshing. The constant lies we have to tell to get by day to day on Earth are insane and taxing. Let alone the constant false friendships only to be stabbed in the back. A culture of just saying it all up front would be nice.
“Tellarites have a reputation for being renowned engineers, based on their race’s early affinity for mechanism as construction.” Because our friends the Space-Elves (Vulcans) Space-Dark-Elves (Romulans) and Space-Orcs (Klingons) demanded some Space-Dwarves.
To be fair the orc characteristics the Klingons evoke were probably communicated the other way around, with 80s TNG having influenced fantasy writers and games. The Jem’Hadar are closer to the classic Orcs than Klingons are.
Shame we never got to see Scotty locking horns with a Tellarite engineer. I imagine their arguments and debates would be the stuff of legends.
Make it so.
they would have both had fun and become drinking buddies after.
@Holdov The Holdovian ......huh?
Make it so
@Roman Rhodes what?
These dudes would love the internet
shut up fool you dont know what you are talking about
:P
@@hardwirecars your just proving his point
@@beridot2615 did you not see the :P that means im joking jesus i cant win ever.
@@hardwirecars alright 2009, calm down.
No they wouldn't!
Seeing how we have seen two Vulcan science officers in the shows it would nice to see Andorian security officer and Tellarite Engineer on a Federation starship.
Andorian Captain, Vulcan engineer, Tellarite security thug, human comms officer.
Put all their racial affinities to best use, even if it doesn't fit expectations.
I agree. Tellarites are renowned for their engineering ability. For Star Fleet to allow such innate skill to go untapped is a waste of talent. The personality interactions would make for some interesting plot lines as well.
Funny thing is, in the game Star Trek Online, you actually get pretty close to this with the 23rd-century Starfleet player-character's default senior officers; your First Officer is an Andorian specializing in tactical skills and your Chief Engineer is a Tellarite.
@@pwnmeisterage Star Trek Online actually has an Andorian commanding the USS Enterprise-F; Captain Va'Kel Shon.
There would be so much conflict
I would love to see more about Tellarites in canon. It would be interesting to see how they view the later Federation. I recon, even though they are among the earliest members, they'd still never cease to argue every single decision the Federation makes and questioning every action taken by Starfleet.
Besides that, I'd love to see more of the federations diversity in general. Once they become part of the Federation, we usually don't see much from the member species as independent cultures. But the goal of the Federation always was to *coexist*, not to make everyone the same.
Oh yeah I agree. Depictions of the Federation needs more cultural diversity. We get a bit more of that with lower decks, including seeing a Vulcan Ship in action.
For the Andorian Guard!
I hate the beeping you put in the background great vid tho
@@DreadBirate DON'T YOU DARE TELL INGAME WHAT TO DO!
imagine Scotty in a heated argument with the Tellarite head engineer of some other ship
Thank god Scotty is involved with temporal agents because that would go on FOREVER. and they would both probably be having the time of their lives
Scotty would have been the best ambassador to the Tellarites, haha!!
@@Admiral8Q too bad it never came up he met telorites in is time on the enterprise i guess he was just too busy fixing the damn ship lol
@@andrelandry548 Nice! Think about it though, Scotty started the fight with the Klingons for insulting the Enterprise, if they were Tellarites instead, probably would have made new allies right there. Heh!
Michael Palin beams down to Tellar.
PALIN: "I'd like to have an argument, please."
TELLARITE: ***Squeals with joy***
Oh no, this is abuse!
You beat me to it. Although I was considering the Argument Clinic run by a Tellarite-Ferengi half-breed.
Andorians tried to do the same thing to the Tellarites that the Vulcans did to the Humans.
“I will be and always be... Your friend!”
“Then you’re my enemy!”
Or
“I took the most wicked part of myself with me.”
Tellarites = Space Dwarves.
Great video, keep it up!
*Tellarites = Space Dwarves.*
*Tellarites* = Space Dwarves, *Vulcans* = Elves, *Romulans* = Dark Elves, *Andorians* = Goblins, *Kilngons* = Orcs. And of course the Humans/Federation. Star Trek was always more "Lord Of The Rings" than fans would care to admit?!
well the Betazoids are basicly just garden variety men with a more liberal open culture and mind reading... soo basically they're all Galadriel without the stick up her ass? (who's an elf i know but meh.. details)
well, I think Betazoids live longer so they could be the Men of Numenor.
