Its a good thing that Vulcan suppressed their aggressive tendencies because the 1st contact could have been a invasion force rather then a peace force.
*logically illogical just to throw other races off as to what they are actually up to and keep them off balance with their own irrational emotional estimations and inaccurate theories*
I have something to say about Vulcan blood. Though most animals on earth have red blood, some have blue. The blue color is caused by the iron being replaced with copper. The Vulcans, however, have green blood. Some animals on earth also have green blood that has something similar sounding to chlorophyll replacing the iron. Since Vulcan is a hot and sunny-ass planet, it’d make sense for most life on the planet to make use of the extra sun, maybe by having everything performing photosynthesis to a degree. That’s just my theory to rectify a scientific inaccuracy. I’m most likely wrong but so was whoever decided the green blood thing.
Octopus blood is copper based and it's blue, not green. Recently, a group of 33 scientists worldwide-including molecular immunologist Edward Steele and astrobiologist Chandra Wickramasinghe-published a paper suggesting, in all seriousness, that octopuses may indeed are alien.
@@readhistory2023 We have "blood" invented at least 5 times on planet earth. There's the haemoglobin (red) blood in all vertebrates that turns darker red when deoxygenated. There's the haemocyanin (blue) blood in octopuses, spiders and molluscs that turns clear when deoxygenated. Then there's Chlorocruorin (green) blood that turns just a different shade of green if deoxygenated and you'll find in many worms and leeches. There's a purple variation (Abin Sur anyone?) called haemorythrin that you'll find in many ocean creatures - worms and brachiopods mainly - and that one also turns clear when deoxygenated. And lastly there's a version that you'll find in many fish - clear, colorless blood that has no color whatsoever because it has no oxygen carrying ingredients. And of all those types, the red one is the most efficient at surface pressures while the blue copper one is about 80% as efficient at surface pressures but it has some benefits over red blood at higher pressure.
I thought human blood obtained its reddish hue due the iron-oxide in hemoglobin, de-oxygenated blood is blue, as it lacks the oxygen present in iron-oxide. Oxides of copper have a greenish hue, thus Vulcan and Romulan blood would possess coloration common to the oxygenating agent.
Well when the species you interact the most can barely go past 100 years and tends to be rather emotional when it comes to their age especially getting jealous if someone seems "more well preserved" then them, you'd be private about your age too. I mean I don't consider myself to be all that vain when it comes to my age yet I was positively surprised when I found out that people thought that I was only in my mid 20s rather then my true age of late 30s (and as a man I obviously don't normally wear any make up so my age isn't hidden that way). Granted I live in modern day Europe and not the Federation but those things tend to be part of the human condition and something we would learn to control better rather get rid of.
@@JustAnNPC69 actually it's 220 at the most, in the star trek universe, unless you are referring to a specific Vulcan or storyline. Average lifespan is two hundred years.
T'Pol refused to tell Trip her age until he told her she reminded him of an old oil painting. She finally admitted she'd be 66 on her next birthday. To Vulcans, one's she is intimate. I guess so is their birthdays since she didn't tell him when she'd turn 66. She looks young for 66 though so I figure, she'd be about earth 20 yrs. younger.
Vulcans are like cats.Desert creatures. Calm, detached but can instantly turn viscous, violent. Amazingly strong and adaptable but happy in their own company but able to bond with humans.
issue is the vulcans went to far into logic so many vulcans talk and experince life like there robots unwilling to geuinely experince the emotional side of life at all only a few like spock and his family learned to balance the idea of living by logic while not denying emotion. while the romulans became extrem in the other direction a middle ground bewteen the species ways of life would be the best and most healthy if not the most centrally stable.
Well done! There was an article some years back (an "interview" with Spock) in which he described a great deal of Vulcan culture. One thing I remember was that there was a form of recreation in which a Vulcan had to walk out into the desert, being mindful of every step and all the details...he then had to find his way back, using the exact same steps, in the pitch darkness.
Must be an old ritualistic test, in which a Vulcan is responsible of finding their own way while also concentrating on maintaining control over their emotions in isolation. Most adult Vulcans could do this, but imagine one who had only started their meditation, lile say, a child or teenager. It must have been like hell to keep your mind strong enough.
Who are you talking about? I am sorry. What was the Breen being put up against in the voting? The Silence? Wait...what are we typing about? I just see the Breen. Wait what is this "The Silence"? ....What are you going on about?
The most obvious contradiction is that prior to logic Vulcans were a primitive tribal society. Except the Romulans had STL spacecraft in enough quantity to transport a large segment of the population elsewhere. So they were sophisticated and organized enough to built a fleet of long range STL spacecraft. Something beyond our current capability. So they couldn't have been too badly off. The idea that their planet experienced multiple nuclear wars isn't supported by their biology as a few tens of thousands of years wouldn't have allowed them to adapt. Now on the other hand if modern Vulcans were genetically engineered and wiped out the original Vulcans that would explain a lot and the revisionist history was a cover up of that genocide. A parallel to what happened on Earth in the setting.
If we want to logically view the earth than we have to face the dark past earth had. Facts: - Human culture is USA culture. - Human language is USA language. - Human knowledge about our past is the USA knowledge about our past. - Human society looks and acts like USA society. Star Trek lore says: - USA developed Warp engine first and other nations were to lazy or cheap to develop theirs. ILLOGICAL! - In France French people speak British english. ILLOGICAL i will not continue.. What happened is: 1. The USA started the Third World War. 2. Destroyd almost every other nation on Earth. 3. Occupied every country on earth and Americanized them, changed their language and their culture. 4. Sometimes the occupation was made by their vassals like in France where the UK made the dirty job. 5. The USA rewrote the history and reeducated the survivors of the Third World War. 6. The USA united the Earth and terrorized those people who doesn't wanted to assimilate. 7. After the Worldwide Reeducation and the genocide of those who were not willing to accept the New World Order finally the mankind united. The rewriten history and the killing of the independent thinkers made sure the mankind in the XXIII. and the XXIV. century became those self righteous know-everything-better better-than-other people we know and love. :) Sorry folks. This is the most logical scenario.
@@Zodroo_Tint That sounds way too damn hard. People are stubborn and will not bend; you'd have to perpetuate a genocide on a global scale, and it would only work if every other nuclear-capable nation just rolled over. I can't see totalitarian regimes like China capitulating like that. Additionally, it has been made apparent that holding locations like Afghanistan is really fucking hard; it took 20 years to hold it and "adopt" liberal values (not saying it's a good thing tbf).... it took less than 2 weeks for them to snap right back to their previous pre-war state of mind. You would literally have to kill every other human on the planet in order to kill every other culture; anything less would take far too long in order to fit in with the Star Trek timeline.
_"It's life Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it._ _It's life Jim, but not as we know, not as we know it, captain."_ - Spöck
Weird to think that a time that was once considered so far in the away that a futuristic sci fi show used it as a setting, is now a mere 43 years away.
Despite Vulcans suppressing their emotions they still express strong emotional attachment to valued family and friends. Spock to Kirk, Tuvok to Janeway, etc. And in the Field of Fire episode the Vulcan Lieutenant became psychotic because everyone he cared about was killed.
