(NOT SO FUN) FACT! Gustavo Orta actually DOES off himself after completing his quest the less-violent route. You can find his body at his desk if you go back into the building, after leaving and completing the quest. I always thought that was just a ploy he threw out there to cover his escape. But apparently not!
I wouldn't say he's the weakest, He's more like Wakako in that he knows where he stands in the game and prefers to remain where he is over reaching too high. keeping the foolish young bloods in line to maintain the delicate ecosystem of his neighborhood while leading them not as a Commander but a Father. His revived faith is likely him feeling the weight of his life after that near death experience and wishing to find a semblance of redemption for himself by no longer bearing a blade but guiding the young hands who swing theirs.
@@Owltophat the nomads do care its just that by their nature they dont stay in one place long enough to accumulate enough influence to increase their power.
@@Owltophat I always pegged Dakota as a double agent. She plays the fixer as a means of looking after Nomads in the city environment, kinda like fixing the new kids clothes so he isn't bullied as hard on his first day. She ain't your friend but she knows what's up and won't BS you about it.
Seeing how Valentinos treat him despite not being an official member anymore, he got respect in spades from them. Some cops too from what I recall from some of the shards I've found in the game.
Padre is just another great example of how everything in this cyberpunk world is corrupted by greed and power, the only 2 gods that people still seem to actually respect.
Padre's "power" as a fixer operates in a very different way to the others. Wakako uses her rep for massive retaliation and for the things she is willing to involve herself in as her protection. Rogue uses Afterlife as her fortress and her secret alliance with the corps, but she does not really venture outside of Afterlife. Most fixers hide themselves away from the world. Padre is different, because he operates in a culture that operates on a different definition of power and respect. Only El Capitan really operates in a similar way due to the adoration he has from the poor of SD. Part of the way in which Padre operates and *needs* to operate is that he has to be able to move freely around his domain. He's like a mob boss in the Puzo books. He is a Man of Respect. Some 6th Street Schmuck holding him up? That could not possibly be allowed, and tbh taking his deadly reaction to that as a symbol of his declining power is the exact opposite of what is happening. If Padre had not personally dealt with that kid? That would have been deadly, and Padre would likely have ended up in a ditch somewhere within the month had he allowed that insult to his person go unpunished. In a a very meaningful way Padre is dramatically more powerful than the other fixers as such. Being able to sit on the bleachers and walk in public under the sun and to be almost completely safem rogue and Wakako cannot do that. Dino cannot do that.
I am Mexican. The kind of catholic religion valentinos folllow is a syncretism version. To be clear, catholisism in general is syncretic but those mexican saints are more recent, thats why they are not "canonic". The cult of the death is basically the modern version of the cult of mictlantecuhtli many of those modern saints correspond to old aztec gods but reshaped/evolved and transformed into modern versions. The people that follow death usually don't care about dying ideologically because they believe that death is preordained, and they can't do anything about it, it will come eventually no matter what they do so they mostly don't fear it. I think thats what the attitude of padre reflects.
Almost sounds like the Calvinist doctrine of predestination, that God has already chosen those who are worthy of Heaven. Faith in place of works, you might argue.
I heard also that Santa Muerte appeals to the those who feel their criminal activities would make Mary or Jesus unwilling to hear their plea, but understand that Death accepts all.
@@ulinvega In traditional Catholicism, yes. Santa Muerte is a folk saint indigenous to Central America unrecognized and often condemned by the Church. This makes Her popular with those who feel left out or unaccepted by the Church, which can include anyone from LGBTQ+ people to cartel members. She is a fascinating diety and has pretty extensive Wikipedia entry if you want to learn more.
13:20 Not killing Sam would encourage others, it would be taken as weakness. As you said, you do not threaten fixers without consequence. That guy had to go. Problem lies the fact that someone dared, which means there are other things(that we dont know) in Padre's power base which looks weaker from the outside.
something to remember is that same is 6th street which is a rival gang so him going up to padre and threating him might have been seen by himself as a power move
One thing I found that revealed Padre's weakness - one of the NCPD Scanner gigs involves a policewoman who was working as an informer for Padre. Her cover was blown and the Valentinos came after her - the message log on her body reveals that she was begging Padre for help. He promised it, but when V arrives the policewoman is dead and the Valentinos are just hanging around laughing. It says a lot when the very gang that Padre is associated with starts to kill his NCPD informers and he can't do anything about it.
excatly, that NCPD scanner event made me thinking: if it happened to Hands or Dino, maybe the policewoman can't be saved, but those Valentino gangster who killed her would be killed and even made an example to warn the gang. but Padre just let it happened like that, he's really getting old, losing his touch, and from here and there, little by little, people in the know are realising it and testing his water. because his 'territory' in night city is HUGE and RICH, he controls fixer business at the heart of nightcity, at where the mayor office building and NCPD head building is, he controls 3 sections and more than 10 major business streets. EVERY other fixers and such was long wanting to grab a bite from his plate, and now seems he starting to lose his control over his plate.
I doubt Gustavo had any bad bloood between Padre. If you are a streetkid you can just ring the doorbell and get in by saying Padre sent you to talk about a vigil for Martha. The Tino’s let you in and Gustavo asks if Padre really thinks a vigil would help. He seems to hold Padre in high regard to allow V access and to immediately ask about Padres offer to help. Which makes Padre even more of a backstabber. Gustavo trusted him.
@@HappyBuffalo347 “The girl turned from her own father, Nolan Frakes, to side with the enemy - Gustavo Orta. But what the street says doesn't matter - not to Nolan. He believes Gustavo is solely responsible for what happened to his daughter. Let's fulfill the wish of a father desperate for revenge. He's paying, after all.” Padre shows his true colours here. Doesn’t matter that he knows the truth and it doesn’t matter that the job is from sixth street. What matters is the eddies. He is paying after all.
@@ebrillswan7235 Scummy as it is, there is also a logistical point of view if you pull back a bit. (grain of salt recommended past this point) 6th Street isn't a gang of chumps you can't ignore for long, especially if they believe you've wronged them in some significant way. Combined with their racism (and their getting eddies and gear under the table courtesy of the NU-fucking-SA), Nolan Frakes going specifically to Padre for a hit on Gustavo Orta when he could have gone to *any other fixer* for this sort of job is as much a power play as it is biz as usual. Perhaps I'm more generous to Padre's character than I should be, but I see it as a situation of Nolan trying to place Padre in a damned-if-you-do situation (defend Gustavo and cause an all-out gang war in the Glen, *or* off one of your own boys for the eddies of a raging prick) and Padre simply making the call that would cause the least amount of bloodshed, doubly so if you're playing a Streetkid V and actually do resolve the whole thing non-violently. However this gig ends, I don't think this would have been the last Padre would hear of Nolan Frakes. Men like him have a hard time letting go of slights like this...
The valentinos are directly inspired by Mexican gangs and the workings. I think they did one of the most tasteful depictions of Latin gangs, specifically Mexican gangs.
I mean, kind of? Originally the Valentinos in 2020 were a Poser-Gang of romantic Romeos, whose daily goal was to find and woo the most beautiful women of the city. They named themselves after the legendary cinema leading man Rudolph Valentino. That's their roots. Technically in the Time of the Red (2040's) they start becoming a neighborhood Protection Gang, but are far outstripped by the influence and reach of 6th Street and Tyger Claws. 2077 as a game and the World of Cyberpunk book suggest that they change for the worse between RED and 2077, absorbing Lat-Am Cartel members and taking on a far more thuggish approach. So the Mexican gang culture thing I think was a more recent phenomena.
@white-noisemaker9554 there's a really interesting story going on in The Valentinos in 2077. As you do missions or NCPD hustles the notes you can find seem to imply that The 'Tinos are going through a schism. It hasn't broken out into an outright civil-war in the gang yet, but a lot of the side content involving them appears to be internal hits carried out on the orders of rival bosses.
@@Anthony_Cika not too different from some of the other gangs. Royce overthrows Brick. Gunner overthrows his predecessor. Even VDB has a schism over the Blackwall project.
Padre was a close person to Jackie and he is the only fixer which showed up on his funeral, that's why he is cool I guess. Better than Wokako and Dexter for sure.
@@unturned6066it’s definitely intentional on his part that he gives you that feeling. He speaks slower, invokes concepts of family, and just tries to give off a grandpa vibe. But it’s a front.
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@@unturned6066 I think Wakako care for more her people than Padre, even if she doesn't demonstrate it by talks. Padre is all about vengeance in his gigs, but Wakako give many gigs where she try to protect her mercs. For her, the fact that her mercs are alive is important, even if she is very cold in her behavior to them. Maybe she just doesn't want to be emotionnaly attached to them.
Considering that she’s in Night City, yeah she really shouldn’t formed any emotional attachments to her mercs as any of them could get killed in a single day without anyone noticing.
i think the reason Padre lost Haywood is because 6th Street moved in. in the Tower ending, you can tell Thugsy McThugg that you used to hang at the Coyote. and he tells you the bar is gone. (its ether the nomad or the corpo. i've seen that convo twice i think lol) if you connect that to the loss of Haywood for Padre, it feels like the Valentino's are loosing ground. with MiliTech and one of the other big dogs in a shoving match, it's understandable that 6th street would move up and out. much like the Tygers. when they first started they were just Tyger's Claw. now, they are all over not just Japantown, but have taken half of Watson (Little China and Kabuki) and that is probably because of their connections with Arasaka. so with MiliTech taking over the Arasaka Waterfront area, they would need someone (gang i mean) to do the cleaning up. likely push the Tygers out of Watson, at the very least, back into Japantown. Arasaka in that ending are pulling out of the US (or already pulled mostly back) so i doubt they would send mooks after him to zero him. Yori likely has more important things to think about. 6th street would likely push out into Vista early, with all that MiliTech backing and eddies. once Vista is gone, they can take the Glen and Wellsprings much easier. and V can chuckle and comment on how not much has changed, when seeing the guy in the trunk, in the intro. don't think Padre is threatening V when he pushes them into a lift myself tho. i think its a way for the game to show the player what a Fixer does (because it has to assume you know nothing about the game i think) and it's also a way to make you think everything is fine when you go to meet Dex. 'oh yeah, you already got in a car with a Fixer (if you were a streetkid) so this is normal biz' one thing that always bugged me...maybe its just an american language thing... when my V says to Padre at the Ofrende 'how are things on the street?' i always thought they were asking how the neighbourhood had taken Jackies death. not asking for work. same as when you can ask 'whats your take on the job?' to Bug. took me a while to remember 'take' was slang for 'cut' 'take' can also mean someones opinion of something (which was what i thought i was asking Bug lol. i thought i was asking 'what do you think of the job?')
