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Considering the game was made on a tight budget in only 16 months i consider it a great game (the combat and web swinging were godlike) the soundtrack is pretty memorable, i think its under rated.
This game is buggy as all hell. The writing is atrocious. Venom (Eddie Brock) is butchered and it would have made more sense if Carnage (Cleatus Kassady) was the villain but of course Carnage was never going to be as popular as Venom. The choices are kind of black and white. Spideys voice is annoying and he sounds like an edge lord when he's trying to be bad. I'd say this game is the Spiderman 3 of Spiderman games but there's already a Spiderman 3 of Spiderman games, so I'll say this is the xmen last stand of Spiderman video games or better yet the xmen Origins Wolverine of Spiderman videogames. Story beats make no sense. Everyone and I mean everyone is out of character.
And there is a little detail too about how is spidey's red or black choice should go. When the first fight with wolverine if you play correctly(red) wolverine will say:İf that things will control over you gutting is still a option,got me? In the beginning of the game Wolverine is saying that line just like black cat says to spidey:This city is going to be ours,you just wait and see.
Something I like about this game is how the power difference between red and black is. The black suit makes you feel powerful, and gameplay wise addicting. If Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 goes down the "Peter gets the black suit" route, I hope they use this game as inspiration for it.
THIS! After reading the comment above this with all the canon choices, he mentions that dialogue can be affected by your open world gameplay. And I thought to myself, “but the black suit feels better to play with”. You sir put my conundrum into words
but that works only cause the red suit is also powerful and relatively black suit seems more impressive. In insomniac , the spiderman there just feels restrictive
06:08 I love how if you swing too low to the ground, he still holds onto the web and runs along the ground to keep the momentum going. Def need that and the air fighting in the new Spider-Man game!
"How do I turn back the darkness without losing myself to it?" Hopefully that line is in the sequel. I hope peter uses the symbiote the whole story even vs venom just to show how addictive the suit is to him. Also MJ sees how the symbiote changes him and wants him to get rid of it!
@@Killer22246 I hope the story is about 40hours or 30 to tell a lengthy storyline about the blacksuit and venom. The symbiote storyline never took it's time in the games. This time they can go all in since they probably can make a longer story and huge improvements to the gameplay and graphics since they aren't being held back by the hardware. Am very happy it's exclusive. If it was on ps4 the swinging speed would have been the same
@Allucard Him using the black suit VS Venom makes no sense unless they completely change Venom. Peter rejecting the suit is the only reason it even hates him and bonds with Eddie.
I remember this game absolutely terrified me as a kid due to the dark tone but I still have lots of very good memories with this game and revisiting this game and beating it was making me remember my earlier days. Can't wait until Marvel's Spider-Man 2 and see how Venom will be handled.
I had a very recurring nightmare because of this game, where i was Spiderman jumping around Manhattan buildings while i was hunted by Venom. And he would NEVER leave me alone, despite every effort. I couldn't even turn off the console. This game traumatized me 😂
I honestly hope is handled infamous style. Choices and some karma-like system. How much are you giving in to the dark self and stuff, you know. Of course, like in infamous, the exchange for abandoning your gooder side, is MORE POWER. Stronger abilities or something, you write it.
Glad someone drew so much attention to this ending, as I also feel it's the canon ending for all the same reasons. I have thought quite a bit about this games story over the years and feel there's enough in game evidence to suggest what other choices in the game are more canon to the overall narrative. So here's an overly long comment dissecting each choice and the in game evidence that suggests which one is canon. There are 9 Primary Path Choices before Symbiote Vulture, you must have made 5 Red Suit Choices in order to get the right ending, you can only make 4 Black Suit Choices. Keep in mind when going through the game, that due to the implications of which choices are more canon, it is actually impossible to stay 100% in canon, so sometimes you'll have to make the opposite choice just to ensure you have made enough Red Suit choices, but generally these instances are reconcilable story wise. With that out of the way, lets begin. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gang War Choice - Red Path (Mandatory) The Red Path sees the gangs make peace and promise to help Spider-man in the future, and during the Symbiote Invasion we see both Harlem Gangs working alongside each other and serving as allies to Spider-man. This makes way more sense if the player had made the Red Suit Choice earlier. There is no real reason to make the Black Suit Choice here. Black Cat Choice - Black Path (Mandatory) For the same reasons mentioned in this video Vulture Choice - Black Path (Optional) (Optional means this is likely Canon, but worth compromising on in favor of other choices) The Black Path has Spider-man setting Vulture free, telling him that he will now help him or else: "He'll do more than take his wings (next time they fight)" This seems to scare Vulture quite a bit, and helps explain why Vulture is so willing to help Spider-man during the later parts of the game. However the Red Suit Path can also work since Vulture could have been freed by Kingpin and ordered to help Spider-man during the invasion. But I lean towards the Black Path being Canon here, especially since Vulture is free immediately after the boss fight no matter what. Really the only reason to choose the Red Suit choice is if you prefer to save room on your Black Suit Choice Tally for other Choices later in the game. (As otherwise you've already made two Black Suit Choices, and can only make two more after this) Wolverine Ending - Red Path (Mandatory) One of Wolverines lines in the Red Path is quoted during the prologue, so it's 100% Canon. Rykers Island Trip - No Clear Canon Choice Either Path works, but I'd lean towards the Red Path as you need every Red Suit choice you can get for the Red Suit Ending. Rhino Choice - In game evidence suggests both, but I lean towards the Red Path Rhino will be free in the City no matter what you choose, which only really makes sense if you choose the Black Suit Path, as there Spider-man sets Rhino free and tells him that he'll need his help later, while the Red Path has Spider-man lie to Rhino in order to trick him into staying behind. I'd say the Black Path is the canon choice, however that locks you into the Black Suit Narration at Stark Tower, which serves to further setup Spider-mans grudge against Venom in the Black Suit Endings. (Definitely non-canon to our canon story route) The Red Suit Narration at Stark Tower is more in line with Peters outlook on the City in the Canon story, and is very similar to his dialogue from the Trailers, so this is definitely the canon narration, but you can only hear it by making the Red Suit Choice with Rhino. In the end this is a minor choice and worth compromising for your Red Suit Choice Tally, as the Red Suit narration is more important to the canon story than the inconsistency of Rhino being free and helping Spider-man despite Spider-man not freeing him. Symbiote Electro Choice - Black Path (Optional) Either Path works story wise, but I lean towards the Black Path as it makes more in game sense. (Electro is available as an ally after this mission regardless of your choice, it makes more sense if you save him and recruit him in the Black Path.) Symbiote Wolverine Choice - Black Path (*Almost* Mandatory) MJ and Luke's dialogue in the prologue implies that Peter was under the Symbiotes influence last time they met, which could only have been in the Park before the Convoy Mission. Peter is only under the Symbiotes influence in that cutscene if he chose the Black Path after defeating Symbiote Wolverine. I strongly believe that version of the cutscene is Canon, however in the Red Path, the outcome of the Symbiote Wolverine battle and the exchange between Spider-man and Wolverine feels more genuine and relevant to the canon story. (But then it makes the following cutscene with MJ and Luke inconsistent with the implications from the Prologue, which I feel is more important.) Another matter that complicates this is that Wolverine will appear on the helicarrier to help Spider-man in the Red Path, a bit weird if you made the Black Suit Choice, but I don't think it's a story breaking detail. Symbiote Black Cat - Black Path (Mandatory) You must make this choice to get the Canon Ending. Extra Venom Choice - Red Path (Mandatory) Honestly it just makes more sense for Spider-man to try and save Venom, the sudden heel turn otherwise is totally out of the blue in this story. Misc Kingpin has a line in the Prologue that's only stated during one of his Optional Conversations, so you should engage in all Optional Conversations for full canonicity. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you read all of that I applaud you, here's some more food for thought. Your current in game Suit alignment directly affects dialogue in several instances. Your in game suit alignment is easily manipulated by doing Open World events, so you can manipulate mission dialogue to your hearts content without consequences, but I do recommend ensuring you have Red Suit Alignment for all Narration in the game as it fits the Red Path best. Here's all moments affected by Suit Alignment that I recall Luke Cage's First Web Strike Training Session First meeting with Moon Knight (Actually dependent on which suit you're wearing, not your suit alignment) Black Cat Battle Vulture Battle First Encounter with Hidden Symbiotes at Kingpin Rooftop Hideout Spider-man's Narration before going to Hell's Kitchen First Encounter with Wolverine Possibly the Second Venom Encounter Pre First Shield Quarantine Site Narration Post Shield Quarantine Site\Post Electro Boss Narration Possibly Symbiote Electro-ling chase in Central Park leading up to Symbiote Electro boss Spider-mans first meeting with Luke Cage and MJ in the Park before going to the Church Spider-man's Narration upon arriving at the Church Spider-man's dialogue at the start of the Symbiote Black Cat Choice Cutscene Symbiote Vulture Battle
Underrated comment. I love this idea for being the canon timeline so it matches up with the prologue and even some similar stuff from the trailers. It makes it all feel so much more impactful hearing it all play out in one playthrough
@@Xiter2024 I don't think that it's true, I tried that on a real Xbox 360 on one of my playthroughs and I still got the Red ending. Maybe it's different on other versions.