If you go with the Breen, check out the trial-sequences at the beginning and end of ST IV: There are some aliens in the background who look like early versions of the Breen. Maybe they were once some kind of associate members of the Federation (allies, but not fully integrated) and chose to leave at one point? (Breexit, anyone?😄) Great video about the Vulcans! Thank you for this! But let's forget about the "logic-extremists", shall we? There's nothing logical about them.
that would some what explain there hatred, but i do remember in serie enterprise in one episode that a race was dying becouse of some kind of virus but that a other species (living on the same planet) was imimuum against it. and had some dealings with pre federation starfleet orginisation du to contact with archer etc. so yea dont know with episode.. sadly
@Mellm Except that genetic engineering was banned by the Federation except to correct birth defects in an already conceived fetus. The biochemical and thus genetic difference between humans and vulcans is so great that conception shouldn't even be possible. The gametes wouldn't be compatible.
@@gregoryspangler5775 I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying it doesn't make sense for it to work. Klingon + Human makes more sense because their biochemistry is closer, even if it's still kinda nonsensical.
If I remember correctly, a human scientist was doing an experiment with space travel and his experiments are what alerted the Vulcans that there’s not only more life out there, but they also have space travel.
Vulcan neuropressure which is performed a bit like having a massage performed on you is said to be nearly as intimate as having sex and believe it or not The two participants i.e. the one performing it and the one it is performed on half the time wind up having sex afterwards. The other half of the time as it is performed the one that is performed on would Wind up falling asleep because it is that relaxing. It was mentioned in the andorian index That under the Vulcan High command they're acting more like the Romulan tal shiar that is because Vulcan High command probably were Romulan tal shiar which provides a reasonable explanation for the behaviour.
I think a good way to understand the relationship a Vulcan has to emotions is basically this: They are in complete control of their emotions, rather than their emotions being in control of them. They have emotion, but they don't allow the emotions to do the thinking. Logic guides the heart, rather than letting the heart run wild. Tuvok clearly cares for Janeway and Spock clearly cares for Kirk. But they would never let these emotions override their higher thinking. Their logic keeps their feelings in their proper place. Humans, we often times let our emotions guide our actions. But see I think that's why humans and Vulcans work so well together. They're two sides of the same coin. Vulcans are guided by logic, where as humans are more so guided by emotion. When the two work together, they can find the proper balance and end up with better solutions than either race could achieve on their own. It's fortune then that Vulcans were the first species humans made contact with, and this balanced relationship is probably one reason why the federation ended up become such a success.
There is an inconsistancy in Vulcan physiology. On a slightly higher gravity planet than Earth, one could think that the heart would better placed higher in the body than where they put it. It would beneficiate more from gravity and less have to fight against it, just like giraffes' hearts are at the base of the neck. So having the heart this low makes no sense. You could still consider that a vulcan heart would be on average bigger and stronger than a human heart by comparison, but still. I understand they wanted to include exotic features to make the species more alien, but they are still bipedal mammals with the same basic architecture just slightly stronger and more efficient organs due to more arid environment, so yeah, they could have had the heart at the same place and shape than humans, it wouldn't make any difference on the fact their blood is chemically different anyway and have other features specific to their evolution... As for Sarek, we could think that Sarek has a fetish on human females since at Amanda's death he remarries with another human female, Perrin instead of chosing a Vulcan (perhaps also because it would mean that the Vulcan female would either have to be the same age or they that they wouldn't be able to age at the same rythm. Another idea is that him being on Earth has played a role in his choice because close proximity made him prefer human females because they were the only ones near him during his Pon Farr and that possible Vulcan female colleagues would already be married.
You see well. They wanted to add something alien to it and they couldn't for budgetary reasons so they said his heart is where our liver is, "look I told you he is an alien". Real aliens in movies the Xenomorph the Predator, the Prawns and there is few more. Star Trek aliens are humans with very little or absolutelly no make up. I understand they had no money in the late 60's and I accept the original Klingon look, no need to explain with some ENT bullshit but we have to keep it real and say these are space opera aliens not real aliens, and Star Trek writers are not scientist but low paid nerds. I think they should have embraced the fact they are cheap and forget about these pseudoscientific bullcraps. If they look like us than obviously they look like us inside too. Heart is there for a reason, not because it could be anywhere in the body. Farscape and Babylon 5 did a better job with aliens. Even the Farscape peacekeepers who where human look a like were explained very good.
@@carlossantana4086 First of all, those 3x denser muscles have the same problem what the heart have, Vulcan have a human body so they should have the same limitation than humans have. Second: if their heart is not in the right hight than their body is an evolutionary failure. They are inferior as a species. You can't just say things like this liver-heart thing, it is lazy screen writing. One of the biggest flaw and charm of Star Trek. Don't fight against it, they are suck at science, accept it! :)
Evolution has many flaws, such as the spine, eyes, teeth, the nerve to speak being looped the long way round, so it is accurate that Vulcan’s would have at least some evolutionary mistakes too
I love on Enterprise that one Vulcan told Archer That The Vulcans Feared the the Humans, because Humans have managed to do in just 50 years what took the vulcans 1500 years to accomplish. that is why they kept holding back warp technologies from the Humans for along time, and why Archer hated them for it.
Its worth noting that there where groups of vulcans who did permit themselves to explore emotions without too much drama (well except mind-rape dude), and while they where somewhat oppressed under the old vulcan high command, after the events of ST:ENT its not clear the more liberal Vulcan high command that emerged would have continued the suppression. Certainly mind melds apparently had become permitted, including with other humanoids (which would have unavoidably led to exposure to strong emotion).
Admittedly, my knowledge is limited to the original run of Star Trek series & the movies, with ST: Enterprise being the most recent series, & ST: Nemesis being the most recent movie. During my Trek fandom period, I read the official novels set in TV & movie periods for TOS, NextGen, DS9 & Voyager; & I had an extensive library of tie-in books, blueprints & maps published during the same period. I always assumed Vulcan had various subcultures, partly regional (as on Earth) & partly philosophical. My takeaway from the various Vulcan personality types met during the franchise, coupled with things Surak told Archer in the episode where they met, was that Surak was teaching his people a philosophy of MODERATION, rather than pure logic & suppression of emotion. This means the practitioners of Kolinahr are extremists. One thing I really appreciated in ST:Enterprise was the way that Vulcans were not our familiar Vulcans. By that point in the show, it had been established that the Vulcan default methodology was slow & methodical. That was the point of contention between Vulcan & Earth. The Vulcans in that show were not used to regular interaction with brash, emotional species. Spock's grandmother T'Pau was a young woman, T'Pol's contemporary. The children alive during the events of Enterprise were the first generation to whom this alliance was normal. T'Pol was a Vulcan trailblazer, demonstrating how it was possible that 2 such dissimilar species could live & work together. Intrepid likely had an all-Vulcan crew because Vulcan culture was still adapting to the Federation. In the 23rd Century, the Federation was only about a century old. Slow, methodical cultures need time to adapt. This' why we didn't see multiple Vulcans fully integrated into multi-species crews until the late 23rd Century/early 24th Century!
I just realized how similar the history and nature of Vulcans are to Klingons. Only the Klingons overembraced their impulses and destructive feelings while the Vulcans totally suppressed them. They're like the two extreme answers to one and the same emotional problem. Plus they're both stronger than humans and have strong ties to rituals and spirituality. They could easily have switched positions, it was just historic events that made one race the explorers and the other the invaders.