I agree about the language-I actually thought CDPR misunderstood what “take” meant in that context because T-bug’s response seemed jarringly off to me. It’s possible that they’re riffing on both meanings, though!
I see Padre Ibarra as a failing stabilizer. He makes a big deal about “kids these days” and so many of his missions are about making sure that the Valentinos don’t get too uppity for their own good. Like any old man, he’s trying to keep things the way he can recognize them but his grip is slipping. And a guy like him doesn’t have enough real friends out there to just retire.
3:10 This would be an example of folk religion, where people of a region have a distinct practice that isn’t connected to official doctrine of their identified religion. In the case of the Valentinos, it’s folk Catholicism.
@@lydiscott Also worth noting that the abramhic relgions have a long history of using "folk" versions of itself to appeal to new regions. For people of the Jewish faith an example would be Lilith, for Catholics the virgin Mary being depicted in Blue or even that the Virgin Mary having a Virgin birth. Christianity at it's basic tenants is supposed to be about a personal relationship with god. But then you have Catholicism coming in and branding anything it doesn't agree with Heretical.
@@eXMytheral There’s a lot more-the concepts of purgatory, hell, the date of Christmas…these are all at least partially inspired by “pagan” practices, with no reference in the Bible for their validity. Catholicism has a doctrine of tradition being sanctified over the centuries to excuse these inconsistencies. This does not include taking communion; Catholics literally believe the wine and bread is transformed into the blood and flesh of Christ.
Religious syncretism: one religion takes on some of the markers of another (to various degrees), even as it replaces it-much like Catholicism co-opted the Orisha deities of the Yoruba and the combination gave rise to Santeria and various forms of voudoun, depending on the area.
Ok I tried ignoring it but I can’t. Guys, if you’re going to be critical of religion, do it respectfully and on established academic work. Folk religion uses “folk” because it’s what the common people of an area believe. If the head of a religion agrees with the folk doctrine, it’s not folk religion anymore. Folk religion develops in spite of religious authority out of what the people want, not because religious authority wants to spread the religion. Like another reply said, co-opting already established traditions into the religion you’re spreading is called syncretism. In syncretism, the missionary religion interacts with and evolves based on the already established tradition. Lilith is rejected by rabbinical Judaism as a weird interpretation and only saw discussion in Kabalah circles, something inherently esoteric. If you’re insinuating that Christmas is based on the cult of Sol in late December, then your understanding is outdated. The issue with that conclusion is that it was based on one source. There has been greater study of the roman cults, including the cult of Sol. Scholarship is now saying that the major Sol festivals are in October and that the late December marking of the source previously discussed has little importance. Additionally, some eastern churches celebrate on January 6, making this criticism non applicable to them. I won’t address the other points made about Catholicism because I honestly don’t know much, my focus has been Protestantism because that’s the majority of Christians I meet. A lot of people don’t care about religion and a lot of people believe in the religions you’re straw manning. Think before you post.
I like the idea that Padre is in prison since he's not dead. Maybe as a way to escape the Valentinos he decided to turn himself in and gladly give NCPD anything to make sure he is protected from Heywood a community he once belonged to.
That would’ve been a cool unique quest to look into, if they’d had like, a single origin-relevant segment of the phantom Liberty ending. Visiting Padre in prison lol
Not an expert, but I've studied a bit of theology. The passages Padre recites are... confusing choices. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was written by a CDPR writer who was mostly looking for badass-sounding verses, not a profound religious debate. But if we take his lines as a deliberate in-universe choices, it paints a picture of someone desperate to be righteous but succumbs to hubris. He reasons that God took to violence and power-plays, so it must be ok for him to do so as well. If he wanted an honest case for violence and power through scripture - there are much better passages. But he doesn't want philosophy - he wants excuses.
Given that CDPR is a Polish outfit, and roughly 70% of the population is Catholic, I suspect it's a deliberate writing choice to depict Padre this way.
This is why I dislike the Padre I think, as someone who is big on studying theology the Padre comes off as someone who has never actually studied the theology he poses as a teacher of beyond his badly cherry-picked quips. I loved the initial concept of a fixer guided by the lessons of old time religion but then he opens his mouth and you quickly realize he doesn't even have a grasp on the basic context behind the majority of Scripture he quotes. Honestly chalked it up to laziness and assumed no one theologically savvy was involved in writing him and felt it was a huge missed opportunity to make him so vapid, intentional or not it just makes him my least favorite fixer just because he comes off as an ignorant moralizing hypocrite who cannot be bothered to invest even the barest minimum effort in maintaining the facade of legitimacy. Makes him look pathetic imo, but I guess actually studying spirituality is rare enough in the cyberpunk world that maybe the facade holds mostly in game, but to anyone whose ever so much as cracked open a bible before it's obvious the Padre doesn't actually know what he's talking about at all.
You'll not find Santa Muerte shrines in the posh, immigrant and tourist centered neighbourhoods of Mexico City like La Roma, Polaco, Santa Fé etcétera, the Santa Muerte is revered mostly in the hoods were people were not lucky enough to be born in a golden cradle, and have had to grow in a rough environment. Hoods like La Merced, Tepito or Santa Marta, places where you don't know if one of these days you'll be at the wrong place at the wrong time and catch a bullet that was not even meant for you, or get on the wrong side of a junkie or engage with the wrong people. Places like these see many people who have had to find not-so-nice ways to provide for their families and lady Death is a constant occupational hazard for them. Now imagine living near the US-Mexico border were cartel activity is off the charts, that's why it is typically associated with criminal activities, but like you said, it's not exclusive to criminals. La Santa Muerte is often part of a bigger religious practice called "Santeria", that can involve stuff like the occult (goddamn Sonora market) but it's still essentially part of Mexican folk "Guadalupano" Catholicism. There's a small shrine close to were I live in the outskirts of Mexico city that sees a lot of people every few weeks gather around it to clean it, change the flowers, light some candles and linger there drinking and chatting for a bit. I think it's an interesting part of Latin American culture that's sadly stigmatised due to its origins and the strong classism we see here. It's quite a complex topic better left for its believers, as I think none of us outside it can truly appreciate it the right way, but I'm glad CDPR made it part of the Valentinos and Heywood culture.
I never really thought about each Fixer in depth until I first found your videos, and you really make alot of compelling points and observations. Love it
As always well researched and thought provoking. Having just put another 200 hours into a playthrough I did get the impression that Padre was indeed (like Wakako) feeling his hold slipping. Like Wakako he used V to play "Wack a mole" on any Valentino leader or group that that were either openly defying him or endangering the Valentino's as a whole. I do agree that he went about it more overtly and with less finesse than Wakako (like your last gig for her the bugging of the Temple to listen into a rival Tiger Claw Leader - despite the fact he is always already dead by the time I get to that quest). Padre's killing of the Sith Streeter and his gangoons at the start of the Street Kid quest is (it seems with a little reading of South American gangs of the 20th century) pretty on point. If you are challenged and let the man who disrespected you go unpunished you look weak to your underlings. You might not see it as a slight that was damaging but in game word that Padre could be pulled over and threatened with impunity would rapidly destroy his street cred. The Sixth Streeters had to die. Its like the way Royce and Gunner brutally murder anyone in their respective gangs to establish their power base. Frankly I think Brick is just too laid back for his health and even if you rescue him I can't help feeling someone else, most likely Ofelia Sirawian, better known as Patricia, will soon topple him again and this time permanently. I do agree that the lack of respect shown by the punks at the end of Phantom Liberty certainly implies a massive fall in power for Padre but then it might just be because the NUSA and Militech have clamped down hard on Heywood and the Valentinos as part of their determination to control Night City. USA treating Latinos with harsh treatment and possible expulsion? Where would I get an idea like that?! But I could very well see the NUSA handing over control of Heywood as well as Santo Domingo to the rule of Gunner and his Sixth Streeters none of whom like Hispanics. Padre would be hard pressed to survive let alone hold any sway if that was what is happening.
I didn't expect Padre to be the subject for the video, but a welcome surprise! Hopefully the next fixer you make a video of could be El Capitan? I did his quest from Phantom Liberty and I would love a video on him!
I actually have Dino queued up and ready for the next video! I think I’ll do either Dakota or El Capitan after him though! Then hands and rogue and Regina!
Good work Lydi! NGL Padre seems to be the scariest fixer in the game. He uses a shield of religion to hide his ruthless tendencies. Like the guy you have to kill in the diner. Its just because Padre wants him gone. And maybe I always misinterpreted but I thought the Gustavo killed himself line was a lie told to Padre and Sixth to let Gustavo leave in peace.
thank you so much Mecoolerest!!! 😊 yeahhhh like he’s certainly very ominous with how he’s like “that guys gone IN THE NAME OF GOD OF COURSE but also just cause I don’t like him lol”. And I thought that about Gustavo too, I was super surprised to find that he legit is dead though when you go back in. Big Sadge, like if Martha woke up omg poor girl
Imagine how different things would been if Paddy had just gotten the fuck out of Vista and pulled his boys off the street. Couldve had the Glen, done deal. Oh how much better the world would be. No more restless nights.