Funnily enough, since the last choice (saving or killing Venom) happens after the symbiote-killing bomb goes off, Peter will theoretically still have the black suit in both of the good endings if you choose to kill Venom in the end.
We can all agree that was an oversight on the developers' part. It should have been that the choice was made automatically depending on the route you took.
I can't help but find a little hilarity in the "no more black suit" promise thing cuz while the story makes it look as though he spent that bit not using it until the symbiote dogpile, the actual gameplay just lets you keep the ability to use it during the convoy segment with no consequence, especially since at that point the black suit's combo is an absolute powerhouse.
This is the game I've actually beaten the most amount of times out of everything else I've ever played. It's just so fun. Hopefully Marvel's Spider-Man 2's combat reaches this same level.
I really really loved this game. The traversal and the story are great in my opinion. I especially love how you can chose from dark and light. But this games combat was next level. So in depth and so detailed, and if you actually took time to understand it, you’d realize it’s not a button mash but actually quite complex and incredibly fun. The web strike is hands down my favourite combat mechanic in any game I’ve ever played
One thing no one mentions is that the final choice of the game is on the helicarrier, after he lost the suit if he follows that path. He somehow regains it, or the devs forgot about it and didn't bother changing it
@@pg5650 i dont think they forgot but its can make sense if you go all bad. For the good ending i just say he took a part of the symbiote again and then killed him lol
Absolutely loved this game when I was younger. Sure the story was darker but it was just so interesting all the choices and outcomes. Though one small thing I do wish is that Peter could have had more personal story with the black suit. That line of "I think its changed. This time is different" could have meant perhaps the small bit of symbiote that left Venom wanted another chance. Perhaps it could have lead to yes the symbiote either corrupting him OR Peter slowly teaches the symbiote what it means to be good and a hero. Sure the symbiote could still have its rougher moves but I've always wanted something to dabble in the idea of "What if the black suit turned good".
They could've had a sequel where no matter the ending, a piece of the venom symbiote survived and bred to make Carnage the next antag and spider carnage as the new black suit. Or you could start the game off as ruling the city with Black cat, and then Carnage threatens your rule. No way would all symbiote follow their "king." God damnit, I hate how Activision handles their devs.
Activision lost the license due to their own incompetence. They told Beenox to pump out Spiderman like a sweat shop and the resr is history but now that Microsoft bought Activision Blizzard there's some hope
There was a prequel game in development that would’ve had Carnage as the main villain and apparently would’ve explained why he wasn’t in Web of Shadows.
@@ayananis4862 i personally love web signing in the game, the city feels humongous and the swinging speed is honestly really good and makes you feel like you're flying
@@ricardosalgado2490 Yeah I just came back from playing that one heck of a game all in all if i stay a lil down level i feel very fast while to be honest i kinda crave more speed when i am at higher levels
@@ayananis4862 so idk what console you have but I have a PS3 and I get what you mean but you can get some good speed going up high in the air that's why I love it so much I'll be like 50 feet above the buildings lol so that's why it feels like I'm flying so I just hold R2 to web swing while pointing up with the joy stick and hold x and that's how you go high and fast
I played the absolute SHIT out of this game as a kid, the dark tone disturbed me a lot, it 100% helped shape my tastes in games I would play in the future and my preference for dark themes and tones in media as a whole
Web of shadows is one of the most darkest and best gameplay spidey game in all of spidey games. Marvel spiderman 2 should get inspirations from it from webswinging and symbiote gameplay. Hopefully we change between the classic and the blacksuit with the press of a button.
Absolutely agree. I've always liked this ending the best. Some details hinted at certain choices, such as Cat's voice acting in one dialogue. True, there are minor flaws in some plot points, characters and behavior of characters, such as Mary Jane. Even if being kind is ideal, she will still have a negative attitude towards Peter. Perhaps the developers have driven themselves into a trap with a prologue, but here the reason is different. Activision pushed developers too hard. For this project to come out, I had to involve Trearch in the development, although, to be honest, I think that they are the real developers of this game. If you dive into the development of the Raimi 3 game, you can find a debug build for consoles with developments for Wos, as well as some canceled ideas for this game that were later implemented in Web of Shadows. Why did I even say that. If the publisher had given a reasonable timeline to develop such a concept masterpiece, we could have seen a really powerful, detailed, multi-choice Spider-Man story (from what I've heard, the game could have had more endings). I will favor the choice of rescuing the Cat towards the end of the game. In my opinion, this is the most difficult choice of the game, as it can be perceived in different ways. Personally, I have always found red to be a poor choice. Spider-Man hurt Felicia so badly under the symbiote that he died, Kat's body was injured and possibly with broken bones inside. She is on the verge of death. Hardly S.H.I.E.L.D. medicine will save her. Therefore, the dark choice always seemed to me kind and right. If he had to, Peter would give his entire symbiote to save the girl. Everyone always forgets that if not as a love interest, then as a friend, Felicia is important to Peter. Because of these factors, Mary Jane in this scene is usually seen as a real bad character.
This is a universe where people die and frequently come back to life. SHIELD also has the best medical tech on earth, I can completely see them saving her life.
Only thing i hate that you have to be full evil to be with Black Cat and kill Venom it would been awesome you save Venom he either he will become your slave or friend to lead your Symbiote army with Black Cat Venom is not bad guy he just thinks what he does is right he doesn't know right from wrong
@@baige76 well yeah he dies in both choices. It's just you choosing whether to be a savage and kill him urself or have Eddie just off himself instead lol
Evan man.. that monoluge/speech you gave at the end about fighting for another day almost me tear up. Really great video essay on this game. This is my favorite Spider-man game and it's nice to see the attention that it still gets all these years later.
Good air combat, wall combat, ground combat, two suits, totally different powers and styles, ethics, morals, good vs evil, real choices given to the players, this game was an ideal Spiderman 🎯🎮 I wish they would make a continuation of it.
We definitely need to push for a remastered version of this game and I know a few people enjoyed this game along with shattered dimensions! See if people actually requested it would happen but since nobody is willing to bother it doesn’t happen
I really wish we got some more information regarding Peter and Felicia’s relationship after the canonical ending. Is Felicia still fully healed? Did she ever have any actual desire to rule over the symbiotes? How does she feel knowing Peter only chose to “be with her” because of the symbiote’s influence on his mind?
couple of theories i read was....in the good path felicia does get healed up but loses interest in good peter....she did not have desire to rule over symbiotes since she fought against it but peters symbiote took over her so it changed her mind a little......lastly that point is incorrect since peter is in control of the symbiote and not the other way around,peter truly loved her but the only way to save her was to give her the symbiote which once again changed her whole perspective
You JUST figured out the only ending ... what countless either never achieved or just couldn't understand. You are smart and i thought i only understood it to be the actual ending. Especially, knowing and following the COMiCS to heart as a child.
