Here’s Why Charging an Electric Car Can Suck - And It’s Not The Reason You Think!
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- ( www.TFLcar.com ) Keeping electric cars charged seems like such an easy process: plug the car into power and wait a while. But in reality keeping cars like our Tesla Model X fully charged can actually be quite the challenge. In this video we take a look at the different charging options to learn which is the easiest, the most intuitive and the fastest way to keep your electric vehicle car charged. This applies to all new and used electric vehicles. From the Nissan Leaf, to the Tesla Model 3 to even the Fiat 500e if you are thinking of owning or own one of these full electrics, this video is for you!
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Thanks for confirming my worse fears... I love the idea of EV, but I'm a "pump and go" kind of person. At age 56, and an apartment dweller, I don't need this hassle in my life.
I hear ya'.
I am 78 zero problems with our 2021 Tesla Model Y long range. No hassle for us.
You better not vote for the liberals then.
As EV goes its best fit is for a homeowner with multiple cars. I have a E bike conversion, local traveling needs iimited top speed of 30 mph and range of 15 miles more I added an extra battery pack. No insurance or vehicle registration.
The REAL deal breaker.
6 cars in line waiting for gas(half empty):
5 mins x 5 cars is 25 mins wait in line for 6th car.
6 cars in line waiting for electric charge(half discharged):
30 mins x 5 cars is 150 mins wait for 6th car to finally plug-in!!
THATS 2.5 HOURS SITTING IN LINE FOR A SINGLE WOMAN WITH A 1 yr old baby IN A BAD NEIGHBOHOOD!!
FOR FUN!
30 cars in line during 70s gas shortage.
29 x 5 mins is 149 mins or 2.5 HOURS. FOR GAS.
ELECT CHARGE:
29 x 30 mins charge is 870÷60
= 14.5 HOURS!! FORGET IT!!
I can't imagine sitting at a gas station for even 30 minutes to fill up. 15 minutes is an eternity when you are just trying to fill up a tank. For those reasons I'm out.
This is why we charge overnight at home now if you don't have a garage I would never get a tesla.
add in the value of your wasted time charging your weenimobile,and you might as well bought a gas one. plus you wouldn't apply the dweeb factor to yourself
@@billw8476 I always charge it at home every night so I wake up to a full tank every morning so I see no real issue. It's not like you have to wait there watching it. I completely understand if someone lives in an apartment then yea this car is not for you it would be a great nuisance or if you have no garage to charge it at.
@@jonathantorres4957 You can go to a gas station the night before for just a few minutes and the car will be ready right then and there. What if you had an emergency and had to use the EV car when it has very little charge. Your screwed.
@@psilvakimo my tesla has never reached under 50 percent battery same when I had my gas corolla never went under half so if an emergency comes up I doubt I would have to drive more than 100 miles to fix whatever the emergency is. I do see what you mean though if you drive alot with it you would be 100 percent correct but at that point atleast on my city I can go to a tesla super charger and sit for like 5 mins and get a good charge.
In the last few years (pre-pandemic) my wife and I did two trips of around 5000 miles. I cannot imagine the hassles if we were in an EV.
It wouldn't be worth it, it would be taking you almost as long to charge the car as you would be on your trip, and then hoping nobody kills you while you're waiting for the charge.
With my car, I pull into a station, hook up the fuel supply, about 2 minutes later I am all topped up with 10 gallons and since my
car averages 55 mpg, I can immediately go 550 miles. Normal cost, around $20, or 3.6 cents per mile. At least that was the
case before lil joe took over. Now it's $40 or 7.2 cents per mile. If my battery goes bad, it's approximately $100 to replace,
unlike a Tesla, which is $14,000 to $20,000 to replace.
That's right - Here in Australia you'd be lucky to find 2 stations in a major city let alone regional. The distances people travel are not viable for EV's and they are not popular here.
I'm failing to understand the point of even having a public charging station that would take 20 hrs to recharge your car.
The point is a tax break for the business that put it in. There is some usability for the person who lives/works nearby. And many many plug-in hybrids have electric ranges of 15-50 miles +300 on gas and can fully recharge in 1-5 hours. My bMW i3 will do 120 miles on a 5 hour charge and then just switch to gasoline for as long as I fill the tank so an hour of charge while I have lunch is 25 miles or so that I don't use gas.
Oh and buying an electric car if you can't charge at home or work is silly. A plug-in Hybrid makes more sense.
the average person drives 40 miles a day in the US. After driving all day 15miles a hour can take less than 3 hours to get back to recommended battery level of around 70-80% (to avoid long term battery damage, only charge to 100% right before a long distance trip) if you do this throughout the day as you go places you can basically constantly have a good charge in the car.
@ferkemall OMG yes! That 300 mile range tesla in this video could only make the trip 4 times before needing a recharge. And the hybrids would just use some gas. fked !
It also wasn't stressed in the video that the apartment complex charging station ("for residents only") is closed 5pm to 8am. No overnight charging = no benefit to residents who have the most common jobs to be able to afford an electric car.
@ferkemall you would never use one of these to charge that much in the first place. Just go to a fast or super charger. These aren't meant for full refilling really, its more of a top off your car while you go to this place to do something.
17 miles an hour charge......thats all you have to say to put me off for now
It's quicker to hitchhike.
@@rfjohns4452 shit, you can ride a bike, have ZERO impact on the environment and still get there faster lol
I will stick with gasoline. It’s reliable and I can refill my gas tank in a matter of minutes. Good luck with your electric cars on a family driving vacation
@@rfjohns4452 The car picking you up may run out of power. What an incredibly stupid idea it is for the left to decide for everyone to ditch gasoline cars.
@@stancalavan2721 The self-proclaimed World Masters have decreed that gasoline cars must be gone and only EV putt-putt vehicles remain. At least for the common man. I bet billionaire muscle car lovers will still get to have a supply of gasoline for their car loves.
I'm done with electric cars, I went back to gasoline because of all hassle associated with electric cars and trucks ! No more for me , I've learned my lesson and my " ELECTRIC CAR ANXIETY SYNDROME IS GONE " ... Happy days are here again !!
That whole exercise was simply exhausting to watch. Can't imagine having to rely on it daily. But, for city dwelling Millennials, I'm sure playing on their cell phones and spending all day topping up the tank is a dream come true.
Great video. Provided insight for this non EV owner. Have to say that I will stick to my old school internal combustion engine and under 5 minute refuelling process. No app required.
And once you have their app on your phone, they start filling your mailbox with junk emails which Google counts against your online storage. I haven't taken any pics yet I was forced to buy more storage with no way to eliminate the crap they back up from my phone. I hate this day and age. The tech that's supposed to make your life easier just makes for more aggravation and less privacy.
....and you can always carry a jerrycan in the trunk if you're ever worried that you'll run out of gas. Can't do that with an EV. Imagine having to get towed every time that happens. Flat bed tow trucks aren't that cheap either!
@@joejohnson3441 Or pulling around a trailer with a diesel generator on it. 😂!
So what happens when the price of gasoline reaches $12 per gallon like in Hong Kong for example? I think hybrids such as Toyota Prius, etc., will eventually rule the roost. My wife drives one and frankly seems to take some joy in seeing people in their big old pickups and SUV's freak out at sticker shock with the price of gasoline.. I think I'll just move to where everything is downhill in both directions all the time..kind of like grade school when you had to walk 20 miles to school uphill in both directions.. LOL
Yes sir! Agree 👍
Oh my gosh, I can't imagine traveling long distance: "Well, I could be there in 13 hours, but I'm going to have to stay the night somewhere because I have to charge the car. "
I've meet more then one at the hotel because of that. They don't like talking about their ignorant choice or the added expense of travel.
We have taken many long trips with our 2021 Tesla Model Y with a range of 325 miles. With the Tesla network this takes from 20 to 30 minutes depending how many miles you charge.
@@bobskeway8179 Now tell them how many miles you have to travel out of the way to stay in that network. At least you get to see areas you could careless about seeing. I've met people charging and they were waiting for hours not minutes.