Ah, the Breen. Always wearing masks. Perhaps it is a religious practice to always hide their features. Similar to those of the Mandalorians. Which can bring in an even stronger tie. Allow me to theorize. A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a lone mando pursues his bounty. Assume he has a copy of his creed on board for his perusal. Also he has various items, say a helmet from a fellow hunter that resembled one that Leah wore on Tatooine. He kicks in hyperdrive, has a malfunction of life support systems. He shoots out of the galaxy in hyperspace, centuries ago, crosses into ours, energy barrier knocks him into normal space, Breen find him, like that other helmet, and make their own. They also decipher the mando's creed and adapt some aspects of that too. Its a theory. Either that or the ST devs watched SW Episode 6 and got lazy.
The Vulcans of Star Trek much like the Jedi in Star Wars practice stringent emotional control because they fear what they can become if their emotions are left unchecked. Personally think a Vulcan would make the perfect Jedi or one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time.
I’ve always though that the Breen were a conglomeration of races and people, who simply chose to become Breen, and so wore the uniform, which provided them a perfect atmosphere and comfort. The Breen allowed some member species to be revealed early on to throw off the conceptions others had, and so people assumed the suits were refrigeration types and the beings within possessed no blood, which was actually only true for one of them.
We are led to believe that the Breen homeworld is a frozen wasteland but Weyoun states it's actually a normal pleasant planet they just wont tell outsiders why they wear refrigeration suits.
@@SchneeflockeMonsoon It's probably again like the Mando'ade. Each Suit built to it's wearers needs. So if you need a refrigeration suit, you get one, but if you don't, you'll get one without a refrig unit.
Humaans, as Quark would say, are really stupid. Why? See Star Trek: Deep Space Nine for an answer. Oh, unless you have a VHS or a CD, I suggest you subscribe to Netflix. This not an advertisement but just a logical advice......
A lot of people initially see the Vulcans ritualistic adherence to ancient traditions as something that contradicts their pursuit of logic and science... But it really isn't. For humanity, our ideas of rituals and traditions are born of times when we as a species thought the Earth had corners, the sun and moon were siblings, and there was a deity to pray to for every conceivable niche of life. This time in many of our cultures stifled the pursuit of sciences and alternate philosophies, or stopped it altogether by branding it as heretical... But it was the _opposite_ for Vulcans. The rituals and traditions that Vulcans adhere to are the very things that allow them to overcome their volatile nature in order to focus on their pursuit of logic and science. Without those rituals and traditions being adhered to, and without the discipline being instilled and enforced by such strict adherence, they risk regressing back into the savages they were only a few generations ago (they live over 200 years, generations are much longer for them). EDIT: Just some math for added context; If we consider a Human generation to be about 70 years and a Vulcan one is about 200... That means there's fewer generations of Vulcans from the time of Kirk to Surak (roughly 20 Vulcan generations) than generations of Humans from the year this video was posted to the Fall of Rome (roughly 22 Human generations)... And that's tilting the comparison for Humans, considering we didn't usually live to 70 until the 1800's (adjusting the length of a Human generation according to the average lifespan would give between 30 and 50 generations, but I'm not going to go THAT far in-depth).
Does anyone know if the Diane Duane novel _Spock's World_ is considered canon? It's a great read and has a lot of history on Vulcan mutations such as the protective inner eyelid and the rise of some of their 'psychic' powers. It also takes a look at (way) pre-Sarek Vulcan culture, possible in a time frame analogous to our pre-history when we shared the planet with Neanderthals. There is also a current time plot line concerning a movement on Vulcan for succession from the Federation, but I found that to be secondary to all the early history details. I've read it several times and it never fails to entertain.
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No book is considered canon. However, until a piece of information is not explicitely contradicted in alpha canon, it might be canonically true :)
Potentially contentious idea, but couldn't Vulcans get through Ponn Farr without dying by succumbing to their emotions briefly and having an anger wank?
I never understood how the vulcans must always suppress their emotions because they are so self-destructive and romulans are just fine being very paranoid. They have a bigger empire and better tech also.
while it may be true that Vulcans cannot revel in the 'emotional fulfillment' prevalent among other cultures, it is also true that few from those other cultures can summon the discipline to embrace a purely logic-based lifestyle and all the insights into the universe which are the rewards o' such a pursuit. for my money i'd much rather be a Vulcan (or at the very least wish humans would lean more towards logic and less towards boasting about its profound ignorance...)
To see the future Scientifically is to reflect on our own stupidities as humans of yesterdays and today, but today is not yesterday and today is certainly not tomorrow, so let tomorrow decide. Why? Because we are Human Beings !!!
Vulcans are three times as strong as humans yet Captain Archer was bustin Vulcan ass in the Forge when he was on their planet. Course Archer threw hands pretty good against Xindi Reptilians and Klingons too so maybe he was just a special dude.
Whats funny is how vulcans in fact use emotions all the time, so they really don’t suppress as they choose to use logic more so than emotion, but still a lot of their decisions and they things they do, the things they wear or how they act aren’t based on logic sometimes but in fact emotional things.
what if human race a root start/ root end we may be the weakest but posses greatest innermost potential look at the world through out history like a bunch of neutron star even pulsar like we need better control of ourselves ----
from a star trek cannon book the vulcans are known as the T'Khasi and the planet Charon is known as T'Khuts. but the T'Khasians took on the name of Vulcan that the Humans gave them from mythology
I always wondered if the “my mind to your mind” was necessary for the process of a mind meld, or if it just helped the person/people involved to focus and make it easier
Ric: "Oh yeah. The Silence from, 'Doctor Who'. I've said that. What was I saying?" Me: You were saying how you just decided that you were going to do the Breen and that your tea is over rated, like John Wayne, and that it should be thrown into the English Channel.
Storozhevoy 75 You do realise that a.) John Wayne is originally ‘Marion Robert Morrison’ and was born on ‘26th of May, 1907’ in Winterset, Iowa, U.S (though Winterset does sound like a sleeping Dorset village) and tea (Although yes English breakfast is be overrated), originated in ‘Southwest China during the Shang dynasty, where it was used as a medicinal drink. An early credible record of tea drinking dates to the 3rd century AD, in a medical text written by Hua Tuo.’ It would be nice to see the Breen having a cultural index mainly made of what authors and creators have put together..... that being said, the silence has just as much cultural information (at most)......... Hehehehehe atmos)) as the Breen so I suggest that rick/ric does both. As there is a concentration of Star Trek material lately (Thank you STO & STP)...... I’ve been Jeebus, thanks for reading. 😄😉
if you base the heart position on where Bones pointed it out to be located at the end of one of the TOS shows is actually was near the bottom of the left rib cage, which I believe is about where the stomach is in humans, if memory serves me properly. ruclips.net/video/GrVqmYzGTuM/видео.html
It's a trip that alien races of star Trek lore, ALL behave in a SINGLE planetary ETHNICITY. UNLIKE US humans. With HUNDREDS of dialects and SKIN TONES, BELIEF SYSTEMS, and Values.
I hate to take this to a weird place, but Vulcan's sound a lot like INFJ's. A huge well of emotions, contained. Occasionally spilling over, typically observed by a select chosen few. In an age where everyone is entirely open with their emotions and thoughts, they are the rare few who must navigate the world differently.