I love how it kinda feels like not the biggest deal until you come back two years later and it’s like “oh shit that minor detail from two years ago? I think it was actually important lol”
@@lydiscott Streetkid has always been my chosen life path, and the scene with Padre always made me feel like I was meant to have a more special connection with him to some degree above the other fixers. Makes it hurt all the more to discover later he very well may have just been a shit heel...
Yes, Padre's "free ride" is 100% a test to see if V still "remembers their roots". Basically seeing if leaving Night City for 2 years changed them enough that they didn't know that you had to posture and show strength to the gangs. That's why if you don't stand up for Padre, he makes that offhand comment about you having changed, and implies it's a change for the worse. Regarding the offing of Sam from the Streetkid intro, that I actually think was fairly understandable. In gang ethics and society, that kind of insult, blatantly entering Valentino turf, blaring there horn and gun, forcing Padre off the street to threaten him to his face, DOES require a response. I even think killing Sam for that was a reasonable response, within the world of gang culture that is. Especially the brutal Night City culture. So that part, I actually don't have an issue with. My main issue with Padre is his self-righteous religious nonsense. Everything about religion as presented in game is through a filter of hyper-capitalism. From the punching jesus guy you see the ads for, to the Sinnerman "We'll sell you a personal crucifixion for the low low price of $19.99, to the funeral home as a top floor cover for an organ chopshop, to the way the Valentinos spout religion and faith, while engaging in the most vile and sinful pursuits, it's all incredibly shallow, and hollow. And Padre is no different. He dresses himself up in the trappings of faith, as a shield to excuse his horrible behavior, but the part that irks me the most, is that he seems to believe his own hype. The way he constantly quotes bible passages at his victims, like Jules from Pulp Fiction. But it's not just one line that he thinks sounds badass before shooting someone, like Jules. No he has en entire library of passages that he uses to misdirect, justify and intimidate, while he has his goons gut someone tied to a chair. I'm an atheist, and I find religion reprehensible on the best of days, but Padre is an example of the kind of "religious figures" that annoy me the most. His gigs always annoyed me, and his holier than thou prattle just added fuel to the flames. Compared to fixers like Dino and El Capitain, who show their empathy and compassion through their gigs and dialogue, Padre is a devil compared to them. I actually ended up falling in love with Dino and El Capitain from the various shards related to their gigs, and their dialogue. 2 examples that stand out to me: 1. For Dino, almost all of his gigs revolve around extracting information or an item, and never (that I can recall) involve actually killing someone. He often will have the optional goal of getting the job done without open conflict. He clearly dislikes violence, and likes mercs who can get a job done, without leaving a pile of corpses. Also, in one of the NCPD events, where Militech corners a guy in an alley (you find him as a corpse), if you read the shard on him, it's a transcript of him calling Dino, begging for help because the gig went bad, and now he's on the run for his life. And Dino gives him the information on one of his bolt holes, to try and save him. It doesn't work, but Dino gave him the escape hatch with pretty much zero hesitation. To me, that is more a sign of him being a good guy than all the biblical babbling of someone like Padre. 2. For El Capitain, there is the obvious Phantom Liberty gig where you steal a medical truck so you can provide lifesaving medical care for the children of his old neighborhood, but even before that was released, there were a lot of gigs where the job was you going to check on someone who was in a bad situation. Rescue/extraction gigs, someone sending up an SOS and him responding, etc. But the one that I recall the most, was in the gig where there is the cyberpsycho lady in the basement, he initially tells you the gig is to recover the data she was decrypting for him, and she was late. He doesn't say "that bitch is hiding from me, go show her the error of her ways and reclaim my property!" no. He says "Yeah she hasn't checked in for a while, can you go swing by her house and see if she's ok? Oh...and if you can get the data, do that too." He actually forgets about the shard, the initial reason he asks you to take the gig, and diverts to him sounding worried about one of his employees. And then he just remembers "oh yeah...the data, right, get that too." Both of those guys are way more "good" than Padre, and they don't even have to really broadcast it either. It's baked into their gigs, and the way the present them to V. And I love it.
Usually, when I come to your character analysis videos, I have a sense of what to expect. My view of the characters usually aligns with yours. This time though, your analysis on Padre made me *completely* reconsider his character. Also, that older concept art really is daddy.
Maybe Mama Welles will assume the role of Heywood's next fixer. If Padre was indeed ousted two years later then she's the only one who has that much respect from the 'tinos
Not related to Padre, but when you started speaking about what happened to him in the Tower Ending, it made me think of the fate of Wakako. Considering her old age, she might not have survived the two years because of maybe complications. However, a theory I think now that she was eliminated by the NCPD or Militech. Think about it, the Tyger Claws were connected to Arasaka, and when the corporation was kicked out of Night City, the gang might have fallen as well. With the crime rate down at 2079.
@@lydiscott any time! Definitely shared your stuff with my friends! Your mix of lore and personal inspection is pretty awesome and isn't really found anywhere. ESPECIALLY on CP2077! Keep it up, i'll keep viewin!~
Not religious, but often come across the subject in my work. The Church’s condemnation of Sancta Muerte doesn’t surprise me at all-since the Church dropped Purgatory there’s been ostensibly but a single destination in the afterlife. The idea of a guide or specter probably smacks of paganism to them, and I would not be surprised if the Lady is in part derived from native Mexican practices. More technically, the Church has specific requirements for sainthood, namely they must be “proven” to have done miracles in both life and thereafter. Obviously it’s difficult for someone who never existed to perform miracles.
No idea what you're on about in the first part - we Catholics still 100% believe in Purgatory, Heaven, Hell, all that. It's the Protestants who dropped Purgatory. Maybe you're thinking of the old practice of selling indulgences? Actual indulgences are still a thing (one that I don't 100% understand tbh), but the deeply scummy practice of charging people money for a "get out of Purgatory free" card is, thankfully, very much banned now. The thing with Santa Muerte, as I understand it, is that she and a lot of the related figures are basically re-skinned versions of old Aztec/etc deities whose cults have been kept alive under the guise of "folk Catholic" practice.
SXS the fact that you continue to publish all of these videos is amazing. Keep up the good work! Big fan! Padre may be the weakest but he's definitely the most beloved
I def have interpreted Padre much more favorably. The Valentinos are most certainly tired of Padre choosing the community over the gang but until something happens that hurts the community because of him they kind of can't do anything. I do think its interesting that all the fixers have ties to their local gang, and then because the gigs are in their district all the enemies are that gang. So I never really looked too hard at the Padre gigs being full of killing Valentinos.
In regards to José Luis and Gustavo Orta, I always thought they were being offered up as "sacrifice" to appease another powerful group and prevent retribution or war. That is a recurring event throughout Night City. One Malestrom gangoon slaughtered a sizable group of Tyger Claws, and is freely handed over to them as a form of apology (one of the NCPD's "assault in progress" missions in Northside Watson). With Orto and Luis, they needed to be handled by someone in their own ranks so that their deaths didn't motivate other Valentinos to seek retribution, which would have completely negated their sacrifice.
I would want Martha to be the one who took down Padre. She wakes up from a coma sometime after the game and goes on a revenge spree for her dead lover. I’m just a sucker for that type of thing tbh.
This was another good watch, thanks. Padre's downfall is one of the most interesting stories to happen offscreen in the two year gap in The Tower. That he gets removed from power in a way that destroys his reputation rather than simply taken out with a conventional hit that might've turned him into a legendary name feels like Mr Hands' MO, and if anyone knew how to leverage the information about the Orta gig into creating an advantageous power vaccuum, it'd be Hands. My guess is that by the time V is back in NC, Hands has not just taken control of Dogtown and Pacifica but The Glen as well. Whoever runs the Valentinos by that point might only be there because Hands is calling the shots just as Bennett ends up running Barghest as a puppet.
I might be mishearing or misinterpreting you, but my take on Padre, and fixers in general, is that, in the cyberpunk world, theyre more like a third, largely neutral (even if they might have preferences) party in all aspects of night city life. Each fixer tends to operate in gang territory, and many often have you go after gangs theyre otherwise seen as nominally aligned with or regularly dealing with, but are never directly touched. My take on them has been that, if theyre in good standing with local mercs, and generally with local powerful people (corpos, police, gangs), they can be the third party that someone goes through to hire a merc to even whack a local gang leader, and its still seen as "theyre not the one who ordered the hit, theyre useful to us too, and the potential resources they could call out to protect them isnt worth the trouble". In Padre's case, hes just that power broker (emphasis on the broker aspect) for the south of town (sans pacifica), and WILL deal with 6th street if the business is legit, the respect is shown, and the balance is maintained. Heck, im not even sure if hes still an actual member of the valentinos anymore, and not just an associate/"respected member of the community" and is tolerated, if not reapected, for the role he represents. If a major fixer is eliminated that respects the balance, then who fills the vacuum, and what is the blow-back of taking him out? At least, thats my take on it
It might because I'm not real leader material, but if a random pulls his gun on me, I'm not letting it go. My equal may pull a gun on me without dying. My inferior by a few step can pull a gun on me without dying, though their business/house/car aquaintance may have a few accidents. But a random ? Hell no. If I let a random go with a stunt like that, other randoms will start thinking they're hot shit as well. Thrones like Padre or Wakako are built on shifting sands. When the sand is stable and your reign is strong, you squash no name who thinks they're hot shit because letting them go could snowball into more like them, destabilizing your reign. When the sand is flowing, and your throne gets shaky, you squash no name to remind everyone you might be down but you're not out.