@@bobskeway8179 There is no such as 325 miles on a tesla
Exactly, lol lol lol lol
Glad you highlighted this horrible technology. I would not even get to work on a 1 hour charge. These fools that are promoting these cars NEVER tell you the cost that go with it, the amount of energy that will be needed not only to build these pumps and put them EVERYWHERE, but to install them and run all these electric cords. The cost to maintain these cars and the crazy expensive battery. Then for all your troubles, you get to pay a nice beefed up electric bill and have to wait. Do you imagine you got home after a long drive and plug your car in and you had an emergency and could not leave because your car is not charged? Or like me who takes call at the hospital and I cannot get there because the car is not charged yet? People don't think of things like this until they get in those situations. Which is what the EV makers and the nut job left government want you to not be educated on.
When you say it’s not the reason you think then literally show what I was thinking of recharging an e-car is hillarious.
"Without solar, your electric vehicle is still effectively running off of fossil fuels - it's just the fossil fuels utilized at the power plant and not within your engine"
Yep, so true. EV is another one of thoe lobbyist harrassing the governemt to change deals. Remember lead to unleaded fuel and all the smog control devices. What did it achieve? Lower power output via the smog sgit fitted. All they did was inject fresh air into the exhaust to dilute the exhaust the exhaust gases. Lower power, high gas mileage, same emissions if not more but the way it was measured it was less because of the freah air dilution. The they cat converters. Don't work so well when they're cold. When hot they do the job and then continue to keep going. A byproduct is H2S ( Hydrogen sulphide) a deadly gas. Over 150PPM and you can no longer smell it because it affects the nostrils. Worse than CO and CN.
This is really a COAL POWERED car! Ha! Ha!
Agreed but it is more efficient to create power at a power plant and use it in your ev car that a combustion engine is. Also we are working towards more greener sources of energy
Well, there are many nuclear power plants operated in the US right now, so you may be just as likely to be getting your power that way.
As for efficiency, I understand half of the power generated at an electric power plant is lost while "pushing" the power out through the lines. So, there is still an efficiency issue to deal with.
Exactly and coal
An apartment complex that closes the charger when people get off work lol
@indoctus41 I was just referring to a place in the video for charging. Where the charger is set to disable itself around the time people start getting home from work
@indoctus41 who knows. Some of these independent ev charger company’s are strange.
@indoctus41 Tesla was installing a supercharger here in 2017. Someone stole the trailer with the wire reels on it. And since the date keeps getting extended for us to get it. Never have broken ground since 2017.
Only one relatively slow charger won't make much of a difference for an entire apartment complex...
I think it limited him because he didn't live there. It probably allows only residents during times that most people are at home instead of at work.
What tickles me most ELMO - is that none of these "charging points" allows someone without a "smart phone" - to connect with them, so not only do you need to have the RIGHT APP on that phone, it needs to be available to use, and NOT lost last night in that disco - or taken by one of the kids or .. ?
Well Goible - now what - you have no phone (or a phone with it's own flat battery) no CREDIT on that phone, and no power in the car - Oh and as it's an outside recharge station, it just happens to be pissing down (torrential rain) in the midst of a thunder storm.
Naive question - When you attach the plug to the car, does it 'latch on' or could someone else come along and remove it from your car and plug it into theirs? Also, if the price of copper were very high these charging stations look like 'gold mines' for copper thieves...
I've had that thought too. I don't have an EV and have not examined a charging station up close, but it doesn't appear that there is any kind of lock, and certainly not with that adapter. Ideally the charging station would recognize a disconnection and not allow continued charging after a reconnection without confirmation from your phone. I would hope the systems provide such security, but I don't know if they do. Assuming they do, that doesn't stop someone from maliciously coming along and disconnecting your vehicle. Or if someone disconnects your vehicle, can they reset with their account to charge their vehicle? In that scenario, at least you're not paying for their charging, but your vehicle isn't getting charged. I suppose another possibility is that the phone app still can communicate with the charging station such that you would be alerted if your vehicle's charging was interrupted.
Yes, in most vehicles the lock button for the doors also locks the charging cable into the car
Just what I’ve always wanted, yet another device I have to remember to keep charged. This one even has the advantage of needing a long cable snaking out of the house to the driveway.
My spouse has difficulty finding the gas tank,I can’t imagine watching the charge level on my car all day long
Yeah, and you can't charge them IN the garage, lest they catch on fire and burn down the house.
If you're going to run a long line out to your car make sure the cable is of sufficient thickness (gauge) to handle the load..Kind of like trying to run your dryer using a lamp cord..It'll fry the lamp cord and your dryer. Another issue will really thick cord is it's heavy. Ten gauge wire is rather heavy even without the plastic insulation so a 40 foot cord? You might need another vehicle just to move the damned thing around your driveway..
@@martinoamello3017 A “50” amp (40 amp) EVSE (the charging set that came with your car) requires #6 gauge cable, not #10. #10 is for a maximum of 24 amps.
#6 gauge will have a #10 ground wire. #10 gauge will have a #10 or #12 ground wire.
An ordinary “heavy duty” extension cord is rated 13 amps, just enough for a 120 volt EVSE (12 amps).
@@dapperdingo An ICE has NEVER caught fire in a garage! /s
Imagine traveling across the country every 200 miles stopping for many hours waiting for a charge. I do not think so.
and that is after you searched the net for a charging station, go out of the way of your travel to find it, and hope no one is using it, otherweise it is a long wait.
@@yewkiamakuahui2296 Right you are. I once had a special card to get gas at commercial refueling. It was a huge pain in the ass when traveling. Would have to travel off the main roads 5, 10, 15, 20 miles out of my way just to get gas. All to save 3 cents per gallon.
This is when you use level three charging, it will get the car charged up in 30 minutes or so which works perfectly for restaurants or bathroom breaks where you also want to stretch your legs.
@@mattwolf7698 I do not think so.
@@mikewhite9818 You probably has not drove a Tesla for a road trip. I recently did and it totally changed my perspective about it. Matt Wolf is exactly right in his comments. Tesla, only Tesla thought about everything. The other EV makers rely on shared / public charging stations, good luck, they will not make it in long run
After seeing the extreme hassle of owning an EV from this video, the only time I will even consider an EV is when all gas powered vehicles are discontinued.
Can you imagine how many of these stations you would need if all petrol vehicles were replaced with EVs? The rate of charging would require at least 10 times the number of gas stations currently available.
How is our present electric grid going to handle this?
Not to mention if they ever got everyone to get electirc cars, the price to charge would 100x
@@trxntroll843 Exactly, and how would this country generate all the electricity? Turn Nevada into one giant solar panel??
The grid couldn't handle that much load
The bureaucracy knows the numbers and they're still pushing the electric conversion forward. I honestly think it's by design. Lock people into no travel and local areas only to reduce the human footprint on the planet.
2:43 the charger quits working when people start getting home from work and turns back on at 8am when the people leave!
If you are still young enough that your time and mental bandwidth are not oversubscribed, this can be an amusement. If you are busy, with family, work, church & community demands, sitting at a charger seems a time sink.
So people plug in their electric car . Get a ride to the mall with a friend. Car gets fully charged and sets their for another 3 hrs plugged in while other people are waiting for that person to get back. Awesome.
Let me tell you if you don’t charge at home.. this is a nightmare ☠️ my worst experience was a 4 hour wait time to charge 💀
You can sit in the car and run the ac or heater and listen to music while charging right?
@@joepasco1420 yes and then you have to charge 8 hours because the the ac , heater uses energy to run.
Hands down the best video I have ever seen on the perils of charging an electric vehicle. Convenient if you live in a single family home with a garage and never travel more than 50 miles from home. However, let's say you want to drive from Dallas to Philadelphia, approximately 1500 miles. With a gas powered vehicle, you would need to refuel about 4 times at less than 10 minutes each, or 40 minutes of fueling time. In an electric vehilcle, without access to a supercharger, you would need to recharge at least 5 times at 20 hours for each charge. So 100 hours [a little over 4 days] of charging time to support 24 hours [1 day] of driving time. An unimaginable burden and not very feasible.