Vulcans are interesting and it surprised me how it was shown in Enterprise that they were a bit afraid of humans and their potential. It took vulcans over 1000 years to rebuild their civilization after their nuclear wars but humanity managed to do the same in less than a century. And I believe contemporary vulcans are still far from the true teachings of Surak. In Enterprise it seemed that Surak didn't completely repress his emotions, he only used his logic and meditation to control them.
Your claim about the vulcans being the first extra terestirals encountered by mankind is incorrect. In the 1800s, man kind encountered a race of enegery stealing aliens and a klingon (TNG: Time's Arrow) Also, in 1947, Mankind encountered the Ferengi (DS9: Little Green Men)
If the Kolinahr is as painful as you depict at 7:26, than a Vulcan who was a student of its discipline would not express it, not even physically. I realize you were trying to show the medalian one gets when achieving the Kolinahr, but the image is actually of Spock feeling powerful emotions after being contacted by V'ger and, because he felt emotion, he did ot achieve the Kolinahr
Yes humans can go a week without sleep, but if we do, we don't function as well. If I don't get about 5 - 8 hours of sleep every 24-hour period, I will sit down and fall asleep as you are talking to me
For years I’ve lived fine with my own theory why Romulus have a more stable psyche than Vulkans, have forehead ridge, and no telepathic abilities: they’ve bred with Remans. That’s also why Remans have pointy ears. (Honestly no idea what the most common fan theories are because I don’t follow that.) Then came ST Picard, ridged Romulus are “northerners” and I’m confused again....
I find myself preferring the history and lore of Vulcans as was written in the novel Spock's World and some additional details in Sarek. Both very good books to read.
This does explain why Spock never really showed emotion. I didn't understand it at the time when I did see clips of the first Star Trek. I also didn't know about the physical properties. My guess is that introducing Data nulled the necessary need for a Vulcan, but the same could be argued as to why would they have Worf, a Klingon. It was a way for the series to expand on other races. Now I need to watch about Klingons for comparison.
What I love about the Vulcans is that they show how spirituality and ritual aren't necessarily 'illogical', since they can be means to an end. If they're the best way of achieving those ends, then these practices are, by definition, logical. We know as a matter of psychological fact that ritual practices are a great way of focusing the mind, help to make life more structured, and can help us to achieve a state of calm. They can also be used to help to create social cohesion (as in Confucian philosophy). Similarly with spirituality, if spirituality is defined in a loose non-supernatural sense. Meditation, again, is something we know has many psychological benefits, and the benefits of these practices to a people like the Vulcans are obvious.
Wait... Vulcan is M-Class? I would have placed it as L-Class, with breathable atmosphere, given that it is considered "harsh" toward other humanoids other than Vulcan. Same for Andoria/Andor, but then again... that's a moon, much like Europa in orbit of the Sol system's biggest gas-giant. I would have loved to see an episode of TNG, DS9 or ENT for that matter, where it was reclassified using Logic, with Vulcans have to swallow their non-existent pride.
Then again, now that I think about it, it might have been a proper lush M-class planet in the past, prior to the Nuclear Civil War. But we have seen planets being re-designated, due to harrowing climate change. So are they insisting on calling M-Class out of tradition? History?
Vulcans = Space High Elves
Romulans = Space Dark Elves
Allen Linnen, Jr. loved it
What are the Space Wood Elves?
if you play The Elder Scrolls games, you will interpret this very differently.
@@kabobawsome the species with that really elasticity skin because that's probably the closest
Vulcans: LOTR Elves
Romulans: Hellboy II, Guillermo del Toro Elves
Ever considered doing an index for humans? I'm always interested in how the other races thinks of them in Star Trek's universe.
There is a Terran empire vid, pretty that video is the closest there will be for a human cultural index.
CivilizationEX has a great video on starfleet as as well as video’s on the dominion war and section 31
I second this!
@@PyroJohn19 Terrans reflect humans as they are in the present day irl so it counts for this XD
Hoomans are a bunch of know-it-all do-gooders.
However, if a Vulcan were to fake emotion, they would be
considered textbook psychopaths.
They cannot lie
@@MPYarnall they can and do lie
That's actually very true
Not necessarily. Motivation is a factor.
They can and will lie because their training enables them to often get away with it
I think it's a neat idea that the Vulcans are actually, at the core of their being, more emotional than any other species in Star Trek.
Its a good thing that Vulcan suppressed their aggressive tendencies because the 1st contact could have been a invasion force rather then a peace force.
I love the Vulcans for their contradictions it's very nuanced
*logically illogical just to throw other races off as to what they are actually up to and keep them off balance with their own irrational emotional estimations and inaccurate theories*
It’s almost as amusing as the sometimes self defeating beliefs and practices of the klingons
I have something to say about Vulcan blood.
Though most animals on earth have red blood, some have blue. The blue color is caused by the iron being replaced with copper.
The Vulcans, however, have green blood. Some animals on earth also have green blood that has something similar sounding to chlorophyll replacing the iron. Since Vulcan is a hot and sunny-ass planet, it’d make sense for most life on the planet to make use of the extra sun, maybe by having everything performing photosynthesis to a degree.
That’s just my theory to rectify a scientific inaccuracy. I’m most likely wrong but so was whoever decided the green blood thing.
Octopus blood is copper based and it's blue, not green. Recently, a group of 33 scientists worldwide-including molecular immunologist Edward Steele and astrobiologist Chandra Wickramasinghe-published a paper suggesting, in all seriousness, that octopuses may indeed are alien.
"sunny-ass planet" is my new favourite classification.
@@readhistory2023 We have "blood" invented at least 5 times on planet earth. There's the haemoglobin (red) blood in all vertebrates that turns darker red when deoxygenated. There's the haemocyanin (blue) blood in octopuses, spiders and molluscs that turns clear when deoxygenated. Then there's Chlorocruorin (green) blood that turns just a different shade of green if deoxygenated and you'll find in many worms and leeches. There's a purple variation (Abin Sur anyone?) called haemorythrin that you'll find in many ocean creatures - worms and brachiopods mainly - and that one also turns clear when deoxygenated. And lastly there's a version that you'll find in many fish - clear, colorless blood that has no color whatsoever because it has no oxygen carrying ingredients. And of all those types, the red one is the most efficient at surface pressures while the blue copper one is about 80% as efficient at surface pressures but it has some benefits over red blood at higher pressure.
@@kataseiko Pretty cool explanation. Thank you for that. :)
I thought human blood obtained its reddish hue due the iron-oxide in hemoglobin, de-oxygenated blood is blue, as it lacks the oxygen present in iron-oxide. Oxides of copper have a greenish hue, thus Vulcan and Romulan blood would possess coloration common to the oxygenating agent.
“I _hate_ sand. It’s course, and rough, and irritating, and it gets _everywhere.”_
- Surak of Vulcan
Vulcans seem very private when it comes to their age. They always seem to want to dodge or deflect the question.
Well when the species you interact the most can barely go past 100 years and tends to be rather emotional when it comes to their age especially getting jealous if someone seems "more well preserved" then them, you'd be private about your age too.