I think the Ferengi are a better fit for Goblins, since Goblins are often depicted as conniving and devious.
Agreed. Andorians don't really have a role in that metaphor, but that's ok. No one likes Andorians.
Tellarites were a race i wish Berman and co kept up to date on them during the Next Generation spin off era in the 24th Century. Along with the Andorians they were more or less forgotten about until ST: Enterprise wisely picked them up again. Hope they're explored in much greater details, in any later Star Trek television shows or movies.
Roddenberry had TNG under the (rather dumb) rule that they were not to include species from TOS, because then the new show would seem like a "rehash." They had to talk him into letting the Romulans show up, because the Ferengi had proven to be such a failure as a primary bad guy. (The Klingons got an exception, too, because of Worf.)
@TheWeeaboo Well, yeah. Gene wanted EVUL capitalists, but it just doesn't work. Actual Capitalists have to produce goods and services that people want at affordable prices. Scam artists (which is how the Ferengi were actually usually protrayed) only get away with stuff when they can avoid getting a reputation. Which is difficult if that's your one racial trait.
It's like he wanted a race of Harry Mudd's to be the Star Trek villains, but forgetting that Harry Mudd was used for comedic effect. He's not a real threat.
@@Swiftbow Personally I can see his reasoning somewhat, early TNG was 90% stories taken from TOS or the canceled phase 2 plan for star trek in the 70's and as of which season 1 and most of season 2 was lacking, the rule about no antennas being allowed for aliens was a worse rule, hence why we never saw Andorians until the prequel show.
@@paladinboyd1228 Technically we see an Andorian in the episode where Data built himself a "daughter." It was one of the "skins" she was considering for herself.
We might be grateful the Andorians didn't appear in TNG. The look in the brief screencap we got was rather weird.
If I was a human doing temporary contract work on another Federation planet, I'd think that at the end of my career when I looked back on the planets I spent time on, Tellar Prime would probably be some of my best memories. Like Trip Tucker, I'd find the Tellarites bluntness and candor somewhat refreshing and once you can get past learning how to converse with them, you'd probably develop lifelong friends. With hot and dry weather, which I'm used to from living in Vegas & Phoenix and to me it sure beats the frigid climate of Andoria. Not to mention, when an Andorian who's not your acquaintance calls you "pink skin", it's probably more of an insult and not a game like the Tellarites play when they talk. Vulcans (unless they are open minded to humans) probably wouldn't make for good company either. Nah, I think the Tellarites would be the coolest over time.
Enough to date the locals? We've never seen a Tellarite woman and we've never seen a half-Tellarite. Might be a reason.
It may take time, but even a tough nut like Sevol did not expect a human to risk his life like that to save His.
Vulcans have this thing about the needs of the many out weighing the needs of the few or the one and act accordingly while we may say where necessary that the needs of the ONE out weighing the needs of the many. Sounds strange even illogical to a Vulcan. Remember Spock asks Kirk why they came back for him.
often overlooked and one of the founding members of the Federation. I'm really happy we got a good look at the Andorians in Enterprise but now we need a closer look at the tellarites. It'd be nice to see a tellarite crew member.
The beeping is brutal
This!!!
omg yes i was going to say the same! its driving me mad
I love how the most recent interaction with a Tellerite was in Lower Decks, when the Tellerite captain tells the other captain he doesn't need to listen to them.
Andorians have a fascinating story, not just with their reproductive plight (takes four to tango) but historically as well. The best follow up to your excellent Tellarite piece!
Whilst watching this video I was hearing some beeping noise. I honestly thought it was someone's watch alarm going off outside my home.
Its the music.
It was a horrible choice
I tough it was mi inner ear failing
I hate the triangle it just tinkles
People are asking the same questions as me. Why don't we see more founding races of the Federation on the Star Trek television shows and movies? Instead we get to see more, one-off, exotic alien species. In theory we should be seeing a few Andorians, Tellurites, Alpha Centaurans, and Vulcans on board Federation Star Ships, especially by the time of Captain Picard. Understandably you don't see as yet too many alien races on the Original Star Trek tv show. At that time, the Federation, though well-established for sixty-plus years, is still relatively young and the founding member races keep much to themselves even though interstellar trade is thriving.
