I never understood Robert Bly. Here's why. I had the nicest dad in the world. He played with his kids--all five of us, talked to us, read to us and gave us tremendous freedom, respect and affection but did not bring his disappointments home from work probably because he didn't have any. Nor did he demand respect because he was not insecure in himself. A WWII vet and bronze star winner who studied religion and philosophy on the GI Bill he was the most contented human being I've ever met. The best man I've ever met. Several of my friends had harsh closed dads like Bly's. I felt sorry for them. All my cousins said he was their favorite uncle. When I was in high school and college little kids in the neighborhood still knocked on the door and asked if he could come out and play. He had an ego but it wasn't a fragile one. He never hit us. Never had to. Rarely was he angry. The threat of his disappointment alone was enough to keep us in line. When I got a little older I asked dad's sisters why he was that way. They said he was just like their father. Oh what fathers pass on to their sons!
Could you elaborate further? I'm in a crisis right now, struggling to find my way and recognizing many psychological issues that I have. I don't know what or who to be anymore.
@@longlakeshore Your views on the topic of masculinity Your views about yourself and your own self esteem Your relationship to other people Your emotional maturity
@@DoomGappy1994 On masculinity. Most of what is defined as masculine and feminine is determined by the culture in which a child is raised. One example is an old nursery rhyme I was taught as a child: "Girls are sugar, spice and everything nice. Boys are snips, snails and puppy dog tails." This taught children what they were expected to be based on their sex. Little boys and girls quickly conform to this standard. Those who don't will be criticized. This creates the expectation that men must be hard and strong while women must be soft and empathetic. The problem with this is that those characteristics are personality traits common to both sexes. This leads to men to repress empathy & sympathy. It leads women to repress their strength & mastery. The fact is these personality traits are neither masculine or feminine. They are HUMAN. We all have them. The danger is repressing them. Myself and my self esteem. My self esteem is does not come from outside myself. I do not care what others think of me or how they judge me. My relationship to other people. As best I can I keep an open, non judgmental mind about all people especially those I don't like or aren't easy to be around. Other than that I receive others with hospitality and let them go in peace.
…Each of us deserves to be forgiven, if only for Our persistence in keeping our small boat afloat. When so many have gone down in the storm. Blessings, you have given so much to satisfy Our Hunger and support our floating boats🙏🏽 Robert Bly, Robert Bly, Robert Bly Aho!
I thanked my dad for all the good and not so good about one month before he passed. I thank God that I was able to speak to him before the day of his calling. It brought me untold peace that none of my siblings had. I know that he left this world knowing that he did a great job raising me and my siblings. That was my peace and his as well.
I had the opportunity to tell my father that what he considered one of his big mistakes was actually the greatest gift (it actually was) he had given me and my brother. It gave him immense peace.
I started reading iron John a year ago, I had no idea he died the same year. This book changed my life and inspires me to continue the tradition of boys becoming men.
The book was extremely painful to read because it focused on everything I missed out on not having a father growing up. On the plus side, it altered my perception of masculinity. I realized that I was embracing a phony masculinity that has destroyed men, a meaningless one that was being sold by soulless profiteers.
What water for the soul, food for the heart; tears for the old man in the prison of silence we ask him to stand within. I love the courage flowing through these men.
Amazing. astonishing and brilliant! Bly has opened doors into my psyche I only suspected were slammed shut.......more importantly, he offers the insights required to open them, begin to connect with deep grief, to know why the grief is there, and, what it takes to heal it.........to weep, to breathe and to learn to live. Michael Meade's work on Fate and Destiny, also pivotal. Many thanks for this posting to Tim Robins.
Robert Bly captivates the male - marries the younger to the older in an effort to let the little boy inside the man confront the issues of exactly what it means to be a man.
My father was a bastard. He beat and abused me, and he did other things too. I'm an old man now, and my father is dying from dementia. He'll never know that I've forgiven him.
Astonishing, pearl after pearl after pearl! The insights herein give men the psychological keys required to unlock the real manhood and gravitas and consequent maturity so dormant in the western male psyche. Thank you Tim Robins, Bill Moyers and Robert Bly!
I was admired by a few or many men until I was 7 or 8 or 9 and I even was admired by some or many girls until I was 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 or 11 by a few or many women until I was 7 or 8 or 9 or 10.
Hi Christopher, i bought the VHS 6 years ago and had it converted to digital format, then uploaded it to Google video. Now transferred to YT. Not sure about the DVD version. You might as well download it for free from YT using free software like YoutTube Downloader. Save yourself the money! : )
Excellent! Is this from the VHS, or the DVD? It seems that the DVD is only 50 minutes, but the VHS is the entire 90. I'd like to know before I purchase either.