What happens if you forget to charge your battery and run out of power out in the sticks somewhere. You can’t thumb a ride to the nearest power station and get a “gallon” of power!
@@craiglaw7578 - tow truck using ICE engine will come get you
@@williamhaynes7089 LoL, well that's how they get delivered to thier dealerships to. Least we are saving the planet 🤪
@@craiglaw7578
Correct and funny!
Thats the real limitation. In that case it is best to rent a car for any out of town long distance traveling.
the power being supplied to these charging station is from an electric grid. I think a lot of people don't understand this and think it comes from magic.
Who thinks that?
Which still burns coal. So saving the environment the are not. Now just burn more coal at the source to make up for the car emissions. What a joke.
@@silo3com anyone who thinks electric cars are eco friendly. They're far from eco friendly. That electricity comes from either coal, or nuclear.
@@Normal1855 ... Or utility solar, residential solar, wind, geothermal, or some other large scale optimized power plant. It's not the type of generation that is at issue. It's clear that there is a reduction of pollutants.
The true issue is consumerism. Disposing a functioning petrofuel vehicle in order to purchase an electric vehicle nullifies the eco benefits.
And then there's the issues associated with the disposal of large, toxic battery banks and the required replacement interval frequency.
They write on links how much cheaper it can be to charge a electric car . But when your paying over 10,000 or more dollars for a electric car .You save nothing until that 10,000 dollars has been pain off first . Its like a up front cost on solar panels .You buy all the panels plus installation.Which ends up being at least 20,000 dollars . When you were paying maybe 100 dollars a month for electricity off the grid .You save nothing .Your already in debt to start . Electric cars are more trouble then they are worth . People with a combustion engine car . Can leave their home . Go on any long trip in any direction they want . Not going to be able to do that with any electric car . Car breaks down .Just have it towed to a garage in a nearby town and have it repaired .Buy a electric car .Good luck finding a place that is close to have it fixed .
Let’s see. Working cellphone, check. No power outage, check. Wifi operating, check. Lots of time to kill, check. Charger not already occupied, check. Now imagine this during some disaster scenario.
What if everyone had one of these cars, can you imagine the wait time involved?
I know uh. Wouldn't be very practical, although I do like the idea of E-cars.
....they'd be waiting forever if there was a major blackout due to the grid getting fried after being overloaded. You can add EV grid overloads to the list of cataclysms along with EMPs (electromagnetic pulses) and CMEs (solar coronal mass ejections). Life on Earth as we know it would end for sure! lol
@@joejohnson3441 If the worst comes to pass someone will make a fortune breeding horses. The next fortune will be scooping up all the horse shit and exporting it..
The wait times would be worse than the 1970’s at the fuel pumps!
It's only really a problem for people that live in apartments. If you have a house, getting a 240 charger is easy, and you never really need a chargepoint.
THANKS for this, you have just confirmed most of my fears with electric cars. This is NOT a realistic option to petrol. This is a joke.
If you think it takes 30 minutes to charge imagine just 5 people wanting to charge theirs at the same time, how long do you think you’ll be waiting?
@@joesedlacek7552 If my math is correct....that would take 2.5 hours. :)
Who wants to wait 10 or 20 hours to charge your car when it takes a few minutes to fill your tank with gas
@@jamesbishop4701 If you think 20 minutes is long just remember if your not there first how long will you have to wait for the other person to finish charging their car?
We live in the year 2022. The video is from 2019. Ger informed, a lot has changed and the video seems like from another time. I wait for the moment the puts in a cassette tape 😲
We're still decades away from quick and easy, no thanks
“…but the reality is most people don’t have high voltage power in their garage.“
I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Every garage that’s part of a home that I’ve ever been in has 240 V power. If the house has an electric range, or an electric hot water heater, or an electric clothes dryer, then it has 240 V power. What are you even talking about?
You know this video has really made me reconsider electric for now. Even a fast charger for traveling is not fast enough for my liking. I don't plan to spend hours charging a car in my retirement. I will be long gone before electric cars are the only option. Maybe in another life time but not this one.
I agree whole heartedly. Electric vehicles are now only at the tip-off the iceberg. At my age, I probably won't be around long enough to pass that point.
Imagine charging up a SEMI
@@Juliet475 As a retired truck driver, I must say the only time you could do a full charge would be during sleeper berth time. And what an outlay of cash by someone to have enough plugins for everyone down for their sleep time. I thought it was going to be tough having enough units to charge trucks of drivers on their thirty minute break. Plus we will need a rewrite of hours of duty time and exempt charging time from being assessed as on duty time as fueling a diesel truck currently is. Otherwise charging will eliminate at least half a driver's on duty time each day. A switch to electric is surely going to cause changes in the transportation world. But it should not be too drastic of a switch over. Most of the early orders for electric trucks are companies doing local deliveries or dedicated runs to where the trucks will be able to charge at company facilities. By the time the technology will be ready for OTR (over the road/long distance) trucks, more will be known about the logistics needed.
Unless you do a lot of traveling, that is like the tail wagging the dog. A lot of people make purchases based on how they intend to use something 2% of the time.
It can be solved by have an ICE second car, or a rental.
@@ronfullerton3162 We need people with e facts to speak up via TV NEWS MEDIA..
Wow, an honest EV owner. You are a rare individual, and I thank you for your honesty. From all the hype that's being shoved down our throats, I had the impression that an EV could be completely charged in about an hour. After watching your video, I am absolutely sold!!! No way in hell would I ever own an EV. Period!
My daughter lives 9.5 hours away, or 1 gas stop. In an EV, it would take me 2 days to get to her house. My son lives 32 hours away. I forget how many gas stops it took last time. Should be about 4-6 based on my fuel tank size and MPG range per tank. It takes me 2 days of 16-hour driving to get there, with one overnight in a motel. The only calculating I had to do for the entire trip was how to plan so I could avoid spending even a single penny in the communist state of Illinois. Driving an EV would conservatively take me more than a week each direction. No thanks! I'll happily drive my F150 from now on. At least I know that if (when) the government disrupts the internet, I can still pay for gas with cash.
How could anyone prefer charging at 15MPH, when they *could* be driving at 80MPH? (hey, I live out west, we can go that fast)
With DC fast charging you can get from 10% to 80% in about 15 minutes with most new EVs. Enough time for a bathroom break and picking up some snacks. It's not nearly as bad as it was when this video came out.
My extended family lives 10hrs away - 1 gas stop in our ICE car, but we never do that. We always take a meal break and a couple of short rest breaks. A couple of months ago we did the journey in our new Kona 64kWh EV. 1 x 40 minute DC fast charge over lunch and 2 x 20 minute DC fast charges over coffee/bio breaks were more than adequate.
Tesla does it own thing here in Australia. For the rest of us, apart from some legacy ChaDemo vehicles, only one plug is used here, CCS, so no adapter BS. Also, the chargers I used accepted both RFIDs and standard credit card, so none of the stuff about multiple apps and cards applied. It was an easy and enjoyable trip that proved that EVs are the future.
Not all is rosy, however. We are behind the rest of 1st world nations in adopting EVs but there has been a big take-up recently. The issue will be that the charging network will be inadequate leading to long wait times on road trips. That will resolve itself in time with our new, forward thinking government that replaced the fossil-oriented dinosaurs we have been living with for the last 10 years.
There is no reason going to your daughter's house in an EV would take 2 days. Sounds like the trip is ~500 miles. A Tesla with 300 miles of range and would need one stop halfway, for about an hour, or two 20 minute stops (it's quicker to do 2 partial charges, because charging slows a lot when the battery is getting above 80% full.) Your 9.5 hour trip would probably take 10 hours in a Tesla. No need for an overnight stop.