I'm very fascinated by the early history of the FEDERATION, the time period actually dating from the Coalition of Planets to the Earth-Romulan War to the establishment of the Federation and its early decades leading just up to Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock, whose time period we already know a lot about. I recommend purchasing the large, blue book FEDERATION, which covers this time period and is chock full of information. It explains how and why the human race came to be the most recognized and most influential member of the early Federation. Later the Federation's most influential members came to be an unofficial diplomatic, cultural, and military alliance between Earth and Vulcan.
Tellarites. The dwarves of Star Trek
From now on, I'm gonna headcanon the Hogfather from Discworld as a Tellarite.
Star Trek's D&D analogue (We can assume it is not deliberate and is not reliant on appearance)
Humans = Humans (duh)
Vulcans = Elves (Romulans = Dark Elves)
Tellarites = Dwarves
Andorians = Some kind of "ice folk"
Klingons = Orks
Gorn = Lizardfolk (duh) or Dragonborn (Not Skyrim)
Remans = Goblins
I have also heard Ferengi compared to goblins, although what goblins are good at (alchemy/mechs and suicide attacks in Warcraft, attacking in small hordes in D&D, nervously obeying orks as workers in Warhammer, taking over mines in LotR) seems to vary by source.
snow elves are a thing but i would count that much more to the albino blind andorians.
@@tifforo1 Lwaxana, and I believe Kira, both called them Trolls.. so the "fantasy" connection isn't a stretch.
*Remans are just another type of Dark Elf - like a Drow.*
Quite a bit non-canon stuff on Tellarites can be found in the novel Starfleet Corps of Engineers No. 37: Rind Around The Sky.
There is a super high pitched beeping in the background of the video
Love the in deft perspective on each star trek culture, look forward to Lean more thanks
God...I remember the eyeless mask for these guys from the first Star Trek. Creepy as hell
Tellarites would be my jam! I love a spirited debate but people always seem to start getting salty when it all started in good fun.
Having a nice argument, having my mind changed and maybe changing a few of my own until we all lose our voice and go have dinner sounds like a great day out with friends.
Tellarites are a race of people forever living in "change my mind" mode.
Very cool video. I only know them from the "Journey to Babel" episode, where they seemed like they wanted to fight and argue. Thank you for fleshing them out (as it were).
yo, there's a super high-frequency beeping all through this that's actually painful. I didn't even know I could hear those frequencies anymore.
Pretty sure it's some kind of triangle or percussion in the music. And yea I agree it's pretty annoying
Fascinating!
Man they would get along with the Ferangi so well.
4:32 wow, that's terrifying!
watching this and the andorian videos made me wonder... if these other species were founding members of the federation, and had achieved warp propulsion so long before humans, why are they still so rarely seen in starfleet? Why don't they have more colonies and planets filled with their race? I don't understand how humans ended up being 90% of the starfleet officers if Earth is just an equal partner in a federation where our technology is not remarkably better than the other races. Is there something about starfleet itself that is a barrier for other races to serve? Maybe the population of the federation as a whole is more equal but starfleet for some reason accepts disproportionately more humans. Why would that be?
Marina Sirtis was once asked why the aliens in star trek are all humanoid looking, She answered by saying; "When non humanoid actors start auditioning I'm pretty sure they'll be a shoe in". I'm pretty sure its a budgetary concern not having as many aliens portrayed as regular starfleet personel.
Yes, its a budget concern. Also: Star Fleet is not the one and only Academy out there. The Tellarites, Andorians, Caithians and Vulcans got theirn own academies and spaceships to help out the Federation. Also: Despite being a big happy Family: Even the founding members perfom culture exchange: Pupils, Officers, Scientist etc...
The Titan (Rikers first own ship) was not only a Ship Prototyp, but also the first pilot-project to consist of a very large and devierse/diffrent kind numbers of Federation Races. Can you emigine: Andorian as Security Chef, Tellarite as your first Officer or Ingeniuer while Vulcans and many others in betweeen? Would you like to manage that? Well Riker was one of the first Captains ever to make a succesful crew out of so many Species.