Have you ever looked into the eyes of your father, when he tells you that he wants to commit suicide? When that shit goes down, everything in this video will ring true.
My father never attempted suicide, but he often told me that he would prefer to be dead than living another day. That is brutal. I have struggled hard to recover from many episodes of depression. A distant, false mother didn't really help either. But I am determined to rediscover life. How are you nowadays? Thanks!
"He didn't get hysterical. He just said "This must be the place"'
Truly spoken by someone who never had a dog.
“A warrior is one that pursues a task until it is finished, for a cause that is transcendent to himself”.
- Robert Bly
Men need to read Iron John... It will change your life.... Thank you Robert Bly...
I am rereading that.
Jano, I agree, Iron John spoke to me like nothing ever before. If you haven’t done Jiu Jitsu, it is equally life changing.
How did the book help you become a more masculine man?
I can listen to him all day, especially while he plays on his instrument while telling stories, fairy tales and speaking poems.
I never understood Robert Bly. Here's why. I had the nicest dad in the world. He played with his kids--all five of us, talked to us, read to us and gave us tremendous freedom, respect and affection but did not bring his disappointments home from work probably because he didn't have any. Nor did he demand respect because he was not insecure in himself. A WWII vet and bronze star winner who studied religion and philosophy on the GI Bill he was the most contented human being I've ever met. The best man I've ever met. Several of my friends had harsh closed dads like Bly's. I felt sorry for them. All my cousins said he was their favorite uncle. When I was in high school and college little kids in the neighborhood still knocked on the door and asked if he could come out and play. He had an ego but it wasn't a fragile one. He never hit us. Never had to. Rarely was he angry. The threat of his disappointment alone was enough to keep us in line. When I got a little older I asked dad's sisters why he was that way. They said he was just like their father.
Oh what fathers pass on to their sons!
Could you elaborate further? I'm in a crisis right now, struggling to find my way and recognizing many psychological issues that I have. I don't know what or who to be anymore.
@@DoomGappy1994 What would you like me to elaborate upon specifically?
@@longlakeshore
Your views on the topic of masculinity
Your views about yourself and your own self esteem
Your relationship to other people
Your emotional maturity
@@DoomGappy1994
On masculinity. Most of what is defined as masculine and feminine is determined by the culture in which a child is raised. One example is an old nursery rhyme I was taught as a child: "Girls are sugar, spice and everything nice. Boys are snips, snails and puppy dog tails." This taught children what they were expected to be based on their sex. Little boys and girls quickly conform to this standard. Those who don't will be criticized.
This creates the expectation that men must be hard and strong while women must be soft and empathetic. The problem with this is that those characteristics are personality traits common to both sexes. This leads to men to repress empathy & sympathy. It leads women to repress their strength & mastery.
The fact is these personality traits are neither masculine or feminine. They are HUMAN. We all have them. The danger is repressing them.
Myself and my self esteem. My self esteem is does not come from outside myself. I do not care what others think of me or how they judge me.
My relationship to other people. As best I can I keep an open, non judgmental mind about all people especially those I don't like or aren't easy to be around. Other than that I receive others with hospitality and let them go in peace.
@@longlakeshore You are a great dude
…Each of us deserves to be forgiven,
if only for Our persistence in keeping
our small boat afloat. When so many
have gone down in the storm.
Blessings, you have given so much to
satisfy Our Hunger and support our floating boats🙏🏽
Robert Bly, Robert Bly, Robert Bly
Aho!
It is heartening that much of Bly's work is still being perpetuated in organizations like The Mankind Project.
I thanked my dad for all the good and not so good about one month before he passed. I thank God that I was able to speak to him before the day of his calling. It brought me untold peace that none of my siblings had. I know that he left this world knowing that he did a great job raising me and my siblings. That was my peace and his as well.
I had the opportunity to tell my father that what he considered one of his big mistakes was actually the greatest gift (it actually was) he had given me and my brother. It gave him immense peace.
I started reading iron John a year ago, I had no idea he died the same year. This book changed my life and inspires me to continue the tradition of boys becoming men.
The book was extremely painful to read because it focused on everything I missed out on not having a father growing up. On the plus side, it altered my perception of masculinity. I realized that I was embracing a phony masculinity that has destroyed men, a meaningless one that was being sold by soulless profiteers.
How can it be that I have only just discovered this!
"See this ocean? It's for you. This ocean is going to be there whether you have long hair or short hair." - Beautiful quote
It's been a while since men have commented on this important work. Let's revisit the wisdom found here. Brilliant is an understatement.
Robert Bly was fire. Rest In Peace dear man, dear soul.
A strong man indeed
❣️🔥
What water for the soul, food for the heart; tears for the old man in the prison of silence we ask him to stand within. I love the courage flowing through these men.