Met the voice of Spider-Man at Stocktoncon a few weeks ago and it was pretty cool. This game would benefit from a remaster and it would be so much fun with or without modern graphics
I agree it is the second best Spider-Man game to ever be created it’s just so good and the open world feels bigger weirdly but it makes the web slinging work I’ve replayed it like 10 times over the years just doing different endings. Gotta admit it’s REALLY difficult not to pick Black Cat over Mary Jane for some reason to me
I remember when I first got this game at GameStop when I was smaller I saw Spider-Man, Wolverine and Venom on the box I instantly love the game. This game was my first really dark Spider-Man story I loved it, everything about how city go from new York to symbiote apocalypse is amazing you see how situation goes bad to worse. When I was little I usually never replay games when there single player because I beat them and that, that. But Web of shadows was my first game ever I replay multiple times I always bring this game ever where I can play it at. Something always made me to come back to it. I'm so happy that people still talking about how good game really is. How dire the situation is. This game is my first introduction to Moon knight character what he about. I was already reading some comic book then but this game kicked my comic book fan into high gear this made me truly into a comic book fan. Thank for talking about one of my favorite Spider-Man games. Keep up the good work
I would love to see the new spiderman game having a symbiote suit combat like in this game, those symbiote moves where so hot, and to change between red and black suits whenever you want, and those red suit balck suit choices would be sweet to implement as well, this game really deserves a remake !
As someone who’s on Xbox so can’t play spider man ps4 web of shadows is still my favourite spider man game playing it on the wii made it so much more memorable
What I realy realy loved on this game was how fast you could swing and you could focus the camera on the enemies and that the whole city turned into the venom stuff and the combos.
Amazing Narration, it was very fun watching this Video. Web of Shadows always remained as my favourite Game because of the different story choices they give you, I hope that in the next Spidey Game we’ll get story and dialogue choices
i'm still playing the game and i'm going all in for the black suit, its powerful, stronger and peter's personailty while donning the suit is dark but badass at the same time, and also i'll say that the villian ending is way better than the good ending because not only you get black cat as your queen, but you get a whole god army of symbiotes at your disposal😃
I played through this recently and loved it . i figure its going to stay a underated gem because it isnt widely available and somewhat hard to obtain on pc legally. As for gameplay ,combat is better than spider man ps4 in my opinion.
for me, this is the best spidey game out of all aside from tasm, wish they would've made a sequel and have it like before the game starts you pick quick choices to decide what path goes down into the game dark or hero from previous game. Good times if childhood ❤
The real ending was that spider-man won but we lost on getting a sequel to the game. God I would kill for a sequel. I want spider-man classic to happen so badly but it's simply just a dream.
It's just a distant memory thanks to Activision screwing up Royally. They lost the license they later approached Marvel for remasters but it got cancelled
Im just happy we got the game we got. If it weren't for Shaba Games getting shutdown and thus Spider-Man Classic's Cancellation, we wouldn't have the masterpiece 2 years after Web of Shadows, Shattered Dimensions.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios I honestly would take web of shadows 2 over shattered dimensions. I love that the Spider-Man voices actors reunited but I didn’t think shattered dimensions wasn’t the best game.
There are actually only two choices in the whole game that effect the ending. The Black Cat fight choice and the final choice. The combination of these two choices determine the ending. Bad for BC, Good for Venom, good ending without Mary Jane. Good for BC Good for Venom, good ending with Mary Jane. Bad BC, Bad Venom, bad ending with BC ruling alongside you. good BC, bad Venom, bad ending where Spider-Man rules the symbiotes alone.
Bro no cap but the symbiotes carried this game and made it badass it made everything 10x times better especially when attached to wolverine omfg I was geekin cause I’ve always wanted to see that and don’t get me started when you get to rip him apart with your bare hands 🙌🙌🙌
Sadly this game isn’t Available on ps4 since we are stuck with the “marvels spider-man” and the one with miles sadly we have long forgotten this good game
Honestly MJ was making Spidey job way harder than it had to be. Maybe she would be cool if Pete was using the Black Suit on normal criminals and villains but New York is literally under siege by Venom and his Spawn. We need to level the playing field and it's just unfortunate if we have to get a bit aggressive 😒😒😒😒😒
I still remember when the trailer for the game came out. My brother and I watched it on youtube in 2008. 8 year old me and my 11 year old brother. The music, seeing wolverine being in it and so on. And the ending with venom having multiple heads. And this was realistic back then. I really liked it.
I played the game around the age of 10 and I still swear by that game as the best Spider-Man game I’ve ever played. And I played Spider-Man 2 and 3, the movie version. I’m currently downloading Marvels Spider-Man on steam and that may be the new successor, but I gotta respect that game man. Such a dark story, and seeing the city diseased with the symbiotic infection made the game look apocalyptic. An absolute insanely good game.
I'm surprised no one talks about the ally help option, and how when you're in dark mode, all the villains come for your help, and the best of them all is you get to ride Rhyno whenever you pick him as an ally
THANK YOU!! I'M SOOOO TIRED OF SEEING PEOPLE HATING THIS GAME JUST BECAUSE THE VOICE OF SPIDEY IS KIND OF ANNOYING!! This was absolutely my favorite Spidey game before PS4!
Web of shadows is honestly still my favorite Spiderman game I know for a fact I put over 600 hours on it lol. I wish we can a get a remastered on this and on other spiderman games
Ya know I must agree on everything here. Web of Shadows was my favorite game he had until 2018 swung in! (Sorry for pun) It captured a great segment of him and I loved almost every bit of it. Not just the focus on the consequences of being Spider-Man but the story and gameplay. I still can’t get enough of slamming around people with the tendrils of Symbiote Spidey and the quick punches and kicks of Classic Spidey. I loved running into marvel heroes I knew and it actually introduced me to a few villains I never knew (Pre-2010 before I dove into everything Spider-Man has) I wish the sequel came along but I was happy with Spider-Man’s future anyway. I also like to think of this game as a pseudo sequel to Spider-Man 3 the game. With all the references and way everyone feels about that Black suit, it makes me think about how everyone knew what he did more aggressively and ruthlessly in that adventure! He throws kingpin out of a tower window in that game! Just a neat little thing I always thought about It’s only competition in the favorite spots we’re Spider-Man 3 (360) and Shattered dimensions. Not to bash SM2 or Ultimate Spider-Man but those two adventures were my special cake! Spider-Man 3 was everything I enjoyed about the character and film but better. I still love that game too and think it gets way too much hate. The combos, boss fights, exploration, music, and even the story were so much fun. My highlight was using the Symbiotes rage (fantastic angry yell by Tobey!) Then press RB+B and he’d web multiple enemies and slam them on the ground over and over again like a bag of bricks. So brutal! I severely hope those kind of attacks pop into the new Spider-Man 2 I think it’s just really good with no nostalgia needed as I’ve lost many games to now seeing their flaws. Shattered dimensions needs no explanation but that game was my introduction to so many awesome things I still love. Miguel, Noir, the villains, and more. Still a gem to this day. Anyway, forgive me for the long comment and huge thanks for this great deep dive. Much love
Think he meant to say underlooked since the game is no longer available physically. If I'm wrong, then I assume he meant how Spider Man 2 did the game better and as a result is looked down upon.