I mean I don't consider myself to be all that vain when it comes to my age yet I was positively surprised when I found out that people thought that I was only in my mid 20s rather then my true age of late 30s (and as a man I obviously don't normally wear any make up so my age isn't hidden that way).
Granted I live in modern day Europe and not the Federation but those things tend to be part of the human condition and something we would learn to control better rather get rid of.
@@SampoPaalanen in the star trek universe, humans usually live from 125-140 years. Not too bad.
Bruce Banner vulcans can lived up to 300
@@JustAnNPC69 actually it's 220 at the most, in the star trek universe, unless you are referring to a specific Vulcan or storyline. Average lifespan is two hundred years.
T'Pol refused to tell Trip her age until he told her she reminded him of an old oil painting. She finally admitted she'd be 66 on her next birthday. To Vulcans, one's she is intimate. I guess so is their birthdays since she didn't tell him when she'd turn 66. She looks young for 66 though so I figure, she'd be about earth 20 yrs. younger.
Vulcans are like cats.Desert creatures. Calm, detached but can instantly turn viscous, violent. Amazingly strong and adaptable but happy in their own company but able to bond with humans.
Breen, go with the Breen next.
I love the idea but has there been anything new about the breen since DS9?
Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end.
Finding a balance between logic and emotion sounds like something to strive for.
Logic is not the end of knowledge just the beginning
Logic is not the end of knowledge just the beginning: surak i think
Yeah... I always thought Romulas got a bad wrap too ;)
issue is the vulcans went to far into logic so many vulcans talk and experince life like there robots unwilling to geuinely experince the emotional side of life at all only a few like spock and his family learned to balance the idea of living by logic while not denying emotion.
while the romulans became extrem in the other direction a middle ground bewteen the species ways of life would be the best and most healthy if not the most centrally stable.
We love your videos! Bless you! Yes I got the joke. Forge....
Wait a second, isn't nerve pinch basically the mythical Chinese "点穴" technique?
Oh yes, because aliens who hadn't met with humanity yet until our future would know of an ancient Chinese technique. Because that makes sense
probably.
in good fiction they usually base a lot of stuff on real world things they embellish to fit the narrative.
Well done! There was an article some years back (an "interview" with Spock) in which he described a great deal of Vulcan culture. One thing I remember was that there was a form of recreation in which a Vulcan had to walk out into the desert, being mindful of every step and all the details...he then had to find his way back, using the exact same steps, in the pitch darkness.
Must be an old ritualistic test, in which a Vulcan is responsible of finding their own way while also concentrating on maintaining control over their emotions in isolation.
Most adult Vulcans could do this, but imagine one who had only started their meditation, lile say, a child or teenager. It must have been like hell to keep your mind strong enough.
The Silence, as much as I love the Breen the Silence are much cooler and much more frightening
Who are you talking about? I am sorry. What was the Breen being put up against in the voting? The Silence? Wait...what are we typing about? I just see the Breen. Wait what is this "The Silence"? ....What are you going on about?
@@Qardo the silence are a race from doctor who
@@dequavis8640 who? what are we talking about?...........what?
t3h51d3w1nd3r I’m not sure, why are there a bunch of lines on me
Shibu What doctor are you talking about and what does it have do star trek? What is the name of this mysterious doctor? Doctor who?
The most obvious contradiction is that prior to logic Vulcans were a primitive tribal society. Except the Romulans had STL spacecraft in enough quantity to transport a large segment of the population elsewhere. So they were sophisticated and organized enough to built a fleet of long range STL spacecraft. Something beyond our current capability. So they couldn't have been too badly off. The idea that their planet experienced multiple nuclear wars isn't supported by their biology as a few tens of thousands of years wouldn't have allowed them to adapt. Now on the other hand if modern Vulcans were genetically engineered and wiped out the original Vulcans that would explain a lot and the revisionist history was a cover up of that genocide. A parallel to what happened on Earth in the setting.
when i see stl i think of the standard template library, but i'm sure that's not what you mean.
so what do you mean by stl?
@@sabin97 slower than light
If we want to logically view the earth than we have to face the dark past earth had.
Facts:
- Human culture is USA culture.
- Human language is USA language.
- Human knowledge about our past is the USA knowledge about our past.
- Human society looks and acts like USA society.
Star Trek lore says:
- USA developed Warp engine first and other nations were to lazy or cheap to develop theirs. ILLOGICAL!
- In France French people speak British english. ILLOGICAL
i will not continue..
What happened is:
1. The USA started the Third World War.
2. Destroyd almost every other nation on Earth.
3. Occupied every country on earth and Americanized them, changed their language and their culture.
4. Sometimes the occupation was made by their vassals like in France where the UK made the dirty job.
5. The USA rewrote the history and reeducated the survivors of the Third World War.
6. The USA united the Earth and terrorized those people who doesn't wanted to assimilate.
7. After the Worldwide Reeducation and the genocide of those who were not willing to accept the New World Order finally the mankind united. The rewriten history and the killing of the independent thinkers made sure the mankind in the XXIII. and the XXIV. century became those self righteous know-everything-better better-than-other people we know and love. :)
Sorry folks. This is the most logical scenario.
@@Zodroo_Tint That sounds way too damn hard. People are stubborn and will not bend; you'd have to perpetuate a genocide on a global scale, and it would only work if every other nuclear-capable nation just rolled over. I can't see totalitarian regimes like China capitulating like that. Additionally, it has been made apparent that holding locations like Afghanistan is really fucking hard; it took 20 years to hold it and "adopt" liberal values (not saying it's a good thing tbf).... it took less than 2 weeks for them to snap right back to their previous pre-war state of mind.
You would literally have to kill every other human on the planet in order to kill every other culture; anything less would take far too long in order to fit in with the Star Trek timeline.
@@sabin97 3d printer models :)
_"It's life Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it._
_It's life Jim, but not as we know, not as we know it, captain."_ - Spöck
There's Klingons off the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow! There's Klingons off the starboard bow, scrap em off Jim.
Ha, we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill men
I love you two! xD
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🎵on the starship Enterprise, along with Captain Kirk🎵
Weird to think that a time that was once considered so far in the away that a futuristic sci fi show used it as a setting, is now a mere 43 years away.
Despite Vulcans suppressing their emotions they still express strong emotional attachment to valued family and friends. Spock to Kirk, Tuvok to Janeway, etc. And in the Field of Fire episode the Vulcan Lieutenant became psychotic because everyone he cared about was killed.
If you go with the Breen, check out the trial-sequences at the beginning and end of ST IV: There are some aliens in the background who look like early versions of the Breen.
Maybe they were once some kind of associate members of the Federation (allies, but not fully integrated) and chose to leave at one point?
(Breexit, anyone?😄)
Great video about the Vulcans! Thank you for this!
But let's forget about the "logic-extremists", shall we? There's nothing logical about them.
that would some what explain there hatred, but i do remember in serie enterprise in one episode that a race was dying becouse of some kind of virus but that a other species (living on the same planet) was imimuum against it.
and had some dealings with pre federation starfleet orginisation du to contact with archer etc.
so yea dont know with episode.. sadly
Do Breen, but I would like to see a Cultural Index for Bajorans.
I've always been scratching my head on how a Human/Vulcan hybrid even works, due to the extreme differences in biochemistry.