Watch how fast the cost of charging will go up. It will go up when enough people has purchased an electric car, not before.
You know, despite its extreme specialty.... nuclear power is more portable than elecctricity. For reactors of the same design, you can take a fuel cell from one and install in the other. So this is a problem - a really big [and expensive] one. When your electric vehicle drains down, two choices: have it towed to where it can be charged, or pay some mobile rescue service to come to you and charge that battery. If anyone hated Los Angeles rush hour before, just wait until 80% of vehicles are electric.
The different prices from different charging points is that each electricity has different exclusive additives and detergents in it.
Keeps your batteries clean!
LOL
Use top tier electric only for best mileage 😂
Premium electricity for higher performance
Also the more premium ones refill your Blinker Fluid over the Plug :D
What a sheer madness! Thank you for convincing me that EV route is not an option for my lifestyle. I will stick with diesel and 30 mpgs… Greater outdoors are calling!
Buy a Tesla and use their massive supercharger network. Takes me 5 to 15 minutes to charge. Mostly it takes 30 seconds to charge, 15 seconds to plug in when I get home, 15 seconds to unplug when I leave. Same as a cellphone.
The only time I've used slow charges like that are when they are free ie destination chargers, most public chargers etc. Last time I gained over 80+ miles free while eating at a restaurant.
If I had to deal with the BS charging in the video I would never have bought my Tesla model Y.
The best part I could charge at any of those slow charges or even plug into any 120 or 240v outlet. North America is electrified, who knew! 🤣 Although I've never needed to use anything but the Tesla network on long road trips across the country and the car is charged in the time it takes to pee and get a coffee.
I suppose if you had a syphon hose you could fill your car anywhere too. LOL 😆
@@SmokinPaul 5 to 15 minutes to charge from what level to what level?
@@percyfaith11 form 10% to 60 to 70%. You don't fill up a battery like you do a gas tank. The charge is very fast up to 60% and slows down as it's topped off because the various series cells need to be balance charged. A Tesla tells you where to charge, how many charging stalls are available, how many ch to charge etc. On a long trip you make one or two extra stops. Makes the trip easy peasy, no sore butt. 🙂
If I'm going on a long trip I set the charge to 90 to 95% the night before to get a bit more range on the first leg.
I went from Milwaukee to AZ, up to Utah and back. I used FSD which made driving feel like I rode the bus. All Tesla's come with Autopilot which drives straight but doesn't navigate or take your exit. Instead of staring at the white line you can look around and be more aware of the cars and situations around you.
Try a test drive and even rent a Tesla for a few days. It's something that once experienced you'll fall in love with.
The REAL deal breaker.
6 cars in line waiting for gas(half empty):
5 mins x 5 cars is 25 mins wait in line for 6th car.
6 cars in line waiting for electric charge(half discharged):
30 mins x 5 cars is 150 mins wait for 6th car to finally plug-in!!
THATS 2.5 HOURS SITTING IN LINE FOR A SINGLE WOMAN WITH A 1 yr old baby IN A BAD NEIGHBOHOOD!!
FOR FUN!
30 cars in line during 70s gas shortage.
29 x 5 mins is 149 mins or 2.5 HOURS. FOR GAS.
ELECT CHARGE:
29 x 30 mins charge is 870÷60
= 14.5 HOURS!! FORGET IT!!
@@thedudena5525 Well, not really. Your math is really flawed, since you normally charge at home.
It's like having the gas station on your own lawn. No waiting time at all.
We've had our Tesla Model 3 since March and charged outside our home 4-5 times and only during long trips. No waiting time or queue any of these times. The Tesla Superchargers are not that busy, at least not in Sweden, where I live.
Screw ALL of that! Thank you for the great info. I learned a lot from your video.
These charge cables are constantly being dragged on a rough floor surface and exposed to direct sunlight. Eventually they will wear out and become brittle. The companies that operate them will eventually become lax and complacent. Can you imagine the danger they could be on a rainy day? 🌧⚡️ ⛈
Gas station hoses NEVER touch the ground.
Damn thats slow charging. I guess thats why tesla has their own superchargers.
@Grace Sullivan you’re going to damage your car if you let your gas tank sit too long
That just means more dinero in Tesla's pocket.
So you save a few bucks on gas but you miss your kids growing up. "Mommy we haven't seen Daddy in days." "He's out charging the car"
Bahahahahhaha
Great built in excuse for an affair🤔
People think they are saving money on gas but they never account for the higher cost of the car.Electric cars are $8,000 - $15,000 more than a comparable fuel efficient car.They are saving nothing.
@@EDTHEWATERGUY My thoughts exactly, I just didn't want to add too many cons in an electric vehicle. Let's not get into environmentals
@@EDTHEWATERGUY They are also not accounting for the cost of their time.
So if you are retired and have no home duties, no grass to cut, can skip a few meals each week you will definitely have time to high speed charge your electric car. Of course in the winter you may freeze to death or sit in the car with the heater going using more power then you are currently charging. Also depending we’re you are charging you my need to carry protection especially at night. The alternative to that is charging at home and every time you need a charge take😂 2 to 4 days off work. And that’s why I love my GAS guzzling air polluting beast.
The first charging station company that will accept a credit card or debit card without using a specific app will be a winner.
Really envy you people who have so much time to play with your cars.
We have just as much time as gas car owners who stop and fill their gas tanks
😂
Haha....yeah and they have 1hr + travel time to just travel 15 mi distance. I will rather prefer riding horse as it is faster than this nonsense and plus I will not have carbon emission - the reason for which they are selling these cars. I think it is time to go back in stone age...😆😆
@@Reddeadready 1 hour travel time in an electric car is a lot further than 15 miles, dumbass. 1 hour charge time, you can drive 100+ miles, depending on which electric car you drive.
@@bradmagnuson6963 But we dint take ten hours doing it..just saying
Just what you'd expect - the charging realities mirror the foolishness of the entire EV concept as the technology exists. Let's next talk about the huge and higher than gas vehicles carbon footprint created in the manufacturing of these vehicles.
As far as I'm concerned the EV is the most polluting car ever built. Save the planet by buying a small economy car and use E10 fuel.
Yup, the green fraud is alive and well
Shhh! Stop with those pesky facts
@@Orwellwascorrect good one, still giggling
Yep it's not perfect instantly so its useless. That would make all tech useless. Luckily that's not how innovation works. Rural area will get it last but once its efficient (not the huge pain it is not) it will even be more convenient in rural areas.
This is why I think the plug in hybrid is the way to go for the moment, especially if you only have one vehicle and want to travel. The electric is convenient, but power storage and transfer isn't *quite* there yet.
Price will drive people's decisions.
What a mess. Looks like a great way to get mugged, hanging around waiting for your car to charge. And can't imagine the number of unattended cars at the chargers.
This is like pulling into a gas station and filling your tank from a pump with only a very small trickle of gasoline coming from the hose.
Still faster than this electric nonsense!
I was at an awful gas station once where it took me 13 minutes to fill up my car due to the pump being messed up. Granted, I realize this is unusual. The idea of an EV is to be able to plug it in when you get to your destination, for example, if you are going to be shopping for an hour, unless you are in an extremely rural area where you drive a lot the car should get very charged up from there and last you for days.
Actually a pretty good analogy. The question though is would you use that system if that tiny pump was in your driveway?
That equals about one gallon of gas per hour. 15 gallons= 15 hours:(
@@bobjames2423 It's actually less in terms of refilling speed. Don't focus on the speed of filling. Focus on the location. If you have a gas station at home, even a slow one, you can fill up on gas while you sleep, or eat, or other home activities. So, you'd never have to drive anywhere to get gas again. And you can fill up on gas each and every night. Most folks are home 60-80 hours a week. Do you need 60-80 gallons of gas a week? Do you need half that?
When you're talking about hours?! I lose interest...
It makes sense if your city installs charging stations at Malls or large stores and at Sit Down restaurants!