15:20 This! I was about to mention how you get a lot of missions taking out Valentinos on behalf of a Valentino fixer. I felt like it could've been paranoia, but always brushed it off. This pretty much confirms it.
This is great analise of the padre. love it! Imho the biggest imput in Padres character was his time in prison. we keep hearing interviews with ex prisoners that keeps the prison laws and behaves in their free lives, cause they simply can't do differently anymore. So Patre is old, yet he is mentaly stuck in the prison world where you loose respect, you loose everything. he feels that he's loosing it, and he need to keep flexing and reminding everybody about the old school rulles and he being in charge. And all that religion thing, for this dude this is just some excuse that he try to justyfy his bad actions. and ensure himself that he is the righteous man, cause the end is near for him.
I've been wanting to see a Padre video 🙏 Great video! Padre and the Valentino religion points were interesting to see from an outside perspective. To me it was all so believable (and even familiar) that I didn't give it much thought at first, but this video helped me appreciate just how well depicted the Valentino's as a latino gang are. They are a product of the setting just as much as a product of their culture
I'm loving this series on fixers. ^v^ I'm excited to see who will be the best saved for last. My bet is either Hands or Rogue, but I'm not sure which just yet... Very interesting analysis on the Padre! Not what I expected, but points made well. Ultimately he's an old man in a young man's game, and riding more on what that implies than the ability to back it up...
When I played through cyberpunk and had the initial ride with padre, my take with the 6th street response wasn't that sam would get himself killed by next week, but that padre would have him delt with by next week. Padre always seemed like the type uses respect as both a shield and a tool and understands how useful it can be, but also understands that there will always be those who attempt to take power. His response to those who steps out of line is to make examples and retain his power while maintaining his veneer of respect.
Padre taking the gig from 6th Street makes more sense to me after playing through Yakuza like a dragon. For trouble between gangs that are already at war, inciting incidents that could fuel the flames more (aka reduce both sides numbers and strain the bonds of their own gang) is generally something they'd want to avoid.
The gig where the Padre has you kill Orta could be more along the lines of diplomacy than taking out a rival. The Sixth Street boss' daughter was hurt while hanging out with Orta which naturally would anger him and direct his ire at the Valintino's even more. This could cause the semi hot semi cold gang war between the two to flare up into a full blown open war which really would be bad for both gangs as it bleeds them men, money and gets the cops and corps to notice them much more. So Padre to sooth the father's anger and hopefully put a damper on the coals offered up Orta as a sacrifice to avoid things getting out of hand. This has happen many times through out history both on national government levels and the criminal world. Men who play at politics with no real understanding or grasp of finesse kill enemies left right and center while a skilled politician will manipulate things to sap the power base of his foes to render them moot or open them up to attack from those with less finesse thus keeping his name out of the mess as well as his rep. It's never as cut and dry as it seems nor is the surface level motive or even the second layer motive ever truly the real purpose of an action with people like this. It's very much 4d chess be it in the halls of Congress in Washington or the streets between a few bloods and latin kings.
It makes sense that the Valentinos would eventually get sick of him. He was the least insulated of any Fixer from backlash off the streets, and he did treat them pretty badly considering he relies on them for protection. When he said getting back at the Tinos wasn't part of the van theft gig I knew he stabbed them right in the back, and just to intimidate some hicks who probably wouldn't come back anyway.
Though Padre's spirituality certainly may be a costume puts on, it's become one that he both believes and fervently hopes is true. His faith gives him something he can believe in even as his own power wanes. In a city where everything is fleeting, the language and values feel eternal. And that provides a measure of security that he can never find in power, eddies, or relationships.
I like Padre because his Gigs are honest. If you read some of the shards his targets have, a couple are along the lines of, "I did a terrible thing, but I went to a confessional, so I should be good now..."
Padre weakness is shown from the internal issues in the Valentinos, as others stated. As several of his missions are getting rid of his own, be it they were getting rid of his contacts or courting an enemy's as a lover. Mind Wakako is similar as we do missions where she has us get rid of Tiger Claws even though she is very connected with them. He has power and weaknesses the other fixers connected to gangs don't have. Be it he is more out publicly when others stay in more protected places. Padre needed to get rid of that 6th street punk who threatened him, for example, as others stated or it be worse later on for him. Mind as others also stated the fact it even happens shows issues in his power base to it happening at all. The DLC ending where we find out Padre is gone between the 2 year coma isn't surprising. As there was evidence his time was almost up, be it from new upcoming Valentinos internally or 6th Street, which was going through massive changes as well. I was more sad about hearing possibly Mama Welles and Pepe might be dead or at best left night city and aren't reachable given the shop is closed. In two years, a lot changed to the point that some nobody punks, who knows some things, can just openly attack a weak V who has been away. Some of the changes feel a bit too radical for just two years. Given V from the Heywood path did leave before for x years before coming back. Padre is axed after said 2 years, and even Viktor giving in after what has happened, I can see. The random punks, though, going for V right where it happened, and conversation, though, regardless of choices, was pretty forced, though, in my view. Given that the punk had knowledge on things he had to know, Viktor used to be non corporate owned. Given this, nobody knows Padre, the shop situation, etc, depending on life path dialogue.
I was always under the impression that Padre was making a play for the throne as Campo Orta is in jail I believe and Gustavo is largely out of the running as he secludes himself away in his tower after the Martha thing, leaving the Valentinos' effectively leaderless. He allows himself to seem weak so that they will not suspect him I think. But either way he is old and frail and not particularly chromed out. He flew too close to the sun. For someone who is out of the gang he sure sticks his nose in.
3:18:00 I actually have a lot of perspective about this and have been thinking about making a video about it sometime because I generally end up always simping for the Valentino's when I work with them. I grew up in California Cholo / Mexican immigrant culture, and the way they nailed it makes me feel like I'm at grandma's house. It's SO DIFFERENT from Roman Catholic cultures outside of Mexico, but regional catholics are always insular (italian, irish, greek orthodox, all have very specific identities). The Valentinos remind me of my cousins at car meets or cruise nights. They would dress to the nines, slacks, tanktops, but cleancut despite being fully covered in tattoos. Face tattoos are fully the norm and viewed almost as a form of repettance for your sins. I also grew up in Brujeria culture, so the mysticism is pretty serious and it makes sense to me that these folk magic tenets would pass on because as tech advances, it's very easy easy to get it to lure people in - I had a joke when the height of WitchTok was happening that H.E.C.A.T.E. should the name of a Sentient AI that was specifically created, activated, and then it took over, Delamain style, to radicalize people to Witchtok... And then um. The election happened a year later so. Cyberpunk is real.
For me... I think Padre got caught too much trying to prevent a corpo war in Heywood, and made the mistake of ignoring the knife pointed at his back by an ambitious Valentino trying to make a name...
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(NOT SO FUN) FACT! Gustavo Orta actually DOES off himself after completing his quest the less-violent route. You can find his body at his desk if you go back into the building, after leaving and completing the quest. I always thought that was just a ploy he threw out there to cover his escape. But apparently not!
Oh no
I was blown away when I played that mission. 😅
Yeah... it was pointed out it was a romeo and juliet deal. And that's what Romeo does. It's basically a nod to that.
And here I was thinking this game only had one unpreventable suicide...
I wouldn't say he's the weakest, He's more like Wakako in that he knows where he stands in the game and prefers to remain where he is over reaching too high. keeping the foolish young bloods in line to maintain the delicate ecosystem of his neighborhood while leading them not as a Commander but a Father. His revived faith is likely him feeling the weight of his life after that near death experience and wishing to find a semblance of redemption for himself by no longer bearing a blade but guiding the young hands who swing theirs.
Love this perspective on him!
Dawg that’s lowkey poetic. I will be stealing this thanks
I figured Dakota was weaker since the nomads don't care.
@@Owltophat the nomads do care its just that by their nature they dont stay in one place long enough to accumulate enough influence to increase their power.
@@Owltophat I always pegged Dakota as a double agent. She plays the fixer as a means of looking after Nomads in the city environment, kinda like fixing the new kids clothes so he isn't bullied as hard on his first day. She ain't your friend but she knows what's up and won't BS you about it.
The old saying of "Respect old man in a profession were men die young." Fits the Padre well.
Seeing how Valentinos treat him despite not being an official member anymore, he got respect in spades from them. Some cops too from what I recall from some of the shards I've found in the game.
I think I've read this a million times across the internet
@@gray2469 cool
Padre is just another great example of how everything in this cyberpunk world is corrupted by greed and power, the only 2 gods that people still seem to actually respect.
Literally in Night City you can't live without connections to gangs or corporation. This is scary.
And those rare few not corrupted, are victimized.
bro. read a history book or news. this is ALWAYS the case. this was always the case. this will always be the case.
humans respect only violence.
Padre's "power" as a fixer operates in a very different way to the others. Wakako uses her rep for massive retaliation and for the things she is willing to involve herself in as her protection. Rogue uses Afterlife as her fortress and her secret alliance with the corps, but she does not really venture outside of Afterlife. Most fixers hide themselves away from the world.
Padre is different, because he operates in a culture that operates on a different definition of power and respect. Only El Capitan really operates in a similar way due to the adoration he has from the poor of SD.
Part of the way in which Padre operates and *needs* to operate is that he has to be able to move freely around his domain. He's like a mob boss in the Puzo books. He is a Man of Respect.
Some 6th Street Schmuck holding him up? That could not possibly be allowed, and tbh taking his deadly reaction to that as a symbol of his declining power is the exact opposite of what is happening.
If Padre had not personally dealt with that kid? That would have been deadly, and Padre would likely have ended up in a ditch somewhere within the month had he allowed that insult to his person go unpunished.