The game not having any extra costumes is really criminal. The Wii version does have 6 extra suits and you can change either red or black to be a different version like Spider-Carnage or Iron Spider. But obviously it being the Wii version with motion controls most skipped it. Even though I have major issues with this game, the swinging and combat is next level. And the QTEs are hilarous to fail. Just skip every cutscene and style on those enemies. Shattered Dimensions is my favorite after the ps4 game. That had so much love and reverence for the character, the story was fun and goofy, the voice acting and cinematics are 100x better than WoS, Madame Web and Stan Lee, 4 extra suits per character, and you get so many different versions of classic villains, some even invented just for that game. It was my introduction to the Noir and 2099 version of the character. And getting back 4 men who previously voiced Spidey in past cartoons like Christopher Daniel Barnes (90s Fox Kids Spidey) and Neil Patrick Harris (MTV Spidey) was a genius move. Plus it was the catalyst for the Spiderverse comic and movie. It also having a bunch of Spectacular Spider-Man voices like John DiMaggio as Hammerhead, Steve Blum as Hobgoblin and Josh Keaton (the definitive Spidey) is also a major plus for me.
*Fun fact:* Your choices in this game DOESNT matter in the ending. What matter is your ALLIGMENT in the menu. It increases by which suit you fight with the most besides the choices. And, if you have your alligment all black besides chosing only red suit choices across the story before the Symbiote Vulture boss, you can still get the bad endings. Which color is your "alligment" in the menu tab is what decides the ending, not your choices. Then ONLY choice that matter is if you corrupt Black Cat with Symbiote or not, which decides if in the endings you will have the girls or not. For example: - Choose all Red Suit choices - After Black Cat symbiote, fight a little with the Black Suit until your have the Villains allies back (Alligment bar goes from red to black). - *Peter will destroy the detonator.* You've been lied to.
I don't think that's how it works? Have you experienced this yourself, if so on what version? I'm legitimately curious, as on Xbox 360 I've gotten multiple Red Endings while having Black Alignment. Even with a full Black Alignment bar and Peters Symbiote head by the health bar, Peter would still activate the detonator as long as I made at least 5 Red Choices earlier in the game. If it's different on PC or something, I'd love to know, as it would be a fascinating difference. (Not out of the question though, there are some things that are different on PC that I do know of, like some of the dialogue is altered at a few points)
@@DigitalArctic Actually I did played on xbox 360 yeah... weird. Though it is a old version of 360 that I cant get to update, does it matter in anything? I dont think the game have different versions
@@wander7812 That might actually be the reason. My Xbox 360 is pretty old, and its supply of games was pretty limited, it was connected to the net and received updates regularly though. It's copy of Web of Shadows is the same as it was 10 years ago, but if the game ever got any updates, my 360 would have downloaded them. Hm, I also had the PS3 Version back in 2008, and I remember there being a glitch where you could switch suits during Quick Time Events in between Button prompts. I sold the PS3 version early on, but I've never been able to replicate that in the 360 version. Maybe it was patched out? (If that's the case and it wasn't a PS3 exclusive issue, maybe you can still do it in your version as a test?)
@@DigitalArctic Bro switching suits during cutscenes looks dope. I wish I could get to see the suit ive been using the most when doing the multiple choices. For the first red choice it does, and it looks dope, so Idk why not let u keep ur suit during these scenes. Like seeing a Symbiote Spidey going lawful good or neutral good would be dope to some cutscenes.
I got the cannon ending for a legit reason, I played through majority of the game red suit but when the Black Cat boss fight happened I legit thought she was going to die unless I chose the black suit option. So that decision locked out MJ but I still got the "good" ending.
I saw a comment from someone I’m gonna say here as best as I can remember. In WOS, at the start of the game you use black suit for ground combat and the red suit for air combat. Then as you upgrade the suits, the black suit gets better and better then eventually outmatches the red suit so you use it all the time. Then when you have to make a decision to get rid of it or stay with it, it is hard because you become attached to it just like Peter has
I remember playing this game over and over as a kid trying to see how many endings there are. I loved every second of this game, my chidlhood. So underrated. Wish the Mechanic to switch suit like this is on other Spider-Man games
I think there's actually one more subending to the canon ending avaliable. During the fight with Venom with the red suit, you could pick the classic spidey path at the end of it or the black path, acquiring the black suit again after the Tinkerer's device got rid of the Spider Man's symbiote. So I guess that despite everything, in this ending Peter embraces the power that the black suit gives and keeps it as an ultimate weapon of destruction, just in case.
Does anyone know how to access the voice files in this game? I really like hearing the dialogue during the fights and they really add to what the symbiote is doing too not only peter but the villains as well
That was done in the first Spider-Man game on the PS2. Something like the web strike or the web strike. If I'm recalling correctly. Or it was a powerful kick drawing you near enemies.
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Web of shadows is a marvelous masterpiece that deserves a marvelous remaster!
Considering the game was made on a tight budget in only 16 months i consider it a great game (the combat and web swinging were godlike) the soundtrack is pretty memorable, i think its under rated.
This game is buggy as all hell. The writing is atrocious.
Venom (Eddie Brock) is butchered and it would have made more sense if Carnage (Cleatus Kassady) was the villain but of course Carnage was never going to be as popular as Venom. The choices are kind of black and white. Spideys voice is annoying and he sounds like an edge lord when he's trying to be bad. I'd say this game is the Spiderman 3 of Spiderman games but there's already a Spiderman 3 of Spiderman games, so I'll say this is the xmen last stand of Spiderman video games or better yet the xmen Origins Wolverine of Spiderman videogames. Story beats make no sense. Everyone and I mean everyone is out of character.
And there is a little detail too about how is spidey's red or black choice should go.
When the first fight with wolverine if you play correctly(red) wolverine will say:İf that things will control over you gutting is still a option,got me?
In the beginning of the game Wolverine is saying that line just like black cat says to spidey:This city is going to be ours,you just wait and see.
@@metaloverload7374 but combat good and black cat big boobie baddie ooga booga
Imagine how good a remastered version of this game would be😮💨
It would be the perfect game
Yep it would be a lot better
Just change Spider-Man’s voice, and it would be the perfect remaster
Spiderman-Web of Shadows: Insomniac edition.
God I'd lose my fuckin mind.
legit would be the most perfect spider-man game idc
Something I like about this game is how the power difference between red and black is. The black suit makes you feel powerful, and gameplay wise addicting. If Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 goes down the "Peter gets the black suit" route, I hope they use this game as inspiration for it.
THIS! After reading the comment above this with all the canon choices, he mentions that dialogue can be affected by your open world gameplay. And I thought to myself, “but the black suit feels better to play with”. You sir put my conundrum into words
but that works only cause the red suit is also powerful and relatively black suit seems more impressive. In insomniac , the spiderman there just feels restrictive
WELL you got your wish
@@xNephilimxXx i really hope insomniac does way better than WoS because that means we'll have an awesome game.
@@MegasXRLThat’s pretty much guaranteed. It’s insomniac
06:08 I love how if you swing too low to the ground, he still holds onto the web and runs along the ground to keep the momentum going. Def need that and the air fighting in the new Spider-Man game!
and wall fighting
@@deadlyninja112 can't forget that! 💯
"How do I turn back the darkness without losing myself to it?" Hopefully that line is in the sequel. I hope peter uses the symbiote the whole story even vs venom just to show how addictive the suit is to him. Also MJ sees how the symbiote changes him and wants him to get rid of it!
I have been waiting for a game like WOS again for a long time, spidey 2 is gonna be special amd heartbreaking
@@Killer22246 I hope the story is about 40hours or 30 to tell a lengthy storyline about the blacksuit and venom. The symbiote storyline never took it's time in the games. This time they can go all in since they probably can make a longer story and huge improvements to the gameplay and graphics since they aren't being held back by the hardware. Am very happy it's exclusive. If it was on ps4 the swinging speed would have been the same
Who wants to tell him
@Alexis Islas-Gonzalez
Pretty sure he's talking about the Insomniac sequel
@Allucard
Him using the black suit VS Venom makes no sense unless they completely change Venom.
Peter rejecting the suit is the only reason it even hates him and bonds with Eddie.
I remember this game absolutely terrified me as a kid due to the dark tone but I still have lots of very good memories with this game and revisiting this game and beating it was making me remember my earlier days.