The magic of limited budgets.
Platzhallter did you infer this or is that canon? Do you have a source? So let me see if i understand you correctly... all of the federation uses Starfleet as their military arm, but within Starfleet there is segregation so they put all the aliens of one species on a particular ship? I've never seen that on the show or read it in any book but i defer to your knowledge on the subject. It just seems to fly in the face of Star Trek's progressive message that even in the future there is segregation in the military.
mafbloggerdanny Well, in TOS, I remember there was this one ship that was manned mostly by Vulcans that was destroyed, and Spock was able to feel it because Vulcans. Anyway, this shows that at least the Vulcans had their own ships, even as late as DS9 (as a Vulcan ship is mentioned having made contact with the Dominion), so something similar could possibly happen with the Andorrans, Tellarites, etc.
There are five founding members of the Federation; Earth, Alpha Centauri, Vulcan, Tellar, and Andor.
A race that considers it rude not to offer a counter argument to every point made? These guys are amazing. I love them already.
I'd assume that the reason we don't see a lot of them is because they are probably quite difficult to right. And their culture makes them more of a novelty than anything, especially with the "insult everyone, argue everything" philosophy they have. They would probably not make very good Starfleet officers if they second guess and contradict EVERYTHING.
Vulcan - Vulcans
Tellar Prime - Tellarites
Andoria - Andorans
Earth - HuMaN
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In beta canon Geordi argues with a Tellerite subordinate. And when Laforge agreed with the Tellerite the crew person switc3 sides.
For the Kree Empire!
I haven't seen a vote this one-sided... ever. Maybe you should reconsider doing this, or some species a little more obscure, just for the helluvit. Afterall, people are only going to vote for the species they're already somewhat familiar with. Doing something unexpected might introduce people to something they've never heard of, something they might come to enjoy.
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The Tellarites are basically a race of that "DEBATE ME!" video, but unironically.
A race that enjoys arguing, debating and insults?...WHY ARE WE NOT FUNDING THIS?
You are already experiencing it, right here and now.
This is quite an interesting society, I do hope that we get to see more of the Tellarites in future Star Trek media.
My main toon on STO is a Tellarite Tactical officer.
I made a Tellarite TOS captain, but I also have a Tellarite FTL engineer on my main STO character.
Always loved the andorians, do them next please.
Oh god that ringing had me thinking that I my fire alarms were going off.
Loving this series. Looking forward to more!
the conflicts with the andorians is also probably due to how accessible resources were to each species
andorians had very little in means of resources and food leading them to end disputes quickly as to not waste more resources and energy, however the tellarites had an abundance of resources so they never really learnt not to squander them
Tellarite officer on a StarFleet ship would be interesting
Nice to see the Tellarites getting some love.
I just got a lot of respect for the tellarites. Their idea that all voices must be heard is at the heart of our own 1st Amendment here in the USA. Unfortunately, as James Madison said in so many words to Thomas Jefferson in 1823, we are too socially primitive to understand our own system of government. That verdict has not changed in 200 years.
Like the Federation the United States of America is founded on a collaboration of various cultures interpretation of natural law nomocracy, as per the Declaration of Independence. The two prime sources of natural law nomocracy within the constitutional republic known as the United States of America is drawn from The Works of John Locke and Thomas Aquinas and the Native American nation, which has existed for nearly a thousand years, the Haudenosaunee, better known as the Iroquois; from whom our constitution is patterned. R e f HR 331 100th Congress 2nd session 1988.
Benjamin Franklin, the oldest and wisest of our founding fathers, was unfortunately not as well heard as he should have been because he had a habit of sarcasm. in his 1784 essay remarks concerning the Savages of North America, Franklin noted a society that did not need any authority to enforce its laws nor a standing army to secure its borders; a society which he described as the ideal Utopia we're young men we're taught to be Warriors while pursuing the skill of philosophy and wisdom that they would be strong in youth and sages in old age. From the wisest of their elders the haudenosaunee select their leaders. we would be wise to revisit our foundations in order to bring America back on track under rule of natural law nomocracy within our Republic.
I imagine Tellarites would be quite tasty roasted and served with apple sauce.
Savage. Barbarian!