@9Spank9 lol
I lost interest at a charge rate of 17m per hour charge. And all this at an available station. Give me a shout when urs all at IC refuel rates and infrastructure
@@paulredding5864 Can you fill up in your garage like I do?
@9Spank9 What charging station is that? I see most elec charging stations are unused in my area.
That's just FRIGGIN great. Pull up and sit there in 100 degree heat for 3 or 4 or 5 hours. Or sit there while your car gets covered in 10 inches of snow. Sounds like a great idea. I'm old fashioned. I'd rather fill up and be on my way in 5 minutes.
Go to an RV Park
Rent a space for about $30.00 go get a shower and relax maybe be prepared to sleep in your car or tent with cot. Enjoy relaxing for the night and leave fully charged and have a beautiful day just enjoying the Scenery
EV’s seem to be practical as long as they are used for local driving and can be charged in your garage overnight. Taking an EV on a cross country trip would seem to require a lot of planning and calculations. The cost of an EV is also an issue.
I feel certain car companies will eventually invent batteries that will be capable of driving long distances between charges. They will also need to be able to fully charge a battery in 30 minutes or less. Until these problems are fixed EV’s will, IMO, have limited popularity because they aren’t practical for the average person.
that's the idea they want to keep you local
"They" want to keep you in town where you are not a pain to find when it's your time to do whatever they dictate
@@stevenmorris3181 Let's keep in touch you can always find me during the Salty Cracker [RUMBLE] livestreams. Good luck and let the salt flow.
And the longer lasting the battery the more expensive they will get
They suck.
Thanks! you helped me make up my mind. I’m buying a gasoline car, I have a job, not enough time to play with chargers
These cars are not for everyone, but I don't know why he didn't talk about fast charging stations. They are best for mostly commuting and running errands right now if you are near a fast charging station or can charge your car overnight at your home.
Based on my short experience with a plug-in (it’s also a hybrid), the charging system, at least in the US, is not ready for prime-time. I’m sticking with gasoline.
this does look like a lot of faffing about, in the uk all cars after 2035 have to be electric, but to be honest the infrastructure isnt anyone near good enough, in my town there are only 2 plugs that i know about in a town of 100 thousand.
Technology has a long way to go to make this feasible to the masses. I can’t imagine sitting 1 hour at an in use charger to wait another hour to charge my car. Gas for me
IT MAKES ME HAPPY WHEN A SIMPLETON WILL STAND UP AND ADMIT IT.
Great info Tommy. I’m still a gas guy. Although I fly all electric RC Planes for the last 20 years. I have seen this tech move very fast in the RC world. If it could do the same for cars that would be great, however for now I’m still a internal combustion guy.
Thank you very much for this video. I have no doubt I don't want an ev it is painfully obvious that people with ev have a hell of a lot of time to wait around and do nothing. It is absolutely ridiculous to have to go through all of this for a vehicle that obviously costs more than a gas are diesel vehicle. My hats off to you brother. You have the patience of a Saint.
What a mess. They have to make the charging faster and simpler before I buy an EV.
That's probably the biggest deterent along with the price of the car.
Most EV owners charge overnight at home. Even taking 30 minutes to get an 80% charge on the road is ridiculous. As Bill Maher said: "I have a Tesla to drive around Los Angeles. When I go far, I have an Audi." You look at how you intend to drive a BEV and ensure your choice has adequate range to cover that intended use on a daily basis. If my driving needs required charging on the road, I'd get a PHEV. Waiting 30 minutes or more to "fill the tank" (and that assumes the charger is available when you get there) is simply a showstopper.
@@aldeflorio5500 I have a VOLT since August and I'm discovering just that. CHARGERS ARE NOT RELIABLE. Some dont work, some are only during certain hours ( car dealers) and often more than a mile off highways, you make a valid point bro.
who can afford to buy an EV?
they are very expensive toys.
Just get a Tesla and supercharge it. Way faster!
Or you could finally realize that the power that your "little car" is getting comes from hydrocarbons, coal, or nuclear fired plants, and you're not protecting/saving anything.
To say nothing about Li mining.
coal fired powerplants are falling out of favor
nuclear power plants may be the best type of powerplant available ticking all the boxes
renewables are cheap
natural gas and oil fired powerplants are a lot more efficient than any car engine ever manufactured
also i fail to see the disaster in recycled batteries or lithium mining
You're like, 5% right. You've shown awareness of the situation, but improper conclusions.
1. While it's true that our electricity comes from hydrocarbons, it also can come from renewables like solar, wind, and hydroelectric. Not possible to run an internal combustion engine on these.
2. Not all hydrocarbons are created equally, nor are all engines created equally. Yes, natural gas and coal are combustibles and generate CO2 emissions. But they generate less emissions for the same amount of energy, typically. Gasoline is very energy dense in terms of mass and volume, making it an ideal fuel for a machine that has to move around and carry its fuel with it. Generators have the luxury of sitting in one place, and can therefore be powered by bulkier, but cleaner, fuels. Same goes for engine design. There is a speed, at which an engine runs, at which it is most energetically efficient. Some engine designs are more efficient than others. Engines designed to move a vehicle, must be designed in such a way that they can engage a transmission, exert large amounts of torque, and change RPM rapidly. This is not a requirement for generators. These engines can be designed and ran in a such a way so as to generate the largest amount of electricity possible, even if they are lacking in areas like torque and immediate response.
Perhaps the most relatable example I can provide of this is to look at the drastic differences in city and highway mpg. Running a car at highway speeds (lowest rpm in highest gear) is most efficient, but not always possible. But the electricity that powers an EV is created by an engine which spends its entire runtime at "highway speeds" (to oversimplify things); and unlike with ICE vehicle mpg, EV kwh/m is not highly variable with respect to speed and driving style.
3. Nuclear energy is very efficient and emission free. There is the problem of meltdowns and waste, but these problems have pretty predictable solutions. Another drawback of nuclear is that it is very bad for meeting variable demands - these plants must run at full capacity, and can take a day or more to stop and start. The problem of variable demand is alleviated by energy storage - something electric cars alleviate. In the past, the solution to variable demand was to match the reliance on more efficient, but generally slower to respond, sources of energy to the minimum demand, and meet the rest with less efficient but more responsive sources. With the ability of electric cars to store surplus energy, we can increase reliance on these more efficient, less responsive sources, and decrease reliance on the less efficient, more responsive ones.
TL/DR - though what you have said is true, your conclusion is wrong. Electric cars are both cheaper to operate per mile and create fewer emissions per mile.
Given that they lack transmissions and have far fewer moving parts, they also last longer and will in the future enjoy much cheaper maintenance (though, as a relatively new and specialty technology, this effect has not reached its full potential) and decreased depreciation with age/mileage.
It's called an investment into the future, bro. Initial cost eco wise is greater, but over time, it becomes less. Even if you purely used coal plants to charge over time, the EV car will eventually become more friendly for the environment by producing less than what a gas power car would have at some point.
@@cheetamcu644 What's really amazing is that "You environmentalists " can't understand the FACT that climate change is a normal evolution of planet Earth and civilization has absolutely - 0 - (nothing) to do with it. It's been happening since millenia, "ever heard of The Ice Age ) ? Ten years ago all you guys (Al Gore mostly), were spouting that in 5 years we would have glaciers down across the midwest, and it was all caused by humans.. . . such Bulls**t ! After selling only a few electric cars, it's been decided that the batteries are junk, and when they die, there's no where to dispose of them. Stop listening to the drivel, please....
What a PAIN!! Charge at home exclusively if you got one.
There must be standard charger for all cars and not more than 5 minutes charging time. Charging stations must be in all gas stations.
I hope that these charging stations increase and improve in the future. I live in Public Housing where it’s doubtful that a charging station will be placed. Also, having to wait hours for a full charge sounds CRAZY to me. 😑🇺🇸
Your on welfare ! Really do you have 60,000 dollars laying around to purchase an all EV car . Besides chances are someone will wreck it or steal it the first night you go to sleep . Be serious !