Can't wait until Marvel's Spider-Man 2 and see how Venom will be handled.
Dude I was so scared of symbiote wolverine and the final boss as a kid
I had a very recurring nightmare because of this game, where i was Spiderman jumping around Manhattan buildings while i was hunted by Venom. And he would NEVER leave me alone, despite every effort. I couldn't even turn off the console. This game traumatized me 😂
@@pizzacari I guess we can call Web of Shadows the darkest Spider-Man game back then.
I honestly hope is handled infamous style. Choices and some karma-like system. How much are you giving in to the dark self and stuff, you know. Of course, like in infamous, the exchange for abandoning your gooder side, is MORE POWER. Stronger abilities or something, you write it.
I mean i grew up with cod and infamous. Neither pull there punches
I’ll never forget beating all the villains and then beating their symbiotic forms. Such cool character designs.
Glad someone drew so much attention to this ending, as I also feel it's the canon ending for all the same reasons.
I have thought quite a bit about this games story over the years and feel there's enough in game evidence to suggest what other choices in the game are more canon to the overall narrative.
So here's an overly long comment dissecting each choice and the in game evidence that suggests which one is canon.
There are 9 Primary Path Choices before Symbiote Vulture, you must have made 5 Red Suit Choices in order to get the right ending, you can only make 4 Black Suit Choices. Keep in mind when going through the game, that due to the implications of which choices are more canon, it is actually impossible to stay 100% in canon, so sometimes you'll have to make the opposite choice just to ensure you have made enough Red Suit choices, but generally these instances are reconcilable story wise.
With that out of the way, lets begin.
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Gang War Choice - Red Path (Mandatory)
The Red Path sees the gangs make peace and promise to help Spider-man in the future, and during the Symbiote Invasion we see both Harlem Gangs working alongside each other and serving as allies to Spider-man. This makes way more sense if the player had made the Red Suit Choice earlier. There is no real reason to make the Black Suit Choice here.
Black Cat Choice - Black Path (Mandatory)
For the same reasons mentioned in this video
Vulture Choice - Black Path (Optional) (Optional means this is likely Canon, but worth compromising on in favor of other choices)
The Black Path has Spider-man setting Vulture free, telling him that he will now help him or else: "He'll do more than take his wings (next time they fight)" This seems to scare Vulture quite a bit, and helps explain why Vulture is so willing to help Spider-man during the later parts of the game. However the Red Suit Path can also work since Vulture could have been freed by Kingpin and ordered to help Spider-man during the invasion. But I lean towards the Black Path being Canon here, especially since Vulture is free immediately after the boss fight no matter what. Really the only reason to choose the Red Suit choice is if you prefer to save room on your Black Suit Choice Tally for other Choices later in the game. (As otherwise you've already made two Black Suit Choices, and can only make two more after this)
Wolverine Ending - Red Path (Mandatory)
One of Wolverines lines in the Red Path is quoted during the prologue, so it's 100% Canon.
Rykers Island Trip - No Clear Canon Choice
Either Path works, but I'd lean towards the Red Path as you need every Red Suit choice you can get for the Red Suit Ending.
Rhino Choice - In game evidence suggests both, but I lean towards the Red Path
Rhino will be free in the City no matter what you choose, which only really makes sense if you choose the Black Suit Path, as there Spider-man sets Rhino free and tells him that he'll need his help later, while the Red Path has Spider-man lie to Rhino in order to trick him into staying behind. I'd say the Black Path is the canon choice, however that locks you into the Black Suit Narration at Stark Tower, which serves to further setup Spider-mans grudge against Venom in the Black Suit Endings. (Definitely non-canon to our canon story route) The Red Suit Narration at Stark Tower is more in line with Peters outlook on the City in the Canon story, and is very similar to his dialogue from the Trailers, so this is definitely the canon narration, but you can only hear it by making the Red Suit Choice with Rhino.
In the end this is a minor choice and worth compromising for your Red Suit Choice Tally, as the Red Suit narration is more important to the canon story than the inconsistency of Rhino being free and helping Spider-man despite Spider-man not freeing him.
Symbiote Electro Choice - Black Path (Optional)
Either Path works story wise, but I lean towards the Black Path as it makes more in game sense. (Electro is available as an ally after this mission regardless of your choice, it makes more sense if you save him and recruit him in the Black Path.)
Symbiote Wolverine Choice - Black Path (*Almost* Mandatory)
MJ and Luke's dialogue in the prologue implies that Peter was under the Symbiotes influence last time they met, which could only have been in the Park before the Convoy Mission. Peter is only under the Symbiotes influence in that cutscene if he chose the Black Path after defeating Symbiote Wolverine. I strongly believe that version of the cutscene is Canon, however in the Red Path, the outcome of the Symbiote Wolverine battle and the exchange between Spider-man and Wolverine feels more genuine and relevant to the canon story. (But then it makes the following cutscene with MJ and Luke inconsistent with the implications from the Prologue, which I feel is more important.)
Another matter that complicates this is that Wolverine will appear on the helicarrier to help Spider-man in the Red Path, a bit weird if you made the Black Suit Choice, but I don't think it's a story breaking detail.
Symbiote Black Cat - Black Path (Mandatory)
You must make this choice to get the Canon Ending.
Extra
Venom Choice - Red Path (Mandatory)
Honestly it just makes more sense for Spider-man to try and save Venom, the sudden heel turn otherwise is totally out of the blue in this story.
Misc
Kingpin has a line in the Prologue that's only stated during one of his Optional Conversations, so you should engage in all Optional Conversations for full canonicity.
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If you read all of that I applaud you, here's some more food for thought.
Your current in game Suit alignment directly affects dialogue in several instances. Your in game suit alignment is easily manipulated by doing Open World events, so you can manipulate mission dialogue to your hearts content without consequences, but I do recommend ensuring you have Red Suit Alignment for all Narration in the game as it fits the Red Path best.
Here's all moments affected by Suit Alignment that I recall
Luke Cage's First Web Strike Training Session
First meeting with Moon Knight (Actually dependent on which suit you're wearing, not your suit alignment)
Black Cat Battle
Vulture Battle
First Encounter with Hidden Symbiotes at Kingpin Rooftop Hideout
Spider-man's Narration before going to Hell's Kitchen
First Encounter with Wolverine
Possibly the Second Venom Encounter
Pre First Shield Quarantine Site Narration
Post Shield Quarantine Site\Post Electro Boss Narration
Possibly Symbiote Electro-ling chase in Central Park leading up to Symbiote Electro boss
Spider-mans first meeting with Luke Cage and MJ in the Park before going to the Church
Spider-man's Narration upon arriving at the Church
Spider-man's dialogue at the start of the Symbiote Black Cat Choice Cutscene
Symbiote Vulture Battle
Underrated comment. I love this idea for being the canon timeline so it matches up with the prologue and even some similar stuff from the trailers. It makes it all feel so much more impactful hearing it all play out in one playthrough
Actually, the choices doesn't matter, that was disproved.
@@Xiter2024 You're preaching to the choir on this one.
@@DigitalArctic go to the recent comments and read the comment of 3 months ago.
@@Xiter2024 I don't think that it's true, I tried that on a real Xbox 360 on one of my playthroughs and I still got the Red ending. Maybe it's different on other versions.
Funnily enough, since the last choice (saving or killing Venom) happens after the symbiote-killing bomb goes off, Peter will theoretically still have the black suit in both of the good endings if you choose to kill Venom in the end.
no, in Red Ending, but Kill Venom choice Peter is just an ass
We can all agree that was an oversight on the developers' part. It should have been that the choice was made automatically depending on the route you took.
I can't help but find a little hilarity in the "no more black suit" promise thing cuz while the story makes it look as though he spent that bit not using it until the symbiote dogpile, the actual gameplay just lets you keep the ability to use it during the convoy segment with no consequence, especially since at that point the black suit's combo is an absolute powerhouse.
Just in-game convention
@@volandblack666 convention?