@Mellm
Except that genetic engineering was banned by the Federation except to correct birth defects in an already conceived fetus. The biochemical and thus genetic difference between humans and vulcans is so great that conception shouldn't even be possible. The gametes wouldn't be compatible.
U KNOW SPOCK IS A HALF BREED. HIS DAD IS VULCAN.& MOM IS HUMAN. HUMANS&OTHERS HUMANOID ALIENS. KILGONS' ROMLUNS... DO HAVE KIDS!!!
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I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying it doesn't make sense for it to work. Klingon + Human makes more sense because their biochemistry is closer, even if it's still kinda nonsensical.
@@gregoryspangler5775 DID YOU BREAK YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY TOO?
@@theprehistoricastronaut8612 R UR BRAIN CELLS DRY UP.😂😂😂
I have to make something clear, We didn’t encountered the Vulcans they encountered us.
If I remember correctly, a human scientist was doing an experiment with space travel and his experiments are what alerted the Vulcans that there’s not only more life out there, but they also have space travel.
@@Gaspucci Pretty much. They made an official "first contact" with Earth when warp drive was discovered...
How do Human in Trek constantly beat up Vulcans and Klingons?
Plot and adrenaline is a hell of a drug
Plot armor and protagonism
Emotions can drive a person harder and trigger chemical responses like cortisol, endorphins, and most importantly, adrenaline.
Vulcan neuropressure which is performed a bit like having a massage performed on you is said to be nearly as intimate as having sex and believe it or not The two participants i.e. the one performing it and the one it is performed on half the time wind up having sex afterwards. The other half of the time as it is performed the one that is performed on would Wind up falling asleep because it is that relaxing.
It was mentioned in the andorian index That under the Vulcan High command they're acting more like the Romulan tal shiar that is because Vulcan High command probably were Romulan tal shiar which provides a reasonable explanation for the behaviour.
I think a good way to understand the relationship a Vulcan has to emotions is basically this: They are in complete control of their emotions, rather than their emotions being in control of them. They have emotion, but they don't allow the emotions to do the thinking. Logic guides the heart, rather than letting the heart run wild.
Tuvok clearly cares for Janeway and Spock clearly cares for Kirk. But they would never let these emotions override their higher thinking. Their logic keeps their feelings in their proper place.
Humans, we often times let our emotions guide our actions. But see I think that's why humans and Vulcans work so well together. They're two sides of the same coin. Vulcans are guided by logic, where as humans are more so guided by emotion. When the two work together, they can find the proper balance and end up with better solutions than either race could achieve on their own. It's fortune then that Vulcans were the first species humans made contact with, and this balanced relationship is probably one reason why the federation ended up become such a success.
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There is an inconsistancy in Vulcan physiology. On a slightly higher gravity planet than Earth, one could think that the heart would better placed higher in the body than where they put it. It would beneficiate more from gravity and less have to fight against it, just like giraffes' hearts are at the base of the neck.
So having the heart this low makes no sense. You could still consider that a vulcan heart would be on average bigger and stronger than a human heart by comparison, but still. I understand they wanted to include exotic features to make the species more alien, but they are still bipedal mammals with the same basic architecture just slightly stronger and more efficient organs due to more arid environment, so yeah, they could have had the heart at the same place and shape than humans, it wouldn't make any difference on the fact their blood is chemically different anyway and have other features specific to their evolution...
As for Sarek, we could think that Sarek has a fetish on human females since at Amanda's death he remarries with another human female, Perrin instead of chosing a Vulcan (perhaps also because it would mean that the Vulcan female would either have to be the same age or they that they wouldn't be able to age at the same rythm. Another idea is that him being on Earth has played a role in his choice because close proximity made him prefer human females because they were the only ones near him during his Pon Farr and that possible Vulcan female colleagues would already be married.
Well they also have 3x denser muscles, perhaps this extra strength helps their heart become an airplane fuel pump.
One might also expect greater difficulty of respiration in more humid climates.
You see well. They wanted to add something alien to it and they couldn't for budgetary reasons so they said his heart is where our liver is, "look I told you he is an alien".
Real aliens in movies the Xenomorph the Predator, the Prawns and there is few more. Star Trek aliens are humans with very little or absolutelly no make up. I understand they had no money in the late 60's and I accept the original Klingon look, no need to explain with some ENT bullshit but we have to keep it real and say these are space opera aliens not real aliens, and Star Trek writers are not scientist but low paid nerds. I think they should have embraced the fact they are cheap and forget about these pseudoscientific bullcraps.
If they look like us than obviously they look like us inside too. Heart is there for a reason, not because it could be anywhere in the body. Farscape and Babylon 5 did a better job with aliens. Even the Farscape peacekeepers who where human look a like were explained very good.
@@carlossantana4086 First of all, those 3x denser muscles have the same problem what the heart have, Vulcan have a human body so they should have the same limitation than humans have.
Second: if their heart is not in the right hight than their body is an evolutionary failure. They are inferior as a species. You can't just say things like this liver-heart thing, it is lazy screen writing. One of the biggest flaw and charm of Star Trek. Don't fight against it, they are suck at science, accept it! :)
Evolution has many flaws, such as the spine, eyes, teeth, the nerve to speak being looped the long way round, so it is accurate that Vulcan’s would have at least some evolutionary mistakes too
I love on Enterprise that one Vulcan told Archer That The Vulcans Feared the the Humans, because Humans have managed to do in just 50 years what took the vulcans 1500 years to accomplish. that is why they kept holding back warp technologies from the Humans for along time, and why Archer hated them for it.
I don’t want to vote for the Breen, but I can’t remember what the other option was. (What I’m saying is do the Silence)
T'Pol? Mating cycle? Where's my battle axe, Qtip thingy? Hold my beer.
Its worth noting that there where groups of vulcans who did permit themselves to explore emotions without too much drama (well except mind-rape dude), and while they where somewhat oppressed under the old vulcan high command, after the events of ST:ENT its not clear the more liberal Vulcan high command that emerged would have continued the suppression. Certainly mind melds apparently had become permitted, including with other humanoids (which would have unavoidably led to exposure to strong emotion).
9:25 Good for the writers ironically, since life is full of contrasts!
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As of Star Trek Picard Romulans and Android's can now Mind-Meld.
Commodore Oh is half Vulcan. Half Vulcans have always been able to mind meld in Trek canon
I think the Romulan Cultural Index needs an update as well. Given the lore we get from Picard.
You should definitely start with the Breen, never turn your back on a Breen!
I found this video fascinating.
Admittedly, my knowledge is limited to the original run of Star Trek series & the movies, with ST: Enterprise being the most recent series, & ST: Nemesis being the most recent movie. During my Trek fandom period, I read the official novels set in TV & movie periods for TOS, NextGen, DS9 & Voyager; & I had an extensive library of tie-in books, blueprints & maps published during the same period.
I always assumed Vulcan had various subcultures, partly regional (as on Earth) & partly philosophical. My takeaway from the various Vulcan personality types met during the franchise, coupled with things Surak told Archer in the episode where they met, was that Surak was teaching his people a philosophy of MODERATION, rather than pure logic & suppression of emotion.
This means the practitioners of Kolinahr are extremists.