@@williamjeffrey1222 Instead of having your gas tank drilled and they steal the $4/gallon gas out of your F150, lol
@@williamjeffrey1222 I live in public housing because I am a disabled veteran. I lost my legs in Iraq. My brother gave me his old Chevy Volt and I saved up for over a year to have hand controls installed. This situation is a reality. Stop being an asshole. You's notions of who lives in public assisted housing are all wrong.
@@eelnoops5200 By the time you get that car ready, your battery will be bad and you will need a new one. Good Luck.
It is really unsafe being somewhere that long in large cities. Especially for our females. I hope our government can make things easier.
Boss: why didn't you come into work?
Me: I had to wait 10 hours for it to charge......
Just don't be a dingus and plug it in the night before.
Wasn't 10 hours was for half a charge?
@@cleaterose5914 less than 30 minutes at a supercharger.
Plug in the car when you get home. Like checking your mail box or feading a pet. Not charging your car, is like staying up watching movies all night, then being too tired work. Recharge your car batteries, when you recharge your brain batteries.
@@cleaterose5914 1/2 charge should get you 100 miles. As long as the round trip to work is less than that distance, you are good. Rent an internal combustion engine car for marathon road trips.
As I say, "If you're not up for the adventure, don't."
My Leaf has been an adventure. I have traveled from Seattle down to Hanford near Bakersfield. I was told I couldn't do it, but I did. Several times I have charged for four hours at RV parks, with the charging station I brought from home.
So many problems with this model of powering a car, and most of them are not even obvious. Here's another one: At that condo complex you were at, it looked like there were two charging stations. Most people would start the charge, then go back inside their home while it was running. What happens when it's finished, but the person doesn't come back out right away to disconnect and "free up" the spot for the next person? People can't even use Laundromats efficiently without leaving their crap in the dryer for 2 hours, dried, before coming to pick it up. Same scenario as with the inconsiderate people who start to fill up their tank at the pump, then wander inside the convenience store for 20 minutes to "shop", thereby blocking the pump from being used by someone else when the fill was complete. There will always be a "human factors" component impacting efficiency and this model just exacerbates it. Sorry.
I want an EV but I need it to be a plug in hybrid that has virtually unlimited range. All charging can be done while I am otherwise occupied, like at my desk working or while I sleep. If I need to extend my range while en route somewhere, the gasoline engine cuts in. No range anxiety. No time wasted waiting to charge.
Good point plus hybrids also charge when braking while running on gas.
I couldn’t live with it, charging on the road is too much of a hassle.
Charging at home or a fast charging station are the only two good options. If you drive too much or don't have a way to get these, I wouldn't yet recommended them. In probably 5 years, the range and speed of public charging stations should increase dramatically. No reason to deal with any extra hassle now.
Cost of charging will exceedingly get expensive
@@WinterRider Tesla superchargers are still $0.25/kwh and can charge at 250kw/h
@@marine2tough that's garbage too ! That price will only skyrocket
@@marine2tough - but the car is 70k and up.. and not everyone wasn't a tesla.. they may want another EV model
I heard a comment on you tube about this. If everyone drove electric vehicles, you could either charge your vehicle or use your home appliances but not both at the same time. Our power grid will not support electric vehicles for everyone.
Plug in hybrids are the perfect compromise until charging gets better.
watched the whole video and you bring up good points and issues about EV charging. they truly need to get all companies standardized and easy to use like filling with gasoline. i don't think the general public wants to fiddle with multiple apps for payment, nor do they want to carry around multiple adaptors for all these charging plug types.
That is why Tesla has a almost monopoly on electric cars in USA. Very fast and easy system.
@@treyhart6861 Just look over the ocean and see the situation in Europe. The EU standardized the CCS Plug which is compatible to the Type 2 Plug which is used for AC charging. Only Nissan stayed using Chademo, all other vendors are using CCS. Even Tesla uses it for the Model 3, Tesla SCs in Europe have both connectors.
@@treyhart6861 Tesla was the first so they had to make their own. Europe did well with CCS after tesla.
@@craig9365 Destination charging at hotels is great.
@@craig9365 Level 2 makes sense at hotels, shopping centers and so on. Again a US problem, your electric system is weak. In Europe nearly everyone got 400V 3-Phase within the household. (11kW)
So Level 2 in Europe is typically 11kW without any issues and this is sufficient for destination charging.
Nobody needs fast charging at the destination, you need many charging ports in parallel to charge the cars while they are parked.
Fast charging with 50kW is established widely in Europe , a net of 150-350kW CCS chargers is actually in construction.
"And its not the reason you think!" I feel like charging is EXACTLY the reason that everyone thinks EVs might suck. For people with no way to charge at work or home, your points make sense. If you can charge somewhere that your car sits for long periods of time anyway, an EV is infinitely more convenient than a gas car and you'll never have to deal with any of this. You just plug it in every day, like you would with your cell phone, and its charged up when you leave. There's like 5 seconds of effort a day and your car is always charged and you don't even have to think about it -- much nicer than having to watch your gas level and actually making a special trip to the gas station to fill up. Level 2 chargers suck and take forever. My home charger charges at 10kW, so its almost twice as fast as the chargers in this video. In a year, I've used superchargers 13 times (almost all on one road trip across the country). Average time at a supercharger for me is 23 minutes (not much longer than you'd stop at a gas station to grab some snacks and use the restroom while re-fueling an ICE on a road trip). The only times I've used level 2 chargers is when I happen to see them at locations I'm going to be at anyway (hospitals or malls) and only if its free. In those cases, its nice to get some free "gas" and its worth dealing with the app. You're going to hate your EV if this is the only way you can charge though.
Dude, if you’re spending 23 minutes at a gas station you’re doing it wrong. Way too inconvenient for me, at this point hybrids are the way to go
@@MrClownWorld Yeah, for people who are on 24/7/365 road trips and have to get to their destination in the shortest time possible, EVs are a little less convenient. For those people, a regular car makes more sense. Most people go on like one road trip a year. A few 23-minute stops vs a few 10-minute stops for one single trip a year is worth not having to ever go to a gas station for the rest of the year. If your family owns two cars you could always take the regular car on the once-a-year road trip to pull off your crazy all-nighter-no-stopping road trip and then just take advantage of the performance, convenience, and efficiency of an EV for the rest of the year. Having to watch your gas tank and look around for the cheapest price and then make a dedicated stop just to refuel every week or two sounds extremely inconvenient to me now that I'm used to driving an EV. But I guess to each their own. I'm hoping you meant to say hybrids are the way to go, since this video isn't about hybrids and nobody was talking about them. I agree that plug-in hybrids are a great option. Best of both worlds. Only down side is added complexity with components from both electric and gas cars in there that can both go bad. If you're buying new, though, that's not much of a concern.
Steve Winslow ahh yes, autocorrect got me. The wife is looking for a new commuter car to replace hers and I’m thinking hybrid. EV seems cool but I can just see too many problems in the future because of her work schedule and her distant commute. I just don’t think the technology is there yet. Plus it’ll be interesting to see what battery chemistry they’ll come up with in the coming years as cobalt and lithium rise in cost.
@@MrClownWorld Is her distant commute more than 300 miles round trip?
For a lot of people it's the cost of the vehicle itself. The prices are going to have to come down a lot more on those vehicles for most working people. When I can get an EV that has a 400 mile range for around 25k then we will see.
when you can charge your electric car in 10 minutes and can then go another 700kms, I'll consider them. Until then I'll continue to burn dinosaurs. I live in Australia.
I’ve just seen the future - some day all parking spaces will charge your car, you’ll almost never have to deal with it at all - phones too, eventually we won’t have to do anything to keep our stuff charged
Thank you for discussing the reality of EVs. I'm sure you'll now be shunned by your fellow EV enthusiasts but your honesty is very refreshing.
Yep, I have never seen these issues talked about on any TV show about EV cars.
Mark Allen, you are right.