And that what's makes the games so good because the black suit is awesome and as said in the video is so I could drug you just can't stop
@@ddsjgvk So you could drug me!?!? Get away! Get away!
@@MGrey-qb5xzprobably meant convenience
This is the game I've actually beaten the most amount of times out of everything else I've ever played. It's just so fun. Hopefully Marvel's Spider-Man 2's combat reaches this same level.
I really really loved this game. The traversal and the story are great in my opinion. I especially love how you can chose from dark and light. But this games combat was next level. So in depth and so detailed, and if you actually took time to understand it, you’d realize it’s not a button mash but actually quite complex and incredibly fun. The web strike is hands down my favourite combat mechanic in any game I’ve ever played
honestly especially the arial combat with the venom vultures
that game combat is better than insomniac. You have wall combat, air combat and ground combat. Lots of cool mechanics
Y’know I never truly understood that second red suit ending until now. That was a perfect explanation.
One thing no one mentions is that the final choice of the game is on the helicarrier, after he lost the suit if he follows that path. He somehow regains it, or the devs forgot about it and didn't bother changing it
He doesn’t regain it, the game starts you before the final mission
@@coolio_collin1727 yeah bro I meant on the carrier after u fight the huge multiheaded venom where u decide if you are going to kill regular venom
@@pg5650 i dont think they forgot but its can make sense if you go all bad. For the good ending i just say he took a part of the symbiote again and then killed him lol
@@PhoenixKing567 he’s a thief and a menace!
Absolutely loved this game when I was younger. Sure the story was darker but it was just so interesting all the choices and outcomes. Though one small thing I do wish is that Peter could have had more personal story with the black suit. That line of "I think its changed. This time is different" could have meant perhaps the small bit of symbiote that left Venom wanted another chance. Perhaps it could have lead to yes the symbiote either corrupting him OR Peter slowly teaches the symbiote what it means to be good and a hero. Sure the symbiote could still have its rougher moves but I've always wanted something to dabble in the idea of "What if the black suit turned good".
Venom the movie
This, this is what I want out of Spider man 2, Peter being both a teacher to miles and to the symbiote.
@@robbyninja4615That would be dope but peter and the symbiote aren't meant for each other. It'll have to find Eddie or Flash most likely for that
the fact that people only know web of shadows because of the start of him walking around all the chaos on the roof 😭
They could've had a sequel where no matter the ending, a piece of the venom symbiote survived and bred to make Carnage the next antag and spider carnage as the new black suit.
Or you could start the game off as ruling the city with Black cat, and then Carnage threatens your rule. No way would all symbiote follow their "king."
God damnit, I hate how Activision handles their devs.
There was a sequel being developed around the time of the games release but was later canceled
Right...Prototype also could have gotten more games
Activision lost the license due to their own incompetence. They told Beenox to pump out Spiderman like a sweat shop and the resr is history but now that Microsoft bought Activision Blizzard there's some hope
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There was a prequel game in development that would’ve had Carnage as the main villain and apparently would’ve explained why he wasn’t in Web of Shadows.
Still has the best webswinging and combat in any of the Spider-Man games ever the web strike is so great
Dont know about the best web swinging
but the combact is coool
@@ayananis4862 i personally love web signing in the game, the city feels humongous and the swinging speed is honestly really good and makes you feel like you're flying
@@ricardosalgado2490 Yeah I just came back from playing that one heck of a game all in all if i stay a lil down level i feel very fast while to be honest i kinda crave more speed when i am at higher levels
@@ayananis4862 so idk what console you have but I have a PS3 and I get what you mean but you can get some good speed going up high in the air that's why I love it so much I'll be like 50 feet above the buildings lol so that's why it feels like I'm flying so I just hold R2 to web swing while pointing up with the joy stick and hold x and that's how you go high and fast
@@ricardosalgado2490 PS3?
I played the absolute SHIT out of this game as a kid, the dark tone disturbed me a lot, it 100% helped shape my tastes in games I would play in the future and my preference for dark themes and tones in media as a whole
Web of shadows is one of the most darkest and best gameplay spidey game in all of spidey games. Marvel spiderman 2 should get inspirations from it from webswinging and symbiote gameplay. Hopefully we change between the classic and the blacksuit with the press of a button.
Absolutely agree. I've always liked this ending the best. Some details hinted at certain choices, such as Cat's voice acting in one dialogue. True, there are minor flaws in some plot points, characters and behavior of characters, such as Mary Jane. Even if being kind is ideal, she will still have a negative attitude towards Peter. Perhaps the developers have driven themselves into a trap with a prologue, but here the reason is different. Activision pushed developers too hard. For this project to come out, I had to involve Trearch in the development, although, to be honest, I think that they are the real developers of this game. If you dive into the development of the Raimi 3 game, you can find a debug build for consoles with developments for Wos, as well as some canceled ideas for this game that were later implemented in Web of Shadows. Why did I even say that. If the publisher had given a reasonable timeline to develop such a concept masterpiece, we could have seen a really powerful, detailed, multi-choice Spider-Man story (from what I've heard, the game could have had more endings).
I will favor the choice of rescuing the Cat towards the end of the game. In my opinion, this is the most difficult choice of the game, as it can be perceived in different ways. Personally, I have always found red to be a poor choice. Spider-Man hurt Felicia so badly under the symbiote that he died, Kat's body was injured and possibly with broken bones inside. She is on the verge of death. Hardly S.H.I.E.L.D. medicine will save her. Therefore, the dark choice always seemed to me kind and right. If he had to, Peter would give his entire symbiote to save the girl. Everyone always forgets that if not as a love interest, then as a friend, Felicia is important to Peter. Because of these factors, Mary Jane in this scene is usually seen as a real bad character.
This is a universe where people die and frequently come back to life. SHIELD also has the best medical tech on earth, I can completely see them saving her life.
Loved swinging around the infected NYC... probably the closest thing to a marvel zombies game we'll get
I have to many memories with this game
It's such an underrated game , a true masterpiece.
Only thing i hate that you have to be full evil to be with Black Cat and kill Venom it would been awesome you save Venom he either he will become your slave or friend to lead your Symbiote army with Black Cat Venom is not bad guy he just thinks what he does is right he doesn't know right from wrong
Its funny how even if you do fully good throughout the whole game you can still switch to the black suit and kill venom at the end 😂
i thought venom gonna be dead no matter what u chose
@@baige76 well yeah he dies in both choices. It's just you choosing whether to be a savage and kill him urself or have Eddie just off himself instead lol
Evan man.. that monoluge/speech you gave at the end about fighting for another day almost me tear up. Really great video essay on this game. This is my favorite Spider-man game and it's nice to see the attention that it still gets all these years later.
Good air combat, wall combat, ground combat, two suits, totally different powers and styles, ethics, morals, good vs evil, real choices given to the players, this game was an ideal Spiderman 🎯🎮 I wish they would make a continuation of it.
We definitely need to push for a remastered version of this game and I know a few people enjoyed this game along with shattered dimensions! See if people actually requested it would happen but since nobody is willing to bother it doesn’t happen
I really wish we got some more information regarding Peter and Felicia’s relationship after the canonical ending. Is Felicia still fully healed? Did she ever have any actual desire to rule over the symbiotes? How does she feel knowing Peter only chose to “be with her” because of the symbiote’s influence on his mind?
couple of theories i read was....in the good path felicia does get healed up but loses interest in good peter....she did not have desire to rule over symbiotes since she fought against it but peters symbiote took over her so it changed her mind a little......lastly that point is incorrect since peter is in control of the symbiote and not the other way around,peter truly loved her but the only way to save her was to give her the symbiote which once again changed her whole perspective
Black Cat when healed by Peter is controlled by the symbiote Peter gives her. She really doesn’t have a choice
You JUST figured out the only ending ... what countless either never achieved or just couldn't understand. You are smart and i thought i only understood it to be the actual ending. Especially, knowing and following the COMiCS to heart as a child.