One thing I really appreciated in ST:Enterprise was the way that Vulcans were not our familiar Vulcans. By that point in the show, it had been established that the Vulcan default methodology was slow & methodical. That was the point of contention between Vulcan & Earth.
The Vulcans in that show were not used to regular interaction with brash, emotional species. Spock's grandmother T'Pau was a young woman, T'Pol's contemporary. The children alive during the events of Enterprise were the first generation to whom this alliance was normal.
T'Pol was a Vulcan trailblazer, demonstrating how it was possible that 2 such dissimilar species could live & work together.
Intrepid likely had an all-Vulcan crew because Vulcan culture was still adapting to the Federation. In the 23rd Century, the Federation was only about a century old. Slow, methodical cultures need time to adapt. This' why we didn't see multiple Vulcans fully integrated into multi-species crews until the late 23rd Century/early 24th Century!
I just realized how similar the history and nature of Vulcans are to Klingons. Only the Klingons overembraced their impulses and destructive feelings while the Vulcans totally suppressed them. They're like the two extreme answers to one and the same emotional problem. Plus they're both stronger than humans and have strong ties to rituals and spirituality. They could easily have switched positions, it was just historic events that made one race the explorers and the other the invaders.
So, we’d have Kor’s Brain and The Search For Kor.
Ah, the Breen. Always wearing masks. Perhaps it is a religious practice to always hide their features. Similar to those of the Mandalorians. Which can bring in an even stronger tie. Allow me to theorize. A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a lone mando pursues his bounty. Assume he has a copy of his creed on board for his perusal. Also he has various items, say a helmet from a fellow hunter that resembled one that Leah wore on Tatooine. He kicks in hyperdrive, has a malfunction of life support systems. He shoots out of the galaxy in hyperspace, centuries ago, crosses into ours, energy barrier knocks him into normal space, Breen find him, like that other helmet, and make their own.
They also decipher the mando's creed and adapt some aspects of that too.
Its a theory. Either that or the ST devs watched SW Episode 6 and got lazy.
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I got the "Forge" joke!
The Vulcans of Star Trek much like the Jedi in Star Wars practice stringent emotional control because they fear what they can become if their emotions are left unchecked. Personally think a Vulcan would make the perfect Jedi or one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time.
Holy shit
well, Jedi Spock is quite an old meme :)
I’ve always though that the Breen were a conglomeration of races and people, who simply chose to become Breen, and so wore the uniform, which provided them a perfect atmosphere and comfort. The Breen allowed some member species to be revealed early on to throw off the conceptions others had, and so people assumed the suits were refrigeration types and the beings within possessed no blood, which was actually only true for one of them.
So, Similar to the Legends Mandalorians, where it was more about the culture than the species of the warrior?
Variousnumber
Bingo.
We are led to believe that the Breen homeworld is a frozen wasteland but Weyoun states it's actually a normal pleasant planet they just wont tell outsiders why they wear refrigeration suits.
Paul Grattan
True, but Kira said hers wasn’t a refrigerator, so that leads me to believe only one or some of them actually are.
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It's probably again like the Mando'ade. Each Suit built to it's wearers needs. So if you need a refrigeration suit, you get one, but if you don't, you'll get one without a refrig unit.
Great video! I'm guessing Vulcans prefer to fly on Delta whilst here on Earth.
How would the inner eyelid protect the eye when it's open though? That's when the real damage would be done
Humaans, as Quark would say, are really stupid. Why? See Star Trek: Deep Space Nine for an answer. Oh, unless you have a VHS or a CD, I suggest you subscribe to Netflix. This not an advertisement but just a logical advice......
A lot of people initially see the Vulcans ritualistic adherence to ancient traditions as something that contradicts their pursuit of logic and science... But it really isn't.
For humanity, our ideas of rituals and traditions are born of times when we as a species thought the Earth had corners, the sun and moon were siblings, and there was a deity to pray to for every conceivable niche of life. This time in many of our cultures stifled the pursuit of sciences and alternate philosophies, or stopped it altogether by branding it as heretical... But it was the _opposite_ for Vulcans.
The rituals and traditions that Vulcans adhere to are the very things that allow them to overcome their volatile nature in order to focus on their pursuit of logic and science. Without those rituals and traditions being adhered to, and without the discipline being instilled and enforced by such strict adherence, they risk regressing back into the savages they were only a few generations ago (they live over 200 years, generations are much longer for them).
EDIT: Just some math for added context; If we consider a Human generation to be about 70 years and a Vulcan one is about 200...
That means there's fewer generations of Vulcans from the time of Kirk to Surak (roughly 20 Vulcan generations) than generations of Humans from the year this video was posted to the Fall of Rome (roughly 22 Human generations)... And that's tilting the comparison for Humans, considering we didn't usually live to 70 until the 1800's (adjusting the length of a Human generation according to the average lifespan would give between 30 and 50 generations, but I'm not going to go THAT far in-depth).
Who should be in the next video, The Silence or the Breen?
Me, "Yes."
never liked the volcans, i do love their writing (symbols)
Does anyone know if the Diane Duane novel _Spock's World_ is considered canon? It's a great read and has a lot of history on Vulcan mutations such as the protective inner eyelid and the rise of some of their 'psychic' powers. It also takes a look at (way) pre-Sarek Vulcan culture, possible in a time frame analogous to our pre-history when we shared the planet with Neanderthals. There is also a current time plot line concerning a movement on Vulcan for succession from the Federation, but I found that to be secondary to all the early history details. I've read it several times and it never fails to entertain.
No book is considered canon. However, until a piece of information is not explicitely contradicted in alpha canon, it might be canonically true :)
So many stagnant civilizations and cultures occupy the Star Trek universe.
Potentially contentious idea, but couldn't Vulcans get through Ponn Farr without dying by succumbing to their emotions briefly and having an anger wank?
Think of the Phoenicians the Jews and every tribe of Israel particularly the two lost tribes that ended up becoming the scythians
I never understood how the vulcans must always suppress their emotions because they are so self-destructive and romulans are just fine being very paranoid. They have a bigger empire and better tech also.
while it may be true that Vulcans cannot revel in the 'emotional fulfillment' prevalent among other cultures, it is also true that few from those other cultures can summon the discipline to embrace a purely logic-based lifestyle and all the insights into the universe which are the rewards o' such a pursuit. for my money i'd much rather be a Vulcan (or at the very least wish humans would lean more towards logic and less towards boasting about its profound ignorance...)
To see the future Scientifically is to reflect on our own stupidities as humans of yesterdays and today, but today is not yesterday and today is certainly not tomorrow, so let tomorrow decide. Why? Because we are Human Beings !!!
vulcans are just better than humans in every way,
smarter,
get older can get more experience,
telepathic,
stronger,
emotionenless
Vulcans are three times as strong as humans yet Captain Archer was bustin Vulcan ass in the Forge when he was on their planet. Course Archer threw hands pretty good against Xindi Reptilians and Klingons too so maybe he was just a special dude.
Whats funny is how vulcans in fact use emotions all the time, so they really don’t suppress as they choose to use logic more so than emotion, but still a lot of their decisions and they things they do, the things they wear or how they act aren’t based on logic sometimes but in fact emotional things.