In a a very meaningful way Padre is dramatically more powerful than the other fixers as such. Being able to sit on the bleachers and walk in public under the sun and to be almost completely safem rogue and Wakako cannot do that. Dino cannot do that.
This is also how I feel about Padre on the bleachers. He's like a mob boss.
With how family oriented Valentinos are the mob comparison is on point.
@@chillax319 I kinda always saw him as a Godfather mob boss from the first time I met him in the street kid intro. He's supposed to represent one.
I respect El Capitan because anyone who chooses to have that haircut truly has nothing to fear
I am Mexican. The kind of catholic religion valentinos folllow is a syncretism version. To be clear, catholisism in general is syncretic but those mexican saints are more recent, thats why they are not "canonic". The cult of the death is basically the modern version of the cult of mictlantecuhtli many of those modern saints correspond to old aztec gods but reshaped/evolved and transformed into modern versions. The people that follow death usually don't care about dying ideologically because they believe that death is preordained, and they can't do anything about it, it will come eventually no matter what they do so they mostly don't fear it. I think thats what the attitude of padre reflects.
Ah, I knew I was remembering that correctly-about how the Lady is partially derived from older native traditions.
Almost sounds like the Calvinist doctrine of predestination, that God has already chosen those who are worthy of Heaven. Faith in place of works, you might argue.
I heard also that Santa Muerte appeals to the those who feel their criminal activities would make Mary or Jesus unwilling to hear their plea, but understand that Death accepts all.
@ Well, as far as i know thats Saint Judas, the saint of lost causes. But i guess death also fits.
@@ulinvega In traditional Catholicism, yes. Santa Muerte is a folk saint indigenous to Central America unrecognized and often condemned by the Church. This makes Her popular with those who feel left out or unaccepted by the Church, which can include anyone from LGBTQ+ people to cartel members. She is a fascinating diety and has pretty extensive Wikipedia entry if you want to learn more.
13:20 Not killing Sam would encourage others, it would be taken as weakness. As you said, you do not threaten fixers without consequence. That guy had to go. Problem lies the fact that someone dared, which means there are other things(that we dont know) in Padre's power base which looks weaker from the outside.
something to remember is that same is 6th street which is a rival gang so him going up to padre and threating him might have been seen by himself as a power move
One thing I found that revealed Padre's weakness - one of the NCPD Scanner gigs involves a policewoman who was working as an informer for Padre. Her cover was blown and the Valentinos came after her - the message log on her body reveals that she was begging Padre for help. He promised it, but when V arrives the policewoman is dead and the Valentinos are just hanging around laughing.
It says a lot when the very gang that Padre is associated with starts to kill his NCPD informers and he can't do anything about it.
excatly, that NCPD scanner event made me thinking: if it happened to Hands or Dino, maybe the policewoman can't be saved, but those Valentino gangster who killed her would be killed and even made an example to warn the gang. but Padre just let it happened like that, he's really getting old, losing his touch, and from here and there, little by little, people in the know are realising it and testing his water. because his 'territory' in night city is HUGE and RICH, he controls fixer business at the heart of nightcity, at where the mayor office building and NCPD head building is, he controls 3 sections and more than 10 major business streets. EVERY other fixers and such was long wanting to grab a bite from his plate, and now seems he starting to lose his control over his plate.
I doubt Gustavo had any bad bloood between Padre. If you are a streetkid you can just ring the doorbell and get in by saying Padre sent you to talk about a vigil for Martha. The Tino’s let you in and Gustavo asks if Padre really thinks a vigil would help. He seems to hold Padre in high regard to allow V access and to immediately ask about Padres offer to help. Which makes Padre even more of a backstabber. Gustavo trusted him.
Omg that makes it so much worse gahhhhhh thank you for sharing this!
@@lydiscottI really hope the Valentino’s got to Padre in the end. Comparing him to Dex seems so accurate. Great video again btw!
Yeah honestly that gig was badly written. Why would Padre backstab Orta? Just for the eddies? Seems out of character. He hates 6th St.
@@HappyBuffalo347 “The girl turned from her own father, Nolan Frakes, to side with the enemy - Gustavo Orta.
But what the street says doesn't matter - not to Nolan. He believes Gustavo is solely responsible for what happened to his daughter. Let's fulfill the wish of a father desperate for revenge. He's paying, after all.” Padre shows his true colours here. Doesn’t matter that he knows the truth and it doesn’t matter that the job is from sixth street. What matters is the eddies. He is paying after all.
@@ebrillswan7235 Scummy as it is, there is also a logistical point of view if you pull back a bit. (grain of salt recommended past this point)
6th Street isn't a gang of chumps you can't ignore for long, especially if they believe you've wronged them in some significant way. Combined with their racism (and their getting eddies and gear under the table courtesy of the NU-fucking-SA), Nolan Frakes going specifically to Padre for a hit on Gustavo Orta when he could have gone to *any other fixer* for this sort of job is as much a power play as it is biz as usual.
Perhaps I'm more generous to Padre's character than I should be, but I see it as a situation of Nolan trying to place Padre in a damned-if-you-do situation (defend Gustavo and cause an all-out gang war in the Glen, *or* off one of your own boys for the eddies of a raging prick) and Padre simply making the call that would cause the least amount of bloodshed, doubly so if you're playing a Streetkid V and actually do resolve the whole thing non-violently.
However this gig ends, I don't think this would have been the last Padre would hear of Nolan Frakes. Men like him have a hard time letting go of slights like this...
The valentinos are directly inspired by Mexican gangs and the workings. I think they did one of the most tasteful depictions of Latin gangs, specifically Mexican gangs.
All the ethno-gangs in CP are well done.
@RCorvinus I love that they went the few extra steps just to make them not feel like stereotypes
I mean, kind of?
Originally the Valentinos in 2020 were a Poser-Gang of romantic Romeos, whose daily goal was to find and woo the most beautiful women of the city. They named themselves after the legendary cinema leading man Rudolph Valentino. That's their roots. Technically in the Time of the Red (2040's) they start becoming a neighborhood Protection Gang, but are far outstripped by the influence and reach of 6th Street and Tyger Claws. 2077 as a game and the World of Cyberpunk book suggest that they change for the worse between RED and 2077, absorbing Lat-Am Cartel members and taking on a far more thuggish approach. So the Mexican gang culture thing I think was a more recent phenomena.
@white-noisemaker9554 there's a really interesting story going on in The Valentinos in 2077. As you do missions or NCPD hustles the notes you can find seem to imply that The 'Tinos are going through a schism. It hasn't broken out into an outright civil-war in the gang yet, but a lot of the side content involving them appears to be internal hits carried out on the orders of rival bosses.
@@Anthony_Cika not too different from some of the other gangs. Royce overthrows Brick. Gunner overthrows his predecessor. Even VDB has a schism over the Blackwall project.
Padre was a close person to Jackie and he is the only fixer which showed up on his funeral, that's why he is cool I guess. Better than Wokako and Dexter for sure.
I liked Wakako, but padre gave me the sense of caring for people more than she did.
@@unturned6066it’s definitely intentional on his part that he gives you that feeling. He speaks slower, invokes concepts of family, and just tries to give off a grandpa vibe. But it’s a front.
@@unturned6066 I think Wakako care for more her people than Padre, even if she doesn't demonstrate it by talks. Padre is all about vengeance in his gigs, but Wakako give many gigs where she try to protect her mercs. For her, the fact that her mercs are alive is important, even if she is very cold in her behavior to them. Maybe she just doesn't want to be emotionnaly attached to them.
Considering that she’s in Night City, yeah she really shouldn’t formed any emotional attachments to her mercs as any of them could get killed in a single day without anyone noticing.
A lot of wakako gigs are to undermine the tyger claw, which a lot of her grandchildrens are it's leader lmao
i think the reason Padre lost Haywood is because 6th Street moved in. in the Tower ending, you can tell Thugsy McThugg that you used to hang at the Coyote. and he tells you the bar is gone. (its ether the nomad or the corpo. i've seen that convo twice i think lol)
if you connect that to the loss of Haywood for Padre, it feels like the Valentino's are loosing ground.
with MiliTech and one of the other big dogs in a shoving match, it's understandable that 6th street would move up and out.
much like the Tygers. when they first started they were just Tyger's Claw. now, they are all over not just Japantown, but have taken half of Watson (Little China and Kabuki) and that is probably because of their connections with Arasaka.
so with MiliTech taking over the Arasaka Waterfront area, they would need someone (gang i mean) to do the cleaning up. likely push the Tygers out of Watson, at the very least, back into Japantown.
Arasaka in that ending are pulling out of the US (or already pulled mostly back) so i doubt they would send mooks after him to zero him. Yori likely has more important things to think about.
6th street would likely push out into Vista early, with all that MiliTech backing and eddies. once Vista is gone, they can take the Glen and Wellsprings much easier.
and V can chuckle and comment on how not much has changed, when seeing the guy in the trunk, in the intro.
don't think Padre is threatening V when he pushes them into a lift myself tho. i think its a way for the game to show the player what a Fixer does (because it has to assume you know nothing about the game i think) and it's also a way to make you think everything is fine when you go to meet Dex.
'oh yeah, you already got in a car with a Fixer (if you were a streetkid) so this is normal biz'
one thing that always bugged me...maybe its just an american language thing...
when my V says to Padre at the Ofrende 'how are things on the street?' i always thought they were asking how the neighbourhood had taken Jackies death. not asking for work.
same as when you can ask 'whats your take on the job?' to Bug. took me a while to remember 'take' was slang for 'cut'
'take' can also mean someones opinion of something (which was what i thought i was asking Bug lol. i thought i was asking 'what do you think of the job?')
Nah I thought the same thing, that we'd be asking Padre how the rest of the Valentinos were doing after Jackie's death.