Met the voice of Spider-Man at Stocktoncon a few weeks ago and it was pretty cool. This game would benefit from a remaster and it would be so much fun with or without modern graphics
I agree it is the second best Spider-Man game to ever be created it’s just so good and the open world feels bigger weirdly but it makes the web slinging work
I’ve replayed it like 10 times over the years just doing different endings. Gotta admit it’s REALLY difficult not to pick Black Cat over Mary Jane for some reason to me
I remember when I first got this game at GameStop when I was smaller I saw Spider-Man, Wolverine and Venom on the box I instantly love the game. This game was my first really dark Spider-Man story I loved it, everything about how city go from new York to symbiote apocalypse is amazing you see how situation goes bad to worse. When I was little I usually never replay games when there single player because I beat them and that, that. But Web of shadows was my first game ever I replay multiple times I always bring this game ever where I can play it at. Something always made me to come back to it. I'm so happy that people still talking about how good game really is. How dire the situation is. This game is my first introduction to Moon knight character what he about. I was already reading some comic book then but this game kicked my comic book fan into high gear this made me truly into a comic book fan. Thank for talking about one of my favorite Spider-Man games. Keep up the good work
9:12 That shut up In the black suit was amazing
Honestly such an in depth powerful game, it’ll always be one of my favourites
Honestly I’ve played this game so many times and i never knew that there was another ending where MJ doesn’t take the final swing with Spider-Man
I would love to see the new spiderman game having a symbiote suit combat like in this game, those symbiote moves where so hot, and to change between red and black suits whenever you want, and those red suit balck suit choices would be sweet to implement as well, this game really deserves a remake !
6:38 that was beautiful Evan 😢
As someone who’s on Xbox so can’t play spider man ps4 web of shadows is still my favourite spider man game playing it on the wii made it so much more memorable
What I realy realy loved on this game was how fast you could swing and you could focus the camera on the enemies and that the whole city turned into the venom stuff and the combos.
I always thought the all good ending was canon. But with your explanation, it makes sense that the semi-good ending is the true one.
Amazing Narration, it was very fun watching this Video. Web of Shadows always remained as my favourite Game because of the different story choices they give you, I hope that in the next Spidey Game we’ll get story and dialogue choices
i'm still playing the game and i'm going all in for the black suit, its powerful, stronger and peter's personailty while donning the suit is dark but badass at the same time, and also i'll say that the villian ending is way better than the good ending because not only you get black cat as your queen, but you get a whole god army of symbiotes at your disposal😃
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Even as a kid when I played this I felt like this was the real ending
I played through this recently and loved it . i figure its going to stay a underated gem because it isnt widely available and somewhat hard to obtain on pc legally. As for gameplay ,combat is better than spider man ps4 in my opinion.
Writers trying not to make peter parkers life hell challenge impossible
for me, this is the best spidey game out of all aside from tasm, wish they would've made a sequel and have it like before the game starts you pick quick choices to decide what path goes down into the game dark or hero from previous game. Good times if childhood ❤
I hope Insomniac brings back this idea of "choosing a side" in their next game, it will be awesome.
Glad they didn't given how the direction they went with and going foward in 3.
The real ending was that spider-man won but we lost on getting a sequel to the game. God I would kill for a sequel. I want spider-man classic to happen so badly but it's simply just a dream.
It's just a distant memory thanks to Activision screwing up Royally. They lost the license they later approached Marvel for remasters but it got cancelled
@@Legion849 either way the studio that made this game is shut down.
Im just happy we got the game we got. If it weren't for Shaba Games getting shutdown and thus Spider-Man Classic's Cancellation, we wouldn't have the masterpiece 2 years after Web of Shadows, Shattered Dimensions.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios I honestly would take web of shadows 2 over shattered dimensions. I love that the Spider-Man voices actors reunited but I didn’t think shattered dimensions wasn’t the best game.
@@locodesert2 That’s why I said Shattered Dimensions is a masterpiece. it’s not the best, but it’s still a masterpiece of near perfection.
At first I was willing to argue that the Ultimate good ending was the canon one, but you have managed to convince me otherwise.
There are actually only two choices in the whole game that effect the ending. The Black Cat fight choice and the final choice. The combination of these two choices determine the ending. Bad for BC, Good for Venom, good ending without Mary Jane. Good for BC Good for Venom, good ending with Mary Jane. Bad BC, Bad Venom, bad ending with BC ruling alongside you. good BC, bad Venom, bad ending where Spider-Man rules the symbiotes alone.
I played the game by doing all the good choices, except for the Venom boss fight (I chose the bad choice), and I still got the first good ending.
Bro no cap but the symbiotes carried this game and made it badass it made everything 10x times better especially when attached to wolverine omfg I was geekin cause I’ve always wanted to see that and don’t get me started when you get to rip him apart with your bare hands 🙌🙌🙌
Sadly this game isn’t Available on ps4 since we are stuck with the “marvels spider-man” and the one with miles sadly we have long forgotten this good game
Evan this legit might be your best edited and reviewed video u said stuff I never understood about this game when I was kid great video
Honestly MJ was making Spidey job way harder than it had to be. Maybe she would be cool if Pete was using the Black Suit on normal criminals and villains but New York is literally under siege by Venom and his Spawn. We need to level the playing field and it's just unfortunate if we have to get a bit aggressive 😒😒😒😒😒
I still remember when the trailer for the game came out. My brother and I watched it on youtube in 2008. 8 year old me and my 11 year old brother. The music, seeing wolverine being in it and so on. And the ending with venom having multiple heads. And this was realistic back then. I really liked it.
I played the game around the age of 10 and I still swear by that game as the best Spider-Man game I’ve ever played. And I played Spider-Man 2 and 3, the movie version. I’m currently downloading Marvels Spider-Man on steam and that may be the new successor, but I gotta respect that game man. Such a dark story, and seeing the city diseased with the symbiotic infection made the game look apocalyptic. An absolute insanely good game.
I'm surprised no one talks about the ally help option, and how when you're in dark mode, all the villains come for your help, and the best of them all is you get to ride Rhyno whenever you pick him as an ally
Hope this, Ultimate Spider-Man, Shattered Dimensions, Edge Of Time are remastered someday!
Always wanted. A sequel
This game was fkn dope played it like 6 times
Really good video Evan! you should do a video about the sequel and what it was gonna be like had it not got cancelled.
One of the best Spider-man games ever, Best Gameplay, Best Story, I litteraly don't see a single thing wrong with this game.
One of the BEST games ever you mean right?
Not one of the game ever, cause that's just the Morbius meme.
@@spider-man500 Edited, ty
THANK YOU!! I'M SOOOO TIRED OF SEEING PEOPLE HATING THIS GAME JUST BECAUSE THE VOICE OF SPIDEY IS KIND OF ANNOYING!! This was absolutely my favorite Spidey game before PS4!
Web of shadows is honestly still my favorite Spiderman game I know for a fact I put over 600 hours on it lol. I wish we can a get a remastered on this and on other spiderman games
bro black cat had me bricked as a kid, never could pass up the bad ending every time i replayed it.
Ya know I must agree on everything here. Web of Shadows was my favorite game he had until 2018 swung in! (Sorry for pun)
It captured a great segment of him and I loved almost every bit of it. Not just the focus on the consequences of being Spider-Man but the story and gameplay. I still can’t get enough of slamming around people with the tendrils of Symbiote Spidey and the quick punches and kicks of Classic Spidey. I loved running into marvel heroes I knew and it actually introduced me to a few villains I never knew (Pre-2010 before I dove into everything Spider-Man has)
I wish the sequel came along but I was happy with Spider-Man’s future anyway. I also like to think of this game as a pseudo sequel to Spider-Man 3 the game. With all the references and way everyone feels about that Black suit, it makes me think about how everyone knew what he did more aggressively and ruthlessly in that adventure! He throws kingpin out of a tower window in that game! Just a neat little thing I always thought about
It’s only competition in the favorite spots we’re Spider-Man 3 (360) and Shattered dimensions. Not to bash SM2 or Ultimate Spider-Man but those two adventures were my special cake! Spider-Man 3 was everything I enjoyed about the character and film but better.