Hmm, they advocate free speech quite a lot
Flekk Bone Gnawer or their culture is based around seeing all possible view points since that will allow for the best one to go uncensored
Love the music
Why do I think the tellarites would make great rappers?
Another fun video. Love the Star Trek information, do the Andorians! Peace and love brother!🐗
RUclips subtitles be like "Hello! Wick here with another cultural Windex"
Tellarite's where very helpful during the Second Terran-Romulan War as not just as engineers but were deployed as diplomats on conquered Romulan worlds. With the Tal Shiar out of the way the Romulan civilians were free to speak after a Tellarite ambassadors were able to brake the ice in discussions. The freedom and new idea's the Commonwealth gave the Romulans became our greatest weapon during that war.
I’m surprised Star Trek has never done an episode about Bigfoot being an alien
Interesting you find that Tellarites are more like Humans than many other species in Trek, but it shouldn't be surprising. Humans and pigs share a whole lot of similarities, in behaviour, diet, and even DNA, since they successfully transplanted a genetically altered pig's heart into a human. It was mostly a success because he died of an easily avoidable disease the pig apparently had.
For one of the creators of the Federation and great engineers, tellarites are so out of focus, i would love a star trek series with a tellarite regular ( and/or Androian)
One of the pranks that Andorian high school girls pull on someone they don’t like is to wait until prom and then dump a bucket of Tellarite blood on them.
I've been thinking about my dreamcast for a trek series...
I wanted a Gorn engineer... and now i want a tellarite Captain!
Well of Souls- the Markovians
Watching these videos has lead me to believe the Star Trek universe simply ripped off Tolkien's books (at least in the beginning).
Humans are humans
Vulcans are elves
Tellarites are dwarves
Klingons are orcs
I'm still trying to figure out who the hobbits are though.
Klingons are space Vikings, ferengi are greedy little trolls, borg are communists...
Andorans?
Do you have one on the El-Aurians?
God do i wanna video on them. Theyre almost Star Trek's answer to Gallifreyans.
I like how they are basically space dwarves.
I REALLY REALLY REALLY HOPE the next Star Trek series goes more deeper into the Tellarites after the original series went so deed and original into them... If they don't, IDK, then there may be a deep discord between the producer class of people and fans. Witch, there probably is.
No Tellarites = No federation
You know the Tellarites are quite expects of engineering. Vulcans are expects of the science & while the Andorians are expects of the military.
I think out of all the science-fiction civilizations we could run into the Teluride certainly wouldn’t be the worst summer of us to what they do and people can adapt pretty well trust me
so they're the dwarves of ST (vulcans being elves, klingons being orcs, humans being, well, humans)... I'm not even mad (as in: that's pretty cool, imho)
Andorian Cultural Index, please.
Go for Andorians :)
what is the the high pitched pipe sound in the background? it drives me nuts !
the bugs from starship troopers
Bounty hunting isn't illegal, it isn't even amoral.... I don't understand the stigma.
It's a scifi thing, unless you're Samus Aran.
I wonder if we'll see them more in Star Trek Discovery.
I cant watch the video because of the music. All im picking up is the symbols amf it sound like an alarm going on im the background and im losing my fricken mind
good info here
Space Dwarfs?
Probably. And also talaxians look a bit like dwarfs
Tellarites would make great litigation lawyers. Just saying. Arguing for a living would be second nature to them.
4 founding races and 2 of them are very rarely seen in Star Trek, always found that weird, one would assume these races would form the majority of the crew on the ships of the federation..... seem only the humans are all in, the others just dispatch a few people to the fed....
Brian Mcbrian. One it was budget 1966. Weekly prosthetics were expensive. Two the writers hadn't thought that up yet. Originally the USS Enterprise 1966 episodes was from Earth Alliance or the United Earth. Spock is implied to be somewhat of an exchange, probably because he was mingo human. By the 67 episodes after Christmas, the writers had dreamed up the Federation and Journey to Babel was to showcase that.
Later they sorta explained it by saying some of the Starfleet vessels were all Vulcan, ergo there must be all Andorians and All Tellurites, etc... The Cruisers may have all been Earth staffed or maybe some were staffed by other worlds. However later it seemed each planet/colony race had their own designs.
Continuity is always difficult with a 50 year and a bunch of series. Dr Who had broken continuity by its second year.