I just noticed that humans and Vulcans would’ve met on my birthday night
I'm surprised that Vulcans don't have a higher rate of various infections (respiratory and integumentary) in more humid climates.
what if human race a root start/ root end
we may be the weakest but posses greatest innermost potential
look at the world through out history like a bunch of neutron star even pulsar like
we need better control of ourselves
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from a star trek cannon book the vulcans are known as the T'Khasi and the planet Charon is known as T'Khuts. but the T'Khasians took on the name of Vulcan that the Humans gave them from mythology
I always wondered if the “my mind to your mind” was necessary for the process of a mind meld, or if it just helped the person/people involved to focus and make it easier
I waited for this !! My favourite races are the Andorians and the Vulcan. Thanks
Ric: "Oh yeah. The Silence from, 'Doctor Who'. I've said that. What was I saying?"
Me: You were saying how you just decided that you were going to do the Breen and that your tea is over rated, like John Wayne, and that it should be thrown into the English Channel.
Storozhevoy 75 You do realise that a.) John Wayne is originally ‘Marion Robert Morrison’ and was born on ‘26th of May, 1907’ in Winterset, Iowa, U.S (though Winterset does sound like a sleeping Dorset village) and tea (Although yes English breakfast is be overrated), originated in ‘Southwest China during the Shang dynasty, where it was used as a medicinal drink. An early credible record of tea drinking dates to the 3rd century AD, in a medical text written by Hua Tuo.’ It would be nice to see the Breen having a cultural index mainly made of what authors and creators have put together..... that being said, the silence has just as much cultural information (at most)......... Hehehehehe atmos)) as the Breen so I suggest that rick/ric does both. As there is a concentration of Star Trek material lately (Thank you STO & STP)...... I’ve been Jeebus, thanks for reading. 😄😉
@@InsomniacJohnYou butchered my joke.
Storozhevoy 75 butchered or made better??? 😏
@@InsomniacJohn No, butchered.
Tea should only be thrown into Boston Harbor. Native American costume during the act of doing so is, thankfully, no longer required.
IS - Neither Romulus nor Vulcan have ever fallen in the Canon.
if you base the heart position on where Bones pointed it out to be located at the end of one of the TOS shows is actually was near the bottom of the left rib cage, which I believe is about where the stomach is in humans, if memory serves me properly. ruclips.net/video/GrVqmYzGTuM/видео.html
Such a Rich culture.
Breen the apocrypha is so interesting
please do the silence! also, what about the aliens fro the TNG episode First Contact?
It's a trip that alien races of star Trek lore, ALL behave in a SINGLE planetary ETHNICITY. UNLIKE US humans. With HUNDREDS of dialects and SKIN TONES, BELIEF SYSTEMS, and Values.
The writers could only focus on a few cultures or the lore would get to complex
They have soul mates too. Or at least they have a word for a soul mate.
I hate to take this to a weird place, but Vulcan's sound a lot like INFJ's. A huge well of emotions, contained. Occasionally spilling over, typically observed by a select chosen few. In an age where everyone is entirely open with their emotions and thoughts, they are the rare few who must navigate the world differently.
Vulcans are interesting and it surprised me how it was shown in Enterprise that they were a bit afraid of humans and their potential. It took vulcans over 1000 years to rebuild their civilization after their nuclear wars but humanity managed to do the same in less than a century.
And I believe contemporary vulcans are still far from the true teachings of Surak. In Enterprise it seemed that Surak didn't completely repress his emotions, he only used his logic and meditation to control them.
Your claim about the vulcans being the first extra terestirals encountered by mankind is incorrect. In the 1800s, man kind encountered a race of enegery stealing aliens and a klingon (TNG: Time's Arrow) Also, in 1947, Mankind encountered the Ferengi (DS9: Little Green Men)
And a Changeling.
Apollo...and the rest of the Greek Gods?
Technically the first formal face to face contact revealing themselves to the general public for the whole world to know.
Didn't Ginan's race come to Earth during the Renaissance?
@@danielpasilis4046 I had forgotten about that episode. Yes
Why are you covered in hash marks?
If the Kolinahr is as painful as you depict at 7:26, than a Vulcan who was a student of its discipline would not express it, not even physically. I realize you were trying to show the medalian one gets when achieving the Kolinahr, but the image is actually of Spock feeling powerful emotions after being contacted by V'ger and, because he felt emotion, he did ot achieve the Kolinahr
if this nerve pinch is a bioelectrical attack how did Data learn it?
A Human can go a week without sleep
Yes humans can go a week without sleep, but if we do, we don't function as well. If I don't get about 5 - 8 hours of sleep every 24-hour period, I will sit down and fall asleep as you are talking to me
Don't you usually give a second option for us to choose from for the next video? Why didn't you do that this time?
I’m tired of fictional beings existing, much less being stronger than Humans.
We are it,. All else is more fiction.
What a lack of imagination! 😆
After Discovery season 3, this video is already due a large update
Thank you!
That was a very concise, thoughtful approach to this culture. You did very well! Definitely will listen to this again.
What about those vulcans who crash landed in that Enterprise episode?
Breen.
Breen.
Breen.
Neil Breen. :D
For years I’ve lived fine with my own theory why Romulus have a more stable psyche than Vulkans, have forehead ridge, and no telepathic abilities: they’ve bred with Remans. That’s also why Remans have pointy ears. (Honestly no idea what the most common fan theories are because I don’t follow that.) Then came ST Picard, ridged Romulus are “northerners” and I’m confused again....
The Breen next, please!
I find myself preferring the history and lore of Vulcans as was written in the novel Spock's World and some additional details in Sarek. Both very good books to read.
Breen!!
This does explain why Spock never really showed emotion. I didn't understand it at the time when I did see clips of the first Star Trek. I also didn't know about the physical properties. My guess is that introducing Data nulled the necessary need for a Vulcan, but the same could be argued as to why would they have Worf, a Klingon. It was a way for the series to expand on other races.
Now I need to watch about Klingons for comparison.
Breen please kind sir
What I love about the Vulcans is that they show how spirituality and ritual aren't necessarily 'illogical', since they can be means to an end. If they're the best way of achieving those ends, then these practices are, by definition, logical. We know as a matter of psychological fact that ritual practices are a great way of focusing the mind, help to make life more structured, and can help us to achieve a state of calm. They can also be used to help to create social cohesion (as in Confucian philosophy). Similarly with spirituality, if spirituality is defined in a loose non-supernatural sense. Meditation, again, is something we know has many psychological benefits, and the benefits of these practices to a people like the Vulcans are obvious.
Vulcans = Lemurians in Telos apparently
I was pondering this same thought 💭
Damn, now this is bloody good video. One of the best put up yet. One can write a thesis based on it :D
Wait...
Vulcan is M-Class?
I would have placed it as L-Class, with breathable atmosphere, given that it is considered "harsh" toward other humanoids other than Vulcan.
Same for Andoria/Andor, but then again... that's a moon, much like Europa in orbit of the Sol system's biggest gas-giant.
I would have loved to see an episode of TNG, DS9 or ENT for that matter, where it was reclassified using Logic, with Vulcans have to swallow their non-existent pride.
Then again, now that I think about it, it might have been a proper lush M-class planet in the past, prior to the Nuclear Civil War.
But we have seen planets being re-designated, due to harrowing climate change.
So are they insisting on calling M-Class out of tradition? History?