I agree about the language-I actually thought CDPR misunderstood what “take” meant in that context because T-bug’s response seemed jarringly off to me. It’s possible that they’re riffing on both meanings, though!
I see Padre Ibarra as a failing stabilizer. He makes a big deal about “kids these days” and so many of his missions are about making sure that the Valentinos don’t get too uppity for their own good.
Like any old man, he’s trying to keep things the way he can recognize them but his grip is slipping. And a guy like him doesn’t have enough real friends out there to just retire.
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3:10 This would be an example of folk religion, where people of a region have a distinct practice that isn’t connected to official doctrine of their identified religion. In the case of the Valentinos, it’s folk Catholicism.
Ahhhh gotcha!! Thank you for explaining this!
@@lydiscott Also worth noting that the abramhic relgions have a long history of using "folk" versions of itself to appeal to new regions. For people of the Jewish faith an example would be Lilith, for Catholics the virgin Mary being depicted in Blue or even that the Virgin Mary having a Virgin birth. Christianity at it's basic tenants is supposed to be about a personal relationship with god. But then you have Catholicism coming in and branding anything it doesn't agree with Heretical.
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There’s a lot more-the concepts of purgatory, hell, the date of Christmas…these are all at least partially inspired by “pagan” practices, with no reference in the Bible for their validity. Catholicism has a doctrine of tradition being sanctified over the centuries to excuse these inconsistencies.
This does not include taking communion; Catholics literally believe the wine and bread is transformed into the blood and flesh of Christ.
Religious syncretism: one religion takes on some of the markers of another (to various degrees), even as it replaces it-much like Catholicism co-opted the Orisha deities of the Yoruba and the combination gave rise to Santeria and various forms of voudoun, depending on the area.
Ok I tried ignoring it but I can’t. Guys, if you’re going to be critical of religion, do it respectfully and on established academic work. Folk religion uses “folk” because it’s what the common people of an area believe. If the head of a religion agrees with the folk doctrine, it’s not folk religion anymore. Folk religion develops in spite of religious authority out of what the people want, not because religious authority wants to spread the religion. Like another reply said, co-opting already established traditions into the religion you’re spreading is called syncretism. In syncretism, the missionary religion interacts with and evolves based on the already established tradition. Lilith is rejected by rabbinical Judaism as a weird interpretation and only saw discussion in Kabalah circles, something inherently esoteric. If you’re insinuating that Christmas is based on the cult of Sol in late December, then your understanding is outdated. The issue with that conclusion is that it was based on one source. There has been greater study of the roman cults, including the cult of Sol. Scholarship is now saying that the major Sol festivals are in October and that the late December marking of the source previously discussed has little importance. Additionally, some eastern churches celebrate on January 6, making this criticism non applicable to them. I won’t address the other points made about Catholicism because I honestly don’t know much, my focus has been Protestantism because that’s the majority of Christians I meet. A lot of people don’t care about religion and a lot of people believe in the religions you’re straw manning. Think before you post.
I like the idea that Padre is in prison since he's not dead. Maybe as a way to escape the Valentinos he decided to turn himself in and gladly give NCPD anything to make sure he is protected from Heywood a community he once belonged to.
That would’ve been a cool unique quest to look into, if they’d had like, a single origin-relevant segment of the phantom Liberty ending. Visiting Padre in prison lol
Oh boy new video! Will watch/hear later during my workout.
It's always a good day when I get to hear (your take on) cyberpunk lore while exercising.
Ahhh have fun! Thank you so much for listening, means a lot!
Not an expert, but I've studied a bit of theology. The passages Padre recites are... confusing choices. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was written by a CDPR writer who was mostly looking for badass-sounding verses, not a profound religious debate. But if we take his lines as a deliberate in-universe choices, it paints a picture of someone desperate to be righteous but succumbs to hubris. He reasons that God took to violence and power-plays, so it must be ok for him to do so as well. If he wanted an honest case for violence and power through scripture - there are much better passages. But he doesn't want philosophy - he wants excuses.
Given that CDPR is a Polish outfit, and roughly 70% of the population is Catholic, I suspect it's a deliberate writing choice to depict Padre this way.
This is why I dislike the Padre I think, as someone who is big on studying theology the Padre comes off as someone who has never actually studied the theology he poses as a teacher of beyond his badly cherry-picked quips. I loved the initial concept of a fixer guided by the lessons of old time religion but then he opens his mouth and you quickly realize he doesn't even have a grasp on the basic context behind the majority of Scripture he quotes.
Honestly chalked it up to laziness and assumed no one theologically savvy was involved in writing him and felt it was a huge missed opportunity to make him so vapid, intentional or not it just makes him my least favorite fixer just because he comes off as an ignorant moralizing hypocrite who cannot be bothered to invest even the barest minimum effort in maintaining the facade of legitimacy. Makes him look pathetic imo, but I guess actually studying spirituality is rare enough in the cyberpunk world that maybe the facade holds mostly in game, but to anyone whose ever so much as cracked open a bible before it's obvious the Padre doesn't actually know what he's talking about at all.
You'll not find Santa Muerte shrines in the posh, immigrant and tourist centered neighbourhoods of Mexico City like La Roma, Polaco, Santa Fé etcétera, the Santa Muerte is revered mostly in the hoods were people were not lucky enough to be born in a golden cradle, and have had to grow in a rough environment. Hoods like La Merced, Tepito or Santa Marta, places where you don't know if one of these days you'll be at the wrong place at the wrong time and catch a bullet that was not even meant for you, or get on the wrong side of a junkie or engage with the wrong people. Places like these see many people who have had to find not-so-nice ways to provide for their families and lady Death is a constant occupational hazard for them. Now imagine living near the US-Mexico border were cartel activity is off the charts, that's why it is typically associated with criminal activities, but like you said, it's not exclusive to criminals. La Santa Muerte is often part of a bigger religious practice called "Santeria", that can involve stuff like the occult (goddamn Sonora market) but it's still essentially part of Mexican folk "Guadalupano" Catholicism. There's a small shrine close to were I live in the outskirts of Mexico city that sees a lot of people every few weeks gather around it to clean it, change the flowers, light some candles and linger there drinking and chatting for a bit. I think it's an interesting part of Latin American culture that's sadly stigmatised due to its origins and the strong classism we see here. It's quite a complex topic better left for its believers, as I think none of us outside it can truly appreciate it the right way, but I'm glad CDPR made it part of the Valentinos and Heywood culture.
I think you'd actually make a pretty cool fixer... Assuming any one of us can survive in Cyberpunk.
9:21 "My name is Commander Shepard and this is my favorite writer on the Citadel"
12:12 beware the man who grows old in a profession where men die young. He seemed unphased imo.
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your videos are some of the best cyberpunk2077 content on this platform. Absolutly great and in-depth.
Idk how it happened but you've become my favourite cyberpunk creator! I can't wait for Orion to drop just for your vids ^^
I never really thought about each Fixer in depth until I first found your videos, and you really make alot of compelling points and observations. Love it
As always well researched and thought provoking.
Having just put another 200 hours into a playthrough I did get the impression that Padre was indeed (like Wakako) feeling his hold slipping. Like Wakako he used V to play "Wack a mole" on any Valentino leader or group that that were either openly defying him or endangering the Valentino's as a whole. I do agree that he went about it more overtly and with less finesse than Wakako (like your last gig for her the bugging of the Temple to listen into a rival Tiger Claw Leader - despite the fact he is always already dead by the time I get to that quest).
Padre's killing of the Sith Streeter and his gangoons at the start of the Street Kid quest is (it seems with a little reading of South American gangs of the 20th century) pretty on point. If you are challenged and let the man who disrespected you go unpunished you look weak to your underlings. You might not see it as a slight that was damaging but in game word that Padre could be pulled over and threatened with impunity would rapidly destroy his street cred. The Sixth Streeters had to die. Its like the way Royce and Gunner brutally murder anyone in their respective gangs to establish their power base. Frankly I think Brick is just too laid back for his health and even if you rescue him I can't help feeling someone else, most likely Ofelia Sirawian, better known as Patricia, will soon topple him again and this time permanently.
I do agree that the lack of respect shown by the punks at the end of Phantom Liberty certainly implies a massive fall in power for Padre but then it might just be because the NUSA and Militech have clamped down hard on Heywood and the Valentinos as part of their determination to control Night City. USA treating Latinos with harsh treatment and possible expulsion? Where would I get an idea like that?! But I could very well see the NUSA handing over control of Heywood as well as Santo Domingo to the rule of Gunner and his Sixth Streeters none of whom like Hispanics. Padre would be hard pressed to survive let alone hold any sway if that was what is happening.
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The worse the hairline the more doomed the fixer is first dex now padre
Oh boy
Excuse me, the what-line?
I didn't expect Padre to be the subject for the video, but a welcome surprise! Hopefully the next fixer you make a video of could be El Capitan? I did his quest from Phantom Liberty and I would love a video on him!
I actually have Dino queued up and ready for the next video! I think I’ll do either Dakota or El Capitan after him though! Then hands and rogue and Regina!
@@lydiscottwould love to see a vid about regina csnt wait
Good work Lydi! NGL Padre seems to be the scariest fixer in the game. He uses a shield of religion to hide his ruthless tendencies. Like the guy you have to kill in the diner. Its just because Padre wants him gone. And maybe I always misinterpreted but I thought the Gustavo killed himself line was a lie told to Padre and Sixth to let Gustavo leave in peace.
thank you so much Mecoolerest!!! 😊 yeahhhh like he’s certainly very ominous with how he’s like “that guys gone IN THE NAME OF GOD OF COURSE but also just cause I don’t like him lol”. And I thought that about Gustavo too, I was super surprised to find that he legit is dead though when you go back in. Big Sadge, like if Martha woke up omg poor girl
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Pretty sure he's not lying about Gustavo. If I'm not mistaken you still find his epitaph in the columbarium regardless of route chosen in the gig
@@lydiscottHe's dead because it pays off Padre's comment of it being Heywood's Romeo and Juliet. It's clever writing.