Amazing. astonishing and brilliant! Bly has opened doors into my psyche I only suspected were slammed shut.......more importantly, he offers the insights required to open them, begin to connect with deep grief, to know why the grief is there, and, what it takes to heal it.........to weep, to breathe and to learn to live. Michael Meade's work on Fate and Destiny, also pivotal. Many thanks for this posting to Tim Robins.
This is much different than what I am used to with men and men's issues
All men out there - let's follow our paths and share the grief, suffering, hapiness, masculinity with each other...
Amen
Beautiful! As most of Robert Bly! Thank you!
Bly's Iron John made me realize I was heading down the wrong path regarding masculinity which was destroyed by our industry.
I love this guy. I wish I could meet him. Thank you for this recording!
Blessings and many, many thanks to you this is truly a gift to men and to us women too!
Most inspiring and a important legacy for masculine position that cannot be forgotten...in this times of crisis and lawless families...
Thank you for sharing this gem
Say what you will about Robert's hubris, parenting skills, choice of women, etc... this is brilliant. The old man at his best.
Are you related to him?
With all the books this guy wrote I should be able to go to sleep tonight and wake up tomorrow in a brand new world...I cant hardly wait....
Me too
Robert Bly captivates the male - marries the younger to the older in an effort to let the little boy inside the man confront the issues of exactly what it means to be a man.
Well said
thank you so much for uploading and sharing with us all this video. it is very special.
A great work. Gratitude.
Thanks so much for this - read the Iron John book recently - a lifechanger
His 92 now still alive
Thanks for this upload!!
I saw this when it first aired. This is the second time.
Nourishing. Thank you.
My father was a bastard. He beat and abused me, and he did other things too. I'm an old man now, and my father is dying from dementia. He'll never know that I've forgiven him.
Forgive him
Astonishing, pearl after pearl after pearl! The insights herein give men the psychological keys required to unlock the real manhood and gravitas and consequent maturity so dormant in the western male psyche. Thank you Tim Robins, Bill Moyers and Robert Bly!
1:00:30 Wordsworth Poem About the Man Under the Tree
Pure gold
This is gold, as is his legacy. Thank you for uploading!
Anyone knows which instrument he's playing?
I think it is a bouzouki, a greek instrument
Thank you so much!
It's funny how similar Moyer's voice is to Charlie Rose's. I loved Bly' s translation of Hamsun's Hunger. His book on shame was very good.
Moyer is an asshole globalist and a consumate liar.
I've seen this before.good author.😉
We remember watching Robert Bly on PBS...
Robert Bly is an initiator
This is some powerful stuff!
1:10:00 Exactly! Mentors can be a book.
I was admired by a few or many men until I was 7 or 8 or 9 and I even was admired by some or many girls until I was 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 or 11 by a few or many women until I was 7 or 8 or 9 or 10.
thanks + blessings.
1:03:30 Men Learn in Ritual Space
Mr. Bly's Frame is ultra strong.
Hi Christopher, i bought the VHS 6 years ago and had it converted to digital format, then uploaded it to Google video. Now transferred to YT. Not sure about the DVD version.
You might as well download it for free from YT using free software like YoutTube Downloader. Save yourself the money! : )
Thank you for sharing this for us
57:45 Initiation Ritual Formula
44:28 this needs to be a meme LMAO .. other than that, this was an interesting video. Every man should watch it.
What is the name of the author he is talking about at 38:15? I can't make it out clearly. Any ideas appreciated x
"TS Eliot, the love song of j Alfred Prufrock" ( from reading Closed Caption he is referring to the Eliot poem).
Excellent! Is this from the VHS, or the DVD? It seems that the DVD is only 50 minutes, but the VHS is the entire 90. I'd like to know before I purchase either.
Axé
Gostei muito bom!
wow 0_0 got me thinking about men's health more
How many hits were taken sir?
❤
Sports and war. The two favourite American male pastimes.
Excellent chapter on Lost Male Syndrome (LMS). Google...Hetero Manifesto....(1 in searches).
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Have you ever looked into the eyes of your father, when he tells you that he wants to commit suicide? When that shit goes down, everything in this video will ring true.
My father never attempted suicide, but he often told me that he would prefer to be dead than living another day. That is brutal. I have struggled hard to recover from many episodes of depression. A distant, false mother didn't really help either. But I am determined to rediscover life. How are you nowadays? Thanks!
Your father never said that at all. Stop lying.
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Big brother program
Faded Paper Figures :)
Thanks Jordan Peterson sr., Your son is arguing about the definition of "do"...
Don't put Jordan Peterson and Robert Bly in the same sentence, JP is the charlatan Bly is talking about