Brian Mcbrian It's because humans are more likely to volunteer than other races.
We are natural explorers, contrary to the other species who prefer remaining in their borders.
Continuity across at least 5 or 6 series and over a dozen movies which span over 50 years (and a timeline of centuries) just isn't possible. Some of the writers/producers are quite literally the most passionate Star Trek fans in the world, meticulously researching or balancing every detail to achieve maximum canon consistency ... but most are just entertainment people doing their jobs, focussed on whatever they think looks/seems good, making some money, putting some Trek on their resumes, and moving on.
Fifty six Tellerites so far have given this video a thumbs down, because --- Tellarite.
What about doing some videos on Star Gate races like the Nox, Ancients and/or the Asguard?
thanks.
Well done, and I agree not enough done on the "classic" races...
Getting into a flame war with ANY Tellarite is absolutely begging for argumenta-non-grata…
Might as well round out the core Federation races. Go for the Andorians.
Andorians, Gorn, Cardassians, and The Founders
Gorn appeared in exactly one Star Trek episode. And were briefly mentioned or referenced in passing only a handful of times in other episodes. Not a whole lot to go on.
Fun.
The tellerites sound like a lot of fun lol
Andorians !!!
I tought about a little scenario with the Tellarites since it's canon that they had huge wars because of their main dialect (Voice wars). Starfleets personels goes to see some Tellarite theatrical event with live actors (like Romans open theater) and one of the actress on stage act her sadness because her son died and she keeps on lamenting in Tellarites "my son... my son..." but in their main tongue son is pronounced "lŌzer" and all the humans start laughing causing some political chain event.
It's interesting watching these videos and seeing the different species' different strengths. It made me think since the show is written as another species is basically "human except for X" which is understandable since the show is written from a human PoV (If other species even exist), but it got me thinking what advantages do humans in Star Trek have? I realized Star Trek has made humans main trait rapid advancement whether it be in tech, knowledge, etc. How many species were warp capable before humans, but have now been matched or surpassed by them? Q even seemed concerned with this in one of the earlier episodes if I recall right.
Drew pickles. This makes me think of an episode of Enterprise. In this one the Vulcan ambassador and the Star Fleet admiral are talking as they enter the embassy, the Vulcan says "You humans can be augmentative and stubborn like a Tellarite, or hot tempered as an Andorian, warlike as a Klingon, or deceiving and scheming as a Romualn. But what baffles us most, and frightens us some, is at times you can be rational and even logical and unemotional as a Vulcan."
I guess he is saying we can't pin you down culturally, we can adapt to many cultures and it's hard for the Vulcan's to grasp this.
DrewPicklesTheDark In an episode of DS9 Quark & Co discuss humanity achievements.
At one point it's pointed out how we have developed at double the average rate.
DrewPicklesTheDark Humanity main trait is the lack of a stable culture and our extreme curiosity. This means that we evolve culturally and technologically much faster than everyone else but we are prone to infighting and autodestruction.
Di'm wondering if they got a head start on humanity by just existing first or starting agriculture earlier. If they stared at the same time that's bragging rights if they started 1000 years before and beat humanity by a decade we get the bragging rights,
they were one of the best shipbuilding races and after joining the federation they intergrated most of that tech and knowhow into the newer generations of ships
Honestly I'd find their culture refreshing. The constant lies we have to tell to get by day to day on Earth are insane and taxing. Let alone the constant false friendships only to be stabbed in the back. A culture of just saying it all up front would be nice.
My vote is for the Kardashians. Where do they come from? & more importantly; how do we stop them?
I hate arguing all the time.. Find it stressful..
So I don't think I'd get along that well with a Tellarite.
The Orions, next?
I really enjoy your videos old chap... Keep them coming :-)
“Tellarites have a reputation for being renowned engineers, based on their race’s early affinity for mechanism as construction.”
Because our friends the Space-Elves (Vulcans) Space-Dark-Elves (Romulans) and Space-Orcs (Klingons) demanded some Space-Dwarves.
To be fair the orc characteristics the Klingons evoke were probably communicated the other way around, with 80s TNG having influenced fantasy writers and games.
The Jem’Hadar are closer to the classic Orcs than Klingons are.