@@wms1650 an EV is really only an option when everything you need under normal cercmstances is 5 miles away, don't drive more than 20-30 miles a month, it rarely gets cold, and there's light traffic at worst in the area you live, any other scenario and the EV is useless and in some areas too dangerous to even consider.
@@skarloey2334 Right Skarloey. I live about 120 miles from Little Rock Arkansas. If I drive there I will need to charge before driving back home.
Now Little Rock may have some charging stations but how close will they be or how far out of my way will I have to drive to get to one. Then the charging time of about........
I don't even consider EV as acceptable transportation.
Plus I see the whole made up milage ratio of gas vs electric is a falsehood.
@@wms1650 EV's have extremely limited use, the ability to run indoors being the only real advantage it has over most other fuels, but when we look at say 100+ mile one way trips EV's will fail miserably until charging stations are just as common as gas stations.
and with cold environments EV's loose to everything burning fuel as running defrosters and heat shouldn't have a major effect on the vehicles range unlike an EV.
What he didn’t say is Tesla drivers charge at home or at a Tesla charge stations which are way faster and much cheaper than gas. I don’t think many Tesla drivers use those antiquated slow poke public chargers unless they are stupid.
It takes an hour to charge 16 miles. That has to be the stupidest thing ever.
cmphighpower
😂 WTF 😂 LMAO 😂 OMG 😂
Here almost all public charging stations are atleast 11kW, most of them are 22kW AC + 50kW DC
yeah takes about 3 minutes to fill up my honda civic si. non hybrid. and go 480 miles. I think a hybrid is the best solution to go a little greener.
Might as well ride your bike
still preferring to charge
@Nomad you pick a gas hog like a BMW, fact is a 2022 Lexus ES gets 43mpg, so it would be 7 gallons of gas for 300 miles, or $5 more than charging at $6 a gallon. At current $5.50 gallon price it is only $1.80 more than charging and 500% higher quality than a crap box like a tesla both inside and out, and far more reliable. I just checked PG&E EV plans, EV-A is 56 cents per kWh and EV-B is 60 cents per kWh so more expensive than gas now since it would cost you $40.32 to $43.20 vs $38.50 in gas...all things being equal 99% of people would choose a 2022 Lexus ES to drive vs a cheap plastic Model 3.
Nup, I'll stick to the infernal combustion engine. Seems like a major hassle
I'm right there with you friend, EV is not user friendly I also ❤ my 350z and my future 2nd car either a v8 camero or mustang.
@@anthomore4269
True enjoy your life and don’t listen to these fake climate guys who just do it for money and status
Hopefully within the next ten years or so charging gets more efficient, but until then I think most people will either use just straight gas, or hybrid. I mean having to wait two hours to charge a car, when you can literally fill a tank in a minute and a half at most is just ridiculous.
@@racingfuel28 - Ridiculous? Like the sound of idiots that continue to rail against charging times like they know what they're talking about? Most modern EVs are getting between 250 and 350 miles of range and the average commuter drives well shy of 50 miles per day (like nearly everyone on this planet). Nearly all EV owners can charge at home overnight while they sleep and soon most apartment dwellers will as well. Please tell me how charging times could possibly be an issue for the daily commuter that charges at home? Seriously, take your time and be detailed. I spend only a second plugging in my EV and one second to unplug it. I have nothing else to do while sleeping so charge time is meaningless. I can see how having an EV could be be a small inconvenience on those rare trips of more than 300 miles but how many people do that often enough for it to be an issue? Besides, it takes between 5 and 6 hours to drive 300 miles. After spending up to 6 hours driving why would being able to stop, refuel and be back on the road in 10 minutes be an advantage? Who does that? Why would stopping for 30-45 minutes be a disadvantage? I'd need to be fasting and wearing a diaper to enjoy my ICE refueling advantage. Perspective is important. I do charge every night because I like a full tank every morning but the reality is that I only have to charge once every 10-12 days. So why would simply plugging in every other Sunday night be such a problem? The truth is that ICE owners have no choice but to visit a filthy gasoline station even if simply using their ICE for daily commuting purposes. If ICE owners had a gasoline pump in their driveway they would rarely if ever go to a gasoline station. You really need to consider the application before making such a misinformed comment. As a daily commuter an EV is FAR more convenient. Even for long trips it's only a mild inconvenience.
@@Tron-Jockey talk to me when I can get a full charge in three minutes. Then I’ll consider getting the Ford lightning. Also note. Not everyone can charge at home. We don’t all live in the white Suburbs. Take the time to think before writing an essay.
That seems like an epic pain in the ass. 1 hr charging for 16 miles of driving? No thanks.
Not a problem if you're at work for 8 hours. If you get 25 km of range per hour charging, that's enough time to add 200 km of range.
@@Roxor128 assuming you have an available unused charging plug at work?
@@WV-mx3dr Of course. Any decent boss would have a few power points for charging cars set up in the company car park as an incentive for their employees. Or their own benefit.
Sooo you're a robot
Your life is the same day by day hour by hour
No snow no power outages
No bad neighborhoods
The same job and the sane times
@@Roxor128 you do know that all bosses aren't "decent", right?
Also, tell me where could i ever find a charging station on a construction site since i work in construction?
0% chance of that ever happening
I believe the way many people think of EV charging results in less efficient systems and slows EV adoption. Many people think EVs should be refueled the same way we refuel combustion vehicles, with large public refueling stations in which the user depletes most of the fuel in the vehicle and then go to a public station to refill the vehicle. However, this system would be less efficient for electric vehicles. One of the main benefits of electric vehicles is the ability to charge anywhere with a standard outlet. While many people consider a level 2 charger a necessity, this is not really the case. A standard level 1 charger can provide about five miles per hour from a 120v outlet. Being that the average American travels 40 miles daily, a level 1 charger can fully replenish the battery in the time one sleeps (eight hours). For people with longer commutes, a level 1 charger can be taken to work and plugged in during the workday to gain an additional 40 miles of range assuming an 8-hour workday. Level 1 chargers are usually included with the vehicles and do not use any apps. These can be plugged into any outlet at home or at work.
For longer trips, DC fast chargers can quickly charge a vehicle to capacity, these can be placed along major roadways and interstates to serve long haul travels. These should not be seen as the day-to-day charging methods for EV owners.
I do agree with the wide variety of payment methods being an issue. I do predict that over the coming years that this will be solved. As with many evolving technologies many companies pop up with their own standards of charging trying to capture as much of the market as possible. I imagine we'll see something similar happen with EV chargers are we've seen with the phone chargers of the 2000s and early 2010s, where there were about a dozen chargers that were eventually widdled down to two. If you ask me they will most likely come down to a standard used by tesla and an additional standard used by all manufacturers.
Gotta love our GREEN things, our electric car battery contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminium, steel, and plastic. Inside me are 6,831 individual lithium-ion cells. It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each auto battery like me, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth’s crust for just - one - battery. Did I mention disease and child labour? Here’s why. Sixty-eight percent of the world’s cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?” no, they’re not our kids, anyway, serves them right for being poor,
Definitely this is why I went with a hybrid vehicle instead of an all electric one. I put gas in few minutes and go. The Kia Niro will give me a 52 miles per gallon in the city and 46-48 on the freeway. For me is a benefit of two systems.
That's the way to go. Surprised it isn't mentioned more.
Seems like the hybrid way is the way to go. Infrastructure already there, battery is recharged while driving. The hybrids can be improved to be more efficient.
I have a Honda Accord ICE. I should be good for about 15 years. I haven't seen many EVs or hybrids on the road that long.
What a pain! 🥵
And....you can stand along side in a driving rain/snowstorm waiting for all of this to happen. I'm sure that the charging station has copper in it some where's which means that they will attract thieves who will rip them from there mounts for a tidy profit at the local recycler. What fun!
Basically, I could start a company for people just going around and charge cars at $30/hr
Of course, the company car would be a diesel heavy duty pickup truck ... 'cause, we need to go places, huh ?