Imagine how different things would been if Paddy had just gotten the fuck out of Vista and pulled his boys off the street. Couldve had the Glen, done deal. Oh how much better the world would be. No more restless nights.
I love how it kinda feels like not the biggest deal until you come back two years later and it’s like “oh shit that minor detail from two years ago? I think it was actually important lol”
@@lydiscott Streetkid has always been my chosen life path, and the scene with Padre always made me feel like I was meant to have a more special connection with him to some degree above the other fixers. Makes it hurt all the more to discover later he very well may have just been a shit heel...
Paddy LMAO
Yes, Padre's "free ride" is 100% a test to see if V still "remembers their roots". Basically seeing if leaving Night City for 2 years changed them enough that they didn't know that you had to posture and show strength to the gangs. That's why if you don't stand up for Padre, he makes that offhand comment about you having changed, and implies it's a change for the worse.
Regarding the offing of Sam from the Streetkid intro, that I actually think was fairly understandable. In gang ethics and society, that kind of insult, blatantly entering Valentino turf, blaring there horn and gun, forcing Padre off the street to threaten him to his face, DOES require a response. I even think killing Sam for that was a reasonable response, within the world of gang culture that is. Especially the brutal Night City culture. So that part, I actually don't have an issue with. My main issue with Padre is his self-righteous religious nonsense. Everything about religion as presented in game is through a filter of hyper-capitalism. From the punching jesus guy you see the ads for, to the Sinnerman "We'll sell you a personal crucifixion for the low low price of $19.99, to the funeral home as a top floor cover for an organ chopshop, to the way the Valentinos spout religion and faith, while engaging in the most vile and sinful pursuits, it's all incredibly shallow, and hollow. And Padre is no different. He dresses himself up in the trappings of faith, as a shield to excuse his horrible behavior, but the part that irks me the most, is that he seems to believe his own hype. The way he constantly quotes bible passages at his victims, like Jules from Pulp Fiction. But it's not just one line that he thinks sounds badass before shooting someone, like Jules. No he has en entire library of passages that he uses to misdirect, justify and intimidate, while he has his goons gut someone tied to a chair. I'm an atheist, and I find religion reprehensible on the best of days, but Padre is an example of the kind of "religious figures" that annoy me the most. His gigs always annoyed me, and his holier than thou prattle just added fuel to the flames.
Compared to fixers like Dino and El Capitain, who show their empathy and compassion through their gigs and dialogue, Padre is a devil compared to them. I actually ended up falling in love with Dino and El Capitain from the various shards related to their gigs, and their dialogue. 2 examples that stand out to me:
1. For Dino, almost all of his gigs revolve around extracting information or an item, and never (that I can recall) involve actually killing someone. He often will have the optional goal of getting the job done without open conflict. He clearly dislikes violence, and likes mercs who can get a job done, without leaving a pile of corpses. Also, in one of the NCPD events, where Militech corners a guy in an alley (you find him as a corpse), if you read the shard on him, it's a transcript of him calling Dino, begging for help because the gig went bad, and now he's on the run for his life. And Dino gives him the information on one of his bolt holes, to try and save him. It doesn't work, but Dino gave him the escape hatch with pretty much zero hesitation. To me, that is more a sign of him being a good guy than all the biblical babbling of someone like Padre.
2. For El Capitain, there is the obvious Phantom Liberty gig where you steal a medical truck so you can provide lifesaving medical care for the children of his old neighborhood, but even before that was released, there were a lot of gigs where the job was you going to check on someone who was in a bad situation. Rescue/extraction gigs, someone sending up an SOS and him responding, etc. But the one that I recall the most, was in the gig where there is the cyberpsycho lady in the basement, he initially tells you the gig is to recover the data she was decrypting for him, and she was late. He doesn't say "that bitch is hiding from me, go show her the error of her ways and reclaim my property!" no. He says "Yeah she hasn't checked in for a while, can you go swing by her house and see if she's ok? Oh...and if you can get the data, do that too." He actually forgets about the shard, the initial reason he asks you to take the gig, and diverts to him sounding worried about one of his employees. And then he just remembers "oh yeah...the data, right, get that too."
Both of those guys are way more "good" than Padre, and they don't even have to really broadcast it either. It's baked into their gigs, and the way the present them to V. And I love it.
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Usually, when I come to your character analysis videos, I have a sense of what to expect. My view of the characters usually aligns with yours. This time though, your analysis on Padre made me *completely* reconsider his character.
Also, that older concept art really is daddy.
What makes a good story teller isn't words....it's the belief. It's the want to tell. This was gold and you should be proud. Thank you.
Omg thank you! I’m so glad you enjoyed! 😊
Maybe Mama Welles will assume the role of Heywood's next fixer. If Padre was indeed ousted two years later then she's the only one who has that much respect from the 'tinos
During that ride in the street, kid life path, Padre clearly says to V that the guy who pulled the gun on him will be punished
I’ll never get tired of these cyberpunk videos, do Alex from phantom liberty next please
Not related to Padre, but when you started speaking about what happened to him in the Tower Ending, it made me think of the fate of Wakako. Considering her old age, she might not have survived the two years because of maybe complications. However, a theory I think now that she was eliminated by the NCPD or Militech.
Think about it, the Tyger Claws were connected to Arasaka, and when the corporation was kicked out of Night City, the gang might have fallen as well. With the crime rate down at 2079.
Ooohhh that would be an interesting course of events. I like it!!!
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@@lydiscott any time! Definitely shared your stuff with my friends! Your mix of lore and personal inspection is pretty awesome and isn't really found anywhere. ESPECIALLY on CP2077! Keep it up, i'll keep viewin!~
Not religious, but often come across the subject in my work. The Church’s condemnation of Sancta Muerte doesn’t surprise me at all-since the Church dropped Purgatory there’s been ostensibly but a single destination in the afterlife. The idea of a guide or specter probably smacks of paganism to them, and I would not be surprised if the Lady is in part derived from native Mexican practices.
More technically, the Church has specific requirements for sainthood, namely they must be “proven” to have done miracles in both life and thereafter. Obviously it’s difficult for someone who never existed to perform miracles.
Ohhh this is very interesting! I have to read up more on this kind of thing!
No idea what you're on about in the first part - we Catholics still 100% believe in Purgatory, Heaven, Hell, all that. It's the Protestants who dropped Purgatory. Maybe you're thinking of the old practice of selling indulgences? Actual indulgences are still a thing (one that I don't 100% understand tbh), but the deeply scummy practice of charging people money for a "get out of Purgatory free" card is, thankfully, very much banned now.
The thing with Santa Muerte, as I understand it, is that she and a lot of the related figures are basically re-skinned versions of old Aztec/etc deities whose cults have been kept alive under the guise of "folk Catholic" practice.
SXS the fact that you continue to publish all of these videos is amazing. Keep up the good work! Big fan! Padre may be the weakest but he's definitely the most beloved
Excellent work as always! Waiting ever so patiently for your eventual (hopeful) Reed video…
Your segway into your book made me want to check it out. Well played.
Time for one of my favorite Fixers
Phenomenal video, and thought provoking... Can't wait for the Dakota, or the Mr. Blue Eyes episode...
Just found your channel recently really love the vids!!
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It was fun watching, and its very possible you have a point there. :)
I def have interpreted Padre much more favorably. The Valentinos are most certainly tired of Padre choosing the community over the gang but until something happens that hurts the community because of him they kind of can't do anything. I do think its interesting that all the fixers have ties to their local gang, and then because the gigs are in their district all the enemies are that gang. So I never really looked too hard at the Padre gigs being full of killing Valentinos.
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In regards to José Luis and Gustavo Orta, I always thought they were being offered up as "sacrifice" to appease another powerful group and prevent retribution or war. That is a recurring event throughout Night City. One Malestrom gangoon slaughtered a sizable group of Tyger Claws, and is freely handed over to them as a form of apology (one of the NCPD's "assault in progress" missions in Northside Watson). With Orto and Luis, they needed to be handled by someone in their own ranks so that their deaths didn't motivate other Valentinos to seek retribution, which would have completely negated their sacrifice.
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14:42 proverb 16 : 18 "pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall" - beautiful hahahahaha I think that was what dex was
I would want Martha to be the one who took down Padre.
She wakes up from a coma sometime after the game and goes on a revenge spree for her dead lover.
I’m just a sucker for that type of
thing tbh.
The mini notes is greatly appreciated
I have to admit I cracked up at 8.55 at the "you could have become anything else"+slow zoom into Mr. Stud advertisement 😂
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Your videos are fantastic! Thank you!
Cyberpunk 2077 always manages to surprise you by devoting time to even their smallest characters.
Can you do a video to Hands? I think he's like the most interesting fixer.
This was another good watch, thanks.
Padre's downfall is one of the most interesting stories to happen offscreen in the two year gap in The Tower. That he gets removed from power in a way that destroys his reputation rather than simply taken out with a conventional hit that might've turned him into a legendary name feels like Mr Hands' MO, and if anyone knew how to leverage the information about the Orta gig into creating an advantageous power vaccuum, it'd be Hands. My guess is that by the time V is back in NC, Hands has not just taken control of Dogtown and Pacifica but The Glen as well. Whoever runs the Valentinos by that point might only be there because Hands is calling the shots just as Bennett ends up running Barghest as a puppet.