I still love that game too and think it gets way too much hate. The combos, boss fights, exploration, music, and even the story were so much fun.
My highlight was using the Symbiotes rage (fantastic angry yell by Tobey!) Then press RB+B and he’d web multiple enemies and slam them on the ground over and over again like a bag of bricks. So brutal! I severely hope those kind of attacks pop into the new Spider-Man 2
I think it’s just really good with no nostalgia needed as I’ve lost many games to now seeing their flaws.
Shattered dimensions needs no explanation but that game was my introduction to so many awesome things I still love. Miguel, Noir, the villains, and more. Still a gem to this day.
Anyway, forgive me for the long comment and huge thanks for this great deep dive. Much love
"Web of Shadows still remains in the public eye as a rather overlooked Spider-Man game."
I'm sorry, what?
Think he meant to say underlooked since the game is no longer available physically. If I'm wrong, then I assume he meant how Spider Man 2 did the game better and as a result is looked down upon.
The game not having any extra costumes is really criminal. The Wii version does have 6 extra suits and you can change either red or black to be a different version like Spider-Carnage or Iron Spider. But obviously it being the Wii version with motion controls most skipped it. Even though I have major issues with this game, the swinging and combat is next level. And the QTEs are hilarous to fail. Just skip every cutscene and style on those enemies.
Shattered Dimensions is my favorite after the ps4 game. That had so much love and reverence for the character, the story was fun and goofy, the voice acting and cinematics are 100x better than WoS, Madame Web and Stan Lee, 4 extra suits per character, and you get so many different versions of classic villains, some even invented just for that game. It was my introduction to the Noir and 2099 version of the character. And getting back 4 men who previously voiced Spidey in past cartoons like Christopher Daniel Barnes (90s Fox Kids Spidey) and Neil Patrick Harris (MTV Spidey) was a genius move. Plus it was the catalyst for the Spiderverse comic and movie. It also having a bunch of Spectacular Spider-Man voices like John DiMaggio as Hammerhead, Steve Blum as Hobgoblin and Josh Keaton (the definitive Spidey) is also a major plus for me.
*Fun fact:* Your choices in this game DOESNT matter in the ending.
What matter is your ALLIGMENT in the menu. It increases by which suit you fight with the most besides the choices.
And, if you have your alligment all black besides chosing only red suit choices across the story before the Symbiote Vulture boss, you can still get the bad endings.
Which color is your "alligment" in the menu tab is what decides the ending, not your choices.
Then ONLY choice that matter is if you corrupt Black Cat with Symbiote or not, which decides if in the endings you will have the girls or not.
For example:
- Choose all Red Suit choices
- After Black Cat symbiote, fight a little with the Black Suit until your have the Villains allies back (Alligment bar goes from red to black).
- *Peter will destroy the detonator.*
You've been lied to.
I don't think that's how it works?
Have you experienced this yourself, if so on what version? I'm legitimately curious, as on Xbox 360 I've gotten multiple Red Endings while having Black Alignment. Even with a full Black Alignment bar and Peters Symbiote head by the health bar, Peter would still activate the detonator as long as I made at least 5 Red Choices earlier in the game.
If it's different on PC or something, I'd love to know, as it would be a fascinating difference. (Not out of the question though, there are some things that are different on PC that I do know of, like some of the dialogue is altered at a few points)
@@DigitalArctic Actually I did played on xbox 360 yeah... weird. Though it is a old version of 360 that I cant get to update, does it matter in anything? I dont think the game have different versions
@@wander7812 That might actually be the reason. My Xbox 360 is pretty old, and its supply of games was pretty limited, it was connected to the net and received updates regularly though. It's copy of Web of Shadows is the same as it was 10 years ago, but if the game ever got any updates, my 360 would have downloaded them.
Hm, I also had the PS3 Version back in 2008, and I remember there being a glitch where you could switch suits during Quick Time Events in between Button prompts. I sold the PS3 version early on, but I've never been able to replicate that in the 360 version. Maybe it was patched out? (If that's the case and it wasn't a PS3 exclusive issue, maybe you can still do it in your version as a test?)
@@DigitalArctic Bro switching suits during cutscenes looks dope. I wish I could get to see the suit ive been using the most when doing the multiple choices. For the first red choice it does, and it looks dope, so Idk why not let u keep ur suit during these scenes.
Like seeing a Symbiote Spidey going lawful good or neutral good would be dope to some cutscenes.
Omg that symbiote wolverine fight was amazing my favorite fight in the game
I got the cannon ending for a legit reason, I played through majority of the game red suit but when the Black Cat boss fight happened I legit thought she was going to die unless I chose the black suit option. So that decision locked out MJ but I still got the "good" ending.
Fuck a remaster, REMAKE IT
I saw a comment from someone I’m gonna say here as best as I can remember.
In WOS, at the start of the game you use black suit for ground combat and the red suit for air combat. Then as you upgrade the suits, the black suit gets better and better then eventually outmatches the red suit so you use it all the time. Then when you have to make a decision to get rid of it or stay with it, it is hard because you become attached to it just like Peter has
I just fully agree with this. This was the ending I got the 1st time I played as a highschooler
I always thought the “Anti-Hero” ending was the “canonical” ending for this, even though I think we all know a sequel to this isn’t gonna happen
Bro just explained why this is his canon event😂I really hate that Spider-Man has to go through so much pain
I loved this game, although now I lost access to my PC, so now I can't play more endings of the game :(
I remember playing this game over and over as a kid trying to see how many endings there are. I loved every second of this game, my chidlhood. So underrated. Wish the Mechanic to switch suit like this is on other Spider-Man games
I think there's actually one more subending to the canon ending avaliable. During the fight with Venom with the red suit, you could pick the classic spidey path at the end of it or the black path, acquiring the black suit again after the Tinkerer's device got rid of the Spider Man's symbiote. So I guess that despite everything, in this ending Peter embraces the power that the black suit gives and keeps it as an ultimate weapon of destruction, just in case.
Does anyone know how to access the voice files in this game? I really like hearing the dialogue during the fights and they really add to what the symbiote is doing too not only peter but the villains as well
Any game that let's me pick black suit peter AND black cat is a win in my book.
If we get anything similar in Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 I'll be stoked.
That black cat ending is hot. Real hot.
This game slaps! Played this in high school! Never unlocked all the endings when I was younger but it’s definitely a fun ride
It has everything any spiderman fan would want in a spidey game. I wish they had more time and money.
thank you for making this i’ve been saying this game is one of the best spider-man games to date it’s my 2nd favorite jus like you 🤝🏾
Choosing black cat is not the canon choice because of dialogue she has with spider-man later in the game, where she acts cold and distant.
just.. ONE MORE TIME
If you pause at 11:15 you can get an old fashioned PS2 model of PS4 Spider-Man.
That was done in the first Spider-Man game on the PS2. Something like the web strike or the web strike. If I'm recalling correctly. Or it was a powerful kick drawing you near enemies.
Really a shame that this universe can not be further explored
Web of shadows is my all time favorite Spider Man game.
Brooo I played the hell out of this game, but NEVER SEEN that alternate red suit ending
The running on the street when trying to Webb swing is so good😩😩😩
Xbox one needs to add this game to compatible list
I just realize that these endings are timeline splits.
Wow, that's something I wouldn't ever think of. Great job!
Hopefully they follow the multiple ending options in Marvel Spider Man 2.
I actually got the canon ending the first time I played the game
Every time i play, i go full black suit, i just like Felicia a lot more, i dont do it for power, i do ot for her
It is no brainer that the downer good ending is the most fitting for the entire game.
I wish the alone Blacksuit was a bit more tame.
I love spiderman web of shadows but the vulturelings creeped me out