To add to the problems outlined here, I’d add 1) charging stations that don’t work; 2) EV owners who keep their car plugged in blocking the charger even after they’re done charging; 3) ICE cars parked in front of chargers. I even once had the fast charger for my car blocked by a guy in another EV who couldn’t use it but seemed to think it was EV parking! I experienced all these problems driving an EV for six years in a very EV-friendly city and state. It’s also not the case that there are chargers everywhere. Matt (aka Smoking Tire) had an I-Pace press car last year and had trouble finding public charging in Venice and Mar Vista a very tech friendly part of L.A. We need to be more green, but I bought an ICE car so I can avoid all this, and not have to stop to charge for hours on road trips.
I know someone with a Tesla. He said the charging stations are poorly maintained, and many times they don't work. He said sometimes you have to wait for hours, just to connect to a charger.
Whose Charging Stations? And where are they (Country, State, Location? Have you reported them? The information would be useful to fellow EV owners/drivers!
@@MorganMadej Jacksonville, Florida area
Electric Vehicles, in reality EV’s are natural gas, coal and nuclear energy powered vehicles. I would bet that most, if not all, EV owners believe that electricity begins at a charging station.
Man I sure can't wait for the good Lord to call upon me.
"Do you think you can live like this?" Your beanie propeller needs to be recharged.
Lol
Dagnabit! My phones not working!
I can't find any charging stations?
If I did can't connect to start charging!
Oh!!,,,,, I just need to go to a Tesla station! Plug and Play,,,,, will charge my charge, to my charge, charging account! 🤩
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The liberals want us to just stay home and not travel around
Most charge at home, overnight, and the Tesla charger puts out twice the power as the ones used here.
"And its not the reason you think!"
ACTUALLY it was the exact reason I thought!
its a time waster, it takes all day to charge.
I'm afraid, Binge Planet, that this situation is far worse graver than super long charging times. You're still using fossil fuels (the majority of times) to charge these cars; using trmendous amounts of energy to mine the rare earth materials to make many of the parts; and there is virtually no one out there prepared to recycle these massive lithium batteries currently. So how in blazes is this a realistic alternative to viably clean up our planet? Trick question. It's not.
Brian Brewster. I personally think you are correct. we do have technology that can solve this, but every one would have to comform to much slower processing speeds. such steam engine, thermopyro engines, and even flinstones powered machines.lol
But i believe that out of electric energy and fossil fuel energy, fossil fuel energy is affecting the atmosphere at a much faster rate. If companies are not ready to dispose of dead batteries at a mass scale its because this alternative energy hasnt been scaled up enough to be profitable for companies. look what we do with depleted nuclear barrels , we found a way because it runs the world, scaled up, comapnies found a way to profit from it.
its definitely a cleaner energy and alternative then radioactive nuclear energy and fossil fuel. wayy better.
but its gonna take for this to be the main trend for companies to scale this up and make it the norm. then the world will experience better atmosphere health.
however, the current cataclysmic weather changes that are occuring, have nothing to do with fossil fuel burning. its actually a disturbance within magnetic fields of the earth. something else more massive is causing this. The sun? the earth core shifting poles? who knows? but fossil fuel isnt the problem. sure its polluting the atmosphere, but it doesnt explain the drastic magnetic displacement that is happening in the earth poles.
@@brianbrewster6532 You'd be surprised how much renewable sources have been added to the grid. My state (Washington) is at 77% renewable, but even conservative Iowa is at 38% wind power.
Then there's the fact that EVs are a lot more efficient, even in the same chassis. My Ford Focus (2014 model) came in an ICE engine and full EV. The first gets 30 MPG, but the EV gets 105 MPGe, so even if you're full coal power (West Virginia is like 90% coal) you have a lower carbon footprint.
As for materials lithium is a lot safer than, say, lead. Recycling is ramping up, but some (like Tesla) are already recycling their batteries. The lithium alone is worth the effort.
@@brianbrewster6532 Coal plants are far more efficient and produce far less CO2 than gas engines in cars. The product of scale is efficiency. Recycling plants will come as the demand for them shows up.
Binge Planet ok I’m sorry but one, fossil fuels. ARE causing global warming. And nuclear energy pollutes a LOT less than fossil fuels do.
At 2 am in a blizzard, this would not be such a good way to refuel your car. Then if the power goes out and it's 30 below zero with huge winds, you are probably frozen.
At 2 am in a blizzard, you can literally plug into the nearest house or business ... you don't need to hunt down a gas station. If the power goes out, you can't pump gas either. You're more likely to run out of gas, because with electric you are literally full EVERY time you leave the house. With gas, you sometimes leave the house with less than a quarter tank.
Why didn't they generate power from The Wheels on the car into a unit that makes it 50 times more powerful to recharge the battery on your car while you're driving your car and then Park in your driveway to recharge on wireless electricity but if they make an engineer the process of recharging your battery using the car you're not going to have to wait to recharge your car is automatically charged so they deliberately made it so you had to charge the battery so they had to charge you for recharging the battery so this is the most unpopular thing we can think of and we don't like it
My Prius self charges like that
Great presentation. I live in Eastern Maine. My closest single and only fast charger is 106 miles to the South. (BTW my Ioniq range is 99 miles in the winter). Also, the cost to fast charge (when or if you can get there), is about $0.61/KWh. So my 28 kW cost was $17.08. So my EV (124 MPGe) really gets less than 17 MPG, compared to a gas car cost, in Maine.
The government and automakers are trying to shove this EV crap down our throats. Thanks for showing us exactly how complicated and unworkable this "wonderful" technology actually is.
"Going green" has replaced religion, its almost a dogma
Ah, you believe Hearsay! One should not believe everything one hears. Do your own research (Due Diligence) and make your own video with facts!
Not to mention the lies that this is cleaner and will save the planet. I have been working on cars for 25 years. I am not saying down the road I would not buy one. But this is already horrible technology. Maybe for someone who is retired and has lots of time and a open wallet to spend. Not to mention waiting every time they need a charge. Hope there is no emergency, they would be out of luck. 'Oh sorry honey, I know your in labor, but I have to wait for the car to charge.'
Follow the Money....... Soros
Thanks for convincing me that I won't be getting an EV. My time is more valuable than spending my day at a charge station.
The electric driven vehicles were popped out before adequate infra structures were established. Something like put the horse carriage in front of the horse, instead of the other way around.
The speed of recharging is the EV's weakest point.
DeadKoby that and the fact that the battery is 13 thousand. Way too expensive. Not for the poor
And cost of owning a vehicle. Even considering all savings from maintenance and not using gas.
it depends, what your car you have and what charging stations you use
Elmo ... nothing beats how fast filling a tank full in a matter of 5 minutes including paying and washing the windshield in the Gasoline Stations, and you’re good to go for another 400 kms or more. You can’t get that in any EV yet.
Vadim Skarzhin the cost of owning an EV is waaaayyyy cheaper than than a gas car though
The electric car manufacturers should be selling two cars for the price of one, so people can drive one while charging the other.
15 minute charge times aren't quick enough?
@@0xsergy they wouldnt be it it were true - which it isnt or that they were all over the place - which they arent.
They sell them at Costco in four car blister packs.
On the road are you going to wait in a snw storm or in 110 degree heat for a charge ?
15 minute charge time???? PLEASEEEEE, do tell me what EV has a 15-min. recharge time to 100% FULL!! I would LOVE to know...
for a start::: NOT EVERYBODY HAS A SMART-PHONE
And the ones that do know just enough to make a phone call
What do you do when someone parks their car at the charging station and leaves it after the car is fully charged?
Wait
At a Tesla fast charger, once the car is full, Tesla starts charging $1 per minute after a 5 minute grace period. Tesla's computers send multiple alerts to the driver's phone as the car nears full, so there's no excuse for getting caught off guard. I don't know if other brands of chargers do anything similar to make sure the car get's moved along once it's done charging.
@@jimmurphy5355 thanks for the answer