That’s why I use the British pronunciation of sixth. Eliminates any issues with forming consonants that don’t go well together
Like the saying “Would you rather be Feared or Loved ?” He goes for Both and kinda pulls it off which is Tricky
Man, what I would give to see Wakako and el Padre talk and interact. Both imo are probably the oldest and most connected fixers, with dark pasts.
I might be mishearing or misinterpreting you, but my take on Padre, and fixers in general, is that, in the cyberpunk world, theyre more like a third, largely neutral (even if they might have preferences) party in all aspects of night city life. Each fixer tends to operate in gang territory, and many often have you go after gangs theyre otherwise seen as nominally aligned with or regularly dealing with, but are never directly touched. My take on them has been that, if theyre in good standing with local mercs, and generally with local powerful people (corpos, police, gangs), they can be the third party that someone goes through to hire a merc to even whack a local gang leader, and its still seen as "theyre not the one who ordered the hit, theyre useful to us too, and the potential resources they could call out to protect them isnt worth the trouble". In Padre's case, hes just that power broker (emphasis on the broker aspect) for the south of town (sans pacifica), and WILL deal with 6th street if the business is legit, the respect is shown, and the balance is maintained. Heck, im not even sure if hes still an actual member of the valentinos anymore, and not just an associate/"respected member of the community" and is tolerated, if not reapected, for the role he represents. If a major fixer is eliminated that respects the balance, then who fills the vacuum, and what is the blow-back of taking him out?
At least, thats my take on it
It might because I'm not real leader material, but if a random pulls his gun on me, I'm not letting it go. My equal may pull a gun on me without dying. My inferior by a few step can pull a gun on me without dying, though their business/house/car aquaintance may have a few accidents. But a random ? Hell no. If I let a random go with a stunt like that, other randoms will start thinking they're hot shit as well.
Thrones like Padre or Wakako are built on shifting sands. When the sand is stable and your reign is strong, you squash no name who thinks they're hot shit because letting them go could snowball into more like them, destabilizing your reign. When the sand is flowing, and your throne gets shaky, you squash no name to remind everyone you might be down but you're not out.
15:20 This! I was about to mention how you get a lot of missions taking out Valentinos on behalf of a Valentino fixer. I felt like it could've been paranoia, but always brushed it off. This pretty much confirms it.
''The Devil can cite scripture to suit his purpose" is exactly the phrase that popped into my head when I first spoke with the good Padre.
I will not stand for this Padre slander! He is Streetkid V's honorary grandpa!
Padre was always daddy.
Hahaha. Was he daddy? Lmao
Dude, hilarious. Love your humor. Great video man.
This is great analise of the padre. love it!
Imho the biggest imput in Padres character was his time in prison. we keep hearing interviews with ex prisoners that keeps the prison laws and behaves in their free lives, cause they simply can't do differently anymore.
So Patre is old, yet he is mentaly stuck in the prison world where you loose respect, you loose everything. he feels that he's loosing it, and he need to keep flexing and reminding everybody about the old school rulles and he being in charge.
And all that religion thing, for this dude this is just some excuse that he try to justyfy his bad actions. and ensure himself that he is the righteous man, cause the end is near for him.
I've been wanting to see a Padre video 🙏
Great video! Padre and the Valentino religion points were interesting to see from an outside perspective. To me it was all so believable (and even familiar) that I didn't give it much thought at first, but this video helped me appreciate just how well depicted the Valentino's as a latino gang are. They are a product of the setting just as much as a product of their culture
I'm loving this series on fixers. ^v^ I'm excited to see who will be the best saved for last. My bet is either Hands or Rogue, but I'm not sure which just yet... Very interesting analysis on the Padre! Not what I expected, but points made well. Ultimately he's an old man in a young man's game, and riding more on what that implies than the ability to back it up...
11:25 Lmao! I never really thought about it, but now I can't stop noticing it... "Six'thhhh... Street" xD
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Great watch!
Padre's sweater makes me think of Mister Rogers, who was a priest, too!
Ah, just when the cyberpunk bug has bit me again, I get more lore. Fantastic work
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When I played through cyberpunk and had the initial ride with padre, my take with the 6th street response wasn't that sam would get himself killed by next week, but that padre would have him delt with by next week. Padre always seemed like the type uses respect as both a shield and a tool and understands how useful it can be, but also understands that there will always be those who attempt to take power. His response to those who steps out of line is to make examples and retain his power while maintaining his veneer of respect.
Padre taking the gig from 6th Street makes more sense to me after playing through Yakuza like a dragon. For trouble between gangs that are already at war, inciting incidents that could fuel the flames more (aka reduce both sides numbers and strain the bonds of their own gang) is generally something they'd want to avoid.
The gig where the Padre has you kill Orta could be more along the lines of diplomacy than taking out a rival. The Sixth Street boss' daughter was hurt while hanging out with Orta which naturally would anger him and direct his ire at the Valintino's even more. This could cause the semi hot semi cold gang war between the two to flare up into a full blown open war which really would be bad for both gangs as it bleeds them men, money and gets the cops and corps to notice them much more. So Padre to sooth the father's anger and hopefully put a damper on the coals offered up Orta as a sacrifice to avoid things getting out of hand. This has happen many times through out history both on national government levels and the criminal world. Men who play at politics with no real understanding or grasp of finesse kill enemies left right and center while a skilled politician will manipulate things to sap the power base of his foes to render them moot or open them up to attack from those with less finesse thus keeping his name out of the mess as well as his rep. It's never as cut and dry as it seems nor is the surface level motive or even the second layer motive ever truly the real purpose of an action with people like this. It's very much 4d chess be it in the halls of Congress in Washington or the streets between a few bloods and latin kings.
It makes sense that the Valentinos would eventually get sick of him. He was the least insulated of any Fixer from backlash off the streets, and he did treat them pretty badly considering he relies on them for protection. When he said getting back at the Tinos wasn't part of the van theft gig I knew he stabbed them right in the back, and just to intimidate some hicks who probably wouldn't come back anyway.
Though Padre's spirituality certainly may be a costume puts on, it's become one that he both believes and fervently hopes is true. His faith gives him something he can believe in even as his own power wanes.
In a city where everything is fleeting, the language and values feel eternal. And that provides a measure of security that he can never find in power, eddies, or relationships.
You make a very compelling argument.
Finally someone else recognizes daddy padre art🥺
13:20 "Its about keeping those ants in line!"
I like Padre because his Gigs are honest.
If you read some of the shards his targets have, a couple are along the lines of, "I did a terrible thing, but I went to a confessional, so I should be good now..."
Padre weakness is shown from the internal issues in the Valentinos, as others stated. As several of his missions are getting rid of his own, be it they were getting rid of his contacts or courting an enemy's as a lover. Mind Wakako is similar as we do missions where she has us get rid of Tiger Claws even though she is very connected with them.
He has power and weaknesses the other fixers connected to gangs don't have. Be it he is more out publicly when others stay in more protected places. Padre needed to get rid of that 6th street punk who threatened him, for example, as others stated or it be worse later on for him. Mind as others also stated the fact it even happens shows issues in his power base to it happening at all.
The DLC ending where we find out Padre is gone between the 2 year coma isn't surprising. As there was evidence his time was almost up, be it from new upcoming Valentinos internally or 6th Street, which was going through massive changes as well. I was more sad about hearing possibly Mama Welles and Pepe might be dead or at best left night city and aren't reachable given the shop is closed.
In two years, a lot changed to the point that some nobody punks, who knows some things, can just openly attack a weak V who has been away. Some of the changes feel a bit too radical for just two years. Given V from the Heywood path did leave before for x years before coming back. Padre is axed after said 2 years, and even Viktor giving in after what has happened, I can see. The random punks, though, going for V right where it happened, and conversation, though, regardless of choices, was pretty forced, though, in my view.
Given that the punk had knowledge on things he had to know, Viktor used to be non corporate owned. Given this, nobody knows Padre, the shop situation, etc, depending on life path dialogue.
I didn't expect to hear the elevator music from Mass Effect in this video.
About the gig where you rale out Valentinos working for Arasaka, Padre doesn't know until V tells him so.
I was always under the impression that Padre was making a play for the throne as Campo Orta is in jail I believe and Gustavo is largely out of the running as he secludes himself away in his tower after the Martha thing, leaving the Valentinos' effectively leaderless. He allows himself to seem weak so that they will not suspect him I think. But either way he is old and frail and not particularly chromed out. He flew too close to the sun. For someone who is out of the gang he sure sticks his nose in.
3:18:00 I actually have a lot of perspective about this and have been thinking about making a video about it sometime because I generally end up always simping for the Valentino's when I work with them.
I grew up in California Cholo / Mexican immigrant culture, and the way they nailed it makes me feel like I'm at grandma's house. It's SO DIFFERENT from Roman Catholic cultures outside of Mexico, but regional catholics are always insular (italian, irish, greek orthodox, all have very specific identities). The Valentinos remind me of my cousins at car meets or cruise nights. They would dress to the nines, slacks, tanktops, but cleancut despite being fully covered in tattoos. Face tattoos are fully the norm and viewed almost as a form of repettance for your sins.
I also grew up in Brujeria culture, so the mysticism is pretty serious and it makes sense to me that these folk magic tenets would pass on because as tech advances, it's very easy easy to get it to lure people in - I had a joke when the height of WitchTok was happening that H.E.C.A.T.E. should the name of a Sentient AI that was specifically created, activated, and then it took over, Delamain style, to radicalize people to Witchtok... And then um. The election happened a year later so. Cyberpunk is real.
shit. I should have trademarked H.E.C.A.T.E. Don't steal it.
Kirk is even worse than the kid that get killed by Rinder, and he only dreamed of beeing a fixer....
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For me... I think Padre got caught too much trying to prevent a corpo war in Heywood, and made the mistake of ignoring the knife pointed at his back by an ambitious Valentino trying to make a name...